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00:00:00lives is a very profound change because it also impacts
00:00:03in cultural terms, in how the same population is perceived,
00:00:07and many of these stigmas that the
00:00:11politicians of before, like Peña
00:00:14Nieto, who said corruption is cultural, the poor are poor because they want to be, all these
00:00:18stigmas are being broken and it is being explained, no, the poor are not poor because they want to be,
00:00:22it is part of a structure that has been there and remains there and
00:00:26that does not let you leave and does not give you space for social mobility.
00:00:29The fourth transformation has understood it well and precisely
00:00:32for this reason there are these social, labor,
00:00:36economic policies that impact and
00:00:38to have to be lived with I conclude on the issue of security, how can we think about this
00:00:42reduction of more than 52-53% in
00:00:46intentional homicides, if it is not accompanied by a
00:00:49policy that gives you a state that is
00:00:52with this project of embracing, safeguarding, caring for and giving life options, which is what
00:00:55many young people did not have and today Azul explains very well, young people
00:00:58already have options, women,
00:01:02men who are from preschool
00:01:04Party, in Latin America in to university to
00:01:07guarantee their studies and then there is the certainty that there is no starvation wage
00:01:11like the ones that were 2,300 pesos which was a complete mockery
00:01:15to think that a family lives with it, deep
00:01:18down Emerson, the
00:01:21neoliberal model also had a
00:01:24notion of the expendables,
00:01:28young people, of course. they were expendable,
00:01:32migrants were the
00:01:34expendable, the poor
00:01:38were the expendable,
00:01:41older adults, older adults were not
00:01:44only expendable but
00:01:46disposable,
00:01:50a series of concepts that were never
00:01:53stated as such, but that are there at the
00:01:56heart of a model that was defeated.
00:02:00In the Mexican case defeated twice
00:02:03in the sums and that
00:02:06still wants to resurface through
00:02:10think that the conditions or what television programs
00:02:13of messages
00:02:18now compared to what radicalization in from opposition political parties that still haven't understood it.
00:02:20From your point of view, what is the reflection,
00:02:24what happened
00:02:25this concept of or what is happening so that they still don't
00:02:28clearly see
00:02:32this success of social policies, this economic
00:02:36model and welfare
00:02:39that Óscar described very well, that we are
00:02:43witnessing,
00:02:46so right now it is part of Mexican exceptionalism, it is part of
00:02:48an exceptional model where, facing the world,
00:02:52the Mexican government is betting on public services, on the
00:02:55dignification of education, of housing.
00:02:58and these are very dark times for the
00:03:01region and for the world, precisely
00:03:05on these issues, where in Argentina
00:03:08we see an open attack against education, against teachers,
00:03:12against retirees, against students,
00:03:15a model that they want to replicate
00:03:18in Chile, we also see it
00:03:21in Colombia and
00:03:24well, they do it from a perspective following
00:03:28the recipes from the north, where in the United States
00:03:31also the welfare state is
00:03:34dismantled, where everything is in the hands of
00:03:38private insurers, where the economy does not
00:03:40advance
00:03:42homosexual, but what and in Europe also a welfare state where in the
00:03:46second half of the last century,
00:03:49political forces bet on social democracy or even
00:03:52Christian democracy, they tried to convince
00:03:56that a liberal framework was possible with a
00:03:59robust welfare state where quality education, quality housing
00:04:03could be had and we see a deep housing
00:04:06crisis where very few people are having access to education,
00:04:10a huge real estate crisis and at the
00:04:13same time a far-right and extreme right-wing
00:04:17discourse where the fault is with the
00:04:20migrants, the fault is with the different, and that is
00:04:24the global pulse and that is why I speak of
00:04:28this Mexican welfare economic model reflecting an exceptionalism
00:04:32of many of the and a position of Mexico
00:04:35and the Mexican government
00:04:38was not, let's say, somewhat of a different way of doing things, no, that's right, and this set
00:04:42of variables that are rooted in reality
00:04:45also, I think, allows something that is fundamental and that
00:04:49allows its continuity and I am referring to governability,
00:04:53no, governability is not the same as control, and I think that is something that previous
00:04:57governments did not achieve, the neoliberal
00:05:00period did not distinguish, they confused having political
00:05:04control through, let's say,
00:05:07the army, through various public
00:05:11state resources, to have control, but
00:05:14that does not translate into governability, no, and I think that the big
00:05:18economic step with this
00:05:21new model of Mexican industrialization with this focus on
00:05:25young people's education, this data that Karen gave, this
00:05:29commitment not only to a social program
00:05:32already replicated from older adults, but the focus is
00:05:36on young people, more money is being allocated, in fact to
00:05:39adolescents, and no country in the world is doing it,
00:05:43that is, I think that these traits are the ones that are
00:05:47allowing and will allow a government
00:05:51with these traits and characteristics to prevail over
00:05:54time, but also to have governability,
00:05:58that is, I think that is very important because these are the instruments
00:06:01it has to continue
00:06:05the fourth transformation over time to sustain it
00:06:08and when precisely we saw in a
00:06:12Peñista government, it had a
00:06:16bought opposition practically by the Pact for
00:06:18Mexico, but that did not allow it to govern or
00:06:22give it governability, referring to a political
00:06:25class that bought it but had
00:06:28governability without socialist
00:06:31legitimacy,
00:06:34and that legitimacy is not only stated
00:06:37but is rooted in public
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00:08:30We return to public debate. We just
00:08:32left off on Emerson's argument
00:08:35about Mexican exceptionalism, not only
00:08:39in terms of social
00:08:42policies, welfare
00:08:45programs, the mixed social
00:08:48economy model, but
00:08:51also in not sharing this
00:08:54rhetoric, and I think it needs to be insisted on, because it was
00:08:58exacerbated by what just happened in Ceuta, this
00:09:01rhetoric where all the far-right
00:09:04movements are no longer talking
00:09:07about the failure of the neoliberal model
00:09:10of the neoliberal budgets.
00:09:13One of those budgets fell in Mexico which is the fact that if you increased the
00:09:17minimum wage there would be inflation, which here it has already been
00:09:21practically proven that it is not like that, it is not correct, but now they are throwing
00:09:25everything against
00:09:27migration, against
00:09:31the expendable, why? From your point of view, well, you
00:09:35say it very well, the common thread of
00:09:37several and let's say that all over the world,
00:09:40not only in the United States. We see it in Latin America,
00:09:44a few days ago we also saw it in Germany with the triumph in Saxony,
00:09:48with 44%, a region historically
00:09:52governed by the CDU, by the Christian Democratic Union, that is, by the
00:09:56German right, no, the right that brought Merkel to power,
00:09:59for example, and for many
00:10:03years, let's say that it is something that has been
00:10:07fueling, even before the arrival of Donald Trump in
00:10:102016 in the United States, where in
00:10:13Italy, Georgia Meloni with Brothers of
00:10:16Italy, her own political
00:10:20group, and in Spain with Vox and the Popular
00:10:23Party we have seen a tremendous right-wing shift in the
00:10:27Popular Party, that is, of the right, but it is practically
00:10:30adopting the Vox agenda and the turning
00:10:33point, without a doubt, was the issue of
00:10:36Ceuta where migrants are used as
00:10:39political instruments, as instruments of
00:10:43geopolitical pressure and where the
00:10:46discursive platform
00:10:49also of public policies, because they are not only extreme rights
00:10:52that make a lot of noise as
00:10:55they did for a long time, such as Marine Le Pen in France, it was
00:10:58a marginal far-right force that was assumed
00:11:03and that it would be there, but in recent
00:11:06years we have seen how not only are they noisy
00:11:10but they can be voted for and they can access power,
00:11:13no, Georgia Meloni did it in Italy, the same Marine
00:11:17Le Pen in France has already placed herself on several occasions
00:11:21in second rounds, Vox is already doing it in various autonomous
00:11:25communities in Spain in co-government with the Popular
00:11:29the region José Antonio CAS comes to the presidency
00:11:33with a deeply racist discourse of
00:11:37putting up border walls, no,
00:11:40of reinforcing borders, of militarizing
00:11:42them, that is, it is something we are seeing
00:11:46not only in the United States but as a
00:11:49manual, where blaming, criminalizing the
00:11:53migrant is the
00:11:57easiest way out to justify the
00:12:00errors and a failed
00:12:03model, a failed model
00:12:06where in Germany let's say that there is even talk of the
00:12:10possibility of a federal government because they called
00:12:13this sanitary cordon where center-left and center-right forces
00:12:17and the Greens allied to
00:12:20distribute the ministries to achieve the vote, thus
00:12:23blocking the way for the far-right, that was for many
00:12:27years, no, but now the possibility is seen that the extreme,
00:12:30that traditional right-wing voters vote for the far-right so they can
00:12:34access power, no, so what we are seeing
00:12:37is a tremendous
00:12:40the platforms of parties, of leaders, the same
00:12:44leader Uldric Sickmund there in Saxony
00:12:47calling
00:12:50remigration and what is remigration? It is
00:12:54practically ethnic cleansing, it is forcing the
00:12:57expulsion of migrants, let's say it is
00:13:00migration in reverse, but through the use of force,
00:13:04no, so this concept of
00:13:07remigration is also used by many of the
00:13:10far-right advisors in the White House, that is, Steve Bannon, Stephen
00:13:14Miller are convinced of this concept of
00:13:17remigration and
00:13:20it has been used in various conspiracy
00:13:23theories also of that possibility that a state can
00:13:27expel, carry out an ethnic cleansing of migrants from their countries, no, and
00:13:31that has, let's say, intoxicated France,
00:13:34Spain and Germany,
00:13:38Germany and it contrasts with the Nordic countries because also in
00:13:41Sweden, no, in the Netherlands also the
00:13:44exact, this Gerth Builders is also a leader of the
00:13:48far-right in the style of
00:13:51Germany also very similar to Germany, no, where the...
00:13:55leader of AFD, of Alternative for Germany,
00:13:58Alice Weidel, is openly homosexual, she has a
00:14:02partner, her partner is a migrant, no, Gert Builders is also
00:14:07they do share openly is their hatred
00:14:11towards migrants and policies of
00:14:14expulsion, no, so we see how Mexico, on the
00:14:18contrary, receives many migrants, no,
00:14:21it gives more instruments to migrants in the United States
00:14:25with, that is, not only during the neoliberal
00:14:29period was the greatest expulsion of migrants in Mexico, especially
00:14:32in the 90s, and that a migrant
00:14:35can have access to social security in Mexico, that he can have
00:14:39access to his money being sent
00:14:42safely, that they are not abused
00:14:46by the remittance companies that charge very
00:14:49high commissions now with this new mechanism defines it well,
00:14:52that is, there is an extension of the
00:14:56rights of Mexicans in the United
00:14:59States, of migrants in general, not only in the United
00:15:02States, but it is a feeling that for the first time the Mexican
00:15:06state looks back at its
00:15:09migrants, well, President Claudia Shetman said, it cannot
00:15:12be that consulates are merely
00:15:16administrative offices and defense offices, that is, it is a
00:15:20state that beyond its borders is
00:15:24defending its own citizens, I have a question, Oscar, because
00:15:28this is almost never talked about, we are poisoned
00:15:31by this propaganda, these
00:15:34hate policies towards migrants on social
00:15:37media, in the Western agenda,
00:15:41it is Donald Trump's narrative, but what is
00:15:44happening in Asia, for example, China,
00:15:46Southeast
00:15:50Asia, Korea, well, we
00:15:53know that in Japan also a
00:15:54conservative
00:15:57policy with an anti-migrant line triumphed
00:16:01and curiously the PISA test that Azul
00:16:04also mentioned reflects that the strongest advance
00:16:07is growing and it is still happening in Asian countries,
00:16:11how is politics there? Well, I think now we can already make
00:16:14a good contrast between these two
00:16:18contrasting visions between the Western
00:16:21economy that we see is in a multidimensional crisis
00:16:25and the Asian side that, well, at the
00:16:29same time that we are describing this crisis, they just had a
00:16:32meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, which is
00:16:35precisely to unite everything.
00:16:38with a view to being able to include everything that can be achieved with the
00:16:42term of mutual benefit, that is, they are not
00:16:45commercial or productive relations of subordination, but
00:16:49they are of cooperation, that is, well, I have all the infrastructure
00:16:53and well, let's see how we can make the exchange to close
00:16:57the gaps, so it's just like Venezuela, no, well,
00:17:01almost a little exactly, I'll
00:17:04take your oil and you give me this.
00:17:07mind, well, yes, there it makes
00:17:10a total contrast and well, also a month
00:17:14ago there was also a meeting on international governance of artificial
00:17:17intelligence led by Xi Jinping,
00:17:21that was in Shanghai and well, the idea is this principle
00:17:25where trade does not have to immediately translate into subordination,
00:17:29that other types of exchanges are possible and for example
00:17:32also recently it was signed there will be free passage
00:17:36between Russia and China, for example, and
00:17:39there is also, well, this free passage of goods
00:17:43also of people, of people, it is also
00:17:46moving in that direction, but the most important thing
00:17:49is also to remember one thing, Western economies
00:17:51are small
00:17:55Eastern economies are achieving and in this case, for example,
00:17:58well, a Western
00:18:02country in crisis begins to stress too much because
00:18:05it is receiving the boomerang effect of first having taken its capital,
00:18:09exported capital, destroyed those countries and then
00:18:12there is a reflux of workers who are seeking survival, so
00:18:16it is its own effect, but let's think about the
00:18:19Chinese economy, which is an economy with an infrastructure designed for more than
00:18:231.4 billion people, so
00:18:26the scale on which the Eastern economy is conceived
00:18:29is different, that is, there is also
00:18:32actively a whole vision of
00:18:34planning, the plans that...
00:18:37permanent channels and there are also all
00:18:41this new position that China has in the sense of
00:18:44proposing alternatives for international governance to
00:18:48the traditional ones of the West, that is, there is already this
00:18:52vision where, well, also with the trains that are very
00:18:55important, they are already making a new interconnection,
00:18:58there are problems here in the Suez Canal, well, they are
00:19:01enabling a route in the Arctic,
00:19:05so there is the need to seek to
00:19:08interconnect Iran, for example, which is the heart, well, there is this
00:19:12project that is the one that would mortally wound the
00:19:15US economy, which is the project of uniting Russia
00:19:18precisely with India and with China, no, so through
00:19:22gas pipelines, no, trains, trains, trains and all the
00:19:26necessary infrastructure
00:19:29for that interconnection, that is, the new Silk Road
00:19:33is the great project that is being
00:19:36promoted and demonstrating that international economic
00:19:39relations cannot be limited to simply that
00:19:43you offer as an offering your national
00:19:45assets so that they become financial speculation titles on
00:19:49a stock exchange that every certain time also bursts
00:19:53and and and let's say that
00:19:56dissolves the value generated by the workers themselves,
00:19:59so migrants and I think this is very important from the
00:20:03perspective of political economy, to remember that human
00:20:06labor is social collective labor, it is the true source of
00:20:10all wealth, that's right,
00:20:13that's important to describe and for
00:20:16you to describe, Oscar, because
00:20:19we are really poisoned, that is one
00:20:22thing that we face
00:20:25every day in Mexico,
00:20:27because
00:20:30the model of the fourth transformation, the model of the
00:20:33welfare economy, the model of a
00:20:38public security project with welfare, faces
00:20:41a machine of lies every day,
00:20:44that's right, which we now know is a
00:20:48transnational machine of lies,
00:20:52it's not only Mr. Ricardo Salinas Pliego and
00:20:55his cronies, it's
00:20:58or his guests or his
00:21:00employees, it's this machine that we have been
00:21:04seeing since the case of Fernando Cerimedo,
00:21:08yes, exactly, yes, the point is that you can no longer materially
00:21:11sustain a way of reproducing life, so the idea is to
00:21:14distort everything to such an extent that you don't even know where to begin.
00:21:18sepas ni siquiera dónde empezar.
00:21:28domination corresponds to a relationship of rebellion against that domination,
00:21:31so this distortion is the prison in
00:21:34which the West is currently caught, it is
00:21:38trying to revive its old victories,
00:21:42that's why "make America great again" is the
00:21:45confession that they already feel left out, that it is
00:21:48no longer like that. Well, I think the contrast
00:21:52with the East now is that it also has to lead us to renew
00:21:56our vision and our criteria of what an economy
00:21:59is, that is, what economic development is and how
00:22:03the integrality of the economic phenomenon is understood
00:22:06from the street to state planning, there is a lot of
00:22:09fear that the Mexican economy
00:22:12could be affected by the degree of dependence we have with
00:22:16the United States and by the degree of complementarity.
00:22:19That is, we could not
00:22:22immediately substitute that strong
00:22:24dependence on the North American market
00:22:28for the Asian market,
00:22:31of course, yes, as Canada is doing, but my question is,
00:22:35is this real or is it just a self-colonized
00:22:38impression? Well,
00:22:41it is, I like the question very much because
00:22:44indeed there is something to that, no, because one could say
00:22:48well, you are on the other side of the Pacific Ocean, of course it is not the same
00:22:52as simply taking your goods to one side, but
00:22:55I think the president said something very important today in the morning
00:22:59and it has to do with the fact that, well, remember that Mexico's
00:23:02geographical position, of course, as an interoceanic
00:23:05crossroads and as an important
00:23:09connection point for the entire
00:23:12continent, has a very important potential to be an
00:23:16industrial hub because although the political stridency
00:23:20of Trumpism indicates that he doesn't need anyone, I don't know what,
00:23:23no one in the world believes them anymore, because we are all
00:23:27interconnected to such an extent that there is already a co-dependency, well, it's not the same as a
00:23:31unilateral dependence as a co-dependency,
00:23:36what is happening is that precisely the United States
00:23:40when it tries to relocate the productive process to
00:23:43its immediate area because it can no longer control the Asian or Middle
00:23:47Eastern ones, well, then it needs to necessarily
00:23:51substitute, have economic space to grow and
00:23:54beat that new other productive form, what is the secret of that
00:23:58other productive form that is not based on absolute
00:24:01competition but on cooperation, that is,
00:24:04the United States is obliged to know how to set up
00:24:08economic cooperation in its region, well, if Canada is
00:24:11doing it, that is, this that Canada
00:24:14did and is doing now. moments, something that
00:24:18was not in the manual, that was not on the
00:24:22route, that decision by
00:24:25Mark Carney and the Canadian state in general
00:24:28with all its provinces to
00:24:31say, "Ah, they don't want us with the United
00:24:35States." Well, we're not going to beg them. And right now, the
00:24:39Mexican foreign minister is in China and there's already a direct understanding.
00:24:43Diplomatic doors are opening for a future relationship.
00:24:46And well, just to add that it coincides that
00:24:50Mark Carney's popularity soars after it comes into
00:24:54effect and how Canada responds, right? I mean, we can't
00:24:57remove the political variable, right? I mean, where a country
00:25:01that defends its sovereignty responds,
00:25:03let's say, in a reciprocal way,
00:25:07this, let's say, brings electoral benefits, right? I mean,
00:25:10I think that also, just to point something out, in the Mexican
00:25:14case, I think it's different because there was
00:25:17between Canada and the United States this kind of attempt to
00:25:21be the same beforehand, not with
00:25:24Mexico, not, let's say, this
00:25:28on the table, but I think it's important
00:25:32because while Donald Trump takes you to the almost mixed
00:25:35martial arts arena because he wants a WWE
00:25:39fight,
00:25:42to a wrestling match, President Sheimamu has taken him to
00:25:45fencing, right? So it's different, I mean, the
00:25:49proportionality, it seems elegant to me. How do you see
00:25:52it, Azul? Well, first of all, I find what
00:25:56that experiment of Canada with China will be interesting,
00:26:00because it forces it to change its own rules where, yes, structurally, it had been
00:26:04functioning precisely like the United States. There,
00:26:07we return to the issue, for example, of migration. It had not
00:26:10internalized this same view of the threat
00:26:13that migrants represented,
00:26:16also within a view where we are
00:26:19nationalists, you are a threat, not only in terms of human
00:26:22mobility, but in terms of the relationship
00:26:26with other countries. Now, as
00:26:29this Chinese
00:26:32paradigm advances, where we talk about
00:26:36cooperation, we talk about human mobility
00:26:38that relates differently
00:26:42in the economic context, well, Canada's
00:26:45situation will be interesting. What I do say is that there is also
00:26:48much greater affinity with Mexico, let's say, and what Mexico
00:26:52has been building, because the boomerangs that the West
00:26:55is facing right now are in many senses and on many
00:26:59levels. One has to do with the return
00:27:02of people from countries that were destroyed
00:27:06by the voracity of neoliberalism in the most
00:27:09developed countries, but another is all those people who went to their
00:27:13countries were also treated, even if it wasn't
00:27:16with the restrictions and persecution that we are seeing today, they were
00:27:20treated as citizens, not even, but as
00:27:24second-class people, second category, and you cannot
00:27:27think that in the long run,
00:27:29it doesn't turn into, let's say,
00:27:33spaces of marginalization that eventually revert back to you within your own society, which is what
00:27:37they are experiencing now, and that's why they want to make them scapegoats, instead of
00:27:40structurally changing the way to, well,
00:27:44how to take advantage of this,
00:27:47this human capital, let's put
00:27:51it that way in economic terms, to be able to provide mobility
00:27:55and and sustainability
00:27:58to these welfare states that have been in decline, right? All
00:28:02those countries and they can no longer even sustain themselves for what their
00:28:06first-class populations are, right? That's
00:28:09right, Karen, I
00:28:13we are experiencing today is not necessarily what will be experienced tomorrow, and
00:28:16under that logic, it is, well,
00:28:19necessary to think about what Mexico's position is in the face of the
00:28:23world, what relationship it wants to have with the United
00:28:26States, not today but tomorrow, in five, in
00:28:3010 years, in 20 years, and also with the different latitudes of the
00:28:33world. What Oscar proposes is interesting, because it is a completely
00:28:37different vision of how economics is conceived, and therefore,
00:28:41I imagine the impacts, the impacts on how politics
00:28:44is conceived. It is also an option for Mexico, look, now
00:28:48on the topic of our codependency or this
00:28:51close relationship that exists,
00:28:54codependency on both sides with the United States, it
00:28:58seems to me that this moment of
00:29:00crisis in the United States is very
00:29:04indicative. Look, a few days ago,
00:29:07the border was reopened for the cattle issue.
00:29:11That's right, that is not due to political
00:29:15goodwill or anything like that, but because in the United States,
00:29:18they desperately needed the cattle to pass,
00:29:21live cattle, as it is called, so that the
00:29:25prices from our country would not skyrocket.
00:29:28Ironically, a few days later, that's only for the
00:29:32as, sorry, they were on
00:29:36the verge of the price of cattle skyrocketing. How else
00:29:39can we explain that it opened overnight? It was
00:29:42unsustainable because the United States needed that cattle
00:29:46to be fattened there and from there would come, well,
00:29:49the meat consumed in that country. It closed later
00:29:53because, precisely, with all these months,
00:29:56it was, it was, this is an anecdote just because it's very funny,
00:30:00the cows were fattened in our country.
00:30:02When they passed, there was a technical failure that caused the system that weighs them
00:30:06and measures them to collapse, because they were already fat, they were
00:30:09already fat now. But the interesting thing here
00:30:12is diabetes, well, they ate better in Mexico than in the United States and
00:30:16they got fatter, right? But the interesting thing
00:30:20here is like fat cows, a time of
00:30:23lean cows, we are not living in Mexico a time of fat cows,
00:30:26precisely contrary to what there is in the United States where there were not even
00:30:30cows, but it is one example
00:30:34response that we should be understanding
00:30:38that the United States needs us as much as
00:30:41at some point, well, one might think that we need
00:30:45them, and oh, sorry, I'm just closing and this also gives
00:30:49us a position of advantage regarding the negotiations that are held with the
00:30:52different, the different countries, the different nations, that's right.
00:30:56Here I'm going to take a quantum leap, time is almost up.