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00:00:00FOR THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR US. US. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
00:00:03>> THANKS FOR HAVING US. >> LEISURE TO BE HERE.
00:00:07>> LEISURE TO BE HERE. >> LET'S START WITH OTTAWA
00:00:08>> LET'S START WITH OTTAWA ANNOUNCING THE FORMATION OF THIS
00:00:11ANNOUNCING THE FORMATION OF THIS 13 MEMBER NATIONAL COUNCIL ON 13 MEMBER NATIONAL COUNCIL ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
00:00:14ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. IT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE GUIDANCE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO PROVIDE THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT
00:00:17TO PROVIDE THOSE GUARDRAILS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH
00:00:22HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT SO MUCH RECENTLY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE RECENTLY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITIES. OPPORTUNITIES. LET'S START WITH YOU, VERY.
00:00:25LET'S START WITH YOU, VERY. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?
00:00:28WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? WILL DO ENOUGH TO TACKLE SOME OF
00:00:30WILL DO ENOUGH TO TACKLE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE
00:00:33THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE HEARING FROM SOME OF THE TOP
00:00:35HEARING FROM SOME OF THE TOP A.I. EXPERTS IN THE WORLD?
00:00:38A.I. EXPERTS IN THE WORLD? >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PANEL. >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD PANEL. I DO NOTICE LIVING HERE IN
00:00:42I DO NOTICE LIVING HERE IN VANCOUVER THAT THERE IS
00:00:44VANCOUVER THAT THERE IS BASICALLY NOBODY FROM WEST OF
00:00:48BASICALLY NOBODY FROM WEST OF ONTARIO.
00:00:52ONTARIO. I THINK BRITISH COLUMBIA GETS I THINK BRITISH COLUMBIA GETS SOME REPRESENTATION.
00:00:55SOME REPRESENTATION. THE REAL QUESTION IS THE EXTENT THE REAL QUESTION IS THE EXTENT OF WHICH THEY ARE ANYTHING MORE
00:00:58OF WHICH THEY ARE ANYTHING MORE THAN JUST AN ADVISING BODY AND THAN JUST AN ADVISING BODY AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE THEY HAVE AND
00:01:01HOW MUCH INFLUENCE THEY HAVE AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE CONTROL THEY HOW MUCH INFLUENCE CONTROL THEY HAVE.
00:01:05HAVE. I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT I GUESS WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THEIR RIGHTS AND
00:01:08THEIR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS REALLY ARE. REALLY ARE. >> Deana: WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT
00:01:12>> Deana: WHAT IS YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT?
00:01:13ON THAT? >> IT IS CERTAINLY AN ADVISOR
00:01:17>> IT IS CERTAINLY AN ADVISOR BODY. BODY. I AM STRUCK BY HOW INDUSTRY I AM STRUCK BY HOW INDUSTRY ORIENTED THEY ARE.
00:01:21ORIENTED THEY ARE. THEY HAVE HAD BOSSES AND GROUPS
00:01:24THEY HAVE HAD BOSSES AND GROUPS OF ADVISORS ON A.I.
00:01:26OF ADVISORS ON A.I. THEY WERE ADVISING THE
00:01:28THEY WERE ADVISING THE INNOVATION MINISTER AND THIS ONE
00:01:30INNOVATION MINISTER AND THIS ONE IS SET UP TO ADVISE THE PRIME IS SET UP TO ADVISE THE PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF.
00:01:34MINISTER HIMSELF. I DON'T IMAGINE HE WILL BE AT
00:01:35I DON'T IMAGINE HE WILL BE AT EVERY MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THE
00:01:38EVERY MEETING, BUT I'M SURE THE OFFICIALS WILL BE TAKING NOTE OF OFFICIALS WILL BE TAKING NOTE OF THESE THINGS.
00:01:41THESE THINGS. OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THEIR,
00:01:42OF THE PEOPLE YOU HAVE ON THEIR, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING
00:01:45YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING A.I. COMPANIES LIKE ONE WHO JUST A.I. COMPANIES LIKE ONE WHO JUST STARTED A COMPANY.
00:01:49STARTED A COMPANY. YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JORDAN
00:01:51YOU HAVE PEOPLE LIKE JORDAN JACOBS AND JOHN GRAHAM WHO FUND
00:01:55JACOBS AND JOHN GRAHAM WHO FUND THE COMPANY WEEKEND THIS
00:01:59THE COMPANY WEEKEND THIS PROFESSOR WHO ADVISES ON A WIDE PROFESSOR WHO ADVISES ON A WIDE RANGE OF COMPANIES, INCLUDING
00:02:02RANGE OF COMPANIES, INCLUDING THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, IS THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT, IS QUITE SAFETY FOCUSED.
00:02:06QUITE SAFETY FOCUSED. THIS IS A VERY ADOPTED AND
00:02:08THIS IS A VERY ADOPTED AND INDUSTRY HAVEL -- INDUSTRY HEAVY
00:02:12INDUSTRY HAVEL -- INDUSTRY HEAVY PANEL. PANEL. >> Deana: EMILY, WHEN YOU SEE
00:02:15>> Deana: EMILY, WHEN YOU SEE THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
00:02:16THIS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? KEEPING IN MIND WHAT HE JUST
00:02:19MENTIONED THAT IT SEEMS TO BE MORE FOCUSED TOWARD DIVIDING
00:02:21MORE FOCUSED TOWARD DIVIDING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME FROM OPPORTUNITIES COMING TO
00:02:25FROM OPPORTUNITIES COMING TO CANADA, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS
00:02:28CANADA, MAYBE NOT QUITE AS FOCUSED FOCUS ON PROVIDING FOCUSED FOCUS ON PROVIDING GUARDRAILS.
00:02:31GUARDRAILS. YOUR YOU -- YOU ARE A YOUR YOU -- YOU ARE A COMPUTATIONAL LINGUIST.
00:02:33COMPUTATIONAL LINGUIST. WHERE IT IS DOES YOUR GREATEST
00:02:35WHERE IT IS DOES YOUR GREATEST AREA OF CONCERN LIE RIGHT NOW?
00:02:38AREA OF CONCERN LIE RIGHT NOW? >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT >> I AM CONCERNED ABOUT POLICYMAKERS BEING DISTRACTED
00:02:42POLICYMAKERS BEING DISTRACTED ABOUT THESE FANTASIES OF A.I. ABOUT THESE FANTASIES OF A.I. SYSTEMS COMBUSTING INTO SYSTEMS COMBUSTING INTO CONSCIOUSNESS AND KILLING US
00:02:46CONSCIOUSNESS AND KILLING US ALL. ALL. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CALL -- FOR IT IS IMPORTANT FOR CALL -- FOR POLICY MEASURES TO BE ADVISED BY
00:02:50POLICY MEASURES TO BE ADVISED BY THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PANEL THE COMPOSITION OF THIS PANEL SOUNDS LIKE IT IS PEOPLE WITH
00:02:53SOUNDS LIKE IT IS PEOPLE WITH VESTED INTERESTS. VESTED INTERESTS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN
00:02:57THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HAVE BEEN LOBBYING, OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE LOBBYING, OUR GOVERNMENT AND THE U.S., AND AROUND THE WORLD TO
00:03:01U.S., AND AROUND THE WORLD TO TREAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS TREAT THIS TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND THEREFORE
00:03:04SOMETHING SPECIAL, AND THEREFORE DIFFICULT TO REGULATE, AS DIFFICULT TO REGULATE, AS OPPOSED TO JUST WORKING AT A
00:03:08OPPOSED TO JUST WORKING AT A BUSINESS THAT SHOULD BE
00:03:09BUSINESS THAT SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO ALL OF THE EXISTING
00:03:14REGULATIONS ABOUT DEFECTIVE PRODUCTS AND LIABILITY, PRODUCTS AND LIABILITY, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND OTHER
00:03:18ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND OTHER SORTS OF EXTERNALITIES. SORTS OF EXTERNALITIES. WE MIGHT NEED SOME NEW CHELATION
00:03:22WE MIGHT NEED SOME NEW CHELATION HIS BUT I AM AFRAID THIS KIND OF
00:03:23HIS BUT I AM AFRAID THIS KIND OF PANEL WILL MISDIRECT.
00:03:26PANEL WILL MISDIRECT. >> Deana: SPEAKING OF OUR PANEL >> Deana: SPEAKING OF OUR PANEL THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, I WANT
00:03:29THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, I WANT TO SHIFT OUR ATTENTION TO TO SHIFT OUR ATTENTION TO LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES LIBRARY AND
00:03:33LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES CANADA.
00:03:36THEY SPARKED HEADLINES SAYING YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ROGUE
00:03:37YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ROGUE A.I. HACKING NETWORKS.
00:03:41A.I. HACKING NETWORKS. THIS IS A LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES
00:03:43THIS IS A LIBRARY AND ARCHIVES CANADA SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT CANADA SO IT IS AN IMPORTANT DATABASE.
00:03:46DATABASE. HAVE HEARD OF SIMILAR INTRUSIONS HAVE HEARD OF SIMILAR INTRUSIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF
00:03:50FROM THE GOVERNMENT OF AUSTRALIA, FOR EXAMPLE,, U.S. AUSTRALIA, FOR EXAMPLE,, U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE ALSO
00:03:53GOVERNMENT AGENCIES HAVE ALSO REPORTED SIMILAR THINGS. REPORTED SIMILAR THINGS. GARY, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, I
00:03:56GARY, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, I JUST FIND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE JUST FIND WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE IT GETS PEOPLE SO NERVOUS AND SO
00:04:00IT GETS PEOPLE SO NERVOUS AND SO ANXIOUS THAT IF A SYSTEM THAT
00:04:02ANXIOUS THAT IF A SYSTEM THAT SHOULD BE THIS SECURE IS LIABLE
00:04:05SHOULD BE THIS SECURE IS LIABLE TO BEING ATTACKED, THAN WHAT TO BEING ATTACKED, THAN WHAT CHANCE DO REGULAR FOLKS HAVE OR
00:04:09CHANCE DO REGULAR FOLKS HAVE OR SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO ON?
00:04:10SMALL BUSINESSES AND SO ON? SHOULD PEOPLE BE VERY NERVOUS
00:04:14SHOULD PEOPLE BE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT THIS? ABOUT THIS? ABOUT ROGUE A.I. BASICALLY DOING ABOUT ROGUE A.I. BASICALLY DOING WHAT ITS DESIGNERS DO NOT WANT
00:04:18WHAT ITS DESIGNERS DO NOT WANT IT TO DO?
00:04:21IT TO DO? >> I WISH WE WOULD CALL IT >> I WISH WE WOULD CALL IT SLOPPY A.I. RATHER THAN ROGUE
00:04:24SLOPPY A.I. RATHER THAN ROGUE A.I. A.I. I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS INTENT.
00:04:28I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS INTENT. I THINK CALLING IT ROGUE A.I. I THINK CALLING IT ROGUE A.I. ANTHROPOMORPHIZE IS IT.
00:04:31ANTHROPOMORPHIZE IS IT. OPEN A.I. DID SOMETHING THAT WE
00:04:34OPEN A.I. DID SOMETHING THAT WE KNEW WOULD BE DANGEROUS. KNEW WOULD BE DANGEROUS. I WARNED ABOUT IT IN TWITTER AND
00:04:37I WARNED ABOUT IT IN TWITTER AND ON MY SUB STACK AND SO FORTH.
00:04:40ON MY SUB STACK AND SO FORTH. IS TO BUILD AGENTS AGO OUT ONTO
00:04:42IS TO BUILD AGENTS AGO OUT ONTO THE INTERNET UNCONSTRAINED WITH THE INTERNET UNCONSTRAINED WITH PASSWORDS AND THE ABILITY TO
00:04:45PASSWORDS AND THE ABILITY TO STEAL CREDENTIALS BASICALLY AND STEAL CREDENTIALS BASICALLY AND BREAK INTO THINGS.
00:04:48BREAK INTO THINGS. IT WAS A BAD IDEA FROM THE IT WAS A BAD IDEA FROM THE JUMP. JUMP. OPEN A.I. WENT AHEAD AND DID
00:04:53OPEN A.I. WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. IT. IT IS THEIR SOFTWARE WHO THERE IT IS THEIR SOFTWARE WHO THERE SOFTWARE WHO IS DOING IT.
00:04:56SOFTWARE WHO IS DOING IT. THEY SHOULD TAKE THEY SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. RESPONSIBILITY. CALLING IT ROGUE AGENTS IS LIKE
00:05:00CALLING IT ROGUE AGENTS IS LIKE THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAVE NO THEY ARE SAYING THEY HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY.
00:05:03RESPONSIBILITY. A BUILT THIS SOFTWARE WHICH A BUILT THIS SOFTWARE WHICH RENEW VIOLATED CYBERSECURITY
00:05:06RENEW VIOLATED CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES THAT ARE STANDARD. PRACTICES THAT ARE STANDARD. MAYHEM HAS BEEN A RESULT.
00:05:10MAYHEM HAS BEEN A RESULT. WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS NOT WHAT WE SHOULD DO HERE IS NOT PANIC ABOUT EXTINCTION.
00:05:13PANIC ABOUT EXTINCTION. I AM WITH PROFESSOR BENDER ABOUT
00:05:17I AM WITH PROFESSOR BENDER ABOUT THAT, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT THAT, BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT MORE.
00:05:20MORE. WE SHOULD INSIST THAT THESE WE SHOULD INSIST THAT THESE COMPANIES BUILD BETTER
00:05:23COMPANIES BUILD BETTER CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES AND WE CYBERSECURITY PRACTICES AND WE SHOULD RECALL THE PRODUCT UNTIL SHOULD RECALL THE PRODUCT UNTIL THEY FIX IT.
00:05:27THEY FIX IT. THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE IT UNDER GOOD
00:05:31THEY DON'T HAVE IT UNDER GOOD CONTROL AND THEY SHOULD BE CONTROL AND THEY SHOULD BE OBLIGATED TO FIX IT OR TAKE IT OBLIGATED TO FIX IT OR TAKE IT OFF THE MARKET.
00:05:35OFF THE MARKET. >> Deana: YOU GUYS MADE A VERY >> Deana: YOU GUYS MADE A VERY INTERESTING POINT.
00:05:38INTERESTING POINT. WE ANTHROPOMORPHIZED IT AND VIEW
00:05:42WE ANTHROPOMORPHIZED IT AND VIEW IT AS HAVING HUMANLIKE IT AS HAVING HUMANLIKE QUALITIES. QUALITIES. WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY TACKLING THE
00:05:46WE ARE NOT ACTUALLY TACKLING THE PROBLEM. PROBLEM. WE SHOULD TACKLE IT LIKE A WE SHOULD TACKLE IT LIKE A FAULTY PHONE.
00:05:49FAULTY PHONE. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON I WANT TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS.
00:05:53THIS. WE KNOW THAT TOP A.I. DEVELOPERS
00:05:55WE KNOW THAT TOP A.I. DEVELOPERS LIKE OPEN A.I. AND ANTHROPIC
00:05:58LIKE OPEN A.I. AND ANTHROPIC HAVE SUGGESTED MAYBE FINDING A HAVE SUGGESTED MAYBE FINDING A THIRD-PARTY, A REGULATOR THAT
00:06:01THIRD-PARTY, A REGULATOR THAT WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING
00:06:04WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF MAKING SURE THAT A.I. DOES NOT GO
00:06:09SURE THAT A.I. DOES NOT GO ROGUE, SO TO SPEAK. ROGUE, SO TO SPEAK. WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT
00:06:13APPROACH? >> I WANT TO VERY QUICKLY PUT
00:06:14>> I WANT TO VERY QUICKLY PUT THIS IN CONTEXT.
00:06:18THIS IN CONTEXT. DOES INCLUDE A FATAL ATTEMPT TO DOES INCLUDE A FATAL ATTEMPT TO GET ACCESS TO DIVORCE RECORDS
00:06:22GET ACCESS TO DIVORCE RECORDS FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS FROM THE FOR ABOUT FOUR YEARS FROM THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
00:06:25EARLY 19 HUNDREDS. NOT HIGHLY SENSITIVE NOT HIGHLY SENSITIVE INFORMATION.
00:06:29INFORMATION. >> Deana: WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I >> Deana: WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I SEE YOUR POINT. SEE YOUR POINT. >> I IMAGINE EVERYONE IN THOSE
00:06:33>> I IMAGINE EVERYONE IN THOSE RECORDS IS PROBABLY DEAD NOW, RECORDS IS PROBABLY DEAD NOW, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE SERIOUS
00:06:37BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE SERIOUS CASES. CASES. WHICH IS SO CANADIANS DON'T FEEL WHICH IS SO CANADIANS DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS A CYBER THREAT
00:06:41LIKE THERE IS A CYBER THREAT THEY ARE UNAWARE OF.
00:06:44THEY ARE UNAWARE OF. THIRD-PARTY AUDIT IS A VERY THIRD-PARTY AUDIT IS A VERY INTERESTING QUESTION FOR TWO
00:06:46INTERESTING QUESTION FOR TWO REASONS. REASONS. ONE, THERE HAS BEEN A BACKLASH
00:06:50ONE, THERE HAS BEEN A BACKLASH FOR SMALLER A.I. COMPANIES WHO
00:06:53FOR SMALLER A.I. COMPANIES WHO SUGGEST THAT THE IMPOSITION OF
00:06:55SUGGEST THAT THE IMPOSITION OF THIRD-PARTY RULES THAT IS
00:06:57THIRD-PARTY RULES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR OPEN A.I. OR
00:07:00DESIGNED FOR OPEN A.I. OR ANTHROPIC PRESENTS A BARRIER OF
00:07:01ANTHROPIC PRESENTS A BARRIER OF COMPETITION BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE
00:07:04COMPETITION BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO BRING IN AUDITORS AND PAY FOR TO BRING IN AUDITORS AND PAY FOR AUDITORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS
00:07:08AUDITORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT IS AN EXPENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO AN EXPENSE THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERGO. UNDERGO. THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT IN
00:07:12THE SECOND PART OF IT IS THAT IN THIS MOST NOTABLE HACKING THIS MOST NOTABLE HACKING INCIDENT, THE ONE THAT KICKED US
00:07:15INCIDENT, THE ONE THAT KICKED US OFF ON ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS
00:07:17OFF ON ALL OF THIS, WHICH IS OPEN A.I. AGENTS HACKING INTO A
00:07:21OPEN A.I. AGENTS HACKING INTO A PLATFORM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY
00:07:24PLATFORM A FEW MONTHS AGO, THEY DID BRING IN THIRD-PARTY DID BRING IN THIRD-PARTY ORGANIZATIONS TO CONDUCT A
00:07:27ORGANIZATIONS TO CONDUCT A REVIEW, AND PUBLISHED A REPORT.
00:07:30REVIEW, AND PUBLISHED A REPORT. BUT THEY ACTUALLY USED OPEN
00:07:34BUT THEY ACTUALLY USED OPEN A.I.'S TOOLS TO CONDUCT THEIR A.I.'S TOOLS TO CONDUCT THEIR INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THE
00:07:37INVESTIGATIONS BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF CODE THEY WOULD HAVE AMOUNT OF CODE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT
00:07:40TO REVIEW TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT ON, THESE 30 PARTY WENT ON, THESE 30 PARTY ORGANIZATIONS SAY WOULD NOT BE
00:07:43ORGANIZATIONS SAY WOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE.
00:07:44POSSIBLE. THAT CREATES A LOOP WHERE,
00:07:48THAT CREATES A LOOP WHERE, ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANIES THAT ESSENTIALLY THE COMPANIES THAT ARE BEING AUDITED CONTROL THE
00:07:52ARE BEING AUDITED CONTROL THE RESOURCES REQUIRED TO AUDIT
00:07:54RESOURCES REQUIRED TO AUDIT THEM, AND THE INFORMATION
00:07:57REQUIRED TO AUDIT THEM. AND THE THIRD PARTY AND THE THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATIONS DON'T NECESSARILY
00:08:00ORGANIZATIONS DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. HAVE THE FORCE OF LAW. THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES
00:08:03THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES WITH THIS PROPOSAL WHICH HAS NOT
00:08:05WITH THIS PROPOSAL WHICH HAS NOT BEEN FLESHED OUT SIGNIFICANTLY.
00:08:10BEEN FLESHED OUT SIGNIFICANTLY. >> Deana: EMILY, WHERE DO YOU >> Deana: EMILY, WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT?
00:08:13STAND ON THAT? WATCHING THE SPEECHES AT THE WATCHING THE SPEECHES AT THE UNITED NATIONS LAST WEEKEND, YOU
00:08:16UNITED NATIONS LAST WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE KNOW, I WASN'T PRIVY TO THE SPECIALIZED ONES HAVING TO DO
00:08:19SPECIALIZED ONES HAVING TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH A.I. SPECIFICALLY WITH A.I. REGULATION. REGULATION. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO
00:08:23IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S NO CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING WHEN IT CONSENSUS ON ANYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNITED NATIONS COMES TO THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
00:08:27GENERAL ASSEMBLY. WITH THAT WE THE PLACE TO
00:08:30WITH THAT WE THE PLACE TO ENFORCE SOME SORT OF ENFORCE SOME SORT OF INTERNATIONAL GUARDRAILS THAT
00:08:33INTERNATIONAL GUARDRAILS THAT WOULD BE APPLIED ACROSS EVERY WOULD BE APPLIED ACROSS EVERY COUNTRY THAT HAS A.I.
00:08:37COUNTRY THAT HAS A.I. COMPANIES? COMPANIES? SHOULD THAT ENFORCEMENT COME
00:08:39SHOULD THAT ENFORCEMENT COME FROM ANOTHER PLACE? FROM ANOTHER PLACE? >> I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR
00:08:42>> I AGREE WITH PROFESSOR MARCUS. MARCUS. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL.
00:08:45YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. THIS IS NOT AN INSTANCE OF A.I.
00:08:48THIS IS NOT AN INSTANCE OF A.I. MODELS GOING ROGUE AND DOING MODELS GOING ROGUE AND DOING SOMETHING.
00:08:52SOMETHING. THAT IS NOT ON ACCURATE WAY TO THAT IS NOT ON ACCURATE WAY TO DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS.
00:08:54DESCRIBE WHAT HAPPENS. WHAT HAPPENED IS OPEN A.I. AND WHAT HAPPENED IS OPEN A.I. AND THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN BUILDING
00:08:57THE OTHERS HAVE BEEN BUILDING AND RUNNING MALWARE.
00:09:00AND RUNNING MALWARE. WHEN THEY DESCRIBE IT LIKE THAT,
00:09:02WHEN THEY DESCRIBE IT LIKE THAT, THEY ARE TRYING TO DODGE
00:09:06THEY ARE TRYING TO DODGE ACCOUNTABILITY. ACCOUNTABILITY. DOING REGULATION FOR THIS IS A
00:09:09DOING REGULATION FOR THIS IS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR FOR ME. LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR FOR ME. THE KIND OF THING YOU WOULD WANT
00:09:13THE KIND OF THING YOU WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION FOR
00:09:16HAVE TO DO WITH PEOPLE USING SOFTWARE THAT CAN VENERATE SOFTWARE THAT CAN VENERATE PLAUSIBLE LOOKING TEXT IN MANY
00:09:19PLAUSIBLE LOOKING TEXT IN MANY LANGUAGES TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS LANGUAGES TO MEDDLE IN POLITICS AND OTHER COUNTRIES.
00:09:23AND OTHER COUNTRIES. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COURTS WOULD WANT INTERNATIONAL COURTS FOR.
00:09:26FOR. BUT THE STUFF ABOUT THESE MODELS
00:09:29BUT THE STUFF ABOUT THESE MODELS ABOUT TO JUST TAKE OVER THE ABOUT TO JUST TAKE OVER THE WORLD IS A FANTASY.
00:09:32WORLD IS A FANTASY. IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE EVEN THE
00:09:34IT IS REALLY SAD TO SEE EVEN THE U.N. BEING DISTRACTED BY IT.
00:09:40U.N. BEING DISTRACTED BY IT. >> Deana: I AM AN EDUCATION >> Deana: I AM AN EDUCATION REPORTER, THAT IS MY OTHER HAT
00:09:43REPORTER, THAT IS MY OTHER HAT THAT I WEAR. WHERE. THAT I WEAR. WHERE. I TALKED TO A LOT OF EDUCATORS
00:09:46I TALKED TO A LOT OF EDUCATORS AND A LOT OF PARENTS.
00:09:48AND A LOT OF PARENTS. AS WE KEEP HAVING THIS AS WE KEEP HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, THE YOUNGEST
00:09:52CONVERSATION, THE YOUNGEST PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE KEENEST
00:09:53PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS THE KEENEST ADOPTERS TO THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND
00:09:58ADOPTERS TO THEIR TECHNOLOGY AND TO DO THEIR POSTSECONDARY WORK.
00:09:59TO DO THEIR POSTSECONDARY WORK. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
00:10:09EVERYBODY IS FLYING BY THE SEAT OF THEIR PANTS AND THERE ISN'T
00:10:12OF THEIR PANTS AND THERE ISN'T REALLY CLEAR REGULATION WHEN IT REALLY CLEAR REGULATION WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE USE
00:10:15COMES TO WHAT IS APPROPRIATE USE AND WHAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE USE
00:10:17AND WHAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE USE OF A.I. OF A.I. >> WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE
00:10:21>> WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE REGULATION COMING IN AND REGULATION COMING IN AND STANDING UP FOR THE IMPORTANCE
00:10:24STANDING UP FOR THE IMPORTANCE OF LEARNING THAT IT IS DONE FOR OF LEARNING THAT IT IS DONE FOR PEOPLE BY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY
00:10:28PEOPLE BY PEOPLE WITHOUT ANY TECHNOLOGY AND CERTAINLY WITHOUT
00:10:29TECHNOLOGY AND CERTAINLY WITHOUT THIS SORT -- SYNTHETIC TEXT THIS SORT -- SYNTHETIC TEXT MACHINES.
00:10:33MACHINES. NORWAY MADE A BIG STRIDE IN THAT NORWAY MADE A BIG STRIDE IN THAT DIRECTION AND NEW YORK CITY MADE
00:10:36DIRECTION AND NEW YORK CITY MADE A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION.
00:10:39A BIG STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DAMAGE
00:10:42I THINK THERE HAS BEEN DAMAGE FROM THESE NARRATIVES OF FROM THESE NARRATIVES OF INEVITABILITY THAT COME FROM THE
00:10:44INEVITABILITY THAT COME FROM THE COMPANIES THAT SAY THIS IS THE COMPANIES THAT SAY THIS IS THE FUTURE, WE AREN'T PREPARING THE
00:10:47FUTURE, WE AREN'T PREPARING THE KIDS IF THEY AREN'T USING IT -- KIDS IF THEY AREN'T USING IT -- AREN'T LEARNING HOW TO USE IT.
00:10:51AREN'T LEARNING HOW TO USE IT. THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUR THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OUR FUTURE.
00:10:54FUTURE. IT IS HEARTENING TO SEE BOTH IT IS HEARTENING TO SEE BOTH EDUCATOR STANDING UP AND SAYING
00:10:57EDUCATOR STANDING UP AND SAYING WE DON'T -- WE ARE GOING TO DO WE DON'T -- WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR JOBS HERE.
00:11:00OUR JOBS HERE. OUR JOBS ARE TO BUILD LEARNING OUR JOBS ARE TO BUILD LEARNING COMMUNITIES AND OUR CLASSROOMS.
00:11:04COMMUNITIES AND OUR CLASSROOMS. AND YOU SAY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE AND YOU SAY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE ARE USUALLY THE KEENEST ADOPTERS
00:11:07ARE USUALLY THE KEENEST ADOPTERS OF TECHNOLOGY. OF TECHNOLOGY. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF
00:11:10THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF RESISTANCE TO ARTIFICIAL RESISTANCE TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE FROM TODAY'S HIGH
00:11:14INTELLIGENCE FROM TODAY'S HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STUDENTS,
00:11:16SCHOOL AND COLLEGE STUDENTS, WHICH IS ALSO HEARTENING.
00:11:18WHICH IS ALSO HEARTENING. >> Deana: I WANT TO ASK THE >> Deana: I WANT TO ASK THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU
00:11:22OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? THINK ABOUT THIS? THE KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS FOR
00:11:25THE KIND OF FINAL THOUGHTS FOR OUR VIEWERS.
00:11:26OUR VIEWERS. GARY, WHERE DO YOU STAND WHEN
00:11:29GARY, WHERE DO YOU STAND WHEN PEOPLE ARE HEARING SO MUCH DOOM
00:11:31PEOPLE ARE HEARING SO MUCH DOOM AND GLOOM AND THESE REALLY AND GLOOM AND THESE REALLY FRIGHTENING SCENARIOS, WE ARE
00:11:35FRIGHTENING SCENARIOS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENDS OF TALKING ABOUT THE ENDS OF CIVILIZATION AND BILLIONS OF
00:11:38CIVILIZATION AND BILLIONS OF PEOPLE DYING, THIS IS JUST THE
00:11:40PEOPLE DYING, THIS IS JUST THE NEWS FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
00:11:44NEWS FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS. HOW SHOULD REGULAR PEOPLE AND HOW SHOULD REGULAR PEOPLE AND LAYPEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE DEEP
00:11:47LAYPEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE DEEP KNOWLEDGE OF A.I. INTERPRET KNOWLEDGE OF A.I. INTERPRET THIS?
00:11:49THIS? >> WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT >> WE SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT EXTINCTION.
00:11:53EXTINCTION. WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED THAT.
00:11:54WE HAVE KIND OF COVERED THAT. WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT
00:11:58WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT DEMOCRACY. DEMOCRACY. THE ONLY WAY THESE COMPANIES CAN
00:12:01THE ONLY WAY THESE COMPANIES CAN MAKE MONEY IS TO BASICALLY TURN MAKE MONEY IS TO BASICALLY TURN THEIR TOOLS INTO SURVEILLANCE
00:12:05THEIR TOOLS INTO SURVEILLANCE TOOLS. TOOLS. THIS A LOT OF SIGNS THAT OPEN
00:12:07THIS A LOT OF SIGNS THAT OPEN A.I. IS TRYING TO DO THAT AND A.I. IS TRYING TO DO THAT AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM IN THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH THEM IN THAT DIRECTION.
00:12:11THAT DIRECTION. THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH MISINFORMATION AND WHOLESALE MISINFORMATION AND WHOLESALE THIS INFORMATION.
00:12:15THIS INFORMATION. THERE ARE THINGS TO WORRY THERE ARE THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT.
00:12:17ABOUT. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS DON'T WHAT I WOULD SAY IS DON'T PANIC.
00:12:20PANIC. IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. EVERYDAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE
00:12:23EVERYDAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE WORRIED THAT WE ARE GIVING TOO WORRIED THAT WE ARE GIVING TOO MUCH POWER TO THESE COMPANIES.
00:12:27MUCH POWER TO THESE COMPANIES. AND ADVISORY PANEL THAT IS HALF AND ADVISORY PANEL THAT IS HALF CORPORATE IS NOT WHAT WE NEED.
00:12:30CORPORATE IS NOT WHAT WE NEED. WE DO NEED A STRONG STANCE TO WE DO NEED A STRONG STANCE TO MAKE SURE THESE COMPANIES ARE
00:12:33MAKE SURE THESE COMPANIES ARE RESPONSIBLE TO THE HARMS THAT RESPONSIBLE TO THE HARMS THAT THEY ARE CLEARLY CAUSING
00:12:37THEY ARE CLEARLY CAUSING SOCIETY. SOCIETY. >> Reporter: HOW WORRIED SHOULD >> Reporter: HOW WORRIED SHOULD WE BE?
00:12:40WE BE? >> AS A REPORTER, I LEAVE THE
00:12:44>> AS A REPORTER, I LEAVE THE TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT TO
00:12:46TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT TO PROFESSORS THAT I SHARE THIS
00:12:50PROFESSORS THAT I SHARE THIS WITH AND TO SOME OF THE ONES WITH AND TO SOME OF THE ONES THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IN CANADA.
00:12:53THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IN CANADA. ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT IS
00:12:57ON AN INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT IS WORTH REMEMBERING THIS IS NOT WORTH REMEMBERING THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THERE HAS BEEN
00:13:00THE FIRST TIME THERE HAS BEEN THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXISTENTIAL RISK. EXISTENTIAL RISK. TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO
00:13:04TWO YEARS AGO, THREE YEARS AGO NOW I CAN REMEMBER LOTS OF
00:13:06NOW I CAN REMEMBER LOTS OF PEOPLE RING IN THE U.K. FOR NAI
00:13:09PEOPLE RING IN THE U.K. FOR NAI SAFETY SUMMIT WHEN CONCERNS
00:13:13SAFETY SUMMIT WHEN CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY WERE VERY ABOUT SAFETY WERE VERY HEIGHTENED AND THEN THEY FADED
00:13:16HEIGHTENED AND THEN THEY FADED AWAY AND THEY HAVE SORT OF AWAY AND THEY HAVE SORT OF CROPPED UP AGAIN.
00:13:19CROPPED UP AGAIN. IN THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE
00:13:21IN THE SAME WAY THAT PEOPLE THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE NEW
00:13:24THINK CRITICALLY ABOUT THE NEW STAKE OF THIS, IT IS CRITICAL DO
00:13:27STAKE OF THIS, IT IS CRITICAL DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEWS YOU
00:13:29YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEWS YOU CONSUME AND A.I. AND WHETHER HOW CONSUME AND A.I. AND WHETHER HOW MUCH OF THIS POPULATION OF THE
00:13:32MUCH OF THIS POPULATION OF THE PEOPLE BUILDING THE TECHNOLOGY
00:13:34PEOPLE BUILDING THE TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT.
00:13:38AND WHAT THEY REPRESENT. >> Deana: I WANTED TO THANK ALL >> Deana: I WANTED TO THANK ALL THREE OF YOU FOR PUTTING THIS
00:13:41THREE OF YOU FOR PUTTING THIS INTO CONTEXT FOR US AND FOR YOUR
00:13:45INTO CONTEXT FOR US AND FOR YOUR TIME.
00:13:48TIME. THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU.
00:15:54Well, as diesel prices continue to rise around the world, including in Canada,
00:15:57the G7 has agreed to coordinate a massive release from their
00:16:01strategic petroleum reserves.
00:16:04You know, the barrel, 100 million barrels,
00:16:07according to French President Emmanuel Macron,
00:16:10including a lot of diesel fuel to help push down those prices,
00:16:13which thanks to supply disruptions have soared since
00:16:17the Trump administration launched its ongoing war with
00:16:20Iran seven months ago.
00:16:22All right, for more on the move, let's bring in senior business
00:16:26correspondent Peter Armstrong. So, Peter,
00:16:28if the idea is to bring down the price of diesel,
00:16:30will it work? Maybe some a bit, right?
00:16:32But at the end of the day, the move here wasn't really to
00:16:35release all these reserves of oil or of diesel. This was
00:16:38fundamentally about preventing Trump from making good on that
00:16:42threat to ban
00:16:43diesel exports from the United States because that would have
00:16:46been hugely disruptive. That would have had all kinds of
00:16:49unintended consequences for the United States and the world.
00:16:53So Trump spoke about this at the White House. He said the
00:16:56export ban was never really on the table. I mean,
00:16:59so was it just a threat? Well, whether it was just a threat or
00:17:03something he was going to make good on,
00:17:05he can say it worked. It got done what he wanted to do. He
00:17:09could hold this up now and say, look,
00:17:11I made that happen. They're going to be making a major
00:17:14world contribution, and so are we. And we're not
00:17:17going to be doing the export ban. We're going to be doing
00:17:21what we're supposed to do. But I did ask.
00:17:24We're gonna have a lot of oil
00:17:26and all of this, Peter, helpful for a president looking
00:17:29for a story to tell with the coming midterms. The agreement,
00:17:32and I'm reading here, specifically says they'll front
00:17:35load substantial diesel releases over the next 20 days,
00:17:3820 days from now, smack dab on the eve of the US
00:17:46Armstrong, CBC's senior business correspondent.
00:17:50This image, taken from surveillance video
00:17:52at Legibly shows a tanker truck stealing diesel from a gas
00:17:56station near Olds. Employees at the Westview Co-op,
00:18:00about an hour north of Calgary, say the suspects got away with
00:18:04thousands of dollars worth of fuel. We have attracted a 7000
00:18:08liters of diesel fuel being pulled out of our tank in that
00:18:12one
00:18:13incident in about 20 minutes. I've never experienced any of
00:18:16this and I've I've been with the Coop for a lot of years and
00:18:20and multiple locations. RCMP are investigating. The Olds
00:18:24incident is the latest in a string of reported gas station
00:18:27thefts, including three in Calgary
00:18:29involving A tanker truck allegedly siphoning diesel from
00:18:33an underground tank in Olds. The images show a truck with a
00:18:37bright red cab and a long white tank,
00:18:39similar to the tanker caught on tape in the three incidents
00:18:43in Calgary. Police have not linked them,
00:18:45but the manager of the Olds gas station thinks it may be the
00:18:48same person or people responsible. It's definitely
00:18:51something looking into and it's a very serious thing that we're
00:18:55all looking at as to what we need to do to make sure that
00:18:58that doesn't happen again and that everyone's aware of it.
00:19:02Olds in Calgary Combined, more than 17,
00:19:04000 liters of diesel has been reported stolen in about 2 1/2
00:19:07weeks. Ted Henley, CBC News, Calgary.
00:19:18OVERSIGHT, INDIGENOUS OWNERSHIP AND HIRING.
00:19:22AND HIRING. >>> DRIVERS CAN EXPECT MORE >>> DRIVERS CAN EXPECT MORE STICKER SHOCK AT THE GAS PUMPS
00:19:25STICKER SHOCK AT THE GAS PUMPS IF THEY ARE FILLING UP TODAY.
00:19:26IF THEY ARE FILLING UP TODAY. GAS PRICES ARE TAKING A BIG JUMP
00:19:30GAS PRICES ARE TAKING A BIG JUMP THIS WEEKEND. THIS WEEKEND. DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU
00:19:33DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU COULD SEE AN INCREASE AS MUCH AS
00:19:35COULD SEE AN INCREASE AS MUCH AS 14 CENTS A LITRE TODAY.
00:19:3914 CENTS A LITRE TODAY. IT IS ONE OF THE SECOND INCREASE IT IS ONE OF THE SECOND INCREASE IN AS MANY DAYS.
00:19:42IN AS MANY DAYS. PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO DROP A PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO DROP A LITTLE TOMORROW.
00:19:44LITTLE TOMORROW. CONFLICT IN THE PERSIAN GULF IS
00:19:48CONFLICT IN THE PERSIAN GULF IS LARGELY TO BLAME AND AN LARGELY TO BLAME AND AN AGREEMENT IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE
00:19:52AGREEMENT IS EXPECTED TO REDUCE PRICES ON DIESEL FUEL BUT IT IS
00:19:54PRICES ON DIESEL FUEL BUT IT IS UNCLEAR JUST BY HOW MUCH.
00:19:58UNCLEAR JUST BY HOW MUCH. THE CANADIAN LOCAL AFFAIRS THE CANADIAN LOCAL AFFAIRS INSTITUTE EXPLAINS WHY WE ARE
00:20:02INSTITUTE EXPLAINS WHY WE ARE SEEING THESE INCREASES
00:20:09>> THERE ARE POSSIBLE IRANIAN STRIKES NOT JUST IN THE SHIPS
00:20:13STRIKES NOT JUST IN THE SHIPS THEMSELVES AND THEY THINK WE THEMSELVES AND THEY THINK WE HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT THERE WERE
00:20:17HAVE BEEN SEEING THAT THERE WERE A FEW TANKERS GETTING HIT JUST A FEW TANKERS GETTING HIT JUST EARLIER TODAY, BUT ALSO ON THE
00:20:20EARLIER TODAY, BUT ALSO ON THE OIL INFRASTRUCTURE ITS SELF.
00:20:24OIL INFRASTRUCTURE ITS SELF. SO THINGS LIKE REFINERIES, SO THINGS LIKE REFINERIES, PIPELINES, MAYBE EVEN UPSTREAM
00:20:28PIPELINES, MAYBE EVEN UPSTREAM FACILITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA AND
00:20:30FACILITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA AND THE UAE, QATAR AND ELSEWHERE.
00:20:35THE UAE, QATAR AND ELSEWHERE. BUT THESE PLACES COULD STILL BE
00:20:36BUT THESE PLACES COULD STILL BE HIT BY THE IRANIAN REGIME OR
00:20:41HIT BY THE IRANIAN REGIME OR AFFILIATED MILITIA IN IRAQ.
00:20:43AFFILIATED MILITIA IN IRAQ. THERE ARE STILL SOME RISKS.
00:20:46THERE ARE STILL SOME RISKS. THE TANKERS ARE BEING HELPED THE TANKERS ARE BEING HELPED ALONG BY THE U.S. MILITARY, BY
00:20:50ALONG BY THE U.S. MILITARY, BY THE U.S. NAVY, BUT THESE THE U.S. NAVY, BUT THESE FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THE
00:20:53FACILITIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT,
00:20:55GROUND ARE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT, IN MY MIND TO EFFECTIVELY
00:20:59IN MY MIND TO EFFECTIVELY PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION BECAUSE PROVIDE THAT PROTECTION BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST SITTING THERE ON
00:21:02THEY ARE JUST SITTING THERE ON THE GROUND AND CAN BE STRUCK BY THE GROUND AND CAN BE STRUCK BY VARIOUS MEANS.
00:21:06VARIOUS MEANS. >> Eli: THE PROBLEM IS THE >> Eli: THE PROBLEM IS THE CHALLENGE IS MUCH LARGER THAN
00:21:09CHALLENGE IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. EVEN WITH INCREASED FLOW OF
00:21:12EVEN WITH INCREASED FLOW OF SHIPPING TRAFFIC THERE'S ALSO SHIPPING TRAFFIC THERE'S ALSO THE INCREASED FLOW OF THE
00:21:15THE INCREASED FLOW OF THE PERCEPTION OF THAT RISK AND THE PERCEPTION OF THAT RISK AND THE LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THE
00:21:18LONG-TERM VIABILITY OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.
00:21:21ENTIRE SYSTEM. >> THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW
00:21:25>> THERE IS A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS WAR WILL EVENTUALLY END.
00:21:26THIS WAR WILL EVENTUALLY END. WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT
00:21:29WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT EXACTLY WHO WILL MAINTAIN
00:21:33EXACTLY WHO WILL MAINTAIN CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF
00:21:37CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. HORMUZ. IRAN IS UNDER ECONOMIC PRESSURE IRAN IS UNDER ECONOMIC PRESSURE FROM THE UNITED STATES BUT
00:21:41FROM THE UNITED STATES BUT THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF THERE'S ALSO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE UNITED STATES CAN
00:21:44WHETHER THE UNITED STATES CAN BRING ENOUGH MILITARY PRESSURE
00:21:45BRING ENOUGH MILITARY PRESSURE ON IRAN TO STOP WITH THESE ON IRAN TO STOP WITH THESE STRIKES.
00:21:49STRIKES. WE ARE STILL IN A LIMBO WE ARE STILL IN A LIMBO SITUATION WHERE NEITHER PARTY SITUATION WHERE NEITHER PARTY HAS THE UPPER HAND.
00:21:53HAS THE UPPER HAND. AND EITHER PARTY COULD ESCALATE
00:21:56AND EITHER PARTY COULD ESCALATE THINGS OR TRY TO GAIN MORE
00:21:59THINGS OR TRY TO GAIN MORE LEVERAGE OR TRY TO GAIN AN LEVERAGE OR TRY TO GAIN AN OFFRAMP HERE.
00:22:02OFFRAMP HERE. THERE ARE HUGE QUESTIONS ABOUT THERE ARE HUGE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND QUITE A
00:22:05WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND QUITE A BIT OF THIS IS ORIENTED AROUND BIT OF THIS IS ORIENTED AROUND THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS
00:22:09THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. IN THE UNITED STATES AS WELL. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK
00:22:13THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO THINK THE IRANIANS COULD DO MILITARY THE IRANIANS COULD DO MILITARY STRIKES TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON STRIKES TO PUT MORE PRESSURE ON THE MILITARY -
00:22:18My name is Corbin Giroux, I'm a compulsive gambler. At
00:22:22the last date that I placed a bet was April 17th. 202331 year
00:22:26old Corbin Giroux was the modern day gambling addict.
00:22:29Most of his betting done online and after Ontario opened up the
00:22:33market to private operators in 2022. Sports betting on sports
00:22:37that I don't even watch at times of the day that I
00:22:40shouldn't even be awake at. From there it segued into
00:22:44online blackjack and that was sort of like that's when it got
00:22:48as bad as it could
00:22:49gotten. Currently there are 49 operators in Ontario running 84
00:22:53gaming websites and October, which coincides with the NFL
00:22:56and NHL seasons and launch of the NBA season,
00:22:59is when they see a big spike in wagers. Now that we have highly
00:23:03regulated legal options available,
00:23:05there's taking people out of the Gray market and that alone
00:23:09has protected tremendous amount of people. But it didn't
00:23:12protect Giroux. And while 10s of billions are wagered each
00:23:16year now generating billions in revenue for Ontario, more
00:23:20people are seeking help. The province does have a digital
00:23:23tool that allows users to self exclude from online gambling
00:23:26sites. Creating this new commercial online market has
00:23:29really reduced the friction and increased the accessibility and
00:23:33we're seeing more and more people gambling and more and
00:23:36more people getting into real trouble with gambling.
00:23:39According to data from Connex Ontario,
00:23:41the province's mental health and addiction support
00:23:44organization, people presenting issues with
00:23:47online gambling has risen roughly 400% since 2022. Most
00:23:50are young men.
00:23:52My name is Damien Keelan. The last time I placed the bet was
00:23:56December 15th, 2005.
00:23:59Damien Keelan is a member of Hamilton's Gamblers Anonymous
00:24:03meeting an old timer that's helped guide Guru and other
00:24:06newcomers in the early stages of recovery. But it's all on
00:24:10line. Ever since COVID hit, we've seen them explosion
00:24:14of online gambling, phone addiction. While decades
00:24:17separate the two members, their experiences are similar.
00:24:21The lying, deceitful, cheating,
00:24:24you know, whatever I can get away with,
00:24:27I tried to get away with these rooms here,
00:24:29save my life. The whole point of the program is it's so much
00:24:33more than just not gambling, it's just being able to be
00:24:36comfortable in your own skin. As the province plans to expand
00:24:40both the online and in person casino markets,
00:24:43Keelan and Giroux worry about the potential harms and
00:24:46encourage anyone who's struggling to reach out for
00:24:49help. Dale Manokotak, CBC News, Hamilton.
00:30:34It is a comeback years in the making. Céline Dion finally
00:30:37back on stage for a series of sold out concerts in Paris. It
00:30:41has been a long journey for the Canadian superstar who shocked
00:30:45the world back in 2022 when she revealed she was leaving the
00:30:49stage. No concerts, no tours as she battled A
00:30:52debilitating autoimmune disorder called Stiff Person
00:30:55Syndrome. You may remember she spoke with me back in 2024. It
00:30:59was her first Canadian interview in English after