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00:57:56The funny, not so funny thing about the
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00:58:01is the thing that can consume your thoughts
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00:58:08My favorite word? Tariff
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01:00:41WE ARE SEEING SIGN OF POTENTIAL MOVEMENT TO HEAD-OFF THOSE
01:00:44MOVEMENT TO HEAD-OFF THOSE PUNISHING NEW U.S. TARIFFS. PUNISHING NEW U.S. TARIFFS. MORE TALKS WE ARE TOLD EXPECTED
01:00:48MORE TALKS WE ARE TOLD EXPECTED TODAY IN WASHINGTON AND TODAY IN WASHINGTON AND POTENTIALLY ANOTHER
01:00:52POTENTIALLY ANOTHER CONVERSATION BETWEEN MARK CONVERSATION BETWEEN MARK CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP.
01:00:55CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP. WE KNOW THE LEADERS SPOKE WE KNOW THE LEADERS SPOKE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON FOLLOWING
01:00:57YESTERDAY AFTERNOON FOLLOWING NEGOTIATIONS.
01:01:01NEGOTIATIONS. >> Rt. Hon. Mark Carney: >> Rt. Hon. Mark Carney: [Speaking French]
01:01:05>> Through Interpreter: LISTEN, WE ARE INVOLVED IN VERY WE ARE INVOLVED IN VERY DELICATE AND INTENSE
01:01:07DELICATE AND INTENSE NEGOTIATIONS. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC.
01:01:11NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC. >> David: AND SO THAT IS NOT >> David: AND SO THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, BUT WE ARE GETTING A
01:01:14HAPPENING, BUT WE ARE GETTING A SENSE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE SENSE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING. ONGOING. THEY INTENSIFIED AFTER THE
01:01:18THEY INTENSIFIED AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THE NEW WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THE NEW TARIFF THREAT LAST MONTH.
01:01:21TARIFF THREAT LAST MONTH. LEADER LEVEL TALKS COULD BE KEY
01:01:23LEADER LEVEL TALKS COULD BE KEY TO ANY AGREEMENT AND AS THE
01:01:26TO ANY AGREEMENT AND AS THE U.S. PRESIDENT'S TOP TRADE U.S. PRESIDENT'S TOP TRADE NEGOTIATOR
01:01:31WHICH CANADIAN BUSINESSES WOULD BE HIT HARDEST IF THE TARIFFS BE HIT HARDEST IF THE TARIFFS GO INTO PLACE.
01:01:34GO INTO PLACE. WE START WITH RAFFY. WE START WITH RAFFY. NEW DEVELOPMENTS FROM YOU THIS
01:01:38NEW DEVELOPMENTS FROM YOU THIS MORNING. MORNING. MORE TALKS ON THE WAY.
01:01:40MORE TALKS ON THE WAY. >> Reporter: YEAH, DAVID, LOOK,
01:01:43>> Reporter: YEAH, DAVID, LOOK, OFFICIALLY WE'RE NOT HEARING
01:01:46OFFICIALLY WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING YET FROM DOMINIC ANYTHING YET FROM DOMINIC LEBLANC'S OFFICE, THOUGH HE IS
01:01:51LEBLANC'S OFFICE, THOUGH HE IS STILL IN WASHINGTON. STILL IN WASHINGTON. OUR COLLEAGUES FROM
01:01:54OUR COLLEAGUES FROM RADIO-CANADA HAVE HEARD FROM RADIO-CANADA HAVE HEARD FROM SOURCES THAT THERE ARE FURTHER
01:01:57SOURCES THAT THERE ARE FURTHER MEETING THAT SHOULD BE MEETING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING BETWEEN THE CANADIAN
01:02:00HAPPENING BETWEEN THE CANADIAN AND U.S. NEGOTIATORS. AND U.S. NEGOTIATORS. AFTER YESTERDAY WE WERE TOLD
01:02:03AFTER YESTERDAY WE WERE TOLD THAT MAYBE THE MEETING WAS THE THAT MAYBE THE MEETING WAS THE LAST ONE.
01:02:05LAST ONE. LOOKS LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED LOOKS LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED NOW. NOW. THERE COULD BE ANOTHER
01:02:09THERE COULD BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION BETWEEN PRIME CONVERSATION BETWEEN PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AND U.S.
01:02:12MINISTER MARK CARNEY AND U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. THAT WILL BE THE SECOND IN TWO THAT WILL BE THE SECOND IN TWO DAYS.
01:02:16DAYS. MAYBE NO SURPRISE AS THAT MAYBE NO SURPRISE AS THAT DEADLINE IS LOOMING CLOSER, DEADLINE IS LOOMING CLOSER, RIGHT?
01:02:19RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% TARIFFS.
01:02:22TARIFFS. THE HIGHEST THAT HAVE BEEN -- THE HIGHEST THAT HAVE BEEN -- THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE U.S.
01:02:26IMPLEMENTED BY THE U.S. PRESIDENT SO FAR SINCE PRESIDENT SO FAR SINCE RETURNING TO POWER IN THE WHITE
01:02:29RETURNING TO POWER IN THE WHITE HOUSE ON A RANGE OF CANADIAN HOUSE ON A RANGE OF CANADIAN GOODS.
01:02:31GOODS. ACTUALLY COVERED BY CUSMA.
01:02:33ACTUALLY COVERED BY CUSMA. THE THREE-WAY FREE TRADE DEAL
01:02:36THE THREE-WAY FREE TRADE DEAL BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. AND BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. AND MEXICO.
01:02:39MEXICO. THE CURRENT ROUND OF TALKS HAS THE CURRENT ROUND OF TALKS HAS BEEN THE LONGEST AND MOST
01:02:42BEEN THE LONGEST AND MOST INVOLVED WE'VE SEEN IN A WHILE.
01:02:44INVOLVED WE'VE SEEN IN A WHILE. LEBLANC HIMSELF HAS NOT LEFT
01:02:47LEBLANC HIMSELF HAS NOT LEFT WASHINGTON IN MORE THAN A WEEK WASHINGTON IN MORE THAN A WEEK AND WE KNOW THAT MEETING
01:02:51AND WE KNOW THAT MEETING YESTERDAY BETWEEN HIM AND U.S. YESTERDAY BETWEEN HIM AND U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE JAMIESON
01:02:55TRADE REPRESENTATIVE JAMIESON GREER WAS AN HOUR AND 45 GREER WAS AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES LONG.
01:02:58MINUTES LONG. THE LONGEST TALK THEY'VE HAD SO THE LONGEST TALK THEY'VE HAD SO FAR.
01:03:02FAR. NOW, PRESUMABLY ANY TALKS, ANY NOW, PRESUMABLY ANY TALKS, ANY FURTHER TALKS WOULD HAVE TO
01:03:05FURTHER TALKS WOULD HAVE TO IRON OUT THE MAJOR STICKING IRON OUT THE MAJOR STICKING POINTS.
01:03:09POINTS. THINK ABOUT THE BAN ON AMERICAN THINK ABOUT THE BAN ON AMERICAN ALCOHOL PLACED BY MOST ALCOHOL PLACED BY MOST PROVINCES IN CANADA.
01:03:13PROVINCES IN CANADA. THE U.S. HAS BEEN QUITE VOCAL THE U.S. HAS BEEN QUITE VOCAL ON HOW UNHAPPY THEY ARE ABOUT
01:03:17ON HOW UNHAPPY THEY ARE ABOUT THAT. THAT. IN FACT, THEY CITED THAT WHEN
01:03:19IN FACT, THEY CITED THAT WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THESE NEW THEY ANNOUNCED THESE NEW TARIFFS A MONTH AGO.
01:03:22TARIFFS A MONTH AGO. THE CANADIANS MEANWHILE ARE THE CANADIANS MEANWHILE ARE EXPECTING A SUBSTANTIAL
01:03:26EXPECTING A SUBSTANTIAL LOWERING OF THE EXISTING SECTOR
01:03:30LOWERING OF THE EXISTING SECTOR TARIFFS ON STEEL, ALUMINUM, TARIFFS ON STEEL, ALUMINUM, AUTO, SOFTWOOD LUMBER, I MEAN,
01:03:34AUTO, SOFTWOOD LUMBER, I MEAN, YOU NAME IT AT THIS POINT. YOU NAME IT AT THIS POINT. THE CANADIANS HAVE PUBLICLY
01:03:37THE CANADIANS HAVE PUBLICLY SAID WE WANT THOSE TARIFFS
01:03:41SAID WE WANT THOSE TARIFFS LOWERED TO 10 TO 12%. LOWERED TO 10 TO 12%. NO SIGN OF THE AMERICANS GOING
01:03:45NO SIGN OF THE AMERICANS GOING THAT FAR. THAT FAR. >> HEARING FROM THE PRIME >> HEARING FROM THE PRIME MINISTER YESTERDAY SAYING HE
01:03:49MINISTER YESTERDAY SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE IN DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC, THAT THEY'RE AT A
01:03:53PUBLIC, THAT THEY'RE AT A DELICATE PHASE, AND YET THE DELICATE PHASE, AND YET THE FACT THAT MARK CARNEY AND
01:03:56FACT THAT MARK CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP ARE SPEAKING, THE DONALD TRUMP ARE SPEAKING, THE FACT THAT IT GETS TO THAT
01:03:59FACT THAT IT GETS TO THAT LEVEL, IS THERE A SIGNAL THAT LEVEL, IS THERE A SIGNAL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT?
01:04:02WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT? >> Reporter: I MEAN, PRESUMABLY
01:04:06>> Reporter: I MEAN, PRESUMABLY YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT AS YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT AS EVERYONE WANTS SOME KIND OF
01:04:10EVERYONE WANTS SOME KIND OF DEAL HERE. DEAL HERE. I NOTE THAT HOWARD LUTNICK, THE
01:04:14I NOTE THAT HOWARD LUTNICK, THE SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE WAS ALSO SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE TALKS
01:04:17INVOLVED IN THE TALKS YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY. SOMETHING WE HADN'T SEEN IN A
01:04:21SOMETHING WE HADN'T SEEN IN A WHILE. WHILE. SO YOU COULD SEE MAYBE THERE'S SO YOU COULD SEE MAYBE THERE'S SOME KIND OF WILLINGNESS FOR
01:04:25SOME KIND OF WILLINGNESS FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN HERE, FOR A
01:04:28SOMETHING TO HAPPEN HERE, FOR A DEAL TO COME THROUGH BECAUSE -- DEAL TO COME THROUGH BECAUSE -- I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN,
01:04:31I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHO KNOWS WHERE THE NEXT
01:04:34WHO KNOWS WHERE THE NEXT ESCALATION WILL TAKE US, RIGHT? ESCALATION WILL TAKE US, RIGHT? THESE NEW TARIFFS COULD KICK IN
01:04:37THESE NEW TARIFFS COULD KICK IN RIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT OR MAYBE RIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT OR MAYBE NOT.
01:04:40NOT. WE'VE ALSO SEEN DONALD TRUMP WE'VE ALSO SEEN DONALD TRUMP SOMETIMES THREATEN TARIFFS HE
01:04:43SOMETIMES THREATEN TARIFFS HE DOES NOT GO THROUGH WITH. DOES NOT GO THROUGH WITH. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE
01:04:47A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS MUSINGS HE'S
01:04:52TALKING ABOUT HIS MUSINGS HE'S UNHAPPY WITH THE CANADIAN
01:04:53UNHAPPY WITH THE CANADIAN WILDFIRE SMOKE BLOWING INTO THE
01:04:57WILDFIRE SMOKE BLOWING INTO THE U.S. AND MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE U.S. AND MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE TARIFFS OF THAT.
01:05:01TARIFFS OF THAT. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. MARK CARNEY WAS IN A MEETING
01:05:05MARK CARNEY WAS IN A MEETING LAST MONTH WITH HIS PROVINCIAL LAST MONTH WITH HIS PROVINCIAL AND TERRITORIAL COUNTERPARTS
01:05:09AND TERRITORIAL COUNTERPARTS AND ASKED THEM TO DRAW UP PLANS AND ASKED THEM TO DRAW UP PLANS FOR RETALIATION.
01:05:12FOR RETALIATION. WHEN JOURNALISTS ASKED CARNEY
01:05:14WHEN JOURNALISTS ASKED CARNEY ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY HE HAS
01:05:16ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY HE HAS PLANS FOR ANY SITUATION THAT
01:05:18PLANS FOR ANY SITUATION THAT MAY ARISE.
01:05:21MAY ARISE. MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WILL
01:05:24MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WILL SINK IN THIS TRADE WAR CANNOT SINK IN THIS TRADE WAR CANNOT KEEP GOING THE WAY IT HAS
01:05:28KEEP GOING THE WAY IT HAS BECAUSE IT'S HURTING EVERYONE. BECAUSE IT'S HURTING EVERYONE. NOT SURE IF WE'RE AT THAT P
01:05:34A symbol of Canada and a target of looming tariffs,
01:05:38hockey sticks shipped to the US are set to be slapped with a
01:05:42new 50% import fee, along with a wide range of
01:05:45other Canadian goods from liquor to toilet paper. We have
01:05:49a free trade agreement in place that eliminates this type of
01:05:53erratic behavior, so it's extremely frustrating.
01:05:56No matter the existing trade deal on Wednesday,
01:06:00the tariffs are slated to hit much of the gear Joey Walsh
01:06:04sells. He plans to absorb those
01:06:06added costs, but worries about potential
01:06:08confusion for his online customers. The worst fear is
01:06:12that that Americans are are misinformed and that they don't
01:06:15understand that I'm going to handle it,
01:06:18that they're not going to be hit with a tariff. Nearly $28
01:06:22billion worth of Canadian exports could be affected.
01:06:25Among the sectors hardest hit, electronics and electrical
01:06:28equipment, plastics and furniture,
01:06:31bedding and lighting on Cindy Baldassi's online jewelry store.
01:06:34She's already warning sales to the US are temporarily
01:06:38suspended while I calculate the new tariffs. It will be a
01:06:42substantial amount, possibly a loss of 50% or more
01:06:45of my business. And consider the sting for beekeepers in
01:06:49Alberta, where much of their honey is
01:06:51sent wholesale stateside. The fear is the new US levy will
01:06:55lead to a glut on this side of the border. It will strand an
01:06:59enormous amount of honey on the prairies and it could be really,
01:07:03really damaging to our our price this year. The Trump
01:07:07administration already adds a toll on Canadian autos.
01:07:10Softwood
01:07:12number and more. This round of tariffs is set to hit smaller
01:07:15exporters, leading to pleas for a last
01:07:18minute deal. Ideally, that deal will lower the
01:07:22current tariffs to a more manageable level. For now,
01:07:26there's more uncertainty swirling over those barrels
01:07:30full of honey and so much else. Thomas Daggett, CBC News,
01:07:34Toronto.
01:07:36For more on what these tariffs and potential counter tariffs
01:07:39might mean, senior business reporter Peter
01:07:41Armstrong joins us. Peter, do we have any idea of how hard
01:07:43they're going to hit Canadians? You know,
01:07:45the saying's true. Tariffs hurt everyone. We've seen that
01:07:48repeatedly for 18 months now. This round, if it goes ahead,
01:07:51will be no different. the US tariffs will drive up costs for
01:07:54American businesses and American households. Conversely,
01:07:57if Canada makes good on its threat of counter terrorists,
01:07:59those will hurt Canadian businesses,
01:08:01Canadian households. But the bigger thing is all of the
01:08:04uncertainty that just comes with the trade war. And business hates uncertainties.
01:08:08So how much has that or will that affect the Canadian
01:08:11economy significantly? The economy was weak before the
01:08:13trade war. It was made weaker still by the tariffs and all
01:08:16that uncertainty. And yeah, the Canadian economy has been
01:08:19more resilient than a lot of us had expected. But better than
01:08:22expected is not better. And it's a far cry from good. We've
01:08:25had very little economic growth in a year. We've had only
01:08:28meager job growth over that time. And where the tariffs
01:08:31have hit, Susan, they've hit very hard. Look at
01:08:33the automotive hub of Windsor, ON. After auto tariffs were
01:08:36introduced there, it had the highest unemployment rate in the country.
01:08:40So if these tariffs go ahead on Wednesday and it might be done
01:08:43right to the wire, right, what impact on the larger
01:08:46economy? Well, so we know that Wednesdays to
01:08:49this tranche of tariffs on Wednesdays will only apply to
01:08:52like 5% of Canada's exports to the US. But just like the first
01:08:55round of tariffs where they hit, they will hurt. And again,
01:08:58that bigger concern is that they'll deepen the trade war.
01:09:02We'll see more tariffs, more counter tariffs and all of
01:09:15ripping off Newfoundland and Labrador,
01:09:17Premier Tony Wakim says this deal is a fix. We have achieved
01:09:21a rare win, win, win. Quebec will pay a lot more
01:09:24for the power from the Churchill Falls Hydroelectric
01:09:27generating station and Labrador Hydro. Quebec will build a new
01:09:30dam at Gull Island, producing thousands of
01:09:33megawatts of new power. A wind project could produce thousands
01:09:36of megawatts more. Then there's a federally funded power line
01:09:40to bring this electricity to new mining projects
01:09:43altogether. Ottawa says it will triple the capacity of
01:09:46Churchill Falls, enough power to light, heat,
01:09:48cool the homes in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver combined.
01:09:52Churchill Falls has been contentious since the two
01:09:54provinces signed their first deal in 1969,
01:09:57where Newfoundland and Labrador sold its power to Quebec on the
01:10:00cheap a year and a half ago. 2 Now former premiers ripped up
01:10:04that deal for a new one. And we are endeavoring.
01:10:08Wacom's Progressive Conservatives won last fall's
01:10:11election, and he went back to negotiate
01:10:14more power for industrial development,
01:10:16the single largest clean energy investment in North American
01:10:20history. Now history risks repeating itself within days.
01:10:24Quebec is headed into its own election campaign,
01:10:27and the governing Coalition Avenir Quebec is in trouble. I
01:10:30see the the particular Bequia is interested in turning up
01:10:34this agreement. Where will they find the 10,
01:10:37000 megawatts we are bringing to Quebec
01:10:39that agreement?
01:10:41Nothing stops a new premier in Quebec from ripping up this
01:10:45deal. But Quebec's plan to decarbonize requires finding
01:10:48new sources of renewable energy. It's the low hanging fruit. And
01:10:51I think when they're going to see the numbers,
01:10:53they're going to realize that, well,
01:10:55I guess we're going to suck it up, excuse my language, and,
01:10:59and go with with this deal.
01:11:01In the last election, Wacom promised a referendum on
01:11:04any new deal. But now he says there just isn't enough time.
01:11:07Instead, provincial politicians will get
01:11:09a chance to weigh in during a special sitting of the
01:11:12legislature. Peter. There's also the question, though,
01:11:15of Indigenous support.
01:11:17Yeah, these projects sit on new lands,
01:11:20and they've already signed off on a new hydro deal,
01:11:23but not this new wind farm. Now, the federal government is
01:11:27offering to make them part owners of this new project. But
01:11:31the newly elected grand chief says she needs to see more
01:11:34details. OK, thanks, Peter. Peter Cowan in St.
01:11:37John's tonight.
01:11:41Everyone at the announcement described the deal as the win
01:11:44win, but what is actually in it for
01:11:46Quebec? The old agreement was widely
01:11:48seen as a sweetheart deal for the province,
01:11:51giving it ultra low prices. But Hydro Quebec says this new deal
01:11:55is set to provide up to 10, 000 megawatts of electricity to
01:11:58the province. That extra capacity will allow prices to
01:12:02be kept below market rates. One of the many attractive features
01:12:05of this contract is the low cost of energy for the whole
01:12:09project. Quebec's premiers
01:12:11that the timing is important because it takes about 15 years
01:12:15to build and activate a hydroelectric energy plant. The
01:12:19old deal was set to expire in 2041. It's an agreement that
01:12:23will define the energy future of Quebec. We will probably
01:12:27talk about this and, you know, in 2050,
01:12:29fifty years. Hydro Quebec is set to invest $45 billion into
01:12:33the project and receive about 6. 5 billions from the federal
01:12:37government. The Crown corporation's executive vice
01:12:41president David Graham said for Quebeckers,
01:12:44that means their electricity bills would go up starting in
01:12:472029, between 2 and 5% each year,
01:12:49but any increase would need to be approved by the Quebec
01:12:53Energy Board. If Hydro Quebec does want to increase energy
01:12:57rates at that kind of rate, then they should also be
01:13:00helping people to fix the insulation in their homes,
01:13:03fix a lot of the problems that people have keeping their
01:13:07energy bills down. Presently, this is not a done deal yet.
01:13:10The Churchill River sits within the land
01:13:13claim of the Annunciation. There are major stakeholder in
01:13:16the project, but they say they're yet to be
01:13:19properly consulted and it's a possibility that another
01:13:22government decide to tear up that agreement. I see the the
01:13:26particular requires interested in taking up this agreement
01:13:29they don't want to implement.
01:13:32OK, So what a what do they offer to
01:13:35Quebeckers? PQ Leader Polson Pier Plamondon
01:13:38responded on social media, saying that's simply false. How
01:13:41could he tear up a deal he hasn't seen?
01:13:44He went on to say that if it's positive for Quebec, his party,
01:13:48if elected in October, would keep it.
01:16:19Near the Israeli Gaza border, preparations underway for an
01:16:23international force to oversee key elements of U.S. President
01:16:27Donald Trump's peace plan,
01:16:32the latest version of which was shot down last week by Israel's
01:16:36Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying Israel will
01:16:40not withdraw from Gaza until Hamas fully disarms,
01:16:43something Hamas says can only happen if Israeli soldiers pull
01:16:47out. If they don't fall through now and their commitment,
01:16:51everyone will see that they're not genuine about peace.
01:16:55Trump's envoy and son-in-law Jared Kushner was in Israel on
01:16:59Monday after meeting Hamas leaders in Cairo. Keep in mind
01:17:03that President Trump does need a win,
01:17:06IE concrete progress on the plan before the midterms and
01:17:11given that all the other wars are not going as per the plan.
01:17:16But Netanyahu also wants to win, voting here in election
01:17:21primaries for his Likud party. He faces national elections in
01:17:27October and his base won't want any let up on Hamas.
01:17:32This veteran conflict negotiator with experience in
01:17:36Northern Ireland insists it's still possible to salvage an
01:17:40Israeli Hamas deal even from a position of no trust. We had
01:17:45the signing of the Good Friday Agreement when in principle
01:17:49they IRA agreed to disarm and to move from what they would
01:17:53say, the armed resistance into
01:17:56political engagement. But it took seven years or more to
01:18:00reach a verifiable disarmament.
01:18:03For Gazans, another round of diplomacy is
01:18:07one more day of disappointment. Netanyahu's office says Israel
01:18:12and Trump's Board of Peace agree that there will be no
01:18:17reconstruction in Gaza until after Hamas has been fully
01:18:21disarmed. Margaret Evans, CBC News, London.
01:18:29It's been 30 years since Tupac Shakur was gunned down. Who's
01:18:33responsible? One of hip hop's biggest
01:18:36mysteries Monday, former gang leader Dwayne Keffe
01:18:39D Davis faced a judge and jury in a Las Vegas courtroom,
01:18:43the only person ever charged in connection to the killing.
01:18:46Prosecutors say Davis didn't fire the shots but orchestrated
01:18:50it, calling Shakur's murder
01:18:52retribution for the beating of Davis's nephew. Ask yourself if
01:18:56what they're saying
01:18:58it's really true,
01:19:01fact or fiction. Shakur was shot 4 times after leaving the
01:19:05Mike Tyson boxing match. Police say a white Cadillac pulled up
01:19:09alongside the BMW carrying Shakur and opened fire. The
01:19:12first witness, a former Las Vegas police
01:19:15officer who was in the ambulance with Shakur as he was
01:19:19rushed to hospital.
01:19:22Convince him to tell me the name of whoever is assailants
01:19:26were and did he ever respond Yes, he responded no, no, we'll,
01:19:30we'll take care of it. Shakur died six days later.
01:19:34Prosecutors are relying heavily on Davis's own words,
01:19:37police and TV interviews and a 2019 tell All memoir. I would
01:19:41like you guys to buy it and get the real truth. His defence now
01:19:46says those statements were made-up to sell books and make
01:19:50money. Shakur's cousin doesn't
01:19:52quiet. Of course he's gonna evade accountability by saying
01:19:56or claiming that he embellished what he proudly boasted about
01:20:01for the last 15 years.
01:20:32Karen Pauls, CBC News, Winnipeg.
01:21:03dispatch recording. A first responder references and
01:21:07overdose, but authorities say the
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01:24:49Tear down work has begun at Tumblr Ridge Secondary School
01:24:51months after a mass shooting killed 6 people,
01:24:54including five children. We spoke to our Matt Pre post
01:24:57earlier today who talked about the work that has now begun.
01:25:02Yeah, Hi Michelle. As you can see
01:25:04behind me is the South wing of the former Tumblr Ridge
01:25:07Secondary School scraped down to its metal beams today. Now
01:25:11this is where the schools auto shop class was for the trades
01:25:15area was located. There was even a fish farm that students
01:25:19enjoyed in this part of the school.
01:25:23The school has been around for as long as the town itself.
01:25:26It's held a lot of memories and of course there's been a lot of
01:25:30emotions today. As Rat residents gathered on the
01:25:32hillside next to me watching it come down after the events of
01:25:36February 10th, I spoke to one resident who
01:25:38came out to watch today's demolition get underway. Here's
01:25:42what Chris Norbury had to say. There's a lot of good lot of
01:25:45good memories here in Tumblr Ridge that have happened at
01:25:48that school. And I think it's very natural that a lot of
01:25:52those past feelings are coming back.
01:25:54But you know, this is going to be the start
01:25:56of the next chapter of Tumblr Ridge and it's and its students,
01:25:59you know, the, you know, the the student body and the
01:26:02teachers had their had their opportunity to say what they
01:26:04wanted and this is what they want. And you know,
01:26:07I stand behind them. And
01:26:13as you just heard from Chris Norbury,
01:26:15students and teachers had a big say in determining the future
01:26:18of this school. The community was also asked for their input
01:26:21and majority supporting tearing down the school
01:26:25is happening for students as they wait for their new school
01:26:28to be built.
01:26:30We also dropped by the Tumblr Ridge Elementary School site
01:26:34just a few blocks away. That's where a temporary modular
01:26:37campus for students has been set up and is being expanded.
01:26:40Crews were building a gathering space today that's going to be
01:26:44open for the new year, the new school year. There's
01:26:47about 8 or 9 classroom pods about, you know,
01:26:502 counseling areas, some offices. There's a mobile
01:26:53trades training classroom that's also been set up. The
01:26:56site behind me, the former secondary school
01:26:59here, is going to be returned
01:27:01to grasp that work will be complete by the fall. Of course,
01:27:04the school district is working on designs and concepts that
01:27:07plans to bring to consultations with the community later this
01:27:10year. And of course, discussions are also going to
01:27:13get underway. But what a future memorial site here in the
01:27:15community might look like. I spoke with Mayor Darrell
01:27:18Krakowska. Here's what he had to say. When we talk about the
01:27:21memorial permit memorial, that'll be dictated by the
01:27:24families that have lost loved ones and as they as they go
01:27:27through their grieving stages and stuff and are prepared to
01:27:30have that conversation into the district. And we'll have a conversation. And with
01:27:34that permanent mural looks like and what location it would like
01:27:36to see that, you know, whether that is where the
01:27:38secondary school was or if it's another place in the community
01:27:41they feel more comfortable with.
01:27:44Michelle, like I said, a lot of emotions here in the
01:27:47community today watching this Tumblr Ridge Secondary School
01:27:51come down and a lot of work still to do to bring some sense
01:27:54of closure and normalcy for students and families.
01:27:59Since KL Hockey started its summer camp last month,
01:28:01CBC News has learned one of its lead instructors continued to
01:28:04work with kids until last week, despite having pleaded guilty
01:28:07in April to two counts of assaulting children known to
01:28:10him. That instructor is Bradley Gibbs,
01:28:12a Durham Regional Police officer. CBC News spoke with
01:28:15one of the victims, who is now an adult.
01:28:18To one of those camps. I would
01:28:20be really concerned we've altered their voice and hidden
01:28:23their identity because it's protected by a court ordered
01:28:26publication ban. They say Gibbs is a cofounder of the camp and
01:28:30believes the camp's owners knew about his guilty pleas. They
01:28:33would never hire someone with a criminal record like that, so
01:28:38I think I want people to agree with me that I'm being fired
01:28:41from this job would be fair. After CBC News reached out to
01:28:44Kyle Hockey and Gibbs, the camp sent an e-mail to
01:28:47parents last week saying Gibbs would no longer be working at
01:28:50the camp. Given the recent attention surrounding this
01:28:53matter, Brad believes that stepping
01:28:55back is in the best interest of our players,
01:28:57families in camp community, wrote camp director Amanda
01:29:00Tales. The e-mail to parents included a letter from Gibbs
01:29:04saying he took full responsibility for a personal
01:29:06legal matter, saying he accepted
01:29:08accountability for my lapse in judgment. Neither Gibbs nor the
01:29:11camp elaborated what the legal matter was in their messages to
01:29:15parents. In a statement to CBC News,
01:29:17Kale Hockey said it would not be making any further comments
01:29:20while the case is still before the courts. Gibbs did not
01:29:23respond to our request for an interview. In Ontario,
01:29:26there is no legislation requiring summer camps to
01:29:29perform security checks of their staff. The Ontario Camps
01:29:32Association says it requires its 400 members to perform
01:29:35criminal background checks, but its membership is voluntary,
01:29:39and the association says it does not mandate what action
01:29:42camp leaders should take after those checks are completed. And
01:29:45Kale Hockey doesn't have to follow those same standards
01:29:48because it's not a member of the association. The Ministry
01:29:51of Education requires day camps for children under 4 to get a
01:29:54childcare license. Each staff member has to complete a
01:29:57vulnerable sectors check, a deeper screening process that
01:30:00includes criminal background checks for anyone with
01:30:03positions of authority over kids. But camps for older kids
01:30:06don't fall under the ministry scope. This is a big gap in in
01:30:09in the legislation would need to worry is an employment lawyer based out of
01:30:13Toronto. He says Ontario should be mandating vulnerable sector
01:30:16checks for anyone entrusted with caring for children.
01:30:19Parents are entitled to expect a safe system. They are not
01:30:22expected to become private investigators. The camp bears
01:30:25the responsibility to screen, supervise and act on relevant
01:30:28information. The Ministry of Education would not provide
01:30:31answers to our questions asking why these types of checks are
01:30:34not mandated across day and overnight camps and whether
01:30:37there are any safeguards in place to ensure staff and
01:30:40volunteers at these camps do not have criminal convictions. CBC News
01:30:43also asked the Ministry of the Solicitor General whether the
01:30:47province would consider creating that legislation. We
01:30:49did not receive a response. Germ Regional Police told CBC
01:30:53News Gibbs has been redeployed from frontline patrol duties to
01:30:56an administrative role. It said it will determine whether he
01:30:59will be subject to a disciplinary hearing after the
01:31:02outcome of his court case. Gives is scheduled to be back
01:31:05in court for sentencing next month. Christian Devino. CBC News Lindsey.
01:31:14PEI RCMP say artificial intelligence is being used to
01:31:17target children and it's happening more often. Police
01:31:21say AI generated or manipulated content makes up about 1/3 of
01:31:25RCMP investigations into child sexual abuse and exploitation
01:31:30material. Approximately 33% of our investigations and material
01:31:35are now involving AI generated material. Under the Criminal
01:31:39Code, child sexual abuse and
01:31:41exploitation material is illegal.
01:31:44There are charges for making, possessing,
01:31:47distributing and accessing this kind of material,
01:31:50and it doesn't matter whether it's AI generated or not.
01:31:54Experts say AI generated images can be based on real children,
01:31:58often using stolen images. If you think about how AI models
01:32:02are created in the 1st place, they basically scrape the
01:32:06Internet. It's a vast vaping operation that indiscriminately
01:32:10vacuums up images all across the Internet. Marcus says it's
01:32:14not just strangers online who are using AI to create illegal
01:32:18content. He says it's been a growing problem in schools with
01:32:22students taking images of their classmates and altering them.
01:32:27With AI, you'll have students who will
01:32:29retrieve innocuous images on social media of their
01:32:32classmates and based on that are able to notify them using a
01:32:36widely available notification. Apps that are powered by
01:32:40generative AI and that are widely available on app stores.
01:32:44Kaiser says it's important
01:32:46the parents to talk to their kids about what it means to
01:32:50post pictures online. As soon as we allowed our children to
01:32:54have devices, which puts them on social media
01:32:57platforms, you have to have those types of
01:33:00conversations about what can happen if you post and what
01:33:03sites you should be on and how to not feel that if you do make
01:33:08these posts. And if something does happen,
01:33:10you shouldn't be afraid to come to a parent and have those
01:33:14types of conversations or somebody you trust
01:33:17about what's going on with you because it's very difficult if
01:33:21you're dealing with something like that alone. Kaiser says
01:33:24parents have to be cautious of what they post online,
01:33:27too. Although it's wonderful to sit and take pictures of her
01:33:30children and and place them on the Internet and show that this
01:33:34is the first day of school and whatnot,
01:33:36we have to be aware that these images
01:33:39can be taken from the Internet and utilized and manipulated in
01:33:46who their audience is and who their posts are visible to. He
01:33:50says anyone who knows of somebody creating this kind of
01:33:54material should report it to local law enforcement
01:33:57immediately. Gwyneth Egan, CBC News, Charlottetown.
01:36:07Visit any superstore, No Frills or independent grocer
01:36:09in Saskatchewan and you'll now find beef from Australia on the
01:36:12shelves. You'll also find it's nearly half the price of
01:36:16Canadian beef. Loblaws, which owns the Grocery Outlet,
01:36:19has added the meat as another option for consumers,
01:36:22but it's putting customers in a tough spot. Buy cheap or by
01:36:25Canadian. Well, I think it makes sense if the
01:36:28price is so high that people are going to look to something
01:36:31cheaper. I mean certainly it's not the sustainable options.
01:36:46Probably not, but we'll see
01:36:49at some point I may taste it and see. It's hard to believe
01:36:52they can ship it all the way and it'd be a lot cheaper.
01:36:56Loblaw says it remains committed to supporting
01:36:59Canadian beef producers while providing its customers with
01:37:02choice and value. The head of the Canadian Cattle Association
01:37:06says international beef on the shelf doesn't hurt local
01:37:09producers as their feeding methods make for a different
01:37:13product. The result is is really a product that is leaner,
01:37:16doesn't tend to have, you know, quite the same
01:37:19marbling and you know, and therefore isn't as
01:37:22preferred in well in in Canada as compared to the Canadian
01:37:26produced beef. Fulton says thanks to the Trans Pacific
01:37:30Partnership, Australian exported beef is
01:37:33filling a void here, while Canadian products do
01:37:36better in markets like Japan and Vietnam. But he also thinks
01:37:40the low price of Australian meat in Loblaws grocery stores
01:37:44could hurt the retailer. The other likely big factor here is
01:37:48that, you know, retailers
01:37:50still use a lost leader tactic where they will, you know,
01:37:54drop the price of of a certain product even below what it cost
01:37:58for them to bring it in. And he says that could cost Loblaws
01:38:03money in the end. But for the average grocery shopper,
01:38:06quality and cost will stay in consideration when they get to
01:38:21CBC News, Regina.
01:38:25Quebec oil producer Chantal van Winden says the products coming
01:38:29out of her field are 100% authentic. We're proud of this
01:38:32because we know we're nourishing well,
01:38:35the soul. We also know that we're nourishing well,
01:38:38the humans. This is camelina, an ancient crop in the mustard
01:38:42family. Oil is produced from its seeds. Van Winden says it
01:38:46can be directly traced from this field
01:38:49to the bottle, unlike some olive oil on the
01:38:52Canadian market. People are realizing that there's a big
01:38:55issue with olive oil quality. The Canadian Food Inspection
01:38:59Agency found that in about 1 out of 3 bottles it tested,
01:39:02the olive oil was either tampered with lower quality
01:39:06oils or misrepresented claims that it was extra virgin,
01:39:09unrefined, or cold pressed. In fact,
01:39:11the CFIA says that out of all of the food it tested,
01:39:15olive oil had the lowest compliance rate for
01:39:18authenticity testing. It's why Van Winden
01:39:20and other oil producers wrote an open letter to customers. We
01:39:24have to say to the world, to the to people for to
01:39:27Canadians that we do have other alternative. Olive oil fraud is
01:39:31a worldwide problem. In 2023, cases hit a record high in
01:39:35Europe, olive production has been going
01:39:37down and therefore olive oil production has been going down,
01:39:41which drove up the price. If there's money to be made,
01:39:44chances are people will try at some point. Last year,
01:39:47the CFIA intercepted about 7000 liters of adulterated olive oil,
01:39:51preventing
01:39:53from being sold. Michel Fabozzi says he checks every batch of
01:39:57olive oil he imports.
01:40:01Lab tests confirm its authenticity. Favuzza
01:40:03recommends consumers taste the product before using it. He
01:40:07says it should smell grassy, not like walnuts. The higher
01:40:10the quality, usually the more peppery and
01:40:13bitterness it has because it has more polyphenols,
01:40:16which are antioxidants. Favuzza says the more information is
01:40:19offered on the label, such as harvest date,
01:40:22olive oil variety and place of origin for the better. Gloria
01:40:26Enriquez, CBC News, Montreal.
01:40:30Bridget McGuinness stuffs a new backpack with crayons, pencils,
01:40:33paper and any other classroom necessity you can think of. She
01:40:37says every year the need for Parker Streets Back to School
01:40:41program only grows. The demand is strong,
01:40:44whether it's for food, furniture,
01:40:46the back to school program. We, we do run many various programs
01:40:50and what we're finding is that our lineups are getting longer.
01:40:54This year, the charity will give out up to
01:40:571000 backpacks to children in need.
01:41:00According to the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives,
01:41:03Nova Scotia continues to have one of the highest rates of
01:41:07childhood poverty in the country. That's why Kate
01:41:10Peppler's organization is also handing out backpacks to
01:41:13students identified by community and school social
01:41:16workers. So when you're already in a vulnerable situation or
01:41:20already low income, the added stress of how am I
01:41:23going to get my kids what they need to thrive at school and
01:41:27can be a big stressor on families. Last year,
01:41:30the Nova Scotia
01:41:31government made a permanent boost to income assistance to
01:41:35help with school related costs. In August,
01:41:38eligible families will receive an additional $100 per child
01:41:42aged 5 to 12 and $200 per child aged 13 to 18. But local
01:41:46charities must still fill in the gaps. Peppler thinks Nova
01:41:50Scotia should consider covering the cost of all essential
01:41:54school supplies for students like what's done in PEI.
01:41:58There's always more supports that can be offered,
01:42:01more that can be done. In Cape Breton,
01:42:04several community groups are coming together to distribute
01:42:072500 free backpacks with supplies to students across the
01:42:11island. I spoke to a single mom of three kids yesterday and she
01:42:15she was in tears. And she just, she simply looked at me and she
01:42:18said
01:42:20if it was going to be this or gas in my car or maybe less
01:42:23food on my table and a little girl,
01:42:25her backpack. And she dropped to the knees and said,
01:42:29this is so beautiful. And that's why we're here doing
01:42:32what we do because we love helping people. As the new
01:42:35school year inches closer, the organizations are still
01:42:39welcoming monetary and physical donations to help support those
01:42:43who need it most. Selena Alders, CBC News, Halifax.
01:42:48Now to some breaking news. Are you
01:42:50World News fast? We're gathering at one of those
01:42:53turning points in history, but a headline isn't the whole
01:42:56story. Get the facts that matter. Why is that your focus
01:42:58right now? From the source, you can trust the National Canada's Newscast.
01:45:03As another tariff deadline looms,
01:45:05this Abbotsford business owner is worried it poses an
01:45:09existential threat to my business. On any given month,
01:45:12I shipped 25 to 50% of my sales to United States.
01:45:19Blaine Marini's business manufacturers wallpaper,
01:45:22stickers and decals. His products are among nearly $28
01:45:25billion worth of Canadian goods the US is threatening to slap
01:45:2950% tariffs on come Wednesday. I have to either adapt or it'll
01:45:32mean changes to the way I do business here,
01:45:35which could include staff changes,
01:45:39even fast to ship orders before the tariff deadline. It
01:45:42actually has been overwhelming. I think about it every day.
01:45:45International tensions causing major concerns,
01:45:48especially for local businesses here in Abbotsford with its
01:45:51close cross-border ties, manufacturing and agriculture.
01:45:54We've got more than 300 businesses that are exporting
01:45:57to the United States. There's about a $1.5 billion in annual
01:46:01exports just out of Abbotsford alone. Mitchell says many of
01:46:04those exporters are up to 90% reliant on the US market. When
01:46:08there's this constantly
01:46:09changing tariff landscape, it's very challenging for
01:46:12customers and suppliers to continue to maintain those
01:46:15excellent trading relationships. the US claims it's imposing the
01:46:19tariffs because of Canadian discrimination toward its
01:46:21automobile, dairy and alcohol sectors. For
01:46:24example, it wants US liquor back on the
01:46:26shelves A provincially run stores. Ottawa is still pushing
01:46:29for an agreement with Washington. A key priority is
01:46:32to have Trump lower existing sectorial tariffs that have
01:46:35been punishing the steel, aluminum,
01:46:37auto and lumber industries. So a lot of companies are already
01:46:40dealing with this, where they've had to do layoffs,
01:46:43restructuring, unknown if they're going to be
01:46:46able to to survive, you know, this next, you know,
01:46:49wave that we're dealing with. Canada's Prime Minister is
01:46:52expected to speak to Trump in the next 48 hours,
01:46:55leaving business owners at the mercy of ongoing negotiations
01:46:59beneath breach. CBC News, Abbotsford.
01:47:03Now, American tariffs are most often paid by American consumers, but of course,
01:47:07they cut into the sales of both Canadian and American
01:47:10businesses. Look South of the border. The Howard family
01:47:13designs a custom furniture company in Michigan. It relies
01:47:16on Canadian lumber. As prices for their supplies go up,
01:47:20it's their customers who are struggling to absorb sudden
01:47:23added costs and the loss of business forces that company to
01:47:27make hard decisions. Michael Howard runs it. He joins us now
01:47:37the prospect of yet more tariffs again tomorrow morning.
01:47:40What, what would that mean in the
01:47:42grand scheme of things for you?
01:47:46It it means that provide for my family is going to be more
01:47:50challenging with the looming tariffs. We know we've already
01:47:54lost one potential project for a hospital that we were going
01:47:58to build some desk and furniture for. And 50% tariff
01:48:02will put it well beyond their range of affordability. So walk
01:48:06that through for me, because it's not just that it's
01:48:10becoming too expensive, it, it is that you are losing
01:48:14business. So this this desk for instance, are these deaths to produce
01:48:18because of the tariffs? It would just get too expensive
01:48:20for the customer themselves,
01:48:24correct? So we we can't absorb the
01:48:26increase in cost. And so knowing these tariffs were
01:48:29coming in place, I had to follow up with several
01:48:32of my clients and let them know one person's getting a kitchen
01:48:36done. We're building their kitchen cabinets which use
01:48:39softwood lumber that does come from Canada and in terms of
01:48:43plywood and, and they're willing to absorb
01:48:45the extra cost. This other client was not. And so we're
01:48:48going to lose about $3000 of profit just for this one client
01:48:52because they're not willing to absorb the increased,
01:48:55I'll say I the president's tariffs is gonna place. And so
01:48:59you have to absorb it,
01:49:03either have to absorb it or pass it along to the customer.
01:49:06And because we're such a small company,
01:49:08it's like we don't have the means to just absorb the
01:49:11increased cost. It would be too harsh for us. We can't afford
01:49:15it. And so we'd have to pass it along. I've already had to,
01:49:18I've already lost the staff member because we the decrease
01:49:21in business. You've had to let people go because this is
01:49:24impacting your bottom line.
01:49:27Unfortunately, yes, I have. You know, if,
01:49:29if the US president, if you were president was on in
01:49:32this conversation with us, he would probably say, well,
01:49:35why don't you use American lumber instead?
01:49:37So I'd put that to you, what what is the benefit of
01:49:39Canadian lumber
01:49:43that you guys have it The we do not have the capacity for
01:49:47lumber or aluminum, it's to meet the need. And we
01:49:50know when the demand is high and the supply is low that
01:49:54drives up the cost is like basic like you know,
01:49:58middle school economics. You guys have the lumber. We get
01:50:02about 70% of our softwood lumber from Canada. We can't
01:50:06even imagine building a a lumber mill to bring a lumber
01:50:10mill online in time.
01:50:12It's just nearly impossible. It takes years to bring a lumber
01:50:15mill online and it will decimate our forests. Whereas
01:50:18we have a great relationship with Canada or at least had one.
01:50:21And that partnership is so meaningful in regards of the
01:50:24lumber industry had you guys have the supply that we. Yeah,
01:50:27sorry, I don't mean Michael to cut you
01:50:29off, but I do wonder, was tariffs a word that was
01:50:32even spoken inside your business a few years ago?
01:50:36Absolutely not. As a small business owner,
01:50:38there are so many challenges in life when you're running a
01:50:42family owned business and our our business really does pride
01:50:45itself on giving back to the community. So outside of
01:50:48running a business, our main conversation is how
01:50:51can we pour back into our community. Now we're having our
01:50:54conversation outside of running our business is global
01:50:58economics and how are terrorists going to impact our
01:51:01customers, impact our staff members and
01:51:03impact our ability to provide for our families?
01:51:06Michael, look, you're not far from the border,
01:51:08but here we are north of the border. It's the top story
01:51:11today. It's probably gonna be the top story nationally
01:51:13tomorrow. People are talking about it. People are worried
01:51:16about it, a lot of businesses. And yet South of the border, it's it's barely making the
01:51:20news. It doesn't seem like people are talking about it. If
01:51:23they are, it's quiet lobbying, like the automakers are doing
01:51:26quiet lobbying of the White House. Few people are saying it
01:51:29out loud. Why do you think that is?
01:51:32I unfortunately, I think it is genuine fear. The,
01:51:35the reality is it is Congress's job to levy taxes and tariffs.
01:51:40And we have a president that is operating outside,
01:51:43in my opinion, outside of his means,
01:51:46and no one's really holding him accountable. And it's
01:51:49negatively impacting businesses like myself,
01:51:52but businesses across the US and across the border. And so I
01:51:56think there's a fear of if I speak out,
01:51:59I'll get retaliated against in regards to
01:52:02lobbyists and, and people that would normally
01:52:04be discussing this or news outlets,
01:52:06especially news outlets. We have seen that if a news outlet
01:52:09speaks out, they will be punished. But the
01:52:12reality is they're not speaking out on behalf of that news
01:52:15outlet. They're speaking out depending families like mine.
01:52:18And you know, school is about to get started
01:52:20soon. And so like, we're going to need paper for
01:52:23our kids and we're going to need school supplies and
01:52:26pencils and all those things are impacted by the lumber
01:52:29industry. And a 50% tariff on lumber will make it just simply
01:52:32make it harder for parents
01:52:33have 4 kids. It'll make it harder for us to be able to buy
01:52:36school supplies. It would be harder for teachers that are
01:52:39already underpaid, under supplied,
01:52:41and now they're going to have to come out of their pockets
01:52:44even more. It'll make it harder for business owners like me. So
01:52:47life in general is going to be very difficult. I think people
01:52:50aren't speaking out out of fear. If you're right. If it is that
01:52:53people aren't speaking out of fear,
01:52:56you're speaking out right now,
01:52:58does that mean you're not scared?
01:53:01No, no, I'm not. I, I think it is our job to,
01:53:04to speak up when we see a injustice and what's going on
01:53:08is, is injustice and it's not, it's,
01:53:10it's harming our community. And so when we see harm,
01:53:14we have to speak out. These terrorists were initially
01:53:18allegedly put in place because of
01:53:21theory about explicit drugs coming into America,
01:53:24and then it was a retaliation. And now there's another
01:53:28explanation, another explanation. And and
01:53:30it's like we want to support American businesses,
01:53:33so we place these tariffs and this is doing the exact
01:53:37opposite. Some businesses and our county have had to close
01:53:40because they rely on Canadian aluminum and they're having to
01:53:44close because of these tariffs and over the last couple years,
01:53:48not just now.
01:53:50All right, Michael Howard, thank you very much.
01:53:53Thank you so much.
01:59:42kind in Winnipeg. Mike Arseneau, CBC News, Winnipeg.
01:59:49Hi there Canada, my favorite word.
01:59:52Tariff. We're already hearing about layoffs.
01:59:56So you have questions? How seriously are you taking this threat?
01:59:59How is Hamilton bracing for tariff impact?
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02:00:41WE ARE SEEING SIGN OF POTENTIAL MOVEMENT TO HEAD-OFF THOSE
02:00:44MOVEMENT TO HEAD-OFF THOSE PUNISHING NEW U.S. TARIFFS. PUNISHING NEW U.S. TARIFFS. MORE TALKS WE ARE TOLD EXPECTED
02:00:48MORE TALKS WE ARE TOLD EXPECTED TODAY IN WASHINGTON AND TODAY IN WASHINGTON AND POTENTIALLY ANOTHER
02:00:52POTENTIALLY ANOTHER CONVERSATION BETWEEN MARK CONVERSATION BETWEEN MARK CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP.
02:00:55CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP. WE KNOW THE LEADERS SPOKE WE KNOW THE LEADERS SPOKE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON FOLLOWING
02:00:57YESTERDAY AFTERNOON FOLLOWING NEGOTIATIONS.
02:01:01NEGOTIATIONS. >> Rt. Hon. Mark Carney: >> Rt. Hon. Mark Carney: [Speaking French]
02:01:05>> Through Interpreter: LISTEN, WE ARE INVOLVED IN VERY WE ARE INVOLVED IN VERY DELICATE AND INTENSE
02:01:07DELICATE AND INTENSE NEGOTIATIONS. THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC.
02:01:11NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC. >> David: AND SO THAT IS NOT >> David: AND SO THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, BUT WE ARE GETTING A
02:01:14HAPPENING, BUT WE ARE GETTING A SENSE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE SENSE THOSE NEGOTIATIONS ARE ONGOING. ONGOING. THEY INTENSIFIED AFTER THE
02:01:18THEY INTENSIFIED AFTER THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THE NEW WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED THE NEW TARIFF THREAT LAST MONTH.
02:01:21TARIFF THREAT LAST MONTH. LEADER LEVEL TALKS COULD BE KEY
02:01:23LEADER LEVEL TALKS COULD BE KEY TO ANY AGREEMENT AND AS THE
02:01:26TO ANY AGREEMENT AND AS THE U.S. PRESIDENT'S TOP TRADE U.S. PRESIDENT'S TOP TRADE NEGOTIATOR
02:01:31WHICH CANADIAN BUSINESSES WOULD BE HIT HARDEST IF THE TARIFFS BE HIT HARDEST IF THE TARIFFS GO INTO PLACE.
02:01:34GO INTO PLACE. WE START WITH RAFFY. WE START WITH RAFFY. NEW DEVELOPMENTS FROM YOU THIS
02:01:38NEW DEVELOPMENTS FROM YOU THIS MORNING. MORNING. MORE TALKS ON THE WAY.
02:01:40MORE TALKS ON THE WAY. >> Reporter: YEAH, DAVID, LOOK,
02:01:43>> Reporter: YEAH, DAVID, LOOK, OFFICIALLY WE'RE NOT HEARING
02:01:46OFFICIALLY WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING YET FROM DOMINIC ANYTHING YET FROM DOMINIC LEBLANC'S OFFICE, THOUGH HE IS
02:01:51LEBLANC'S OFFICE, THOUGH HE IS STILL IN WASHINGTON. STILL IN WASHINGTON. OUR COLLEAGUES FROM
02:01:54OUR COLLEAGUES FROM RADIO-CANADA HAVE HEARD FROM RADIO-CANADA HAVE HEARD FROM SOURCES THAT THERE ARE FURTHER
02:01:57SOURCES THAT THERE ARE FURTHER MEETING THAT SHOULD BE MEETING THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING BETWEEN THE CANADIAN
02:02:00HAPPENING BETWEEN THE CANADIAN AND U.S. NEGOTIATORS. AND U.S. NEGOTIATORS. AFTER YESTERDAY WE WERE TOLD
02:02:03AFTER YESTERDAY WE WERE TOLD THAT MAYBE THE MEETING WAS THE THAT MAYBE THE MEETING WAS THE LAST ONE.
02:02:05LAST ONE. LOOKS LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED LOOKS LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED NOW. NOW. THERE COULD BE ANOTHER
02:02:09THERE COULD BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION BETWEEN PRIME CONVERSATION BETWEEN PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AND U.S.
02:02:12MINISTER MARK CARNEY AND U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP. THAT WILL BE THE SECOND IN TWO THAT WILL BE THE SECOND IN TWO DAYS.
02:02:16DAYS. MAYBE NO SURPRISE AS THAT MAYBE NO SURPRISE AS THAT DEADLINE IS LOOMING CLOSER, DEADLINE IS LOOMING CLOSER, RIGHT?
02:02:19RIGHT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50% TARIFFS.
02:02:22TARIFFS. THE HIGHEST THAT HAVE BEEN -- THE HIGHEST THAT HAVE BEEN -- THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED BY THE U.S.
02:02:26IMPLEMENTED BY THE U.S. PRESIDENT SO FAR SINCE PRESIDENT SO FAR SINCE RETURNING TO POWER IN THE WHITE
02:02:29RETURNING TO POWER IN THE WHITE HOUSE ON A RANGE OF CANADIAN HOUSE ON A RANGE OF CANADIAN GOODS.
02:02:31GOODS. ACTUALLY COVERED BY CUSMA.
02:02:33ACTUALLY COVERED BY CUSMA. THE THREE-WAY FREE TRADE DEAL
02:02:36THE THREE-WAY FREE TRADE DEAL BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. AND BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S. AND MEXICO.
02:02:39MEXICO. THE CURRENT ROUND OF TALKS HAS THE CURRENT ROUND OF TALKS HAS BEEN THE LONGEST AND MOST
02:02:42BEEN THE LONGEST AND MOST INVOLVED WE'VE SEEN IN A WHILE.
02:02:44INVOLVED WE'VE SEEN IN A WHILE. LEBLANC HIMSELF HAS NOT LEFT
02:02:47LEBLANC HIMSELF HAS NOT LEFT WASHINGTON IN MORE THAN A WEEK WASHINGTON IN MORE THAN A WEEK AND WE KNOW THAT MEETING
02:02:51AND WE KNOW THAT MEETING YESTERDAY BETWEEN HIM AND U.S. YESTERDAY BETWEEN HIM AND U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE JAMIESON
02:02:55TRADE REPRESENTATIVE JAMIESON GREER WAS AN HOUR AND 45 GREER WAS AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES LONG.
02:02:58MINUTES LONG. THE LONGEST TALK THEY'VE HAD SO THE LONGEST TALK THEY'VE HAD SO FAR.
02:03:02FAR. NOW, PRESUMABLY ANY TALKS, ANY NOW, PRESUMABLY ANY TALKS, ANY FURTHER TALKS WOULD HAVE TO
02:03:05FURTHER TALKS WOULD HAVE TO IRON OUT THE MAJOR STICKING IRON OUT THE MAJOR STICKING POINTS.
02:03:09POINTS. THINK ABOUT THE BAN ON AMERICAN THINK ABOUT THE BAN ON AMERICAN ALCOHOL PLACED BY MOST ALCOHOL PLACED BY MOST PROVINCES IN CANADA.
02:03:13PROVINCES IN CANADA. THE U.S. HAS BEEN QUITE VOCAL THE U.S. HAS BEEN QUITE VOCAL ON HOW UNHAPPY THEY ARE ABOUT
02:03:17ON HOW UNHAPPY THEY ARE ABOUT THAT. THAT. IN FACT, THEY CITED THAT WHEN
02:03:19IN FACT, THEY CITED THAT WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THESE NEW THEY ANNOUNCED THESE NEW TARIFFS A MONTH AGO.
02:03:22TARIFFS A MONTH AGO. THE CANADIANS MEANWHILE ARE THE CANADIANS MEANWHILE ARE EXPECTING A SUBSTANTIAL
02:03:26EXPECTING A SUBSTANTIAL LOWERING OF THE EXISTING SECTOR
02:03:30LOWERING OF THE EXISTING SECTOR TARIFFS ON STEEL, ALUMINUM, TARIFFS ON STEEL, ALUMINUM, AUTO, SOFTWOOD LUMBER, I MEAN,
02:03:34AUTO, SOFTWOOD LUMBER, I MEAN, YOU NAME IT AT THIS POINT. YOU NAME IT AT THIS POINT. THE CANADIANS HAVE PUBLICLY
02:03:37THE CANADIANS HAVE PUBLICLY SAID WE WANT THOSE TARIFFS
02:03:41SAID WE WANT THOSE TARIFFS LOWERED TO 10 TO 12%. LOWERED TO 10 TO 12%. NO SIGN OF THE AMERICANS GOING
02:03:45NO SIGN OF THE AMERICANS GOING THAT FAR. THAT FAR. >> HEARING FROM THE PRIME >> HEARING FROM THE PRIME MINISTER YESTERDAY SAYING HE
02:03:49MINISTER YESTERDAY SAYING HE DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE IN DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE IN PUBLIC, THAT THEY'RE AT A
02:03:53PUBLIC, THAT THEY'RE AT A DELICATE PHASE, AND YET THE DELICATE PHASE, AND YET THE FACT THAT MARK CARNEY AND
02:03:56FACT THAT MARK CARNEY AND DONALD TRUMP ARE SPEAKING, THE DONALD TRUMP ARE SPEAKING, THE FACT THAT IT GETS TO THAT
02:03:59FACT THAT IT GETS TO THAT LEVEL, IS THERE A SIGNAL THAT LEVEL, IS THERE A SIGNAL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT?
02:04:02WE SHOULD TAKE FROM THAT? >> Reporter: I MEAN, PRESUMABLY
02:04:06>> Reporter: I MEAN, PRESUMABLY YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT AS YOU CAN INTERPRET THAT AS EVERYONE WANTS SOME KIND OF
02:04:10EVERYONE WANTS SOME KIND OF DEAL HERE. DEAL HERE. I NOTE THAT HOWARD LUTNICK, THE
02:04:14I NOTE THAT HOWARD LUTNICK, THE SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE WAS ALSO SECRETARY FOR COMMERCE WAS ALSO INVOLVED IN THE TALKS
02:04:17INVOLVED IN THE TALKS YESTERDAY.
02:04:18YESTERDAY. SOMETHING WE HADN'T SEEN IN A SOMETHING WE HADN'T SEEN IN A WHILE.
02:04:23WHILE. SO YOU COULD SEE MAYBE THERE'S SO YOU COULD SEE MAYBE THERE'S SOME KIND OF WILLINGNESS FOR
02:04:25SOME KIND OF WILLINGNESS FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN HERE, FOR A
02:04:28SOMETHING TO HAPPEN HERE, FOR A DEAL TO COME THROUGH BECAUSE -- DEAL TO COME THROUGH BECAUSE -- I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN,
02:04:31I MEAN, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHO KNOWS WHERE THE NEXT
02:04:34WHO KNOWS WHERE THE NEXT ESCALATION WILL TAKE US, RIGHT? ESCALATION WILL TAKE US, RIGHT? THESE NEW TARIFFS COULD KICK IN
02:04:37THESE NEW TARIFFS COULD KICK IN RIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT OR MAYBE RIGHT AFTER MIDNIGHT OR MAYBE NOT.
02:04:40NOT. WE'VE ALSO SEEN DONALD TRUMP WE'VE ALSO SEEN DONALD TRUMP SOMETIMES THREATEN TARIFFS HE
02:04:43SOMETIMES THREATEN TARIFFS HE DOES NOT GO THROUGH WITH. DOES NOT GO THROUGH WITH. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE
02:04:47A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HIS MUSINGS HE'S
02:04:52TALKING ABOUT HIS MUSINGS HE'S UNHAPPY WITH THE CANADIAN
02:04:53UNHAPPY WITH THE CANADIAN WILDFIRE SMOKE BLOWING INTO THE
02:04:57WILDFIRE SMOKE BLOWING INTO THE U.S. AND MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE U.S. AND MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE TARIFFS OF THAT.
02:05:01TARIFFS OF THAT. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. MARK CARNEY WAS IN A MEETING
02:05:05MARK CARNEY WAS IN A MEETING LAST MONTH WITH HIS PROVINCIAL LAST MONTH WITH HIS PROVINCIAL AND TERRITORIAL COUNTERPARTS
02:05:09AND TERRITORIAL COUNTERPARTS AND ASKED THEM TO DRAW UP PLANS AND ASKED THEM TO DRAW UP PLANS FOR RETALIATION.
02:05:12FOR RETALIATION. WHEN JOURNALISTS ASKED CARNEY
02:05:14WHEN JOURNALISTS ASKED CARNEY ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY HE HAS
02:05:16ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY HE HAS PLANS FOR ANY SITUATION THAT
02:05:18PLANS FOR ANY SITUATION THAT MAY ARISE.
02:05:21MAY ARISE. MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WILL
02:05:24MAYBE AT SOME POINT IT WILL SINK IN THIS TRADE WAR CANNOT SINK IN THIS TRADE WAR CANNOT KEEP GOING THE WAY IT HAS
02:05:28KEEP GOING THE WAY IT HAS BECAUSE IT'S HURTING EVERYONE. BECAUSE IT'S HURTING EVERYONE. NOT SURE IF WE'RE AT THAT P
02:05:34A symbol of Canada and a target of looming tariffs,
02:05:38hockey sticks shipped to the US are set to be slapped with a
02:05:42new 50% import fee, along with a wide range of
02:05:45other Canadian goods from liquor to toilet paper. We have
02:05:49a free trade agreement in place that eliminates this type of
02:05:53erratic behavior, so it's extremely frustrating.
02:05:56No matter the existing trade deal on Wednesday,
02:06:00the tariffs are slated to hit much of the gear Joey Walsh
02:06:04sells. He plans to absorb those
02:06:06added costs, but worries about potential
02:06:08confusion for his online customers. The worst fear is
02:06:12that that Americans are are misinformed and that they don't
02:06:15understand that I'm going to handle it,
02:06:18that they're not going to be hit with a tariff. Nearly $28
02:06:22billion worth of Canadian exports could be affected.
02:06:25Among the sectors hardest hit, electronics and electrical
02:06:28equipment, plastics and furniture,
02:06:31bedding and lighting on Cindy Baldassi's online jewelry store.
02:06:35She's already warning sales to the US are temporarily
02:06:38suspended while I calculate the new tariffs. It will be a
02:06:42substantial amount, possibly a loss of 50% or more
02:06:45of my business. And consider the sting for beekeepers in
02:06:49Alberta, where much of their honey is
02:06:51sent wholesale stateside. The fear is the new US levy will
02:06:55lead to a glut on this side of the border. It will strand an
02:06:59enormous amount of honey on the prairies and it could be really,
02:07:03really damaging to our our price this year. The Trump
02:07:07administration already adds a toll on Canadian autos.
02:07:10Softwood
02:07:12number and more. This round of tariffs is set to hit smaller
02:07:15exporters, leading to pleas for a last
02:07:18minute deal. Ideally, that deal will lower the
02:07:22current tariffs to a more manageable level. For now,
02:07:26there's more uncertainty swirling over those barrels
02:07:30full of honey and so much else. Thomas Daggett, CBC News,
02:07:34Toronto.
02:07:36For more on what these tariffs and potential counter tariffs
02:07:39might mean, senior business reporter Peter
02:07:41Armstrong joins us. Peter, do we have any idea of how hard
02:07:43they're going to hit Canadians? You know,
02:07:45the saying's true. Tariffs hurt everyone. We've seen that
02:07:48repeatedly for 18 months now. This round, if it goes ahead,
02:07:51will be no different. the US tariffs will drive up costs for
02:07:54American businesses and American households. Conversely,
02:07:57if Canada makes good on its threat of counter terrorists,
02:07:59those will hurt Canadian businesses,
02:08:01Canadian households. But the bigger thing is all of the
02:08:04uncertainty that just comes with the trade war. And business hates uncertainties.
02:08:08So how much has that or will that affect the Canadian
02:08:11economy significantly? The economy was weak before the
02:08:13trade war. It was made weaker still by the tariffs and all
02:08:16that uncertainty. And yeah, the Canadian economy has been
02:08:19more resilient than a lot of us had expected. But better than
02:08:22expected is not better. And it's a far cry from good. We've
02:08:25had very little economic growth in a year. We've had only
02:08:28meager job growth over that time. And where the tariffs
02:08:31have hit, Susan, they've hit very hard. Look at
02:08:33the automotive hub of Windsor, ON. After auto tariffs were
02:08:36introduced there, it had the highest unemployment rate in the country.
02:08:40So if these tariffs go ahead on Wednesday and it might be done
02:08:43right to the wire, right, what impact on the larger
02:08:46economy? Well, so we know that Wednesdays to
02:08:49this tranche of tariffs on Wednesdays will only apply to
02:08:52like 5% of Canada's exports to the US. But just like the first
02:08:55round of tariffs where they hit, they will hurt. And again,
02:08:58that bigger concern is that they'll deepen the trade war.
02:09:02We'll see more tariffs, more counter tariffs and all of
02:09:15ripping off Newfoundland and Labrador,
02:09:17Premier Tony Wakim says this deal is a fix. We have achieved
02:09:21a rare win, win, win. Quebec will pay a lot more
02:09:24for the power from the Churchill Falls Hydroelectric
02:09:27generating station and Labrador Hydro. Quebec will build a new
02:09:30dam at Gull Island, producing thousands of
02:09:33megawatts of new power. A wind project could produce thousands
02:09:36of megawatts more. Then there's a federally funded power line
02:09:40to bring this electricity to new mining projects
02:09:43altogether. Ottawa says it will triple the capacity of
02:09:46Churchill Falls, enough power to light, heat,
02:09:48cool the homes in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver combined.
02:09:52Churchill Falls has been contentious since the two
02:09:54provinces signed their first deal in 1969,
02:09:57where Newfoundland and Labrador sold its power to Quebec on the
02:10:00cheap a year and a half ago. 2 Now former premiers ripped up
02:10:04that deal for a new one. And we are endeavoring.
02:10:08Wacom's Progressive Conservatives won last fall's
02:10:11election, and he went back to negotiate
02:10:14more power for industrial development,
02:10:16the single largest clean energy investment in North American
02:10:20history. Now history risks repeating itself within days.
02:10:24Quebec is headed into its own election campaign,
02:10:27and the governing Coalition Avenir Quebec is in trouble. I
02:10:30see the the particular Bequia is interested in turning up
02:10:34this agreement. Where will they find the 10,
02:10:37000 megawatts we are bringing to Quebec
02:10:39that agreement?
02:10:41Nothing stops a new premier in Quebec from ripping up this
02:10:45deal. But Quebec's plan to decarbonize requires finding
02:10:48new sources of renewable energy. It's the low hanging fruit. And
02:10:51I think when they're going to see the numbers,
02:10:53they're going to realize that, well,
02:10:55I guess we're going to suck it up, excuse my language, and,
02:10:59and go with with this deal.
02:11:01In the last election, Wacom promised a referendum on
02:11:04any new deal. But now he says there just isn't enough time.
02:11:07Instead, provincial politicians will get
02:11:09a chance to weigh in during a special sitting of the
02:11:12legislature. Peter. There's also the question, though,
02:11:15of Indigenous support.
02:11:17Yeah, these projects sit on new lands,
02:11:20and they've already signed off on a new hydro deal,
02:11:23but not this new wind farm. Now, the federal government is
02:11:27offering to make them part owners of this new project. But
02:11:31the newly elected grand chief says she needs to see more
02:11:34details. OK, thanks, Peter. Peter Cowan in St. John's tonight.
02:11:41Everyone at the announcement described the deal as the win
02:11:48seen as a sweetheart deal for the province,
02:11:51giving it ultra low prices. But Hydro Quebec says this new deal
02:11:55is set to provide up to 10, 000 megawatts of electricity to
02:11:58the province. That extra capacity will allow prices to
02:12:02be kept below market rates. One of the many attractive features
02:12:05of this contract is the low cost of energy for the whole
02:12:09project. Quebec's premiers
02:12:11that the timing is important because it takes about 15 years
02:12:15to build and activate a hydroelectric energy plant. The
02:12:19old deal was set to expire in 2041. It's an agreement that
02:12:23will define the energy future of Quebec. We will probably
02:12:27talk about this and, you know, in 2050,
02:12:29fifty years. Hydro Quebec is set to invest $45 billion into
02:12:33the project and receive about 6. 5 billions from the federal
02:12:37government. The Crown corporation's executive vice
02:12:41president David Graham said for Quebeckers,
02:12:44that means their electricity bills would go up starting in
02:12:472029, between 2 and 5% each year,
02:12:49but any increase would need to be approved by the Quebec
02:12:53Energy Board. If Hydro Quebec does want to increase energy
02:12:57rates at that kind of rate, then they should also be
02:13:00helping people to fix the insulation in their homes,
02:13:03fix a lot of the problems that people have keeping their
02:13:07energy bills down. Presently, this is not a done deal yet.
02:13:10The Churchill River sits within the land
02:13:13claim of the Annunciation. There are major stakeholder in
02:13:16the project, but they say they're yet to be
02:13:19properly consulted and it's a possibility that another
02:13:22government decide to tear up that agreement. I see the the
02:13:26particular requires interested in taking up this agreement
02:13:29they don't want to implement.
02:13:32OK, So what a what do they offer to
02:13:35Quebeckers? PQ Leader Polson Pier Plamondon
02:13:38responded on social media, saying that's simply false. How
02:13:41could he tear up a deal he hasn't seen?
02:13:44He went on to say that if it's positive for Quebec, his party,
02:13:48if elected in October, would keep it.
02:16:19Near the Israeli Gaza border, preparations underway for an
02:16:23international force to oversee key elements of U.S. President
02:16:27Donald Trump's peace plan,
02:16:32the latest version of which was shot down last week by Israel's
02:16:36Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saying Israel will
02:16:40not withdraw from Gaza until Hamas fully disarms,
02:16:43something Hamas says can only happen if Israeli soldiers pull
02:16:47out. If they don't fall through now and their commitment,
02:16:51everyone will see that they're not genuine about peace.
02:16:55Trump's envoy and son-in-law Jared Kushner was in Israel on
02:16:59Monday after meeting Hamas leaders in Cairo. Keep in mind
02:17:03that President Trump does need a win,
02:17:06IE concrete progress on the plan before the midterms and
02:17:11given that all the other wars are not going as per the plan.
02:17:16But Netanyahu also wants to win, voting here in election
02:17:21primaries for his Likud party. He faces national elections in
02:17:27October and his base won't want any let up on Hamas.
02:17:32This veteran conflict negotiator with experience in
02:17:36Northern Ireland insists it's still possible to salvage an
02:17:41Israeli Hamas deal even from a position of no trust. We had
02:17:45the signing of the Good Friday Agreement when in principle
02:17:49they IRA agreed to disarm and to move from what they would
02:17:53say, the armed resistance into
02:17:56political engagement. But it took seven years or more to
02:18:00reach a verifiable disarmament.
02:18:03For Gazans, another round of diplomacy is
02:18:07one more day of disappointment. Netanyahu's office says Israel
02:18:12and Trump's Board of Peace agree that there will be no
02:18:17reconstruction in Gaza until after Hamas has been fully
02:18:21disarmed. Margaret Evans, CBC News, London.
02:18:29It's been 30 years since Tupac Shakur was gunned down. Who's
02:18:33responsible? One of hip hop's biggest
02:18:36mysteries Monday, former gang leader Dwayne Keffe
02:18:39D Davis faced a judge and jury in a Las Vegas courtroom,
02:18:43the only person ever charged in connection to the killing.
02:18:46Prosecutors say Davis didn't fire the shots but orchestrated
02:18:50it, calling Shakur's murder
02:18:52retribution for the beating of Davis's nephew. Ask yourself if
02:18:56what they're saying
02:18:58it's really true,
02:19:01fact or fiction. Shakur was shot 4 times after leaving the
02:19:05Mike Tyson boxing match. Police say a white Cadillac pulled up
02:19:09alongside the BMW carrying Shakur and opened fire. The
02:19:12first witness, a former Las Vegas police
02:19:15officer who was in the ambulance with Shakur as he was
02:19:19rushed to hospital.
02:19:22Convince him to tell me the name of whoever is assailants
02:19:26were and did he ever respond Yes, he responded no, no, we'll,
02:19:30we'll take care of it. Shakur died six days later.
02:19:33Prosecutors are relying heavily on Davis's own words,
02:19:37police and TV interviews and a 2019 tell All memoir. I would
02:19:41like you guys to buy it and get the real truth. His defence now
02:19:46says those statements were made-up to sell books and make
02:19:50money. Shakur's cousin doesn't
02:19:52quiet. Of course he's gonna evade accountability by saying
02:19:56or claiming that he embellished what he proudly boasted about
02:20:01for the last 15 years.
02:20:04Facts of the case is still capturing attention 30 years
02:20:09later. He was a multi talented artist whose life was cut short
02:20:14so short so early. I think it's just something that that
02:20:18fascinates people, especially at the time that hip
02:20:23hop is ascending
02:20:25even now, is whether prosecutors can turn
02:20:28Davis's own words into proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
02:20:32Karen Pauls, CBC News, Winnipeg.
02:21:03dispatch recording. A first responder references and
02:21:07overdose, but authorities say the
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02:24:49Tear down work has begun at Tumblr Ridge Secondary School
02:24:51months after a mass shooting killed 6 people,
02:24:54including five children. We spoke to our Matt Pre post
02:24:57earlier today who talked about the work that has now begun.
02:25:02Yeah, Hi Michelle. As you can see
02:25:04behind me is the South wing of the former Tumblr Ridge
02:25:07Secondary School scraped down to its metal beams today. Now
02:25:11this is where the schools auto shop class was for the trades
02:25:15area was located. There was even a fish farm that students
02:25:19enjoyed in this part of the school.
02:25:23The school has been around for as long as the town itself.
02:25:26It's held a lot of memories and of course there's been a lot of
02:25:30emotions today. As Rat residents gathered on the
02:25:32hillside next to me watching it come down after the events of
02:25:36February 10th, I spoke to one resident who
02:25:38came out to watch today's demolition get underway. Here's
02:25:42what Chris Norbury had to say. There's a lot of good lot of
02:25:45good memories here in Tumblr Ridge that have happened at
02:25:48that school. And I think it's very natural that a lot of
02:25:52those past feelings are coming back.
02:25:54But you know, this is going to be the start
02:25:56of the next chapter of Tumblr Ridge and it's and its students,
02:25:59you know, the, you know, the the student body and the
02:26:02teachers had their had their opportunity to say what they
02:26:04wanted and this is what they want. And you know,
02:26:07I stand behind them. And
02:26:13as you just heard from Chris Norbury,
02:26:15students and teachers had a big say in determining the future
02:26:18of this school. The community was also asked for their input
02:26:21and majority supporting tearing down the school
02:26:25is happening for students as they wait for their new school
02:26:28to be built.
02:26:30We also dropped by the Tumblr Ridge Elementary School site
02:26:34just a few blocks away. That's where a temporary modular
02:26:37campus for students has been set up and is being expanded.
02:26:40Crews were building a gathering space today that's going to be
02:26:44open for the new year, the new school year. There's
02:26:47about 8 or 9 classroom pods about, you know,
02:26:502 counseling areas, some offices. There's a mobile
02:26:53trades training classroom that's also been set up. The
02:26:56site behind me, the former secondary school
02:26:59here, is going to be returned
02:27:01to grasp that work will be complete by the fall. Of course,
02:27:04the school district is working on designs and concepts that
02:27:07plans to bring to consultations with the community later this
02:27:10year. And of course, discussions are also going to
02:27:13get underway. But what a future memorial site here in the
02:27:15community might look like. I spoke with Mayor Darrell
02:27:18Krakowska. Here's what he had to say. When we talk about the
02:27:21memorial permit memorial, that'll be dictated by the
02:27:24families that have lost loved ones and as they as they go
02:27:27through their grieving stages and stuff and are prepared to
02:27:30have that conversation into the district. And we'll have a conversation. And with
02:27:34that permanent mural looks like and what location it would like
02:27:36to see that, you know, whether that is where the
02:27:38secondary school was or if it's another place in the community
02:27:41they feel more comfortable with.
02:27:44Michelle, like I said, a lot of emotions here in the
02:27:47community today watching this Tumblr Ridge Secondary School
02:27:51come down and a lot of work still to do to bring some sense
02:27:54of closure and normalcy for students and families.
02:27:59Since KL Hockey started its summer camp last month,
02:28:01CBC News has learned one of its lead instructors continued to
02:28:04work with kids until last week, despite having pleaded guilty
02:28:07in April to two counts of assaulting children known to
02:28:10him. That instructor is Bradley Gibbs,
02:28:12a Durham Regional Police officer. CBC News spoke with
02:28:15one of the victims, who is now an adult.
02:28:18To one of those camps. I would
02:28:20be really concerned we've altered their voice and hidden
02:28:23their identity because it's protected by a court ordered
02:28:26publication ban. They say Gibbs is a cofounder of the camp and
02:28:30believes the camp's owners knew about his guilty pleas. They
02:28:33would never hire someone with a criminal record like that, so
02:28:38I think I want people to agree with me that I'm being fired
02:28:41from this job would be fair. After CBC News reached out to
02:28:44Kyle Hockey and Gibbs, the camp sent an e-mail to
02:28:47parents last week saying Gibbs would no longer be working at
02:28:50the camp. Given the recent attention surrounding this
02:28:53matter, Brad believes that stepping
02:28:55back is in the best interest of our players,
02:28:57families in camp community, wrote camp director Amanda
02:29:00Tales. The e-mail to parents included a letter from Gibbs
02:29:04saying he took full responsibility for a personal
02:29:06legal matter, saying he accepted
02:29:08accountability for my lapse in judgment. Neither Gibbs nor the
02:29:11camp elaborated what the legal matter was in their messages to
02:29:15parents. In a statement to CBC News,
02:29:17Kale Hockey said it would not be making any further comments
02:29:20while the case is still before the courts. Gibbs did not
02:29:24respond to our request for an interview. In Ontario,
02:29:26there is no legislation requiring summer camps to
02:29:29perform security checks of their staff. The Ontario Camps
02:29:32Association says it requires its 400 members to perform
02:29:35criminal background checks, but its membership is voluntary,
02:29:39and the association says it does not mandate what action
02:29:42camp leaders should take after those checks are completed. And
02:29:45Kale Hockey doesn't have to follow those same standards
02:29:48because it's not a member of the association. The Ministry
02:29:51of Education requires day camps for children under 4 to get a
02:29:54childcare license. Each staff member has to complete a
02:29:57vulnerable sectors check, a deeper screening process that
02:30:00includes criminal background checks for anyone with
02:30:03positions of authority over kids. But camps for older kids
02:30:06don't fall under the ministry scope. This is a big gap in in
02:30:09in the legislation would need to worry is an employment lawyer based out of
02:30:13Toronto. He says Ontario should be mandating vulnerable sector
02:30:16checks for anyone entrusted with caring for children.
02:30:19Parents are entitled to expect a safe system. They are not
02:30:22expected to become private investigators. The camp bears
02:30:25the responsibility to screen, supervise and act on relevant
02:30:28information. The Ministry of Education would not provide
02:30:31answers to our questions asking why these types of checks are
02:30:34not mandated across day and overnight camps and whether
02:30:37there are any safeguards in place to ensure staff and
02:30:40volunteers at these camps do not have criminal convictions. CBC News
02:30:43also asked the Ministry of the Solicitor General whether the
02:30:47province would consider creating that legislation. We
02:30:49did not receive a response. Germ Regional Police told CBC
02:30:53News Gibbs has been redeployed from frontline patrol duties to
02:30:56an administrative role. It said it will determine whether he
02:30:59will be subject to a disciplinary hearing after the
02:31:02outcome of his court case. Gives is scheduled to be back
02:31:05in court for sentencing next month. Christian Devino. CBC News Lindsey.
02:31:14PEI RCMP say artificial intelligence is being used to
02:31:17target children and it's happening more often. Police
02:31:21say AI generated or manipulated content makes up about 1/3 of
02:31:25RCMP investigations into child sexual abuse and exploitation
02:31:30material. Approximately 33% of our investigations and material
02:31:35are now involving AI generated material. Under the Criminal
02:31:39Code, child sexual abuse and
02:31:41exploitation material is illegal.
02:31:44There are charges for making, possessing,
02:31:47distributing and accessing this kind of material,
02:31:50and it doesn't matter whether it's AI generated or not.
02:31:54Experts say AI generated images can be based on real children,
02:31:58often using stolen images. If you think about how AI models
02:32:02are created in the 1st place, they basically scrape the
02:32:06Internet. It's a vast vaping operation that indiscriminately
02:32:10vacuums up images all across the Internet. Marcus says it's
02:32:14not just strangers online who are using AI to create illegal
02:32:18content. He says it's been a growing problem in schools with
02:32:22students taking images of their classmates and altering them.
02:32:27With AI, you'll have students who will
02:32:29retrieve innocuous images on social media of their
02:32:32classmates and based on that are able to notify them using a
02:32:36widely available notification. Apps that are powered by
02:32:40generative AI and that are widely available on app stores.
02:32:44Kaiser says it's important
02:32:46the parents to talk to their kids about what it means to
02:32:50post pictures online. As soon as we allowed our children to
02:32:54have devices, which puts them on social media
02:32:57platforms, you have to have those types of
02:33:00conversations about what can happen if you post and what
02:33:03sites you should be on and how to not feel that if you do make
02:33:08these posts. And if something does happen,
02:33:10you shouldn't be afraid to come to a parent and have those
02:33:14types of conversations or somebody you trust
02:33:17about what's going on with you because it's very difficult if
02:33:21you're dealing with something like that alone. Kaiser says
02:33:24parents have to be cautious of what they post online,
02:33:27too. Although it's wonderful to sit and take pictures of her
02:33:30children and and place them on the Internet and show that this
02:33:34is the first day of school and whatnot,
02:33:36we have to be aware that these images
02:33:39can be taken from the Internet and utilized and manipulated in
02:33:43a wide variety of ways. Kaiser says people should be aware of
02:33:47who their audience is and who their posts are visible to. He
02:33:50says anyone who knows of somebody creating this kind of
02:33:54material should report it to local law enforcement
02:33:57immediately. Gwyneth Egan, CBC News, Charlottetown.
02:36:07Visit any superstore, No Frills or independent grocer
02:36:09in Saskatchewan and you'll now find beef from Australia on the
02:36:12shelves. You'll also find it's nearly half the price of
02:36:16Canadian beef. Loblaws, which owns the Grocery Outlet,
02:36:19has added the meat as another option for consumers,
02:36:22but it's putting customers in a tough spot. Buy cheap or by
02:36:25Canadian. Well, I think it makes sense if the
02:36:28price is so high that people are going to look to something
02:36:46Probably not, but we'll see
02:36:49at some point I may taste it and see. It's hard to believe
02:36:52they can ship it all the way and it'd be a lot cheaper.
02:36:56Loblaw says it remains committed to supporting
02:36:59Canadian beef producers while providing its customers with
02:37:02choice and value. The head of the Canadian Cattle Association
02:37:06says international beef on the shelf doesn't hurt local
02:37:09producers as their feeding methods make for a different
02:37:13product. The result is is really a product that is leaner,
02:37:16doesn't tend to have, you know, quite the same
02:37:19marbling and you know, and therefore isn't as
02:37:22preferred in well in in Canada as compared to the Canadian
02:37:26produced beef. Fulton says thanks to the Trans Pacific
02:37:30Partnership, Australian exported beef is
02:37:33filling a void here, while Canadian products do
02:37:36better in markets like Japan and Vietnam. But he also thinks
02:37:40the low price of Australian meat in Loblaws grocery stores
02:37:44could hurt the retailer. The other likely big factor here is
02:37:48that, you know, retailers
02:37:50still use a lost leader tactic where they will, you know,
02:37:54drop the price of of a certain product even below what it cost
02:37:58for them to bring it in. And he says that could cost Loblaws
02:38:03money in the end. But for the average grocery shopper,
02:38:06quality and cost will stay in consideration when they get to
02:38:21CBC News, Regina.
02:38:25Quebec oil producer Chantal van Winden says the products coming
02:38:29out of her field are 100% authentic. We're proud of this
02:38:32because we know we're nourishing well,
02:38:35the soul. We also know that we're nourishing well,
02:38:38the humans. This is camelina, an ancient crop in the mustard
02:38:42family. Oil is produced from its seeds. Van Winden says it
02:38:46can be directly traced from this field
02:38:49to the bottle, unlike some olive oil on the
02:38:52Canadian market. People are realizing that there's a big
02:38:55issue with olive oil quality. The Canadian Food Inspection
02:38:59Agency found that in about 1 out of 3 bottles it tested,
02:39:02the olive oil was either tampered with lower quality
02:39:06oils or misrepresented claims that it was extra virgin,
02:39:09unrefined, or cold pressed. In fact,
02:39:11the CFIA says that out of all of the food it tested,
02:39:15olive oil had the lowest compliance rate for
02:39:18authenticity testing. It's why Van Winden
02:39:20and other oil producers wrote an open letter to customers. We
02:39:24have to say to the world, to the to people for to
02:39:27Canadians that we do have other alternative. Olive oil fraud is
02:39:31a worldwide problem. In 2023, cases hit a record high in
02:39:35Europe, olive production has been going
02:39:37down and therefore olive oil production has been going down,
02:39:41which drove up the price. If there's money to be made,
02:39:44chances are people will try at some point. Last year,
02:39:47the CFIA intercepted about 7000 liters of adulterated olive oil,
02:39:51preventing
02:39:53from being sold. Michel Fabozzi says he checks every batch of
02:39:57olive oil he imports.
02:40:01Lab tests confirm its authenticity. Favuzza
02:40:03recommends consumers taste the product before using it. He
02:40:07says it should smell grassy, not like walnuts. The higher
02:40:10the quality, usually the more peppery and
02:40:13bitterness it has because it has more polyphenols,
02:40:16which are antioxidants. Favuzza says the more information is
02:40:19offered on the label, such as harvest date,
02:40:22olive oil variety and place of origin for the better. Gloria
02:40:26Enriquez, CBC News, Montreal.
02:40:30Bridget McGuinness stuffs a new backpack with crayons, pencils,
02:40:33paper and any other classroom necessity you can think of. She
02:40:37says every year the need for Parker Streets Back to School
02:40:41program only grows. The demand is strong,
02:40:44whether it's for food, furniture,
02:40:46the back to school program. We, we do run many various programs
02:40:50and what we're finding is that our lineups are getting longer.
02:40:54This year, the charity will give out up to
02:40:571000 backpacks to children in need.
02:41:00According to the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives,
02:41:03Nova Scotia continues to have one of the highest rates of
02:41:07childhood poverty in the country. That's why Kate
02:41:10Peppler's organization is also handing out backpacks to
02:41:13students identified by community and school social
02:41:16workers. So when you're already in a vulnerable situation or
02:41:20already low income, the added stress of how am I
02:41:23going to get my kids what they need to thrive at school and
02:41:27can be a big stressor on families. Last year,
02:41:30the Nova Scotia
02:41:31government made a permanent boost to income assistance to
02:41:35help with school related costs. In August,
02:41:38eligible families will receive an additional $100 per child
02:41:42aged 5 to 12 and $200 per child aged 13 to 18. But local
02:41:46charities must still fill in the gaps. Peppler thinks Nova
02:41:50Scotia should consider covering the cost of all essential
02:41:54school supplies for students like what's done in PEI.
02:41:58There's always more supports that can be offered,
02:42:01more that can be done. In Cape Breton,
02:42:04several community groups are coming together to distribute
02:42:072500 free backpacks with supplies to students across the
02:42:11island. I spoke to a single mom of three kids yesterday and she
02:42:15she was in tears. And she just, she simply looked at me and she
02:42:18said
02:42:20if it was going to be this or gas in my car or maybe less
02:42:23food on my table and a little girl,
02:42:25her backpack. And she dropped to the knees and said,
02:42:29this is so beautiful. And that's why we're here doing
02:42:32what we do because we love helping people. As the new
02:42:35school year inches closer, the organizations are still
02:42:39welcoming monetary and physical donations to help support those
02:42:43who need it most. Selena Alders, CBC News, Halifax.
02:42:48Now to some breaking news. Are you
02:42:50World News fast? We're gathering at one of those
02:42:53turning points in history, but a headline isn't the whole
02:42:56story. Get the facts that matter. Why is that your focus
02:42:58right now? From the source, you can trust the National Canada's Newscast.
02:45:03As another tariff deadline looms,
02:45:05this Abbotsford business owner is worried it poses an
02:45:09existential threat to my business. On any given month,
02:45:12I shipped 25 to 50% of my sales to United States.
02:45:19Blaine Marini's business manufacturers wallpaper,
02:45:22stickers and decals. His products are among nearly $28
02:45:25billion worth of Canadian goods the US is threatening to slap
02:45:2950% tariffs on come Wednesday. I have to either adapt or it'll
02:45:32mean changes to the way I do business here,
02:45:35which could include staff changes,
02:45:39even fast to ship orders before the tariff deadline. It
02:45:42actually has been overwhelming. I think about it every day.
02:45:45International tensions causing major concerns,
02:45:48especially for local businesses here in Abbotsford with its
02:45:51close cross-border ties, manufacturing and agriculture.
02:45:54We've got more than 300 businesses that are exporting
02:45:57to the United States. There's about a $1.5 billion in annual
02:46:01exports just out of Abbotsford alone. Mitchell says many of
02:46:04those exporters are up to 90% reliant on the US market. When
02:46:08there's this constantly
02:46:09changing tariff landscape, it's very challenging for
02:46:12customers and suppliers to continue to maintain those
02:46:15excellent trading relationships. the US claims it's imposing the
02:46:19tariffs because of Canadian discrimination toward its
02:46:21automobile, dairy and alcohol sectors. For
02:46:24example, it wants US liquor back on the
02:46:26shelves A provincially run stores. Ottawa is still pushing
02:46:29for an agreement with Washington. A key priority is
02:46:32to have Trump lower existing sectorial tariffs that have
02:46:35been punishing the steel, aluminum,
02:46:37auto and lumber industries. So a lot of companies are already
02:46:40dealing with this, where they've had to do layoffs,
02:46:43restructuring, unknown if they're going to be
02:46:46able to to survive, you know, this next, you know,
02:46:49wave that we're dealing with. Canada's Prime Minister is
02:46:52expected to speak to Trump in the next 48 hours,
02:46:55leaving business owners at the mercy of ongoing negotiations
02:46:59beneath breach. CBC News, Abbotsford.
02:47:03Now, American tariffs are most often paid by American consumers, but of course,
02:47:07they cut into the sales of both Canadian and American
02:47:10businesses. Look South of the border. The Howard family
02:47:13designs a custom furniture company in Michigan. It relies
02:47:16on Canadian lumber. As prices for their supplies go up,
02:47:20it's their customers who are struggling to absorb sudden
02:47:23added costs and the loss of business forces that company to
02:47:27make hard decisions. Michael Howard runs it. He joins us now
02:47:37the prospect of yet more tariffs again tomorrow morning.
02:47:40What, what would that mean in the
02:47:42grand scheme of things for you?
02:47:46It it means that provide for my family is going to be more
02:47:50challenging with the looming tariffs. We know we've already
02:47:54lost one potential project for a hospital that we were going
02:47:58to build some desk and furniture for. And 50% tariff
02:48:02will put it well beyond their range of affordability. So walk
02:48:06that through for me, because it's not just that it's
02:48:10becoming too expensive, it, it is that you are losing
02:48:14business. So this this desk for instance, are these deaths to produce
02:48:18because of the tariffs? It would just get too expensive
02:48:20for the customer themselves,
02:48:24correct? So we we can't absorb the
02:48:26increase in cost. And so knowing these tariffs were
02:48:29coming in place, I had to follow up with several
02:48:32of my clients and let them know one person's getting a kitchen
02:48:36done. We're building their kitchen cabinets which use
02:48:39softwood lumber that does come from Canada and in terms of
02:48:43plywood and, and they're willing to absorb
02:48:45the extra cost. This other client was not. And so we're
02:48:49going to lose about $3000 of profit just for this one client
02:48:52because they're not willing to absorb the increased,
02:48:55I'll say I the president's tariffs is gonna place. And so
02:48:59you have to absorb it,
02:49:03either have to absorb it or pass it along to the customer.
02:49:06And because we're such a small company,
02:49:08it's like we don't have the means to just absorb the
02:49:11increased cost. It would be too harsh for us. We can't afford
02:49:15it. And so we'd have to pass it along. I've already had to,
02:49:18I've already lost the staff member because we the decrease
02:49:21in business. You've had to let people go because this is
02:49:24impacting your bottom line.
02:49:27Unfortunately, yes, I have. You know, if,
02:49:29if the US president, if you were president was on in
02:49:32this conversation with us, he would probably say, well,
02:49:35why don't you use American lumber instead?
02:49:37So I'd put that to you, what what is the benefit of
02:49:39Canadian lumber
02:49:43that you guys have it The we do not have the capacity for
02:49:47lumber or aluminum, it's to meet the need. And we
02:49:50know when the demand is high and the supply is low that
02:49:54drives up the cost is like basic like you know,
02:49:58middle school economics. You guys have the lumber. We get
02:50:02about 70% of our softwood lumber from Canada. We can't
02:50:06even imagine building a a lumber mill to bring a lumber
02:50:10mill online in time.
02:50:12It's just nearly impossible. It takes years to bring a lumber
02:50:15mill online and it will decimate our forests. Whereas
02:50:18we have a great relationship with Canada or at least had one.
02:50:21And that partnership is so meaningful in regards of the
02:50:24lumber industry had you guys have the supply that we. Yeah,
02:50:27sorry, I don't mean Michael to cut you
02:50:29off, but I do wonder, was tariffs a word that was
02:50:32even spoken inside your business a few years ago?
02:50:36Absolutely not. As a small business owner,
02:50:38there are so many challenges in life when you're running a
02:50:42family owned business and our our business really does pride
02:50:45itself on giving back to the community. So outside of
02:50:48running a business, our main conversation is how
02:50:51can we pour back into our community. Now we're having our
02:50:54conversation outside of running our business is global
02:50:58economics and how are terrorists going to impact our
02:51:01customers, impact our staff members and
02:51:03impact our ability to provide for our families?
02:51:06Michael, look, you're not far from the border,
02:51:08but here we are north of the border. It's the top story
02:51:11today. It's probably gonna be the top story nationally
02:51:13tomorrow. People are talking about it. People are worried
02:51:16about it, a lot of businesses. And yet South of the border, it's it's barely making the
02:51:20news. It doesn't seem like people are talking about it. If
02:51:23they are, it's quiet lobbying, like the automakers are doing
02:51:26quiet lobbying of the White House. Few people are saying it
02:51:29out loud. Why do you think that is?
02:51:32I unfortunately, I think it is genuine fear. The,
02:51:35the reality is it is Congress's job to levy taxes and tariffs.
02:51:40And we have a president that is operating outside,
02:51:43in my opinion, outside of his means,
02:51:46and no one's really holding him accountable. And it's
02:51:49negatively impacting businesses like myself,
02:51:52but businesses across the US and across the border. And so I
02:51:56think there's a fear of if I speak out,
02:51:59I'll get retaliated against in regards to
02:52:02lobbyists and, and people that would normally
02:52:04be discussing this or news outlets,
02:52:06especially news outlets. We have seen that if a news outlet
02:52:09speaks out, they will be punished. But the
02:52:12reality is they're not speaking out on behalf of that news
02:52:15outlet. They're speaking out depending families like mine.
02:52:18And you know, school is about to get started
02:52:20soon. And so like, we're going to need paper for
02:52:23our kids and we're going to need school supplies and
02:52:26pencils and all those things are impacted by the lumber
02:52:29industry. And a 50% tariff on lumber will make it just simply
02:52:32make it harder for parents
02:52:33have 4 kids. It'll make it harder for us to be able to buy
02:52:36school supplies. It would be harder for teachers that are
02:52:39already underpaid, under supplied,
02:52:41and now they're going to have to come out of their pockets
02:52:44even more. It'll make it harder for business owners like me. So
02:52:47life in general is going to be very difficult. I think people
02:52:50aren't speaking out out of fear. If you're right. If it is that
02:52:53people aren't speaking out of fear,
02:52:55you're speaking out right now,
02:52:58does that mean you're not scared?
02:53:01No, no, I'm not. I, I think it is our job to,
02:53:04to speak up when we see a injustice and what's going on
02:53:08is, is injustice and it's not, it's,
02:53:10it's harming our community. And so when we see harm,
02:53:14we have to speak out. These terrorists were initially
02:53:18allegedly put in place because of
02:53:21theory about explicit drugs coming into America,
02:53:24and then it was a retaliation. And now there's another
02:53:28explanation, another explanation. And and
02:53:30it's like we want to support American businesses,
02:53:33so we place these tariffs and this is doing the exact
02:53:37opposite. Some businesses and our county have had to close
02:53:40because they rely on Canadian aluminum and they're having to
02:53:44close because of these tariffs and over the last couple years,
02:53:48not just now.
02:53:50All right, Michael Howard, thank you very much.
02:53:53Thank you so much.
02:59:49Hi there Canada, my favorite word.
02:59:52Tariff. We're already hearing about layoffs.
02:59:56So you have questions? How seriously are you taking this threat?
02:59:59How is Hamilton bracing for tariff impact?
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