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00:00:19And we continue talking about the relationship between Mexico and
00:00:24this, and what Peru, good news for the region where Latin America bets on diplomatic bridges
00:00:27and peace. It is worth remembering that in
00:00:30December 2022, when the Peruvian Congress
00:00:35David Kerzenovic was the first decided on the
00:00:37with adequate quality and removal of Pedro Castillo, several presidents took a stand on the matter, including
00:00:41Gustavo Petro, Luis Arce, Alberto Fernández, Nicolás
00:00:45Maduro, Díaz Canel, and Andrés Manuel López Obrador, but above all
00:00:49Andrés Manuel López Obrador sought to grant political asylum to
00:00:52his family. This generated tensions. Once José
00:00:56Yeri became president of Peru, he also mentioned
00:01:00the hostility or unfriendly actions that existed on the part
00:01:03of Mexico, not only due to the political positions
00:01:07taken in defense of Pedro Castillo's government, but
00:01:10also due to the political asylum granted to Betssy Chávez. A few
00:01:14weeks ago, it is worth remembering that the UN determined that
00:01:18these detentions were arbitrary, meaning Mexico and its
00:01:21allied countries were always right. Today, the
00:01:25president mentions how relations between Mexico
00:01:29and Peru were broken and, above all, the impediment to
00:01:33Betssy Chávez's asylum after 200 days of waiting, where at
00:01:36this moment, in a few hours, she will be arriving in our country. Let's
00:01:39listen.
00:01:42Well, in this case, it is a good message, obviously,
00:01:46in this case, uh, it was
00:01:50the previous government of Peru that had decided to break relations with
00:01:54Mexico, due to a position that
00:01:56we expressed, uh, for the
00:02:00release of President
00:02:04Castillo, but also
00:02:08so I met with uh, the one who was one of his
00:02:12secretaries, the foreign minister
00:02:14of Peru at that time,
00:02:17asked for political asylum in Mexico and went to the
00:02:21Mexican embassy
00:02:23and was not allowed to leave for Mexico,
00:02:27despite the fact that all the...
00:02:30international treaties allow her departure. Mexico
00:02:34at all times followed the international criteria
00:02:38and norms and
00:02:41treaties.
00:02:43On their part, they decided to break relations.
00:02:46We protected Betsy Chávez,
00:02:50we asked Brazil at the time to take charge of the
00:02:53Senasica, which is an institution of embassy, she remained in the embassy
00:02:56all this time and now that... the president
00:03:00Fujimori is
00:03:03her initiative to call
00:03:06Mexico, she calls
00:03:10the foreign minister, she personally tells him
00:03:13topic also present at that she wants to resolve the Betsy Chávez issue
00:03:18was mentioned by the and that she is willing to grant the safe conduct when she becomes president.
00:03:22From there, a communication process with them begins
00:03:25until today, I understand that she has already landed.
00:03:287:43 at 7:43 she landed, she
00:03:32is already in Mexico. At all times, Roberto
00:03:35Velazco told her that we had a position on President
00:03:39Castillo. She said that she
00:03:42understood, that he was undergoing
00:03:45a judicial process in Peru, but that
00:03:49it was her desire to reestablish relations with
00:03:51Mexico.
00:03:54Mexico is a friend of all countries in the world, Mexico
00:03:58seeks to maintain good diplomatic relations with all
00:04:01countries in the world. Today, the president highlights the good
00:04:05relationship that our country has with all
00:04:09countries in the region, with Europe, also with Africa,
00:04:13with Asia, she highlights cases of solidarity
00:04:16that our country has shown, for example, with humanitarian aid that
00:04:19it sends to Cuba, with the support that Venezuela
00:04:23has needed, with the earthquakes it recently suffered, with the
00:04:26fires in Canada, with the fires in the United States.
00:04:30Mexico always maintains good diplomatic relations
00:04:34and if support is needed, help from Mexican hands,
00:04:37Mexico is always willing. Yes,
00:04:40the framework of the constitution and of course, there are countries that have disrespected our country, that
00:04:44have committed grievances, for example, when Daniel
00:04:47Novoa, the current president of Ecuador,
00:04:56subordination, defense of for himself. Let's move made the decision that Ecuadorian police would enter the Mexican embassy in Quito,
00:04:58violating international treaties,
00:05:01disrespecting, humiliating the Mexican
00:05:05diplomatic corps in the embassy, well, in that
00:05:08case, well, Mexico tries to maintain
00:05:11dialogue, but it remains firm, Mexico
00:05:15must be respected and Mexico is a friend to all peoples of the
00:05:19world, listen to this,
00:05:22beyond the political orientation of
00:05:25governments, it is important that Mexico has
00:05:28diplomatic relations with the world. In the
00:05:32case of Ecuador, we don't have them because they
00:05:35invaded the Mexican embassy in Ecuador, it's
00:05:38something completely different, there is an
00:05:41offense. our sovereignty.
00:05:44But
00:05:47in other cases, we always seek the best
00:05:50friendly relations with all peoples of the world, because
00:05:54that is Mexico's foreign policy, which is established in the
00:05:58constitution, and at the same time we defend the self-determination
00:06:01of peoples, as is the case of Cuba,
00:06:05whose self-determination we will always defend,
00:06:08non-intervention, and the
00:06:11solution for any controversy, as established
00:06:15in our constitution, and from Mexico, humanitarian
00:06:18aid to the whole world, as we have
00:06:22done historically, we recently did it with the
00:06:25fires in Canada, and we continue to do so.
00:06:29Recently, we also sent two other ships to
00:06:32Venezuela for the people who experienced
00:06:36this terrible earthquake. A ship is also
00:06:40arriving or a ship is leaving for humanitarian
00:06:43aid, because Mexico is like
00:06:46that, the Mexican people are generous,
00:06:49generosity is Mexico's
00:06:52hallmark.
00:06:55And Mexico's leadership in Latin America has not been
00:06:58marked by impositions, but by the solidarity it has
00:07:01shown to allied and friendly countries. Above
00:07:05all, this has marked the historical diplomatic
00:07:08path, that is, for those commentators,
00:07:12before the right and fascism who say that President Claudia
00:07:16Sheinbaum helps other countries more than ours, which is
00:07:20a lie, we remind you what happened in Spain with
00:07:2325,000 Republican intellectuals, among them Luis
00:07:26Buñuel, who arrived during the Civil War in the 1930s, or
00:07:30as was the case of Evo Morales in 2019, or as is
00:07:34the case of Ecuador, where former President Jorge
00:07:37Glass also came to our country, Chile,
00:07:41Argentina, where military dictatorships led Mexico to
00:07:44be an open space in the 1970s
00:07:48and 80s, in Central America,
00:07:51Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, is the case of the
00:07:54historical exiles from Cuba or in the case of the Soviet Union
00:07:58in the 1930s, where even revolutionaries like
00:08:02Leon Trotsky came to our country, that is, the diplomatic
00:08:06path and the role that Mexico has played is historical and
00:08:09fundamental to continue building bridges around
00:08:13the world, and above all, it is a way in which our sovereignty is defended
00:08:17with dignity and solidarity. There is the good news,
00:08:20Mexico and Peru resume diplomatic relations. Another
00:08:26this Friday's morning conference in Palacio Nacional was the
00:08:30Ayotzinapa case. Why? Surely you already know,
00:08:33because it is a headline on radio and television
00:08:36and also on the front pages of most national newspapers.
00:08:40The former PRD governor of
00:08:43Guerrero, Ángel Aguirre Rivero, was arrested. Aguirre Rivero
00:08:47was governor when the tragic Ayotzinapa
00:08:50case occurred, the tragic night, the
00:08:53ill-fated night of Iguala, where 43
00:08:57Ayotzinapa students were forcibly disappeared.
00:09:01He was arrested because the investigations of the Attorney
00:09:04General of the Republic point to the fact that the
00:09:07governor in charge concealed
00:09:10evidence of this case,
00:09:13manipulated the investigation.
00:09:16Interviews with parents of the students celebrate the
00:09:19arrest of the former journalist governor.
00:09:22They hope that he can provide
00:09:26clues to reach the truth of what happened
00:09:29in that case. Today, President Claudia Sheinbaum highlights the
00:09:33progress of the investigation, she recalled that there are three new lines of
00:09:37investigation, remembering that it is not only the work of the prosecutor's office
00:09:40but also the work of the Undersecretariat of Human Rights,
00:09:44also the work of the special commission for
00:09:48the case, and now, now scientific
00:09:51evidence is sought,
00:09:54and not the declaration obtained under torture. You will recall that
00:09:58when the historical truth was obtained, the
00:10:01prosecutor's office, the then attorney general Murillo Karam
00:10:05obtained, well, accounts,
00:10:07testimonies with torture, people who were
00:10:11involved in the case who were tortured
00:10:14and then released precisely because it was obtained under
00:10:18torture. Now scientific evidence is sought, and
00:10:22after months of investigation, it was found that the former
00:10:26Ángel Aguirre Rivero does have responsibility.
00:10:30This is what President Sheinbaum said
00:10:33this morning. I would not like to give
00:10:36details, uh, because it is part of a process and
00:10:39it is also the responsibility of the Attorney General of the
00:10:42Republic. What I can say is that the Attorney
00:10:45General of the Republic and the support they have
00:10:48received in the analysis
00:10:52of intelligence and investigation.
00:10:55with new ways of
00:10:57investigating,
00:11:00it can be the same evidence, but now
00:11:03deepening
00:11:05uh, through different mechanisms, many of them scientific
00:11:09analysis,
00:11:11allow us to continue seeking justice.
00:11:15So this detention has to
00:11:19do with work that the prosecutor's office has been doing
00:11:22for many months, and they will have to continue
00:11:25providing the evidence for this detention, why it
00:11:29happened, under what circumstances.
00:11:32There are investigation files that contain
00:11:36testimonies, some of which were made
00:11:39when that false historical
00:11:42truth was given, let's say, and some
00:11:46later, uh,
00:11:49when President López
00:11:52Obrador arrived. So all those files, well,
00:11:55are present.
00:11:59There are many
00:12:02telephone call records from that night and later
00:12:05that the new prosecutor did was
00:12:08to review
00:12:11in more detail and with other investigation
00:12:14tools these telephone calls and their
00:12:17links between people. At the
00:12:21same time, the case of one of the buses that stops at
00:12:25the palace of justice
00:12:27and the recording of that moment. There are several
00:12:31lines of investigation that the prosecutor's office is following. More
00:12:35people have been arrested, some of whom had never
00:12:38appeared as possible culprits.
00:12:41In short, there are different lines of
00:12:44investigation, but the ultimate goal is to know the
00:12:47truth, to do justice and to find the
00:12:51young people, which is the commitment we made to the mothers and fathers.
00:12:58The Ayotzinapa case is not only about seeking
00:13:01justice for the families who, by the way, demanded
00:13:05the arrest of former governor Ángel
00:13:08N, now detained, it is also
00:13:11justice for our country, for the youth of today,
00:13:14of the past and of those to come, for the young
00:13:18students, for all those Mexicans who
00:13:21took to the streets to protest for the disappeared
00:13:25who occurred during the government of Enrique Peña Nieto, for the
00:13:2843 who are still missing and so that their families can
00:13:32find peace, that is why it is important to talk about how technology
00:13:35also becomes a form of social justice,
00:13:39and when we talk about technology, we are talking about geospatial
00:13:43analysis and calls that did not exist at the time, where
00:13:46an investigation of the calls, messages and
00:13:49metadata of the students on the night of
00:13:52September 26, 2014 was carried out.
00:13:55Unalterable digital traceability, use of phone records,
00:13:59communication antennas to locate routes and movements
00:14:02of municipal police, commanders, avoiding lies that
00:14:06may exist in statements and confirming
00:14:09them with the statements made at the time. Advanced forensic
00:14:13software with tools for recovering and
00:14:17processing digital information to
00:14:19connect networks of complicity.
00:14:22This is also put into service not
00:14:25only for the Ayotzinapa case, but as technology
00:14:28seeks to be a tool for disappeared
00:14:31people in our country, Miguel. Precisely
00:14:35the cross-referencing of this scientifically obtained evidence,
00:14:39the cross-referencing of this scientific evidence, with the testimonies
00:14:42is what has allowed the recent capture, detention of
00:14:46more than 10 people in President Sheinbaum's government,
00:14:4910 people involved in the Ayotzinapa case
00:14:52and the arrest of the former journalist governor.
00:14:55It represents that there are no untouchables in this
00:14:59case, yes, we must remember Murillo Karam, who was president during Enrique
00:15:03Peña Nieto's term. Well, it is a demand that the parents
00:15:06and Mexican society have. In addition,
00:15:09with the cross-referencing of this scientific evidence, the owners
00:15:12of an irregular funeral home in Iguala, which was
00:15:16used for the alteration of
00:15:19remains and evidence, manipulation
00:15:21of evidence, has been arrested, in many cases, in addition
00:15:25to the capture of a former judge from Iguala who is
00:15:28involved in the concealment, in the
00:15:30alteration of the records in the Ayotzinapa case,
00:15:34the president reiterated, assured,
00:15:38that she will do everything in her power during
00:15:42her administration to ensure that justice
00:15:45for the parents of Ayotzinapa finally arrives. Listen,
00:15:47I will put
00:15:51all my effort, all my energy, all my
00:15:55will so that it will be so.
00:15:58The parents know
00:16:01is very
00:16:04promising about the new investigations
00:16:08that are being carried out is that
00:16:11at least there is more information than was
00:16:14available until September 2024
00:16:16that allows progress.
00:16:19There
00:16:23is something that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
00:16:26is doing very well, and that is defending the
00:16:29interests of Mexicans when there are conflicts,
00:16:32international allegations by companies. We saw
00:16:36it recently in the Vulcan case, which lost almost,
00:16:40almost all of its lawsuit, it asked Mexico for a fortune,
00:16:43for asking Mexico, the Mexican government asked Vulcan not
00:16:47to destroy the flora and fauna of the region
00:16:51there in Quintana Roo. Well, Vulcan said, how can you not allow
00:16:54me to destroy nature, if I was given permits to exploit
00:16:58the materials in this area? Well, Mexico, Mexico
00:17:02won, Vulcan lost almost everything.
00:17:05And another international case is one that
00:17:09has to do with Ricardo Salinas, I explain,
00:17:12known in our country as the great tax
00:17:16evader and also known on social networks
00:17:20as Trump's lapdog, why? Because let's not forget that Ricardo Salinas
00:17:23Pliego is raising his hand, seeking
00:17:27to be the candidate of the right and conservatism for the next
00:17:30presidential election. Of course, sympathizing a lot
00:17:34with Donald Trump, paying money for his parties.
00:17:37Looking to see if he's invited to the big international
00:17:40meetings, well, that's why he earned that nickname
00:17:44as Trump's lapdog. Well, the companies, Ricardo Salinas
00:17:48Pliego's lawyers, were looking to
00:17:51get rid of debts he has abroad, in
00:17:55the United States. Well, recently an
00:17:58international arbitration favored Mexico, in
00:18:02the case of TV Azteca's creditors in the United
00:18:05States. He considered that the resolution
00:18:09derived from the work of the foreign ministry was quite
00:18:12good, which also worked on the Vulcan case.
00:18:15How much money are we talking about that
00:18:19Mexico saved? Saved, let's see the
00:18:22details.
00:18:26This team that works in the Ministry of Economy
00:18:28uh, related to
00:18:32uh, legal work in international
00:18:35tribunals is very good. The truth
00:18:39is, we already talked about the case of Vulcan, of
00:18:42Calica, uh, which was a very good
00:18:46resolution in
00:18:49the sense that there could have been a problem with NAFTA, but it
00:18:53was neither the amounts nor what
00:18:56company. We can give more details later
00:18:59because for now there is still a period of
00:19:02a few days to be able
00:19:05to give more information.
00:19:08In this case it was the
00:19:11same,
00:19:13because there
00:19:16was
00:19:20a trial, let's say, in
00:19:24which they wanted the
00:19:27Mexican state to be involved in this
00:19:29issue,
00:19:31and finally they said: no, the Mexican state has nothing to do with it, in a
00:19:35nutshell. So this person... well, he
00:19:38still has a trial there, but we have nothing
00:19:42to do with that.
00:19:45And Trump's lapdog is not only a subordinate of Donald
00:19:49Trump, he is also a criminal in other countries, it is the case of the
00:19:53Southern District Court of New York which has determined his
00:19:56debt of 630 million dollars. It is the
00:20:00case of precisely the International Court of the World
00:20:04Bank that determines the debt of 219 million
00:20:07dollars and the list goes on. It happens in the case of the United Kingdom where
00:20:11he has also been classified as serious
00:20:14abuse for espionage, even among other
00:20:17businessmen or the case of AT&T, that is,
00:20:21he wants to be president, but he does not pay taxes, he has international
00:20:25problems and above all he cannot even stand up
00:20:30on.
00:20:30sigue.
00:20:36To everything.
00:20:42And today, the Secretary of Health, David
00:20:46Kashenovich, was present at the National Palace, because you
00:20:49know that recently, in some media and social networks,
00:20:53our country was unfairly accused, without proof,
00:20:57of causing explosive diarrhea
00:21:00in the United States. It turns out that, yes, in the United States
00:21:04they have had a problem that some people have gone to health
00:21:07centers due to stomach infection.
00:21:10Some politicians used this case
00:21:13to blame a lettuce from Mexico
00:21:17for causing this explosive diarrhea
00:21:20in some Americans. Today, Jorge
00:21:25to talk about cyclosporiasis,
00:21:28a bacterium that is present in
00:21:32countries of the northern hemisphere, worldwide,
00:21:35Mexico is no exception. David
00:21:38Kersenovic explained that studies have been carried out and
00:21:41it is ruled out that there is a problem with cyclosporiasis
00:21:45in our country at this time, listen.
00:21:48This
00:21:51is an intestinal infection caused, as
00:21:54I told you, by a parasite. It is
00:21:57treatable, no deaths have been
00:22:00reported anywhere. It is therefore
00:22:03of very low
00:22:07mortality. The characteristic
00:22:09is that it starts 2 to 14 days
00:22:13after consuming contaminated food or
00:22:16water, and it manifests as a very
00:22:20explosive diarrhea that is controlled
00:22:23after 48 to 72 hours,
00:22:26and in some cases it requires
00:22:30hospitalization to hydrate the
00:22:33person, especially when they have nausea
00:22:36or vomiting. There are different types of
00:22:40cyclospora, but only one known as
00:22:43cayetanensis affects humans,
00:22:46and it is the parasite that is present worldwide.
00:22:50It occurs mainly between May
00:22:53and August annually, in almost all
00:22:57countries, and it does not appear in
00:23:00common stool tests, but
00:23:03requires, as was the case with COVID, molecular
00:23:06PCR tests to detect this
00:23:10infection. What happens in Mexico? We have cases
00:23:13annually, however, they are very
00:23:17few. In Mexico, we have had 33 confirmed
00:23:20cases as of July
00:23:2431st, and if we take into
00:23:27account our population, this has an incidence
00:23:31of 0.000
00:23:332% of the
00:23:37population and it repeats annually.
00:23:40There is treatment and no one
00:23:44has died.
00:23:45He specifies
00:23:49that cyclosporiasis is an infection
00:23:52caused by a parasite, an infection caused
00:23:55by a parasite, cyclosporiasis, and so far, well, it is
00:23:59ruled out that there is an alert in our country, although it is the
00:24:03season, from May to August is when cases
00:24:06of cyclosporiasis are presented, Harlin,
00:24:10that's right, and this morning recommendations were given that you
00:24:13can do at home to prevent this disease,
00:24:17which at the time is to wash fruits, vegetables with
00:24:21clean and potable water before consuming
00:24:24or cooking them, wash your hands with soap and water for
00:24:2820 seconds before preparing food, before eating
00:24:31and after using the bathroom, consume potable
00:24:35or boiled water, this is also spoken
00:24:38fundamentally not only for cyclosporiasis
00:24:42but for all diseases, we must have hygiene at home.
00:24:46Also today, the head of Cofepris, Víctor Borja,
00:24:49reported that since 2020
00:24:51Cofepris has received 20 notifications of outbreaks, some
00:24:55of them accompanied by Senasica and Cofepris and
00:24:59the FDA say they make visits to companies to ensure that
00:25:03export processes are carried out with adequate
00:25:06quality, which is done in a preventive manner and it is worth
00:25:10understanding that Cofepris is one of the few
00:25:13international certifications that exist in Latin
00:25:16America. This also of relevance. The
00:25:20last report we received
00:25:21was about salmonellosis
00:25:25possibly
00:25:31associated with chilies of Mexican origin, serrano
00:25:34chilies, this was reported by the
00:25:36FDA on July
00:25:3931st. This salmonella outbreak, which had not
00:25:42yet been identified, as to who was
00:25:45the distributor, on August
00:25:485th we were notified that the
00:25:51distributor could be a packing plant located in Nuevo León.
00:25:54We have already seen who the producers are
00:25:58that send these chilies. They are from Scuinapa
00:26:01and we are in the process of investigation. Samples of the chilies
00:26:04were already taken to investigate if
00:26:08this can be related to salmonellosis, the outbreak in
00:26:11the United States. So we continue these investigation
00:26:15processes that correspond to
00:26:18cooperation between Mexico and the United States. Since
00:26:212020, we have received about 17
00:26:24notifications of outbreaks. In some of them
00:26:26accompanied by FDA, Senasica, and
00:26:30Coffepris, we visit the companies
00:26:33to ensure that these export processes
00:26:36are carried out
00:26:40what is done is
00:26:41preventively.
00:26:45This week, the United States, US authorities
00:26:48decided to suspend the import of Mexican
00:26:52avocado into their country. This,
00:26:55according to some US authorities, is due to
00:26:58the lack of security that inspectors from
00:27:02the United States may have in Michoacán.
00:27:05President Claudia Sheinbaum met with avocado producers
00:27:09to discuss this issue. She explained that the
00:27:12avocado growers asked for greater security in the
00:27:15entity. The president explained that security will be reinforced.
00:27:18She also stated that avocado growers asked
00:27:22to medically certify avocados so that in the United
00:27:26States they have security of the product that is brought to
00:27:29the American union. What else did the avocado growers ask
00:27:33for, what else was said, the president explained it this
00:27:34morning.
00:27:37Today there is a meeting with the US Embassy. We are
00:27:41working with the entire association of
00:27:44producers to strengthen
00:27:47security. I mentioned it yesterday,
00:27:51the Uruapan area
00:27:53eh since we defined the Michoacán
00:27:56plan, insecurity has
00:27:59decreased, but in another area now from other
00:28:02municipalities,
00:28:05eh, they express insecurity issues,
00:28:10them, with the association, several producers came,
00:28:14they asked us for support on different issues and we are
00:28:18supporting them. Look, just as they talked about sanitation, the
00:28:21export of avocado has
00:28:24many characteristics to be able to be done,
00:28:27a very important one is that the quality of the avocado is guaranteed,
00:28:31so they did not ask for some schemes to strengthen that
00:28:35certification, and with the United States what we told them, let's see,
00:28:38is there any issue for the US inspectors who
00:28:42have to review this certification in
00:28:45Michoacán, in what places, they are given all the support so that they can do
00:28:49their work safely, and if they cannot
00:28:52delegate that work to
00:28:56the Ministry of Agriculture that would develop it
00:28:59in that case. So,
00:29:03the objective of today's meeting is that all of that be resolved and
00:29:06that the export can
00:29:08already be liberated.
00:29:11And it is worth remembering what the role of Mexican
00:29:15agriculture is in the neighboring country of the United States, not only
00:29:18speaking of avocado, where 90% of
00:29:22avocado consumption comes from our country, but also of
00:29:26livestock, other fruits and other vegetables, but
00:29:29let's talk about avocado specifically because
00:29:32the United States consumes 1.1 million
00:29:35tons of avocado per year, being the country
00:29:39with the highest avocado consumption in our
00:29:41country. This also affects commercialization
00:29:45in restaurants, the increase in the
00:29:48price of dishes at the time, and therefore
00:29:51also affects the US economy.
00:29:55Speaking of the Mexico-US relationship, there is
00:29:58talk about coordination with the US Southern Command,
00:30:02due to the fact that the Donald Trump administration has
00:30:06attributed new powers to the Southern Command. The president mentions that
00:30:09historically Mexico has coordinated with the Northern
00:30:13Command, however, the Southern Command
00:30:16carries out operations in Central
00:30:19and South America, and now also in our country. She mentions
00:30:22always under Mexican sovereignty,
00:30:25coordination without subordination. Let's
00:30:27listen.
00:30:30Normally in Mexico, we worked with the Northern
00:30:33Command in the collaboration and coordination that
00:30:37exists with the US armed forces within
00:30:42laws. Now the United States has given more
00:30:46powers to the Southern Command. So, what
00:30:49needs to be coordinated, well, we will have to
00:30:52coordinate. You know what our four principles are:
00:30:55Coordination without
00:30:58sovereignty.