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00:00:00And now he has gone for
00:00:03a diesel deal with Russia, but the reaction we
00:00:06see from serious Republican figures like
00:00:10even the representative Senator of Nebraska
00:00:13at the moment is that this response, meaning an agreement with
00:00:16Russia, is the wrong response to the diesel problem in America,
00:00:20and Mr. Trump, if he
00:00:23wants to solve the fuel problem with Russia,
00:00:26it should be after the end of the Ukraine war and he should
00:00:30not strengthen the Ukrainian war machine
00:00:33with this action. This is the position we hear from Mr.
00:00:37Trump's party members. Pourzayyahi, our correspondent in Washington, thank you.
00:00:41Oleksiy
00:00:44Honcharenko, member of the Ukrainian parliament and head
00:00:47of the Committee on Migration and Refugees in the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of
00:00:51Europe, is with us from Ukraine. Welcome to the program, Mr.
00:00:54Honcharenko. First, I wanted to ask you about
00:00:58this.
00:01:18We will have elections ahead, and it is very likely that we will
00:01:21have a new president, but all
00:01:25of this will be after the end of the war,
00:01:28because in the current situation.
00:02:30He must present this to us
00:02:33and unveil it.
00:02:37Recently, the Ukrainians have been in contact with Vitekov and Jared Kushner
00:02:40regarding the peace
00:02:43process, and if President Trump
00:02:46sees a problem, he should tell President Zelensky
00:02:50what their conditions are and what the peace
00:02:54conditions are, and at
00:02:57this point, it seems that Russia does not want to end the war. Mr.
00:03:01Trump says that Ukrainians should not
00:03:04have attacked Russian oil or
00:03:08diesel facilities because attacking
00:03:11them also harms America because America
00:03:15wants fuel prices to be low due to the war with Iran.
00:03:19Why didn't the Ukrainians
00:03:22listen to Mr. Trump, meaning that they
00:03:26should consider other targets to attack?
00:04:14energy. Yes, it is possible that Ukraine would want
00:04:18to stop these attacks, but in return,
00:04:21Russia must promise that
00:04:23it
00:04:26will not damage Ukraine's important infrastructure
00:04:30and facilities. The world needs Russian oil as
00:04:34much as it needs Ukrainian grain. If they
00:04:37promise not to attack
00:04:40Ukrainian ports, then
00:04:44there is an agreement
00:04:47that is both probable and reasonable and can be implemented.
00:04:51When Russia attacked Ukraine, many thought
00:04:55that Ukraine would fall in 48 hours or in a week,
00:04:59but now, for several years, Ukraine has been
00:05:02resisting with very fierce
00:05:05resistance.
00:05:08But if Ukraine wants to reach peace with Russia, what
00:05:12concession?
00:05:28We are ready to end the war within
00:05:31these current borders,
00:05:34which means that some of these territories are currently
00:05:38under Russian control, but we will not
00:05:42recognize them as Russian territory.
00:05:45Rather, these will be occupied territories.
00:05:49Well, this is one of Ukraine's retreats,
00:05:53and there are other issues as well, such as Ukraine not
00:05:56joining the NATO alliance, which seems
00:06:00reasonable. But in return,
00:06:03Russia must
00:06:07make other promises.
00:06:10For example, other promises that
00:06:42a segment of the wars between Iran and Greece in ancient times has caused controversy
00:06:46inside and outside Iran. Mr. Rubio said these things
00:06:49on Wednesday during his trip to Greece. First, let's hear parts of
00:06:53his words
00:06:54together.
00:06:59480 years before Christ, the forces of Xerxes entered this
00:07:03city and set its shelters on fire. Most
00:07:06Athenians had by then left there by ship and gone to the nearby
00:07:10island. But a handful of people refused
00:07:14to leave their city. Therefore, they built
00:07:18shelters for themselves in the stone fortress of the Acropolis
00:07:21to fight in an extraordinary last stand.
00:07:25They threw huge stones from the cliffs at the
00:07:29Iranian invaders and stopped the largest empire
00:07:32of that era for a few days. But eventually, they were defeated.
00:07:36The Iranians plundered the temples. They
00:07:39burned the shrines and razed the Acropolis to the ground.
00:08:12These institutions and ideas reflected more fundamental
00:08:15characteristics that we have seen in ancient Greeks,
00:08:19characteristics that cannot be reduced to a specific
00:08:23political system or
00:08:24theory.
00:08:29That was Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, in front of the Parthenon temple.
00:08:33However, in Iran, officials of the Islamic Republic reacted
00:08:37to his statements. Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, Speaker of Parliament
00:08:41and senior negotiator of the government with the Trump administration,
00:08:44said that the confrontation between the US and Iran will ultimately
00:08:47lead to defeat and Washington kneeling
00:08:51before Tehran. Another senior official who
00:08:55attacked the US Secretary of State is Mohsen Rezaei, Secretary of the Supreme
00:08:58National Security Council. He also warned that America
00:09:02will be the loser of the war with Iran. Several newspapers
00:09:05also dedicated their front pages to this news.
00:09:09For example, Farhikhtegan newspaper, affiliated with the Azad
00:09:12University, claimed that the current rulers of Iran, like
00:09:16Shapur I Sassanid, who conquered Valerian, the Roman
00:09:19emperor, and his army, will force America
00:09:23to surrender. Vatan-e Emrooz newspaper also
00:09:26described Marco Rubio's statements as an attempt to persuade
00:09:29Europeans to join America in the war with Iran.
00:09:33The US Secretary of State's remarks have also sparked widespread reactions
00:09:37on social media. Touraj
00:09:40Daryaee, head of the center
00:09:47for culture at the University of California, Irvine, is with us. Mr.
00:09:50Daryaee, as a historian and
00:09:53as someone who has closely followed
00:09:57these issues, what was your impression when
00:10:01you heard Mr. Rubio's words?
00:10:04I would say that my impression is that
00:10:07it is not the first time that politicians, by
00:10:10using history, try to establish
00:10:14a new perspective or their
00:10:17own words.
00:10:20It is clearly obvious that America and Israel are at war with Iran.
00:10:23Mr. Rubio,
00:10:27where Xerxes and the Iranian army went and burned
00:10:31that place, they talk about the migration of
00:10:34Islam and Iranians
00:10:37within this story, and in fact, they tie
00:10:41these issues together
00:10:43with ancient history.
00:10:46Can the Islamic Republic really be linked
00:10:49to, let's say,
00:10:52the ancient Persian Empire? And then
00:10:56infer that the same war, the same
00:10:59good and evil, and the same
00:11:02conflict has been resurrected
00:11:05now? You really can't. These are, after all,
00:11:08different periods of history. But we must
00:11:12remember that in the Western view, this
00:11:15East-centric or Orientalist view has always existed.
00:11:19That is, it views the East as a society that never
00:11:23changes. It imagines them as being the same as
00:11:27they were, and when you have this Orientalist view,
00:11:31you can easily exploit past history
00:11:34for your
00:11:38own purposes. Mr.
00:11:40Rubio also said elsewhere that Western civilization is actually on the verge of destruction,
00:11:44and we must come to our senses.
00:11:48What does this mean? Does he want to say that, for example,
00:11:51Iran is part of that same
00:11:55Eastern civilization that has risen again and may,
00:11:58for example, destroy the
00:12:01new civilization? Yes, I think
00:12:04there are several issues. One is the issue of non-Europeans
00:12:08migrating to Europe
00:12:10and now to America. This is one issue, but in addition to that, it is
00:12:14not without reason that they went to the Acropolis, a place that the Iranians
00:12:17occupied and conquered
00:12:20480 BC, because the Ionians
00:12:24in
00:12:55civilizations came up, and it created a lot of discussion. Then the reformist
00:12:59president of Iran raised the dialogue of civilizations
00:13:02at that time. Now you are seeing a
00:13:05trend again where some people want to say
00:13:09that the clash of civilizations has become a reality
00:13:12and
00:13:15that this is truly a conflict and a civilizational
00:13:18battlefield. I think we are exactly
00:13:21hearing the story or narrative of Mr. S.
00:13:55who, in fact, built a global empire.
00:13:58The issue of East and West did not exist in the past, and this
00:14:02is because of either ignorance or not knowing Mr.
00:14:06Rubios, who is using a different narrative.
00:14:09You said that Mr. Rubio's ignorance
00:14:12has actually deeply affected Iranian nationalists,
00:14:16those who are devoted to ancient Iran. And
00:14:20isn't it possible that, in an unintended way,
00:14:23it actually serves the interests of the Islamic Republic
00:14:26and the Iranian government, to exploit these kinds of statements
00:14:30and interpretations for its own benefit?
00:14:33This incorrect interpretation by
00:14:37Mr. Rubio makes Iranians feel provoked,
00:14:41and the patriotic, nationalistic sentiment of the Islamic
00:14:44Republic, because of its own positions,
00:14:47all of these things come together. That is, the signal
00:14:51is, "Look, these Westerners, at the end of the
00:14:55day, they see us as the same old enemies."
00:14:58And then, how difficult it is for those who are aware
00:15:02of what the Islamic Republic is doing and the nature
00:15:05of that government, and
00:15:08who also have some agreement, for example, with
00:15:12Mr. Trump's government, his view of history,
00:15:15culture, and even the modern world today.
00:15:18Yes, two mistakes do not make something
00:15:22right, and we must, as those who are
00:15:26just here, be able to pay attention. We must point
00:15:29out the dangers and mistakes of both sides, but
00:15:33now the issue is the issue of Iran's
00:15:36survival, and the fact that it has been
00:15:39bombed for a year makes it much
00:15:43more difficult for us to say now
00:15:46how the sins of this side
00:15:48compare to the sins of
00:16:04have again attacked Riyadh's King Khalid International Airport with missiles.
00:16:08Hospital sources say that dozens were injured in the attack,
00:16:11and five Saudi citizens were admitted to
00:16:15intensive care. Etihad and
00:16:18Qatar Airways canceled their scheduled flights
00:16:22to Riyadh for Sunday and Monday. Meanwhile,
00:16:26Saudi Arabia says it has bombed more than 130
00:16:29Houthi positions in Yemen. Saudi officials say the goal is to eliminate
00:16:33the Houthis' ability to fire ballistic
00:16:37missiles. Kasra Naji reports.
00:16:38دهند
00:16:44King Khalid International Airport in Riyadh was
00:16:46attacked by Houthi missiles on
00:16:50Thursday. Saudi Arabia says three people were killed in these attacks,
00:16:53including a Saudi Arabian Airlines
00:16:57pilot, whose plane was also hit here.
00:17:00At least two Houthi ballistic
00:17:04missiles landed here in this attack,
00:17:07which is the second attack on this airport in recent
00:17:11weeks. Several airlines, including Air India
00:17:14and Lufthansa, have suspended their flights
00:17:18here.
00:17:21In response, Saudi Arabia has launched extensive
00:17:25airstrikes against the Houthis. It says that in order to eliminate
00:17:29the threat of their ballistic missiles, which in the recent
00:17:32attack on Riyadh came from about a thousand kilometers away,
00:17:36missiles that Saudi Arabia says Iran has given
00:17:39to the Houthis. Saudi Arabia says in retaliation
00:17:43it has bombed more than 130 Houthi positions
00:17:46over the past two days. These images
00:17:50show some of these attacks in Sana'a and its surroundings, which are under Houthi
00:17:54control.
00:17:57Saudi Arabia says it has also conducted extensive airstrikes
00:18:00in support of government ground forces, which are reportedly
00:18:04trying to recapture coastal areas in the sea.
00:18:28No matter how much Saudi Arabia and its allies
00:18:31threaten the Houthis, in the end, they will
00:18:35fall.
00:18:38Meanwhile, the UN Security Council discussed developments in Yemen
00:18:42and Saudi Arabia yesterday without issuing a statement
00:18:45or resolution. The UN Special Envoy for
00:18:49Yemen said Yemen has now returned to a full-blown
00:18:52war. The Saudi representative said that his country
00:18:56will not allow the Houthi terrorists, as he called them, to
00:19:00control the Red Sea or Bab al-Mandab and threaten the region.
00:19:03And the representative of the Yemeni government called
00:19:07on the international community to stop arms smuggling to the
00:19:11Houthis.
00:19:14In the past hour, there have also been reports of another attack on Riyadh
00:19:17Airport, an attack that reportedly left dozens injured
00:19:21in Terminal 3 of King Khalid
00:19:25International Airport. Flight tracking shows that
00:19:28the airport was closed to flights following
00:19:32the attack. A long
00:19:38One month after the arrest of photojournalist Majid Saeedi,
00:19:42his whereabouts, reasons for arrest, and arresting authority
00:19:45have not been announced. Security forces arrested him at his home
00:19:49a month ago and, before searching his home
00:19:53and confiscating some of his personal belongings, took
00:19:56him to an unknown location. Previously, the Iranian
00:20:00Photojournalists Association had expressed concern about Mr. Saeedi's situation.
00:20:03Majid Saeedi was arrested in 2021 when he had gone
00:20:07to West Azerbaijan province to report on the situation of Afghan
00:20:11refugees
00:20:30Iranian photographers, and
00:20:34he was first, I think, arrested in 2009
00:20:37during the Green Movement. Then he was banned from working,
00:20:41and I had the honor of traveling with him for several
00:20:45years to live and work in Afghanistan, and
00:20:48there I was his colleague and roommate for three or four years,
00:20:52and we lived together. He is one of Iran's well-known photographers
00:20:56who has worked in the region, has been in various countries,
00:20:59in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. So
00:21:03the news of his arrest is very
00:21:07upsetting and alarming for the Iranian
00:21:10photojournalism community, because he has been working in Iran for years.
00:21:14He is a well-known photographer, and he always does professional work.
00:21:17That's why I have worked with him and know him personally,
00:21:21and the news of his arrest in recent days has worried
00:21:24all of us, especially since I asked his dear friends and old
00:21:28colleagues, and it seems that he had heart
00:21:31surgery some time ago. So, to be honest,
00:21:34it's very worrying in this situation that
00:21:38he has been taken, and there is no news of him, and the only
00:21:42thing his family said, I think, is that
00:21:46he made a call some time ago regarding a request.
00:22:08They have this problem with the Islamic Republic government. The truth is, this is not the first time. I think
00:22:12the Iranian photojournalism community has only
00:22:15once worked without stress, without fear,
00:22:18and that was, I think, the 1979 Revolution. After the 1979 Revolution, in all periods,
00:22:22during the student movement, the Green Movement, Aban
00:22:2698, the Woman, Life, Freedom movement, and last December,
00:22:29our photographers have always been
00:22:32harassed, harmed, and arrested.
00:22:36That's why I think the Iranian photojournalism community in the last 40-50
00:22:40years has only once been able to work without stress
00:22:50Photojournalists. To be honest, in some
00:22:53movements and events, photojournalists' role is
00:22:57more prominent and important than that of reporters. A reporter
00:23:01can open their window and look at a movement, an
00:23:04event, a demonstration, and interview a few people
00:23:08passing by their door and write the news. But a photojournalist
00:23:12must be present there, go within a meter of the event,
00:23:15in addition to the fact that they are forced to get close, and this
00:23:19is their professional duty, and this is the kind
00:23:23of work they must do. One thing that photojournalists
00:23:26are always feared by governments all over the world, not just
00:23:30Iran, is that photojournalism is the eye of society
00:23:33and visual history. After all,
00:23:36we know history through images, don't we? If you want to
00:23:40talk to a generation that was in the streets for Woman, Life, Freedom, about
00:23:43the Green Movement, you can tell them with all the articles
00:23:47you have written, but it's the image that can
00:23:50show that crowd or about the Woman,
00:23:54Life, Freedom movement and all the events. That's why
00:23:57the Islamic Republic is afraid of the photojournalism community because
00:24:01if a crime, a massacre happens, it's the photojournalist
00:24:05who records these for history and preserves them in history.
00:24:08In addition to this historical event, they can viralize
00:24:12it instantly throughout the world and show it to the world.
00:24:15That's why in countries where there is a dictatorship
00:24:18or semi-dictatorship and the government space
00:24:22is not democratic but closed, they are always afraid of photojournalism
00:24:25because it is the eye of society
00:24:40when photojournalists are arrested, their first charges are
00:24:44that you viralized a photo.
00:24:47That is, the charge is "I have a lot of photos".
00:24:57This has been the question: why have these photos left your computer,
00:25:01your camera, and been seen around the world?
00:25:04And well, this is the mission of the
00:25:08photographer, which is to show the world the photos they have taken,
00:25:11and then to show them to their own society. That's why
00:25:15I don't think my colleagues in the last 40 years,
00:25:1930-40 years, have done anything wrong beyond
00:25:22their professional duty. They just have the duty, like all people
00:25:26who live in society, to show the world the images
00:25:41with a news item related to the world of technology. The Philadelphia
00:25:44Police Department in the state of Pennsylvania, USA, says that an artificial
00:25:48intelligence model from Anthropic
00:25:50sent fake documents about an unsolved murder
00:25:54case through the police website. This happened three
00:25:57months ago, and the AI introduced itself as
00:26:00someone with information about the case,
00:26:04but Anthropic itself had learned about this
00:26:07weeks before. Yesterday, Anthropic confirmed
00:26:11that its AI agents were acting
00:26:14against the company's wishes
00:26:17and had tried to access
00:26:19several local government systems.
00:26:22اند.
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00:30:30airstrikes and intensified fighting around,
00:30:35they targeted Riyadh International
00:30:37Airport.
00:30:40One day after the assassination of the Deputy Police Chief of Sistan and Baluchestan, a group
00:30:43called the Popular Front for Struggle claimed responsibility.
00:30:47Lower energy prices at the cost
00:30:51of concessions to the Kremlin. Zelensky says: lifting
00:30:54sanctions on Russian gas sales prolongs the war. Trump says:
00:30:57گوید: