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00:02:51water has always been the main source of interest for
00:02:55man.
00:03:04joining us for the headlines in front of the city or in front of Basins and fountains are not contemporary
00:03:07researchers from displaced to the west of installations, many historians
00:03:09eco-gestures to save testify to their will it take? Or if it's about presence in ancient civilizations,
00:03:14agenda of evaluations of the
00:03:23the beautification of cities always involves the
00:03:26greening of sidewalks, small squares and roundabouts.
00:03:30but also by the installation of basins, fountains and water
00:03:34points in contemporary designs.
00:03:41Jamal left us only parsley in
00:03:42and meat, your heart is hard as
00:03:48Widely democratized, the fountain is experiencing
00:03:51in the 21st century a significant
00:03:54craze and evolution.
00:04:05were trying to disrupt the smooth oh denier, because of the always present in public up, mama. Let's not
00:04:09places, it is found today sometimes
00:04:12associated with minerals and other times with plants,
00:04:21the proper conduct project of
00:04:27the creativity of designers of water jets and basins.
00:04:28the bag? I put it where I usually put it in mixes elements to create
00:04:32atmospheres and
00:04:34their terrorist scheme, orchestrated from ambiances that will bring to
00:04:36from city dwellers this
00:04:36tie him to the mast so that he could freshness and this took soothing sensation that water
00:04:40emanates in all its forms.
00:04:41east
00:04:50despicable terrorist plot eco-gestures to save
00:05:10its arms, and you were facing
00:07:19and that allowed us, through Mariam's report, to
00:07:23take a little trip here to the Jardin d'Essais, which is
00:07:26open throughout the week, you can come
00:07:30and visit it, it's a moment that we spend, a moment of discovery
00:07:34above all. So, speaking of discovery, speaking of pleasant moments, speaking
00:07:37of supervision, I told you at the beginning of the show, so today
00:07:41we are going to receive an author choreographer who does very, very good
00:07:45work in terms of performing arts, but not
00:07:48only that, because she invests herself, speaking this morning accompanied by
00:07:52our guest, Madame Faïza Mameri, hello, marhaba bique, hello, hello
00:07:56to the whole Canal Algérie team, frankly, I'm very happy
00:07:59to be among you in a mythical place, the
00:08:02Jardin d'Essais, really, thank you very much. So, before
00:08:06we start, I wanted to tell you bravo for everything you do, it's still a big
00:08:09investment you're making, isn't it? So you are
00:08:13an author, you are a choreographer, so you have invested the
00:08:16stage for very, very long years, since I was little, that's it, since you
00:08:20were little, indeed, we talked about it in one of our
00:08:23issues, but today I would like us to go to a very sensitive,
00:08:27very important
00:08:31point, which is this segment of society that is none other
00:08:35than people with specific needs, and yet who never cease to impress us, Madame
00:08:38Amery. Listen, I would say
00:08:42that today they are more visible. Because I think that parents, uh,
00:08:46a few years ago, it was a taboo subject, so many of them didn't take them
00:08:49out much, so now there is, there is,
00:08:53let's say, an awareness from the
00:08:56population, the community, but also, I would say, partly
00:09:00the supervisory authority also that is investing, so we,
00:09:03as I want, I want to say, artists
00:09:07who are very interested in children with specific needs, because I tell
00:09:11myself somewhere, art is open, art is universal, it
00:09:15brings a lot to childhood in general, not just children with
00:09:18specific needs, I say children simply, and
00:09:22my role as an artist is to try to give
00:09:25something of this investment that I have, that I have
00:09:29acquired throughout my childhood, since I was born into an
00:09:33artistic family, and I have this attention and also this
00:09:36love for children, so I told myself, why not
00:09:40take an interest in them and try to... try to give them this
00:09:44access to art, to culture, but also in general to all the
00:09:47artistic sections that I teach at my academy.
00:09:51So what is, let's say, what is the interest they have
00:09:55or what discipline they are most interested in, or where it is
00:09:59easier, let's say, to supervise them? So when they come to
00:10:03us, we take care of them, there are several sections, there is the plastic
00:10:06arts section, the musical comedy, theater,
00:10:09dance, but I would tell you frankly, frankly, the section
00:10:13that interests them the most is dance, it's dance, yeah, it's dance,
00:10:17it's true that it's a moment where you let loose, it's a
00:10:19moment, they let themselves go, they are carried away
00:10:23by the music, and then the... music, you know very well that it liberates morals, it
00:10:27is also therapeutic for them, and this, this action
00:10:31of dancing but also of moving and also going on
00:10:35a theatrical act brings them a lot, and has seen over time
00:10:39because we have been taking care of them since 2009, huh, it's a long
00:10:42journey, it's a 17-year journey, yes, yes, and
00:10:46there have been conclusive results that make
00:10:50it clear that they are fully
00:10:53integrated into society.
00:11:06that's the best, that's the best approach, so they are included with other children, they open the stage, huh,
00:11:10they open the stage, we give them priority, we
00:11:13listen to them and we mix them with all the other
00:11:16children, it's, I want to say, killing two birds with one stone, because
00:11:20on the one hand, you take care of these people who need to be taken care
00:11:24of, but. the children, I will put in quotation marks, the normal children, these are
00:11:27also skills that you instill in them, it's to
00:11:31respect others, to come, sharing,
00:11:34diversity and also, it's also an
00:11:37education, you know there are parents who come to us and tell us, but
00:11:41frankly, you bring so much to our children because it's true that a
00:11:45child, when he sees a child with Down syndrome, he says, oh, but why, but when we integrate
00:11:49them together, there is this sharing, there is this love, it's
00:11:52frankly extraordinary. And I tell myself
00:11:56that thanks to them, I think I have
00:11:59developed my profession even more and it has brought me
00:12:03a lot as a person already, but I suppose that all the
00:12:06people who have walked this path with me have
00:12:10experienced emotions that are limitless,
00:12:13exceptional, exceptional, I imagine, it's an
00:12:16emotion at some point that we can't even
00:12:19explain, it gives them a part of integration
00:12:23into society because it is necessary. You have to know that with the experience I have
00:12:27had with them, there is this aspect beyond
00:12:3018 years, they look for themselves in society, they don't have
00:12:34a place because they can't access jobs, so
00:12:37giving them this aspect of openness to come to our
00:12:41academy, and then there are even some who have had roles, roles
00:12:44of initiators towards others, for example, I have one who is called
00:12:47Fodil, well, you know that now he is a teacher with
00:12:51me, so he is there, he gives advice and he...
00:12:55transmits what he learned with me since 2009, okay, it's very important, you
00:12:59know, yeah, and I imagine, he has the tact
00:13:02for, he has the tact for, he is very, so they also have intelligence,
00:13:06you have to know that they are very intelligent, that's what I say, they impress us every time, yeah, yeah,
00:13:10yeah, yes, the only problem with them is actually
00:13:13learning, learning, you have to know that you have to be
00:13:16very patient with them, when we work with them, we
00:13:20can't get tired, on the contrary, we need to have a lot of patience because it's through
00:13:23repetition that they learn. And repetition can last for months,
00:13:27yes, I know that when I create a choreographic
00:13:30work, well, it's after 4 to 8 months
00:13:34of work that we can present a work,
00:13:37a work on stage, which is also a language, which is a
00:13:41transmission, which is also theater, we talk a lot
00:13:44about their daily lives, about what they feel, we
00:13:48also idealize their hopes, we also
00:13:52project a little bit
00:13:55what they feel themselves, you see, they talk a lot about love, huh, yes, they talk
00:13:59a lot about love, they are very affectionate, indeed, it's a lot of acts of love, they also talk
00:14:03about wanting to get married, I also want to
00:14:07get married, so to have a life uh
00:14:10finally normal, yes, absolutely, absolutely,
00:14:13and so you're doing psychology, literally,
00:14:16perhaps as an artist, I would say yes,
00:14:20you also have to listen, you have to listen, it becomes psychology,
00:14:23yes, it's therapeutic. It becomes psychology, it also
00:14:27becomes listening, uh also, uh talking with
00:14:30parents because parents also, somehow, some are
00:14:33introverted, hmm hmm, so it's a taboo subject, as I told you,
00:14:37yes, and I made a documentary and uh
00:14:40in this documentary I wanted to uh focus on parents, yes, I said
00:14:44uh please try to talk, you know it wasn't
00:14:48easy for parents because for them to talk about their
00:14:52child who has Down syndrome.
00:14:56Yes, it's still a delicate
00:14:59subject and uh I
00:15:02succeeded anyway and some mothers confided
00:15:06in front of the camera and then the children also
00:15:09tried to convey this joy of life in the documentary,
00:15:13moreover, if it were only a dream, and if it were only a dream,
00:15:17that was the title of the documentary, it talked about their dreams, their
00:15:21hopes, their hopes and in this documentary. we
00:15:25idealized and their dream was precisely each of them
00:15:29had a dream, one wanted to be an artist painter, another one
00:15:33wanted to be an actress in reality, huh, in
00:15:35reality. Does this kind of dream also come true? Well,
00:15:39yes, everyone wants it to come true, it's what you do, by the way, yes,
00:15:43their dreams came true, we followed them in the documentary, we
00:15:46followed them in their dreams, there were even
00:15:50partners who associated with us, another Fodil who
00:15:53wanted to be a conductor, so he had the chance to meet the conductor
00:15:57Mr. Lofissadi,
00:16:00well, yes, he allowed us to
00:16:03accompany him in Fodil's dream, we filmed him and it was
00:16:07extraordinary, this sharing, you can imagine, another one who wanted
00:16:10to be an actress, Lydia Base, another one who wanted to be an artist
00:16:14painter, whom we filmed here at the Jardin d'Essais, yeah, okay,
00:16:17it was frankly extraordinary, another one who
00:16:20wanted to be a model, who is magnificent and very, very beautiful, she wanted to be
00:16:24a model and her dreams came true, she
00:16:28approached a big fashion school
00:16:31and that realized Romisaou's dream,
00:16:35another one who wants to be a professional dancer.
00:16:37So you see, well, it's trivial, but it remains
00:16:41that we realized the dream, it's just this listening, this
00:16:45attention, that's what's beautiful, it's magnificent and they
00:16:48return it well too, yes, oh, well, I love them, they love
00:16:52me and we've been together for several years. So, you just
00:16:56mentioned a very, very important point, it's the point about parents, yes, because
00:17:00ultimately, you do your work at your level, but the work must
00:17:04continue at home, it must continue every day,
00:17:07because ultimately, it takes a whole world around these people
00:17:11and indeed sometimes parents feel a little
00:17:14overwhelmed, I always say that all children,
00:17:17huh, so any child does not come with an instruction manual, and so
00:17:21we learn to be parents and when it's a child with special
00:17:24needs, it's even more responsibility, of course,
00:17:28you have to know that parents always tell me, Madame Ameri, because we
00:17:32receive them twice a week, three times even, but not every day,
00:17:35they tell me, but what about the other days? What could we do? Yes, because
00:17:39they are left, as I told you, from the age of 18, they have no
00:17:43place, that's right.
00:17:46So we need to try to think about this question of
00:17:49socio-professional integration, yes,
00:17:52giving them small jobs, access to small jobs, I think that would be good for
00:17:55them to continue because you know, we have seen
00:17:59certain initiatives that were very
00:18:01interesting
00:18:04because in fact, they need simple jobs.
00:18:07To make them responsible in sorting too, in sorting
00:18:11packages, there was a action where, and moreover, from
00:18:15there, the reflection started, you know,
00:18:17for several years I have been with them and I have thought about
00:18:21this question of socio-professional integration
00:18:25and from there I thought about the idea of the
00:18:28festival, yes, so I created, so I
00:18:32am the founder of the "Living Together" festival, this festival
00:18:36in fact is celebrated. for a week because initially
00:18:39we celebrated World Down Syndrome Day
00:18:43yes, so we did actions, we did uh uh shows,
00:18:46we celebrated the National Disability
00:18:49Day, there too we approached
00:18:53disabled people because nowadays you have to know that there are several
00:18:56disabilities, there is visible and invisible disability, and
00:18:59invisible disability is also heavy for parents and these are current diseases,
00:19:03huh, these are new diseases that manifest in children.
00:19:07uh and there the parent is a little
00:19:11lost, they come to us and then art is
00:19:14there to provide this support and accompany the
00:19:18parent to free the child from the invisible
00:19:21disability because when you see the child, you say well there's nothing, like
00:19:24hyperactivity, that's also an invisible disability,
00:19:27other current diseases so
00:19:31precisely Madame Ameri, we have images of you, of
00:19:35your work at your academy. We are going to
00:19:37discover them together and you will just comment
00:19:40on these images, explain a little bit about the activities
00:19:44that you do with these children, so if we can just see
00:19:48this little excerpt, then
00:19:51it's a colossal work that you do, indeed, throughout the
00:19:55year, so not only, not
00:19:58only that, there you go, so tell us a little bit about
00:20:02your work at, well, I would tell you, uh, there was
00:20:05the academy, it's an academy that
00:20:09teaches art in general, that is to say, all artistic
00:20:12sections, that's why we say Academy of Performing
00:20:15Arts, so we teach theater,
00:20:19musical comedy, we teach music, so
00:20:22piano, guitar, violin
00:20:25and also classical dance and
00:20:28contemporary dance,
00:20:33and and so in contemporary dance, that's where the role
00:20:36plays. for children with special needs because it's true
00:20:40that I initiated some little girls in
00:20:43classical dance who had Down syndrome, it was
00:20:46to include them with little ballerinas. In fact,
00:20:50it was a very beautiful experience, but
00:20:53uh what brings them the most is really contemporary dance, why contemporary
00:20:56dance because it is closer to
00:20:59theater, that is to say, uh making
00:21:02a very simple movement, very simple,
00:21:05walking, we're going to see all that in images, let's go, we're going to see all that in images,
00:21:09come on, okay, specific, he gives, he's full
00:21:12of affection, he is always
00:21:16accept him, so indeed there is a
00:21:19will... that should be done in society.
00:21:52so it was an excerpt that we were discovering a little bit of your
00:21:55work and when we see the images, we see that the
00:21:59choreography is solid, huh, so these are not simplistic
00:22:02movements, one gets the impression that we are dealing with professional choreographers, I
00:22:06told you, they are extra, I took them with
00:22:09me to participate for two consecutive years in the festival in France at the
00:22:13House of the 21st Century, the House of the 21st
00:22:16Century is located in Saint-Dié-des-Vosges. in Saint-Dié-des-Vosges
00:22:20in France and they participated in a
00:22:23festival, you know, they made choreographers and
00:22:27psychologists in France cry, they made them cry, they told us, but
00:22:31Madame Ameri, how did you do it, because they, it must be said, have material
00:22:35to initiate their children with special needs, and we,
00:22:38it's simply the love that we give for them and the work, of course,
00:22:42repeatedly, from
00:22:44the beginning of the year until the end, that is to say, they are really included in
00:22:48classes. They learn the academic
00:22:53performing arts like all other children,
00:22:57the year they are really ready, there is a result, we have a result, but
00:23:01otherwise, Madame Mameri, you take them how many times a week, I told
00:23:04you, between two and three times a week, so so ultimately these are
00:23:08regular trainings, the
00:23:11others, that's it, yes, and as certain periods approach where
00:23:14there is the celebration of World Down Syndrome Day, National
00:23:18Day, more intensive where... I told you, I founded the "Living
00:23:22Together" festival which now lasts a week to 10 days and this festival
00:23:26starts from the National Disability Day on March
00:23:2914th until World Down Syndrome Day on March 21st, so it lasts a
00:23:33week, a non-stop week of cultural
00:23:37and sporting events,
00:23:40also a day of
00:23:43semi-professional integration where I even approached
00:23:46company directors who allowed them
00:23:50to do semi-professional experiences with the staff
00:23:54and that's really extraordinary, meaning that this year we
00:23:57are in our 4th edition of the "Living Together" festival
00:24:01so we are really talking about tradition, oh yes, tradition,
00:24:05intense work, investment from my team and
00:24:08myself for them and at the same time for the other children,
00:24:12yes, that's right, for the other children too, these are
00:24:15full-fledged human skills, completely human
00:24:18that they, exactly, so ultimately you make people happy on both
00:24:22sides, happy and then I think I play a role for society
00:24:26too, certainly, it's very important, I make them visible,
00:24:30I make them beautiful, I make them
00:24:34like any person who says "here I am, I
00:24:37exist", that's it, I exist, simply. So it's a
00:24:41choice you made from 2009, it will continue, a choice I've had since my
00:24:45childhood, that humanitarian fiber that is in me.
00:24:49I love children in general, I defend children's rights in
00:24:52general, for me, a child is born to be happy, a
00:24:56child should not suffer
00:24:59the irresponsible
00:25:02consequences of adults, whether
00:25:04it's the responsibilities of
00:25:08war or poverty or misery, when I
00:25:11see a child begging in the street, it touches
00:25:14me enormously, when I see a child suffering, who is also
00:25:18subjected to violence by a... it touches me enormously and I say
00:25:22that a child should be happy, that's it, because he has all the time to be an adult,
00:25:25indeed, indeed, in any case, congratulations, Madame Marie, once again
00:25:29for everything you do, we'll find you again from September, yes, inshallah, for
00:25:33those who still want to register, of course, I tell all mothers who have
00:25:36children with Down syndrome or disabilities to
00:25:40approach Profile Academy, our Instagram page, and to come
00:25:44we have all that for their children, to help them and
00:25:48also so that their children can flourish at... Well, we congratulate you once again and bravo
00:25:52for everything you do, thank you very much Madame Marie for being with us, for accepting our
00:25:56invitation, very, very good continuation, to you and to all those
00:25:59around you, thank you once again and that's it, we've come to the end of our
00:26:02show, thank you very much for watching us, I wish you a very,
00:26:06very pleasant day everyone, enjoy your holidays, enjoy
00:26:12the sea, the beach and I'll tell you very, very soon, goodbye.
00:55:04Mustafa, stop.
01:15:30Wrapped in their secular clothes, the craftswomen
01:15:33adopt the same gestures as their ancestors to weave
01:15:36the famous Babar carpet named after the eponymous village
01:15:4030 km from Hanchla. The women
01:15:43work sitting according to an immutable ritual that
01:15:46begins with wool that is washed and bleached, then the dye
01:15:50that is applied with the same natural pigments for
01:15:53centuries.
01:15:59He wants to make rugs in their command.
01:16:02They love
01:16:05our association specializes in the raw material of the Babar
01:16:08carpet which is wool
01:16:11with the pomegranate peel,
01:16:14beetroot, tea,
01:16:15onion.
01:16:20And each pigment gives a precise color. The pomegranate
01:16:24peel gives this color, the
01:16:28tea gives this one, the beetroot gives
01:16:30red.
01:16:34We prepare the wool at the beginning of
01:16:36each spring.
01:16:43After dyeing, we move on to weaving. Before,
01:16:46weaving was done in groups, people united
01:16:49to make a carpet, but now it's no longer the case. So we
01:16:53spend a lot of time making a
01:16:56carpet, especially when we are alone. We try
01:17:00at all costs to preserve this heritage that represents
01:17:03us and represents our village.
01:17:07Our ancestors,
01:17:08we cannot
01:17:12Then comes the combing, the defelting, the
01:17:15carding, and finally the spinning, each of these
01:17:19steps consists of patiently and tirelessly
01:17:21repeating the same movements one after the other
01:17:25with the same precision until a solid thread is obtained,
01:17:29the central element of an ancient
01:17:31weaving.
01:17:38I master all the steps related to weaving, from
01:17:42carding to setting up the loom,
01:17:45I appreciate each of the different phases of
01:17:48weaving. Carding is an important step in highlighting
01:17:52the thread.
01:17:56After washing and drying the wool, it is passed
01:18:00through this metal basket to untangle it and
01:18:03thus make it more malleable. The next step is
01:18:07carding and defelting. It was my mother who taught me the art of
01:18:11weaving. At first it was difficult, but with time you
01:18:14learn and get used to it. Today, the art of weaving
01:18:18has no secrets for me, it's almost natural, especially since I absolutely
01:18:22master all phases of weaving. The most
01:18:25difficult is the weaving itself, because
01:18:29it requires a lot
01:18:32finesse and precision. We have no room for
01:18:35error, this can be.
01:18:40The wool and the rest are now easy for me, it's something
01:18:43normal.
01:18:46the preparation of the zota loom is a crucial
01:18:50step that can take several hours or even a full
01:18:53day depending on the size of the carpet, and to soften the
01:18:57long and laborious work of weaving, it is approached with
01:19:01good omens, and that is how the preliminaries
01:19:04would consist of breaking candies on the bases, by
01:19:08scattering them with joy on the wooden
01:19:11parts of the loom, essentially composed of metal
01:19:14pieces and wooden planks, azta has been
01:19:17historically the same for
01:19:19centuries.
01:19:27To set up a loom, the presence of at least three women
01:19:30is absolutely necessary: the first installs the base, the second unrolls
01:19:34the wool, and the third places the wood.
01:20:08What you see there is called sfaha, that's the base
01:20:11of the loom. If there is no sfaha, there will be no
01:20:14loom. Before starting, we sprinkle
01:20:18our loom with candies so that the weaving is
01:20:21as light as
01:20:22it is soft.
01:20:27The carpet in my eyes is the one I made for a whole
01:20:31year. I would not sell it for anything in the
01:20:34world, even if I were given more than...
01:20:47tenacious hands weave thread after thread, and
01:20:50wool gradually comes to life while
01:20:53the motifs are elaborated colored or original
01:20:57variegated or plain according to the inspiration or the means
01:21:00available to the weaver. This elder,
01:21:03for example, maintains that natural
01:21:06pigments are currently so difficult to find that she has moved from
01:21:10variegated to black and white, a binary color that does not
01:21:13detract from the charm of an antique
01:21:15Babar
01:21:20carpet.
01:21:2216,
01:21:26I started weaving at the age of 17,
01:21:29practically all members of my family, including my seven sisters, well known in
01:21:33the region, are weavers, so I learned this
01:21:36art at home and very... The Babar carpet is a family
01:21:39affair that was inherited. Before, the Babar carpet
01:21:43was an absolutely essential product since it was used
01:21:46as bedding. It was made in shades that we
01:21:49fashioned ourselves. Before, dyeing specialists would travel
01:21:53to villages to dye wool in different
01:21:56colors with natural pigments that were particularly
01:21:59resistant. Currently, there are fewer and fewer
01:22:02pigments, which has led me to work in only two
01:22:06colors to preserve the authenticity of the carpet instead
01:22:09of altering it with artificial pigments.
01:22:11As the
01:22:15weaving progresses, the geometric or symbolic
01:22:19patterns take shape. In general, these
01:22:22signs and symbols have been the same for generations. However,
01:22:26they can vary depending on the inspiration of the
01:22:29weavers. Of ornamental or simply
01:22:33allegorical value, these signs and symbols can come from
01:22:36nature, the environment or a secret that only the
01:22:40weaver is able to
01:22:42communicate.
01:22:48There was the wedding, the draga,
01:22:52there are different types of Babar carpets, there are small ones that are
01:22:561m by 2m, others are larger, 6m by 3m,
01:23:00it's as we want, the weaver is free to choose the dimensions
01:23:04that suit her. There are carpets intended for the bride,
01:23:07others for ornamentation, others still that are used as
01:23:11covers, the carpet that covers the floor is generally very
01:23:14thick, we even weave small framed carpets,
01:23:18cushions in the bride's trousseau. Cushions and the ornamental
01:23:22carpet are obligatory. The symbol
01:23:25like the one you see here is very common on carpets,
01:23:28but most of the geometric
01:23:32nature and especially from animals. The Babar
01:23:35carpet contains a huge number of signs and symbols
01:23:39that are increasingly undervalued, increasingly
01:23:41undervalued because of its heaviness. We, artisans, are doing everything to
01:23:45lighten it and, of course, preserve this heritage unique to our
01:23:49village.
01:24:12I am a health sector
01:24:16rug maker at the same time. Functions.
01:24:20I also practice weaving, which for me is more than a
01:24:23vocation. I grew up with the loom,
01:24:27it is a central element of our homes and those of my
01:24:31family. I am proud of this heritage, which is a true
01:24:34bridge to our memory. I can tell you that I was weaned on weaving
01:24:38from my mother's milk, she would weave while carrying me on
01:24:41her lap. Today, as soon as I have a little time, I run
01:24:45to the loom with my sisters and my mother, may
01:24:49God protect her.
01:24:54May God protect her and prolong her life. It is increasingly rare for
01:24:58Babar carpets to find buyers due to their
01:25:01high price. Nevertheless, workshops exist in this
01:25:04village that proudly celebrates this heritage as much
01:25:08as the art of weaving is so deeply rooted, so
01:25:11ingrained in the hearts of the villagers that it is
01:25:14passed down from generation to generation.
01:25:17Today, the Babar carpet is even...
01:25:20Stamped as a real jewel that is
01:25:23punched to engrave its eternal
01:25:26purity forever.
01:26:11Good evening, friends, delighted to
01:26:14see you again, so summer in music, it's your
01:26:18appointment during the summer season, we are
01:26:21in, yes, yes, we are
01:26:25the
01:28:03Hello and welcome. As you can see, we are in Cherchell. We
01:28:07came to meet a child of the city, but also a precious
01:28:10witness to what the sea protects at our doors. This is
01:28:14Nazim Ben Saleh, an archaeologist specializing in
01:28:17underwater heritage.
01:29:19Cherchell which continues until today, it started
01:29:22the adventure in 2010 and continues until
01:29:252026 and also with many friends. So through my studies
01:29:29as I carried out my schooling in Cherchell and also the sports I did
01:30:13in Cherchell allowed me to have a network of
01:30:17friends until now, until today. We are going to meet this
01:30:20afternoon, we are going to go to the nautical activities center of
01:30:24Cherchell, the nautical base of Cherchell. We are going to go
01:30:27diving for our greatest pleasure, with great pleasure.
01:30:30born in its arms and... in its history, contributing also to its
01:30:34history? Cherchell is an extraordinary city
01:30:38that that precisely gave me this
01:30:42this inspiration and this
01:30:45this passion which is archeology and also the
01:30:48sea. So I had
01:30:51started very young with my
01:30:54father to go precisely to discover what was under
01:30:57the water, by going fishing for sea
01:31:00urchins, fish, etc. So to discover what was under
01:31:04the water, all the marine biodiversity, and also
01:31:08not only in the sea, Cherchell is also a large forest, so
01:31:12all the mountains of the Dahra, etc. And this discovery
01:31:15also of nature so
01:31:19in general, which
01:31:22allowed me to have to to receive this
01:31:25passion for the sea and for archeology through the different sites in the city,
01:31:29he has this unwavering bond, this heritage that you inherited from your father. He is an archaeologist
01:31:33of course, Abdelkadir Ben Saleh, you were able to restore mosaics,
01:31:37sites too, very young, I frequented archaeological sites with him
01:31:41during the excavations they organized during the 80s,
01:31:43I would mention the excavation, the large
01:31:47excavation of the Boufferic site, it's a neighborhood in Cherchell called Bouffaric
01:31:51and not the city, so very young he took me with
01:31:54him and I already frequented at that time
01:31:57certain people who later became my
01:32:01colleagues. So, already a baby, I must have been 2
01:32:04years old when I started going to the sites with him
01:32:08for the excavations, etc. And I think that
01:32:11unconsciously it made me want to take over the torch, so to
01:32:15speak, and to continue this adventure of archeology, I grew up
01:32:19in a large loving, caring family,
01:32:22etc. My grandparents with us,
01:32:25my father, my mother, so
01:32:28we were really very close, very united, my brother,
01:32:32my sister, and also there was the extended family, so the
01:32:36cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. You went to a small school
01:32:39here, so the small school, primary, CEM,
01:32:43high school before joining the University of Algiers
01:32:462. I followed all my schooling here in
01:32:50Cherchell, from primary school to high school,
01:32:54I did, uh, we'll say
01:32:56like everyone else, the Algerian
01:33:00public school where... I was very happy in
01:33:03Cherchell because we weren't many already
01:33:07and the teachers already made us want at
01:33:10the time to look into
01:33:13the history of this city. It was
01:33:16every year we had to go to the archaeological sites, to the museums, go
01:33:20to the forest, etc. We are in an ancient city, an eternal
01:33:23city that saw King Juba II
01:33:27arrive, his wife Selene
01:33:31Cleopatra. They built a dynasty, they made
01:33:35the city flourish, Caesarea of Mauretania,
01:33:38and you lived in
01:33:42the sea. Cherchell has always...
01:33:46lived through history, its history has never stopped,
01:33:50even if sometimes
01:33:53it, it slowed down a bit, the
01:33:56rhythm, but Cherchell, which was first
01:33:59the capital of Mauretania Caesarea,
01:34:02with Juba II, his wife Cleopatra Selene,
01:34:05after them their son Ptolemy, it
01:34:08continued to live precisely
01:34:13antiquity. Where the rhythm regressed
01:34:16a bit, but it continued to live through
01:34:20precisely the transfer, the transfer of
01:34:23families who came from Andalusia in
01:34:251492, so it came back to life at that
01:34:29time and through Emir
01:34:32Abdelkader with the colonial invasion,
01:34:35the emir came precisely to
01:34:38try to reorganize the revolution, the
01:34:42revolt against the invader here in...
01:34:45cherchelle quand j'ai fini mes études d'archéologie donc je suis
01:34:48parti vers le milieu associatif parce que je sentais que je devais donner
01:34:51justement à la société quelque chose et on avait
01:34:55créé marinostrum euh
01:34:59l'environnement et du patrimoine ici à cherchel qui continue jusqu'à
01:35:03aujourd'hui hein de 2000 elle a a commencé l'aventure en
01:35:062010 elle continue jusqu'en 2026 et aussi avec beaucoup
01:35:10d'amis donc à travers mes études
01:35:13donc comme j'ai effectué mascola. à Cherchel et aussi les sports que j'ai fait
01:35:17à Cherchel m'ont permis d'avoir un réseau
01:35:20amical jusqu'à maintenant jusqu'à aujourd'hui, on va se retrouver cet
01:35:24après-midi, on va aller au centre des activités nautiques de
01:35:27Cherchelle, la base nautique de de Cherchelle, on va voir
01:35:31plonger pour notre plus grand plaisir, avec grand plaisir.
01:36:26I remember well in the 70s we were young,
01:36:30we ventured to the white rock, there
01:36:33was no access, it was wild, we
01:36:37dove, we were with a
01:36:40salapon.
01:36:45And I always dive in that area. One time
01:36:48when I dove, I saw something
01:36:51bizarre. That cannon, that was not
01:36:55clear that it was something from a cannon. And
01:36:57we started looking. Finally, there were cannons, more than
01:37:0123 cannons. There were cannons of 2
01:37:05meters. There were small ones. The small ones are
01:37:09what's left at the bottom in the gallon, and the large
01:37:12cannons are banked. In short,
01:37:15I spent
01:37:17passé
01:37:20more than 2 years. Then I called
01:37:24people who
01:37:25are interested.
01:37:29And there was, there was a, I
01:37:32forgot his name, Amroush, I know Amroush.
01:37:35Well, he changed his
01:37:37activity. There were the marifs who arrived.
01:37:41Association, association, it was Mostafaouna.
01:37:50Uh, then they came, they
01:37:52did the study on the cannons, it was
01:37:56magnificent. So they discovered that the
01:38:00cannons dated back to 1400
01:38:03and it was it was not a
01:38:06battle
01:38:08because there was a bottom that was 6-10 meters
01:38:12deep and suddenly the bottom
01:38:15rises, rises. Yes, it's here that they ran aground and when
01:38:19the galleon capsized, the cannons
01:38:23capsized on the
01:38:26side. They are still there. Yes,
01:38:29he called the army
01:38:32and the museum and
01:38:36the PC too, the wilaya did all that
01:38:39to facilitate things.
01:38:42The Marinostro association.
01:39:57my childhood, more precisely since high school,
01:40:01and he's the one who pushed me a bit to do archeology. So
01:40:04it's with him that I started this adventure of
01:40:07archeology, at the beginning in general, so terrestrial archeology. We
01:40:11shared during all the years of
01:40:15faculty, we shared many moments of excavations,
01:40:18construction sites, trips here in Algeria, inland,
01:40:22abroad. And that's it,
01:40:25it's many years.
01:40:28He gained a lot
01:40:30of experience everywhere, and that's what created
01:40:34this complicity
01:40:37underwater archeology, he did a lot of terrestrial archeology. And then,
01:40:41of course, in the sea or underwater.
01:40:45And it's true that it's very important that the duo
01:40:48must work well together underwater,
01:40:51especially with regard to safety.
01:40:54I think that we were among the pioneers in underwater
01:40:58archeology. We started
01:41:01the adventure about fifteen
01:41:04years ago, when we had just finished our studies.
01:41:08We were already in position, settled,
01:41:11and we said, since we love
01:41:14the sea and we love archeology, why not
01:41:18combine the two and embark on this adventure? The beginnings were not easy.
01:41:22Yes, now when we see the progress made, I think
01:41:26it has come a long way. Not bad. Rafik is the director
01:41:29of the laboratory of historical and archaeological studies
01:41:33of Tipaza. And within
01:41:36this laboratory, he has the aspect of underwater
01:41:40archeology within the center where I work, the CNRA, the National Center for
01:41:44Archaeological Research. Similarly, it launched this
01:41:47discipline of underwater archeology, and so we try
01:41:50to always work in collaboration between our two institutions
01:41:54and also between people. It's important
01:41:57to get along well underwater, as he said, and to have this
01:42:00complicity in reality.
01:42:04First, it's essential for our safety to work
01:42:07with at least two people. Then we form
01:42:11our group. He trained students precisely so
01:42:14that they can support us in our research.
01:42:17He also succeeded in sending
01:42:21students to train abroad, as I did
01:42:25before. We
01:42:27went several times as a group, I repeat,
01:42:31to train abroad
01:42:34in excavations in Greece. He
01:42:36did professional diving in France, etc.
01:42:40And so that allowed us to
01:42:44progress and to make this discipline progress in Algeria. So
01:42:47communicating underwater technically is done
01:42:50through a sign language, if you will, that
01:42:54we learn through the
01:42:57training we do as soon as we start diving. Besides
01:43:00sign language, with, again, this
01:43:04experience and, again, these years spent together, there
01:43:07is a certain communication that cannot be explained.
01:43:11He has always played cards with Nazim, we were partners in card
01:43:15games and our friends always told us, "Oh no, no, you're cheating, it's not
01:43:19normal that you have this communication."
01:43:22Exactly, we played a lot of "going" and our friends told us, "No, no, this
01:43:25communication is not normal."
01:43:27And underwater sometimes I understand him, I
01:43:31know what he wants and he also knows what
01:43:34I want or what I need
01:43:37technically in relation to what we have to do underwater.
01:43:41It's by looking, it's by feeling and it's underwater too, we
01:43:45write a lot, meaning we have slates with us, submersible
01:43:48slates where we can write. So, when it's time
01:43:51to ask Rafik anything, I write to him,
01:43:55he replies in writing. That's when it gets complicated, when we
01:43:58find something we can't explain etc.
01:44:02So we communicate this way, we write first. Then all that
01:44:06concerns diving, we have the diver's
01:44:09signals, conventional, used everywhere in the world,
01:44:12the okay, we go up, we go down, we stop the dive
01:44:16etc. And so that's normal, in addition to
01:44:19this complicity that we both have, or the whole group. The first
01:44:23core of underwater archaeologists was
01:44:26created within our laboratory, the laboratory
01:44:29of historical archaeological studies at the University of Tipaza. And it's
01:44:33here that this laboratory brings together this core
01:44:36of underwater archaeologists. We are and we
01:44:40were six, so from different institutions,
01:44:43Nazimo Seenara, us at the University of
01:44:47Tipaza, another colleague from the University of Guelma, other colleagues who were previously
01:44:50at the maritime museum. So it's all these
01:44:54skills that came together,
01:44:56in a single core, and worked on several common
01:45:00projects. Who dives better than
01:45:04anyone? So technically there are perhaps
01:45:07people who are more competent than others. Nazim is very
01:45:11complete, for example, Nazim, we rely on him for the aspect of
01:45:14preparation, management of dives and
01:45:18projects because he already has the experience, he has the training, the extra he has is that he
01:45:22did a specialized master's in coastal and maritime
01:45:24archeology. Afterwards, I pushed
01:45:28all these beautiful people to go diving, to do
01:45:32this underwater archeology since I had
01:45:35worked previously on this subject on my...
01:45:40But sincerely, everyone has their areas of expertise and everyone has their
01:45:44technical skills in the field.
01:47:09Today. We questioned the silence of the depths,
01:47:13where the sea still protects what was once our daily life.
01:47:17Tomorrow, the tumult of the waves will give way to the nobility of
01:47:20marble. There, at the National Museum of Cherchell, we
01:47:24find Nazir bin Salah, here at the heart of his
01:47:27history, which merges with the history of Caesarea of
01:47:30Mauretania, to bridge the gap between the submerged
01:47:34mysteries and the heritage that we have a duty to protect and to
01:47:37transmit.
01:47:55As we've already said, each object, each piece of
01:47:58this prestigious museum has a
01:48:01story, and a story often linked to your family's history
01:48:05and/or your history,
01:48:07uh, indeed, we are in front of...... this lion statue
01:48:11which was found on a
01:48:14beach next to the Ténès gate in Cherchell,
01:48:17uh, and which would date from the 1st century,
01:48:20uh, apparently, and
01:48:24uh, this statue, it's linked, I
01:48:27would say, first of all, it's my father and his colleague who fortuitously
01:48:30discovered it on the beach, they carried
01:48:34it by hand to bring it to the Cherchell museum,
01:48:37and today it's highlighted. So the
01:48:40second thing is that it's an object that
01:48:42comes
01:48:46the part, the object was
01:48:49found underwater, so naturally it has a history with underwater archeology,
01:48:52uh, that's why we're in front of this object
01:48:56today, it's highlighted precisely at the
01:48:59museum to show what it
01:49:02was used for in the 1st
01:49:05century. So it was a fountain and we
01:49:08see the museum precisely staging
01:49:11it in front of a basin where water
01:49:15came out of the lion's mouth. And so this is perhaps the place where
01:49:18everything was decided for you.
01:49:21Probably? By your father's profession, to whom
01:49:25we pay tribute in this museum, they are borrowed
01:49:28everywhere. It's perhaps from there that it all started, without
01:49:32wanting to influence us, I think that my father did it
01:49:35indirectly. Uh,
01:49:39well, we oriented ourselves by nature or by passion
01:49:43also naturally in this field, in
01:49:46archeology, in history, etc. because we have always
01:49:50been immersed in it in the end.
01:49:52And when we talk about binning, I specialized in underwater archeology.
01:50:20What did your father
01:50:23transmit to you that was most precious in the way
01:50:26of looking at an object, an archaeological object, of course?
01:50:29Uh, I would say that the most
01:50:33important thing was precisely the transmission, this transmission of
01:50:36heritage. It was a motto for him, he always
01:50:39told us that cultural heritage does not
01:50:43belong to us, it's just
01:50:46a message that we must keep and preserve,
01:50:49conserve for future generations. So
01:50:53it's really the motto that I
01:50:56think is the most important that I got from my father. We
01:51:00are in front of a mosaic, a special
01:51:04mosaic, the mosaic of the nine muses. You have,
01:51:07well, special of course for Algerian heritage, for Algerian
01:51:10mosaics, but also because you have a history with this
01:51:14mosaic. Yes, indeed, this this large mosaic which
01:51:18was restored
01:51:20by my father and his team, he had chosen
01:51:24to train people in mosaic restoration
01:51:28in 2002
01:51:31where they completely dismantled this mosaic which was
01:51:34very fragile at the time, so its support was very fragile, they had to
01:51:38dismantle it, lay it on the ground to
01:51:42try to restore it, so tessera by tessera, what we call tessera are the small
01:51:45cubes that make up the mosaic. Once
01:51:49laid on the ground, they were surprised that
01:51:52I remember in 2002 because it stressed him out a lot
01:51:56for the anecdote, it was also that
01:51:59the subsidy stopped and it was at that
01:52:03moment that he gave his speech to the whole
01:52:06team saying, "The mosaic is on the
01:52:09ground, should we restore it or not?" So
01:52:13that's when everyone said, "Okay, very good, we'll take on the
01:52:17challenge." They all contributed to buy plaster,
01:52:20to buy materials, etc. And they reassembled it and
01:52:24here it is today, still standing after
01:52:28more than 15 years, 15 years, 15 years after or
01:52:3220 years after its restoration, it is still standing and present to
01:52:35be seen by future generations for centuries
01:52:39and centuries, and stories, anecdotes,
01:52:42you have many of them in this prestigious place
01:52:46with your father or without your father for that matter. We could say that
01:52:50I acquired this love for heritage, for archeology, so
01:52:53necessarily I had to discover
01:52:57these places myself and also try to discover
01:53:01all that this
01:53:04museum hides, the other museum as well, and the whole city of
01:53:07Cherchell, we could say. It started like that, this love for heritage,
01:53:11it's curiosity that pushed me to perhaps
01:53:14see what's underground and even underwater. So
01:53:18necessarily there's this influence.
01:53:20a very beautiful, magnificent
01:53:50fountain. It's a fountain dedicated to the myth of Ulysses
01:53:53with the sirens, so when Ulysses asked his crew to
01:53:59hear the song of the sirens and not be able
01:54:02to go,
01:54:05it's also a way of showing
01:54:08precisely all the maritime past of the city
01:54:11of Cherchell, which is interested
01:54:15in the myths of the
01:54:18sailors of that time, so all the mythology.
01:54:22And the sailors, etc. And it was also a
01:54:26way to show the relationship between
01:54:30Cherchell Caesarea, so ancient Caesarea and its
01:54:34relationship with the sea. Uh, it
01:54:37allowed me, I would say, to focus
01:54:40and to focus my research to go
01:54:44see what happened underwater, what is currently hidden underwater,
01:54:47and it's, well, it
01:54:51deserves to be looked at and highlighted
01:54:55and preserved
01:54:56too.
01:55:41We are delighted to meet you at the National Center for Archaeological
01:55:43Research, the CNRA of Tipasa, your
01:55:47workplace, also a place of reflection
01:55:50and research. It's a center created in 2017
01:55:54and which has a mission, which is in fact under the supervision of the
01:55:57Ministry of Culture, but which also has a mission to
01:56:01preserve, map, analyze
01:56:04too. Make interventions, many
01:56:07missions that you share with your colleagues,
01:56:10archaeologists for the most part, but you are
01:56:13specialized in underwater heritage,
01:56:16exactly, thank you and welcome to the National
01:56:19Center for Research in Archeology in Tipasa.
01:56:23Indeed, we have several missions in the
01:56:27development of archaeological research here in Algeria throughout the Algerian territory.
01:56:31Uh the center has
01:56:35uh enormously many specialists
01:56:38who come from
01:56:40different
01:56:43uh specialties, not just in archeology. We already have architects,
01:56:46topographers, etc. And
01:56:49uh with all this multidisciplinary approach, I would
01:56:53say, there is uh precisely
01:56:57something to develop, or the center is a
01:57:00good
01:57:01catalyst,
01:57:04a locomotive, let's say, for Algerian archaeology. So this is
01:57:07where everything begins. Okay, but you will tell us how you joined
01:57:11after studying at the University of Algiers
01:57:152, University of Buzereha. You did a
01:57:18normal archaeology course, yes, yes. How did you
01:57:21how did you, let's say, get into the water, into underwater
01:57:25heritage? Indeed, uh I
01:57:28first started as an archaeology student at the University of
01:57:32Buzera, as you said. Uh I
01:57:35then did a master's degree here in Algeria.
01:57:38Uh then I went to
01:57:41specialize, so after working at
01:57:43OGEBC, I did my specialization in underwater
01:57:47archaeology abroad where I participated in a
01:57:50master's degree that has a UNESCO chair called
01:57:54Master of Maritime and Coastal
01:57:57Archaeology. The Montmarc exactly in
01:58:01Marseille, and uh it was from there that, let's say,
01:58:05uh the real research
01:58:08in underwater archaeology began, because I was able to acquire techniques that I
01:58:12didn't have before. I was self-taught, even if I was diving, I was doing my
01:58:16research on underwater archaeology, but it was from this master's degree that I
01:58:20was able to acquire the techniques uh that are used around
01:58:23the world precisely uh to be able to do purely
01:58:27scientific research and
01:58:30adapted to underwater archaeology. Exactly. Basically, when you
01:58:33do you are... at that time, there was no module
01:58:37dedicated to underwater heritage. It was later,
01:58:40the work was undertaken
01:58:43notably by the researcher Hamoum, but how did you get
01:58:47into the water? The sea is already a childhood passion, like archaeology,
01:58:50right? So after how to combine the two, well, I didn't
01:58:54see any other way than to do precisely this
01:58:57specialty by trying to combine the two,
01:59:01the sea and archaeology. And what made me...
01:59:05what pushed me to
01:59:08go searching in other horizons for what was being done,
01:59:12etc., in order to develop this discipline
01:59:16uh in Algeria. At the time, there was
01:59:19no such specialty. It was not
01:59:23specialists who had previously
01:59:27done this discipline, and so there was a
01:59:30lack, and that lack had to be filled, and I think
01:59:33that at the time I had made the best decision to go
01:59:37and develop myself in this field to then
01:59:40try to develop it and be
01:59:44among the pioneers in this field. It was really close
01:59:48to my heart. You did restoration, you touched the remains on dry
01:59:51land, but what is the difference with the
01:59:54heritage that is underwater? It is still a heritage,
01:59:57it is also remains, it can be artifacts, it can
02:00:01be jars, well, it can be a lot
02:00:04of pieces. I would say that the underwater environment
02:00:07better preserves archaeological artifacts. So
02:00:11uh the English call it
02:00:14a time capsule, so a time
02:00:17capsule that is underwater, and it's up to us to go and
02:00:21discover it because it remains intact in general.
02:00:25Uh it is not modified by
02:00:28any entropic aspect whatsoever over time.
02:00:32Uh on ancient cities, for
02:00:36example, there is this succession of
02:00:39civilizations. Uh so each civilization tries in a
02:00:43way to displace another or erase another. But
02:00:46underwater, there is no such aspect. That is to say, what we find
02:00:50underwater remains intact until its discovery, apart
02:00:53from some alterations due to the environment, etc.,
02:00:57but the erosion of time, the erosion of time, also
02:01:00the water, when the object is underwater, it is better preserved
02:01:04because it does not oxidize, so it has less oxygen,
02:01:07and obviously oxidation does not alter the archaeological object.
02:01:10And every time we discover something underwater, generally
02:01:13we are amazed by the beauty of the thing because it remains intact
02:01:17and we find it as it was
02:01:20lost at the time. When you come across an ancient object, a piece of
02:01:24remains, you should especially not move it and
02:01:27take it out, especially for those who fish underwater, because
02:01:30normally those who do it, there is prevention to be done anyway
02:01:34from that side. It's one of the first steps to take, I would say,
02:01:38because the awareness of the general public, we have done
02:01:41a lot
02:01:44to raise awareness among the general public not to take objects out of their
02:01:47environment. From an archaeological point of view, we should not
02:01:51decontextualize the object
02:01:54because once removed from its context, the object historically or
02:01:57scientifically is worthless. Uh so we are trying to
02:02:00raise awareness among people not to take objects out of their
02:02:04context, but also to take them out of the marine environment
02:02:08abruptly can lead
02:02:11to the destruction of this object, and we will never be able
02:02:14to preserve it over time. To keep it for future
02:02:18generations, that's one of the objectives. You've been at the CNR
02:02:21since 2020. You have already joined. You
02:02:25also teach from time to time at the university
02:02:29the underwater module. Since
02:02:312020, six years now, do you have
02:02:35an idea, I think a mapping has been done, but do
02:02:39you have a more developed idea
02:02:42about Algerian underwater
02:02:45heritage? Uh we are in
02:02:49constant discovery, I would say, with a coast that
02:02:53is quite important, more than 1600 km of coast for
02:02:56Algeria. Uh so
02:03:00we are in constant discovery and are waiting for the
02:03:04people of the sea to declare what is needed because we can never
02:03:08go by ourselves and prospect the entire Algerian coast which is immense
02:03:12anyway. Uh and also the number of civilizations
02:03:15that have succeeded each other. You organize campaigns very often, so
02:03:19first to train young archaeologists to dive
02:03:23to perhaps locate objects and to be able to work
02:03:27too because all your work is done underwater, even
02:03:31in terms of measurements, in terms of everything that is
02:03:34usually done on dry land. You do it, it's the same technique,
02:03:38it's not the same techniques underwater, okay. But on
02:03:41the other hand, precisely in my free time,
02:03:44I try to participate with my colleagues,
02:03:47researchers, teachers. university to precisely
02:03:51train a generation of underwater archaeologists
02:03:54who would possess these techniques that are specific to underwater
02:03:58archaeology, among others underwater surveying, for example, which
02:04:02differs from underwater excavation, which is not quite the same, etc. So
02:04:05there are certain aspects that are very similar. We do archaeology even underwater,
02:04:09it's still archaeology uh but precisely
02:04:13we try to transmit all this to others,
02:04:17to others. to the young generation.
02:04:19Uh it would perhaps require more
02:04:22resources in this field, because this
02:04:26field specifically requires more resources.
02:04:29Uh to learn to dive, so it would be necessary
02:04:33to first acquire the technique to go underwater,
02:04:36uh it's the only way that exists
02:04:39to make archaeological discoveries and also
02:04:43other technological means, I would say, to develop this
02:04:47discipline. Uh whether it's
02:04:50underwater photogrammetry, underwater robotics, for example,
02:04:54etc. There are times when it's so deep that even we can't
02:04:58go down, so we call on what is done abroad, at
02:05:02the international level, which is that robots replace
02:05:05humans at significant depths.
02:05:08Uh I participated, for example, in an international mission
02:05:13UNESCO as an expert for Algeria.
02:05:16So I participated in this expedition
02:05:20uh which went around the Mediterranean between the Strait of Sicily,
02:05:24the Tunisian coasts, etc. And uh the
02:05:28archaeological artifacts, the wrecks, discovered
02:05:31during this mission were at a very important depth, more than 800 meters
02:05:35deep, and so for us as human beings, we did not have the possibility
02:05:39of going to these depths. Uh we had planned
02:05:42to send robots, and it was the robots that were able to bring us
02:05:46the images of these discoveries. Uh which
02:05:49was extraordinary. So yes, yes, we should
02:05:53advance in this field with new technologies.
02:05:56Can we imagine that one day there will be... I mean, just like
02:06:00the museums of Algeria, that there will be a
02:06:03national underwater museum?
02:06:06We
02:06:09could envisage that, yes, already all the underwater archaeological
02:06:12sites can become visitable
02:06:15museums. For that, it can be a
02:06:18good, it can be a good tourist attraction for
02:06:21Algeria, a showcase too,
02:06:25to say that we have this cultural
02:06:28diversity, this... historical richness
02:06:31also that is underwater and that people can
02:06:34visit. So it's really a goal to
02:06:38achieve because once the discovery is made, once the
02:06:42research is done, once everything is documented, then we
02:06:46can open these sites to the general public who come and
02:06:49visit. Uh the public is quite
02:06:52uh trained in underwater diving techniques, so
02:06:56there are many diving clubs that train amateur divers, etc.
02:07:00Uh so all these people, yes, can come and visit these sites.
02:07:04That would be a goal to achieve after the research. Yes,
02:07:07in the long term, can we consider it for the
02:07:11Del Hamdania site where there was a
02:07:14discovery of 23 cannons,
02:07:18I think, which tells us about a point in our
02:07:21history, a battle that took place between Khairdin and
02:07:25the French
02:07:28during, let's say, the 17th century, I think. We
02:07:32found cannons indeed in Alhamdaniah. Honestly, we
02:07:36don't have enough clues to say if there was a
02:07:38battle, if there was, etc., if there was anything else, but what is certain
02:07:42is that we found 23 cannons indeed underwater and
02:07:46uh these cannons are at a very accessible
02:07:48depth, they are well preserved as long as they remain underwater.
02:07:52Uh so yes, it's a site that can be
02:07:55visited in the very near future. We
02:07:59can, we can... consider precisely opening
02:08:02certain sites like that for the public to discover. It
02:08:06just takes preparing these sites,
02:08:09let's say, and preparing, sensitizing the people who will
02:08:12visit these sites not to touch anything, not
02:08:16to damage the archaeological site and not to damage the marine
02:08:19biodiversity, which is important, but divers are supposed to know that. It's a
02:08:23major event, the discovery of the 23 cannons
02:08:26of Hamdaniya where many things happened...
02:08:30quickly, uh perhaps a teaching
02:08:33module at Algiers university
02:08:35dedicated
02:08:37to underwater, and also protection measures
02:08:41with regard to UNESCO, all engaged by you, by
02:08:45the University of Algeria, by the CNRA, by
02:08:48also Mr. Hamoum who was Algeria's representative at
02:08:51UNESCO. Yes, I would say that the site of the 23
02:08:55cannons of Hamdaniah was the White Rock, more precisely,
02:08:59was a major discovery. So the discovery was made in the
02:09:0290s, yes, by a local association
02:09:06in Cherchell Maârif. Uh they made this discovery
02:09:09there. They had taken
02:09:12photos at the time, right? We are in the 90s.
02:09:15And uh subsequently, uh there was
02:09:19a colleague from the Cherchell Museum who had done
02:09:21uh uh a study on
02:09:25his bachelor's thesis on this site, and
02:09:28then I and Professor
02:09:31Rafiq Lef
02:09:35over the archaeological site to
02:09:38deepen the studies. The Maritime Museum also intervened, so there was
02:09:42an enthusiasm, let's say, for this site in terms of
02:09:45research where finally we
02:09:48all focused on this site to try to
02:09:52shed light on this discipline. That was, I think,
02:09:55the objective at the time. It was, well, we
02:09:58finally saw many underwater sites. We just need
02:10:02to discover them and bring them to light, and this allowed
02:10:05us to create a research unit in
02:10:09underwater archaeology within the CNRA, which also allowed
02:10:13the University of Tipasa to develop
02:10:16this discipline within the laboratory of archaeological and historical studies.
02:10:19Uh there is also the maritime museum which has acquired
02:10:23equipment and a team, etc., and so this created this
02:10:28underwater archaeology, which has been very beneficial for this
02:10:32discipline. Now we need to discover even more
02:10:36sites precisely to see all the diversity and the
02:10:39historical richness. Speaking of RF. We will
02:10:42find him later, we will find him on the site of the Roman ruins.
02:11:57I hope we didn't make you wait too long. Not at all, but we
02:12:00were impatient to discover this site and especially its history, its
02:12:03ancient history. We are as we said, in
02:12:07Saint Salsa at the entrance of Tipasa and we
02:12:10are facing a magnificent country. Yes,
02:12:14after crossing the ruins, we arrive in front of the two islands,
02:12:18but they are not just simple islands, they are islands that
02:12:21hide an emerged
02:12:25heritage that could perhaps represent
02:12:28the ancient port of Tipasa, the presumed ancient port of
02:12:31Tipasa. Exactly. So you need to know that the Tipasa park is
02:12:34divided into two parks in reality, the east park and the west
02:12:38park. The east park is known as Saint
02:12:41Salsa, but... compared to the necropolis, but what
02:12:45few people know is that here, as I said, there is the
02:12:49presumed port. Why presumed? We know that there are structures,
02:12:52that an ancient port did exist here. Is
02:12:56it the port of the city of Tipasa? The question
02:12:59mark is still posed. Uh why? Because as
02:13:03you can see, the site is a bit far
02:13:05from the port, so the port should
02:13:09normally be located
02:13:13the city center. We have conducted research. So
02:13:16in reality, in 1968,
02:13:20the University, the English University,
02:13:23conducted sonar surveys, which were
02:13:27revolutionary at the time, and they confirmed the presence of
02:13:30submerged structures, namely the jetties of
02:13:33the port and the basin where
02:13:37boats came to dock. We started
02:13:40by uh conducting archaeological prospecting
02:13:44work as part of our research projects, where we
02:13:48confirmed the presence of these structures, we confirmed the
02:13:51presence of the port through, of course,
02:13:54dives, images, photographs, and
02:13:58videos that we were able to take. But also this project
02:14:01was uh taken up or was also
02:14:04the subject of several final year
02:14:08thesis topics by students. We also
02:14:12uh worked on this port
02:14:15during a study on the archaeological potential
02:14:19within the framework of the underwater archaeological
02:14:22zone requested by UNESCO, and our
02:14:24colleague Nazim recently took up the file within
02:14:28the framework of the buffer zone
02:14:32the ancient city of Tipasa. So in clear terms, for
02:14:35us simple viewers, simple
02:14:38Algerians, how to understand what exactly is
02:14:42underwater? You have done diving
02:14:46campaigns, diving operations, and
02:14:50with Nazim Ben Saleh or others, with
02:14:53other colleagues too. Uh there
02:14:56are difficulties. Sometimes we can't see very well, as the
02:15:00question arose at the port of Hamdania. The
02:15:03visibility may not always be present.
02:15:07So what can we see and what can we see clearly?
02:15:10So what characterizes the port is its
02:15:14basin, and the basin is delimited by jetties.
02:15:17So to identify the presence or absence of a port,
02:15:21you need to identify the presence of the structures
02:15:24which are the jetties. We have clearly identified them. We can
02:15:28take them from the islands, from the islands
02:15:31towards the coast, from the two islands, as you can see, and
02:15:35inside, so a basin is formed. The basin is
02:15:37flat. So since it is closed, we were able
02:15:41to find many
02:15:45remains, among others during the last operations we did with
02:15:49Nazim, in partnership with the National Center for Archaeological Research,
02:15:52we found anchors, many amphorae,
02:15:56which was the proof that the area or the basin had
02:15:59a period of occupation because sailors, when they arrived
02:16:19Okay. Do we have a rough
02:16:23date? So the port uh uh by the structures, you should know that
02:16:27on the islands there are structures that have been built also,
02:16:31uh by also the few archaeological
02:16:33elements, we can say that it is a port that was
02:16:36developed during the Roman period, so
02:16:40not before. We know that the city of Tipasa is known
02:16:44to have a presence since the Phoenician
02:16:47periods with archaeological evidence dating back to the 6th century BC.
02:16:51There, perhaps we will talk about the first
02:16:55century and a use of the port
02:16:58perhaps until the Tartif period. So we could have more
02:17:02details on the buffer zone requested by
02:17:05UNESCO and on this heritage or what this zone will
02:17:08represent in terms of heritage? Yes, yes, it's a
02:17:11project that brought together a lot of people and was multidisciplinary, especially because
02:17:15there was the CNRDPA, the National Center for Research for the
02:17:22the University of Tipasa and the Maritime Museum. And it was
02:17:25led by the National Center for Research in Archaeology, so it was the CNRA that led this
02:17:29project and conducted the prospecting along the entire
02:17:33coastline of the city of Tipasa where
02:17:37we wanted to see the archaeological potential that was
02:17:42from UNESCO to create a future buffer zone for the archaeological
02:17:46site of Tipasa, the archaeological sites of Tipasa.
02:17:50This allowed us to discover other places, right? Which were not yet
02:17:53discovered, the Roman Bank. In addition, in addition to the port
02:17:56of Tipasa, we discovered what is found
02:18:00on the maps as the Roman Bank. We found a lot of archaeological
02:18:04material, including anchors uh quite
02:18:07imposing and amphorae, etc., which suggests
02:18:10that ships, before entering the port,
02:18:14would drop their anchors while waiting to get a place in the
02:18:17port. They would drop their anchors in that specific place
02:18:20uh waiting to get a place in the port
02:18:24to... show very well, thank you very much, thank you for this
02:18:28beautiful journey through time, but especially regarding
02:18:32all that is done on underwater heritage. Thank you very much, sir.
02:18:54Thank you.
02:19:16We received instructions
02:19:19from members of the MAK movement, led
02:19:22by Ferhat.
02:19:25To prevent
02:19:26the elections
02:19:29A criminal group consisting of six
02:19:32Algerians and four
02:19:36Moroccans residing illegally
02:19:40in Tizi Ouzou province
02:19:42were attempting to disrupt
02:19:46of the legislative elections.
02:19:48However, the vigilance of the army intelligence services
02:19:52was vigilant. It was
02:19:55vigilant against these failed
02:19:57attempts.
02:20:03Social media platforms such as TikTok, Facebook,
02:20:06and WhatsApp were used by activists of
02:20:10the terrorist MAK movement
02:20:12to carry out their from abroad,
02:20:16which aims to foil the success
02:55:28We received instructions from members of the
02:55:32MAK movement, led by Farahto Mani,
02:55:35to cut off and prevent
02:55:38the elections.
02:55:41A criminal group consisting of six
02:55:44Algerians and four
02:55:47Moroccans residing illegally
02:55:51in Tizi
02:55:54Ouzou
02:55:58running of the legislative
02:56:00elections. However, the vigilance of the security
02:56:03services of the Central Directorate of Army Security was
02:56:07ready for these failed
02:56:09attempts.
02:56:14Social media platforms such as TikTok, Facebook
02:56:18and WhatsApp were used by activists of the movement to implement
02:56:26abroad, which aimed at foiling the success
02:56:30of the legislative elections in
02:56:33Algeria.
02:56:36He used to do live broadcasts with groups from France of the MAK, those
02:56:40who boycott the elections and the secession
02:56:42of Kabylie. They discussed these
02:56:45matters. When he arrived there
02:56:48in Morocco, we had a cell there consisting of three
02:56:51people, myself, Jamal
02:56:54Za'im and Zargag Al-Hadi.
02:56:57And
02:57:00there was Aksal Belabbasi. Many of the MAK go to
02:57:04Morocco. Groups of the MAK go to Morocco completely
02:57:08to find their comfort. And then
02:57:11some go to Europe, some stay for eight months in Morocco.
02:57:15They find it a refuge that helps them and they carry out
02:57:20Morocco, look, we have a comfortable class,
02:57:23and the land,
02:57:26I mean, the land is under that. That's it. We were oppressed in Morocco. We don't
02:57:29say there is oppression in Morocco, injustice, work
02:57:33was not scarce. Life was difficult.
02:57:37As a message, as a message to the youth
02:57:39and to all the people of the
02:57:42Kabylie region, don't be mistaken
02:57:46and don't let them mislead you. Don't let people mislead you.
02:57:50Foreign agendas are not
02:57:52even Algerian or even
02:57:55Kabyle. Politics and foreign
02:57:59agendas
02:58:00of the Makhzen.
02:58:03The terrorist organization MAK has failed another
02:58:06of its
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03:00:09immediately.
03:00:12The Prime Minister chaired a video conference meeting with the Walis in the
03:00:15presence of numerous ministers on the
03:00:19general situation of several regions of the country as well as the
03:00:23measures to be taken to ensure a successful social return 2026/2027.
03:00:27réussie.
03:00:32The Sonatrach group and the Algerian Angris company signed two
03:00:35engineering and construction contracts as part of the implementation
03:00:39of the first phase of the integrated phosphate project in
03:00:43Bladeba in TBSA.
03:00:47The national drilling company completed the final touches.