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00:03:10Hello, on Belarus 1, on Belarus 24, the Editors' Club program. We discuss the most
00:03:14important topics of the outgoing week, and our guests who came to
00:03:17the 600 studio on MKNK9 are Alexey Belyaev, political scientist, Andrey
00:03:21Krivosheev, CEO of the Minsk News agency, chairman of the Belarusian Union of Journalists,
00:03:25Andrey Bogadel, deputy head of the faculty of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Military
00:03:28Academy of the Republic.
00:05:42and during the press conference or press briefing, he
00:05:45said: Tell us, Europeans, what exactly can
00:05:49we do to help you kill
00:05:53more Russians, he said, and we have, yes, probably his words, let's
00:05:56listen to them, a short question to the President of Ukraine, President
00:06:00Zelensky,
00:06:03you have already partly mentioned this, but can you tell us, Europeans,
00:06:06what we
00:06:08specifically can do to help you...
00:06:12kill more Russians, of course more Russian
00:06:16soldiers, I also
00:06:18ask this, have you discussed
00:06:22any issues regarding defense cooperation and joint drone production
00:06:26with your Serbian host party, thank
00:06:29you very much, I wanted to say that he is a worthy successor
00:06:32of Goebbels, Goebbels, yes there are many such people, but he proved to be a worthy
00:06:36successor of his grandfather, Hans Hermann Martens was
00:06:39a member of
00:06:43the Nazi stormtroopers and told
00:06:46his grandson that he was somewhere in the headquarters, but nevertheless
00:06:49he seemed to understand issues of desertion from the German army,
00:06:53he issued death sentences, but we know these stories,
00:06:57they all went to the store, passed by, in fact they
00:07:00killed us, our ancestors, the grandson
00:07:04grew up a very decent person,
00:07:07the second statement is
00:07:09the leader of the Polish regime.
00:08:42Poles, here I am not surprised, and often Poles are reminded
00:08:46that we fought together against the Hitlerites, but
00:08:49how many Poles killed Jews, and how many fought on
00:08:53Hitler's side, and how many fought on Hitler's side, how many Belarusians they killed
00:08:57before that, so I'm not surprised that in
00:09:00Poland they applaud that
00:09:04the Polish dictator calls for killing more Muscovites, there are enough
00:09:08such people, and history shows that, in the end, these are people who created the first...
00:10:12the so-called SVO, has already been correctly called
00:10:15a war. Accordingly, this idea
00:10:18was promoted by special services in Poland with
00:10:21the aim of inciting Russia.
00:12:32And this policy led to the country fighting, losing 20% of its territory, and
00:12:36the country is in a dependent position economically
00:12:40and militarily. Therefore, you see, what Belarus is doing
00:12:43is important, we are not shouting, "independence,
00:12:46independence," we perceive it normally, sovereignty, defined by our constitution,
00:12:50this is the will of our people, but what are we working on? We are not inviting
00:12:54aggression from external,
00:12:57so to speak, players in the international
00:13:00arena, yes there is some unfounded
00:13:03aggression and their geopolitical interests, but we are not provoking, we
00:13:07are engaged in our economy and try to behave decently
00:13:11with our strategic allies in these conditions, but at the same
00:13:14time we try to maintain a constructive dialogue even with those partners in
00:13:18international dialogue who do not always behave civilized. This is the only
00:13:22possible policy of a reasonable person.
00:13:55Let's see, Navrotsky's
00:13:58speech fixes that point
00:14:01of no return, which can tell
00:14:04us these words of his, what we cannot understand, the paradox
00:14:08does not fit, this is what from Polish, the phase
00:14:12of transformation of Polish people, the people into proxy soldiers
00:14:16of the West has entered its final phase,
00:14:19they are ready to fight everyone,
00:14:22Ukrainians, Russians, wherever they are told.
00:15:06civilian casualties, and who is to blame? The Russians are to blame,
00:15:10who did not cross the Vistula, but they could not cross
00:15:13militarily, today Poland accuses two sides, while
00:15:17it received, thanks to the same Stalin, whom they
00:15:20hate, part of the western
00:15:23lands that were German territories,
00:15:26part of the same Bialystok, yes, which belonged
00:15:30to the Belarusian, to the BSSR pre-war, this whole
00:15:33story frightens me very, very
00:15:36much. Polish citizens are instilled
00:15:40with the idea that they are surrounded
00:15:43by enemies, and when these enemies fight, it is good for them, so they
00:15:47will in every way support the conflict, and if we
00:15:50also recall the statements of the same Polish politicians
00:15:54and authorities, about the fact that they should have the strongest army in
00:15:57Europe, about how much money they invest
00:16:00in this development,
00:16:03then it is a big threat for us too,
00:16:06absolutely.
00:16:37Therefore, there is no need to be surprised that modern Polish politicians, especially
00:16:41those who headed this essentially neo-Nazi
00:16:44Institute of National Remembrance,
00:16:47are not surprising. As for
00:16:50Ukraine, well, you know, the figure of Yevhen
00:16:53Konovalets is very telling, he was
00:16:56a refined Nazi, a traitor
00:16:59and a man who took money from everyone to realize
00:17:03his own ambitions, and also a man with a Lithuanian passport.
00:17:25in Kyiv, bloodily suppressed the uprising
00:17:29of workers, his Ukrainians,
00:17:32Ukrainian-speaking, just his Sich Riflemen
00:17:35slaughtered them in Kyiv.
00:24:50already scares me, because we see that serious pressure is being exerted on
00:24:53Serbia by the entire European Union and even Vucic,
00:24:57who is exerting pressure on us, on Alexander
00:25:01Lukashenka, pressure has been exerted for 30 years, and what, well, we
00:25:04have a different philosophy, psychology, and a different
00:25:07geopolitical, leave this position, give it to someone else,
00:25:10well, it's absolutely right that here we should think today,
00:25:14how these ideas of Nazism and
00:25:18how these ideas of Russophobia are being promoted.
00:25:50heard nothing new, because look, when it just appeared, yes, as soon
00:25:54as they started talking about that, please, fire this
00:25:57correspondent, this Franz Frankfurt.
00:26:01that is, the newspaper was not concerned about the fact that you
00:26:12would kill someone, but about the fact that the
00:26:16phrase was uttered ambiguously, about whether
00:26:19to kill Russians or Russian soldiers, they posted a petition for
00:26:23his dismissal, the petition was deleted, the petition was then deleted, as
00:26:27soon as 400 people appeared in half an hour, this petition immediately
00:26:29disappeared, what was the concern?
00:27:02to remind you, in November 2025, on Cadet's
00:27:06Day, exactly what we were talking about, this is precisely the Polish
00:27:09uprising, he uttered these very words almost for the first
00:27:12time about the fact that one cannot have anything to do with Muscovites,
00:27:16they only understand force, they must only
00:27:19be destroyed, these are the words of the President
00:27:23of Poland, and if you look further, dig
00:27:26deeper, how the population is being prepared today, I specifically
00:27:30looked and thought, well, what about the Poles? How do they feel about this, we constantly
00:27:34try to separate the government of Poland from the Poles themselves,
00:27:37from this population of Poland, they constantly
00:27:40conduct sociological surveys, there
00:27:44is such a concept: dislike for Russians, so 60 to
00:27:4780% of Poles today feel dislike for
00:27:51Russians, sympathy there is
00:27:5410%, and there is generally 7-8% recently,
00:27:57for Belarusians, by the way, dislike
00:28:00is felt by about.
00:28:32or what citizenship you have, if you look at Germany itself
00:28:36and what is happening, let's just say, today
00:28:39both Poland and Germany are
00:28:42front-line countries, of this Western and
00:28:45North Atlantic Alliance, we can recall these events about
00:28:48Patriot, who will they be supplied to, about medium-range
00:28:52missiles that suddenly go to Germany, about many
00:28:55questions related to the fact that Germany and
00:28:59Poland should do something before 2030, these...
00:29:32they signed the well-known Moscow 2+4 treaty in
00:29:361990, remember, yes, when all this
00:29:39was united, that from the territory of Germany only
00:29:43peace will come, our armed forces will be
00:29:46limited to 370 thousand people, and how
00:29:49for a long time the Germans constantly taught
00:29:52everyone that Germany can participate everywhere,
00:29:56remember, in the nineties with Yugoslavia, the beginning
00:29:59of the 2000s, Iraq, then came.
00:30:02Afghanistan and all the rest, and today where are the Germans
00:30:05standing 18 km from our
00:30:08state border, now we have a broadcast here, at the same
00:30:12time, I want to say, echelons are moving,
00:30:16where is the equipment going, the corresponding
00:30:19necessary control systems of the Dutch or Netherlandish,
00:30:23German corps, the forward command post is being deployed in Latvia
00:30:27and Estonia, this is what is happening today,
00:30:31this is not accidental. This is happening precisely against the backdrop of these
00:30:34events, what awaits us in the near future? And what are they
00:30:38going to do? Are they going to attack us? And I think so, they know
00:30:41how long the decay period of radioactive
00:30:45substances is in nuclear
00:30:47weapons. Let's talk about what they have in store for us, because
00:30:51the strategy of the North Atlantic Alliance
00:30:54is based on a pre-emptive disarming strike, to prevent
00:30:58Russia from using its nuclear weapons, they constantly
00:31:01checked. There is an automatic launch system in the Russian Federation,
00:31:05so let's dwell on the automatic launch system separately, I
00:31:08can say that it was signed in
00:31:111996, t
00:33:45Well, may I give the latest words
00:33:48as an example? Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin recently said very calmly
00:33:52that if the armed forces of NATO
00:33:56use the method of piracy in the open
00:33:59sea in independent waters, then the
00:34:03Russian Federation will not limit itself in similar and not
00:34:06always symmetrical actions. Vladimir Vladimirovich
00:34:10said it very quietly, but you saw the reaction
00:34:14of both politicians and the press and
00:34:17Russia threatened to obstruct international trade
00:34:20in the Pacific Ocean and sink ships under our
00:34:24flags, it was said very quietly, and Russia
00:34:28did not withdraw from any agreements, including those
00:34:31on the open sea, look, there are two points,
00:34:35the first point, objectively, the population of old Europe
00:34:38is over half a billion
00:34:41people, of whom, perhaps, 10-15% themselves have no article.
00:35:15society around power, only in this way, as our
00:35:18colleague said, to arrange a military bacchanalia in the minds
00:35:22of their own citizens, in order to do this,
00:35:26of course, they will bring in troops, of course, they will speak loudly,
00:35:29they always did this, regarding Germany, you
00:35:32recalled the nineties, you'd better remember how many
00:35:36years passed between the first and second world
00:35:39wars, 20, they in 20
00:35:42years, spitting on all international...
00:36:15and 145 million population of the state, they have
00:36:18half a billion technological
00:36:21army, technological economy,
00:36:24but, but their society does not...
00:37:27they have been breaking these brains since the time of solidarity, and already
00:37:30today the Americans are liberating
00:37:33concentration camps located near Krakow and so on, where they
00:37:36never reached, and we
00:37:39see a very simple story for us
00:37:42Belarusians, how many wars have passed
00:37:46through our territory, yes, European, for us to survive,
00:37:50to preserve ourselves, it is very important not to allow
00:37:53the repetition of this, unfortunately, cyclical scenario. gradually
00:38:36begin to rehabilitate Nazis, they become the government
00:38:40of the FRG, and those who refused to serve
00:38:43Hitler for political, there were left-wing
00:38:46people with left-wing views, for political reasons they
00:38:50were rehabilitated in 96 to kill
00:38:53Russians, everything we are talking about is true, well, let's us...
00:39:57it will be in any normal person, that's
00:40:00where our partners, neighbors, allies,
00:40:04will start to shake, these actions
00:40:07near the borders that you spoke about, this is
00:40:11an element of intimidation for those who might falter, yes,
00:40:15and today this topic
00:40:18of internal again imbalance and collapse of a huge
00:40:22country for our neighbors, for
00:40:25our friends, first of all, is the most
00:40:29critical, in my opinion, in this political campaign,
00:40:32because this slogan "Peace to the peoples" will
00:40:36be repeated exactly 100 years later, well, a little more than 100
00:40:39years later, and it will resonate. Well, let's
00:40:42remember, what did it give to the Bolsheviks? That is, they shouted
00:40:45slogans to the country, the West achieved its
00:40:48goals, the Bolsheviks were given nothing,
00:40:51yes, the country was rebuilt,
00:40:55wait, speaking, speaking.
00:43:40then nuclear weapons will not be used against you, just as the presence
00:43:43of chemical weapons then guaranteed Germany, France, the Soviet
00:43:47Union, and Great Britain itself, that Germany used it against
00:43:50them, Nazi Germany used chemical, and what, and what were
00:43:54people poisoned with in concentration camps? Confuse combat
00:43:56chemical weapons with how people were killed using what
00:44:00means of mass destruction, we can remember these gas vans and
00:44:03everything else, Japan used it, we can say specifically,
00:44:06because China did not have such a guarantee, it did not possess it.
00:44:40to return to the words of the head of state, correctly,
00:44:43I want to return to the words of the head of state, which he spoke in December
00:44:472025 at the security council
00:44:50of our state, he said this:
00:44:54capitalists are people who are used to counting
00:44:57money, and they simply won't pour huge
00:45:00amounts, billions, into weapons systems, into all these
00:45:04pieces of iron, they must extract profit from all
00:45:08of this, and then... they will do what
00:45:12they have always been used to doing, killing and robbing, where today can one kill and
00:45:15rob, when, excuse me, the automotive industry has collapsed, yes,
00:45:19the national debt has already exceeded 100%, almost everywhere,
00:45:22Germans, as we say, are still afloat there 90, 90% of
00:45:26the national debt, where today can one rob, where are these resources today, yes
00:45:29here we have them, and now let's remember the words of the Minister
00:45:33of Defense of Belgium, how long Ukraine needs to hold out,
00:45:37Ukraine needs to hold out until 2030.
00:45:40weaken this Russia, and then we will all together attack, and what
00:45:44does it mean to attack all together? Here I again want to return to the words of our
00:45:48president, who said: for us today
00:45:51the main military threat is not the Poles and not
00:45:55the Lithuanians, the Germans
00:45:58represent the key threat today, I spoke about the strategy that they, by the
00:46:01way, have had since 1945, they only adopted the first
00:46:04one this year in spring, and I just
00:46:08want to say the words.
00:46:40he said that he said that our, my
00:46:43ground forces today are preparing to fight
00:46:47directly with the Russian Federation, all plans
00:46:51and programs have been prepared for this.
00:48:22with us, you think too highly of them, they will first of all
00:48:26rob their own population, they are already robbing, 800
00:48:30billion declared for the rearmament
00:48:33of the German, including army, army grouping of NATO in Europe, from
00:48:36whom did they take 800 billion and they will take more from their
00:48:40people, don't think too highly of politicians, these
00:48:44people must willingly give, you hear,
00:48:47of course they will give, because they were told that evil Russians, Belarusians and Russians
00:48:51will attack them any minute.
00:49:52and now the question of nuclear deterrence is not a question, but it is specifically
00:49:56included in the doctrine, the use from any territory
00:49:59of the West, even through proxy
00:50:02forces, because now it's very convenient, please, we are not
00:50:06fighting with you, proxies are fighting, yes, that is, you understand,
00:50:10still it is necessary so that this argument
00:50:13sounds more weighty, I basically, when this
00:50:17only started, I don't remember what we were doing in the Palace
00:50:20of Independence, I asked Aleksandrovich a question:
00:50:23so what, this internecine war is going on, why doesn't the Russian
00:50:26Federation indicate, then Biden jumped, he was happy,
00:50:30remember Biden's press approach first, when it started, he
00:50:33smiled and was happy, the old man said, it started, and
00:50:36the British, I repeat, the most profitable deal for us, then I
00:50:40say, we need to indicate
00:50:43that this issue will be closed only in this way, if such proxy forces
00:50:47are used against us, then I was also talking about the fact that, of course,
00:50:50nuclear weapons on our...
00:51:22and as soon as they feel that, so to speak, the socio-political
00:51:26situation is heated to such an extent that it is possible to try to influence
00:51:29it with more aggressive methods, including, unfortunately, they may also
00:51:33consider a peaceful rear for
00:51:37destabilization, well, we should not lead to this, so
00:51:41I am a supporter of why
00:51:43both sides should agree and make some
00:51:47compromise agreements, Vladimir Vladimirovich practiced Judo, I also practiced Judo,
00:51:51the main principle of Vladimir Vladimirovich, Judo is to give in to
00:51:54win, give way to trees, as in
00:51:58Judo, philosophy, snow fell, and the trees that
00:52:00were flexible, held snow on their branches, and the branches broke, while those
00:52:04that.
00:53:35understand that Europe, European
00:53:38people do not accept war for one simple reason, they
00:53:42did not even go into these dirty
00:53:45cold trenches during the aggression of Nazi Germany,
00:53:48they surrendered the same Paris,
00:53:51they cannot and will not allow this,
00:53:55they will supply weapons to these proxy Slavic
00:53:59soldiers, undoubtedly,
00:54:02yes, it's a huge machine, the Wehrmacht,
00:54:05and so on, but we must clearly understand, we
00:54:08are talking about symmetrical, asymmetrical, nuclear, in
00:54:11response to nuclear, no, Alexander Grigoryevich said,
00:54:15border and it doesn't matter how, nuclear or
00:54:18non-nuclear, there will be an answer, so in this I repeat
00:54:21again, I have already said this phrase at this table,
00:54:24a very important factor in the power
00:54:27of a weapon is whose hands it is in, who is
00:54:31capable of using and controlling it, so
00:54:35we Belarusians know the character of Alexander Grigoryevich,
00:54:38we understand that God forbid, but he will not hesitate
00:54:42to make a decision, but a very important deterrent factor is that
00:54:46not only Belarusians understand this, it's true, you understand
00:54:49what I'm talking about, here we must clearly
00:54:52tell ourselves, either
00:54:55we in a single state
00:54:59fulfill common tasks and
00:55:02thereby achieve a peaceful sky and... for ourselves and for
00:55:05future generations of Belarusians, or
00:55:08we, I'm sorry, start doing what they demand from us,
00:55:12pulling each other over trifles, which will lead to
00:55:15great discord in society, yes, what
00:55:19they are doing today in the Russian Federation, through what
00:55:22they overthrew Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia,
00:55:25now, the technology is the same, what happened,
00:55:29sorry, in the Russian Empire, when the Second
00:55:33World War was prolonged.
00:56:35Well, the situation may not get that far, judging by the reaction, what do
00:56:39you think? Well, I, as they say, want to add,
00:56:42they play with toys, let the Ukrainians fight, we will
00:56:45destroy them, as soon as the shooting starts in La Manche, immediately where
00:56:49is the phone, in connection with this, new memes have appeared, I see on
00:56:52the Internet, yes, that besides Lavrov, besides Putin,
00:56:56the well-known Russian lawyer, Dmitry Anatolyevich
00:57:00Medved, also made a statement,
00:57:03after which he reached
00:57:47in Rotterdam everything that concerns where fuel is stored
00:57:50exploded, and this is the largest, by the way, port in the Netherlands, in
00:57:54Europe. And, of course, this is the KNDS plant,
00:57:58German, which also , well,
00:58:00suddenly, strangely enough, at it various
00:58:04explosions occurred, and what is happening
00:58:07in fact, is it a mirrored action, or is it a violation of safety
00:58:10requirements, safety regulations, of course, safety
00:58:13regulations, this only indicates that...
01:02:30Yes, Belarus timely placed tactical nuclear weapons on its
01:02:34territory, entering into an agreement with the Russian
01:02:37Federation, but we see how now Western European countries are trying
01:02:41to do this in a mirrored way. France announced that it
01:02:44will extend its umbrella over everyone, an alliance has already
01:02:47virtually been concluded, there are about a dozen European
01:02:50states that have joined with France, including
01:02:53Germany, in agreements that they will
01:02:57participate in French nuclear exercises. In
01:03:00tests, today Lithuania is openly
01:03:04already geared up for two nuclear carriers, nuclear
01:03:07weapon owners, and is conducting negotiations, it has already been officially
01:03:11announced that negotiations are underway with the USA, with the same France,
01:03:14Latvia has already openly stated that it is ready to deploy nuclear
01:03:18weapons on its territory, that is, if this umbrella
01:03:22is extended to us, God forbid, then
01:03:25it is clear that there will be a war of nerves, who will give up
01:03:28faster,
01:05:00Therefore, the task today is to create a serious
01:05:03international coalition, there is a coalition of willing in Europe.
01:05:06war, we still need to create a coalition of those who don't want
01:05:10war, Belarus will undoubtedly be the first in this coalition
01:05:13of unwilling participants. Alexey, what you said, the method
01:05:17of weakening China, the best for the USA, is war in Europe,
01:05:20the number one trading partner of the European Union -
01:05:23China, the transit route through us, one train one way goes,
01:05:27yes, and of course, as a containment option.
01:07:31Therefore, there is no contradiction between
01:07:35us striving for peace in our land, but also
01:07:39building those pragmatic ones.
01:07:59Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia,
01:08:02Bahrain, Oman and all other players in this
01:08:05region, Iran, we have been communicating very closely with the Arab world
01:08:09for the last month, practically every week, therefore.
01:10:12all the time, well, one cheek, second cheek, third, moved the
01:10:16line, fourth, they made a Maidan, burned in
01:10:20Odessa, burned there, the Russian Federation
01:10:23recognized the elections, Yanukovych was thrown out, deceived, then,
01:10:27then, a bomb, Donbas for 8 years,
01:10:30we had to wait 8 years for Russians to be killed, regardless
01:10:34of whether they were Russians or not,
01:10:368 years, and if it were a Lithuanian for 8 years, I would also be outraged, if it were 8
01:10:40years, much less would have been enough.
01:11:12slanderous statements against our country, which were made over
01:11:16the last 6 years, and maybe then, although I also don't understand, why
01:11:20and with whom? today he Minsk City Executive Committee,
01:11:23Minsk City Council distributed additional, how much there
01:11:27more than 170 million rubles, with whom to talk there, why?
01:11:31I don't understand, the people of
01:11:34Belarus live here, nine-something million, they left
01:11:37there, you want to, come, you don't want to, don't
01:11:41come, and...
01:14:55almost beat him to a pulp, beat him bloody there, that is, it's
01:14:58hatred, you understand, in the conditions in which we live now, in
01:15:02conditions of war, in conditions of this abnormal
01:15:06state of human minds, this hatred still
01:15:09finds a way out, and these unfortunate women,
01:15:13crazy Polish women who started beating guys for no reason on
01:15:16the street, or a woman with a child who beats a driver, what
01:15:20we saw in the footage, well, that's an abnormal state, two main
01:15:23emotions.
01:16:25all social rights are guaranteed,
01:16:27where you have the opportunity
01:16:31to improve your country, even if something is not
01:16:34improved, you leave, you must understand that yes, Belarus
01:16:37behaves civilized, and President
01:16:39Lukashenko says: come, you will feel at home, this is a man of his word, he
01:16:42will keep it, he will not let down those who
01:16:46come here, but in many countries parties change, governments, today the party
01:16:49in power is the one that benefits from
01:16:53migrants coming, they... invited you, used you, and tomorrow
01:16:57a right-wing radical party came, other politicians came, like
01:17:00Trump, he has a different one, and what will happen to you, and what will happen, today they are already
01:17:04given gloves to the police, which is the migration
01:17:07police of the USA, with these built-in
01:17:09tasers, so they can grab you by the throat and lay you down, so
01:17:13think with your own head, that you can only be the master on
01:17:17your own land, and even if you didn't like something here once, you could make it
01:17:21better, improve it, and not fight with your own people,
01:17:55these are wonderful, these were people who, after
01:17:586 years, he doesn't know that this car with
01:18:01a weapon and a pistol was stopped, the
01:18:04driver was thrown out, and people were convicted for this and he... calls it a wonderful
01:18:08event, wonderful people who supported us, a person came, stopped
01:18:11the car, in 6 years he did not see this information, I think
01:18:15the trials have already taken place, with whom to talk, we need to teach in school,
01:18:18and for some, for some, learning will not help, well, everything is
01:18:22in every society, well, wonderful people called for hitting people with bricks
01:18:25in the head in the entrance, uh-huh, I saw, by the way, one of us
01:18:29worked for us, when I saw an excerpt from an interview a long time ago, imagine, already
01:18:33probably four years have passed after this, he says, I couldn't sit, this
01:18:36case when...
01:19:07Best, thank you very much, this was the Editors' Club,
01:19:11we will see you in exactly a week, goodbye.