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00:00:00in common is the opposite of immunis. So what the
00:00:03neo-Pentecostal evangelists are telling you is not communis but immunis,
00:00:07that is, think of yourself, save yourself, ask God
00:00:10to make you rich and you ignore others. So
00:00:14of course, we live in a world, as I said, where there is no society for everyone, where everyone is pitted
00:00:18against everyone, where you say vote for me, because I am the politician who authorizes you to be a
00:00:21scoundrel and a rogue. I have to disqualify those who
00:00:25propose collective solutions, being supportive of idiots, compassion
00:00:29is a thing. contrary to life itself,
00:00:32I come with the chainsaw, society doesn't exist, as Margaret
00:00:35Thatcher said, and that's why one of the central battles that we
00:00:39have to fight is for a new common sense, to tell
00:00:43these people what madness they are doing. Let's see, and we
00:00:46already have that common sense written down, and we
00:00:49need to promote it. We don't
00:00:52have it written down. It's just that they haven't been like this for 50 years.
00:00:56This started in 19 73, but we who
00:01:00think differently, who think about the common good, all of us because we have all become
00:01:04a bit neoliberal, all of us,
00:01:07because we have been doing this for 50 years. For example,
00:01:10if a child comes to their parents and says, "Dad, Mom, I want
00:01:14to study philosophy,"
00:01:17what a disappointment you give me,
00:01:20not redistribute income, the no, I mean, how much I love you for that good heart, but how are you going to study philosophy, how are you going to make a living,
00:01:24they ask, it's again money, money as
00:01:29before dying, before he went to the most important god.
00:01:31So we are internalizing that, we are internalizing a series
00:01:35of behaviors, because life is
00:01:38Latinos, no, well I think that one of commodified, no? So it's very hard for us to understand that we have
00:01:41to do things for which we are not paid, to recover those verses from Machado, every
00:01:45fool confuses value and price, and that requires
00:01:48time, and that's why I've always liked López Obrador so much with
00:01:51that intuition he had, he proposed
00:01:54many things, in his approach to fighting the
00:01:58neoliberal model, he was clear that he had to have ideological
00:02:01firmness, no, he who does not have clarity in ideology will not have
00:02:04clarity in organization, he understood clearly that he had to
00:02:08be consistent between what he said and what he did, he was clear that he had to
00:02:11communicate in a different way, he was clear that it was necessary to govern and that people
00:02:15noticed that you governed, he noticed that a movement party was needed and
00:02:18he noticed, he knew that Mexican humanism was needed, and
00:02:22Mexican humanism is changing common
00:02:25sense, where people think that this
00:02:29is a fight of everyone against everyone because there is no
00:02:33society for everyone, he said let's change the way of thinking
00:02:36and let's try to recover in the history of Mexico
00:02:39that community element that
00:02:42has allowed us to resist, that has
00:02:45mentality of cattle rustlers from allowed us to build the 4T, that allows us today to withstand a bit the
00:02:47onslaught of a madman like Donald Trump, the narrative
00:02:50triumph of López Obrador is great and the interesting thing is
00:02:54that he built his narrative while he was
00:02:56traveling through the country, he has recognized. narrative because
00:03:00he was traveling through the country, both things, but for example, several
00:03:03phrases uh, first the poor for the
00:03:07good of all is a phrase that has to do with Evo
00:03:10Morales, this, this phrase
00:03:13dividing political power from economic power is not what it seems, because
00:03:17Marx told us, that's why I told you that
00:03:19because if you we are interested in the forest of Marx and not so much the trees, Marx told us that the revolutionary
00:03:22subject is the working class, well today no, today the working class is a
00:03:26part of the revolutionary subject, but so are women, look.
00:03:30Indigenous people are also and separating political power from
00:03:33economic power, a merchant told
00:03:36him on the side of the road,
00:03:40I believe it has been a narrative triumph of
00:03:42you need help, call the life the left in Mexico, it makes sense according to polls to
00:03:46more than 70%,
00:03:48this, although in
00:03:51social state, in favor of daily life people live a
00:04:05companion of the Latin like Homer, now that Christopher
00:04:09Norland's Odyssey is in fashion, I thought
00:04:12that Odysseus, Odysseus, you know, is the Greek name
00:04:15and Ulysses is the Roman name they give to
00:04:19evident, no, just as one of Odysseus, Odysseus is the
00:04:21people, in this case the Mexican
00:04:23people,
00:04:26who return, there is Penelope
00:04:30weaving and
00:04:47a success that the right doesn't dare say his name in
00:04:50Mexico, that's how big it is. Now let's talk about Donald
00:04:53Trump, Donald Trump, it seems to me, what he wants
00:04:57is to dominate every country in Latin America that he
00:05:01considers his backyard, and be able to call on the phone
00:05:04and give orders like a CEO of a transnational
00:05:08company, that's the medium. Now the narrative disaster is
00:05:11impressive. For Mexico, he says what they have to
00:05:15do is intervene because there is a narcogovernment, for
00:05:18Cuba there is no effective government,
00:05:22for Venezuela
00:05:24eh it's Maduro, not Maduro who was the head of the
00:05:28Cartel de los Soles, which doesn't exist, in
00:05:31each country he has a different narrative, it's
00:05:35very, it's very difficult to understand
00:05:39Trump's narrative because it doesn't exist, the only narrative is the...
00:05:42said: I want to subjugate every Latin
00:05:45American country and make them part of the North
00:05:48American empire. Do you agree that that is the goal,
00:05:51as a Spanish group used to say, they give us bread and
00:05:55circuses, but less and less bread and the circus is worse, no, eh,
00:05:59it's very good though, the look, I was telling you that the United States has
00:06:03always done the same thing, but who were the friends, but
00:06:06not so blatantly so
00:06:09fast, also Juan Carlos, the speed of this.
00:06:12The difference is that they have always negotiated,
00:06:15damn it, they negotiated with Bin Laden, they negotiated with Saddam
00:06:19Hussein, eh, they negotiated with Suharto who
00:06:23killed more than a million people calling
00:06:25them communists, the United States has always negotiated, but it had a
00:06:29narrative of decency and of
00:06:31exporting democracy, of course, it had three narratives, above all, one
00:06:35was no war, because there is nuclear disarmament, there are
00:06:38multilateral bodies such as the International Monetary Fund, the
00:06:41UN, the World Trade Organization, and in third place
00:06:45we defend democracy. That narrative no longer works for them, so at the same
00:06:48time that they accuse Nicolás Maduro of being a drug trafficker, they release
00:06:52Juan Orlando Hernández, who arrived yesterday, yesterday
00:06:55a guy arrived in Panama who was sentenced to 45 years
00:06:59for trafficking 500 tons of cocaine, and they
00:07:03release him after payment, we have to understand that the American government is a
00:07:15the narrative is Marco Rubio with the gentlemen of the
00:07:18Pentagon who have narrative rooms, it's becoming
00:07:21increasingly stupid. You have this text about Cuba, world capital
00:07:25of the empire, you read it and you say, if a student of mine wrote this stupidity, I would
00:07:28fail him because it's made with artificial
00:07:37that you are not on that list of global villains, no,
00:07:41I have my... visa
00:08:05Iglesias, with someone named Monedero, if we
00:08:09surnames for the system, but they don't care,
00:08:22right, you are savages, that is, the
00:08:25Pentagon and Marco Rubio are
00:08:29conservatives in that sense, they try to create
00:08:32a narrative and Trump pays attention to them and then he gets desperate
00:08:36and says no, no, no, it's invading, it's
00:08:39doing business, yes, but Marco Rubio too. I mean, there
00:08:43is one thing that people have to understand is that all these far-right people who
00:08:47have replaced the right, Pope Leo XIV was recently in
00:08:50Spain and was almost
00:08:54crying out in the desert, please let Christian democracy return,
00:08:57because he was saying where is that Christian democracy
00:09:01that was in favor of the
00:09:04laws, in favor of a just system and that has been
00:09:08swept away all over the world by the far-right. Christian
00:09:12democracy has been swept away by the fascist Giorgia
00:09:15Meloni who comes from the party of Giorgio Almirante who was a minister of
00:09:19one of Mussolini's governments, the Spanish Francoist
00:09:22right, eh, do you think that's going to happen in Mexico,
00:09:26I mean, that Salinas Pliego is going to sweep away the
00:09:29PAN and PRI right? Here you have a
00:09:33fortune, it's that López Obrador
00:09:36has helped this people identify with absolute
00:09:39clarity who are the culprits of the catastrophes.
00:09:42So just as the right on almost all sides has blamed the
00:09:46left and that weighs, and the only thing that unites these rights is the
00:09:50hatred towards the left, here people identify those
00:09:53responsible for Fobaproa, for the massacres
00:09:57of Sinapa, for the inequalities
00:10:00of
00:10:03eh a
00:10:22time, is she playing chess? she's inherited that she's
00:10:26telling an endless story to Trump hoping that
00:10:30he'll disappear,
00:10:32of course, but that's the smart thing, I
00:10:36with all the leaders I've been able to talk to, my recommendation is
00:10:39that, that the left already has enough martyrs, dialectics is
00:10:43that, understanding when you can push, when you have to give in, when you have to
00:10:46share with that idiot the
00:10:49end of the World Cup of football, when you have to stand up to him,
00:10:53here I go, here I don't go, this is not
00:11:25people receive a welfare program because honesty and
00:11:28love for the people yield results. Government of
00:12:15warms my heart because they are convinced that
00:12:18Trump is going to hand over power to them, what they don't
00:12:22agree on is to whom
00:12:25they are going to hand it over, to Salinas Pliego,
00:12:29are they going to hand it over to the PAN, are they going to hand it over to the
00:12:32PRI, they don't know, they are very uncertain
00:12:35about that, they never talk about it, but they remind me
00:12:39of the girlfriends of machos,
00:12:42who are waiting for them, they just say
00:12:46whoever you choose, who will Trump choose,
00:12:49I hope it's not Trump who has to make that decision because he's already
00:12:53out, no, uh. of any responsibility, but yes,
00:12:57you are right that the Mexican right is
00:13:01well, it's so desperate that it has to call Isabel Díaz
00:13:04Ayuso to come and offer the Mexican right a
00:13:07mass to Hernán Cortés in the Zócalo, you say, you have lost the
00:13:11Oremus, you are so desperate that you understand nothing
00:13:14at all, I mean, it's crazy, no, no, it's on the verge of psychosis,
00:13:17this, I mean, a country conquered, a right on the verge of a nervous
00:13:21breakdown, is a modoborian right.
00:13:25Yes, but, I mean, there is a character we don't want in our
00:13:28history, it's Cortés, of course, he says Ayuso arrives, what
00:13:32did they give her, they gave her some cards, no,
00:13:36like three cards in which they
00:13:39informed her what Mexico was, what
00:13:47Court that annoyed Loret de Mola very much,
00:13:51I was saying that you didn't behave well at all because
00:13:56we agreed to bring Díaz Ayuso here for 10 days and
00:13:59you returned her to us on the seventh, no, it was a compensation for sending
00:14:03Peña Nieto, Calderón, Salinas to Madrid, it was
00:14:07a form of historical compensation, but it seems that
00:14:11you did not agree and when Díaz Ayuso said that you
00:14:14are savages, I thought well, they are somewhat savage because they haven't
00:14:18endured it for even 10 days,
00:14:20no, Ayuso said it afterwards when she went to Spain
00:14:24on the seventh day and blamed the government, you have left me alone,
00:14:56But, uh, in any case, they call Cayetana Alvarez de Toledo to come
00:15:00here and scold them, I come to defend the sovereignty of Mexico and you are
00:15:03not very right-wing,
00:15:06learn from uh from Bukele, build
00:15:09mega-prisons, it's an absolute absurdity, and it's
00:15:13also, as you said, a bit sad because you say, the Mexican
00:15:16right has to rely on a country that has just
00:15:19lost 136 votes to
00:15:22nine, a vote in the United Nations after Donald
00:15:26Trump had threatened that whoever voted against
00:15:29the United States would face tariffs and so on,
00:15:32no, it's hard, I mean, it's a moment, but what is it, a
00:15:36distraction, a lack of culture of our
00:15:39right-wingers, how do you explain it, really, it's a
00:15:42narrative disaster, it's like saying, uh, that they don't know the country,
00:15:46because it's true that in northern Mexico there is a very strong closeness with
00:15:50the United States, no, and that is real and we have to understand it, many people study
00:15:54there, they mix, but nobody wants
00:15:57Cortés,
00:15:59no, but, but, but they don't want a confrontation with the United States, with the United
00:16:03States the situation is more complex, so it's different here in
00:16:07the city. Mexico or in the south, that is, I believe that Claudia
00:16:10Sheinbaum has an intelligent attitude of trying to
00:16:13appease, being aware that you cannot fight against
00:16:17someone who is objectively stronger than you, I mean, half
00:16:21of the world's armament budget is managed by the United
00:16:25States, they export almost 20% to you,
00:16:28that is, they have to get along
00:16:31well, I mean, there is a geographical curse of
00:16:35Mexico and you have no choice but to try. uh, well
00:16:38manage it with awareness, I think it's very
00:16:41important for the 50 million Mexicans in the
00:16:44United States, something that one of the intelligent rogues
00:16:48from the United States noticed, who was, uh, Samuel
00:16:51Huntington, who was the teacher of Francis Fukuyama, the one about the end of
00:16:55history, and his last book, after having
00:16:58pointed out that the enemies were the leftists, the
00:17:01Soviets, the Arabs, uh,
00:17:06meet John Paul. world, eternity, he wrote a book called
00:17:10How We Are, where he said that the enemies of the United States were
00:17:16the important tasks of the
00:17:18American government, sorry, of the Mexican government is to understand that in
00:17:22North America, in the United States there are 50 million
00:17:25Mexicans with rights who must be cared for and I
00:17:29know, I have, I have a friend who is a
00:17:33consul and she writes terrible things about the ICE raids, it's
00:17:36terrible.
00:17:40And the Mexican-American community, who are already
00:17:43naturalized Americans, don't know what to do, that's what I
00:17:47told you, that in general
00:17:49the progressives in the United States
00:17:53are not succeeding in facing this regime change,
00:17:57little by little, that is, it's not immediate, no, no, that requires
00:18:01more time and I think we have to have
00:18:09of course, assuming this forces us, it's that we have to
00:18:13start almost from scratch to explain basic
00:18:16things, that is, we have to understand that we have to go back to
00:18:20explaining that there is society for everyone, that it is
00:18:24a lie that society does not exist, what
00:18:27does uh the historical liberalism of the
00:18:3019th century
00:18:33mean, and we don't have an international narrative,
00:18:37the... and we should have it, for example, Trump's
00:18:40narrative is, if it's already
00:18:44transparent that the goal is to make a subordinate
00:18:48colony of each Latin American country, but for example, you don't
00:18:51hear the left say, yes, and what about China,
00:18:55we never talk about China, the Latin American left, how is
00:18:59it possible that we don't talk about China, except in Brazil, that they not only
00:19:02talk about China, but they have made big
00:19:06deals with China
00:19:09that keep them safe
00:19:12from Trump's invasion, yes,
00:19:15yes, the big story of the United States is that China has
00:19:18surpassed them, there is an Australian institute that
00:19:21measures 72 technological products,
00:19:254 years ago the majority were led by the United States and
00:19:29now the majority are led by China, no,
00:19:32of course we have to negotiate with China, but it's not our model either, let's not fool ourselves,
00:19:36no, but it's a... on the board that we don't talk about
00:19:39and that should be a traveling
00:19:42American left because geopolitics is not about ideology, when
00:19:46we think in geopolitical terms we have to think in terms of national interest and
00:19:56the things that Trump has tried to break brutally and that's why the Shield of the
00:20:00Americas that goes against UNASUR and against CELAC and that's
00:20:03why this brutal pressure and that's why the strategy.
00:20:07national where it says that whoever humbles himself, whoever kneels to me will have a
00:20:11space here in the third circle of courtly
00:20:15power and whoever misbehaves I will eliminate him as has happened in Honduras, as has
00:20:18happened in Colombia, as he wants to happen in Brazil and as he will operate
00:20:30rage that the continent has caught against Argentina, no, and
00:20:34Argentina is not to blame for having this.
00:20:37crazy person who doesn't take his medication, who is no, well, but Argentinians also
00:20:40hit us a lot with their, but they are not Argentinians,
00:20:44they are not Argentinians, they are four
00:20:46idiots who are, uh, spokesmen
00:20:50for the interests of
00:20:53the United States, no, so it is very important that you recover Latin
00:20:57American unity, Mexico will not solve the big problems alone,
00:21:00it needs to recover continental unity, that's why they hated
00:21:04Fidel Castro so much, that's why they continue to hate Cuba, Cuba that doesn't even have food
00:21:08or light, Cuba, world capital of terrorism,
00:21:11but stop messing around, stop lying, the terrorists of the world are
00:21:15you Americans who have always been cheating all over the
00:21:19continent. And fomenting coups and now they are making a medieval
00:21:23siege against Cuba to try to create a crappy narrative that absolutely
00:21:26no one believes because they remember that Fidel Castro
00:21:30said we can't do it alone, we have to unite the whole continent and a
00:21:34rhetoric that was regional because he had a lot
00:21:36of lucidity, well of course we have to recover that
00:21:40internationalist idea because they are winning, I mean, in the last
00:21:433 years it's been a debacle of the
00:21:46continental left.
00:22:01govern, they are proving what a mistake
00:22:04they make to govern, well, they govern for a
00:22:07minority and therefore they will
00:22:10most lucid moment of the capitalist system
00:22:14they paid with Roosevelt from
00:22:17about $250 of income, from then on. they paid
00:22:2090% of every dollar they earned, 90 cents
00:22:24went to build schools, hospitals,
00:22:27roads, that is, in contrast to these guys, this communist
00:22:31called Roosevelt, no, of course, it's that Donald Trump has earned in what
00:22:35he has been in government 4,500 million and the New
00:22:38York Times says it, we don't say it for his personal pocket, the bad leftists,
00:22:42no, he has pocketed 4,500 million and
00:22:45Bukele has pocketed I don't know how many and Miley has pocketed I don't know how many,
00:22:49his sister, they are stealing.
00:22:59I want my share of the loot, it's that we have to understand that the United States is a great predatory
00:23:01company,
00:23:05if you pay them, that is, an Israeli lobby
00:23:09puts money and they get paid and
00:23:12they release a drug trafficker like the
00:23:15former president of Honduras, they release him, they don't care, they release him
00:23:19because they have paid. It's all a business and a guy here like, for example,
00:23:22Ebrard understands that well, he knows that with the gringos
00:23:25he says: how much do you want, how much do you have, how much do I give you, how much do I get,
00:23:29that's the only negotiation and suddenly because they have that
00:23:35Western movies they invade,
00:23:38uh, I mean they do it with Venezuela and they are stealing their oil, wanting to establish
00:23:42a protectorate there, the Venezuelan government is saying we have to
00:23:45hold on because if they dismantle us as happened for
00:23:48example in Libya, this country will never recover, they are doing it
00:23:52in every country in Latin America, of course, but for us it doesn't work, in Iran it doesn't
00:23:55work and suddenly they have a huge problem and
00:23:59suddenly they have to sit down and negotiate, this is why I think Mexico is doing
00:24:03well by standing up to them, by pushing, by yielding,
00:24:06apretando, cediendo,
00:24:09put yourself at their mercy and kneel, they
00:24:13will massacre you, they will invade you completely, they will devastate you, so do
00:24:17you think the president is buying time, she's playing
00:24:20chess, it's a tale that is
00:24:23telling an endless story to Trump, hoping that
00:24:27he will disappear, well, of course,
00:24:30but that's the intelligent thing, I,
00:24:33with all the leaders I've been able to talk to, my recommendation is
00:24:36that the left already has enough martyrs, I don't want more martyrs, there's
00:24:40a left that's crazy for martyrs,
00:24:43pray in a convent and don't mess around, no, I don't want more
00:24:46martyrs, no, a soldier who flees serves for another war. That's
00:24:50the right strategy, of course it's strategy, you have to be in a
00:24:53world where we have to be like light, sometimes you are a wave, sometimes you are a particle,
00:24:57everything is very flexible, dialectics is that, understanding when you can push,
00:25:01when you have to give in, when you have to share with that
00:25:04imbecile the end of the World
00:25:08Cup, when you have to confront him, here I go, here I don't, this is a
00:25:11business, that is, this is a man who for the
00:25:15rest of what remains of American justice, he stops the tariffs saying they are illegal
00:25:18that Congress has to approve them. And he looks for, you know, the United States
00:25:22that supports dictatorships in the Middle East, that has
00:25:26supported dictatorships in the world says no, there is forced labor
00:25:29and uses an indirect law to raise
00:25:33tariffs, no, it's the bankruptcy of the American narrative, we no longer
00:25:36believe, the only thing we only
00:25:39believe is that they are imperialists, which we already knew,
00:25:43but they didn't say it, now at least we have
00:25:46that certainty now,
00:25:50and these votes in the United Nations, 136 votes
00:25:54against nine, despite the threats that whoever voted against the United States
00:25:58would suffer the seven plagues of Egypt, no, so I think
00:26:01that... let's be conscious, I think it's very important, I told you, at least
00:26:05that's my position, there are things that need to be explained again from scratch,
00:26:09the new generations have a conceptual
00:26:13rupture, no, that's why I like that Marx is
00:26:16recovered, no, but we also have to recover Marx in what
00:26:20serves, not what doesn't, each generation
00:26:23Marx, each generation, and the interpretation of Marx in the 21st
00:26:27example, because in Marx's
00:26:30logic, the... realism thought that growth
00:26:34although it's true that there are elements of
00:26:38Marx that have allowed some authors
00:26:42real, just as you cannot recover Marx as
00:26:45died in 1883,
00:26:48he's a man with whom we must continue
00:26:52understand the elements
00:26:55del feminismo, hay que incorporar eh a Rosa
00:26:58Luxemburg, we have to reincorporate
00:27:02understand the imperialist elements, we have to
00:27:05include Dussel, Enrique Dussel to understand the
00:27:09decolonial elements, we have to continue growing, no, we don't have to read
00:27:12Marx as if he were an Instagram, Ludovico Silva used to say that if parrots
00:27:16and macaws and cockatoos were Marxists, they would be orthodox
00:27:20Marxists.
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