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00:00:00>> ON THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, I
00:00:02RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO ANSWER
00:00:05BASED ON MY RIGHTS UNDER THE
00:00:09FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE
00:00:10CONSTITUTION.
00:00:18>> Reporter: SUPER AWKWARD.
00:00:22BUT IS IT ILLEGAL?
00:00:26>> THERE WILL BE REPERCUSSIONS TO YOUR REFUSAL TO TESTIFY TODAY. >> CONTEMPT FOR THIS BODY AND
00:00:29CONTEMPT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. >> BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING, THE SENATE HOMELAND AND
00:00:33GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE VOTED TO HOLD Dr. ANTHONY FAUCI IN CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS. >> Reporter: REPUBLICANS UNDER
00:00:37DONALD TRUMP DECLARED FRESH WAR ON THE MAN WHO BASICALLY OVERNIGHT WAS SUDDENLY THE MOST INFLUENTIAL AND PROMINENT PUBLIC
00:00:41HEALTH VOICE DURING THE PANDEMIC. NOW HE WON'T TELL THEM A THING. HOW LONG CAN HE KEEP THAT UP?
00:00:44>> WHO THE (BEEP) DO YOU THINK YOU ARE FOR DOING THAT?
00:00:48>> Reporter: MANY REPUBLICANS
00:00:51AND THEIR SUPPORTERS DO NOT LIKE ANTHONY FAUCI.
00:00:54BUT FEW HAVE SO CONSISTENTLY MADE AN ENEMY OF HIM OVER SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AS RAND
00:00:58PAUL.
00:01:01>> INSTEAD OF AN APOLOGY, YOU HAVE FOR YEARS AVOIDED RESPONSIBILITY.
00:01:04YOU DID NOT TELL THE AMERICAN
00:01:05PEOPLE THE FULL STORY.
00:01:11>> Reporter: RAND PAUL IS THE REPUBLICAN CHAIR OF A SENATE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE THAT SUBPOENAED ANTHONY FAUCI TO
00:01:14TESTIFY. JUST LAST WEEK, OVER I WOULD SAY
00:01:18TWO MAIN QUESTIONS, THAT EVEN ALL THESE YEARS AFTER THE PANDEMIC HE STILL FEELS ARE
00:01:20UNANSWERED.
00:01:24ONE, DID FAUCI TRY TO PUSH THIS IDEA THAT COVID COULDN'T HAVE
00:01:27COME FROM A CHINESE LAB EVEN
00:01:29WHEN HE THOUGHT MAYBE IT DID?
00:01:36AND TWO, DID FAUCI LIE ABOUT WHETHER THE U.S. GAVE MONEY TO
00:01:39CREATE THIS VIRUS THAT WOULD ULTIMATELY KILL MORE THAN A
00:01:41MILLION AMERICANS?
00:01:44FAUCI DENIES THESE CLAIMS. AND HERE IS ONE OF THE ONLY THINGS HE SAID AT HIS HEARING
00:01:48LAST WEEK.
00:01:50>> THE SOLE REASON HE IS CALLING ME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE IS TO
00:01:54GET ME TO SAY SOMETHING,
00:01:58ANYTHING, THAT COULD VINDICATE
00:02:07HIS REPEATED PUBLIC PLEDGES THAT I END UP IN HIS WORDS, QUOTE, BEHIND BARS, UNQUOTE.
00:02:10ANY REASONABLE PERSON WHO HAS
00:02:13FOLLOWED HIS UNHINGED OBSESSION WITH ME WOULD READILY COME TO
00:02:16THE SAME CONCLUSION.
00:02:19>> Reporter: AND SO IT BEGAN. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE
00:02:22COMMITTEE WHY YOU CHOSE TO FUND THIS DANGEROUS RESEARCH IN
00:02:25CHINA?
00:02:29>> ON THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, I
00:02:29RESPECTFULLY DECLINE TO ANSWER.
00:02:37>> Dr. FAUCI DID THE C.I.A. TRANSFER FUNDS TO NIH UNDER AN
00:02:38INTERAGENCY AGREEMENT.
00:02:41Dr. FAUCI WERE THE SCIENTISTS
00:02:43AVAILABLE OF INSERTING A SITE
00:02:47INTO A CORONA VIRUS? LAB INVESTIGATORS, DID THEY
00:02:50APPEAR IN THE LABS TO MAKE SURE
00:02:51THEY WERE SAFE LABS?
00:02:54>> ON THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL, I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE -- >> Reporter: AND YOU GET THE
00:02:57IDEA. >> THE REPUBLICANS ARE ACCUSING
00:03:01Dr. FAUCI OF BEING IN CONTEMPT
00:03:02OF CONGRESS BECAUSE HE REFUSED
00:03:06TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND INVOKED HIS FIFTH AMENDMENT PRIVILEGE
00:03:08AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE SAYING
00:03:10YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A PARDON BY PRESIDENT
00:03:14BIDEN WHICH COVERS YOUR CULPABILITY AND YOU'RE NOT
00:03:18ALLOWED TO INVOKE THE FIFTH. >> Reporter: YES, ORDINARILY,
00:03:22AN AMERICAN'S FIFTH AMENDMENT
00:03:24RIGHT IS TO REMAIN SILENT, TO
00:03:28AVOID SELF INCRIMINATION, AND YOU CAN DO THAT BY NOT ANSWERING QUESTIONS.
00:03:32EXCEPT REPUBLICANS SAY HANG ON,
00:03:34JOE BIDEN WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT
00:03:36GAVE YOU A PRE-EMPTIVE PARDON.
00:03:39>> BREAKING NEWS, PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN ANNOUNCED PARDONS IN HIS
00:03:42FINAL HOURS BEFORE DONALD TRUMP
00:03:44TAKES OFFICE.
00:03:47BIDEN ANNOUNCING THE PARDON OF Dr. ANTHONY FAUCI.
00:03:51>> Reporter: SO YOU'RE IMMUNE TO PROSECUTION, MEANING YOU CAN'T INVOKE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT SINCE THERE'S NO CHANCE
00:03:55OF SELF INCRIMINATION. SINCE THERE'S NO CHANCE OF PROSECUTION.
00:03:58>> YOU DON'T HAVE ANY RIGHTS UNDER THE FIFTH AMENDMENT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN PARDONED AS
00:04:02YOU VERY WELL KNOW.
00:04:06>> Reporter: SO TO AVOID QUESTIONING IN THIS WAY, THIS THEY SAY IS CONTEMPT.
00:04:10PUNISHABLE BY A FINE OF UP TO $100,000 AND OR UP TO A YEAR IN JAIL.
00:04:14>> WE'RE VOTING ON WHETHER A WITNESS WHO RECEIVED THE BENEFIT
00:04:17OF A SWEEPING FEDERAL PARDON CAN BE ORDERED BY THIS COMMITTEE TO
00:04:20ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND THEN DEFY THAT ORDER WITHOUT
00:04:23CONSEQUENCE. >> Reporter: THAT'S WHY AND HOW FAUCI IS UNDER LEGAL THREAT
00:04:27TODAY.
00:04:31BUT THE BIGGER QUESTION IS THE BIGGER THREAT BEYOND TODAY.
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00:04:40IF YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO SEES ANTHONY FAUCI AS DANGEROUS, AS A
00:04:44VILLAIN, THE FIRST QUESTION YOU
00:04:46HAVE IS A VERY SERIOUS CHARGE.
00:04:50WHY PEDDLE THE LIE THAT COVID MADE A NATURAL JUMP FROM ANIMALS
00:04:53TO HUMANS? >> PUBLICLY ANTHONY FAUCI
00:04:57PROMOTED THE THEORY THAT THE
00:04:59VIRUS AROSE NATURALLY WHILE PRIVATELY HE WAS WELL AWARE OF A
00:05:02MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THE VIRUS ORIGINATED IN THE LAB.
00:05:05>> Reporter: THEY POINT TO FAUCI'S OWN DIARY ENTRIES
00:05:09WRITTEN IN THE EARLIEST DAYS OF
00:05:10THE PANDEMIC LIKE THIS ONE FROM
00:05:16JANUARY 26th, 2020. SO THIS IS BEFORE THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION IS EVEN WILLING TO CALL THIS AN
00:05:19INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY, NEVER MIND AN ACTUAL
00:05:23PANDEMIC WHICH WOULD COME MONTHS LATER. FAUCI WRITES ABOUT THE WET
00:05:26MARKET ORIGIN THEORY.
00:05:29NOW WE KNOW THE MARKET WAS NOT THE SOURCE, IT WAS THE AMPLIFIER.
00:05:33AND JUST FIVE DAYS LATER, HE WRITES HOW HIS COLLEAGUES
00:05:36STUDYING THE CORONA VIRUS
00:05:39ITSELF BELIEVE MUTATIONS IN ITS MAKE-UP
00:05:41COULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED
00:05:45NATURALLY AND THEY RAISED THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE FEATURES WERE DELIBERATELY INSERTED AND
00:05:48EITHER ACCIDENTALLY RELEASED OR DELIBERATELY RELEASED BY A CRAZY
00:05:51PERSON IN THE LAB.
00:05:54REPUBLICANS LIKE RAND PAUL SAY THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT FAUCI AND
00:05:57HIS COLLEAGUES WERE PRIVATELY
00:06:00ENTERTAINING THIS LAB LEAK THEORY WHILE DENYING IT IN
00:06:02PUBLIC. FAUCI SAYS THAT'S NOT QUITE
00:06:06RIGHT. HE'S OFTEN LEANED ONE WAY BUT
00:06:09NEVER LIED.
00:06:11>> WE KEEP A COMPLETELY OPEN
00:06:13MIND AS TO WHAT THE ORIGIN IS.
00:06:16HAVING SAID THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EXAMINATION BY HIGHLY
00:06:20QUALIFIED INTERNATIONAL
00:06:22SCIENTISTS WITH NO POLITICAL
00:06:26AGENDAS, THEY PUBLISHED IN PEER
00:06:31REVIEW JOURNALS, THE BEST OF THE PEER REVIEW JOURNALS, THAT THE EVIDENCE IS QUITE STRONG THIS IS
00:06:35A NATURAL OCCURRENCE. >> Reporter: FAUCI SAID HIS
00:06:37OBJECTION WAS ONLY AGAINST
00:06:42PEOPLE WHO SAID THE LAB LEAK THEORY WAS UNEQUIVOCALLY TRUE WHEN THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING
00:06:45AND THAT WHEN PEOPLE ACCUSE HIM OF A COVERUP, POINTING AT
00:06:48POSITIONS LIKE THIS PUBLISHED IN
00:06:49MAY OF 2020, THEY'RE REALLY JUST MISREPRESENTING HIS POSITION AS
00:06:53BEING ENTIRELY ONE-SIDED.
00:06:56IN REALITY, THOUGH, OPINION ON THE TRUE ORIGIN OF COVID-19 IS
00:06:59SPLIT.
00:07:02EARLY ON, THE PREVAILING THEORY
00:07:11WAS IT WAS MOST LIKELY A CASE OF NATURAL ANIMAL TO HUMAN
00:07:15TRANSMISSION IN WUHAN, CHINA A FOR YEARS, THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WAS UNSURE. FROM THIS GOVERNMENT REPORT IN 2023, AT LEAST FIVE INTELLIGENCE
00:07:18AGENCIES BELIEVED THIS WAS JUST A CASE OF THE VIRUS EVOLVING
00:07:22FROM INFECTED ANIMALS TO
00:07:25INFECTING HUMANS BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND THE F.B.I. LEANED TOWARDS THE LAB
00:07:28LEAK THEORY.
00:07:38INCONCLUSIVE. THOUGH LATER ON IT WOULD LEAN MORE TOWARDS COVID'S ORIGIN BEING IN A LAB. THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
00:07:41NOT SO SURE. THE WORK TO UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINS OF SARS CoV-2 REMAINS
00:07:43UNFINISHED.
00:07:46THE ORIGINS OF HOW IT ENTERED THE HUMAN POPULATION WILL REMAIN
00:07:48INCONCLUSIVE.
00:07:51DESPITE ALL THIS, REPUBLICANS
00:07:53INSIST A FAUCI COVERUP MAKES
00:07:57SENSE BECAUSE AMERICAN TAXPAYER
00:07:59MONEY UNDER FAUCI'S LEADERSHIP FUNDED SOME OF THE WORK GOING ON
00:08:03IN THAT LAB IN WUHAN. >> THE DECISION TO FUND
00:08:06DANGEROUS GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH IN WUHAN, CHINA, WILL
00:08:09LIKELY GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS PERHAPS ONE OF THE WORST PUBLIC HEALTH DECISIONS.
00:08:13I HOPE TODAY Dr. FAUCI WILL
00:08:16COME CLEAN, ADMIT THE RISK OF
00:08:17THE DANGEROUS RESEARCH EXCEEDED
00:08:22POSSIBLE ANY BENEFITS, ASK FORGIVENESS. >> Reporter: AT THE RISK OF GOING DOWN ALL THE RABBIT HOLES,
00:08:25I WILL ANSWER THIS. DID FAUCI'S NATIONAL INSTITUTE
00:08:29OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES FUND CORONA VIRUS
00:08:32RESEARCH IN WUHAN?
00:08:37YES, IT DID. THIS IS NOT DISPUTED.
00:08:40A U.S. NON-PROFIT CALLED ECO HEALTH MANAGED TO SECURE
00:08:44OVER A PERIOD OF ABOUT 10 YEARS,
00:08:44A SERIES OF SEVEN GRANTS
00:08:48FROM NIAID TOTALLING MORE THAN $4 MILLION,
00:08:52STUDYING VERY SPECIFICALLY THE QUESTION OF BATS TRANSMITTING
00:08:54CORONA VIRUSES TO HUMANS IN
00:08:58CHINA.
00:08:59A PORTION OF THIS MONEY, ABOUT
00:09:02$600,000, DID GO TO THE WUHAN INSTITUTE OF VIROLOGY IN CHINA,
00:09:06BUT THE HARDER QUESTION TO
00:09:07ANSWER IS WHETHER THAT RESEARCH
00:09:12FUNDED AN EXPLICIT ATTEMPT TO MAKE ONE OF THESE VIRUSES BETTER AT INFECTING HUMANS.
00:09:15WHEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT GAIN OF FUNCTION RESEARCH, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING
00:09:18ABOUT.
00:09:20>> THE NIH HAS NOT EVER AND DOES
00:09:23NOT NOW FUND GAIN OF FUNCTION
00:09:26RESEARCH IN THE WUHAN INSTITUTE. >> Reporter: FAUCI HAS LONG
00:09:30MAINTAINED THAT U.S. FUNDED RESEARCH IN CHINA DID NOT
00:09:34PRODUCE ANYTHING GENETICALLY CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE THE DIRECT
00:09:37CAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.
00:09:39BUT, AGAIN, THE REPUBLICAN CHARGE HERE IS IMMENSE WHICH IS
00:09:43THAT IF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
00:09:45UNDER FAUCI'S LEADERSHIP HAD NOT
00:09:47HELPED CHINA IN ITS RESEARCH,
00:09:50THE GLOBAL PANDEMIC MIGHT NEVER HAVE HAPPENED TO BEGIN WITH.
00:09:54>> YOU'VE NEVER ADMITTED THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A MISTAKE
00:09:56FUNDING THIS RESEARCH IN CHINA.
00:09:58NO SCIENTIST IS ABOVE SCRUTINY.
00:10:05>> Reporter: SO HERE'S THE THING. I'M NOT EXPLAINING AND
00:10:08RE-OPENING THIS WHOLE WHO CAUSED THE PANDEMIC DEBATE TO TRY TO COME TO SOME SORT OF CONCLUSION
00:10:12ON THE MATTER.
00:10:15I RAISE IT ONLY TO SHOW YOU HOW HIGH THE STAKES ARE AND HOW
00:10:18SERIOUS SOME ELEMENTS OF THE
00:10:20TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ARE ABOUT PROSECUTING ANTHONY FAUCI PARDON
00:10:23OR NO PARDON.
00:10:28>> IT'S VERY CLEAR FROM STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE BY
00:10:29REPUBLICANS DURING THE HEARINGS
00:10:32AND AFTER AND OUTSIDE OF THOSE
00:10:34HEARINGS THAT THEY INTEND TO USE HIM AS A POSTER CHILD FOR WHAT
00:10:38TOOK PLACE IN THE UNITED STATES DURING THE COVID ERA.
00:10:42>> Reporter: THIS POSSIBILITY
00:10:47THAT VENGEFUL REPUBLICANS WILL FIND SOME WAY, ANY WAY, TO
00:10:50PROSECUTE FAUCI DESPITE HIS
00:10:53PARDON... >> SENATOR PAUL YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT QUITE FRANKLY AND I WANT TO SAY THAT OFFICIALLY.
00:10:57YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
00:11:01IF ANYBODY IS LYING HERE,
00:11:03SENATOR, IT IS YOU.
00:11:05>> Reporter: THIS IS WHAT
00:11:07POWERS FAUCI'S FIFTH AMENDMENT
00:11:11DEFENCE BECAUSE WHILE THE PARDON WOULD APPEAR TO PROTECT HIM FROM
00:11:13ANY OF HIS PUBLIC ACTIONS OVER A
00:11:15FAIRLY WIDE 10 YEAR PERIOD, IT
00:11:18DOESN'T EXTEND TO ANYTHING HE
00:11:21MIGHT SAY OR ADMIT TO NOW AND SURE ENOUGH, PROSECUTORS IN
00:11:24TRUMP FRIENDLY PARTS OF THE
00:11:26COUNTRY AT THE STATE LEVEL FROM
00:11:30ALABAMA TO FLORIDA, ANOTHER RED
00:11:33STATE, AND LOUISIANA, TOO, THERE IS AN INCREASING TIDE OF LEGAL
00:11:37ACTION BUILDING AGAINST FAUCI.
00:11:40SO WHEN SUMMONED BEFORE
00:11:42CONGRESS, HE SHUTS DOWN.
00:11:45BUT FOR HOW LONG HE CAN CONTINUE
00:11:47THAT STRATEGY DEPENDS ENTIRELY
00:11:49ON HOW DETERMINED THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TO MAKE HIM
00:11:52PAY.
00:11:57>> Paul: FAUCI'S FATE IS NOW
00:12:00IN THE HANDS OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND WHILE IT'S NOT DUTY-BOUND TO
00:12:03FOLLOW A CRIMINAL REFERRAL FROM
00:12:04CONGRESS, DEMOCRATS ACCUSED IT
00:12:08OF PURSUING POLITICALLY MOTIVATED PROSECUTIONS DURING
00:12:12TRUMP'S SECOND TERM. >>> COMING UP...
00:12:16OUR WILLY LOWRY GETS A BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK AT U.S. BORDER
00:12:18PATROL ENFORCEMENT IN DETROIT.
00:12:21>> NOT, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM FOR INBOUND. >> YEAH.
00:12:23>> A LOT OF THE STUFF WE GET IS
00:12:26GOING OUT BOUND.
00:12:30>> YOU MEAN GOING FROM THE U.S. INTO CANADA. >> EXACTLY.
00:12:33>> Paul: WHAT CUSTOMS AGENTS ARE ACTUALLY SEEING AT THE BORDER NEXT.
00:15:45>> Paul: LAST YEAR, U.S. PRESIDENT TRUMP DECLARED NATIONAL EMERGENCIES AT BOTH THE SOUTHERN AND NORTHERN BORDERS USING THE FENTANYL CRISIS AS
00:15:48JUSTIFICATION FOR TARIFFS.
00:15:52THE CBC'S WILLY LOWRY GOT A BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK AT HOW
00:15:54THE U.S. PROTECTS ITS BORDER WITH CANADA AT THAT BRAND NEW CROSSING, THE GORDIE HOWE
00:15:58BRIDGE.
00:16:03>> Reporter: THIS IS THE BRAND NEW U.S. PORT OF ENTRY FACILITY
00:16:06AT THE GORDIE HOWE INTERNATIONAL
00:16:08BRIDGE, PAID FOR ENTIRELY BY
00:16:11CANADA AS PART OF THE $6.4 BILLION CONSTRUCTION COST
00:16:14FOR THE BRIDGE.
00:16:17IT'S MASSIVE.
00:16:20400,000 SQUARE FEET, IT SITS ON
00:16:24NEARLY 170 ACRES OF LAND. >> WE'RE THE LARGEST NORTHERN
00:16:26BORDER PORT.
00:16:29>> Reporter: U.S. CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION INVITED THE
00:16:32CBC AND A HANDFUL OF OTHER NEWS
00:16:34OUTLETS TO TOUR THE FACILITY.
00:16:39WE GOT A BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK AT HOW THE U.S. ENFORCES THEIR
00:16:41NORTHERN BORDER.
00:16:46FROM THE SKY TO THE WATER...
00:16:48AND THERE'S LOTS OF WATER.
00:16:53THE DETROIT SECTOR COVERS 1,388 KILOMETRES OF THE BORDER, ALL OF
00:16:56IT ON THE WATER.
00:16:59THIS IS PART OF DAILY PATROLS PERFORMED BY U.S. CUSTOMS AND
00:17:02BORDER PROTECTION ALONG THE DETROIT RIVER AS WELL AS IN THE
00:17:06GREAT LAKES. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PLEASURE CRAFTS THAT ARE OPERATING
00:17:09SUSPICIOUSLY. >> FROM THE MOUTH UP HERE TO THE
00:17:13BRIDGE. ONE OF THE TOP SMUGGLING ROUTES
00:17:17IN ALL OF THE UNITED STATES. >> HOW MANY BOATS TODAY?
00:17:20EVERY BOAT COULD BE A SMUGGLER.
00:17:24UNLESS WE STOP EVERY SINGLE BOAT. SO YOU HAVE TO USE INTELLIGENCE
00:17:27AND PARTNERSHIPS TO SECURE THE
00:17:31AREA UP HERE. >> CANADA'S VERY BAD ABUSER.
00:17:35>> Reporter: WHEN U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP FIRST SLAPPED TARIFFS ON CANADA, HE CITED THE COUNTRY'S INABILITY TO
00:17:38PREVENT DRUGS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKERS FROM POURING ACROSS THE BORDER INTO THE U.S. AS
00:17:42JUSTIFICATION, CALLING IT A
00:17:43NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
00:17:48BUT THE REALITY ON THE GROUND IN MICHIGAN IS A LOT MORE
00:17:51COMPLICATED THAN THAT. >> NO, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BIG
00:17:54OF A PROBLEM FOR INBOUND. >> YEAH.
00:17:58>> A LOT OF THE STUFF WE GET IS
00:18:01GOING OUTBOUND.
00:18:05>> WHEN YOU SAY OUT BOUND, GOING >> WHEN YOU SAY OUT BOUND, GOING FROM THE U.S. INTO CANADA.
00:18:09>> EXACTLY. >> Reporter: THE SAME WITH GUNS? >> LOOK, THE GUNS ARE GOING TO BE MAINLY --
00:18:13>> COMING FROM HERE TO CANADA.
00:18:14>> WELL, NOT EXACTLY.
00:18:17THERE ARE WRONG TURNS. YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKING
00:18:20WRONG TURNS THAT ARE TURNING ON TO THE BRIDGE AND TURNING INTO
00:18:23THE TUNNEL AND SUBSEQUENT
00:18:25VEHICLE SEARCHES ACTUALLY RESULT
00:18:28IN FINDING WEAPONS. >> Reporter: WHILE SOME
00:18:31AMERICANS MAY BE ACCIDENTALLY
00:18:33BRINGING WEAPONS ACROSS, THERE
00:18:35IS ALSO A ROBUST ILLEGAL TRADE.
00:18:38IN 2024, NEARLY 90 PERCENT OF
00:18:40GUNS RECOVERED IN CRIMES IN ONTARIO WERE TRACED BACK TO THE
00:18:44U.S. THIS BORDER EXPERT SAYS BOTH
00:18:48COUNTRIES POSE THREATS TO EACH OTHER. >> FIREARMS FOR SURE BUT ALSO
00:18:52THE UNITED STATES IS THE IN
00:18:56BETWEEN THE MIDDLE -- THE MIDDLE
00:18:58GROUND FOR DRUGS COMING UP INTO OUR COUNTRY FROM MEXICO AND FROM SOUTH AMERICA.
00:19:02GOING SOUTH, THE THREAT THAT WE
00:19:07POSE IS ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WE LET IN ON TEMPORARY STATUS.
00:19:11>> Reporter: WHILE AUTHORITIES
00:19:14ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER LOOK TO CURB ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, IT'S NOT A MAJOR CONCERN FOR MANY
00:19:18PEOPLE IN DETROIT.
00:19:21>> NO.
00:19:25I'VE LIVED IN DETROIT MY WHOLE LIFE. I THINK CANADA IS RATHER
00:19:26FRIENDLY.
00:19:30WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, WE'D GO OVER
00:19:31TO CANADA ALL THE TIME.
00:19:35IT WAS LIKE A LITTLE GETAWAY.
00:19:36>> AS LONG AS YOU KEEP YOUR SIDE
00:19:41CLEAN AND WE KEEP OURS CLEAN, WE'RE GOOD.
00:19:45>> I LOVE IT.
00:19:52IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHAT THE TWO COUNTRIES ARE GOING THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE GOING RIGHT NOW.
00:19:56HOPEFULLY THE POLITICIANS GET THEIR HEADS TOGETHER AND FIX IT BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOUR. >> Reporter: DESPITE THE
00:20:00POLITICAL TENSIONS, U.S. OFFICIALS SAY THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR CANADIAN COUNTERPARTS REMAINS UNCHANGED. >> LOCALLY WE HAVE GREAT
00:20:04PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE AGENCIES ACROSS THE WATER. >> Reporter: FOR NOW THOSE PARTNERSHIPS CONTINUE TO BRIDGE
00:20:07THE POLITICAL DIVIDE. SECURITY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
00:20:10BORDER DEPENDS ON IT.
00:20:16IN 2025, U.S. BORDER OFFICIALS IN THE DETROIT SECTOR SEIZED
00:20:20MORE THAN 9300 POUNDS OF ILLEGAL DRUGS INCLUDING 33 POUNDS OF
00:20:23FENTANYL.
00:20:28THAT'S ACCORDING TO CBP, BUT
00:20:31STATISTICS DON'T REVEAL THE DIRECTION THE DRUGS WERE
00:20:34TRAVELING. AND A LOT OF THE DRUGS AND WEAPONS ARE FLOWING NORTH NOT
00:20:37SOUTH. >> Paul: WILLY, HOW DOES THAT
00:20:40COMPARE TO WHAT AGENTS SEE AT
00:20:42THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH MEXICO?
00:20:47>> Reporter: YEAH, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT UNIVERSES.
00:20:49STATSCAN SAYS FROM 2022 TO 2025,
00:20:54ALMOST 71,000 POUNDS OF FENTANYL WAS SEIZED AT THE U.S. SOUTHERN
00:20:56BORDER.
00:20:59THAT'S COMPARED TO ONLY 134 POUNDS IN NORTHERN BORDER AREAS.
00:21:02>> Paul: THANK YOU, WILLY. THE CBC'S WILLY LOWRY IN
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