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00:00:00and the world will be, and now he has gone for
00:00:04a diesel agreement with Russia. But the reaction
00:00:07that we see from serious Republican figures
00:00:11like even the representative Senator of Nebraska,
00:00:15is that this response, meaning an agreement with
00:00:18Russia, is the wrong response to the diesel problem in America.
00:00:21And Mr. Trump, if
00:00:24he wants to solve the fuel issue with Russia,
00:00:28he should do it after the end of the war. A representative
00:00:47of the Ukrainian Parliament and the head of the Committee for Migration and Refugees in the
00:00:51Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe from Ukraine is with us.
00:00:54Welcome to the program, Mr. Goncharenko. First, I wanted to ask
00:00:57you about Mr. Trump's statement
00:01:01that Volodymyr Zelensky should
00:01:05step down and a new president should take power in Ukraine.
00:01:09What do you
00:01:09think?
00:01:17I think we will have elections
00:01:20ahead, and it is very likely that we will
00:01:23have a new president, but all of this
00:01:27will be after the end of the war. Because
00:01:30in a state of war, we cannot do this. Therefore, if President
00:01:34Trump helps us to achieve peace, then we can have elections. Mr. Trump says
00:01:37that part of
00:01:41the problem goes back to Ukraine, it goes back to the President of Ukraine,
00:01:44and if the President
00:01:47of Ukraine does not show flexibility,
00:01:50the war will not end.
00:01:53We Ukrainians
00:02:00also want
00:02:03to achieve
00:02:04peace
00:02:09quickly, and
00:02:13it is our opinion that the Russians
00:02:16are unwilling to compromise
00:02:19on peace terms. And if President
00:02:23Trump has a package
00:02:26that he thinks will help end
00:02:30the war, he should definitely present it to us
00:02:34as well and
00:02:37unveil it. Recently, Ukrainians have been in contact
00:02:40with Vitkov and Jared Kushner regarding
00:02:43the peace process, and if
00:02:46President Trump sees a problem, he should tell
00:02:50President Zelensky what their conditions
00:02:53are and what the conditions for peace are. And
00:02:56at this point, it seems that Russia
00:03:00does not want to end the war. Mr. Trump says that Ukrainians
00:03:04should not have attacked Russia's
00:03:07oil or diesel facilities
00:03:11because attacking them also harms
00:03:15America, as America wants fuel prices
00:03:18to be low due to the war with Iran. Why
00:03:21didn't Ukrainians listen to Mr.
00:03:25Trump's words, meaning they should have considered other targets
00:03:29to attack?
00:03:31Ukraine
00:03:39is currently in a full-scale war with
00:03:42Russia. The
00:03:45primary and largest source
00:03:48of Russia's income is oil. And if Ukraine
00:03:51wants to harm Russia,
00:03:55Russian refineries are completely
00:03:58legitimate targets.
00:04:30Ukraine should not damage its important infrastructure.
00:04:33The world needs Ukrainian oil
00:04:36and Russian oil as much as it needs Ukrainian grain.
00:04:40If they promise not to attack Ukrainian
00:04:43ports, then that
00:04:47would be an agreement that is both probable and reasonable,
00:04:51and it is possible to carry it out. When Russia attacked Ukraine,
00:04:55many people thought that Ukraine would fall
00:04:58in 48 hours or in a week. But now, for several years,
00:05:02Ukraine has been resisting, and
00:05:05it is a very
00:05:07fierce resistance.
00:05:09But if Ukraine wants to achieve peace...
00:05:16Is it possible, for example, to give up a part of its territory? We are
00:05:20ready.
00:05:30We are ready to end the war at the current
00:05:33borders, which means that some of
00:05:36these territories are currently in Russian
00:05:39hands, but
00:05:43we will not recognize them as Russian
00:05:47territory, but they will be occupied territories.
00:05:51Well, this is one of Ukraine's concessions,
00:05:54and there are other issues as well, such as Ukraine not joining
00:05:58the NATO alliance, which seems reasonable.
00:06:01However, in return,
00:06:04Russia
00:06:05must make other promises,
00:06:09for example, other promises
00:06:13of financial aid to the Ukrainian army itself.
00:06:17Therefore, these must be conveyed
00:06:20through direct lines and direct communications,
00:06:24not through messages Oleksiy Goncharenko, Ukrainian Member of Parliament
00:06:27and Head of the Committee on Migration and Refugees in the Parliamentary Assembly
00:06:31of the Council of Europe. Thank you for your presence on the program. However, the statements of Marco
00:06:35Rubio, the US Secretary of State, in front of the Parthenon
00:06:39temple on the Acropolis in Athens,
00:06:42regarding a segment of the Greco-Persian Wars in ancient times, have caused controversy
00:06:46inside and outside Iran.
00:06:50Mr. Rubio made these remarks on Wednesday during his trip to Greece.
00:06:53First, let's listen to some parts of his speech
00:06:55together.
00:07:00480 years before Christ, Xerxes' forces entered this
00:07:04city and set its sanctuaries on fire. Most
00:07:08Athenians had already left by ship and gone to an island.
00:07:12For
00:07:31a few days, they stopped the largest empire of that era. But
00:07:35in the end, they were defeated. The Iranians plundered
00:07:39the temples, burned the shrines, and...
00:08:37The Islamic Republic reacted to his statements. Mohammad
00:08:40Baqer Qalibaf, the Speaker of the Parliament, the government's chief negotiator with the Trump
00:08:44administration, said that America's confrontation with Iran will ultimately
00:08:48lead to Washington's defeat and submission
00:08:51to Tehran. Another senior
00:08:55official who attacked the US Secretary of State is Mohsen
00:08:58Rezaee, the Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council. He also warned that America
00:09:02will be the loser of the war
00:09:05with Iran. Several newspapers have also dedicated their front pages to
00:09:09this news. For example, a newspaper affiliated
00:09:13with Azad University claimed that the current rulers of Iran, like
00:09:17Shapur I Sasanian, who overcame Valerian,
00:09:20the Roman Emperor, and his army, will force America
00:09:24to surrender. The newspaper Vatan Emrooz
00:09:28also described Marco Rubio's remarks as an attempt to persuade
00:09:31Europeans to join America in the war with Iran.
00:09:35The US Secretary of State's remarks have also received widespread reactions
00:09:38on social media. Touraj
00:09:41Daryaee, Director of the Samuel Jordan Center for Iranian Studies and
00:09:45Professor of History and holder of the Chair in Iranian and Cultural Studies
00:09:49at the University of California, Irvine, is with us. Mr. Daryaee,
00:09:52as a historian and as someone who
00:09:55has followed these issues very closely,
00:09:59what was your impression when you heard Mr.
00:10:03Rubio's remarks? I
00:10:05would say that my impression is that
00:10:09this is not the first time that politicians,
00:10:12by using history, try to establish
00:10:15a new perspective or their own
00:10:19words. It is
00:10:21clear that America and Israel are at war
00:10:25with Iran. Mr. Rubio goes to the Acropolis, where Xerxes
00:10:28and the Iranian army went and set it on fire.
00:10:32In between this story,
00:10:36they talk about the migration of Islam
00:10:39and Iranians, and in fact, they tie these issues together
00:10:42with ancient
00:10:44history.
00:10:47Can the Islamic Republic really be linked
00:10:51to, for example, the empire
00:10:53of that time in Iran, and then
00:10:57infer that that same war,
00:11:01that same good and evil, and
00:11:04that same conflict
00:11:06has been revived now? You really can't. These are
00:11:10different periods of history. But we must
00:11:14remember that in the eyes of Westerners, this
00:11:17East-centric or Orientalist view has
00:11:20always existed, meaning it imagines the East
00:11:25as a society that never changes, that it is the same as it was.
00:11:29And when you have this Orientalist view,
00:11:32you can easily misuse past history
00:11:36for your own purposes.
00:11:40Mr. Rubio also said elsewhere that
00:11:43Western civilization is on the verge of destruction
00:11:47and we must come to our senses.
00:11:50What does this mean? Does he mean that, for example, Iran
00:11:53is part of that Eastern civilization
00:11:57that has risen again and may, for example,
00:12:01destroy the foundations of the new civilization?
00:12:04Yes, I think there are several issues. One is the issue
00:12:07of non-European migration to
00:12:10Europe and now to America. This is one
00:12:13issue, but besides that, it's not without reason that they went to
00:12:17the Acropolis, where the Iranians took it
00:12:21and conquered it 480 BC, because the Ionians
00:12:25in 498 BC
00:12:28had come and burned the capital of the satrapy of Sardis in Lydia,
00:12:31Iran. He
00:12:34is saying, look at what the Iranians did to our civilization at that time.
00:12:38We are still standing against them,
00:12:41and we must defend ourselves. The only
00:12:45difference is that Iran does not have military bases in Europe. It is
00:12:48the Americans who have military bases in the Middle East.
00:12:51Mr. Daryaee, some time ago,
00:12:55the theory of the clash of civilizations was put forward and caused a lot of debate.
00:12:59Then, the reformist president of Iran
00:13:03proposed the dialogue of civilizations at that time. Now, do you
00:13:06see a trend again where some people want
00:13:10to say that the clash of civilizations has taken on
00:13:13a real aspect and
00:13:16that this is truly a conflict and a civilizational
00:13:19arena? I think we are exactly
00:13:23witnessing the story or narrative of Mr. Samuel Huntington's
00:13:27Clash of Civilizations
00:13:29number two. This is what the US
00:13:33government wants to show,
00:13:35and it may largely succeed
00:13:39due to the existing issues. It should only
00:13:43be mentioned here as a historian that the Achaemenid
00:13:47Empire was a global empire, not
00:13:50only Eastern, but also Western, perhaps.
00:13:53And these are the Greek city-states that are facing
00:13:57a global empire. The issue of East and West
00:14:00did not exist in the past, and
00:14:03this is because of Mr. Rubio's ignorance
00:14:07or misunderstanding that he is using a different
00:14:10narrative. You said Mr. Rubio's ignorance. In fact, this
00:14:14has deeply affected Iranian nationalists,
00:14:18those who care deeply about ancient Iran. And
00:14:21isn't it possible that this will inadvertently
00:14:25play into the hands of the Islamic Republic,
00:14:28and the Iranian government will exploit
00:14:31this kind of talk and this kind of interpretation?
00:14:35Absolutely. This
00:14:37mistaken interpretation by Mr. Rubio causes
00:14:41Iranians to feel offended. The patriotism
00:14:44and nationalism of the Islamic Republic, due to its own
00:14:48positions, all of these come together,
00:14:51meaning the signal is that, look, these Westerners,
00:14:55at the end of the day, they see us as the same
00:14:59old enemies. And then, how difficult
00:15:03it is for those who are aware
00:15:06of what the Islamic Republic does and the nature of that government,
00:15:09and also have no problem,
00:15:12for example, with Mr. Trump's government's
00:15:16view of history, culture, and even the modern world.
00:15:20Yes, two wrongs don't make a right,
00:15:23and we, as those
00:15:27who are just here, must be able to pay attention
00:15:30to the danger and mistakes of everyone, and one must express
00:15:34it. But now the issue is the existence
00:15:37of Iran and that it has been bombed
00:15:40for a year. And it makes it much
00:15:44more difficult to say now in the midst
00:15:48of this that
00:15:50the sins of this side are like this and the sins of that side were more
00:15:53or less. Thank you very much, Mr. Daryaee. Touraj Daryaee, Professor
00:15:57of History and holder of the Chair of Iranian and Cultural Studies at the University
00:16:01of California, Irvine, is with
00:16:04us. The Houthis of Yemen have once again attacked the international airport
00:16:08of the Saudi capital with missiles. Hospital sources say
00:16:11that dozens of people were injured in this attack, and five Saudi
00:16:14citizens were admitted to intensive care.
00:16:17Etihad and Qatar Airways
00:16:20cancelled their scheduled flights to Riyadh for Sunday and Monday.
00:16:24Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia says it has bombed more than 130 Houthi
00:16:28positions in Yemen. Saudi officials say
00:16:31the goal is to eliminate the Houthis' ability
00:16:35to conduct.
00:17:09In this attack, which is the second attack on this airport in recent
00:17:12weeks, several airlines, including Air India
00:17:16and Lufthansa, have suspended their flights here.
00:17:20In
00:17:23response, Saudi Arabia launched widespread air strikes against
00:17:26the Houthis. It says that in order to eliminate the threat
00:17:30of their ballistic missiles, which were launched from about a thousand
00:17:33kilometers away in the recent attack on Riyadh. Saudi Arabia
00:17:38says
00:17:38in
00:17:44retaliation, it has bombed Houthi positions more than 130
00:17:47times in the past two days. These
00:17:51images show some of these attacks in Sanaa and its surroundings,
00:17:54which are controlled by the Houthis. Saudi Arabia says
00:17:58it has also conducted widespread air strikes
00:18:01in support of government ground forces,
00:18:04which are reportedly trying to retake
00:18:08coastal areas in the Red Sea.
00:18:09In
00:18:12Sanaa, the Houthis and their supporters emphasized
00:18:15their continued path at a rally yesterday.
00:18:19According to them, the escalation of war in response to
00:18:22the escalation of war,
00:18:24siege in response to siege.
00:18:28This man says it doesn't matter how much Saudi Arabia
00:18:32and its allies conspire against the Houthis. In the end,
00:18:35they will fall.
00:18:40Meanwhile, the United Nations Security Council reviewed
00:18:43developments in Yemen and Saudi Arabia yesterday without issuing
00:18:47a statement or resolution. The UN Special Envoy for
00:18:50Yemen said Yemen has now returned to a full-scale war.
00:18:54The Saudi representative said this country will
00:18:58not allow the terrorist Houthis, as he called them, to control
00:19:01the Red Sea or Bab al-Mandab and threaten the region.
00:19:05And the representative of the Yemeni government asked
00:19:09the international community to stop arms smuggling to
00:19:12the Houthis.
00:19:15In the past hour, there have been reports of another attack on Riyadh
00:19:19airport. An attack that reportedly left dozens injured
00:19:23at Terminal 3 of King
00:19:26Khalid International Airport. Flight tracking shows that
00:19:30the airport was closed to flights after
00:19:33this attack. A long night tonight in Riyadh. One
00:19:40month after the arrest of Majid Saeedi, a photojournalist,
00:19:44his whereabouts, reasons for arrest, and the arresting authority
00:19:47have not been announced. Security forces arrested him at his home
00:19:51a month ago and, before searching his house
00:19:54and confiscating some of his personal belongings, took him to an
00:19:57unknown location. Previously, the Iranian Photojournalists Association
00:20:01had expressed concern about Mr. Saeedi's situation.
00:20:05Majid Saeedi was arrested in 2021, when he
00:20:08went to West Azerbaijan province to report
00:20:11on the situation of Afghan refugees,
00:20:15in Khoy city. Hossein Fatemi, a photojournalist from Washington, is with us.
00:20:19Welcome to the program, Mr. Fatemi. Could you please tell
00:20:21us more about Mr. Majid Saeedi
00:20:25and his activities? Hello
00:20:28and greetings. Majid is one of the bravest
00:20:31Iranian photographers, and he was arrested
00:20:35for the first time, I think,
00:20:39in the Green Movement in 2009. After that,
00:20:42he was banned from working, and I had the honor of traveling
00:20:45with him for several years
00:20:48to live and work in Afghanistan. I worked with Majid for three or four years there,
00:20:52we lived together, and we shared a home. He is one of
00:20:55Iran's well-known photographers who has worked
00:20:59in the region and in various countries, including Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan,
00:21:03and Libya. That's why the news
00:21:06of his arrest is very disturbing and shocking
00:21:10for the Iranian photojournalism community,
00:21:13because he has been working in Iran for years. He is a well-known photographer
00:21:17and he does professional work. That's why I have
00:21:20also worked with him and I know him personally, and the news about his
00:21:24arrest these days has worried all of us.
00:21:27Especially, I asked my dear friends and old colleagues,
00:21:31and it seems that he had heart surgery
00:21:34some time ago. That's why, honestly, it's very worrying in this
00:21:38situation that they took him and there's no news of
00:21:42him. And the only thing that I think
00:21:45his family said is that he made a call some time ago
00:21:49and asked for medicine
00:21:52so he could use his medication. Is it known what
00:21:56charges he was arrested
00:21:58on? To be honest, I don't think
00:22:02anyone knows yet, but photojournalists always
00:22:05have this problem with the
00:22:09government of the Islamic Republic. The truth is, this is not the first time. I
00:22:13think the photojournalism community in Iran has only
00:22:16once worked without stress, without fear. That was
00:22:20I think the 1979 revolution. After the 1979 revolution, in all periods,
00:22:23in the periods of the student movement, the Green Movement,
00:22:27November 2019, the Woman, Life, Freedom movement, and the recent
00:22:30December protests, our photographers have always been
00:22:34harassed, harmed, and arrested.
00:22:38That's why I think the Iranian photojournalism community has only once been able to work without stress
00:22:42and fear in the last 40-50 years, and that was during the 1979
00:22:45revolution. What do you think is the reason? Why is photojournalism so sensitive?
00:22:56In some movements and events,
00:22:58the role of journalists is more prominent and important.
00:23:02A journalist can open their window and look
00:23:05at a movement, an event, a demonstration, and interview a few
00:23:09people who pass by their door and write the news. But
00:23:13a photojournalist must be there, one meter
00:23:16from the event. Besides that, they are forced
00:23:20to get close, and this is their professional duty, and this is the kind of work
00:23:24they have to do. One thing that photojournalists are always
00:23:26afraid of by all governments in the world, not
00:23:30just Iran, is that photojournalism is the eye of society
00:23:33and visual history. After all,
00:23:36we know history through images,
00:23:39don't we? If you want to talk to a generation that was
00:23:43in the streets during the Woman, Life, Freedom movement, about the
00:23:47Green Movement, you can tell them with all
00:23:50the articles you have written. But it is the image that can show
00:23:53that crowd, or regarding the Woman, Life, Freedom movement
00:23:57and all the events. That's why the Islamic Republic is afraid of the photojournalism
00:24:01community, because if a crime, a massacre
00:24:04happens, it is this photojournalist who records these things for history
00:24:08and leaves them in history. Besides this
00:24:11historical event, they can make it viral in the world right then
00:24:15and show it to the world. That's why in
00:24:18countries where there is a dictatorship, the government is
00:24:21semi-dictatorial, and the government environment is not democratic,
00:24:25they are always afraid of photojournalism, because it is the eye of society and the eye
00:24:29of the people that sees and shows. Mr. Fatemi, very briefly,
00:24:32what charges was Mr. Saeedi facing in previous
00:24:36arrests?
00:24:38I
00:24:40think the charges are always the same when photojournalists are arrested.
00:24:44The first one is that you
00:24:47have made a photo viral. I haven't
00:24:50seen many charges, big charges,
00:24:54or strange charges against the Iranian photojournalism
00:24:56community. It has always been about why these photos
00:25:00from your computer, from your camera, have gone out
00:25:04and been seen in the world. And well,
00:25:07this is actually the photojournalist's mission,
00:25:10to show the photo they have taken to the world,
00:25:14and then to their own society. That's why I don't think
00:25:17my colleagues in the last 40 years, 30-40 years, have done
00:25:21anything wrong beyond their mission.
00:25:24Their duty is just like all people who
00:25:28live in society, to show the pictures that are taken
00:25:32to the world and record
00:25:35them for history. Thank you, Mr. Fatemi. Hossein Fatemi, photojournalist from
00:25:38Washington, with
00:25:41us. We conclude the program with a news item related to the world of technology.
00:25:44Philadelphia police in the state of
00:25:47Pennsylvania, USA, say that an artificial intelligence model from
00:25:50Anthropic company sent forged documents through the police
00:25:54website regarding an unsolved murder case.
00:25:57This happened three months ago, and the AI
00:26:00introduced itself as
00:26:02someone who had information about the case.
00:26:06had been informed of the matter
00:26:09a few weeks before this. Yesterday,
00:26:12Anthropic company confirmed that its AI
00:26:15agents were acting against the company's wishes
00:26:18and had tried to access several
00:26:21local government systems. Thank
00:26:24you.
00:30:25Headlines.
00:30:25Despite
00:30:30renewed Saudi air strikes and intensified fighting around
00:30:33the Bab al-Mandab strait, the Houthis of Yemen once again targeted
00:30:37Riyadh International Airport. One
00:30:41day after the assassination of the Deputy Police Chief of Sistan and Baluchestan, a group
00:30:45called the Popular Front for Struggle claimed
00:30:48responsibility. Lowering energy prices at the cost
00:30:52of concessions to the Kremlin. Zelensky says lifting
00:30:55the ban on Russian gas sales prolongs the war. Trump says
00:30:59Ukraine needs new leadership for peace.