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00:00:00They received the Oscar along with another director. That is, this director
00:00:03had something to say, but on the other hand,
00:00:06I fully understand the anger of Israeli officials and the anger of a part
00:00:10of the Israeli people who say that this film was
00:00:14one-sided and that it didn't mention
00:00:17the other side, which was the Hamas terrorist attack
00:00:21on October 7th. Well, if we want to talk about a country
00:00:24like Israel, where there is freedom of expression
00:00:28and which is a democratic country, this filmmaker
00:00:32can even criticize Israel or the Israeli government
00:00:35or the army. But the Israeli army
00:00:39can also, to the same extent,
00:00:42ask this filmmaker,
00:00:45as a matter of national security, to provide
00:00:48more explanations. Of course, the Israeli army
00:00:52has not rejected this matter completely and has said
00:00:56that the director must present
00:00:59his evidence. But on the other hand,
00:01:02if we look at it,
00:01:04230 active members
00:01:07of Israeli cinema, I must say, Israeli cinema, like Iranian cinema,
00:01:11is a great cinema, a large artistic community
00:01:14that has something to say, both in Hollywood cinema
00:01:17and in Israeli cinema. Therefore, they have also,
00:01:21with the signature and statement they have issued, demanded
00:01:24that good conditions should be provided for these workers
00:01:28so that they feel secure. I have listened to all
00:01:31the interviews of this director, Mr. Ayal,
00:01:35and he also says at one point, "I love my country
00:01:38and I want to return to my country and I don't feel safe."
00:01:42Well, on the other hand, the narrative
00:01:46he presents is from 24 individuals, but these
00:01:4924 individuals, again, understandable for security reasons,
00:01:53their voices are not there and their images are not there.
00:01:57For that filmmaker, it is understandable, but for Israel, especially
00:02:00for the army, look, after October 7th,
00:02:04Israeli society and the state of Israel came under
00:02:07the spotlight of international countries, and
00:02:10naturally, there is a lot of pressure on it. But the question that
00:02:14is being raised more is about the one-sidedness
00:02:18of the narrative of this story, and whether
00:02:22the attack on Gaza was ordered by the army command
00:02:25for the first time, or whether it was with the attack
00:02:29by the Hamas group on the kibbutzim
00:02:32and that October 7th crime that the Israeli army entered Gaza.
00:02:36Therefore, these questions are raised, and for a country that
00:02:39has the right to freedom of expression, just as a director
00:02:43can make such a film, officials can also
00:02:46ask that director to provide
00:02:50their documents, because they believe
00:02:54that you have pointed out a very important point, a country that has democracy
00:02:57and freedom of expression.
00:03:00People have the right to express completely different and diverse views,
00:03:03in fact. But can the officials' response,
00:03:07instead of asking for an explanation, say that these people
00:03:10should have their citizenship revoked? Mr. Javidan, what is your opinion
00:03:13that this revocation of citizenship is something that not only
00:03:17has been merely talked about, but also the Minister of Culture, Miki Zohar, has said
00:03:21that I have asked the Minister of Interior
00:03:25as well as the Immigration and Population Authority to assess and investigate this
00:03:28and see how these two people can have their citizenship revoked.
00:03:32Is it possible or not? And the matter is taken
00:03:34seriously. Look, with my regards
00:03:38to you and your guests, I don't think that
00:03:42the revocation of Israeli citizenship is almost
00:03:45impossible. I haven't heard
00:03:48that anyone's Israeli citizenship has been revoked
00:03:52for a film. There have been people
00:03:55who spied for foreign countries,
00:03:59like Mr. Mordechai.
00:04:30sources were used. Were these sources reliable? That is also
00:04:33justified. Both sides have the right
00:04:37to do this. But don't forget that we are approaching
00:04:40elections in Israel.
00:04:43On October 27th, don't forget that
00:04:46the Israeli government, this government that has been in power,
00:04:50has been the most disastrous government in the history
00:04:53of Israel. In this same government, in this same Likud party of Mr. Zohar,
00:04:57it was during the time of this party that their president,
00:05:01sorry, their prime minister, Mr. Netanyahu, he was the prime minister on October 7th.
00:05:04We lost 1200 of our citizens in one day,
00:05:08one of the biggest catastrophes in history. they should use it to gain
00:05:31points for these
00:05:34elections. So, these directors can be criticized,
00:05:37but these things they are saying, these elections.
00:05:40These criticisms have been made, or they say they want to revoke
00:05:44their citizenship. These are just really
00:05:48empty words from a failed government.
00:05:51Mr. Yousian, do you agree that revocation of citizenship is not
00:05:55what this filmmaker deserves?
00:05:58The discussion is not about whether the filmmaker has the right or not.
00:06:01Revocation of citizenship is almost
00:06:05impossible in Israel. It's not impossible,
00:06:08it has happened, of course.
00:06:12That is, at the beginning of this year, 2026,
00:06:15two people who were Israeli Arabs or Palestinian-Israelis
00:06:19had their citizenship revoked for the crime or accusation
00:06:23that they were involved in attacking Israeli citizens. This happened.
00:06:27That's exactly why I said it's almost impossible.
00:06:30They were terrorists who intended to carry out bombings
00:06:34against Israel's national interests
00:06:37and commit acts of terror. There have been instances, but
00:06:40one could say that it almost wants to. The fact that there are two examples
00:06:43does not provide proof for the whole.
00:06:47Many Arabs have not had their citizenship revoked, or as it was said,
00:06:51the killer of Mr. Yitzhak Rabin did not have his citizenship revoked.
00:06:55I mentioned it last month.
00:06:59I mentioned that it was at the beginning of this current calendar year. Don't you think
00:07:02that this could be the beginning of a trend,
00:07:05a tendency, that from now on, individuals who, for example,
00:07:08disagree with the government's point of view or, in fact,
00:07:12the government's political inclinations, will gradually
00:07:16be subjected to citizenship revocation?
00:07:20If you ask my opinion, a law should be established
00:07:23in Israel, officially
00:07:27in the Israeli parliament, that individuals who make such
00:07:30claims can be subject to disciplinary action
00:07:34by legal authorities if they cannot prove their claims.
00:07:38That is, in my opinion, Behrouz Yousian.
00:07:42This law should be enacted in Israel so that such
00:07:46individuals, if they cannot prove their claims,
00:07:49should be convicted and go to prison, because when
00:07:5324 people, according to
00:07:55his claims, these filmmakers
00:07:58you bring, who say 8200, based on
00:08:02what they say, you don't mention names, you don't mention surnames,
00:08:06you haven't referred to the army legally,
00:08:09you haven't made any claims that you are willing
00:08:13to cooperate and align with the Israeli army.
00:08:16You are only doing defamation. This is not right.
00:08:19If there are really such things and you have made such a claim,
00:08:23you must be able to officially
00:08:26prove it. If you cannot prove it, then you had no right
00:08:29to make such a film. That's why
00:08:33the issue of revocation of citizenship
00:08:36is currently considered almost illegal.
00:08:40But if you ask Behrouz Yousian,
00:08:43exactly laws must be enacted
00:08:45that if the country of Israel is accused
00:08:49of such claims, they must prove it,
00:08:53and if they cannot prove it, they must face legal proceedings.
00:08:56According to the amendments made in 2023, three years ago,
00:09:00Israeli laws have indeed changed, and as I said, we have seen
00:09:04revocation of citizenship, and it is said that individuals accused of treason
00:09:08against Israel or terrorism can be subject to this.
00:09:12Ms. Parto, what is your opinion? Don't you think
00:09:15that this could be the beginning of a trend
00:09:19that becomes more widespread, and individuals who are considered
00:09:22politically dissident, who have different views,
00:09:26will face revocation of citizenship? Look,
00:09:29you have exactly pointed out a very good point.
00:09:32Look, you have exactly pointed out a very good point. If I'm not
00:09:35mistaken, in February 2023, even the Israeli Knesset
00:09:39passed a law stating that if a person's accusations
00:09:44are, in fact,
00:09:45espionage and also
00:09:50terrorism, then it is considered a crime. But here, considering that this person
00:09:54is an artist, he can create,
00:09:58he can criticize,
00:10:01has freedom of speech. Therefore, the claim of the Minister
00:10:05of Culture to revoke his citizenship is, in my opinion,
00:10:09a great overreaction. On the other
00:10:12hand, as a filmmaker,
00:10:16when he has made a film, he also has facts,
00:10:19including 24 people
00:10:22he talks to on a rooftop in Tel Aviv,
00:10:25meaning there are people, well, for security reasons,
00:10:29it is completely natural that their faces are not seen.
00:10:32The Israeli army also has the right to pursue it,
00:10:36given the laws in the army. Look, if
00:10:40I'm not mistaken, during the 12-day war and even after
00:10:43the Hamas terrorist attacks on October 7th, some
00:10:47issues were raised on social media. If people came
00:10:51and, in fact, praised the attacks
00:10:55of Hamas, which, if I'm not mistaken, 3 people were arrested
00:10:58in the West Bank, and even people accused
00:11:02of espionage, well, all
00:11:05of this is part of, I can say,
00:11:08the social conditions of Israel. Let's not forget
00:11:11that we are approaching the anniversary of the brutal
00:11:15October 7th attack. On the other hand, when
00:11:18230 filmmakers come and are worried
00:11:22and say that this person's security must be provided,
00:11:25well, this is also completely natural, and I believe
00:11:29that based on this issue, here, with this film, there is no talk of
00:11:33treason, no talk of a terrorist attack. In fact, this person says
00:11:37that I have evidence that I can present, and I even said at the beginning
00:11:40that the Israeli army has not denied this issue. The Israeli army has said
00:11:44that it must be investigated with evidence. That's right.
00:11:47I wanted to mention that the issue we see in
00:11:51the film "Collateral Damage" is not new. That is, we have read and heard
00:11:55many times from reporters
00:11:58from all over the world that it is said that
00:12:01Israel uses artificial intelligence in the Israeli army
00:12:05to identify its victims, and it is said that, in fact,
00:12:09this estimated number of collateral casualties
00:12:12is also taken into account, so that to achieve
00:12:15one of their very important goals, a few more deaths are acceptable.
00:12:19Mr. Javidanfar, in fact, the statements made there
00:12:22are much more precise. They have provided figures
00:12:26and said that up to 500 people are considered civilians,
00:12:29who are considered collateral damage. They have accepted this.
00:12:33But the very essence of this issue is raised, and even international
00:12:37reporters or international judicial bodies
00:12:39have accused Israel of ethnic genocide
00:12:43in Gaza. That's right.
00:12:46Look, this is an issue that needs to be reviewed. What is genocide?
00:12:50Genocide is something like the Holocaust, where thousands
00:12:54were brought into gas chambers and killed with gas,
00:12:57or Hitler's army, for example, where hundreds
00:13:01of thousands of people were killed by Group A, Einsatzgruppen,
00:13:04a unit of the Nazi army. This is what the Holocaust was.
00:13:07The idea that Israel came
00:13:10and intentionally gathered civilians
00:13:13in one place and intended
00:13:16and planned from the beginning to only kill
00:13:20a large number of people, to kill a generation,
00:13:23to target a very large number of civilians
00:13:26because they were civilians, and to kill them,
00:13:30there is no such thing. What we know,
00:13:34Hamas itself has said that 70,000 people have been killed in this war. But what
00:13:38Hamas does not say,
00:13:40sorry, more than 74,000
00:13:44Hamas said, yes, 74. What it doesn't say is that at least half of them
00:13:48were Hamas soldiers or, as we call them, Hamas terrorists.
00:13:51Someone who wants to commit genocide, to commit
00:13:55genocide, does not make a phone call and tell people to evacuate
00:13:59an area. Anyway, Mr. Javidan, more than 74,000
00:14:02people, the vast majority of them cannot be only Hamas members.
00:14:06That's right, but it has become a very large force. I said such a thing,
00:14:10I didn't say such a thing, Mr. Rajabi, but you also cannot say that
00:14:13it is possible to fight in an area
00:14:16like Gaza, a very densely populated area
00:14:20where so many civilians live, and there would be no civilian
00:14:23casualties. You can't say such a thing. When Hamas has built 400
00:14:27kilometers of tunnels, but it doesn't let the people of Gaza take
00:14:31refuge there. My point is that if we look at history,
00:14:34at contemporary history, for example, in Srebrenica, about 8,000
00:14:38people were killed, and it was officially called genocide.
00:14:41And in Gaza, in a short period of time, 74,000,
00:14:44excuse me, but they were taken and held
00:14:47in a camp, and genocide happened there. What happened
00:14:51in Israel were battles where Hamas used its own people
00:14:55as human shields. Israel tried
00:14:58to keep the number of casualties low. As I said,
00:15:02they would call in some cases
00:15:06and in some cases they would tell people to evacuate the area. But
00:15:10when you exchange fire and civilians are sometimes
00:15:14there, and sometimes Hamas uses them as human shields,
00:15:17it's almost impossible for no civilian to be killed.
00:15:21I'm not saying no civilians were killed.
00:15:25But this was part of the war, not
00:15:29a genocide plan. As far as I understand at this point in the program,
00:15:33your views, even though you look at them from different perspectives, are largely
00:15:36similar. Can it be said that in
00:15:39Israeli society, Mr. Yousian,
00:15:42these views expressed here, especially your view, are the dominant
00:15:46view? Do the majority hold this opinion?
00:15:49What opinions? Three or four opinions
00:15:53were raised in your questions. The one that says
00:15:56no genocide occurred in the Gaza
00:15:58war.
00:16:01The dominant view in Israel is that no genocide
00:16:04has occurred in Gaza. Yes.
00:16:07A very high percentage of Israeli Jews do not accept
00:16:11such a claim and still
00:16:13believe, even if they compare it with other historical events,
00:16:17that what happened in Gaza is not genocide.
00:16:20This comparison of the issue
00:16:23is unfair because the situation is different.
00:16:26I am saying again, as someone who
00:16:30was in the army for 15 years, in the 8200 intelligence unit,
00:16:34and aware of collateral damage, I am exactly
00:16:37aware of how it is.
00:16:41I will give you an example. Mr.
00:16:43Feiglin, the head of the Zehut party, who is expected
00:16:46to participate in the current elections, his grandson, who was a soldier,
00:16:50was killed in Gaza. Mr. Eisenkot, who is a strong
00:16:53rival of Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu, his own son
00:16:57was killed in Gaza, precisely because
00:17:01the Hague, or the International Criminal Court, due to
00:17:04the Israeli army, in order to
00:17:08minimize collateral damage in Gaza,
00:17:11had not allowed the Israeli air force
00:17:15to bomb, and said that ground forces should
00:17:18enter Gaza. That is, the grandson of one of the leaders
00:17:22of the Israeli party and the son of another
00:17:25leader of the Israeli party were killed in Gaza
00:17:28because they wanted to reduce
00:17:31collateral damage for Palestinians.
00:17:34I am precisely aware of these issues
00:17:38behind the scenes, how the Israeli army,
00:17:42the Israeli air force operates, how 8200 operates.
00:17:45This issue is completely different from
00:17:48issues elsewhere where they set up camps
00:17:51or, for example,
00:17:54intentionally gather ethnic and national
00:17:57groups in a concentrated area
00:18:00and then kill them. It's very different.
00:18:04A very
00:18:06prominent example between public opinion, which you correctly
00:18:10pointed out, is closer to your view in Israel,
00:18:14and public opinion in different parts of the world, especially in Western countries.
00:18:17There is a huge contradiction and difference, and the view
00:18:21of the International Criminal Court, please let me answer. Please allow me for a moment
00:18:24to finish my point. The International Criminal Court also says
00:18:28that genocide occurred in the Gaza war.
00:18:32Don't you think that such a stance puts Israel
00:18:35in an international bind? When the majority are saying that this happened,
00:18:39and Israel says it didn't happen. Your question
00:18:43is excellent. This stance does not
00:18:46put Israel in a bind. Israel is a different
00:18:49matter, which unfortunately I have always said in Israel,
00:18:53and I have always emphasized in 8200
00:18:57that the state of Israel is failing
00:19:00in explaining its national positions
00:19:03to the West, whether in Arabic,
00:19:06Persian, or English. I am saying this very clearly.
00:19:10The state of Israel is a country that does not lack
00:19:13technology, does not lack financial
00:19:16capital, does not lack human capital,
00:19:20but it has not yet launched a satellite in three
00:19:23languages—Arabic, English, and Persian—that
00:19:26can clearly explain your questions to the world.
00:19:30It is a very failed country that has never
00:19:33invested in explaining its national positions. Never.
00:19:43or collateral damage, or how the International
00:19:47Criminal Court operates in Israel. Time is very short.
00:19:50Please let Ms. Parto also speak now. What is your opinion?
00:19:54Please. Look, allow me to say something
00:19:57as a journalist who was present at all
00:20:01the scenes of October 7th, and even participated in the war and reported
00:20:05on it. I must say that,
00:20:08even if we want to look at this issue conventionally,
00:20:12this artist has told a story one-sidedly,
00:20:16whereas I am saying that we are approaching October 7th, and it is very sad
00:20:19that we heard the message of the hostages on Israeli
00:20:23media. We heard the message of families who lost their children
00:20:27and say, "Where was the place
00:20:30of our children, or the voices of our children, in your documentary?"
00:20:34The fact that he brought people to speak
00:20:37is the natural right of the director. Since we are really approaching the end of the program,
00:20:41Ms. Parto, do you think that these
00:20:45filmmakers, we know that last time, last year, when they made a film
00:20:48that you mentioned, they faced various threats, threats to their lives,
00:20:52and could not return to their homes.
00:20:55With this reaction they are now receiving from government officials
00:20:58today and yesterday, do you think their lives
00:21:02are not threatened if they return to Israel?
00:21:06Someone who thinks this way can live in Israel. Look, these threats
00:21:09exist, just as the Minister of Culture also has the freedom
00:21:13to express his anger, even out of rage.
00:21:16But I don't think Israel is a democratic country.
00:21:56Thank you very much, Mr. Javidanfar, Reza Parto, and
00:22:00Behrouz Yousian. Thank you for your presence on the show. I am grateful to you
00:22:03for being with us. I hope to see you on Thursday. Until then, farewell. Goodbye.
00:24:26Imprisonment in war, the struggle for survival in Qezel Hesar
00:24:29prison. Soheil Arabi's account of
00:24:32Qezel Hesar prison in Karaj. In a place where
00:24:36the Prisons Organization calls it the educational
00:24:39ward, Hall 35, Unit 3 of Qezel Hesar detention center.
00:24:43Next to me, several young people born in the second half
00:24:47of the 1980s are sitting. Less than 20 years old. They move
00:24:51their necks up and down and left and right. They practice
00:24:54so that their neck muscles are ready
00:24:57for the noose. With a lump in their throat and sadness, they say:
00:25:01"We want to prepare our necks for the gallows."
00:25:04Here, the smell of death is so heavy that when the ground shakes
00:25:07from explosions and the passage of American or Israeli fighter jets,
00:25:11and the windowpanes fall, no one is
00:25:15afraid. Many cheer and celebrate.
00:25:19Sometimes, if there is no sound of fighter jets and explosions
00:25:22for more than a day, many prisoners and even some prison staff
00:25:26become sad. This is Iran.
00:25:28Soheil Arabi's letter, a copy
00:25:32of which was published by the human rights news agency HRANA,
00:25:36paints a shocking picture of prisoners
00:25:39sentenced to death and of the atmosphere, which he calls
00:25:43death-oriented, dominating the ward.
00:25:46He talks about how guards wake prisoners up in the middle of the night and ask
00:25:50if they have written their will or not,
00:25:53and prisoners who have returned from court and received
00:25:57death sentences, and their cellmates fear
00:26:00a similar fate. A while ago, Saeed Madani,
00:26:04a sociologist and former political prisoner,
00:26:07in a recent interview with Panorama, spoke
00:26:11about the issuance of death sentences for a number of protesters
00:26:14and a process in which defendants were denied
00:26:17effective access to lawyers and other basic rights
00:26:21to due process. The case,
00:26:25called the Biglari case, in which 7 people
00:26:28until the execution of the sentence.
00:26:38Four of them were executed less than 3 months
00:26:41later.
00:26:44In this so-called 3-month
00:26:47period, neither were there any visits
00:26:50nor, so to speak, were contacts
00:26:54allowed in the security wards.
00:26:57What was the charge, Dr., in that program? The charge was being present in
00:27:01the Dimah protests.
00:27:26solely for throwing stones from
00:27:28the roof towards officers from five meters away.
00:27:32In this case, five people were together, and four
00:27:36of them were sentenced to death.
00:27:38میشن.
00:27:41At the court hearing when they were convicted,
00:27:45at the court hearing that was to be held,
00:27:48out of 5 people, 3 did not even have
00:27:51court-appointed lawyers. The other two had court-appointed lawyers,
00:27:55and 3 people received death sentences without lawyers
00:27:58in court. Soheil Arabi says
00:28:01that psychological operations in Iranian prisons, especially in places
00:28:04like Qezel Hesar, are part of the structure and strategy
00:28:08of repression. Barakatollah, while cleaning,
00:28:11placed the trash can in front of our cell. A red
00:28:15to orange colored can. I and my cellmates took turns
00:28:19standing in front of the cell door and staring at this can,
00:28:23because it had been a long time since we had seen fresh color.
00:28:27Our 12-meter cell does not have enough light. A window
00:28:30of about 50 by 60 meters above the toilet, which is
00:28:34blinded by a perforated iron sheet. We
00:28:37only receive light from those 3-millimeter openings on the window
00:28:41and cell vent, and a 50-watt bulb that is on 24/7.
00:28:45Putting together the two accounts
00:28:48of Saeed Madani and Soheil Arabi raises
00:28:51serious questions about the state of justice,
00:28:55prison conditions, and the judicial system's
00:28:58view of the Islamic Republic regarding the death
00:29:02penalty. The narratives coming out of
00:29:05courts and prisons are not just descriptions of a few
00:29:09cases, or a few wards in prisons.
00:29:13They are a picture of the fate of human beings who, between arrest
00:29:17and sentencing, and while awaiting execution, face
00:29:20anxiety, isolation, and uncertainty.
00:29:24The issue is not just the number of death sentences. The issue is
00:29:27the right to life, the right to a fair trial,
00:29:31and the responsibility of the government towards the lives and
00:29:34dignity of human beings in prison. A process
00:29:38whose continuation, according to experts, highlights
00:29:41the necessity of transparency, independent access to the situation
00:29:44of prisoners, and the cessation of death sentences
00:29:48more than ever. Maryam Afshang,
00:29:51BBC.
00:30:35From trade with Russia to transactions with cryptocurrencies,
00:30:39how much can Iran, by relying on alternative financial channels,
00:30:43reduce the economic and livelihood pressures of sanctions?
00:30:47بکاهد؟
00:30:50A 100% increase in the price of unsubsidized
00:30:53gasoline in Iran. Will this decision lead to a decrease
00:30:56in consumption?