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00:00:28currently occupied by Iranian-backed Houthis.
00:01:07Greetings, I hope you are well and happy. After weeks of Houthi attacks on
00:01:11ships, airports, and oil facilities in Saudi Arabia, it was
00:01:15expected that Riyadh's strong reaction would push them back. However, the rapid
00:01:19advance of the Houthis surprised many. The Houthis, who call themselves
00:01:22Ansarullah, first captured the port city of Mocha
00:01:25near the Bab al-Mandeb Strait and the island
00:01:28of Perim in the heart of this strait. A week later, the strategic islands
00:01:32of Hanish al-Kabir and Hanish al-Saghir, about
00:01:35160 kilometers from Bab al-Mandeb, also fell into their hands. In this way,
00:01:39the Houthis expanded their control over one of the most
00:01:42important shipping routes in the world. Bab al-Mandeb
00:01:45connects the Indian Ocean via the Red Sea to the
00:01:49Suez Canal and also to Europe. With the blockade of the Strait of Hormuz
00:01:53during the Iran-US confrontation, the importance of this route for global trade
00:01:57and energy transfer has doubled. At the same time, Mohsen
00:02:00Rezaei, Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council,
00:02:04emphasized on X that there would be no negotiations until
00:02:07Iran's conditions are met by the US. He wrote that the equations
00:02:11related to oil and straits have changed. Scrambling to
00:02:15control the consequences will not stop what is coming.
00:02:18Mohsen Rezaei's reference to the straits is widely
00:02:22interpreted as a reference to Hormuz and Bab al-Mandeb. The Houthi advance
00:02:25in the Red Sea brought them within about 32 kilometers
00:02:29of the country of Djibouti, which also hosts a US
00:02:32military base. However, apparently, US President Donald Trump
00:02:36currently has no intention of direct military intervention.
00:02:39According to Axios, Mohammed bin Salman, the Prime Minister and
00:02:42Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, who is practically the main decision-maker in that
00:02:46country, twice asked US President Donald Trump to prevent
00:02:49the advance of Iranian-backed Houthis towards this vital choke point.
00:02:53But according to this report, Mr. Trump said that he currently
00:02:57has no intention of direct confrontation with the Houthis. In
00:03:01one or two days later, in fact, he said that the Houthis have asked
00:03:04the US not to engage in conflict with them and that they allow
00:03:08most ships to pass. Without naming Saudi Arabia, he said
00:03:12that they are not happy with only one country,
00:03:16and according to Mr. Trump, this issue will also be resolved soon. But
00:03:19how? This is a question that perhaps more than anything
00:03:22else, more than anyone, has worried Mohammed bin Salman.
00:03:26The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia met with
00:03:30Brad Cooper, commander of CENTCOM, US Central Command,
00:03:33yesterday in Jeddah. These developments come as a drone attack
00:03:37disabled Saudi Arabia's east-west pipeline. A pipeline that, after the blockade
00:03:41of the Strait of Hormuz, became the main artery for the country's oil
00:03:45exports. Now two main questions are
00:03:48raised. Will Saudi Arabia activate the Mecca defense pact
00:03:52to confront the Houthis? A pact recently signed
00:03:56between Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Pakistan. And two,
00:03:59with the Houthi takeover of Bab al-Mandeb in Yemen, has
00:04:03a new front been opened in the Iran war?
00:04:06This is the topic of our first round table.
00:04:10We will have an exclusive discussion about this, which we will try
00:04:13to follow up on during the program. But for now, for
00:04:16further analysis, we have Al-Alameh
00:04:19Saleh, an international affairs analyst from Tehran, the capital
00:04:23of Iran, who is live with us.
00:04:26Also Ali Sadrazadeh,
00:04:34a Middle East affairs expert from Athens, Greece. Welcome to the program, gentlemen. Mr. Sadrazadeh, let's start with you, with the same
00:04:37question I posed at the end of my introduction:
00:04:41are we witnessing the opening of a second front,
00:04:45a new front in the US-Iran war, or not?
00:04:49To what extent can current developments
00:04:52be considered a logical continuation of the US-Iran war?
00:04:55دونست
00:04:58It's not a front for the Iran- US war, because as you yourself
00:05:02said, the US does not intend to enter a war with
00:05:05the Houthis. Because the Americans have their own calculations.
00:05:09They are already in a war with Iran. They do not
00:05:13want to enter a second war in the Middle East.
00:05:16Probably public opinion in the US also does not
00:05:19agree with such a thing. That's why he said that the Houthis contacted
00:05:23him. Whether this is true or not
00:05:26is unknown, but this is not
00:05:29a front for the US-Iran
00:05:32war. Undoubtedly,
00:05:34this activity of the Houthis in Bab
00:05:38al-Mandeb benefits the Islamic Republic. And
00:05:42without paying attention to or without
00:05:45the support of the Islamic Republic, the Houthis
00:05:49would not have been able to achieve such a victory,
00:05:52because all observers say that the weapons that came,
00:05:56the training they received from Iran, and so on,
00:05:59all were with the help of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps,
00:06:02and it was with this help that they were able
00:06:06to achieve these successes. Of course,
00:06:10the Houthis also have their own
00:06:12calculations in their actions. That is,
00:06:15internal issues in Yemen
00:06:18play a very big role for the Houthis. Another issue that
00:06:22caused their victory is that the ground force
00:06:25that was supposed to fight them, that is, in the south,
00:06:28this ground force does not have
00:06:31that level of cohesion We'll talk
00:06:35more about its forces, but Mr. Sadrazadeh, regarding
00:06:39whether there is another front in the US- Iran war or not, we see
00:06:43that officials of the Islamic Republic, in their rhetoric, are now bringing
00:06:46up Bab al-Mandeb as part of their issues, including, as I mentioned,
00:06:50Mohsen Rezaei, who is currently the Secretary of the Supreme National
00:06:54Security Council, speaks of straits, which, of course, we interpret
00:06:58as referring to the Straits of Hormuz and Bab al-Mandeb.
00:07:01Is that right?
00:07:05This Bab al-Mandeb Strait also comes to the aid of the Islamic Republic
00:07:08in its war with the US, because in fact,
00:07:12the main goal of the Islamic Republic in this action it is taking
00:07:16in the Strait of Hormuz is to cut
00:07:19off the oil relationship with the world,
00:07:22that is, to plunge the world into an energy crisis
00:07:26so that Donald Trump, under pressure
00:07:29from this crisis, will agree to reach some agreements
00:07:33with Iran.
00:07:35If
00:07:37we also consider Mr. Saleh's opinion, what does
00:07:41he think? Does he really see another war,
00:07:44in fact, another chapter, another season, in the US-Iran war,
00:07:48or not? Basically, the US-Israel war
00:07:52against Iran for changing the geopolitics
00:07:55of the region has begun.
00:07:59They have not achieved their goals. But their main goal
00:08:02was a US-
00:08:05Israeli-centric Middle East after the so-called
00:08:09fall of the regime in Tehran.
00:08:12This did not happen. Instead, it led
00:08:15to Iran and its allied groups
00:08:19in the region changing the military superiority of the US
00:08:23and Israel into a geographical
00:08:26war. This is where geography is used as a weapon,
00:08:29and currently, the events taking place on the western
00:08:33coasts of Yemen, or the capture
00:08:36of the western port cities
00:08:40of Yemen, are certainly something
00:08:42more than military achievements, but rather a change in the geographical
00:08:46balance in this region, which is very
00:08:50strategically important and causes
00:08:52these two straits,
00:08:55Bab al-Mandeb
00:08:57and the Strait of Hormuz, to be able to be used
00:09:01against the US and its allies in
00:09:04the region as a weapon.
00:09:08The importance of controlling
00:09:11the use of these straits, which will be under blockade.
00:09:14For example, if we say Bab al-Mandeb also suffers the same fate
00:09:17as the Strait of Hormuz today, by whom will it be used
00:09:21as a weapon, as a tool against the US?
00:09:25Look, the US and Israel intended
00:09:28to change the geopolitics of the region with a regime change
00:09:32in Tehran. This did not happen. Currently, Iran and
00:09:35its allied groups are trying to use their active
00:09:38geographical deterrence against US
00:09:42pressures.
00:09:45This is the importance of the advances
00:09:48made by the Houthis in the past few days.
00:09:51It's not just control and dominance over Bab al-Mandeb,
00:09:55but it also leads to physical control,
00:09:59which makes it easier to hit what they consider their
00:10:02enemies with very advanced weapons,
00:10:05and they can do this with more control.
00:10:09In addition, the Houthi control
00:10:12over the Red Sea increases,
00:10:16meaning that Saudi Arabia currently has a big problem
00:10:20for oil exports from the only
00:10:22port of Yanbu, which does not
00:10:26use the Strait of Hormuz, in the Red Sea.
00:10:30We must not forget that during the 80-day war, US warships in the Red
00:10:33Sea were attacked by the Houthis. Currently,
00:10:37this can be done much more easily by the Houthis.
00:10:41On the other hand, what has happened allows Tehran to have
00:10:44more diversity in escalating tensions
00:10:47and to put pressure on the US through the Houthis
00:10:51at every opportunity. So that the US cannot use
00:10:55the element of language against Iran. There are many
00:10:58questions about the US, especially after Mr. Trump's
00:11:01remarks, Mr. Sadrazadeh, and as you also mentioned,
00:11:05perhaps at any other time in history, if this blockade
00:11:09happened, the first expectation would be that the US would intervene
00:11:12militarily, because you see that
00:11:15Bab al-Mandeb is in danger, and so is global shipping,
00:11:19and one of the main pipelines for oil transfer
00:11:23and oil exports is actually out of commission, which is Saudi Arabia's
00:11:27east-west pipeline. But what was announced
00:11:30is that he currently has little desire
00:11:33to get involved in this conflict.
00:11:35For what reason? Mr.
00:11:38Sadrazadeh, the reason is what I said.
00:11:42The reason is that
00:11:45Trump is in a war with Iran. A second war
00:11:49that he would have to enter would not be
00:11:52popular with the American public. For this reason, he refrains.
00:11:56In addition, I think
00:11:59the US is right to think that the Houthis
00:12:02are not a clone of the Islamic Republic.
00:12:05The Houthis are different from Hezbollah.
00:12:08The Houthis have their own history. They have
00:12:11their own problems within Yemen. And it's not
00:12:15that whatever the Islamic Republic says, they will accept. If the Islamic Republic
00:12:19makes these calculations that the Houthis will
00:12:22surely accept whatever it says, it is completely mistaken.
00:12:25The Houthis are not Hezbollah, which Iran created
00:12:29for its own purposes. The Houthis have a
00:12:32longer history than even
00:12:35the history of the Islamic Republic itself. And their
00:12:38problem is within Yemen. If
00:12:42the US gives them a green light, or even
00:12:45Saudi Arabia, regarding the issues of Yemen,
00:12:49or the issues that the Houthis have with other groups within Yemen,
00:12:53a light.
00:13:02Please accept that I don't think the Houthis will do whatever is necessary in obedience to the Islamic Republic.
00:13:05During the program, we will return to the issue of how much the Houthis are connected or not connected
00:13:09with the Islamic Republic of Iran. But I want to ask Mr. Saleh the same question I asked you,
00:13:13which is about the US and
00:13:16Saudi Arabia, this rejection by Donald Trump, as reports indicate,
00:13:19twice on Thursday in telephone conversations they had,
00:13:23of Mohammed bin Salman, the Crown Prince.
00:13:55has become a regional confrontation and conflict.
00:13:58The Houthis, by controlling Bab al-Mandeb,
00:14:02have become not just a regional player, but can even
00:14:05become a trans-regional player,
00:14:09by entering into agreements with Russia and China
00:14:13in this regard, which can again be in line
00:14:16with Iran's overall policies in a region
00:14:20where the US has less influence.
00:14:23The US, in this 40-day war, proved that it not only
00:14:27cannot protect its so-called
00:14:31allied countries in the region,
00:14:35but also largely disregards their interests
00:14:39altogether. Currently, Arab countries are paying
00:14:42a very heavy price for an unnecessary war,
00:14:46an optional war that the US and Israel
00:14:50started, and the US's
00:14:53only comfort is that it has created
00:14:56a naval blockade for Iran.
00:15:00This is not considered a strategic gain.
00:15:02All US bases in
00:15:05the region are empty, and the US is largely
00:15:09desperate to get out of a crisis that it and Israel
00:15:12unnecessarily created in this region.
00:15:15Thank you, Mr. Al-Alameh and Mr. Ali Sadrazadeh. I ask
00:15:19you to stay with us. Let's open a parenthesis here and go
00:15:22to a guest. In fact, our own Yemeni
00:15:26عبدالجلیل شائف, a writer, researcher, and
00:15:30political activist from South Yemen,
00:15:33is live with us from Sheffield, England. Hello, Mr. Sha'if.
00:15:37I hope you can hear our voice.
00:15:40امیدوارم صدای ما رو می
00:15:41Yes, Mr. Sha'if, before everything else, I wanted
00:15:45to talk to you about the Houthis themselves, as many expected
00:15:49Saudi Arabia to attack and launch a new military campaign
00:15:53against the Houthis in Yemen, but what we witnessed
00:15:57was the rapid advance of the Houthis towards
00:16:00Bab al-Mandeb. How did this happen,
00:16:03that they made this advance and even captured military equipment
00:16:07that was mostly from Saudi-backed government forces,
00:16:11and now, in fact, it can be said that
00:16:15they have had a great success so far.
00:16:36Yes, I think your description is a correct description.
00:16:39Their rapid progress was definitely a huge
00:16:43miscalculation by Saudi Arabia and any coalition forces
00:16:47led by them. It can be said that the Houthis had been planning
00:16:50this attack for a long time and succeeded
00:16:54in capturing the strategic position
00:16:57in the Bab al-Mandeb Strait.
00:17:01Perim Island and also the port of Mocha. Yes, the clashes
00:17:04are still ongoing. This has caused a humanitarian
00:17:08catastrophe and much suffering among the people
00:17:11of Yemen. But the Houthis have what I call
00:17:15an atomic bomb because they have
00:17:19complete control over the Bab al-Mandeb
00:17:22Strait, and this itself puts
00:17:25them in a very, very strategic
00:17:28position. That is, they will have complete oversight
00:17:32over this strait and can create a major threat
00:17:36to international shipping, especially
00:17:39shipping by the Saudis. The Saudis
00:17:43who are using the Bab al-Mandeb waterway
00:17:45instead of the Strait of Hormuz. This was the way
00:17:49Saudi Arabia could export its oil.
00:17:53Now this issue is in jeopardy. This
00:17:56has a great impact on people living in England now,
00:18:00on the price of gasoline. Therefore,
00:18:03the current situation is a very complex situation, but
00:18:12gives a lot of leverage in negotiations.
00:18:16Is it only the Houthis who have this leverage for future negotiations,
00:18:19or do you think it also gives Iran more
00:18:23bargaining power in negotiations with the US? Can it be said
00:18:26that what has happened in Yemen can be beneficial
00:18:30to the Islamic Republic in its negotiations with the US?
00:18:32Definitely.
00:18:36قطعاً.
00:18:39This is a very, very important point that
00:18:43we can raise. Iran is a great supporter of the Houthis.
00:18:46They have a lot of influence and a lot of connection.
00:18:50They have given very good weapons and technology
00:18:53to the Houthis, especially drone technology, and this
00:18:57in itself is a card that Iran can
00:19:01play. It's not just a card that the Houthis can play;
00:19:04it's Iran's card. This itself is within the framework.
00:19:37do you think Saudi Arabia can respond? Now we see that if
00:19:41you allow me, I will refer to one or two cases where Mohammed bin
00:19:44Salman, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia,
00:19:47requested help from the US and was rejected.
00:19:51Also, as Bloomberg reports, today Saudi Arabia has also
00:19:54requested help from Britain, and now it is not clear
00:19:58what the result will be. What exactly can Saudi Arabia do? What
00:20:02reaction can it show?
00:20:03بده؟
00:20:07I believe that Saudi Arabia miscalculated
00:20:11the entire issue when
00:20:14the internationally recognized government of Yemen
00:20:18was focusing on, for example, the
00:20:21Yemeni National Council, which was weakened in
00:20:24early 2026. This emboldened the Houthis
00:20:28to launch this attack. If Saudi Arabia, with
00:20:32its cooperation with the UAE, had continued
00:20:36to support the Yemeni government, it might have been able
00:20:40to stop the Houthis. But the Saudis
00:20:43miscalculated, they made military
00:20:46miscalculations, and they made political
00:20:50miscalculations. Their support for the Yemeni government
00:20:54was really support for someone who has no
00:20:57influence in Yemen, neither in the north where the Houthis
00:21:01have control, nor in the south where a rebellion is currently underway.
00:21:04That's why Saudi Arabia really
00:21:08put all its eggs in the basket of the Yemeni government. That's why
00:21:12it's time for Saudi Arabia to think
00:21:15a little, to be patient about tactics and strategies.
00:21:19That's why now the US and other
00:21:22countries are perhaps advising Saudi Arabia to create the alliance
00:21:25it had envisioned years ago. And we are also witnessing
00:21:29that due to, or rather, at the initiative of Saudi Arabia, the meeting
00:21:33between Iran and the Persian Gulf Arab countries that was supposed
00:21:37to be held to discuss the fate of the Strait of Hormuz has been
00:21:40postponed. Do you think that now because the reason could be this Houthi advance,
00:21:44if the next meeting is held, the issue of Bab al-Mandeb
00:21:47will probably be on their agenda
00:21:50alongside the issue of the Strait of Hormuz.
00:21:52شد.
00:21:58I think if the Houthis continue their advances in Bab
00:22:02al-Mandeb, undoubtedly
00:22:05this will change the entire game. It will change the political situation,
00:22:09because the Houthis will be in a very, very much stronger position.
00:22:12But the point I want to emphasize is that
00:22:16the division among those who are
00:22:51under Saudi support that has not been able to fight the Houthis properly.
00:22:54بجنگه.
00:23:00In addition to this, you should also look at the humanitarian catastrophe that exists in Yemen.
00:23:04Currently, one of the worst
00:23:07humanitarian disasters in the world is happening in Yemen.
00:23:11This is an issue that can have a great
00:23:14impact on the supply chains
00:23:18that help deliver food and medicine
00:23:22to truly vulnerable people in northern and southern
00:23:25Yemen.
00:23:27Thank you very much. I am grateful to Abd al-Jalil Sha'if,
00:23:30a writer, researcher, and
00:23:34political activist from South Yemen, from Sheffield, England. Thank you very much for
00:23:37your presence, and also I thank Saleh, international affairs
00:23:41from Tehran, and Ali Sadrazadeh, an expert on Middle East issues from
00:23:44Athens, Greece, who spoke with us earlier. And in fact, my impression was
00:23:48that we would return again, but with Mr. Sha'if's remarks, this part
00:23:52of our program has ended. And on Saturday,
00:23:55one of the longest standing ovations in film festival history was recorded:
00:23:5925 minutes of standing ovation for the documentary film "Naza" at the Venice
00:24:02Film Festival. This Israeli documentary won the special jury prize
00:24:06of the festival. The title of the film, "Naza," is an acronym for the Hebrew
00:24:10phrase "Nezik Agbi," meaning collateral damage, referring to
00:24:14potential civilian casualties during an attack on a military
00:24:17target. Yuval Abraham and Rachel
00:24:20Sur, the filmmakers, interviewed 24 Israeli military intelligence officers
00:24:24whose voices and images were altered to remain anonymous.
00:24:27The focus of these interviews was how to determine the number of
00:24:31potential civilian casualties and the use of artificial intelligence
00:24:34or AI in Israeli attacks on Gaza. According to these officers,
00:24:38the acceptable number of civilian casualties for each operation varies
00:24:41depending on the individual targeted and can sometimes reach
00:24:45500 civilians. The Israeli army, after the film's release,
00:24:48announced that it had not planned or approved any attack
00:24:52with the anticipation of 500 civilian deaths.
00:24:54Yuval Abraham and Rachel Sur, two years ago, also,
00:24:58along with two Palestinian filmmakers, won the Oscar for best documentary
00:25:01for "No Other Land" about the expulsion of Palestinians
00:25:05from villages in the occupied West Bank. However, some members of the
00:25:09Israeli cabinet reacted harshly. Miki Zohar, the country's culture
00:25:12minister, said these are hated figures and action will
00:25:16be taken to revoke their citizenship. Itamar Ben-Gvir, the minister
00:25:25Get lost! I am sure Hamas in Gaza will welcome you with open arms.
00:25:29Eyal Zamir, the Chief of Staff of the Israeli
00:25:32Army, also said that the army's lawyers are investigating possible
00:25:36legal action regarding this film and its creators.
00:25:39What could be the reason for such a harsh reaction to a film,
00:25:43to the extent of demanding the revocation of the citizenship of its creators
00:25:46by members of the Israeli government?
00:25:50To discuss this, we have three guests. Reza
00:25:53Parto, a political analyst from Amsterdam, Netherlands,
00:25:57is with us. Meir Javedanfar, an Israeli affairs expert
00:26:01from London, and Yossi Yosian, a former officer in Israeli
00:26:05military intelligence and a political analyst from Jerusalem. Welcome
00:26:08to the program. I wanted to first ask
00:26:12Mr. Yosian what your opinion is on this,
00:26:16that in fact, this reaction to a film, in fact, an artistic work,
00:26:19a work that was so well received at the Venice
00:26:23Film Festival. How normal and ordinary do you find the reaction
00:26:26of Israeli officials?
00:26:29In my opinion, with all due respect,
00:26:33it is not an artistic work at all. That is why
00:26:37the reaction to this film is a non-artistic
00:26:40reaction. In this film, 24 soldiers
00:26:44from Unit 820, the intelligence gathering
00:26:48branch of the Ministry of Intelligence, participated. Now,
00:26:51I myself was in Unit 820 for 15 years,
00:26:55this very unit that gathers intelligence. And regarding
00:26:58this "nezik," which can be said to be the letters "nezik" or
00:27:03its Persian translation, "collateral damage,"
00:27:07I am familiar with this topic.
00:27:10These 24 soldiers who, according to these filmmakers
00:27:14and directors, participated,
00:27:17first of all, they did not give their names or surnames.
00:27:20There is no background information
00:27:24in this regard. Secondly, they are not willing to reveal
00:27:27these 24 people to the army so that they can testify
00:27:31and say what happened. That is, based on the fact
00:27:35that they made a film based on 24 people,
00:27:39and these 24 people also have no name,
00:27:42identity, or family, and they are not willing
00:27:45to give information.
00:27:48If the identity of these 24 people was revealed in the film, it is said that
00:27:52they are Israeli security and intelligence officials.
00:27:54If their identity was revealed, don't
00:27:58you think they could have suffered a worse fate than the fate
00:28:01of the filmmakers?
00:28:13I received my last certificate of appreciation from the President of Israel. I am precisely
00:28:17aware of how these issues operate behind the scenes.
00:28:20If these 24 people were truly telling the truth, there
00:28:24is an organization, an entity, in Unit 820
00:28:28called Debelah Din Ba'alumi, meaning
00:28:31the international
00:28:33judicial unit. There, they can send all this information
00:28:37without even appearing in the film, without giving names or
00:28:41surnames. They did not refer to Unit 820
00:28:44beforehand, nor did they contact Debelah Din Ba'alumi, the international
00:28:48judicial power of Unit 80. This indicates
00:28:51that this issue is not an artistic issue at all,
00:28:55but rather a film with significant political interests. Now, if you
00:28:59allow me, to a few reactions.
00:29:10describes them as war criminals. Avigdor Liberman, former
00:29:14Defense Minister, called the filmmakers enemies of Israel.
00:29:18Naftali Bennett, former Prime Minister,
00:29:22and several others, Abraham and
00:29:25Sur, meaning the filmmakers, were called enemies of Israel.
00:29:28And also other individuals, in fact, there are many reactions,
00:29:32so much so that Ms. Parto, this cannot be ignored,
00:29:35that a film, what content can it have
00:29:39that has upset so many Israeli politicians?
00:29:41Look, as someone who has
00:29:44followed this person's previous work, we should say
00:29:48that he is not.
00:29:50Do you hear my voice? Yes, you mean the film
00:29:53"No Other Land," right? Yes, in the film "No Other Land,"
00:29:57I saw that film. Well, they won the Oscar
00:30:00with another director. That is, in fact, this director
00:30:03had something to say. But on the other hand,
00:30:07I completely understand the anger of Israeli officials
00:30:11and the anger of some Israelis, because, according to these people,
00:30:15this film is a been one aspect, and
00:30:18the other aspect, which is the
00:30:21Hamas terrorist attack on October
00:30:247th, he didn't mention. Well, if we want to talk
00:30:28about a country like Israel, where freedom
00:30:35he, as a filmmaker, can even criticize
00:30:38Israel or criticize the Israeli government or criticize the army,
00:30:41but the Israeli army can
00:30:45also, to the same extent, ask this
00:30:48filmmaker for more explanations regarding the country's
00:30:52security issue. Of course, the Israeli army has
00:30:56not completely denied this issue and has said
00:31:00that the director must provide his evidence.