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00:00:03their own property they need to hire not final site and and to
00:00:08buy the site, get permit to build and so on.
00:00:12These are processes
00:00:14that usually are very cumbersome and wrong.
00:00:17But the Quebec Co-op Confederation argues it's still
00:00:20worth it. It says that even if the upfront savings aren't as
00:00:24significant for new co-ops as the price of buying and renting
00:00:28goes up, Co-op residents will save money
00:00:30in the long term. Still, experts say that these kinds of
00:00:34living arrangements aren't for everyone.
00:00:38Of the reason is that we are individualistic in nature.
00:00:42People would like to own their own property,
00:00:46they'd suburbans. Once they move in,
00:00:48there can be there can be issues which getting along,
00:00:53how to share things and so on.
00:00:56The office of the Federal Housing minister did not
00:00:59respond to CBC's request for comment in time,
00:01:01but a spokesperson for Quebec's housing ministry told CBC that
00:01:05housing co-ops are an important model in the provinces housing
00:01:08supply ecosystem. It adds that funds are available through a
00:01:11variety of programs, including the Quebec Affordable
00:01:14Housing program. But experts say that if governments are
00:01:17serious about this kind of housing,
00:01:19they need to offer more money or even properties at a lower
00:01:22cost for these projects. Others say the Co-op movement also
00:01:26needs to promote itself
00:01:27better so that people see it as a viable option.
00:01:30This is something that definitely can be very
00:01:34attractive to some who want to hold in the housing market and
00:01:40that was it has fantastic potential.
00:03:56And we're back with the need for more housing across the
00:03:58country. Where will it all be built? Next up,
00:04:01some ideas on how to add to the supply of homes available.
00:07:55For 178 years, Kingston Penitentiary was home
00:07:58to many of Canada's most notorious criminals,
00:08:01among them serial killer Paul Bernardo and child murderer
00:08:04Clifford Olson. But now there's the possibility it could be
00:08:08your home, too. Last year, the infamous prison was added
00:08:12to a list of federal properties with housing potential. When I
00:08:16first learned about it, I was like, what the heck?
00:08:20Documents obtained by CBC News suggests the government
00:08:23considers the pen a sleeping
00:08:25giant waiting for redevelopment, estimating up to 700 units of
00:08:29housing could be built there.
00:08:32Kingston's MP doesn't buy it. Conversion of a property like
00:08:37this is, in my opinion, just a wildly unpractical. A
00:08:41visioning exercise recommended keeping the front gate in main
00:08:45cellblock but leveling about half of the site to put up
00:08:49housing, some in high rises overlooking
00:08:52Lake Ontario. Kingston Penitentiary,
00:08:55scene of the worst prison riot in Canadian history. The prison
00:09:00has survived fires, escapes and yes,
00:09:03riots. People would have to question investing, what would,
00:09:07I presume, be significant amounts of money
00:09:10and into place with with, if you believe in it,
00:09:14the spirits that that may be lingering around this site.
00:09:19One passerby took that a step further. They should just burn
00:09:23it to the ground and get rid of all the evil spirits. It's been
00:09:27called the Alcatraz of the North,
00:09:29with a reputation that's drawn more than 685,
00:09:32000 visitors and an estimated 10s of millions in tourism
00:09:36dollars.
00:09:37It's also a National Historic site. It was really,
00:09:41really how's the the full spectrum of the human
00:09:44experience here? If the day ever comes where the
00:09:48pen trades cell blocks for condos, would people move in?
00:09:52Kingston's MP already knows his answer. No, I wouldn't.
00:09:58Dan Tacoma, CBC News, Kingston, ON.
00:10:04AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING, AND AS TALIA RICCI SHOWS US, A TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND
00:10:16AS TALIA RICCI SHOWS US, A TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND THE MAN.
00:10:18TORONTO ARCHITECT FIRM IS BEHIND THE MAN. >> Reporter: THE PLAN IS ALSO
00:10:21>> Reporter: THE PLAN IS ALSO TO OPEN ITS DOORS WIDER THAN EVER BEFORE.
00:10:23TO OPEN ITS DOORS WIDER THAN EVER BEFORE. >> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO
00:10:27EVER BEFORE. >> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED
00:10:33>> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS TO ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO
00:10:35ADD THIS KIND OF REFRESHED VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM
00:10:37VISIBILITY, GRACED ELEVATION TO THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS
00:10:39THE LEGION, SO YOU CAN SEE FROM OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS OUTSIDE IN, AS WELL AS INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH
00:10:43INSIDE-OUT, TO HAVE THIS CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE STREET.
00:10:45CONNECTION WITH THE PEOPLE, WITH THE STREET. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT,
00:10:47THE STREET. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT, BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. THEY'RE HAVING A NEW RESTAURANT, BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND
00:10:52BAR, CEREMONIAL SPACE. SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT SO PEOPLE CAN COME AND PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL
00:10:55PARTICIPATE AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE AND LEGION. WOULD BE USED BY THE LOCAL PEOPLE AND LEGION. >> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION
00:10:59PEOPLE AND LEGION. >> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED
00:11:01>> Reporter: THE BALA LEGION HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT
00:11:04HERITAGE MANOR IS A PROPOSED MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY
00:11:06MIXED-USE REDEVELOPMENT THAT TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE
00:11:08TRANSFORMS THE LEGION PROPERTY INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS INTO A NEW MODERN HOME FOR THE BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS OF RENTAL HOUSING.
00:11:12BRANCH, TOPPED BY FOUR STOREYS OF RENTAL HOUSING. IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT
00:11:14OF RENTAL HOUSING. IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM
00:11:16IT'S PART OF AN OVERALL CONCEPT CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO
00:11:19CALLED ELEVATE, WHERE THEY AIM TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. TO TURN UNDER USED SITES INTO MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. >> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES
00:11:23MIXED-USE COMMUNITY HUBS. >> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF
00:11:25>> STARTED OFF LOOKING AT SITES IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF UNDER-UTILIZED ON GREAT, YOU
00:11:27IN TORONTO THAT WERE KIND OF UNDER-UTILIZED ON GREAT, YOU KNOW, PARCELS OF LAND NEXT TO
00:11:31KNOW, PARCELS OF LAND NEXT TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING
00:11:33PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND LET'S LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, DENSIFYING THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO
00:11:37THESE EXCITING, THAT'S LOOK AT WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE. WAYS TO CREATE THE SOLUTIONS TO BE COST-EFFECTIVE. >> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW
00:11:41BE COST-EFFECTIVE. >> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED
00:11:43>> Reporter: ABOVE THE NEW DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO
00:11:45DESIGN, 128 COMFORTABLY-SIZED RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY RENTAL APARTMENTS WILL AIM TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING
00:11:49PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED HOUSING MANY MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL MUSKOKA, WHILE MAINTAINING CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE
00:11:53CONNECTIONS TO THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE STONE AND WOOD.
00:11:55LANDSCAPE USING MATERIALS LIKE STONE AND WOOD. >> ALMOST ALL HAVE BALCONIES,
00:11:58>> ALMOST ALL HAVE BALCONIES, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LARGER UNITS. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LARGER UNITS. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30%
00:12:01UNITS. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THERE'S ALSO ALMOST 30% AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 20% ACCESSIBLE UNITS.
00:12:05AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 20% ACCESSIBLE UNITS. >> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS
00:12:0820% ACCESSIBLE UNITS. >> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE
00:12:10>> THE LEGION IN THE PAST WAS MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO MADE -- MOSTLY THOUGHT OF AS THE PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE
00:12:14PLACE WHERE VETERANS WOULD GO AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK. AND ENJOY A FEW BEERS A COUPLE OF DAYS A WEEK. WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT.
00:12:18OF DAYS A WEEK. WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT. >> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT
00:12:20WELL, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT. >> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT THIS SERVES AS A BLUEPRINT TO
00:12:22>> Reporter: THE HOPE THAT THIS SERVES AS A BLUEPRINT TO REIMAGINE OTHER LEGIONS ACROSS
00:12:26REIMAGINE OTHER LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH CANADA. THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR
00:12:29THE PRESIDENT OF THIS BRANCH SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. SAYS IT'S A RESPONSIBLE WAY FOR THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS
00:12:33THE ORGANIZATION TO EVOLVE. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. >> THERE ARE 1350 LEGIONS ACROSS CANADA. LARGE CITIES.
00:12:37LARGE CITIES. SMALL COMMUNITIES. HAMLETS. SMALL COMMUNITIES. HAMLETS. AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON
00:12:40HAMLETS. AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL
00:12:42AND THOSE LEGIONS ARE ALL ON WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL
00:12:45WATER AND SEWER, AND THEY ALL HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE
00:12:47HAVE EXCESS LAND, AND THEY ALL COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE COULD BE THERE TO HELP IN THE REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE
00:12:50REVITALIZATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOUSING RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> Reporter: THOSE INVOLVED IN
00:12:54COUNTRY. >> Reporter: THOSE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT SAY IT HAS THE POUR
00:15:00Today, we're focusing on housing
00:15:02stories from across Canada. Let's end by looking at how new
00:15:05technologies could transform and speed up building homes.
00:20:14For this machine to 3D print his entire house looking at
00:20:16these videos the future of construction appears to be here
00:20:20forget everything you thought you knew about building homes
00:20:24because the next housing revolution is being printed the
00:20:27promise is exciting 3D printing helps build homes quickly and
00:20:31cheaply. Maybe just what's needed to help solve the
00:20:35housing shortage with giant robotic arms. A 100 square
00:20:38metered house can now be created in just 24 to 48 hours
00:20:42in Canada. A few
00:20:43for proving that it can be done. So how many units do you have
00:20:47here? So we have 12 on this block
00:20:50here and 14 on that.
00:20:57But for others, the promise remains
00:20:59frustratingly out of reach. The system is broken. It really is.
00:21:03The construction industry is broken and it needs to be fixed
00:21:06because what they've been doing with traditional builds is not
00:21:10working.
00:21:12In Ontario's cottage country in Muskoka, we meet Linda Reisman,
00:21:16set to retire. She wanted to build a home on a patch of land
00:21:20she owned. But when construction companies quoted
00:21:23her how much building that house would cost,
00:21:26well over a million, she was shocked and says she
00:21:29couldn't afford that. And she's not alone. I spoke to people
00:21:33that are tradespeople, teachers, seniors, young families,
00:21:37and they told me over and over again that it's almost
00:21:41impossible to find
00:21:42home here and to be able to live in the community that
00:21:45they're supporting.
00:21:47Necessity became, as they say, the mother of invention. As
00:21:51Reisman thought of a way to build her own house and help
00:21:55others, too, she was also hearing of the new
00:21:58advances in 3D printing for housing. The light bulb went
00:22:02out that I could buy a 3D printing concrete machine. I
00:22:06could build a home. I could get the walls standing in 72 hours
00:22:10of print time.
00:22:12She bought this robotic arm needed for 3D printing concrete
00:22:16with close to $700, 000 of her own savings. And
00:22:19this is on wheels? Yep, it's a trailer that we can move
00:22:23the whole robotic arm to any site. Her idea was that this
00:22:27investment would make building her own house much cheaper and
00:22:31also help build houses in the community. I used all my own
00:22:35capital for it. We did get help from one lender,
00:22:38but basically I've used all my own capital.
00:22:42Wow. That's a that's a risk. It is like a risk at the time. Ohe
00:22:46yeah, it was a big risk because as
00:22:49great as it all sounded, I didn't think it was gonna be
00:22:53so hard. I thought we hear on every politician that stands in
00:22:57front of a camera is that affordable?
00:23:00We need affordable housing and quickly and quickly build,
00:23:04baby build. That is what we're going to do,
00:23:09building the homes we need in a matter of months,
00:23:12doing it with 3D printing and automation.
00:23:18In 2024, the federal government
00:23:20allocated $600 million, largely for innovation in home
00:23:24building.
00:23:26But when Linda Reesman tried to access some of that money,
00:23:29have you been able to access any money from the government?
00:23:33So no to your question, because 3D concrete printing
00:23:36doesn't fit in a traditional way. So Linda,
00:23:39you're telling me you talked to the local government,
00:23:42provincial government, the federal government, Nothing,
00:23:45Nothing.
00:23:47But for Linda's robotic arm to build homes,
00:23:50she has to find a way to work with builders and developers.
00:23:54It can't do the full job. But she says so far,
00:23:57everyone she's spoken to in Canada isn't willing to work
00:24:01with the technology. Tell me, Linda,
00:24:03what do you think is behind that?
00:24:05That fear or reluctance is just the fear of the new. Yes,
00:24:09it's unknown. So if I was able to build a proof of concept and
00:24:13people were able to come into it and touch it and feel it and
00:24:18see it,
00:24:19they would be amazed that it's not just a concrete home,
00:24:22it's a beautiful living space. The slow birth of 3D printed
00:24:26housing in Canada is in contrast to other parts of the
00:24:29world. In Germany, the business seems to be
00:24:32booming. China, Mexico, Denmark are all working with
00:24:35this technology. And in the US they've built everything from
00:24:39Walmarts to Starbucks to marine barracks using this method. So
00:24:43why does Canada seem to be lagging behind the construction
00:24:47industries like an ocean winner? It's a complex system and it
00:24:51takes a lot of time and effort to change its direction. This
00:24:54professor of architecture says the on mass adoption of 3D
00:24:57printing has to come from the industry,
00:25:00not just the government. You know, with 3D printing,
00:25:03you're only printing just the walls. I mean,
00:25:05sometimes you're including other things,
00:25:07but really you have to think about countertops and plumbing
00:25:11systems and electrical systems and how those are kind of
00:25:14synced up. Building code, zoning regulations,
00:25:16financing practices, all of these systems are aligned
00:25:20to the traditional ways we built. So in order for 3D
00:25:23printing to really take off in Canada,
00:25:25traditional builders and developers must get on board.
00:25:30This architect and professor of urban design agrees with that.
00:25:34She thinks 3D could be a solution,
00:25:36but not the silver bullet to solve Canada's housing crisis
00:25:39fast isn't always the thing that's going to bring us. The
00:25:43most sustainable solution, Which she's not so sure about
00:25:46is how long houses built this way will last,
00:25:49or if they will be able to be renovated and refurbished
00:25:52eventually. She also has other ideas about why 3D printing may
00:25:56not be the perfect fit for Canada. Our harsh winters,
00:26:00if we're thinking about insulation in Canada, you know,
00:26:04you need like this month's insulation in the house really
00:26:07and truly, particularly in the northern
00:26:10areas. I'd even say even wider still on a frigid winter's day
00:26:14in Gananoque ON that proof of concept that Linda spoke about
00:26:18does exist. Tell me about this project. It's one of the first
00:26:21ones of its kind in Canada, right?
00:26:24What we're sitting in is the 1st and largest neighborhood in
00:26:27Canada built using concrete 3D printing.
00:26:30The company took a chance and used 3D printed cement for
00:26:34exterior and interior wall construction of this townhouse
00:26:39complex. This is the kitchen, open concept kitchen,
00:26:44bathroom, very modern. The results of
00:26:46this high tech method may be surprisingly warm and organic
00:26:50with 3D printings, signature curved edges. The
00:26:53company CEO says they've thought about potential
00:26:56problems like insulation and solve them. You talked about
00:27:00the insulation. So this is what the insulation looks like. It's
00:27:04an outside wall here and then on the inside and all of that
00:27:08space, that thick space in between is
00:27:10the insulation. So that's why this is a warmer room than a
00:27:14traditional building. And it's cold outside right now,
00:27:18but it's quite. But it's quite warm here. Yeah. And it's also
00:27:22very quiet. The company did get a grant from the Canada
00:27:25Mortgage and Housing Corporation for the use of 3D
00:27:28printing. In an e-mail to CBC, the corporation says that's one
00:27:32of only three grants for 3D printing and construction
00:27:36they've given out so far, and then says there were
00:27:39technical and bureaucratic hurdles to overcome. Certainly
00:27:42the technologically challenges to demonstrate,
00:27:45for example, that this wall system and the
00:27:48methodologies satisfy Ontario building code regulations.
00:27:52That's one example. Finding engineers that would work with
00:27:55us, finding trades and contractors
00:27:58that would work with something new. But still,
00:28:00by reducing the number of workers needed and upping the
00:28:04speed of construction, they say they can considerably
00:28:07reduce the costs needed to build conventionally and that
00:28:11as the tech progresses in the industry,
00:28:13speed and savings will grow.
00:28:16And those kinds of savings are being seen in the rants. People
00:28:20who will live in these units will be charged. Eight of the
00:28:23units will be priced at around $1000 a month,
00:28:26which we think is pretty affordable. This is not the end
00:28:30of their 3D printing housing ambitions. Just east of
00:28:33Hamilton ON, they're building even bigger.
00:28:36It's an Indigenous lead design project. It's a three story
00:28:39building. It's going to be all built by 3D printing. All built
00:28:43by 3D printing. Multiple mobile robots running on the
00:28:46website. So it's leading edge certainly for Canada and it's
00:28:50one of, if not the biggest project in
00:28:53the world using this technology. The mix comes back in Muskoka.
00:28:57Linda Reesman still has hope despite setbacks. Do you feel
00:29:01like you maybe a little like almost too early on a trend?
00:29:05Too early? Definitely. I think they
00:29:07there's founders like me, there's companies like me that
00:29:11start early off and people just watch and they see what's going
00:29:16to happen to these companies.
00:29:18My goal is just to give people a place to live. It's really
00:29:23hard for people
00:29:25and I seen it first hand.
00:29:29Once somebody has a roof over their head,
00:29:33everything changes for them.
00:29:37For now, Linda and her partner are
00:29:39living in a rented condo. They're negotiating with
00:29:42construction companies abroad that work with 3D printing
00:29:45technology.
00:29:47Her business is also working with interior designers and
00:29:51using their 3D printer for outdoor landscaping projects.
00:29:55So this is an outdoor fire pit that we just have to finish and
00:29:59put the fire elements inside.
00:30:02And dreaming of when she'll see her own 3D house on this plot
00:30:06of land.
00:30:26I'm Adrian Arceneaux, chief correspondent for CBC News. Here's what's making news right now.
00:30:32TRIGGERING MASS EVACUATIONS. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
00:30:35THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES ALL
00:30:38PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITIES ALL AROUND NAG LAKE OKANAGAN ARE D
00:30:43AROUND NAG LAKE OKANAGAN ARE D TO LEAVE. TO LEAVE. THE CBC'S. THE CBC'S. >> Tanya: TANYA FLETCHER JS
00:30:47>> Tanya: TANYA FLETCHER JS US FROM VANCOUVER WITH MORE. US FROM VANCOUVER WITH MORE. THE STORY IS DEVELOPING SO THE STORY IS DEVELOPING SO QUICKLY.
00:30:50QUICKLY. WHAT ARE THE LATEST NUMBERS? WHAT ARE THE LATEST NUMBERS? >> Reporter: THE TWO BULLET
00:30:53>> Reporter: THE TWO BULLET POINTS ARE 20,000 PEOPLE ROUGHLY POINTS ARE 20,000 PEOPLE ROUGHLY AFFECTED BY THE EVACUATION