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00:00:24[♪♪] >> Karina: HELLO. >> Karina: HELLO. I'M KARINA ROMAN.
00:00:27I'M KARINA ROMAN. THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK. THIS IS CBC NEWS NETWORK. ANDREW NICHOLS IS AWAY.
00:00:29ANDREW NICHOLS IS AWAY. >>> CANADA TRADE MINISTER
00:00:32>>> CANADA TRADE MINISTER DOMINIC LeBLANC IS GETTING SET DOMINIC LeBLANC IS GETTING SET FOR ANOTHER HIGH STAKES MEETING
00:00:35FOR ANOTHER HIGH STAKES MEETING THIS HOUR.
00:00:39THIS HOUR. LeBLANC ALONG WITH CHIEF
00:00:40LeBLANC ALONG WITH CHIEF CANADIAN NEGOTIATOR JANET
00:00:43CANADIAN NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST IS MEETING WITH CHAREST IS MEETING WITH JAMIESON GREER.
00:00:47JAMIESON GREER. LeBLANC AND CHAREST HAVE BEEN
00:00:56LeBLANC AND CHAREST HAVE BEEN IN WASHINGTON FOR DAYS MEETING IN WASHINGTON FOR DAYS MEETING WITH GREER.
00:01:00WITH GREER. THE CBCs OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IS THE CBCs OLIVIA STEFANOVICH IS TRACKING THE STORY FOR US TODAY
00:01:03TRACKING THE STORY FOR US TODAY FROM OTTAWA.
00:01:05FROM OTTAWA. SHE JOINS US NOW.
00:01:09SHE JOINS US NOW. OLIVIA, AHEAD OF A MEETING SET
00:01:12OLIVIA, AHEAD OF A MEETING SET TO START IN ABOUT AN HOUR WHERE
00:01:16TO START IN ABOUT AN HOUR WHERE DO THINGS STAND?
00:01:18DO THINGS STAND? >> Reporter: WELL, THE MINISTER
00:01:20>> Reporter: WELL, THE MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S.
00:01:23RESPONSIBLE FOR CANADA-U.S. TRADE DOMINIC LeBLANC AND CHIEF
00:01:27TRADE DOMINIC LeBLANC AND CHIEF NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST MEET NEGOTIATOR JANET CHAREST MEET WITH JAMIESON GREER JUST A FEW
00:01:31WITH JAMIESON GREER JUST A FEW DAYS AGO THEY LEFT DISAPPOINTED DAYS AGO THEY LEFT DISAPPOINTED BY WHAT THE AMERICANS WERE
00:01:34BY WHAT THE AMERICANS WERE OFFERING AND THAT'S BECAUSE OFFERING AND THAT'S BECAUSE SOURCES SAY THE AMERICANS WERE
00:01:37SOURCES SAY THE AMERICANS WERE WILLING TO MAKE SOME
00:01:39WILLING TO MAKE SOME CONCESSIONS ON SECTORAL TARIFFS
00:01:42CONCESSIONS ON SECTORAL TARIFFS BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR CANADA TO BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR CANADA TO MAKE ANOTHER DEAL.
00:01:45MAKE ANOTHER DEAL. REMEMBER, CANADA IS LOOKING FOR REMEMBER, CANADA IS LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL WITH THE
00:01:48A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL WITH THE AMERICANS, ONE THEY HOPE THE AMERICANS, ONE THEY HOPE THE U.S. PRESIDENT WILL APPROVE
00:01:51U.S. PRESIDENT WILL APPROVE NEXT WEEK IN ORDER TO AVOID A
00:01:53NEXT WEEK IN ORDER TO AVOID A NEW 50% LEVY ON CANADIAN GOODS
00:01:55NEW 50% LEVY ON CANADIAN GOODS THAT'S SET TO TAKE EFFECT NEXT
00:01:58THAT'S SET TO TAKE EFFECT NEXT WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. CANADA LOOKING FOR A CANADA LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE DEAL THAT WOULD
00:02:02COMPREHENSIVE DEAL THAT WOULD NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE NEW TAHS NOT ONLY ADDRESS THE NEW TAHS BUT WOULD ADDRESS THE TARIFFS
00:02:05BUT WOULD ADDRESS THE TARIFFS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT'S NOT JUST CANADIANS WHO ARE
00:02:08IT'S NOT JUST CANADIANS WHO ARE URGING THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION, URGING THE U.S. ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, FOR
00:02:11THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, FOR THAT MATTER, TO CHANGE THE
00:02:18THAT MATTER, TO CHANGE THE TARIFF ATTITUDE, LET'S TAKE A
00:02:21TARIFF ATTITUDE, LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO WHAT SOME
00:02:24LISTEN NOW TO WHAT SOME AMERICAN -- AN INDUSTRY EXPERT AMERICAN -- AN INDUSTRY EXPERT HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT
00:02:27HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF NEGOTIATIONS AND WHY STATE OF NEGOTIATIONS AND WHY AMERICANS WANT TRUMP TO NOT
00:02:31AMERICANS WANT TRUMP TO NOT FOLLOW-THROUGH ON THIS THREAT. FOLLOW-THROUGH ON THIS THREAT. >> THE PRESSURE IS ON IN
00:02:35>> THE PRESSURE IS ON IN WASHINGTON. WASHINGTON. IT'S CERTAINLY ON IN OTTAWA.
00:02:37IT'S CERTAINLY ON IN OTTAWA. I THINK IT MIGHT BE PERHAPS I THINK IT MIGHT BE PERHAPS LESS VISIBLE, LESS APPARENT LESS VISIBLE, LESS APPARENT HERE IN WASHINGTON BUT
00:02:41HERE IN WASHINGTON BUT CERTAINLY BEHIND THE SCENES OUR
00:02:45CERTAINLY BEHIND THE SCENES OUR INDUSTRY, OTHER INDUSTRIES, ARE
00:02:46INDUSTRY, OTHER INDUSTRIES, ARE TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THE WHITE
00:02:51TAKING THE MESSAGE TO THE WHITE HOUSE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL
00:02:53HOUSE THAT THIS ADDITIONAL ROUND OF TARIFFS WILL STACK ON
00:02:56ROUND OF TARIFFS WILL STACK ON TOP OF EXISTING TARIFFS IS BAD
00:02:59TOP OF EXISTING TARIFFS IS BAD NEWS FOR U.S. MANUFACTURERS AND
00:03:02NEWS FOR U.S. MANUFACTURERS AND CERTAINLY BAD FOR CANADIAN CERTAINLY BAD FOR CANADIAN MANUFACTURERS.
00:03:05MANUFACTURERS. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US MORE IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE.
00:03:08COMPETITIVE. >> Reporter: SOURCES FAMILIAR
00:03:11WITH THE TRADE TALKS SAY THE U.S. IS MAKING SEVERAL DEMANDS U.S. IS MAKING SEVERAL DEMANDS OF THE CANADIANS INCLUDING THE
00:03:14OF THE CANADIANS INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THEY WANT AMERICAN FACT THAT THEY WANT AMERICAN BOOZE BACK ON CANADIAN STORE
00:03:17BOOZE BACK ON CANADIAN STORE SHELVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
00:03:21SHELVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THEY WANT TO SEE PREFERANENTIA
00:03:29THEY WANT TO SEE PREFERANENTIA ACCESS TO CRITICAL MINERALS AND
00:03:34ACCESS TO CRITICAL MINERALS AND ENERGY.
00:03:35ENERGY. DAIRY FARMERS AND DAIRY
00:03:39DAIRY FARMERS AND DAIRY PROCESSORS ASSOCIATION OF PROCESSORS ASSOCIATION OF CANADA RELEASED A JOINT
00:03:42CANADA RELEASED A JOINT STATEMENT TODAY SAYING THAT STATEMENT TODAY SAYING THAT THEIR SECTOR IS BEING DRAGGED
00:03:45THEIR SECTOR IS BEING DRAGGED INTO THESE TRADE TALKS AND INTO THESE TRADE TALKS AND THEY'RE URGING THE FEDERAL THEY'RE URGING THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND FOOD
00:03:49GOVERNMENT TO DEFEND FOOD SOVEREIGNTY IN THESE SOVEREIGNTY IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS GOING FORWARD.
00:03:52NEGOTIATIONS GOING FORWARD. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO THE LET'S TAKE A LISTEN NOW TO THE FINANCE MINISTER ON THE STATUS
00:03:55FINANCE MINISTER ON THE STATUS OF THESE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS
00:03:56OF THESE TRADE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE U.S.
00:04:00WITH THE U.S. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE >> YOU KNOW, WHEN THINGS ARE TOUGH WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN
00:04:03TOUGH WE FOCUS ON WHAT WE CAN CONTROL, SO WHAT DO WE CONTROL? CONTROL, SO WHAT DO WE CONTROL? WE CAN CONTROL TO BUY CANADIAN,
00:04:06WE CAN CONTROL TO BUY CANADIAN, WE CAN CONTROL TO REMAIN WE CAN CONTROL TO REMAIN BARRIERS BETWEEN PROVINCES.
00:04:09BARRIERS BETWEEN PROVINCES. WE CONTROL TO INVEST IN OUR WE CONTROL TO INVEST IN OUR ECONOMY, TO INVEST IN OUR
00:04:12ECONOMY, TO INVEST IN OUR BUSINESSES, TO SUPPORT BUSINESSES, TO SUPPORT CANADIAN.
00:04:15CANADIAN. WE CONTROL TO OPEN OVERSEAS
00:04:17WE CONTROL TO OPEN OVERSEAS MARKET, WE CONTROL OUR OWN MARKET, WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY.
00:04:21DESTINY. >> Reporter: SO THE FINANCE >> Reporter: SO THE FINANCE MINISTER IS SAYING THERE NO
00:04:24MINISTER IS SAYING THERE NO MATTER HOW THE NEXT FEW DAYS GO MATTER HOW THE NEXT FEW DAYS GO AND WHETHER THE U.S. DECIDES TO
00:04:28AND WHETHER THE U.S. DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TARIFFS MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE TARIFFS NEXT WEEK OR NOT CANADA WILL
00:04:31NEXT WEEK OR NOT CANADA WILL CONTINUE TO DO MORE WORK AT
00:04:33CONTINUE TO DO MORE WORK AT HOME TO MAKE THE COUNTRY MORE
00:04:36HOME TO MAKE THE COUNTRY MORE RESILIENT AND LESS DEPENDENT ON
00:04:38RESILIENT AND LESS DEPENDENT ON THE U.S.
00:04:40THE U.S. >> Karina: NOW, OLIVIA, WE ALSO
00:04:44>> Karina: NOW, OLIVIA, WE ALSO HEARD FROM U.S. TRADE EXPERTS.
00:04:55HEARD FROM U.S. TRADE EXPERTS. WHA WHA -- FROM SOME TRADE EXPERTS.
00:04:59WHAT ARE THEY SAYING RIGHT NOW? >> Reporter: WELL, THE TRUMP >> Reporter: WELL, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WANTS PROVINCES
00:05:03ADMINISTRATION WANTS PROVINCES TO RESTOCK THEIR SHELVES WITH TO RESTOCK THEIR SHELVES WITH AMERICAN BOOZE BUT SO FAR THE
00:05:06AMERICAN BOOZE BUT SO FAR THE PROVINCES HAVE RESISTED. PROVINCES HAVE RESISTED. WE HAVE HEARD FROM ONTARIO
00:05:10WE HAVE HEARD FROM ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG FORD WHO SAID HE PREMIER DOUG FORD WHO SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO REVERSE THE
00:05:14WOULD BE WILLING TO REVERSE THE AMERICAN BOOZE BAN BUT ONLY IF AMERICAN BOOZE BAN BUT ONLY IF THERE'S A FAIR DEAL AND ONE
00:05:17THERE'S A FAIR DEAL AND ONE THAT TREATS CANADA'S
00:05:20THAT TREATS CANADA'S MANUFACTURING SECTOR FAIRLY.
00:05:22MANUFACTURING SECTOR FAIRLY. WE'LL HEAR FROM QUEBEC'S
00:05:26WE'LL HEAR FROM QUEBEC'S PREMIER ABOUT THE TRADE TALKS PREMIER ABOUT THE TRADE TALKS AND HOW THEY WANT MORE SUPPORT
00:05:29AND HOW THEY WANT MORE SUPPORT FOR BUSINESSES. FOR BUSINESSES. >> I'LL BE CLEAR, WE WANT A
00:05:32>> I'LL BE CLEAR, WE WANT A FAIR DEAL FOR ONTARIO, WE WANT
00:05:33FAIR DEAL FOR ONTARIO, WE WANT A FAIR DEAL FOR CANADIANS, AND
00:05:37A FAIR DEAL FOR CANADIANS, AND WE NEGOTIATE THROUGH STRENGTH, WE NEGOTIATE THROUGH STRENGTH, NOT WEAKNESS, AND WE HAVE TO
00:05:40NOT WEAKNESS, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYTHING MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS WE PROTECT OUR AUTO
00:05:43HAPPENS WE PROTECT OUR AUTO SECTOR, OUR STEEL SECTOR, OUR
00:05:46SECTOR, OUR STEEL SECTOR, OUR AGRICULTURAL SECTOR, AND OUR
00:05:48AGRICULTURAL SECTOR, AND OUR FRIENDS IN THE ALUMINUM SECTOR
00:05:55FRIENDS IN THE ALUMINUM SECTOR IN QUEBEC. IN QUEBEC. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR MANUFACTURING SECTOR BEFORE WE
00:05:59MANUFACTURING SECTOR BEFORE WE PUT ANY BOOZE ON THE SHELVES. PUT ANY BOOZE ON THE SHELVES. >> WE'LL BE THERE SHOULD
00:06:01>> WE'LL BE THERE SHOULD BUSINESSES NEED OUR SUPPORT BUSINESSES NEED OUR SUPPORT BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE AN BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT APPLICATION OF NEW
00:06:05IMPORTANT APPLICATION OF NEW TARIFFS. TARIFFS. I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BE THERE ALSO BECAUSE
00:06:09WOULD BE THERE ALSO BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE NEGOTIATING, THEY ARE THE ONE
00:06:12NEGOTIATING, THEY ARE THE ONE WHO CAN SEE THE TYPE OF IMPACT
00:06:15WHO CAN SEE THE TYPE OF IMPACT THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED INTO THE THAT WILL BE TRIGGERED INTO THE NEGOTIATION, THE CURRENT
00:06:18NEGOTIATION, THE CURRENT NEGOTIATION.
00:06:19NEGOTIATION. >> Reporter: NOW SOURCES TELL
00:06:24>> Reporter: NOW SOURCES TELL CBC NEWS THAT THE DAY THAT
00:06:26CBC NEWS THAT THE DAY THAT HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN-TYPE
00:06:31HUNDREDS OF CANADIAN-TYPE IMPORTS WILL KICK IN AND CANADA
00:06:33IMPORTS WILL KICK IN AND CANADA WILL NO LONGER BE INTERESTED IN
00:06:36WILL NO LONGER BE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING THESE TRADE TALKS CONTINUING THESE TRADE TALKS BECAUSE PEOPLE AT HOME WILL BE
00:06:39BECAUSE PEOPLE AT HOME WILL BE SO ANGRY, AND THE PREMIERS, AS
00:06:41SO ANGRY, AND THE PREMIERS, AS WELL, WOULD LIKELY BE WANTING
00:06:44WELL, WOULD LIKELY BE WANTING TO RETALIATE.
00:06:48TO RETALIATE. SOURCES SAY THAT CANADIAN SOURCES SAY THAT CANADIAN OFFICIALS HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR
00:06:51OFFICIALS HAVE MADE THAT CLEAR TO AMERICANS AND WE'LL HAVE TO
00:06:54WAIT TO SEE IF AMERICANS COME THROUGH WITH SOMETHING BETTER, THROUGH WITH SOMETHING BETTER, SOMETHING THAT CANADIANS CAN SOMETHING THAT CANADIANS CAN ACCEPT.
00:06:58ACCEPT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HEARD FROM IN THE MEANTIME, WE HEARD FROM THE PRIME MINISTER BEFORE HE
00:07:00THE PRIME MINISTER BEFORE HE WENT ON VACATION. WENT ON VACATION. HE'S IN ITALY TAKING A REDUCED HE'S IN ITALY TAKING A REDUCED SCHEDULE, ON A REDUCED
00:07:04SCHEDULE, ON A REDUCED SCHEDULE, AND THE PRIME SCHEDULE, AND THE PRIME MINISTER SAID THAT EVERYTHING MINISTER SAID THAT EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE FOR CANADA AND
00:07:09IS ON THE TABLE FOR CANADA AND IF THE NEW
00:07:13OTTAWA. >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN
00:07:17ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE
00:07:20ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE.
00:07:24BONNIE CROMBIE. THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A
00:07:25THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS
00:07:29REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK
00:07:32THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES
00:07:36ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES AND JOINS US LIVE. AND JOINS US LIVE. MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO
00:07:39MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION?
00:07:41SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT
00:07:45DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM.
00:07:48MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM. EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT
00:07:52REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY
00:07:55P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND
00:07:59DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO
00:08:02PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T
00:08:06OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION OR PERSONAL REASONS.
00:08:10OR PERSONAL REASONS. THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED
00:08:13REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE
00:08:15SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY
00:08:18HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE
00:08:21LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION.
00:08:25WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION. NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST
00:08:29PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY
00:08:32IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER
00:08:36FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME. TIME. AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO
00:08:40AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO THE PARTY. THE PARTY. CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C.
00:08:43CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C. PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL
00:08:48PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT
00:08:51HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S
00:08:53PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S POLITICS BY WAY OF EXPLANATION
00:08:58BUT HE DID SAY I WOULDN'T DO IT, SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD
00:09:01HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT.
00:09:04HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT. WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES SAID IT'S $3,000.
00:09:08SAID IT'S $3,000. IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND
00:09:12EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY
00:09:16WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
00:09:17IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY,
00:09:20THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY, POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF
00:09:23FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET
00:09:25THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY
00:09:28SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO
00:09:32SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING
00:09:35SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING TALK TO THE PARTY.
00:09:38TALK TO THE PARTY. AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED
00:09:40AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A
00:09:43TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT
00:09:46STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN
00:09:48IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING.
00:09:52KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING. >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO
00:09:53>> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT
00:09:58ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE
00:10:01>> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS TO THIS REPORTING.
00:10:03TO THIS REPORTING. BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY
00:10:06HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO
00:10:10DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO FAR. FAR. NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT
00:10:13NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON
00:10:15THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT
00:10:18THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE
00:10:19TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION,
00:10:22COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION, THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY
00:10:25THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
00:10:29INAPPROPRIATE. HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P.
00:10:37HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P. STEPHANIE SMYTH. STEPHANIE SMYTH. >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S
00:10:41ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S PRIVACY. PRIVACY. IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY
00:10:44IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO
00:10:47THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY
00:10:50WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO
00:10:52PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS
00:10:56OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.
00:11:00JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS ABOUT THIS.
00:11:03ABOUT THIS. WHO AUTHORIZED THIS?
00:11:06WHO AUTHORIZED THIS? WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING?
00:11:09WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING? WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS OPERATION?
00:11:12OPERATION? AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY
00:11:14AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY LOOKING FOR?
00:11:17LOOKING FOR? >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO
00:11:21MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY,
00:11:24SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY, DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD
00:11:28A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY,
00:11:31QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING
00:11:35SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS.
00:11:38TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS. AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO
00:11:41AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA,
00:11:45INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA, AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE
00:11:48AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE THERE FOR THIS TRIP? THERE FOR THIS TRIP? BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE
00:11:51BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE
00:11:55NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR
00:11:58RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD
00:12:02THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY
00:12:06LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER
00:12:08EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA
00:12:11BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN ARMY TO DEFEAT HER.
00:12:15ARMY TO DEFEAT HER. SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA,
00:12:18OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA, IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO THESE TACTICS THAT WERE
00:12:22THESE TACTICS THAT WERE APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. PARTY.
00:12:26PARTY. SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTY.
00:12:29THE PARTY. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE
00:12:32HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH
00:12:36>> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH MEAGAN.
00:12:38THE SCENE. >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS
00:12:41>>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE
00:12:42LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS
00:12:47THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE
00:12:49CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL
00:12:52ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS
00:12:55THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE
00:12:58MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE ONTARIO PREMIER? ONTARIO PREMIER? >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING
00:13:01>> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL
00:13:04POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A
00:13:06LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE.
00:13:08LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE
00:13:11ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON
00:13:14CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE
00:13:17WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO BUILD.
00:13:21BUILD. THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT SEVERAL TIMES.
00:13:25SEVERAL TIMES. THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE
00:13:27FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE
00:13:30PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A
00:13:34INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO ONTARIO.
00:13:37ONTARIO. THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
00:13:40LOOKING FOR. MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO
00:13:44SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTORS.
00:13:47INVESTORS. HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE GRID.
00:13:51GRID. HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY
00:13:54FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY THEY USE. THEY USE. LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD TO SAY.
00:13:57TO SAY. >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT
00:14:01INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTMENTS. INVESTMENTS. INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR
00:14:04INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
00:14:06NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE
00:14:09INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE
00:14:11ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE.
00:14:14WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE. WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS
00:14:17WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE
00:14:21CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE DATA. DATA. >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS
00:14:23>> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE
00:14:27PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL
00:14:30ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER USE. USE. THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS
00:14:34THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE
00:14:36FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT
00:14:40HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT NEARBY BUILDINGS. NEARBY BUILDINGS. THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING
00:14:42THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
00:14:45COMMENT PERIOD. IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY
00:14:50ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE SIGNED ON FOR BY META.
00:14:53SIGNED ON FOR BY META. THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO
00:14:56THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA
00:14:58BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM
00:15:00CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER ENERGY RULES.
00:15:03ENERGY RULES. ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE DOOR'S OPEN. THE DOOR'S OPEN. C'MON IN.
00:15:07C'MON IN. >> VERY DIFFERENT. >> VERY DIFFERENT. NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL
00:15:09NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON THIS.
00:15:13THIS. HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES?
00:15:16POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES? >> Reporter: SOME STARTING >> Reporter: SOME STARTING FLEXING THAT PARTY.
00:15:19FLEXING THAT PARTY. OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A
00:15:22MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES
00:15:25CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED
00:15:29MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION,
00:15:32IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION, THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING IN A MORATORIUM.
00:15:35IN A MORATORIUM. BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO
00:15:38BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE
00:15:42PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND
00:15:43THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE WAS A VOTE.
00:15:47WAS A VOTE. THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST BEFORE THAT VOTE.
00:15:50BEFORE THAT VOTE. THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED.
00:15:51THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED. CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED
00:15:55CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM.
00:16:00TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM. PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR
00:16:04VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. >> Premier Doug Ford: IF
00:16:06>> Premier Doug Ford: IF SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT
00:16:10SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T
00:16:12HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL
00:16:14GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP.
00:16:16MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP. YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM.
00:16:20YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'VE COME SO FAR.
00:16:24THEY'VE COME SO FAR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. REALLY GOOD.
00:16:27REALLY GOOD. BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO
00:16:31BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. WITH IT. >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH
00:16:35WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT THE CONFERENCE OF THE
00:16:37THE CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A CLEARER PICTURE.
00:16:41CLEARER PICTURE. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> T
00:16:44CBC has learned a new Churchill Falls agreement could be
00:16:47announced next week from a source with direct knowledge of
00:16:51the deal, who is not authorized to speak
00:16:53publicly. Sources say the Premier, Tony Wakeham,
00:16:56is pleased with the deal that replaces the 2024 agreement.
00:17:00CBC has requested an interview with the premier,
00:17:03but the request has not been returned. A statement from his
00:17:07office says that while negotiations have progressed,
00:17:10a final deal has not been signed. Wacom has long spoken
00:17:13about not rushing into a deal with
00:17:16Quebec, but Liberal Leader John Hogan,
00:17:18who calls this the most important deal in the provinces
00:17:21history, fears it might have been with
00:17:24an election looming in Quebec, QC election,
00:17:26as we've been saying all along, will matter if the party Quebec
00:17:30where they've already been vocal about the deal today. If
00:17:34the party Quebec was elected this fall in Quebec,
00:17:36they said that they will cancel this deal. A former public
00:17:40servant who has long been critical of the 2024 MOU,
00:17:43Ron Penny, doesn't think the province should be celebrating
00:17:47with the rumors of a new deal because Quebec polls show there
00:17:51will be a government change and the leading party has been
00:17:54vocal about not supporting the existing MOU. If they say it's
00:17:58not something they're prepared to go along with,
00:18:01then the whole thing is dead again. Penny feels there was
00:18:05pressure from both sides to finalize the deal quickly.
00:18:08Negotiations for a deal resumed in May after an independent
00:18:12review deemed the previous announced MSU was not in the
00:18:16provinces best long term interest.
00:18:18Reports say the rumoured new deal will result in increased
00:18:22domestic power and more guaranteed access to
00:18:26transmission through Quebec. Despite this information,
00:18:29Hogan's heard the deal is similar to the one previously
00:18:34announced.
00:18:36Will try and say it's quite different,
00:18:38but all we've heard so far is that it's very similar. So if a
00:18:42new deal is announced next week, Hogan wants it debated in the
00:18:46House of Assembly. This is something that NDP Leader Jim
00:18:50Dean believes needs to happen. Let's have that fulsome debate
00:18:53so that the public can can listen in,
00:18:56can ask the questions. While Dean wants to see a debate,
00:18:59he is not hopeful it will happen. Another thing that he
00:19:03doesn't think will happen is the premier's promise of
00:19:06putting the final
00:19:08Churchill deal to a referendum. Wacom stated after his 2025
00:19:11election win a referendum would occur with any final deal that
00:19:16was made. But since taking office,
00:19:19Wacom has not stood by the promise saying he must have a
00:19:23deal first. I always thought a referendum and the way they way
00:19:27the PC trainer was incredibly naive on their part and and ill
00:19:32advised. Whether a final deal is coming next week is still up
00:19:36in the air, but similar to Newfoundland and
00:19:40Labradors, Premier Quebec says
00:19:42negotiations have picked up and a deal could be signed in the
00:19:46near term. Cameron Kilfoy, CBC News, St. John's.
00:21:51OTTAWA. THANKS. THANKS. >>> NOW TO LATEST ON BRITISH >>> NOW TO LATEST ON BRITISH COLUMBIA'S WILDFIRE
00:21:55COLUMBIA'S WILDFIRE EMERGENCY. EMERGENCY. PREMIER DAVID EBY SAYS THE
00:21:58PREMIER DAVID EBY SAYS THE PROVINCE'S EMERGENCY SER PROVINCE'S EMERGENCY SER SERVICES WERE OVERWHELMED BY
00:22:01SERVICES WERE OVERWHELMED BY THE SPEED OF THE BALD RANGE THE SPEED OF THE BALD RANGE WILDFIRE THAT'S BURNING NEAR
00:22:05WILDFIRE THAT'S BURNING NEAR THE OKANAGAN COMMUNITY OF THE OKANAGAN COMMUNITY OF SUMMERLAND. SUMMERLAND. EBY HAS PROMISED A REVIEW OF
00:22:09EBY HAS PROMISED A REVIEW OF THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE TO DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS
00:22:12DETERMINE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE NECESSARY. ARE NECESSARY. THAT INCLUDES THE NEED FOR
00:22:15THAT INCLUDES THE NEED FOR ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO HIGHWAY 97.
00:22:17HIGHWAY 97. THAT ROAD IS THE ONLY DIRECT THAT ROAD IS THE ONLY DIRECT PAVED NORTH-SOUTH ROUTE
00:22:20PAVED NORTH-SOUTH ROUTE THROUGH THE OKANAGAN VALLEY. THROUGH THE OKANAGAN VALLEY. BUT HAS BEEN CLOSED, DUE TO
00:22:24BUT HAS BEEN CLOSED, DUE TO THE BALD RANGE FIRE. THE BALD RANGE FIRE. >>> SO FOR MORE ON THIS
00:22:27>>> SO FOR MORE ON THIS STOREY, LET'S GO NOW TO STOREY, LET'S GO NOW TO VANCOUVER AND BRING IN THE
00:22:30VANCOUVER AND BRING IN THE CBC'S MICHELLE ALLEN. CBC'S MICHELLE ALLEN. MICHELLE, PREMIER EBY IS
00:22:33MICHELLE, PREMIER EBY IS PROMISEING THAT REVIEW OF PROMISEING THAT REVIEW OF BOTH FIRE ASSESSMENT AND
00:22:36BOTH FIRE ASSESSMENT AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE. EMERGENCY RESPONSE. WHAT IS THE REASONING HERE?
00:22:39WHAT IS THE REASONING HERE? >> Reporter: WELL, AARTI, >> Reporter: WELL, AARTI, THIS BALD RANGE WILDFIRE IS
00:22:43THIS BALD RANGE WILDFIRE IS ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE ONE OF THE MOST VOLATILE WILDFIRES B.C. HAS EVER WILDFIRES B.C. HAS EVER FACED.
00:22:47FACED. RAN ALL THE WILDFIRE SERVICE RAN ALL THE WILDFIRE SERVICE MODELS THAT MEANT TO PREDICT
00:22:50MODELS THAT MEANT TO PREDICT HOW FAST FIRES GROW AND HOW FAST FIRES GROW AND SPREAD. SPREAD. THIS MEANT THERE WASN'T ANY
00:22:53THIS MEANT THERE WASN'T ANY TIME TO ISSUE EVACUATION TIME TO ISSUE EVACUATION ALERTS.
00:22:55ALERTS. EBY SAID THERE WAS A HUGE DEMAND FOR SERVICE THAT'S WERE JUST NOT READY FOR A
00:22:59WERE JUST NOT READY FOR A DISASTER OF THIS SCALE. DISASTER OF THIS SCALE. THAT'S WHY EBY'S PROMISES
00:23:02THAT'S WHY EBY'S PROMISES AFTER-ACTION REVIEW INTO THE AFTER-ACTION REVIEW INTO THE BALD RANGE FIRE RESPONSE.
00:23:05BALD RANGE FIRE RESPONSE. ALL AGENCIES INVOLVED WOULD ALL AGENCIES INVOLVED WOULD MEET TO DISCUSS WHAT MEET TO DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED IN WAYS THEY COULD
00:23:09HAPPENED IN WAYS THEY COULD IMPROVE IN THE FUTURE. IMPROVE IN THE FUTURE. >> THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SET
00:23:12>> THERE'S AN IMPORTANT SET OF LESSONS FOR US TO TAKE
00:23:14ABOUT HOW QUICKLY THIS MOVED, AND THIS MAY BE OUR
00:23:16MOVED, AND THIS MAY BE OUR NEW NORMAL FOR FIRE SPEED,
00:23:19NEW NORMAL FOR FIRE SPEED, AND THAT CRUCIAL PIECE WORK AND THAT CRUCIAL PIECE WORK THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS AN
00:23:23THAT WE HAVE TO DO IS AN AFTER-ACTION REVIEW, WHICH
00:23:24AFTER-ACTION REVIEW, WHICH WE WILL DO TO DETERMINE HOW
00:23:28WE WILL DO TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN BE AS PREPARED AS WE CAN BE AS PREPARED AS POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THE
00:23:31POSSIBLE TO ENSURE THE SUPPORTS ARE THERE. SUPPORTS ARE THERE. >> Reporter: ALL THAT BEING
00:23:34>> Reporter: ALL THAT BEING SAID, EBY SAID HE'S BEEN SAID, EBY SAID HE'S BEEN IMPRESSED BY RESPONSE, IMPRESSED BY RESPONSE, CONSIDERING HOW FAST THE
00:23:38CONSIDERING HOW FAST THE FIRE MOVED AND HOW LITTLE FIRE MOVED AND HOW LITTLE TIME AUTHORITIES.
00:23:41TIME AUTHORITIES. THESE ARE SMALL COMMUNITIES THESE ARE SMALL COMMUNITIES THAT AREN'T BUILD TO MANAGE
00:23:44THAT AREN'T BUILD TO MANAGE THOUSANDS OF EVACUEES ON THOUSANDS OF EVACUEES ON SHORT NOTICE LIKE THIS.
00:23:47SHORT NOTICE LIKE THIS. HE SAID THE VOLUNTEERS, HE SAID THE VOLUNTEERS, EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND
00:23:50EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND LOCAL LEADERS HAVE DONE AN LOCAL LEADERS HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB RESPONDING TO INCREDIBLE JOB RESPONDING TO THIS CRISIS.
00:23:54THIS CRISIS. WE ALSO HEARD FROM CHIEF WE ALSO HEARD FROM CHIEF GREG GABRIEL OF THE GREG GABRIEL OF THE PENTICTON INDIAN BAND
00:23:58PENTICTON INDIAN BAND YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. HE SAID WE NEED TO DO MORE
00:24:01HE SAID WE NEED TO DO MORE THAN JUST RESPONSE TO THE THAN JUST RESPONSE TO THE FIRE.
00:24:05FIRE. HE'S CALLING FOR ACTION ON HE'S CALLING FOR ACTION ON WHY WILDFIRESET WORSE AND
00:24:08WHY WILDFIRESET WORSE AND WORSE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE WORSE AND MORE DESTRUCTIVE EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
00:24:11EVERY SINGLE YEAR. HERE'S WHAT GABRIEL TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT GABRIEL TO SAY, SOLUTIONS.
00:24:14SOLUTIONS. >> THESE WEATHER EVENTS NOT >> THESE WEATHER EVENTS NOT A NATURAL PHENOMENON.
00:24:17A NATURAL PHENOMENON. EACH AND EVERY YEAR, WE DEAL
00:24:19EACH AND EVERY YEAR, WE DEAL WITH SAME SITUATION, LIKE WITH SAME SITUATION, LIKE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY
00:24:23WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS TRYING TO FIX THESE
00:24:27PROGRESS TRYING TO FIX THESE PROBLEMS. PROBLEMS. I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE
00:24:29I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE USE OUR VOICES TO GET THE
00:24:33USE OUR VOICES TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT AND START COMING MESSAGE OUT AND START COMING TOGETHER, AND START LOOKING
00:24:37TOGETHER, AND START LOOKING AT WAYS WE CAN WORK TOGETHER
00:24:39AT WAYS WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIX PROBLEMS.
00:24:42TO FIX PROBLEMS. FIRST NATIONS NEED TO BE FIRST NATIONS NEED TO BE PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS
00:24:44PART OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS INTO CHIEF GABRIEL CALLED INTO CHIEF GABRIEL CALLED FOR MORE SCRUTINY TO
00:24:47FOR MORE SCRUTINY TO INDUSTRIES THAT COULD BE INDUSTRIES THAT COULD BE INCREASING THE RISK AND INCREASING THE RISK AND SEVERITY OF FIRES.
00:24:51SEVERITY OF FIRES. HE SAYS WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT
00:24:53HE SAYS WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO CHANGE, BUT SOMETIMES HE
00:24:56TO CHANGE, BUT SOMETIMES HE THINKS IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO THINKS IT MAY ALREADY BE TOO LATE. LATE. >> Aarti: OF COURSE, ONE
00:25:00>> Aarti: OF COURSE, ONE PART OF THE STOREY IS THE PART OF THE STOREY IS THE LESSONS BEING LEARNED, AS LESSONS BEING LEARNED, AS THIS STOREY CONTINUES TO
00:25:04THIS STOREY CONTINUES TO DEVELOP. DEVELOP. BUT WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SO BUT WE'VE ALSO HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING
00:25:08MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE HAD IN THESE AREAS THAT HAVE HAD TO WATCH THAT DEVASTATION TO WATCH THAT DEVASTATION UNFOLD AS IMPACTS THEIR
00:25:11UNFOLD AS IMPACTS THEIR HOMES. HOMES. WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT DAMAGE WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS HAPPENING, FOR
00:25:15ASSESSMENTS HAPPENING, FOR EXAMPLE, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE EXAMPLE, IN COMMUNITIES LIKE SUMMERLAND? SUMMERLAND? >> Reporter: WELL, WE KNOW
00:25:19>> Reporter: WELL, WE KNOW THAT THE IRE HAS DESTROYED THAT THE IRE HAS DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES -- FIRE HAS
00:25:22MULTIPLE HOMES -- FIRE HAS DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES, DESTROYED MULTIPLE HOMES, BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.
00:25:25BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY. THEY ARE STILL TAKING STOCK THEY ARE STILL TAKING STOCK OF ALL THE LOSSES. OF ALL THE LOSSES. THE PROVINCE IS CALLING IN
00:25:28THE PROVINCE IS CALLING IN THE HEAVY URBAN THE HEAVY URBAN SEARCH-AND-RESCUE, WHICH IS SEARCH-AND-RESCUE, WHICH IS A SPECIALIZED DISASTER
00:25:32A SPECIALIZED DISASTER RESPONSE TEAM, WHO WILL BE RESPONSE TEAM, WHO WILL BE DOING ASSESS HMTS SU
00:25:35DOING ASSESS HMTS SU SUMMERLAND. SUMMERLAND. THEY WILL BE NOTIFYING THEY WILL BE NOTIFYING PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES
00:25:39PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES DIRECTLY. DIRECTLY. WHILE MANY ANXIOUS TO FIND WHILE MANY ANXIOUS TO FIND OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE,
00:25:43OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT KELLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT KELLY GREENE SAYS THEY WANT TO
00:25:45GREENE SAYS THEY WANT TO HANDLE THIS IN A SENSITIVE HANDLE THIS IN A SENSITIVE WAY.
00:25:48WAY. >> THE LAST THING I WOULD >> THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY WANT IS TO HAVE SOMEBODY FINDING OUT THE SHOCK ON
00:25:52FINDING OUT THE SHOCK ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR TELEVISION SOCIAL MEDIA OR TELEVISION ABOUT THEIR HOME BEING LOST.
00:25:55ABOUT THEIR HOME BEING LOST. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE ARE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE ARE ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY ABLE TO CONNECT DIRECTLY WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE
00:25:59WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THEIR HOMES. CONDITION OF THEIR HOMES. THAT WORK IS ONGOING, AND AS
00:26:02THAT WORK IS ONGOING, AND AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE, WE WILL SOON AS WE'RE ABLE, WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION TO
00:26:05GET THAT INFORMATION TO PEOPLE. PEOPLE. >> Reporter: EMERGENCY >> Reporter: EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTRE DIRECTORS
00:26:09OPERATION CENTRE DIRECTORS SAY WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY SAY WE'RE STILL A WAYS AWAY FROM PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE
00:26:13FROM PEOPLE FROM PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO RETURN BEING ABLE TO RETURN SUMMERLAND.
00:26:15SUMMERLAND. DEBRIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARED DEBRIS NEEDS TO BE CLEARED AND ENERGY NEEDS TO BE AND ENERGY NEEDS TO BE RESTORED.
00:26:19RESTORED. IN TERMS OF THE WOMAN WHO IN TERMS OF THE WOMAN WHO DIED WHILE TRYING TO FLEE
00:26:22DIED WHILE TRYING TO FLEE THE FIRE, THE RCMP SAY THEY THE FIRE, THE RCMP SAY THEY ARE INVESTIGATING THE ARE INVESTIGATING THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HER
00:26:26CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND HER DEATH. DEATH. SINCE THE INVESTIGATION IS SINCE THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL IN VERY EARLY STAGES,
00:26:30STILL IN VERY EARLY STAGES, BUT OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE BUT OFFICER IN CHARGE OF THE PENTICTON RCMP SAY POLICE
00:26:32PENTICTON RCMP SAY POLICE ARE PROGRESSING AND PUSHING ARE PROGRESSING AND PUSHING FORWARD TO GET ANSWERS FOR FORWARD TO GET ANSWERS FOR HER FAMILY.
00:26:37Wildfires are burning across BC and homes have been destroyed.
00:26:41So what do you do if you found out you've lost everything?
00:26:44The first step would be to contact your insurance company
00:26:48and get that process started. Experts say if you have home
00:26:51insurance, you're likely covered for
00:26:53wildfire damage and will be reimbursed for living expenses.
00:26:57Things like hotel rooms, things like food where you're
00:27:00forced outside your home, things like a rental car if you
00:27:03don't have access to your vehicle, taxis,
00:27:06things like that, clothing, household items.
00:27:08But the process to rebuild can be a long one. It's multiple
00:27:12steps and it's a real exercise in patience. But it took two
00:27:15years for Antique Goyer to rebuild from the McDougall
00:27:18Creek wildfire near West Kelowna in 2023. Before the
00:27:21fire hit, she and her husband videotaped
00:27:24the layouts and contents of their entire house,
00:27:27a key step that helped document their losses with the insurance
00:27:30company. We were able to go through each room and then
00:27:34freeze the video and write down all the things that we saw and,
00:27:37and it it's an endless process. But without the videos, you're,
00:27:41you're relying on memories. For people like de Goyer,
00:27:44insurance covered nearly everything except for things
00:27:46like utilities, which she says she would have
00:27:49paid for anyway if her house didn't burn down. But what if
00:27:52you don't have insurance? When you come home and there's
00:27:55nothing left standing and everything is leveled,
00:27:57you don't know where to start. In 2021,
00:28:00Litton and the surrounding areas were devastated,
00:28:02flames destroying almost everything,
00:28:04including the home of Trisha Thorpe. We did not have
00:28:07insurance. We were outside of Fire Protection
00:28:09and we had wood heat. My situation is actually not
00:28:13unique across this province. Many in the community couldn't
00:28:17afford insurance or didn't qualify Thorpe relying on
00:28:20charities, nonprofit organizations and
00:28:23others to rebuild. We had a lot of help from community,
00:28:27from friends, from my family, or we never would have been
00:28:31able to do it. The the resources aren't there for
00:28:34people who lose their homes, at least not from a government
00:28:38perspective. In my opinion.
00:28:40Macy's Emergency Support Services program provides short
00:28:43term help. People can access food, clothing and shelter,
00:28:46but when it comes to long term recovery,
00:28:48that support differs on the event and eventually can run
00:28:51out. It is something that all of us need to spend a few
00:28:54minutes every year just to make sure we have the financial
00:28:57protection in place for our family and for what is likely
00:29:00the biggest financial asset we own,
00:29:02which is our home. With officials still assessing
00:29:05damage and wildfire season not over yet,
00:29:07experts are reminding everyone to review their coverage and plan head.
00:29:24Another brutal summer for wildfires and a growing
00:29:27shortage of a key tool can add air. Water bombers manufactured
00:29:31in Canada. We are under pressure. We know that this is
00:29:35a very important aircraft. For consecutive summers,
00:29:38politicians lament the lack of water bombers. We could use
00:29:42every water bomber we can get our hands on. One solution is a
00:29:46second production line, which is possible with federal
00:29:49government support, a move that could create a
00:29:52national fleet of firefighting aircraft.
00:29:55The world is burning up.
00:29:57We need equipment to be able to fight those fires and fight
00:30:00those fires effectively.
00:30:06The iconic yellow and red water bombers,
00:30:09nicknamed the Super Scooper, are prominent in the
00:30:12firefighting battle in Europe, the large Canadian amphibious
00:30:16aircraft repeatedly swooping down to fill up before dropping
00:30:20it all to douse flames, sometimes operating as a
00:30:24squadron to magnify their impact.
00:30:27You marry them, this French resident saying. I
00:30:30saw the flames coming, I saw the can add air. So I
00:30:33think it's thanks to them and surely the firefighters too.
00:30:36All the houses in the community were saved.
00:30:42This Spanish pilot describing the high winds and very strong
00:30:46turbulence, but the Canadair is
00:30:48specifically designed to fly in these conditions.
00:30:51At the same time, these extraordinary fires in
00:30:55France, Spain and Greece, sparking backlash over a
00:30:58shortage of the aircraft's new water bombers,
00:31:01were ordered in 2022. But the wait continues,
00:31:06these planes at the centre of the burning heat on political
00:31:10leaders for being unprepared to tackle the extreme summer
00:31:13weather. A world on fire and everyone looking for new planes.
00:31:17Right now we're stuck in a situation where the demand is
00:31:20huge because when the world is looking for more water bombers,
00:31:24newer water bombers, and we're not ready. Every
00:31:27continent on the earth, from Australia to Europe,
00:31:30Canada water bombers have proven their effectiveness over
00:31:33the last 60 years.
00:31:36The original design dates back to the 1960s,
00:31:39becoming a workhorse for fighting wildfires in Canada
00:31:43and Europe. About 160 of the aircraft are still operating.
00:31:47Experts say the world could use hundreds of new water bombers
00:31:52to expand their firefighting power and to replace aging
00:31:56fleets.
00:31:59What the world wants is being assembled in northeast Calgary.
00:32:04For decades, Bombardier built the aircraft
00:32:07but stopped in 2015 as demand slowed. Calgary based Haviland
00:32:11now owns the water bomber program and began the rare step
00:32:14of resurrecting and modernizing production. Four years ago.
00:32:20The 1st 2 aircraft of the revived Canadair Water bomber
00:32:24beginning to take shape. The wings,
00:32:26nose and cockpit on schedule to be complete in early 2028. This
00:32:30is a very hands-on hand built aircraft,
00:32:33always has been and it always will be. Start over here that
00:32:37take as many photos as you want. There is an immense amount of
00:32:41pride as executive Neil Sweeney shows off the production line.
00:32:45Yeah, so this is so this is the
00:32:48inside of the wing. Canadian history,
00:32:50technology and manufacturing,
00:32:52they're part of the Canadair story. So we make about 80% of
00:32:56the parts for this aircraft, and here in Canada it's about
00:33:0080% Canadian content. The world wants it badly. That's why the
00:33:04pride is also mixed with stress and scrutiny to deliver as
00:33:07communities are destroyed with each passing summer. We are
00:33:11under pressure. We know that this is a very important
00:33:15aircraft, not only for Canada but for the
00:33:17world. We take our responsibility to our customers
00:33:21and the people they serve very seriously. Thank you very much.
00:33:26Canadian premiers are also waiting. Alberta,
00:33:29Ontario and Manitoba all have the water bombers on order
00:33:32already. A few years of waiting and several more years until
00:33:39translating into more firm orders. Any new order today
00:33:43would only be delivered about 6 years from now at the earliest.
00:33:47Without those firm orders though,
00:33:49the company is reluctant to make the investments and hiring
00:33:53to ramp up production. That's why Albertus Premieres pitching
00:33:57to Place a big
00:33:58murder to give enough guaranteed work for Dehaviland
00:34:01to build a second production line. Danielle Smith is urging
00:34:05her provincial counterparts to partner with Ottawa so the
00:34:08federal government can step up to Haviland has 38 orders
00:34:11already and is planning to produce about 10 aircraft per
00:34:15year, the company has told Ottawa
00:34:17Directly. Manufacturing can double if a big order is made,
00:34:20something they'd have to consider. But if we had an
00:34:23order of 50 from Canada as an example,
00:34:26we would build a second line tomorrow.
00:34:29It wouldn't be cheap for the price tag for each aircraft,
00:34:33an estimated $80 million.
00:34:39How many water bombers Canada needs is an open question.
00:34:46For this summer, Ottawa leased 10 airplanes and
00:34:50helicopters for provinces and territories to use in fighting
00:34:54fires. They are in high demand. There definitely have been
00:34:58situations where we've had to triage requests that come
00:35:02through when there's competing requests coming in. Planes are
00:35:07effective in slowing the spread of wildfires,
00:35:10creating perimeters and reducing heat to help ground
00:35:14crews. Their effectiveness can be hindered by smoke
00:35:18in certain terrain. They're not the silver bullet to
00:35:22firefighting. So
00:35:24while planes are the sexy part of firefighting,
00:35:28there's a lot of other things that we need to consider with
00:35:33the ongoing threat that we're seeing from wildfires today,
00:35:39the federal government is considering whether to launch a
00:35:43national fleet of modern firefighting aircraft. It's one
00:35:46of the recommendations from a Senate report released in June.
00:35:50For now, the federal government says
00:35:52it's in close contact with the provinces and territories to
00:35:55coordinate efforts and identify the best ways to support one
00:35:58another in the face of the growing impacts of wildfires.
00:36:05If production at Dehaviland does not take off to meet
00:36:08growing demand, there is a risk foreign
00:36:10companies or countries could develop their own rival
00:36:13firefighting aircraft. Whether it's China, whether it's Russia,
00:36:17whether it's France, whether it's the UK,
00:36:19whether it's Greece, whoever they're going to,
00:36:22they're going to come out and they're going to move fast and
00:36:25furious.
00:36:29The warning comes at a time when the federal government
00:36:32wants to improve the national economy and bolster domestic
00:36:36manufacturing. For to havlin, that risk is real. We're always
00:36:39watching what our competitors are doing. We have the best
00:36:43aircraft, we have the best scooping
00:36:45aircraft in the world, bar none. We've had it for 60
00:36:48years, but having it for another 60
00:36:50years is not guaranteed. For now, as wildfires rage,
00:36:53the pressure continues to build on the company and the
00:36:57political leaders desperate for new super scoopers to arrive.
00:39:03REDACTED INFORMATION TO BE MADE PUBLIC. PUBLIC. >> THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS
00:39:07>> THE ISRAELI MILITARY IS MOVING IN ON THE OCCUPIED WEST
00:39:09MOVING IN ON THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK THIS MORNING AS THE JEWISH
00:39:12BANK THIS MORNING AS THE JEWISH SETTLER SIEGE OF PALESTINIAN
00:39:15SETTLER SIEGE OF PALESTINIAN HOMES REACHES ANOTHER FLASH
00:39:19HOMES REACHES ANOTHER FLASH POINT. POINT. >>> THIS IS SECURITY FOOTAGE
00:39:21>>> THIS IS SECURITY FOOTAGE SHOWING A RARE CONFRONTATION
00:39:23SHOWING A RARE CONFRONTATION BETWEEN THE IDF AND ISRAELI
00:39:27BETWEEN THE IDF AND ISRAELI SETTLERS TAKEN HOURS BEFORE SETTLERS TAKEN HOURS BEFORE ISRAEL DEPLOYED MORE TROOPS TO
00:39:31ISRAEL DEPLOYED MORE TROOPS TO THE WEST BANK AFTER FAILING TO THE WEST BANK AFTER FAILING TO FORCE AWAY SETTLERS.
00:39:34FORCE AWAY SETTLERS. >> LET'S BRING IN JULIA CHAPMAN
00:39:38>> LET'S BRING IN JULIA CHAPMAN IN LONDON. IN LONDON. WHAT IS THE ISRAELI MILITARY
00:39:41WHAT IS THE ISRAELI MILITARY DOING IN THE WEST BANK TODAY? DOING IN THE WEST BANK TODAY? >> Reporter: ISRAELI DEFENCE
00:39:45>> Reporter: ISRAELI DEFENCE FORCES HAVE CONFIRMs TO CBC NEWS FORCES HAVE CONFIRMs TO CBC NEWS THEY ARE SENDING IN MORE TROOPS
00:39:48THEY ARE SENDING IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN
00:39:51TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN AND AROUND THE VILLAGE.
00:39:54AND AROUND THE VILLAGE. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES DESCRIBE PALESTINIAN FAMILIES DESCRIBE BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES
00:39:58BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED
00:40:00AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND
00:40:03ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS
00:40:07ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS
00:40:09NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS ATTACKED HER HOME AND CUT IT OFF
00:40:12ATTACKED HER HOME AND CUT IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. BBC AND THE GUARDIAN HAVE
00:40:15BBC AND THE GUARDIAN HAVE REPORTED THE FAMILIES ARE
00:40:17REPORTED THE FAMILIES ARE RUNNING OUT OF FOOD SUPPLIES.
00:40:20RUNNING OUT OF FOOD SUPPLIES. THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS SENT IN
00:40:24THE ISRAELI MILITARY HAS SENT IN TROOPS TO BRING THE SITUATION
00:40:27TROOPS TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL.
00:40:30UNDER CONTROL. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM WITH SOLDIERS USING
00:40:34BETWEEN THEM WITH SOLDIERS USING TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS.
00:40:37SETTLERS. BUT THE SETTLERS HAVEN'T LEFT.
00:40:39BUT THE SETTLERS HAVEN'T LEFT. AND TODAY THE IDF SAYS ONE
00:40:41AND TODAY THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED AND
00:40:44ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED AND SOME ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS HAVE BEEN
00:40:48SOME ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS HAVE BEEN DISMANTLED.
00:40:49DISMANTLED. THE IDF SOLDIERS OF THE 51st BA
00:40:55THE IDF SOLDIERS OF THE 51st BA TAALIAN A-- BATTALION ARRIVED TO
00:40:59TAALIAN A-- BATTALION ARRIVED TO THE AREA.
00:41:01THE AREA. U.S. AMBASSADOR TOLL ISRAEL MIKE
00:41:04U.S. AMBASSADOR TOLL ISRAEL MIKE HUCKABEE CALLING THE SETTLERS
00:41:08HUCKABEE CALLING THE SETTLERS TERRORISTS. TERRORISTS. IT'S UNUSUAL TO HEAR HIM
00:41:12DEFENDING PALESTINIANS, WHICH I THINK UNDERLINES JUST HOW THINK UNDERLINES JUST HOW SERIOUS THE SITUATION IN THE
00:41:16SERIOUS THE SITUATION IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK HAS BECOME.
00:41:18OCCUPIED WEST BANK HAS BECOME. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT DAY 5 OF
00:41:21>> WE ARE LOOKING AT DAY 5 OF THIS PARTICULAR SETTLER SIEGE. THIS PARTICULAR SETTLER SIEGE. THE VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK
00:41:24THE VIOLENCE IN THE WEST BANK REGARDING SETTLERS DIDN'T BEGIN
00:41:26REGARDING SETTLERS DIDN'T BEGIN JUST ON SUNDAY, OF COURSE.
00:41:29JUST ON SUNDAY, OF COURSE. GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THIS.
00:41:32GIVE US SOME CONTEXT ON THIS. >> ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS IN THE >> ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK ARE ILLEGAL
00:41:35OCCUPIED WEST BANK ARE ILLEGAL UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. UNDER THE INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER.
00:41:38THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS VIOLENCE THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS IS RISING.
00:41:42AGAINST PALESTINIANS IS RISING. THE SITUATION WAS DISCUSSED AT THE SITUATION WAS DISCUSSED AT THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL
00:41:46THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE DEPUTY
00:41:48EARLIER THIS WEEK WHERE DEPUTY SPECIAL COORDINATOR GAVE HIS
00:41:52SPECIAL COORDINATOR GAVE HIS ASSESSMENT.
00:41:53ASSESSMENT. >> FRAGILE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA
00:41:56>> FRAGILE CEASE-FIRE IN GAZA AND REGIONAL INTENTIONS CAN
00:41:58AND REGIONAL INTENTIONS CAN CONSUME MUCH OF THE
00:42:01CONSUME MUCH OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY'S CONCESSION.
00:42:04CONCESSION. THIS HAS NOT BEEN A SUDDEN THIS HAS NOT BEEN A SUDDEN DETERIORATION.
00:42:07DETERIORATION. THERE IS ALSO THE DECADE OF
00:42:09THERE IS ALSO THE DECADE OF UNRESOLVED CONFLICT THAT HAS
00:42:12UNRESOLVED CONFLICT THAT HAS DEEPENED THE UNLAWFUL ISRAELI
00:42:16DEEPENED THE UNLAWFUL ISRAELI OCCUPATION.
00:42:21OCCUPATION. >> THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE
00:42:23>> THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS CRITICISM OF ISRAELI
00:42:25U.N. SAYS CRITICISM OF ISRAELI ACTION FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE ACTION FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAELIS.
00:42:29ATTACKS AGAINST ISRAELIS. WHILE ISRAELI LEADERS CONDEMN WHILE ISRAELI LEADERS CONDEMN EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THERE ARE
00:42:33EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THERE ARE FAR RIGHT FIGURES IN THE FAR RIGHT FIGURES IN THE GOVERNMENT ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING
00:42:37GOVERNMENT ACTIVELY ENCOURAGING THE DEVELOPMENT OF SETTLEMENTS. THE DEVELOPMENT OF SETTLEMENTS. LAST MONTH AFTER FOUR
00:42:41LAST MONTH AFTER FOUR PALESTINIANS AND TWO ISRAELIS PALESTINIANS AND TWO ISRAELIS WERE KILLED IN CLASHES IN THE
00:42:44WERE KILLED IN CLASHES IN THE WEST BANK. WEST BANK. BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VOWED TO
00:42:48BENJAMIN NETANYAHU VOWED TO ACCELERATE OF OUTPOSTS IN THE ACCELERATE OF OUTPOSTS IN THE WEST BANK.
00:42:51WEST BANK. PALESTINIANS ACCUSE THE ISRAELI PALESTINIANS ACCUSE THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT OF DISCRETING
00:42:54GOVERNMENT OF DISCRETING ALLOWING SETTLEMENTS AND NOT
00:42:57ALLOWING SETTLEMENTS AND NOT ENOUGH IS DONE FOR THE
00:43:01Well, immigration enforcement agents
00:43:03in the US may soon get be getting high tech gloves
00:43:06designed to deliver electrical shocks to people they're trying
00:43:10to detain. The plan is to spend between 10 and $20 million to
00:43:14purchase these devices and it's generating a lot of controversy.
00:43:17The ABC's Chris Reyes is in New York. She's tracking this story
00:43:21for us and joins us live. Hey, Chris,
00:43:24Let's begin with what exactly these devices look like and
00:43:27what ICE agents could use them for.
00:43:31Yeah, let me tell you all about it.
00:43:33Good morning, Arthur. So the glove is
00:43:36literally called GLOVE, which is actually an acronym
00:43:39that stands for Generated Low Output Voltage Emitter. And you
00:43:43wear these devices like you would a glove. It activates on
00:43:47skin only and emits about 30 electrical pulses per second.
00:43:51And the claim by the company that makes them is that it
00:43:54causes no injuries and that they've never had a lawsuit.
00:43:58And it simply creates enough of a shock for the person
00:44:02touched by it to fall to the ground. The advantage of this,
00:44:05according to the company and some law enforcement agencies
00:44:09using it, is that it gives officers an
00:44:11alternative tool before resorting to a weapon. So
00:44:14here's what one retired FBI agent said about it.
00:44:18I think it is a useful tool from the beginning of when you
00:44:21start law enforcement training, you learn about the force
00:44:24continuum. And any agent, law enforcement officer
00:44:27carrying out an operation wants to use the least force possible
00:44:30to do what they want to do, which is, you know,
00:44:33conduct that arrest safely. So there are different tools that
00:44:36you have along the way, you know, from verbal commands,
00:44:39soft physical controls, hard physical control,
00:44:41less lethal all the way up to deadly force.
00:44:46And the cost of these gloves, are they,
00:44:49as you mentioned already, 10 to $20 million for thousands
00:44:52of units if the Department of Homeland Security goes ahead
00:44:56with the order that it posted online earlier this week. We've
00:44:59mentioned that it is quite controversial. What kind of
00:45:03concerns do these electric shock gloves raise?
00:45:07What? To begin with, earthy tensions, as you know,
00:45:10as we've been reporting, between ICE agents and the
00:45:13communities that they patrol are perhaps at the highest
00:45:17level it's ever been since this agency was first created back
00:45:20in 2003 under President George W Bush post 911,
00:45:23when a bunch of different agencies relating to national
00:45:27security in the US consolidated to form the Department of
00:45:30Homeland Security. And even back then,
00:45:32it had many critics worried that this massive,
00:45:35powerful agency would trample civil liberties,
00:45:38that it's really under Trump and it would be in the 1st and
00:45:422nd administration that there has been a showdown between ICE
00:45:46and the groups that want it abolished. And just this year
00:45:50alone, as we've been covering here in
00:45:52the US ARTI, there have been several high
00:45:55profile clashes, including fatal ones with ICE,
00:45:58Renee Good and Alex Predict to name just two. So the idea that
00:46:02ICE is getting more weapons, even with claims that it's non
00:46:06lethal, is sparking major concerns, as you can
00:46:10imagine. Have a listen to one immigration advocate.
00:46:14I could list you more than 20 names of individuals that have
00:46:17been killed at the hands of ICE agents for no legitimate reason.
00:46:21They might be using them against the elderly
00:46:25individual, individuals with with heart
00:46:27conditions who may have a very significant reaction to an
00:46:30electric shock.
00:46:34So as you can imagine, earthy, this possible new purchase of
00:46:39these tools will just add more fuel to this already fiery
00:46:43debate about how much power ICE and ICE agent should have. So
00:46:48some have spoken out, arguing that these devices
00:46:52actually do hurt. One NYPD officer talking to NPR said
00:46:56that he's 63 and 250 lbs and it made him buckle to the ground.
00:47:01Other advocates say that ICE has been too quick to use
00:47:05force to begin with and that another tool like this would just lead
00:47:09to more harm and less accountability. OK, Chris,
00:47:11thank you for tracking this for us. That is the CBC's Chris
00:47:15Reyes in New York.
00:47:18The newly unsealed documents include search warrants,
00:47:21production orders and sealing orders. Now,
00:47:23the pages are largely redacted, as you can see here,
00:47:27but they do in part provide a snapshot into what happened
00:47:30that day when a shooter killed eight people in Tumblr Ridge
00:47:34and what evidence police sought in their investigation. The
00:47:38document say the morning of February 10th,
00:47:41RCMP responded to a string of 911 calls,
00:47:43first at the home of the shooter,
00:47:45which the documents identify as
00:47:4718 year old Jesse Van Rootselaar. One caller reported
00:47:512 dead bodies and shotgun shells on the floor inside the
00:47:54suspect's home and they thought the suspect was armed and had
00:47:58left. The police also took calls reporting a vehicle
00:48:01driving quickly and erratically from the home to Tumblr Ridge
00:48:05Secondary School. The document then describes sequence by
00:48:09sequence accounting of officers arriving on scene,
00:48:12hearing shots fired and entering the school. The
00:48:15document reads police were shot at by the suspect
00:48:18which caused them to hold while being shot at. Officers recount
00:48:22finding 6 victims at the school, plus the shooter who died of a
00:48:26self-inflicted gunshot wound. Now,
00:48:28it's not clear how much time elapsed throughout this
00:48:31sequence of events as time stamps were redacted. But the
00:48:35documents also laid out what evidence police sought in their
00:48:39investigation, which included computers,
00:48:41cell phones and cameras that may have belonged to Van
00:48:44Rootselaar. It also outlined when RCMP was notified of the
00:48:48two chat CPT accounts believed to be used by Van Rootselaar,
00:48:52that section was heavily redacted with nearly 7 pages of
00:48:56text fully blacked out. But it does say quote. Jesse's ChatGPT
00:49:00account was subject to an internal review in June of 2025
00:49:04after Jesse's chat conversation discussed matters that could be
00:49:08related to the school shooting and open AI ban Jesse Chachi BT
00:49:12account and did not notify police at the time. Now,
00:49:15up until this point, these documents have been
00:49:19sealed due to an application from police stating concerns that it
00:49:23could compromise the ongoing investigation. Now,
00:49:25the media consortium has been in court this week to argue for
00:49:29the redacted information to be made public. Jessica Chung,
00:49:33CBC News, North Vancouver.
00:51:37Today we are asking if your kid wants an E scooter. Are you
00:51:40saying yes or no,
00:51:45Yes or no? My guest this hour is Pamela
00:51:48Fuselli. She's the president and CEO of Parachute. That's a
00:51:51national charity that's focused on injury prevention of all
00:51:54kind. Now she also sits on the injury prevention committee of
00:51:58the Canadian Pediatric Society. Welcome to Ontario today,
00:52:01Pamela. Thanks for having me. Yeah, nice to have you here. OK,
00:52:04so I mentioned you said on this injury prevention committee of
00:52:08the Canadian Pediatric Society. I wonder in in those meetings
00:52:11what you hear from physicians or staff who work in an ER
00:52:15about the kinds of injuries
00:52:16the kids are getting from E scooters. The number of,
00:52:20of kids that they're seeing, it has just skyrocketed over
00:52:24the last couple of years. And we see that in the data that we
00:52:29have from the Canadian Institutes for Health
00:52:32Information and you know, their concern about the
00:52:36severity of these injuries. So, you know,
00:52:39we heard about the traumatic brain injuries and fractures
00:52:43and, you know, anything that injures your
00:52:46torso or your head
00:52:48are really, you know, cause for concerns because
00:52:51that's where your organs are located,
00:52:53your brain is located. Those are the things that we are
00:52:57concerned about those serious and fatal injuries,
00:53:00not not the bumps and bruises and even some in some cases,
00:53:03some minor, you know, simple fractures. So what's
00:53:07your own theory about the you know,
00:53:09the the the cause of this rise in the number of incidents when
00:53:13it comes to kids and you scooters on that. And I
00:53:16understand there's an easy looking question.
00:53:18The cause is that these are powerful motors attached to
00:53:22high amperage batteries. But why are they so popular?
00:53:25Why are so many families saying, yeah,
00:53:27we can see that this is a bit of a rocket in the hands of our
00:53:3010 year old, but we're still going to get
00:53:32one. But why is that happening? Well,
00:53:35I think there's a couple of things happening here. They
00:53:38look fun and they are fun, absolutely. But they're not a
00:53:41toy. And I think that's one of the major messages,
00:53:44the main messages that we want to get across to parents is
00:53:47these are motor vehicles. They have,
00:53:50they can go much faster than human powered scooters or bikes.
00:53:54And so the dangers and the risks that are associated with
00:53:58these devices are that much higher. They're also the way
00:54:02that they're with the way that they're designed,
00:54:05they have small wheels. So if you look at the size of a bike
00:54:10wheel versus an E scooter, the wheels are much smaller,
00:54:13which means they're less stable and controllable and they're
00:54:18more susceptible to
00:54:19being impacted by those Rd. irregularities, those cracks,
00:54:24those potholes, those curbs. And so it's more,
00:54:28much more difficult to, to control.
00:54:31So, you know, when we look at kids, I mean,
00:54:35just like motor vehicles, drivers of cars and trucks,
00:54:39you know, we limit the age groups that
00:54:41can use these because they go fast,
00:54:44because they require specific cognitive and physical
00:54:48abilities that this is no, no dissing the the younger kids,
00:54:52but just physically, developmentally,
00:54:55they just don't have those skills yet. And so we want to
00:54:59protect them until they can safely
00:55:02use these products. We're not saying don't use these products
00:55:06because there are some benefits, but the children under 16 is
00:55:10just a an A no go.
00:55:13It's a highly contagious disease lurking in the air.
00:55:16Measles have infected over 900 people in Manitoba. Now cases
00:55:21have fallen to a new low. You know,
00:55:24it's dropped down very significantly and while it may
00:55:28increase in the fall, I think that we're very likely
00:55:31well past any kind of peak. Measles climbed to over 100 new
00:55:36infections monthly from February to April. Cases have
00:55:40seen decline steadily down to only two
00:55:43in July, a number not seen since March
00:55:472025.
00:55:48With months of lower cases, Brandon's mayor says it hasn't
00:55:51been a concern. I think we went back to status quo and hold
00:55:54back to the historic standard. You know,
00:55:56this is this is something that for a generation we never
00:55:59worried about. No new infections were reported or
00:56:02detected by public health in about 3 1/2 weeks in July.
00:56:05That's the closest point the province has gotten of
00:56:08declaring its measles outbreak over in months. But experts are
00:56:11still concerned about not reaching her immunity in the
00:56:14province yet. It doesn't die out when there's a large
00:56:17community or a large
00:56:19population that's unimmunized and that's what we saw with
00:56:22this prolonged outbreak. 95% of the provinces population should
00:56:26be immune against measles to stop the virus long term
00:56:30because of how contagious it is. Public health says Manitoba is
00:56:34still far from that target. The current outbreak will likely
00:56:38end, but it might only be temporary.
00:56:40This could happen again and would be expected to happen
00:56:44again. People moving doors in the coming months for winter.
00:56:47Children go back to school.
00:56:49Infections in the US skyrocket. Dr. Philippe Lacewings says he
00:56:53expects cases to go up again. Anytime that you've got more
00:56:57kids or more people in close quarters in a single room,
00:57:01you are going to increase the risk of measles transmitting.
00:57:04Experts say only higher vaccination rates can prevent a
00:57:08future spread And the health complications,
00:57:11like dozens of hospitalizations that have come with it.
01:05:01OTTAWA. >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES >>> ONTARIO'S OPTICIAN PARTIES ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN
01:05:05ARE DEMANDING ANSWERS OVER AN ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE
01:05:07ALLEGATION THAT THE PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON CONSERVATIVE PARTY PIED ON FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER FORMER PROVINCIAL LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE.
01:05:11BONNIE CROMBIE. THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A
01:05:13THE ALLEGATIONS SURFACED IN A REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS
01:05:16REPORT IN THE ONLINE NEWS PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. PUBLICATION THE TRILLIUM. THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK
01:05:20THE CBC'S MEAGAN FITZPATRICK HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN HAVE IN GUELPH ONTARIO FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES
01:05:23ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT DATA CENTRES AND JOINS US LIVE. AND JOINS US LIVE. MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO
01:05:26MEAGAN, WHAT DID FORD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION?
01:05:28SAY ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE >> Reporter: WELL, KARINA, HE DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT
01:05:32DIDN'T DENY THE ALLEGATION THAT WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS WALLS REPORTED IN THE THIS MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM.
01:05:36MORNING'S -- THE TRILLIUM. EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD EARLIER THIS WEEK WEEK, THEY HAD REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT
01:05:39REPORTED ON SOME EXPENSES THAT HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO HAD BEEN FILED BY THE ONTARIO P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY
01:05:43P.C. PARTY IN 2023 WHERE THEY LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO LISTED EXPENSES FOR TWO DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND
01:05:47DIFFERENT HOTELS IN JAMAICA AND WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE WHEN ASKED TO EXPLAIN THEM, THE PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO
01:05:50PARTY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION SAY IN THE WAY OF EXPLANATION OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T
01:05:53OTHER THAN SAYING THEY WEREN'T FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION FOR SOMEBODY'S PERSONAL VACATION OR PERSONAL REASONS.
01:05:57OR PERSONAL REASONS. THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED
01:06:01REPORTING THIS MORNING AND CITED SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE
01:06:02SOURCES REPORTING THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY
01:06:05HAD BEEN SENT BY THE P.C. PARTY TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO TO JAMAICA WHERE FORMER ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE
01:06:08LIBERAL LEADER BONNIE CROMBIE WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION.
01:06:12WAS TAKING A PERSONAL VACATION. NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, NOW WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS TODAY, PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST
01:06:16PREMIER FORD SAYING HE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND FOUND OUT ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY
01:06:20IN THE TRILLIUM REPORTING THEY HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR HAD QUOTED A SPOKESPERSON FOR FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER
01:06:24FORD'S OFFICE SAYING THE PREMIER DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS AT THE TIME. TIME. AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO
01:06:27AND FORD SAYING TODAY TALK TO THE PARTY. THE PARTY. CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C.
01:06:31CBC HAS REACHED OUT TO THE P.C. PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL
01:06:36PARTY FOR ONTARIO TO ASK SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS REPORT AND HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT
01:06:39HAS NOT HEARD BACK YET BUT PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S
01:06:40PREMIER FORD SAYING IT'S POLITICS BY WAY OF EXPLANATION
01:06:45BUT HE DID SAY I WOULDN'T DO IT, SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T SEEMINGLY INDICATING HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD
01:06:48HAVE APPROVED OF THIS ACTION HAD HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE KNOWN ABOUT IT AT THE TIME. HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT.
01:06:52HE SAID HE DIDN'T APPROVE OF IT. WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES WOULDN'T DO T BUT MULTIPLE TIMES SAID IT'S $3,000.
01:06:56SAID IT'S $3,000. IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL IT IS ABOUT $3,000, THE HOTEL EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND
01:07:00EXPENSES FILED BY THE PARTY AND THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES THEY HAVE TO FILE THESE EXPENSES WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY
01:07:03WITH ELECTIONS ONTARIO AND THEY IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE
01:07:05IN PART HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY,
01:07:07THIS IS NOT JUST PARTY MONEY, POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART POLITICAL PARTIES ARE IN PART FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF
01:07:11FUNDED BY DONATIONS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET
01:07:13THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO THEY GET SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY
01:07:15SUBSIDIES THAT ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. TAXPAYERS, A PER VOTE SUBSIDY. SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO
01:07:19SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL FORD HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING
01:07:22SAY ABOUT IT, REPEATEDLY SAYING TALK TO THE PARTY.
01:07:25TALK TO THE PARTY. AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED
01:07:27AND BONNIE CROMBIE HAS CONFIRMED TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A
01:07:31TO CBC NEWS THAT SHE DID TAKE A VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND VACATION TO JAMAICA IN 2023 AND STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT
01:07:34STAYED AT ONE OF THE HOTEL THAT IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN
01:07:36IS THE P.C. PARTY FILED AN EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT EXPENSE FOR, BUT BEYOND, THAT KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING.
01:07:40KARINA, SHE'S NOT COMMENTING. >> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO
01:07:41>> Karina: WHILE WE WAIT TO HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE HEAR FROM THE PARTY, WHAT IS THE ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT
01:07:45ONTARIO OPPOSITION SAYING ABOUT THE SPYING ALLEGATION? THE SPYING ALLEGATION? >> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE
01:07:48>> Reporter: WELL, THEY'RE HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS HAVING PRETTY STRONG REACTIONS TO THIS REPORTING.
01:07:51TO THIS REPORTING. BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS BOTH THE N.D.P. AND THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY
01:07:54HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT TODAY SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, SAYING THAT THIS IS CREEPY, DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO
01:07:58DISGUSTING AND THAT IT WENT TOO FAR. FAR. NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT
01:08:00NOW POLITICAL PARTIES DO DO WHAT THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON
01:08:02THEY CALL OPPOSITION RESEARCH ON THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT
01:08:06THEIR POLITICAL OPPONENTS, BUT TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE
01:08:07TO FOLLOW SOMEONE OUT OF THE COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION,
01:08:10COUNTRY ON A PERSONAL VACATION, THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY
01:08:13THEY SAY IS COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE.
01:08:17INAPPROPRIATE. HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P.
01:08:24HERE'S M.P. -- LIBERAL M.P.P. STEPHANIE SMYTH. STEPHANIE SMYTH. >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN >> NOT ONLY DISTURBING BUT AN ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S
01:08:28ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF SOMEONE'S PRIVACY. PRIVACY. IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY
01:08:31IT GOES BEYOND ORDINARY POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH POLITICAL OPPOSITION, RESEARCH THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO
01:08:35THAT WE KNOW THAT PARTIES DO WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY
01:08:37WHEN WE SEE SOMEONE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO
01:08:40PHYSICALLY FOLLOWING SOMEONE TO OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS
01:08:44OBSERVE A POLITICAL OPPONENT IS JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW.
01:08:48JUST THE LOWEST OF THE LOW. AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS AND ONTARIANS DESERVE ANSWERS ABOUT THIS.
01:08:51ABOUT THIS. WHO AUTHORIZED THIS?
01:08:54WHO AUTHORIZED THIS? WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING?
01:08:57WHO APPROVED THIS SPENDING? WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS WHO WAS DIRECTING THIS OPERATION?
01:09:00OPERATION? AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY
01:09:01AND WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEY LOOKING FOR?
01:09:05LOOKING FOR? >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER >> Reporter: AND N.D.P. LEADER MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO
01:09:08MARIT STILES ALSO SPOKE TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. REPORTERS ABOUT THIS TODAY. SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY,
01:09:12SIMILARLY CALLING IT CREEPY, DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES DISTURBING,ING SAYING IT RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD
01:09:15A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS YOU HEARD SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING SMYTH SAY THERE, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY,
01:09:19QUESTIONS AROUND SECURITY, INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY INCLUDING QUESTIONS AROUND THEY SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING
01:09:23SAY HOW FAR DOUG FORD IS WILLING TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS.
01:09:25TO GO TO ATTACK HIS OPPONENTS. AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO
01:09:29AND THOSE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHO AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS AUTHORIZED THIS, WHO WAS INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA,
01:09:33INVOLVED, WHO WENT TO JAMAICA, AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE
01:09:35AND WHAT TOTAL EXPENSES WERE THERE FOR THIS TRIP? THERE FOR THIS TRIP? BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE
01:09:39BONNIE CROMBIE IS NO LONGER THE ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER, SHE'S NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE
01:09:43NOT DIRECTLY AN OPPONENT OF THE PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS PREMIER ANYMORE, BUT SHE IS RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR
01:09:46RUNNING FOR MAYOR RIGHT NOW FOR THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THE CITY OF MISSISSAUGA. THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD
01:09:49THAT'S THE JOB SHE USED TO HOLD BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL BEFORE BECOMING ONTARIO LIBERAL LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY
01:09:53LEADER AND DOUG FORD HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER
01:09:56EXPRESSED HIS OPPOSITION TO HER BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA
01:09:59BEING THE MAYOR OF MISSISSAUGA SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN SAYING HOW HE WOULD SEND IN AN ARMY TO DEFEAT HER.
01:10:02ARMY TO DEFEAT HER. SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE SO THAT HAS BEEN CITED BY THE OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA,
01:10:06OPPONENTS TODAY AS WELL, KARINA, IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO IN TERMS OF THEIR REACTION TO THESE TACTICS THAT WERE
01:10:10THESE TACTICS THAT WERE APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. APPARENTLY USED BY THE P.C. PARTY.
01:10:13PARTY. SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE SO WE'RE AWAITING MORE INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR INFORMATION, MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE PARTY.
01:10:17THE PARTY. BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND BUT IN TERMS OF THE PREMIER AND HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE
01:10:20HIS RESPONSE TO IT, AGAIN, HE SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. HE WOULDN'T HAVE APPROVED IT. >> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH
01:10:24>> Karina: THANKS VERY MUCH MEAGAN.
01:10:26THE SCENE. >>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS
01:10:28>>> THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT HAS LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE
01:10:30LAUNCHED A FRAMEWORK TO REGULATE DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IN THE PROVINCE. THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS
01:10:34THE ANNOUNCEMENT COMES AS CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE
01:10:37CONCERNS GROW ABOUT THOSE LARGE ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ENERGY SAPPING FACILITIES THAT ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL
01:10:40ARE USED TO POWER ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. INTELLIGENCE. THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS
01:10:43THE CBC'S MARK CARCASOLE JOINS ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. ME NOW IN STUDIO WITH MORE. MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE
01:10:46MARK, WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE ONTARIO PREMIER? ONTARIO PREMIER? >> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING
01:10:48>> Reporter: THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, THAT MANY PEOPLE IN ONTARIO, POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL
01:10:52POLITICAL LEADERS, MUNICIPAL LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A
01:10:53LEADERS HAVE CALLED FOR FOR A LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE.
01:10:56LONG TIME FROM THE PROVINCE. DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT DATA CENTRES IS WERE NOT NEW BUT ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE
01:10:59ONTARIO AND ACROSS CANADA WE HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA HAVE SEVERAL SMALLER DATA CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON
01:11:02CENTRES MEANT TO RUN THINGS ON THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CLOUD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE
01:11:05WITH THE ADVENT OF A.I., THERE ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES ARE LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRES THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO THAT MANY COMPANIES WANT TO BUILD.
01:11:08BUILD. THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU THINK OF THE BIGGEST FACTORY YOU CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT CAN THINK OF IT AND MULTIPLY IT SEVERAL TIMES.
01:11:12SEVERAL TIMES. THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THIS FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE
01:11:15FRAMEWORK BASICALLY IS THE PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE
01:11:18PROVINCE'S WAY OF DICTATING THE RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, RULES FOR ANYONE, ANY DEVELOPER, INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A
01:11:21INVESTORS WHO WANTS TO BRING A LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO LARGE SCALE DATA CENTRE INTO ONTARIO.
01:11:24ONTARIO. THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE THE THE PROVINCE SAYS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
01:11:28LOOKING FOR. MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD MOST MOATABLY, PREMIER DOUG FORD SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO
01:11:31SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL MAKE NO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTORS.
01:11:34INVESTORS. HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, HE SPOKE ABOUT DATA SOVEREIGNTY, RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE RULES FOR CONNECTING TO THE GRID.
01:11:38GRID. HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY HE WANTS THESE CENTRES TO PAY FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY
01:11:41FOR EVERY BIT OF ELECTRICITY THEY USE. THEY USE. LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD LET'S HEAR WHAT PREMIER FORD HAD TO SAY.
01:11:45TO SAY. >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO >> Premier Doug Ford: ONTARIO WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL WILL NOT OFFER FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT
01:11:49INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT INVESTMENTS. INVESTMENTS. INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR
01:11:52INSTEAD WE WILL RELY ON OUR NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
01:11:53NATURAL COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE
01:11:56INCLUDING OUR CLEAN AND RELIABLE ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE
01:11:58ELECTRICITY SYSTEM, AVAILABLE LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND LAND, COOL CLIMATE AND WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE.
01:12:02WORLD-CLASS WORK FORCE. WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS
01:12:04WE WILL ONLY ADVANCE PROJECTS THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND THAT STRENGTHEN ONTARIO AND CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE
01:12:08CANADA'S CONTROL OVER SENSITIVE DATA. DATA. >> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS
01:12:11>> Reporter: PREMIER FORD SAYS THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN THEY'LL ALSO ONLY INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE
01:12:14PROJECTS THAT INVEST BACK IN THE COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY COMMUNITY, BRING JOBS, ABIDE BY ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL
01:12:18ONTARIO'S ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER STANDARDS AND RESPONSIBLE WATER USE. USE. THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS
01:12:21THE ACTUAL DOCUMENT FOR THIS FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE
01:12:23FRAMEWORK ALSO TALKS ABOUT NOISE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE REDUCING TECHNOLOGY AND WASTE HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT
01:12:27HEAT RECOVERY TO POSSIBLY HEAT NEARBY BUILDINGS. NEARBY BUILDINGS. THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING
01:12:30THIS WILL GO OUT NOW STARTING TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC TODAY FOR A 30 DAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.
01:12:33COMMENT PERIOD. IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN IT'S A DIFFERENT TACTIC THAN IN ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY
01:12:37ALBERTA FOR EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE HAVE A $13 BILLION DATA CENTRE SIGNED ON FOR BY META.
01:12:41SIGNED ON FOR BY META. THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO
01:12:43THEY ARE ACTIVELY TRYING TO BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA
01:12:45BRING IN INVESTORS AND DATA CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM
01:12:48CENTRE DEVELOPERS COURTING THEM WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER WITH CHEAPER ELECTRICITY, LOOSER ENERGY RULES.
01:12:51ENERGY RULES. ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING ALBERTA IS ESSENTIALLY SAYING THE DOOR'S OPEN. THE DOOR'S OPEN. C'MON IN.
01:12:54C'MON IN. >> VERY DIFFERENT. >> VERY DIFFERENT. NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL
01:12:57NOW THE MUNICIPALITIES STILL HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON HAVE THE POWER TO WEIGH IN OP ON THIS.
01:13:00THIS. HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE HOW ARE THEY REACTING TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES?
01:13:03POSSIBILITY OF THE DATA CENTRES? >> Reporter: SOME STARTING >> Reporter: SOME STARTING FLEXING THAT PARTY.
01:13:06FLEXING THAT PARTY. OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST OAKVILLE HAS BECOME THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A
01:13:09MUNICIPALITY IN CANADA TO PUT A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON THE CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES
01:13:12CREATION OF ANY DATA CENTRES WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. WITHIN ITS TOWN LIMITS. MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED
01:13:16MISSISSAUGA NEARBY IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. TO VOTE ON THAT RELATIVELY SOON. IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION,
01:13:20IN TORONTO, AND WATERLOO REGION, THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING THEY'VE STOPPED SHORT OF PUTTING IN A MORATORIUM.
01:13:23IN A MORATORIUM. BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO
01:13:26BUT DIRECTED STAFF TO LOOK INTO IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE IT AND POSSIBLY ADVOCATE THE PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE
01:13:29PROVINCE FOR A FRAMEWORK LIKE THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND
01:13:31THE ONE THEY'RE SEEING NOW AND THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE THEN IN HAMILTON, ONTARIO, THERE WAS A VOTE.
01:13:34WAS A VOTE. THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST THERE WAS A LARGE SCALE PROTEST BEFORE THAT VOTE.
01:13:37BEFORE THAT VOTE. THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED.
01:13:39THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WAS PACKED. CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED
01:13:43CITY COUNCIL IN HAMILTON DECIDED TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM.
01:13:48TO FOREGO A MORATORIUM. PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE PREMIER FORD SPOKE ON THE VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR
01:13:51VARIOUS MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. STANCES ON THIS AS WELL. >> Premier Doug Ford: IF
01:13:54>> Premier Doug Ford: IF SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT
01:13:57SOMEONE SAID, OKAY, YOU'RE NOT HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T
01:14:00HAVING A DATA CENTRE BUT AREN'T GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL
01:14:01GETTING DATA AND USING SOCIAL MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP.
01:14:04MEDIA, PEOPLE WILL FLIP. YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM.
01:14:08YOU CAN'T HAVE NIMBYISM. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'RE NOT BAD. THEY'VE COME SO FAR.
01:14:11THEY'VE COME SO FAR. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOOD. REALLY GOOD.
01:14:15REALLY GOOD. BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE WANT ALL THE BENEFITS, BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO
01:14:18BUT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT. WITH IT. >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE >> THE PREMIER SAYS THE PROVINCE WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH
01:14:22WILL BE DISCUSSING THIS WITH MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT MUNICIPAL LEADERS NEXT WEEK AT THE CONFERENCE OF THE
01:14:25THE CONFERENCE OF THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A ONTARIO TO SORT OF GIVE THEM A CLEARER PICTURE.
01:14:29CLEARER PICTURE. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> Karina: THANKS, MARK. >> T
01:21:58Wildfires are burning across BC and homes have been destroyed.
01:22:02So what do you do if you found out you've lost everything?
01:22:05The first step would be to contact your insurance company
01:22:09and get that process started. Experts say if you have home
01:22:12insurance, you're likely covered for
01:22:14wildfire damage and will be reimbursed for living expenses.
01:22:18Things like hotel rooms, things like food where you're
01:22:21forced outside your home, things like a rental car if you
01:22:24don't have access to your vehicle, taxis,
01:22:27things like that, clothing, household items.
01:22:29But the process to rebuild can be a long one. It's multiple
01:22:33steps and it's a real exercise in patience. But it took two
01:22:36years for Antique Goyer to rebuild from the McDougall
01:22:39Creek wildfire near West Kelowna in 2023. Before the
01:22:42fire hit, she and her husband videotaped
01:22:45the layouts and contents of their entire house,
01:22:48a key step that helped document their losses with the insurance
01:22:51company. We were able to go through each room and then
01:22:55freeze the video and write down all the things that we saw and,
01:22:58and it it's an endless process. But without the videos, you're,
01:23:02you're relying on memories. For people like de Goyer,
01:23:05insurance covered nearly everything except for things
01:23:07like utilities, which she says she would have
01:23:10paid for anyway if her house didn't burn down. But what if
01:23:13you don't have insurance? When you come home and there's
01:23:16nothing left standing and everything is leveled,
01:23:18you don't know where to start. In 2021,
01:23:21Litton and the surrounding areas were devastated,
01:23:23flames destroying almost everything,
01:23:25including the home of Trisha Thorpe. We did not have
01:23:28insurance. We were outside of Fire Protection
01:23:30and we had wood heat. My situation is actually not
01:23:34unique across this province. Many in the community couldn't
01:23:38afford insurance or didn't qualify Thorpe relying on
01:23:41charities, nonprofit organizations and
01:23:44others to rebuild. We had a lot of help from community,
01:23:48from friends, from my family, or we never would have been
01:23:52able to do it. The the resources aren't there for
01:23:55people who lose their homes, at least not from a government
01:23:59perspective. In my opinion.
01:24:01Macy's Emergency Support Services program provides short
01:24:04term help. People can access food, clothing and shelter,
01:24:07but when it comes to long term recovery,
01:24:09that support differs on the event and eventually can run
01:24:12out. It is something that all of us need to spend a few
01:24:15minutes every year just to make sure we have the financial
01:24:18protection in place for our family and for what is likely
01:24:21the biggest financial asset we own,
01:24:23which is our home. With officials still assessing
01:24:26damage and wildfire season not over yet,
01:24:28experts are reminding everyone to review their coverage and plan head.
01:24:34It was pretty intense. It was pretty quick. Another storm
01:24:37hitting the city and these Nepean homes. It was probably
01:24:40maximum like this. The winds probably 5 minutes and we had
01:24:44about, I would say an inch and a half
01:24:46to two inches of hail on our like ice on our on our deck in
01:24:50the back, powerful winds and heavy rain
01:24:53over a short period of time causing significant damage. It
01:24:57was scary. The first thing my husband did was get our
01:25:00insurance policy out and started calling,
01:25:03but we did get reply from them pretty well within half an hour
01:25:08after and the city as well. This morning they've triaged
01:25:12our tree situation
01:25:15as a priority, so that was good too. Thousands
01:25:18of people had their power knocked out as wind gusts
01:25:22reached as high as 107 kilometers per hour. So we were
01:25:26outside looking at the window. We,
01:25:28we were looking outside because it was like a really,
01:25:32it was raining a lot. And then we saw a lightning going white,
01:25:36cyan, green and blue. And we thought
01:25:39that was like really bad. And then it started really raining
01:25:43and we heard
01:25:45like bam and we saw the tree fell. It was. I just wanted to
01:25:48know if everyone was OK cause like my neighbors,
01:25:50I've known them for a while and same with them and I was just
01:25:54worried about them. That's it. City crews were around Ottawa
01:25:58cleaning up debris again. It continues the trend we've seen
01:26:01for much of the summer and lot of thunderstorms.
01:26:04We had a record amount of rain in July and so far that's
01:26:08continuing in August. Some residents have been flooded
01:26:11multiple times this summer. They are looking for relief and
01:26:15changes. I think anybody would have PTSD every time there was
01:26:18like heavy rain in this neighborhood. So the
01:26:21infrastructure in this neighborhood really needs to
01:26:24change because it's really no fault of of the property owners.
01:26:28I don't think. With weeks still left in the summer,
01:26:31people across the city are anxious about more rain as they
01:26:34continue to clear the debris
01:26:36from previous storms. David Fraser, CBC News, Ottawa.
01:28:32>>> PEDIATRICIANS ACROSS CANADA ARE RAISING THE ALARM ABOUT THE DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND
01:28:37ARE RAISING THE ALARM ABOUT THE DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES. DANGERS OF E-SCOOTERS AND E-BIKES. THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A
01:28:40E-BIKES. THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE THEY RELEASED A REPORT SHOWING A STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG
01:28:44STARTLING NUMBER OF SEVERE INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, INJURIES AND EVEN DEATHS AMONG CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS
01:28:48CHILDREN WHO RIDE THE VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS WHICH ARE NOT MEANT FOR KIDS.
01:28:50ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC SCOOTERS WHICH ARE NOT MEANT FOR KIDS. LAUREN PELLEY REPORTS ON WHAT
01:28:54LAUREN PELLEY REPORTS ON WHAT THEY SAY NEEDS TO CHANGE. >> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON THEY SAY NEEDS TO CHANGE. >> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS
01:28:58>> Reporter: IT'S A COMMON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON SIGHT ON SUMMER NIGHTS: KIDS AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60
01:29:02AND TEENS RACING AROUND ON E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60 KILOMETRES OR MORE. E-SCOOTERS, HITTING 40 TO 60 KILOMETRES OR MORE. THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT
01:29:06KILOMETRES OR MORE. THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER
01:29:08THIS 12-YEAR-OLD BOY WAS LEFT WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. WITH A FRACTURED SKULL AFTER CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE
01:29:12CRASHING WITHOUT A HELMET. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY HE WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S
01:29:16WOULD NOT MAKE IT. >> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A
01:29:18>> Reporter: CRYSTAL DUNKLEY'S SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE SON SHAWN WAS IN A COMA FOR A WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL.
01:29:22WEEK LAST SUMMER AND SPENT MORE THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL. HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL THAN A MONTH IN HOSPITAL. HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS
01:29:26HE EVENTUALLY MADE A FULL RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS TO WEAR A HELMET. RECOVERY AND NOW REMINDS OTHERS TO WEAR A HELMET. >> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A
01:29:30TO WEAR A HELMET. >> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE.
01:29:32>> HE HAS TRIED TO TURN A TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS
01:29:34TRAGEDY INTO SOMETHING POSITIVE. >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING >> Reporter: CANADIAN DOCTORS SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING,
01:29:38SAY MORE KIDS ARE GETTING SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING, IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. SERIOUSLY INJURED, EVEN DYING, IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS
01:29:42IN E-SCOOTER ACCIDENTS. A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, A NEW SURVEY OF PEDIATRICIANS SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, 12ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26
01:29:46SUGGESTS THERE WERE TEN DEATHS, 12ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26 HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE
01:29:4812ICU ADMISSIONS, AND 26 HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO HOSPITALIZATIONS LASTING MORE THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE
01:29:52THAN TWO DAYS, ALL LINKED TO E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE YEAR. E-SCOOTER CRASHES IN JUST ONE YEAR. >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN
01:29:56YEAR. >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL >> THESE DEVICES ARE OFTEN MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT
01:29:59MARKETED AS TOYS, AND I WILL TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT TOYS. TELL YOU THEY'RE ANYTHING BUT TOYS. >> Reporter: SickKids IN
01:30:03TOYS. >> Reporter: SickKids IN TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS >> Reporter: SickKids IN TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM
01:30:07TORONTO IS AMONG THE HOSPITALS SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE SEEING A SPIKE IN INJURIES FROM TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR.
01:30:11TWO DOZEN CASES IN 2023 TO MORE THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR. >> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON THAN A HUNDRED LAST YEAR. >> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO
01:30:15>> AND THIS YEAR WE'RE LIKELY ON TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE
01:30:17TARGET FOR MORE THAN THAT SO WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER
01:30:19WE'RE JUST SEEING A COMPLETE EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY
01:30:21EXPONENTIAL RISE IN THE NUMBER OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY INJURY AND SO IT FOLLOWS THAT
01:30:23OF KIDS WE'RE SEEING IN ANY INJURY AND SO IT FOLLOWS THAT MORE SEVERE INJURIES WILL ALSO
01:30:27MORE SEVERE INJURIES WILL ALSO INCREASE THAT KIND OF SIMILAR RATE. INCREASE THAT KIND OF SIMILAR RATE. >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE
01:30:31RATE. >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER >> Reporter: E-SCOOTERS ARE ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER 16, BUT...
01:30:34ILLEGAL FOR MOST CANADIANS UNDER 16, BUT... >> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT 16, BUT... >> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING
01:30:38>> WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING OF AGE, WE'RE NOT SEEING ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED.
01:30:42ENFORCEMENT OF DOUBLE RIDING HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED. >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD
01:30:44HELMET WEAR IS NOT ENFORCED. >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME >> Reporter: THE 18-YEAR-OLD SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED
01:30:48SON OF FORMER CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU SKIPPED ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS
01:30:52ANY HEAD PROTECTION FOR A BACK TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS WEEK. TO SCHOOL E-SCOOTER AD THIS WEEK. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS
01:30:55WEEK. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> I WOULD SAY THIS IS THE ROLLS ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> Reporter: PROMPTING HIS MOM
01:30:59ROYCE OF SCOOTERS. >> Reporter: PROMPTING HIS MOM TO ASK WHERE'S YOUR HELMET?
01:31:01Your spy gadget PEI mom is one of a growing number of parents
01:31:04calling for an emergency alert system similar to an Amber
01:31:08Alert. It would be set in motion when a vulnerable person
01:31:11goes missing. Amber Alerts are only issued when police believe
01:31:15a child may have been abducted. This isn't going to be a matter
01:31:19of if it happens again. It's Tammy Ferguson's daughter
01:31:23Sophia is autistic and nonverbal and a wanderer. She's
01:31:26gone missing before for short periods of time. It's a huge
01:31:30fear
01:31:31again and it's not one I would wish on anybody. It's just
01:31:34absolutely debilitating and for the first few minutes I would
01:31:39just freeze and it would just be an adrenaline surge. Where
01:31:43where do I even begin? The death of an autistic boy in
01:31:46Calgary hit home for Ferguson. 11 year old Parker Wells
01:31:50disappeared from a day home on July 16th. His remains were
01:31:54found two weeks later. When you're dealing with these
01:31:58communities, time matters. So
01:32:01if this Indigo alert had been in place when Parker Wells went
01:32:05missing, um, there's no doubt in my mind he
01:32:08would have been saved.
01:32:10Nearly 40, 000 people have signed an
01:32:12online petition calling for the new Indigo alert. We shouldn't
01:32:16have to wait on this. I think the need has been identified
01:32:19again. I think it's an issue of life and death. Minutes count
01:32:22and when we have people perhaps wandering off who need help,
01:32:25we should get that notice out there as soon as possible. I
01:32:28just don't see a downside as to why government shouldn't act on
01:32:32this right away. My wife and I have thought a lot about this.
01:32:35Conservative Leader Pierre Palyed has written the federal
01:32:38Minister of Emergency Management calling for the changes.
01:32:42His seven-year old daughter has autism and is largely nonverbal.
01:32:46The alert system does need to be changed to allow for
01:32:51an alert to go out there. Some call it an Indigo alert. Where
01:32:55it might not be an abduction, there might be no evidence of
01:32:59any foul play, but where a vulnerable child or
01:33:02an autistic one might have wandered off,
01:33:04an alert could immediately go out. The Federal minister says
01:33:08efforts to strengthen the reliability and consistency of
01:33:12the national public alerting system are ongoing. The PEI
01:33:15government, which overseas the alert system
01:33:18here, says it plans to consult with
01:33:20police services and public safety partners
01:33:23about the Indigo alerts. Beyond tracking devices and emergency
01:33:27alerts, advocates say that public
01:33:29education is critical so people better understand the needs of
01:33:34neurodivergent people and how to help them if they get in
01:33:38trouble. Waiting. Tibeto. CBC News Crapo.
01:35:43PUBLIC JESSICA CHUNG, "CBC NEWS" NORTH VANCOUVER. >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI
01:35:48NORTH VANCOUVER. >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST >> THE LATEST TACTIC BY ISRAELI SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK IS BEING MET WITH
01:35:52SETTLERS IN THE OCCUPIED WEST BANK IS BEING MET WITH INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. BANK IS BEING MET WITH INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP
01:35:56INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION. THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING THIS WEEK, SETTLERS STEPPED UP THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES.
01:36:00THEIR ACTIONS BY SURROUNDING SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES. AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, SOME PALESTINIAN HOUSES. AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, LAYING SIEGE.
01:36:04AND ACCORDING TO THE RESIDENTS, LAYING SIEGE. AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL LAYING SIEGE. AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO
01:36:08AS JULIA CHAPMAN REPORTS, ISRAEL IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO RESTORE ORDER. IS NOW STEPPING UP EFFORTS TO RESTORE ORDER. >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN
01:36:11RESTORE ORDER. >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE >> ISRAEL SAYS IT HAS SENT IN MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE.
01:36:15MORE TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE. THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED SITUATION IN THE VILLAGE. THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT
01:36:19THE MILITARY SAYS, THEY ARRIVED OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE OVERNIGHT AND ARE CARRYING OUT WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT
01:36:23WHAT THEY CALL DEFENSIVE MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT THE AREA. MISSIONS AND PATROLS TO PROTECT THE AREA. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE
01:36:27THE AREA. PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR PALESTINIAN FAMILIES THERE DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS
01:36:31DESCRIBED BEING TRAPPED IN THEIR HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP
01:36:33HOMES AFTER ISRAELI SETTLERS ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES.
01:36:35ARRIVED ON SUNDAY SETTING UP TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS
01:36:37TENTS AND BLOCKADING ENTRANCES. ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS
01:36:39ONE RESIDENT TOLD THE REUTERS NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED NEWS AGENCY THAT THE SETTLERS HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM
01:36:43HARASSED HER FAMILY AND ATTACKED HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. HER HOME CUTTING IT OFF FROM WATER AND ELECTRICITY. THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE
01:36:47WATER AND ELECTRICITY. THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD THERE WERE REPORTS OF THE FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD SUPPLIES.
01:36:51FAMILIES RUNNING LOW ON FOOD SUPPLIES. WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS SUPPLIES. WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE
01:36:54WHILE THE ISRAELI MILITARY SAYS TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE TROOPS ARE GOING IN TO BRING THE SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE
01:36:58SITUATION UNDER CONTROL, THE MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS.
01:37:01MAYOR SAYS, HE HAS LITTLE CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS. >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE]
01:37:06CONFIDENCE IN THE SOLDIERS. >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE] >> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO >> [SPEAKING ANOTHER LANGUAGE] >> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO PRESSURE.
01:37:10>> THE MAYOR REFERS THERE TO PRESSURE. AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH PRESSURE. AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI
01:37:14AND FOOTAGE HAS EMERGED WHICH APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE APPEARS TO SHOW SOME ISRAELI SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED
01:37:18SOLDIERS PRAYING WITH THE SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS SETTLERS WHEN THEY FIRST ARRIVED RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO.
01:37:22RATHER THAN MOVING THEM ON AS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO. THE IDF SAYS IT IS THEY WERE SENT THERE TO DO. THE IDF SAYS IT IS INVESTIGATING.
01:37:25THE IDF SAYS IT IS INVESTIGATING. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES INVESTIGATING. YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM.
01:37:28YESTERDAY, THERE WERE CLASHES BETWEEN THEM. SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO BETWEEN THEM. SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS.
01:37:32SOLDIERS USED TEAR GAS TO DISPERSE THE SETTLERS. ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY DISPERSE THE SETTLERS. ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY LEAVE.
01:37:35ALTHOUGH THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY LEAVE. TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI LEAVE. TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED.
01:37:38TODAY, THE IDF SAYS ONE ISRAELI HAS BEEN ARRESTED. AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED HAS BEEN ARRESTED. AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF
01:37:42AND TROOPS HAVE DISMANTLED ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI ILLEGAL OUTPOSTS OUTSIDE OF THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL
01:37:46THESE HOMES FOR ISRAELI SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. SETTLEMENTS THERE ARE ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER.
01:37:50UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, THEY ARE GROWING IN NUMBER. THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS
01:37:54THE UNITED NATIONS SAYS, VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS THERE IS ON THE RISE. VIOLENCE AGAINST PALESTINIANS THERE IS ON THE RISE. A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING
01:37:58THERE IS ON THE RISE. A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N.
01:38:00A U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N. OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS
01:38:02EARLIER THIS WEEK, ONE U.N. OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI
01:38:04OFFICIAL SAID, THE WEST BANK IS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS AT BREAKING POINT THE ISRAELI AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO
01:38:08AMBASSADOR TO THE U.N. SAYS THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT THERE ARE REAL THREATS TO ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE
01:38:12ISRAELIS HE INSISTS THAT SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE PEACE. SETTLEMENTS DON'T JEOPARDIZE PEACE. AND ISRAELI LEADERS DO CONDEMN
01:38:15PEACE. AND ISRAELI LEADERS DO CONDEMN EXTREMIST VIOLENCE, THE
01:38:18Well, immigration enforcement agents
01:38:19in the US may soon get be getting high tech gloves
01:38:23designed to deliver electrical shocks to people they're trying
01:38:26to detain. The plan is to spend between 10 and $20 million to
01:38:30purchase these devices and it's generating a lot of controversy.
01:38:34The ABC's Chris Reyes is in New York. She's tracking this story
01:38:38for us and joins us live. Hey, Chris,
01:38:40Let's begin with what exactly these devices look like and
01:38:44what ICE agents could use them for.
01:38:48Yeah, let me tell you all about it.
01:38:50Good morning, Arthur. So the glove is
01:38:52literally called GLOVE, which is actually an acronym
01:38:56that stands for Generated Low Output Voltage Emitter. And you
01:39:00wear these devices like you would a glove. It activates on
01:39:03skin only and emits about 30 electrical pulses per second.
01:39:07And the claim by the company that makes them is that it
01:39:11causes no injuries and that they've never had a lawsuit.
01:39:14And it simply creates enough of a shock for the person
01:39:18touched by it to fall to the ground. The advantage of this,
01:39:22according to the company and some law enforcement agencies
01:39:25using it, is that it gives officers an
01:39:28alternative tool before resorting to a weapon. So
01:39:31here's what one retired FBI agent said about it.
01:39:35I think it is a useful tool from the beginning of when you
01:39:38start law enforcement training, you learn about the force
01:39:41continuum. And any agent, law enforcement officer
01:39:43carrying out an operation wants to use the least force possible
01:39:47to do what they want to do, which is, you know,
01:39:49conduct that arrest safely. So there are different tools that
01:39:53you have along the way, you know, from verbal commands,
01:39:56soft physical controls, hard physical control,
01:39:58less lethal all the way up to deadly force.
01:40:03And the cost of these gloves, are they,
01:40:05as you mentioned already, 10 to $20 million for thousands
01:40:09of units if the Department of Homeland Security goes ahead
01:40:12with the order that it posted online earlier this week. We've
01:40:16mentioned that it is quite controversial. What kind of
01:40:19concerns do these electric shock gloves raise?
01:40:24What? To begin with, earthy tensions, as you know,
01:40:27as we've been reporting, between ICE agents and the
01:40:30communities that they patrol are perhaps at the highest
01:40:33level it's ever been since this agency was first created back
01:40:37in 2003 under President George W Bush post 911,
01:40:40when a bunch of different agencies relating to national
01:40:43security in the US consolidated to form the Department of
01:40:47Homeland Security. And even back then,
01:40:49it had many critics worried that this massive,
01:40:52powerful agency would trample civil liberties,
01:40:55that it's really under Trump and it would be in the 1st and
01:40:592nd administration that there has been a showdown between ICE
01:41:03and the groups that want it abolished. And just this year
01:41:06alone, as we've been covering here in
01:41:09the US ARTI, there have been several high
01:41:11profile clashes, including fatal ones with ICE,
01:41:14Renee Good and Alex Predict to name just two. So the idea that
01:41:19ICE is getting more weapons, even with claims that it's non
01:41:23lethal, is sparking major concerns, as you can
01:41:26imagine. Have a listen to one immigration advocate.
01:41:30I could list you more than 20 names of individuals that have
01:41:34been killed at the hands of ICE agents for no legitimate reason.
01:41:38They might be using them against the elderly
01:41:41individual, individuals with with heart
01:41:44conditions who may have a very significant reaction to an
01:41:47electric shock.
01:41:51So as you can imagine, earthy, this possible new purchase of
01:41:55these tools will just add more fuel to this already fiery
01:42:00debate about how much power ICE and ICE agent should have. So
01:42:05some have spoken out, arguing that these devices
01:42:08actually do hurt. One NYPD officer talking to NPR said
01:42:12that he's 63 and 250 lbs and it made him buckle to the ground.
01:42:17Other advocates say that ICE has been too quick to use
01:42:21force to begin with and that another tool like this would just lead
01:42:25to more harm and less accountability. OK, Chris,
01:42:28thank you for tracking this for us. That is the CBC's Chris
01:42:32Reyes in New York.
01:42:36CAROLINE BARGHOUT "CBC NEWS" WASHINGTON. >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO
01:42:41WASHINGTON. >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO >> NEW DETAILS ARE COMING TO LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MASS SHOOTING IN
01:42:45LIGHT ON THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE MASS SHOOTING IN TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT THE MASS SHOOTING IN TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS
01:42:49TUMBLER RIDGE, B.C., THAT LEFT EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A
01:42:51EIGHT PEOPLE DEAD DOCUMENTS OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE
01:42:53OBTAINED BY "CBC NEWS" AND A CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS
01:42:55CONSORTIUM OF MEDIA OUTLETS ARE PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY.
01:42:57PAINTING A PICTURE OF THE EVENTS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY. BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS THAT UNFOLDED BACK IN FEBRUARY. BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING.
01:43:01BUT AS OUR JESSICA CHUNG TELLS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING. >> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS US, KEY DETAILS REMAIN MISSING. >> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS,
01:43:05>> THE NEWLY UNSEALED DOCUMENTS INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS, PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING INCLUDE SEARCH WARRANTS, PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING ORDERS.
01:43:08PRODUCTION ORDERS, AND SEALING ORDERS. NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY ORDERS. NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
01:43:12NOW THE PAGES ARE LARGELY REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A
01:43:14REDACTED AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT BUT THEY DO IN PART PROVIDE A SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT
01:43:18SNAPSHOT INTO WHAT HAPPENED THAT DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. DAY WHEN A SHOOTER KILLED EIGHT PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT
01:43:22PEOPLE IN TUMBLER RIDGE. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. AND WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING
01:43:26IN THEIR INVESTIGATION. THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED THE DOCUMENTS SAY, THE MORNING OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS.
01:43:30OF FEBRUARY 10TH, RCMP RESPONDED TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS. FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER TO A STRING OF 911 CALLS. FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED
01:43:34FIRST AT THE HOME OF THE SHOOTER WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN WHICH THE DOCUMENTS IDENTIFIED AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR.
01:43:37AS 18-YEAR-OLD JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD ROOTSELAAR. ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE
01:43:41ONE CALLER REPORTED TWO DEAD BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. BODIES AND SHOTGUN SHELLS ON THE FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS
01:43:45FLOOR INSIDE THE SUSPECT'S HOME. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THEY THOUGHT THE SUSPECT WAS ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS
01:43:49ARMED AND HAD LEFT. THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING THE POLICE ALSO TOOK CALLS REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE
01:43:53REPORTING A VEHICLE DRIVING QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY QUICKLY AND ERRATICALLY FROM THE HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY SCHOOL.
01:43:57HOME TO TUMBLER RIDGE SECONDARY SCHOOL. THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SCHOOL. THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING
01:44:00THE DOCUMENT THEN DESCRIBES SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE
01:44:02SEQUENCE BY SEQUENCE ACCOUNTING OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING
01:44:05OF OFFICERS ARRIVING ON SCENE HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS
01:44:07HEARING SHOTS FIRED AND ENTERING THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE THE SCHOOL THE DOCUMENT READS POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO
01:44:11POLICE WERE SHOT AT BY THE SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. SUSPECT -- WHICH CAUSED THEM TO HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX
01:44:15HOLD WHILE BEING SHOT AT. OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE OFFICERS RECOUNT FINDING SIX VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A
01:44:19VICTIMS AT THE SCHOOL PLUS THE SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND.
01:44:21SHOOTER WHO DIED OF A SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND. IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME
01:44:23SELF-INFLICTED GUNSHOT WOUND. IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE
01:44:25IT IS NOT CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE
01:44:27ELAPSED THROUGHOUT THIS SEQUENCE OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID
01:44:29OF EVENTS AS TIME-STAMPS WERE REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT
01:44:31REDACTED THE DOCUMENTS ALSO LAID OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH OUT WHAT EVIDENCE POLICE SOUGHT IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS
01:44:36IN THEIR INVESTIGATION -- WHICH INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY INCLUDED COMPUTERS CHECKS CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY HAVE BELONGED TO
01:44:39CELL PHONES AND CAMERAS THAT MAY HAVE BELONGED TO JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. HAVE BELONGED TO JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS
01:44:43JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT IT ALSO OUTLINED WHAT RCMP WAS NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY
01:44:47NOTIFIED OF THE TWO ChatGPT ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. ACCOUNTS BELIEVED TO BE USED BY JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY
01:44:50JESSE VAN ROOTSELAAR. THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES THAT SECTION WAS HEAVILY REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT.
01:44:54REDACTED WITH NEARLY SEVEN PAGES OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT. BUT IT DOES SAY, "JESSE'S CHAT
01:44:57OF TEXT FULLY BLACKED OUT. BUT IT DOES SAY, "JESSE'S CHAT PSC ACCOUNT WAS SUBJECT TO AN
01:45:00PSC ACCOUNT WAS SUBJECT TO AN INTERNAL REVIEW IN JUNE OF 2025 AFTER JESSE'S CHAT INTERNAL REVIEW IN JUNE OF 2025 AFTER JESSE'S CHAT CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS
01:45:04AFTER JESSE'S CHAT CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL CONVERSATION DISCUSSED MATTERS THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL SHOOTING.
01:45:08THAT COULD BE RELATED TO THE SCL SHOOTING. OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S SHOOTING. OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT
01:45:11OPEN A.I. BANNED JESSE'S ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT NOTIFY POLICE AT THE TIME. ChatGPT ACCOUNT AND DID NOT NOTIFY POLICE AT THE TIME. UP UNTIL THIS POINT, THESE
01:47:20ANY OTHER PROVINCE. >> Katie: I'M JOINED NOW BY >> Katie: I'M JOINED NOW BY THE POWER PANEL.
01:47:23THE POWER PANEL. SUPRIYA DWIVEDI WAS AN ADVISOR SUPRIYA DWIVEDI WAS AN ADVISOR TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TO FORMER PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU.
01:47:27TRUDEAU. ANDREW THOMSON IS A FORMER ANDREW THOMSON IS A FORMER SASKATCHEWAN NDP CABINET
01:47:29SASKATCHEWAN NDP CABINET MINISTER.
01:47:32MINISTER. AND HERE WITH ME IN STUDIO AND HERE WITH ME IN STUDIO GARRY KELLER IS A FORMER CHIEF
01:47:36GARRY KELLER IS A FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF TO CONSERVATIVE CABINET OF STAFF TO CONSERVATIVE CABINET MINISTER. MINISTER. GARRY, I'LL START WITH YOU
01:47:40GARRY, I'LL START WITH YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE IN STUDIO WITH BECAUSE YOU'RE IN STUDIO WITH ME. ME. BASED ON WHAT THE PREMIERS ARE
01:47:44BASED ON WHAT THE PREMIERS ARE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE SAYING, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE AT LEAST WILLING TO BE OPEN TO AT LEAST WILLING TO BE OPEN TO WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY
01:47:48WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY ASK OF THEM. ASK OF THEM. IS THAT ONE SORT OF OBSTACLE FOY
01:47:51IS THAT ONE SORT OF OBSTACLE FOY FOR THE CANADIAN TEAM? FOR THE CANADIAN TEAM? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE >> I DON'T THINK IT'S OUT OF THE WAY AT ALL.
01:47:55WAY AT ALL. THREE WEEKS AGO, DAVID EBY WAS THREE WEEKS AGO, DAVID EBY WAS SAYING COME HELL OR HIGH WATER
01:47:58SAYING COME HELL OR HIGH WATER WE ARE NEVER -- NEVER PUTTING WE ARE NEVER -- NEVER PUTTING U.S. BOOZE BACK ON THE SHELVES.
01:48:01U.S. BOOZE BACK ON THE SHELVES. AND NOW IT'S, LIKE, BEING -- AND NOW IT'S, LIKE, BEING -- HE'S CLEARLY BEING ASKED TO DO A
01:48:05HE'S CLEARLY BEING ASKED TO DO A BIG THING. BIG THING. CHRISTINE FRECHETTE IN QUEBEC
01:48:08CHRISTINE FRECHETTE IN QUEBEC ALSO THE SAME THING. ALSO THE SAME THING. QUEBEC WILL ESTABLISH ITS OWN QUEBEC WILL ESTABLISH ITS OWN DESTINY.
01:48:12DESTINY. NOW, YOU KNOW, DOUG FORD IN
01:48:14NOW, YOU KNOW, DOUG FORD IN ONTARIO WHO HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR
01:48:16ONTARIO WHO HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT NO U.S. BOOZE ON THE THAT NO U.S. BOOZE ON THE SHELVES -- AGAIN, THAT KIND OF
01:48:20SHELVES -- AGAIN, THAT KIND OF COME HELL OR HIGH WATER APPROACH COME HELL OR HIGH WATER APPROACH WAS HIS APPROACH AND NOW WE'RE
01:48:24WAS HIS APPROACH AND NOW WE'RE STARTING TO SAY IF WE GET STARTING TO SAY IF WE GET PROTECTION ON THE OTHER THINGS,
01:48:27PROTECTION ON THE OTHER THINGS, WE MIGHT SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT. WE MIGHT SEE MOVEMENT ON THAT. I THINK FOR ME, THE BOOZE BAN IS
01:48:30I THINK FOR ME, THE BOOZE BAN IS REALLY INTERESTING -- THE REALLY INTERESTING -- THE ALCOHOL BAN THAT 8 OF THE 10
01:48:34ALCOHOL BAN THAT 8 OF THE 10 PROVINCES HAD BECAUSE I THINK PROVINCES HAD BECAUSE I THINK FOR A LOT OF THE CANADIANS IT'S
01:48:37FOR A LOT OF THE CANADIANS IT'S BEEN A SIGN OF THE ELBOWS UP BEEN A SIGN OF THE ELBOWS UP APPROACH. APPROACH. IF IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER
01:48:41IF IT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER CONCESSION TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP, CONCESSION TOWARDS DONALD TRUMP, IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO
01:48:44IT WILL BE VERY INTERESTING TO SEE CANADIAN PUBLIC OPINION WHO SEE CANADIAN PUBLIC OPINION WHO I THINK FEELS VERY STRONGLY
01:48:48I THINK FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT AND MUCH MORE STRONGLY ABOUT AND MUCH MORE STRONGLY ABOUT THE IMPACT MIGHT ACTUALLY
01:48:51ABOUT THE IMPACT MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE. HAVE. YES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
01:48:55YES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CARPING AMONGST THE KENTUCKY
01:48:57CARPING AMONGST THE KENTUCKY BOURBON MANUFACTURERS, AND A LOT
01:49:01BOURBON MANUFACTURERS, AND A LOT OF CANADIANS FEEL THE IMPACT.
01:49:02OF CANADIANS FEEL THE IMPACT. IF IT GOES THE WAY OF THE DODO
01:49:05IF IT GOES THE WAY OF THE DODO BIRD IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS, I BIRD IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS, I WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE
01:49:08WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE CANADIAN REACTION TO THAT. CANADIAN REACTION TO THAT. >> Katie: SUPRIYA, WHAT DO YOU
01:49:12>> Katie: SUPRIYA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF GARRY'S POINT THERE,
01:49:13MAKE OF GARRY'S POINT THERE, THAT THE ELBOWS UP, THAT IT IS
01:49:18THAT THE ELBOWS UP, THAT IT IS LED BY THAT, SOMETHING THAT MARK
01:49:22LED BY THAT, SOMETHING THAT MARK CARNEY CAMPAIGNED ON.
01:49:26CARNEY CAMPAIGNED ON. >> AS SOMEONE WHO MISSES >> AS SOMEONE WHO MISSES KENTUCKY BOURBON, I'M GOOD AND
01:49:29KENTUCKY BOURBON, I'M GOOD AND MORE THAN OKAY WITH THE KENTUCKY MORE THAN OKAY WITH THE KENTUCKY BOURBON, THE CALIFORNIA WINES,
01:49:33BOURBON, THE CALIFORNIA WINES, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OFF THE
01:49:36WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE OFF THE SHELVES AT THE LCBO IN ONTARIO
01:49:40SHELVES AT THE LCBO IN ONTARIO AND UNDERSTANDING IT'S A TWAID
01:49:41AND UNDERSTANDING IT'S A TWAID TWAIDWAR, AND WAB KINEW SAID IT,
01:49:47TWAIDWAR, AND WAB KINEW SAID IT, NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA, AND WE HAVE NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE CONCESSIONS THAT THE
01:49:51TO MAKE CONCESSIONS THAT THE PREMIERS WOULD HAVE TO WEAR AND PREMIERS WOULD HAVE TO WEAR AND BRING BACK THAT STORY VOTERS AND
01:49:55BRING BACK THAT STORY VOTERS AND THEIR CONSTITUENTS. THEIR CONSTITUENTS. WE HAVE TO BE GIVING THEM WE HAVE TO BE GIVING THEM SOMETHING.
01:49:59SOMETHING. IT HAS TO BE ENOUGH OF A WIN IT HAS TO BE ENOUGH OF A WIN THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT CAN
01:50:02THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, NOT ONLY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, NOT ONLY BRINGING BACK TO THE PREMIERS
01:50:05BRINGING BACK TO THE PREMIERS BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GARRY'S POINT, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO GARRY'S POINT, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE
01:50:07BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT IN THE FACT THAT THE CONFIDENT IN THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT WILL BE THERE.
01:50:11PUBLIC SENTIMENT WILL BE THERE. I BELIEVE IT WAS NANOS THAT HAD
01:50:14I BELIEVE IT WAS NANOS THAT HAD RECENT-ISH NUMBERS ON THIS. RECENT-ISH NUMBERS ON THIS. BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT EVEN
01:50:17BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT EVEN IF BOOZE WERE TO GO BACK ON IF BOOZE WERE TO GO BACK ON CANADIAN SHELVES, THE MAJORITY
01:50:20CANADIAN SHELVES, THE MAJORITY OF CANADIANS, LIKE HIGH 60'S IN
01:50:23OF CANADIANS, LIKE HIGH 60'S IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, WOULDN'T BE TERMS OF NUMBERS, WOULDN'T BE FOR IT AND THEY WOULD STILL
01:50:27FOR IT AND THEY WOULD STILL CONTINUE TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW,
01:50:28CONTINUE TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SHOP WITH THEIR WALLETS AND
01:50:31SHOP WITH THEIR WALLETS AND ENSURE THAT CANADIAN DOLLARS GO ENSURE THAT CANADIAN DOLLARS GO TO CANADIAN PRODUCTS.
01:50:35TO CANADIAN PRODUCTS. >> I KNOW I'VE BEEN AWAY AND I'M >> I KNOW I'VE BEEN AWAY AND I'M NORMALLY BASED IN WASHINGTON.
01:50:38NORMALLY BASED IN WASHINGTON. BUT I HAD NOT HEARD NO CUSMA NO
01:50:42BUT I HAD NOT HEARD NO CUSMA NO BOOZEMA.
01:50:45BOOZEMA. [CHUCKLING] THAT IS GOING TO [CHUCKLING] THAT IS GOING TO STICK WITH ME.
01:50:48STICK WITH ME. ANDREW, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SORT ANDREW, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SORT OF THE -- BOTH OF THOSE POINTS
01:50:51OF THE -- BOTH OF THOSE POINTS THERE, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY
01:50:53THERE, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT CANADIANS MAY REACT IF THIS
01:50:57THAT CANADIANS MAY REACT IF THIS HUGE POINT OF LEVERAGE THAT HAS HUGE POINT OF LEVERAGE THAT HAS CLEARLY UPSET THE AMERICANS IS CLEARLY UPSET THE AMERICANS IS ELIMINATED?
01:51:01ELIMINATED? >> I THINK SUPRIYA IS RIGHT >> I THINK SUPRIYA IS RIGHT ABOUT THIS.
01:51:03ABOUT THIS. THAT EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENTS ARE THAT EVEN IF THE GOVERNMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IT BACK IN IN
01:51:07REQUIRED TO PUT IT BACK IN IN ORDER TO GET A DEAL, I THINK ORDER TO GET A DEAL, I THINK MOST CANADIANS ARE GOING TO
01:51:10MOST CANADIANS ARE GOING TO STILL SAY LOOK, IT'S NOT ON.
01:51:14STILL SAY LOOK, IT'S NOT ON. AS LONG AS WE SEE THESE KIND OF
01:51:17AS LONG AS WE SEE THESE KIND OF UNFAIR TRADE ACTIONS, AS LONG AS UNFAIR TRADE ACTIONS, AS LONG AS WE SEE THE BELLICOSE RHETORIC
01:51:21WE SEE THE BELLICOSE RHETORIC COMING OUT OF THE AMERICAN COMING OUT OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK THE MOOD OF CANADIANS HAS CHANGED
01:51:25MOOD OF CANADIANS HAS CHANGED ANY. ANY. I MEAN THERE'S NO BAN ON US
01:51:28I MEAN THERE'S NO BAN ON US TRAVELLING TO THE U.S. TODAY. TRAVELLING TO THE U.S. TODAY. AND YET MANY OF US SIMPLY ARE
01:51:31AND YET MANY OF US SIMPLY ARE REFUSING TO. REFUSING TO. EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT VERY WELL
01:51:34EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT VERY WELL NORMALLY IN THE SUMMER POP DOWN NORMALLY IN THE SUMMER POP DOWN FOR A FEW DAYS.
01:51:37FOR A FEW DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IT PUTS SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS -- IT PUTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A BIT
01:51:40THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A BIT OF A PRECARIOUS POSITION IN THAT OF A PRECARIOUS POSITION IN THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO NEGOTIATE A
01:51:44THEY HAVE GOT TO NEGOTIATE A DEAL THAT ACCEPTS THE FACT DEAL THAT ACCEPTS THE FACT CANADIANS ARE NOT GOING TO WANT
01:51:48CANADIANS ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GIVE IN TO A BULLY. TO GIVE IN TO A BULLY. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY'VE
01:51:51BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THEY'VE GOT TO FIND A DEAL THAT PROTECTS GOT TO FIND A DEAL THAT PROTECTS THE NATIONAL INTEREST.
01:51:54THE NATIONAL INTEREST. AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE AND I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE THE REAL CHALLENGE IS WHICH OF
01:51:57THE REAL CHALLENGE IS WHICH OF THOSE TWO NARRATIVES OR HOW DO THOSE TWO NARRATIVES OR HOW DO THEY SQUARE THE TWO NARRATIVES
01:52:00THEY SQUARE THE TWO NARRATIVES SO THEY END UP WITH SOMETHING SO THEY END UP WITH SOMETHING WORKABLE POLITICALLY, AND
01:52:04WORKABLE POLITICALLY, AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE TWO ACCEPTABLE TO THE TWO GOVERNMENTS. GOVERNMENTS. >> TO THE POINT THAT ANDREW IS
01:52:08>> TO THE POINT THAT ANDREW IS MAKING THERE, GARRY, IF YOU WERE MAKING THERE, GARRY, IF YOU WERE ADVISING PIERRE POILIEVRE, YOU
01:52:11ADVISING PIERRE POILIEVRE, YOU KNOW, IF THAT IS THE NEEDLE THAT KNOW, IF THAT IS THE NEEDLE THAT MARK CARNEY IS TRYING TO THREAD,
01:52:15MARK CARNEY IS TRYING TO THREAD, ACCEPTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND ALSO PRACTICALLABLE FOR
01:52:17ALSO PRACTICALLABLE FOR BUSINESSES AND WORKERS, HOW WOUD
01:52:23BUSINESSES AND WORKERS, HOW WOUD YOU ADVISE PIERRE POILIEVRE TO YOU ADVISE PIERRE POILIEVRE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND
01:52:26TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITUATION AND PRESS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY? PRESS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY? >> I THINK HE'S BEEN DOING THAT
01:52:29>> I THINK HE'S BEEN DOING THAT OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS, OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF DAYS, NUMBER OF WEEKS. NUMBER OF WEEKS. WE'VE SEEN HIM AND HIS
01:52:33WE'VE SEEN HIM AND HIS CANADA/U.S. CRITICS, SHUV
01:52:35CANADA/U.S. CRITICS, SHUV MAJUMDAR OUT AND MAKING RIGID MAJUMDAR OUT AND MAKING RIGID POINTS, AND STRONG POINTS ABOUT
01:52:39POINTS, AND STRONG POINTS ABOUT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT PREACHED ONE THING AND IT'S
01:52:42PREACHED ONE THING AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN CONCEDING ON A ACTUALLY BEEN CONCEDING ON A NUMBER OF OTHER FRONTS. NUMBER OF OTHER FRONTS. I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE
01:52:46I THINK IT'S FAIR FOR THE OFFICIAL OPPOSITION TO BE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION?
01:52:50WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION? IT IS FAIR FOR THEM TO ASK WHAT
01:52:51IT IS FAIR FOR THEM TO ASK WHAT ARE CANADA'S EVENTUAL RED LINES?
01:52:55ARE CANADA'S EVENTUAL RED LINES? WE'RE SIX DAYS AWAY FROM THE WE'RE SIX DAYS AWAY FROM THE DEADLINE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN
01:52:58DEADLINE AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN EXACTLY WHERE THE RED LINES ARE, EXACTLY WHERE THE RED LINES ARE, AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE
01:53:01AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE MORE EXPLICIT WITH CANADIANS ON THAT FRONT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE LEADER
01:53:05AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION, HE HAS A DUTY OF THE OPPOSITION, HE HAS A DUTY TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND SEE
01:53:09TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS AND SEE WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION, IF WHAT IS THE NEXT CONCESSION, IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEXT
01:53:12THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEXT CONCESSION GOING FORWARD. CONCESSION GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T SEEN A
01:53:15AND I THINK WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY FROM THE LOT OF TRANSPARENCY FROM THE GOVERNMENT ON THIS POINT.
01:53:18GOVERNMENT ON THIS POINT. I AGREE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT I AGREE YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT ALL OF YOUR CARDS ON THE TABLE.
01:53:21ALL OF YOUR CARDS ON THE TABLE. BUT, IT'S BEEN QUITE OPAQUE IN BUT, IT'S BEEN QUITE OPAQUE IN THE PROCESS, AND I THINK MORE
01:53:24THE PROCESS, AND I THINK MORE OPAQUE THAN THE CUSMA OPAQUE THAN THE CUSMA NEGOTIATIONS IN 2019, WHEN WE
01:53:28NEGOTIATIONS IN 2019, WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS. WE WERE GETTING MORE INFORMATION
01:53:31WE WERE GETTING MORE INFORMATION TTHAN PERHAPS WE ARE NOW.
01:53:34TTHAN PERHAPS WE ARE NOW. >> SUPRIYA, IF YOU WERE ADVISING >> SUPRIYA, IF YOU WERE ADVISING THE PRIME MINISTER NOW, AND I
01:53:37THE PRIME MINISTER NOW, AND I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT GOES
01:53:40ON BEHIND THE SCENES, IF CANADA AND THE U.S. CAN'T GET TO AN AND THE U.S. CAN'T GET TO AN AGREEMENT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO
01:53:43AGREEMENT THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO BOTH COUNTRIES AND GET DONALD BOTH COUNTRIES AND GET DONALD TRUMP TO SIGN OFF ON IT, WHAT
01:53:46TRUMP TO SIGN OFF ON IT, WHAT WOULD YOU BE ADVISING PRIME WOULD YOU BE ADVISING PRIME MINISTER CARNEY IN THIS MOMENT
01:53:50MINISTER CARNEY IN THIS MOMENT ABOUT OPTIONS FOR WHETHER THERE ABOUT OPTIONS FOR WHETHER THERE IS ADDITIONAL RETALIATION ON THE
01:53:53IS ADDITIONAL RETALIATION ON THE TABLE? TABLE? >> YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THE
01:53:57>> YEAH, LOOK, I THINK THE APPETITE RIGHT NOW FROM THE APPETITE RIGHT NOW FROM THE CANADIAN PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH
01:53:59CANADIAN PUBLIC IS VERY MUCH STILL THAT ELBOWS UP SORT OF STILL THAT ELBOWS UP SORT OF MENTALITY, RIGHT.
01:54:03MENTALITY, RIGHT. IF WE HAVE A BULLY THAT IS IF WE HAVE A BULLY THAT IS THREATENING TO CLOCK US IN THE
01:54:06THREATENING TO CLOCK US IN THE FACE, WE SHOULDN'T SIT THERE AND FACE, WE SHOULDN'T SIT THERE AND TAKE IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE IT, WE SHOULD PROBABLY PUNCH BACK.
01:54:10PUNCH BACK. BUT THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL BUT THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTAL UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS THAT THE
01:54:13UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTHS THAT THE CARNEY HAS TO TEND WITH HERE. CARNEY HAS TO TEND WITH HERE. THE FIRST IS THEY'VE SORT OF
01:54:16THE FIRST IS THEY'VE SORT OF PRIMED THE CANADIAN PUBLIC FOR PRIMED THE CANADIAN PUBLIC FOR AND THAT IS NO DEAL IS BETTER
01:54:19AND THAT IS NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A TERRIBLE DEAL, RIGHT, AND THAN A TERRIBLE DEAL, RIGHT, AND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO
01:54:22THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FUNDAMENTALLY SIGN ON TO FUNDAMENTALLY SIGN ON TO SOMETHING THAT ISN'T WITHIN THE
01:54:25SOMETHING THAT ISN'T WITHIN THE CANADIAN ECONOMIC INTERESTS. CANADIAN ECONOMIC INTERESTS. AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
01:54:27AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. THE SECOND UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH THE SECOND UNCOMFORTABLE TRUTH HERE IS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS
01:54:30HERE IS THIS ADMINISTRATION IS NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR OPERATING NOT EXACTLY KNOWN FOR OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH. IN GOOD FAITH. SO EVEN IF WE DO GET A DEAL --
01:54:34SO EVEN IF WE DO GET A DEAL -- AND I REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO AND I REALIZE IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET ONE FOR ECONOMIC CERTAINTY
01:54:37GET ONE FOR ECONOMIC CERTAINTY AND SECURING CANADIAN JOBS AND AND SECURING CANADIAN JOBS AND THE LIKE.
01:54:40THE LIKE. BUT THE REALITY IS ONE POST TO BUT THE REALITY IS ONE POST TO TRUTH SOCIAL COULD UNRAVEL THE
01:54:43TRUTH SOCIAL COULD UNRAVEL THE WHOLE THING. WHOLE THING. THERE'S A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY
01:54:46THERE'S A LEVEL OF UNCERTAINTY THAT IS BAKED IN HERE THAT WE'RE
01:54:49NOT REALLY ADDRESSING PUBLICLY WHICH TO GARRY'S POINT I THINK WHICH TO GARRY'S POINT I THINK IS FINE, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED
01:54:52IS FINE, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THE CARDS OUT ON THE ALL OF THE CARDS OUT ON THE TABLE. TABLE. IDEALLY THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT
01:54:56IDEALLY THE GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT PRIVATELY, AND PLANNING FOR IT PRIVATELY, AND PLANNING FOR IT ACCORDINGLY. ACCORDINGLY. AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE LIKELY
01:55:00AT SOME POINT, THEY'RE LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE CANADIAN PUBLIC IN ON SOME OF CANADIAN PUBLIC IN ON SOME OF THAT THINKING.
01:55:04THAT THINKING. >> Katie: ANDREW -- DO YOU >> Katie: ANDREW -- DO YOU WANT TO JUMP IN THERE?
01:55:07WANT TO JUMP IN THERE? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK THIS IS THE KEY POINT THAT
01:55:10THINK THIS IS THE KEY POINT THAT SUPRIYA RAISES WHICH IS HOW DO SUPRIYA RAISES WHICH IS HOW DO THEY EXPLAIN THIS HAVING NOW
01:55:13THEY EXPLAIN THIS HAVING NOW SAID THAT NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN SAID THAT NO DEAL IS BETTER THAN A BAD DEAL.
01:55:16A BAD DEAL. IF THEY SIGN A DEAL, THEY ARE IF THEY SIGN A DEAL, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME FORWARD
01:55:19GOING TO HAVE TO COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS A GOOD AND EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS A GOOD DEAL.
01:55:23DEAL. IN TERMS BETTER THAN WELL, WE
01:55:24IN TERMS BETTER THAN WELL, WE WOULD HAVE BEEN BULLYED AND WOULD HAVE BEEN BULLYED AND FACED MORE TARIFFS.
01:55:28FACED MORE TARIFFS. TO DATE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN GREAT TO DATE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN GREAT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO
01:55:32IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP EXPLAIN WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP AND THE TRADEOFFS HAVE BEEN WITH AND THE TRADEOFFS HAVE BEEN WITH THE U.S.
01:55:35THE U.S. WE SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WE SEE THE PROBLEMS WITH THE GORDIE HOWE BRIDGE DISCUSSION
01:55:38GORDIE HOWE BRIDGE DISCUSSION ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WAS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WAS BALANCED OUT. BALANCED OUT. WHAT WAS THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT.
01:55:42WHAT WAS THE ULTIMATE BENEFIT. WHAT WAS THE REASON, WHAT WAS WHAT WAS THE REASON, WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE, WHAT WERE THE THE RATIONALE, WHAT WERE THE DETAILS.
01:55:46DETAILS. THAT WAS A REALLY MINOR DISPUTE THAT WAS A REALLY MINOR DISPUTE COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING
01:55:49COMPARED TO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO
01:55:50TO HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO EXPLAIN IF THEY SIGN A DEAL IN
01:55:53EXPLAIN IF THEY SIGN A DEAL IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT DOESN'T THE NEXT FEW DAYS THAT DOESN'T ERASE THE SECTION 232 TARIFFS,
01:55:56ERASE THE SECTION 232 TARIFFS, IF IT SIMPLY HOLDS IN ABEYANCE
01:55:59IF IT SIMPLY HOLDS IN ABEYANCE THE THREAT THAT TRUMP HAS ON THE THE THREAT THAT TRUMP HAS ON THE NEW TARIFFS THAT HE IS LOOKING
01:56:03NEW TARIFFS THAT HE IS LOOKING ON AUGUST 19th. ON AUGUST 19th. AND DOESN'T LEAD US ONE STEP
01:56:07AND DOESN'T LEAD US ONE STEP CLOSER TO RENEWAL OF CUSMA. CLOSER TO RENEWAL OF CUSMA. AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY
01:56:10AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH SPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO TOUGH SPOT FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE IN BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY
01:56:13BE IN BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY LEFT WITH AN ARGUMENT THAT JUST LEFT WITH AN ARGUMENT THAT JUST SAYS WELL IT WOULD BE WORSE IF
01:56:16SAYS WELL IT WOULD BE WORSE IF WE DIDN'T SIGN THIS AND I DON'T WE DIDN'T SIGN THIS AND I DON'T THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE AT THIS
01:56:20THINK THAT CANADIANS ARE AT THIS POINT PREPARED TO DO THAT. POINT PREPARED TO DO THAT. ESPECIALLY LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT
01:56:23ESPECIALLY LOOKING AHEAD TO WHAT POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPY WITH THE POTENTIALLY MAY HAPPY WITH THE MID-TERMS.
01:56:26MID-TERMS. TRUMP IS A IN A VERY WEAK TRUMP IS A IN A VERY WEAK POSITION GOING INTO THOSE.
01:56:29POSITION GOING INTO THOSE. DOES THAT CHANGE THE THINKING IN DOES THAT CHANGE THE THINKING IN WASHINGTON? WASHINGTON? I DON'T KNOW.
01:56:32I DON'T KNOW. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CARNEY GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE
01:56:36Power and politics, the scale of the crisis and
01:56:37chaos got a day like this. We gotta get to the power panel
01:56:40early. Experts and party insiders break it all down.
01:56:43This is a shift in the Liberal position. And then the Tories
01:56:46are just left to say, well, you're not moving fast and
01:56:48making sense of our world. Conditions have gotten pretty
01:56:51bad and they look like they're gonna get worse. Can't now walk
01:56:54that back because governing is a lot harder than campaigning.
01:56:57He's a drag on his own party, extremely difficult choices.
01:57:00The Power Panel on Power and politics with David Cochrane today on CBC News.
02:00:30[♪♪] >> TONIGHT, DAYS BEFORE A MAJOR
02:00:32TRADE DEADLINE CANADA'S
02:00:35MINISTER MEETS WITH HIS COUNTERPART IN WASHINGTON.
02:00:37>> WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS TODAY, WE WERE CORDIAL, THEY
02:00:41WERE DETAILED. THE PRESIDENT AND THE PRIME
02:00:43MINISTER, OBVIOUSLY THEY'LL BE
02:00:48GIVEN OPTIONS.
02:00:51>> Crystal: AS OFFICIALS WORK
02:00:54TO GET A DEAL DONE PREMIERS DAOW RED LINES.
02:00:58>> WE NEED -- DRAW RED LINES.
02:01:02>> PLUS, NEW DETAILS ABOUT THE
02:01:04DANGERS OF