Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced). Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a quotation record.
01:00:21>> Rosemary: THIS SUNDAY ON "ROSEMARY BARTON LIVE" FROM MONTREAL.
01:00:25[♪♪] >> WE ARE GOING TO BUILD WITH SPEED BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
01:00:28>> Rosemary: PIPELINE POLITICS. A NEW WEST COAST PIPELINE CLEARS
01:00:31THE NEXT HURDLE. WILL A PRIVATE COMPANY GET
01:00:34BEHIND IT? WHAT ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL AND INDIGENOUS CONCERNS.
01:00:38ENERGY MINISTER TIM HODGSON IS
01:00:39HERE.
01:00:43>> IT IS A UNCERTAINTY THAT PSPP WANTS A REFERENDUM.
01:00:46IT'S NOT A CERTAINTY THAT THERE WILL BE A REFERENDUM. >> Rosemary: QUEBEC'S ELECTION
01:00:49IS TOMORROW. THE PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS LEADING IN THE POLLS. WHAT COULD A CHANGE IN
01:00:53GOVERNMENT IN QUEBEC MEAN FOR THE COUNTRY? I'LL ASK FORMER P.Q. LEADER
01:00:57JEAN-FRANÇOIS LISÉE. >> WISCONSIN IS AN AGRICULTURE
01:01:01STATE AND OUR FARMERS ARE SCREAMING. >> Rosemary: THE TOP U.S.
01:01:04NEGOTIATOR SAYS ISSUES REMAIN ON
01:01:07A TRADE DEAL WITH CANADA, BUT AS MIDTERMS NEAR, AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE SPEAKING OUT.
01:01:11I'LL ASK CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN MOORE WHY TARIFFS ARE HURTING AMERICANS. IT ALL STARTS NOW ON "ROSEMARY
01:01:15BARTON LIVE."
01:01:24[♪♪] >> Rosemary: THANKS FOR JOINING US ON THIS SUNDAY WHERE INDEED
01:01:27I'M COMING TO YOU FROM MONTREAL AHEAD OF TOMORROW'S PROVINCIAL
01:01:31ELECTION AND WE WILL GET TO
01:01:33THAT, BUT FIRST LET'S START IN ALBERTA WHERE PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY ANNOUNCED THE
01:01:37DESIGNATION OF CANADA'S FIRST PROJECT OF NATIONAL INTEREST A
01:01:41NEW WEST COAST OIL PIPELINE. >> Prime Minister Mark Carney:
01:01:43OUR GOVERNMENT WAS ELECTED TO
01:01:45CHANGE THINGS TO BUILD CANADA
01:01:48STRONG AND WE'RE DOING JUST THAT.
01:01:50LET'S BE CLEAR, CANADA WILL
01:01:53REMAIN A COUNTRY OF HIGH
01:01:55STANDARDS, BUT HIGH STANDARDS DO
01:01:57NOT REQUIRE SLOW DECISIONS. >> Rosemary: THE PROJECT WHICH
01:02:00IS NOW OFFICIALLY CALLED THE
01:02:03PACIFIC LINK PIPELINE WILL START
01:02:05IN BREWED HOOIM, ALBERTA, AND
01:02:08CARRY OVER 1 MILLION BARRELS OF OIL A DAY TO THE ROBERT BANK
01:02:11TERMINAL, THAT'S IN BRITISH COLUMBIA. BUT THERE IS STILL A LOT OF WORK
01:02:15TO DO BEFORE SHOVELS HIT THE
01:02:17GROUND LIKE CONSULT INDIGENOUS
01:02:23GROUPS, CONDUCT ECOLOGICAL SURVEYS AND CANADA IS LOOKING
01:02:26FOR A PRIVATE INVESTOR TO FOOT
01:02:29THE $40 BILLION PRICE TAG.
01:02:34MINISTER HODGSON, THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
01:02:37>> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: A
01:02:38PLEASURE TO BE HERE ROSIE.
01:02:43>> Rosemary: I WANT TO START
01:02:44WITH THE NEXT STEP AND THAT IS
01:02:47ACCOMMODATING AND AVOIDING POTENTIAL EFFECTS.
01:02:50THAT COULD BE FIRST NATIONS CONCERNS OR ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.
01:02:54HOW CHALLENGING DO YOU THINK THAT NEXT PART OF THE STEP WILL
01:02:56BE IN TERMS OF CREATING THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW THIS TO
01:03:00HAPPEN? >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: SO NOW THAT WE HAVE A DECISION THAT
01:03:04WE'RE LISTING THE PROJECT SO
01:03:06IT'S NOT LONGER IF BUT HOW, WE
01:03:10GO TO SORT OF THREE BIG PIECES
01:03:14OF WORK.
01:03:15THE FIRST IS THE INTENSIVE
01:03:20CONSULTATION ON THE PROJECT ITSELF WITH INDIGENOUS PEOPLES
01:03:23BEING LED BY THE M.P.O. AND THAT
01:03:27WILL BE A BIG IMPORTANT PART OF
01:03:29WORK THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED TO
01:03:33MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACCOMMODATING, MITIGATING,
01:03:36AVOIDING ISSUES THAT ARISE.
01:03:38THE SECOND PIECE IS THE PUBLIC
01:03:41HEARINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH THE
01:03:43CANADIAN ENERGY REGULATOR.
01:03:46THOSE ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE ANYONE CAN GO AND CAN SHARE
01:03:50THEIR PERSPECTIVES, INCLUDING INDIGENOUS PEOPLES.
01:03:53THEY WILL LOOK AT THE TECHNICAL
01:03:55ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF THE
01:03:59PROJECT, THE SOCIAL, CULTURAL, HEALTH, SAFETY, AND SECURITY ELEMENTS.
01:04:03AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE OF THIS WILL BE THE COORDINATION
01:04:07FUNCTION THE M.P.O. DOES WITH
01:04:10ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN
01:04:12GOVERNMENT, COLLECTING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO HONOUR OUR
01:04:16COMMITMENTS IN EACH OF THE ACTS AT GOVERNMENT AND TURN THAT INTO
01:04:20THE ONE CONDITIONS DOCUMENT. SO THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG
01:04:24CHUNKS OF WORK THAT WE HAVE BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT SEPTEMBER.
01:04:28>> Rosemary: OKAY. SO THERE ANYTHING IN THOSE THREE
01:04:32CHUNKS OF WORK THERE THAT WOULD
01:04:33PREVENT THIS PIPELINE FROM GOING
01:04:36AHEAD? >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: NOT IN OUR OPINION.
01:04:39WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT IN THE
01:04:43MAJOR PROJECTS OFFICE AS PART OF THE LISTING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAJOR PROJECTS OFFICE
01:04:46LOOKED AT IS ARE THERE ANY
01:04:49FUNDAMENTAL SHOW-STOPPERS AND IT
01:04:52WAS THEIR CONCLUSION AND THE
01:04:55RECOMMENDATION TO THE GOVERNOR-IN-COUNCIL THAT THERE
01:04:57IS A WAY TO GET THIS DONE IN A
01:05:00WAY THAT IS GOOD FOR CANADA, THAT IS A NET INTEREST OF CANADA.
01:05:03>> Rosemary: SO AS YOU KNOW, I
01:05:06MEAN, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE OPPOSED AND THEY WILL BE PART OF
01:05:09THESE CONVERSATIONS AND CONSULTATIONS GOING FORWARD, BUT
01:05:12IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR INSTANCE,
01:05:14THE STURGEON LAKE CREE NATION, IT REACTED TO THIS NEWS SAYING
01:05:18THIS WAS ALL A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME AND THIS WAS NOT FREE,
01:05:21PRIOR, AND INFORMED CONSENT,
01:05:24THAT CONDITIONS ARE NOT ENOUGH
01:05:29FOR WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS REQUIRED TO DO WITH FIRST NATIONS.
01:05:32HOW DO YOU REASSURE GROUPS THAT
01:05:34THEIR INPUT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, GIVEN THAT THE
01:05:38OUTCOME IS THERE IS GOING TO BE
01:05:41A PIPELINE? >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: SO,
01:05:43ROSIE, I THINK IT'S -- WE ALL
01:05:45NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A NEW
01:05:48PROCESS.
01:05:50PREVIOUSLY WE HAD ONE SORT OF
01:05:52BIG LUMP OF CONSULTATIONS.
01:05:57IT WASN'T VERY EFFICIENT. WE'RE FIXING THAT.
01:06:00BUT THERE WAS ONE BIG PIECE OF
01:06:03CONSULTATIONS AROUND A PROJECT. >> Rosemary: RIGHT. >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: UNDER
01:06:07THE BUILDING CANADA ACT THERE ARE TWO PIECES.
01:06:10THERE IS THE CONSULTATION THAT RELATES TO THE LISTING AND THEN
01:06:13THERE IS THE CONSULTATION THAT RELATES TO THE PROJECT.
01:06:15WHAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR IS THE
01:06:19CONSULTATION WITH RESPECT TO THE LISTING.
01:06:21AND IT WAS PRETTY INTENSE.
01:06:23ALL 110 NATIONS ALONG THE ROUTE
01:06:26WERE CONSULTED. THERE WERE 140 MEETINGS, THERE
01:06:30WERE 70 SUBMISSIONS. THERE WERE MULTIPLE MEETINGS
01:06:34WITH CABINET MINISTERS.
01:06:36AND I THINK THE CONCLUSION WAS
01:06:39THAT THIS PROJECT IS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST.
01:06:41NOW WE GO TO THE SECOND PIECE OF
01:06:45WORK WHICH I THINK THIS PARTICULAR NATION IS FOCUSED ON
01:06:48IS CAN WE DO THE ACCOMMODATION?
01:06:53CAN WE DO THE MITIGATION?
01:06:56CAN WE AVOID THE CONCERNS? AND I THINK WE HAVE THE REALITY
01:07:00THAT THE TRANS MOUNTAIN EXPANSION, WHICH IS THE SAME
01:07:03BASIC ROUTE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET
01:07:05THAT DONE SO WE BELIEVE WE'LL BE
01:07:08ABLE TO DO IT AGAIN. >> Rosemary: LET ME TALK TO YOU
01:07:12ABOUT OWNERSHIP.
01:07:13THE PEMBINA GROUP HAS A 10%
01:07:17OWNERSHIP. THERE IS NO BIG PROPONENT WILLING TO PAY THE BILLIONS OF
01:07:20DOLLARS FOR THIS TO GO AHEAD. YOU'VE BEEN I THINK DEEPLY
01:07:23INVOLVED IN THAT PIECE OF IT AND I WONDER HOW CONFIDENT YOU ARE
01:07:27THAT ONCE THIS CONDITION PHASE IS DONE, A PRIVATE PROPONENT
01:07:31WILL COME FORWARD.
01:07:33>> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: SO
01:07:36HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SAY.
01:07:39CANADA DOES NOT HAVE A GREAT
01:07:42RECORD HISTORICALLY AROUND
01:07:44BUILDING OIL PIPELINES.
01:07:47AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS A
01:07:49LITTLE BIT RETICENT, GIVEN THAT
01:07:51THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DELAYS,
01:07:54THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY CHALLENGES.
01:07:57WHAT WE'RE SHOWING WITH THIS NEW
01:07:59ACT IS WE ARE GOING TO OPERATE
01:08:02DIFFERENTLY, WE ARE GOING TO BUILD WITH SPEED BUT WE'RE GOING
01:08:05TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
01:08:07AND I BELIEVE AS WE HIT THESE
01:08:09GATES, AS WE HIT THE MILESTONES
01:08:11AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT
01:08:13CONSISTENTLY AS A NEW
01:08:16GOVERNMENT, WE WILL BE DEMONSTRATING TO THE PRIVATE
01:08:19SECTOR THAT THIS IS AN
01:08:22INVESTABLE SECTOR.
01:08:24WE'VE SEEN PEMBINA COME IN FOR
01:08:2710% OF THE PROJECT.
01:08:29WE KNOW THEY ARE INTERESTED AND
01:08:32HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO UP ANOTHER
01:08:3410% TO 20% OF THE PROJECT.
01:08:37WE KNOW INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FROM THE CONSULTATIONS WE HAVE ARE
01:08:41VERY INTERESTED IN TAKING EQUITY OWNERSHIP AND WE'VE COMMITTED
01:08:45THAT THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM OF
01:08:4810% OF INDIGENOUS OWNERSHIP.
01:08:52I BELIEVE AS WE HIT THESE MILESTONES YOU WILL SEE THE
01:08:56OWNERSHIP OF THE PIPELINE EVOLVE AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE OTHER
01:09:00PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS.
01:09:02AND WE JUST SAW THIS LAST WEEK
01:09:05WHEN INVESTORS FROM ALL OVER THE
01:09:11WORLD CAME TO INVEST IN L.N.G.
01:09:14IN THAT SECTOR WE CONVINCED PEOPLE WE'RE AN INVESTABLE
01:09:17SECTOR AND CAPITAL IS POURING IN. WE NEED TO CONVINCE THE WORLD WE
01:09:21NEED TO BUILD OIL PIPELINES AGAIN. >> Rosemary: I GET WHAT YOU'RE
01:09:25SAYING IN TERMS OF THE RETICENCE
01:09:27OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE GOVERNMENT LOOKING AT WAYS TO
01:09:31REASSURE THEM, BUT PRESIDENT IT WAS THE PRIME MINISTER HIMSELF
01:09:34WHO LESS THAN A YEAR AGO SAID IF THERE IS NOT A PRIVATE SECTOR
01:09:38PROPONENT, THERE WILL BE NO PIPELINE. IS THAT STILL THE CASE OR IS
01:09:41THAT NO LONGER THE CASE?
01:09:43>> I THINK ALL CANADIANS KNOW
01:09:45THAT OUR PRIME MINISTER IS A VERY PRACTICAL AND PRAGMATIC PERSON.
01:09:49THE WORLD HAS CHANGED A LOT IN THE LAST YEAR.
01:09:52I THINK CANADIANS UNDERSTAND WE
01:09:56ARE NOW IN THE WORST ENERGY
01:09:58CRISIS IN MODERN HISTORY.
01:10:01WE ARE SEEING OUR ALLIES AROUND
01:10:03THE WORLD RUNNING OUT OF ENERGY.
01:10:06WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A TRADE
01:10:09WAR, A TRADE WAR THAT WE DIDN'T
01:10:11ASK FOR THAT WE NEED TO WIN.
01:10:14ALL OF THESE THINGS REQUIRE
01:10:18EXECUTION AT SPEED RIGHT NOW, AGAIN, DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY,
01:10:21BUT EXECUTION AT SPEED.
01:10:23IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR CANADA.
01:10:26>> Rosemary: BUT DOES THAT MEAN, MINISTER -- SORRY TO INTERRUPT
01:10:30YOU, BUT DOES THAT MEAN THAT
01:10:33STATEMENT NO LONGER STANDS, THAT
01:10:34IT HAS TO BE A PRIVATE PROPONENT
01:10:37FOR THIS PIPELINE TO GO AHEAD? IT'S POSSIBLE THAT CANADIAN
01:10:40TAXPAYERS WILL BE FOOTING THE BILL FOR THIS?
01:10:43>> >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: WHAT WE
01:10:46KNOW TO GET TO THE DECISION NEXT
01:10:49YEAR, THERE WILL BE INVESTMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT AND
01:10:53PEMBINA PIPELINES, A PRIVATE SECTOR PROPONENT.
01:10:55WHAT I CAN TELL YOU LOOKING AT THE TRANS MOUNTAIN EXPANSION THAT WAS JUST DONE BY
01:10:59TRANS MOUNTAIN WHICH IS OWNED BY
01:11:00THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA, IT HAS
01:11:04BEEN A VERY PROFITABLE ENDEAVOUR.
01:11:06NOT ONLY IS IT QUITE A
01:11:10PROFITABLE ENDEAVOUR, IT'S INCREDIBLY STRATEGIC.
01:11:13THE FACT THAT CANADA HAS THAT PIPELINE NOW AND THAT WE NO
01:11:16LONGER ONLY CAN SELL OUR OIL TO
01:11:19ONE CUSTOMER, THAT WE CAN SELL
01:11:20IT TO ALL OF OUR ALLIES
01:11:23THROUGHOUT ASIA AND EUROPE IS INCREDIBLY STRATEGIC.
01:11:27IT PUTS REALLY IMPORTANT CARDS
01:11:30IN OUR HANDS IN THIS DIFFICULT TIME.
01:11:32THIS NEW PIPELINE WILL DO THAT
01:11:35TO AN EVEN GREATER DEGREE.
01:11:38>> Rosemary: LAST QUESTION ABOUT THAT SORT OF ABOUT THE OTHER POLITICAL CONTEXT AND THAT'S OF
01:11:41COURSE THAT WE'RE A COUPLE WEEKS OUT FROM A REFERENDUM IN ALBERTA.
01:11:45THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PREMIER AND THE PRIME MINISTER
01:11:48POINTED TO YESTERDAY AS A SIGN THAT CANADA WORKS.
01:11:52DO YOU THINK THAT THIS PIPELINE WOULD BE HAPPENING SO QUICKLY
01:11:55WITHOUT THIS POLITICAL CONTEXT?
01:11:58HOW IMPORTANT IS THE REFERENDUM
01:12:01AND YOUR CONCERNS AROUND
01:12:04NATIONAL UNITY TO THIS PROJECT? >> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: SO
01:12:08SINCE THE DAY THAT THE PRIME
01:12:10MINISTER AND THIS GOVERNMENT WAS
01:12:13ELECTED, PLAN A HAS BEEN TO BECOME A CLEAN AND CONVENTIONAL
01:12:17ENERGY SUPER POWER.
01:12:18PLAN A HAS BEEN TO DIVERSIFY WHO
01:12:21WE CAN SELL OUR RESOURCES TO FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
01:12:25THAT'S WHY OUR FIRST BILL WAS
01:12:27THE BUILDING CANADA ACT.
01:12:29THAT BILL AND THE CREATION OF
01:12:33THE MAJOR PROJECTS OFFICE SET THE STAGE FOR THIS.
01:12:37THE PEOPLE OF ALBERTA ARE GOING
01:12:39TO DECIDE FOR ALBERTA.
01:12:42WE BELIEVE THERE IS A GOOD PLACE
01:12:44FOR ALBERTA IN A STRONG CANADA.
01:12:50BUT THIS PROJECT IS BIGGER THAN
01:12:52THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.
01:12:56THE PRIME MINISTER SAID WE'RE IN A HINGE MOMENT.
01:12:58WE'RE IN A MORE DANGEROUS AND VOLATILE WORLD.
01:13:02CANADA HAS TO GIVE ITSELF MORE THAN OTHERS CAN TAKE AWAY.
01:13:06THIS PROJECT IS A KEY PART OF THAT INITIATIVE. >> Rosemary: MINISTER HODGSON,
01:13:09GOOD OF YOU TO MAKE THE TIME.
01:13:13>> The Hon. Tim Hodgson: THANK YOU, ROSIE, TAKE CARE.
01:13:16>> Rosemary: QUEBECERS HEAD TO
01:13:18AN ELECTION IN AN ELECTION THAT
01:13:21COULD SEE A PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS GOVERNMENT. I'LL ASK THE PARTY'S FORMER
01:13:25LEADER ABOUT THIS COMEBACK AND THE TALK OF A THIRD REFERENDUM.
01:13:29MY CONVERSATION WITH JEAN-FRANÇOIS LISÉE IS NEXT.
01:13:31YOU'RE WATCHING "R.B.L." FROM FROM MONTREAL. [♪♪]
01:15:54[♪♪]
01:16:00>> Rosemary: AS PARTY LEADERS IN QUEBEC MAKE THEIR FINAL PITCH TO
01:16:03VOTERS AHEAD OF MONDAY'S ELECTION, THE PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS IS
01:16:06BRACING FOR A COMEBACK. >> I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT IF
01:16:09THAT'S THE CHOICE OF QUEBECERS,
01:16:11I'LL BE A PREMIER FOR EVERYONE. [ Applause ]. >> Rosemary: FOR THE FIRST TIME
01:16:15SINCE 2014, THE P.Q. IS EXPECTED TO FORM GOVERNMENT, POSSIBLY
01:16:19EVEN A MAJORITY AND ITS LEADER IS PROMISING TO HOLD A THIRD
01:16:22REFERENDUM, BUT ONLY AFTER DONALD TRUMP LEAVES OFFICE,
01:16:24CREATING A NEW POLITICAL CHALLENGE FOR OTTAWA.
01:16:28>> Prime Minister Mark Carney: WE WILL WORK WITH WHATEVER GOVERNMENT THAT QUEBECERS CHOOSE
01:16:31ON THE 5th OF OCTOBER. >> Rosemary: JEAN-FRANÇOIS LISÉE
01:16:35WAS THE LEADER OF THE PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS FROM 2016 TO 2018.
01:16:38I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE PARTY'S
01:16:41MOMENT AND WHAT HE'S WATCHING FOR ON ELECTION DAY.
01:16:45JEAN-FRANÇOIS LISÉE, NICE TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
01:16:48>> THANKS VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME, ROSEMARY. >> Rosemary: SO THE LATEST POLLS
01:16:52AND THIS HAS BEEN THE TREND FOR A WHILE SHOW THAT THE PARTI
01:16:55QUÉBÉCOIS IS LIKELY GOING TO FORM GOVERNMENT ON MONDAY.
01:16:58WE STILL DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MINORITY OR A MAJORITY.
01:17:01EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THE PARTI
01:17:03QUÉBÉCOIS WENT FROM THREE SEATS IN THE 2022 ELECTION TO WHERE IT
01:17:07IS NOW. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT RESURGENCE?
01:17:11>> WELL, OF COURSE THE
01:17:15WILLINGNESS FOR CHANGE IS THE MAIN FACTOR.
01:17:18SO WHEN MR. LEGAULT WAS S
01:17:21RE-ELECTED IN 2022 WITH 90 SEATS
01:17:24OUT OF 125, HIS VERY BEIGE
01:17:30SLOGAN WAS "KEEP ON," AND PEOPLE
01:17:34WERE OVERWHELM GINGLY SATISFIED
01:17:38WITH IT. THEN MR. LEGAULT DESTROYED HIS
01:17:41CREDIBILITY BY A NUMBER OF VERY
01:17:43ILL-ADVISED DECISIONS, ABOUT
01:17:45FACES ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES, AND
01:17:48FAILURES IN INVESTMENTS.
01:17:53SO AN OPENING WAS MADE FOR
01:17:56CHANGE.
01:17:57AND AND DURING THAT TIME, PAUL
01:18:00ST-PIERRE PLAMONDON GREW IN POPULARITY, WON ALMOST EVERY
01:18:04SINGLE BY-ELECTION AND GREW HIS
01:18:09CAUSE OF ACTION AND BECAME THE
01:18:11CHOICE FOR CHANGE.
01:18:13BUT THEN A NUMBER OF THINGS
01:18:16HAPPENED THAT COULD HAVE IMPEDED
01:18:18HIM FROM GETTING TO POWER. BUT HERE WE ARE. >> Rosemary: OKAY AND I WANT
01:18:21TO -- I MEAN, THE ELECTION IS SO
01:18:23EXTRAORDINARY FOR SO MANY REASONS, BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT
01:18:27DON'T KNOW THE P.Q. LEADER, PAUL
01:18:30ST-PIERRE PLAMONDON, OR PSPP AS
01:18:33HE'S KNOWN IN QUEBEC, DESCRIBE
01:18:36HIM TO CANADIANS FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT NOT THE BE FAMILIAR WITH
01:18:39HIM AND THE WAY HE DOES POLITICS.
01:18:41>> FIRST, HE'S A -- WELL, HE'S
01:18:45-- THE GENERATIONAL FACTOR IS THERE.
01:18:47HE IS FROM THE X GENERATION AS
01:18:51ARE MOST OF THE OTHER LEADERS,
01:18:59HE WENT TO I THINK IT'S OXFORD.
01:19:04VERY WELL SCHOOLED, VERY
01:19:06INTELLIGENT FELLOW, BUT VERY
01:19:08INTENSE IN HIS BELIEF OF
01:19:14INDEPENDENCE FOR QUEBEC. SOMETIMES IT'S TOO INTENSE IN
01:19:17SOME OF HIS ARGUMENTS BY
01:19:19OPPONENTS AND SOMETIMES BY HIS
01:19:22SUPPORTERS, BUT VERY CONSISTENT.
01:19:28AND HIS PERSONA HAS BEEN BUILT
01:19:32OVER CONSISTENCY, FRANKNESS,
01:19:34DIRECTNESS TO A FAULT.
01:19:36AND HE CHOSE AS A SLOGAN THE
01:19:40CHOICE OF TRUST BECAUSE PEOPLE
01:19:45GOT TO DISTRUSTING THE LEGAULT
01:19:48GOVERNMENT SO MUCH THAT TRUST
01:19:50BECAME AN ADDED VALUE IN THE
01:19:54CAMPAIGN. SO THIS IS VERY MUCH THE WAY HE
01:19:57PRESENTS HIMSELF TO QUEBECERS
01:19:59AND CLEARLY THERE IS A THIRST
01:20:02FOR THIS IN A SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF QUEBECERS, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE
01:20:05FIVE COMPETITIVE PARTIES TO PASS
01:20:08THE THRESHOLD NEEDED TO BE
01:20:12GOVERNMENT WHICH IS PRETTY LOW,
01:20:14WHICH IS 28, 29%. >> Rosemary: HE OBVIOUSLY HAS
01:20:17PROMISED A REFERENDUM, BUT HE SAID HE WON'T DO IT UNTIL DONALD
01:20:21TRUMP IS IN OFFICE. AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN THE
01:20:25PARTI QUÉBÉCOIS GO THROUGH THIS CYCLE A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH
01:20:28ONLY TWO REFERENDUMS HAVING BEEN
01:20:31HELD, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION AND DO YOU THINK HE IS VERY COMMITTED TO HOLDING
01:20:35A REFERENDUM? >> OH, HE IS COMPLETELY COMMITTED.
01:20:38BUT THAT WAS A MASTER STROKE, A MASTER STROKE.
01:20:42I MEAN, THERE WAS NEVER
01:20:45SOMETHING AS ANGUISH-PRODUCING
01:20:50AS DONALD TRUMP.
01:20:52I MEAN, YOU POLL PEOPLE HERE AND
01:20:55ACROSS CANADA AND YOU WILL FIND
01:20:57ALMOST HALF OF THEM THAT THINK
01:21:00MILITARY INTERVENTION COULD HAPPEN.
01:21:02SO THIS IS A LEVEL OF
01:21:05UNCERTAINTY UNHEARD OF IN ANY PREVIOUS POLITICAL CYCLES.
01:21:09AND BY SAYING THE DAY BEFORE THE START OF THE CAMPAIGN THAT HE
01:21:13WOULD NOT HOLD A REFERENDUM
01:21:14UNTIL TRUMP LEFT, HE DID HELP
01:21:19HIMSELF TREMENDOUSLY AND THE REFERENDUM SHOULD HAVE BEEN,
01:21:23COULD HAVE BEEN THE KEY ISSUE OF
01:21:25THE CAMPAIGN AND IT BECAME ONE
01:21:27OF MANY ISSUES. AND SO I THINK THIS IS ONE OF
01:21:31THE KEYS TO HIS ELECTION.
01:21:33>> Rosemary: YOU SAID HE COULD
01:21:35GET ELECTED WITH 29, 30% OF THE VOTE BECAUSE THERE ARE FIVE
01:21:38PARTIES IN THE RUNNING, WHICH IS SO EXTRAORDINARY.
01:21:42BUT 30% IS ALSO THE NUMBER OF
01:21:46QUEBECERS WHO SAY THEY WOULD VOTE YES IN A REFERENDUM, WHO
01:21:49ARE INTERESTED IN A REFERENDUM. DO YOU THINK THAT A REFERENDUM
01:21:51IS POSSIBLE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS?
01:21:55DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT QUEBECERS ARE STILL INTERESTED
01:21:57IN, DESPITE THE NUMBERS I JUST PUT FORWARD THERE?
01:22:01>> WELL, 30% IS PRETTY MUCH
01:22:04ROUGHLY THE NUMBERS. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT A
01:22:07REFERENDUM, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
01:22:09WHO WOULD VOTE YES TODAY AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD VOTE
01:22:13FOR THE P.Q.
01:22:15SO OF COURSE YOU CANNOT GET A
01:22:17YES WITH 30%.
01:22:19SO CLEARLY HE HAS A LONG RUNWAY
01:22:25UNTIL TRUMP LEAVES IN JANUARY OF
01:22:272029 TO TRY TO GET THIS NUMBER
01:22:31UP.
01:22:33AND IT IS A CERTAINTY THAT PSPP
01:22:35WANTS A REFERENDUM. IT'S NOT A CERTAINTY THAT THERE
01:22:39WILL BE A REFERENDUM FOR TWO MAIN REASONS.
01:22:41FIRST, IF HE IS IN A MINORITY
01:22:44POSITION, SO HE NEEDS TO HAVE
01:22:46SOME MEMBERS OF THE OTHER
01:22:48PARTIES, EITHER THE PARTIES OR
01:22:51SOME CROSSOVERS THAT WILL GIVE
01:22:53HIM THIS MAJORITY, HE NEEDS A
01:22:56MAJORITY TO HOLD THE REFERENDUM, SO HE DOESN'T HAVE IT IF IT'S IN
01:23:00A MINORITY POSITION. BUT LET'S SAY THAT WE'RE
01:23:04PROJECTING OURSELVES IN THE
01:23:06SPRING OF 2029, IF THE SUPPORT
01:23:09FOR SOVEREIGNTY IS STILL AROUND
01:23:1230%, THERE IS GOING TO BE A VERY
01:23:14HEAVY DEBATE WITHIN A MAJORITY
01:23:17P.Q. GOVERNMENT ON THE
01:23:19OPPORTUNITY OF HOLDING THIS REFERENDUM.
01:23:22SO THIS IS PRETTY FAR AWAY. THINGS CAN CHANGE.
01:23:25WE HAVE SEEN SITUATIONS OF
01:23:28SURGES OF SOVEREIGNIST SENTIMENT.
01:23:32THE LAST ONE WAS IN 2006 DURING
01:23:35THE SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL.
01:23:37WITHIN THREE MONTHS, 56% OF
01:23:40QUEBECERS WANTED TO VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE.
01:23:42SO WILL THIS HAPPEN BEFORE THE TIME OF LAUNCHING THE
01:23:46REFERENDUM? NOBODY KNOWS. >> Rosemary: I WILL JUST END ON
01:23:49THIS, HOW MUCH OF A TEST DO YOU THINK IT IS FOR PRIME MINISTER
01:23:52MARK CARNEY? HE IS THE MOST POPULAR
01:23:55POLITICIAN IN QUEBEC RIGHT NOW.
01:23:57WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE IN TERMS
01:23:59OF THE RELATIONSHIP THERE IF PSPP WINS ON MONDAY?
01:24:03>> WELL, PSPP WILL BE A TOUGH
01:24:06CLIENT FOR CARNEY, THAT'S FOR SURE.
01:24:09AND CARNEY HAS I WOULD SAY HIS
01:24:10KNOWLEDGE OF QUEBEC IS AKIN TO A
01:24:16REGULATOR IN QUEBEC. HE DOESN'T HAVE AN IN-DEPTH
01:24:19KNOWLEDGE OF QUEBEC. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER TOUGH
01:24:23CLIENT OF THE FEDERATION WHICH WAS DANIELLE SMITH, WHAT CARNEY
01:24:26DID, HE TOOK THE LIST OF DEMANDS
01:24:29OF THAT CLIENT, CHECKED EVERY
01:24:32BOX, AND NOW SHE'S A FRIEND.
01:24:34NOW, IF HE TURNS TO QUEBEC AND
01:24:38TAKES THE 20 DEMANDS OF THE C.A.Q. HAVE FOR QUEBEC WITHIN
01:24:41THE FEDERATION AND CHECKS EVERY
01:24:43BOX, THEN HE DEFEATS THE
01:24:46SOVEREIGNISTS, BUT WILL HE DO THAT? THAT'S A TRICKY THING.
01:24:49>> Rosemary: IT IS A TRICKY THING. IT IS GOING TO BE A WILD NIGHT
01:24:53ON MONDAY. JEAN-FRANÇOIS LISÉE, THANK YOU
01:24:55FOR THE TIME. >> THANK YOU. [♪♪]
01:24:58>> Rosemary: YOU CAN FOLLOW ALL
01:25:00THE ELECTION NIGHT ACTION LIVE
01:25:03RIGHT HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK,
01:25:05CBC MONTREAL HOST DEBRA ARBEC
01:25:11AND HER TEAM WILL BRING YOU THE
01:25:15RESULTS. WE WILL BRING YOU LIVE REPORTS
01:25:17FROM FROM RIDINGS RIGHT ACROSS QUEBEC. REMEMBER, THERE ARE FOUR PARTIES
01:25:21HERE AND NONE OF THEM HAVE REACHED MORE THAN 30% OF THE
01:25:25VOTE. SO IT COULD BE A WILD RIDE.
01:25:29THAT COVERAGE KICKS OFF AT 7:30
01:25:32P.M. EASTERN AND 4:30 P.M. EASTERN.
01:25:35YOU CAN ALSO TUNE IN ONLINE. SEE YOU TOMORROW FOR THAT ONE.
01:25:39STILL AHEAD, THE POLITICS FOR THE WEST COAST PIPELINE.
01:25:42WHAT COULD THIS MEAN FOR SEPARATIST SENTIMENT IN ALBERTA?
01:25:46WHAT CHALLENGES DOES THIS PIPELINE FACE WHEN IT COMES TO FIRST NATIONS SUPPORT IF IT
01:25:49WANTS TO GET SHOVELS IN THE
01:25:51GROUND BY NEXT SEPTEMBER, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
01:25:55WE HAVE OUR "SUNDAY SCRUM"
01:25:56STANDING BY FOR ALL OF THAT. YOU'RE WATCHING "R.B.L."
01:26:01>> Announc
01:28:15[♪♪]
01:28:23>> Rosemary: SOME FIRST NATIONS GROUPS ARE PUSHING BACK ON THE
01:28:26NATIONAL INTEREST DESIGNATION FOR THE PACIFIC LINK PIPELINE. THAT'S THE NEW PIPELINE TO THE
01:28:30WEST COAST. ONE OF THOSE GROUPS IS THE B.C.
01:28:33UNION OF INDIAN CHIEFS AND THEIR
01:28:36PRESIDENT GRAND CHIEF STEWART PHILLIP JOINS ME NOW.
01:28:40GOOD MORNING, GRAND CHIEF. >> GOOD MORNING. >> Rosemary: THE GOVERNMENT SAYS
01:28:44THIS HAS TO GET DONE VERY QUICKLY BY NEXT SEPTEMBER IT
01:28:47WANTS ALL CONSULTATIONS AND MITIGATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
01:28:50ALL WRAPPED UP.
01:28:52HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU THAT THAT
01:28:55TIMELINE WILL WORK?
01:28:58>> BRITISH COLUMBIA FIRST
01:29:02NATIONS ARE GRAVELY CONCERNED
01:29:05ABOUT THE PROPOSED PIPELINE FROM
01:29:09ALBERTA TO B.C. COAST, THE
01:29:15MANNER IN WHICH IT HAS BEEN
01:29:17PROPOSED AND THE MANNER IN WHICH
01:29:20IT IS BEING ADVANCED.
01:29:25IT'S A COMPLETE BREACH OF THE
01:29:27LEGAL OBLIGATIONS ON PART OF
01:29:30CANADA, BRITISH COLUMBIA, AND
01:29:34THE CORPORATE WORLD ITSELF.
01:29:42IN TERMS OF COMPLETELY IGNORING
01:29:44THE LEGAL OBLIGATIONS, THE
01:29:48CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATIONS OF
01:29:50FREE, PRIOR, AND INFORMED
01:29:53CONSENT. >> Rosemary: DO YOU THINK THAT
01:29:57THAT CONSENT CAN BE GRANTED OR
01:30:00SOUGHT OVER THE NEXT 11 MONTHS?
01:30:02AS YOU KNOW, THE CONTEXT IN
01:30:04WHICH THIS IS HAPPENING AND
01:30:07CHALLENGING FOR CANADA AND THE
01:30:09GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO DO THIS QUICKLY IN ORDER TO
01:30:13RESPOND TO THAT GEOPOLITICAL
01:30:16CONTEXT.
01:30:20>> YES, I BELIEVE WE ARE ON
01:30:26STRONG LEGAL FOOTING IN TERMS OF
01:30:28THE GOVERNMENT'S BREACH OF GOOD
01:30:31FA
01:30:34FAITH, THEIR ABSOLUTE FAILURE TO
01:30:44COMPREHENSIVELY OFFER A DEEP
01:30:46CONSULTATION PROCESS BASED ON
01:30:51FREE, PRIOR, AND INFORMED
01:30:54CONSENT. >> Rosemary: SO WHAT DOES THAT
01:30:58MEAN, GRAND CHIEF? DO YOU EXPECT THAT LEGAL ACTION
01:31:02WILL FOLLOW?
01:31:04>> I BELIEVE THAT LIKE ALL OTHER
01:31:08PIPELINE WARS IN MANY B.C., WE
01:31:11ARE HEADING BACK TO THE COURTS
01:31:20AND BACK THROUGH THE POLITICAL
01:31:23CHANNELS AND QUARTERBACK QUITE
01:31:25POSSIBLY, BEING BACK OUT ON THE
01:31:28FRONT LINES AGAIN. THIS IS NOT OUR FIRST PIPELINE
01:31:32W WAR.
01:31:35>> Rosemary: OKAY, GRAND CHIEF STEWART PHILLIP, WE WILL LEAVE IT THERE THIS MORNING.
01:31:38THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. >> EXCUSE ME?
01:31:42>> Rosemary: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, GRAND CHIEF.
01:31:45>> OH, THANK YOU. >> Prime Minister Mark Carney:
01:31:48THE PIPELINE TO THE WEST COAST IS PART OF OUR MISSION TO
01:31:51TRANSFORM OUR ECONOMY, TO DOUBLE
01:31:52OUR NON-U.S. EXPORTS OVER THE
01:31:56NEXT DECADE. >> Premier Danielle Smith: THIS IS A MONUMENTAL DAY FOR OUR
01:31:59PROVINCE AND OUR COUNTRY. IT IS ALSO AN IMPORTANT STEP
01:32:03TOWARDS THE GOAL OF THE NECESSARY APPROVALS AND
01:32:06CONDITIONS TO GET APPROVAL AS
01:32:08EARLY AS SEPTEMBER 2027. >> Rosemary: THE PRIME MINISTER
01:32:11AND THE ALBERTA PREMIER ON THE
01:32:13NATIONAL INTEREST DESIGNATION OF
01:32:17THE PACIFIC LINK PIPELINE.
01:32:21THERE IS PUSH BACK FROM ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCATES AND INDIGENOUS GROUPS.
01:32:24WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES AHEAD FOR THE PROJECT?
01:32:28LET'S BRING IN OUR "SUNDAY SCRUM".
01:32:30MARIE VESTEL IN GATINEAU, EMILIE
01:32:37NICHOLAS AND ROB BREAKENRIDGE IS
01:32:39A COLUMNIST AT THE "CALGARY HERALD." GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE.
01:32:43MAYBE I WILL START WHERE I LEFT OFF WITH THE GRAND CHIEF, WHO IS
01:32:47PREPARING TO GET IN THE WAY OF
01:32:50THIS PROJECT, DESPITE THE DETERMINATION BY THE FEDERAL AND
01:32:53THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS. ROB, HOW REALISTIC DO YOU THINK
01:32:57THIS TIMELINE IS RIGHT NOW, GIVEN THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE
01:33:00SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING AHEAD WITH THIS, DESPITE OF YOUR
01:33:04INTENT OF DOING ONE REVIEW, ONE PROJECT?
01:33:07>> WELL, I GUESS WE'LL FIND OUT, RIGHT.
01:33:10IT WAS INTERESTING TO NOTE AT THAT PRESS CONFERENCE IN
01:33:13FORT McMURRAY ON THURSDAY, WERE THE FIRST NATIONS, THE
01:33:16INDIGENOUS LEADERS WHO WERE IN ATTENDANCE. AND IT CERTAINLY IMPLIES THAT
01:33:19THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN SOME OF THAT CONSULTATION WORK DONE IN
01:33:23EFFORTS TO REACH OUT TO THESE COMMUNITIES TO BRING THEM INTO
01:33:26THIS PROJECT AND THERE WAS CERTAINLY SOME DESIGNATED
01:33:29INDIGENOUS OWNERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT. SO I THINK THERE ARE LESSONS
01:33:33THAT HAVE BEEN LEARNED FROM THE PAST EVEN AS RECENTLY AS THE
01:33:36TRANS MOUNTAIN STATISTICIAN. REMEMBER, THAT WAS STRUCK DOWN
01:33:40BY THE COURTS.
01:33:45REMEMBER REMEMBER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROJECT THAT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE TRANS MOUNTAIN
01:33:49PIPELINE APPROXIMATE. NOW, THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN
01:33:53ACCELERATE THE TIMELINE AND STILL DO MEANINGFUL CONSULTATION, I GUESS THAT'S A
01:33:56PRINCIPLE THAT WILL BE TESTED
01:33:59HERE, BUT I THINK THE GOVERNMENT
01:34:01BELIEVES IT'S ON SOLID FOOTING
01:34:03IN THE GROUNDWORK IT LAID OUT SO
01:34:13FEDERAL SUPPORT AND BROAD PUBLIC SUPPORT, WHETHER THIS GETS OVER
01:34:16THE FINISH LINE, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE AT THIS POINT.
01:34:19SO THERE ARE STILL SOME BLANKS
01:34:20TO BE FILLED IN IN TERMS OF THAT CONSULTATION, CONSENT, PRIVATE
01:34:24AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY AND PRIVATE BACKING, THE PRODUCTION TO FILL THE PIPELINE, ALL OF
01:34:28THOSE QUESTIONS. >> Rosemary: YOU TALKED TO ONE GUY THIS WEEK.
01:34:32YOU DID AN INTERVIEW WITH PIERRE POILIEVRE WHO BASICALLY SAID
01:34:35I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.
01:34:37>> WELL, AND THAT'S THE THING, RIGHT.
01:34:39I MEAN, WHEN YOU GET THE ALBERTA
01:34:42GOVERNMENT HOLDING THIS UP AS A
01:34:44MAJOR POLITICAL WIN AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE CLIMATE IN
01:34:47ALBERTA, THE VOTE TAKING PLACE ON OCTOBER 19, IN FAIRNESS TO
01:34:51PIERRE POILIEVRE, HE CAME TO ALBERTA AND DELIVERED AN
01:34:55IMPASSIONED PLEA FOR UNITY AND
01:34:57THE CASE AGAINST SEPARATISM, BUT
01:35:00TO TURN AROUND AND SAY MARK
01:35:02CARNEY IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT'S AN ILLUSION.
01:35:05HE MAYBE UNFORTUNATELY UNDERCUT
01:35:08HIS OWN MESSAGE A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS THE DIVIDE IN ALBERTA.
01:35:12DO YOU BELIEVE AND TRUST THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL
01:35:14SUPPORT THIS AND SEE THIS THROUGH.
01:35:16IS THIS AN EXAMPLE HOW THIS CAN WORK OR IS THIS LOOSELY WITH THE
01:35:20FOOTBALL HERE. >> Rosemary: AND AND, MARIE, I
01:35:23SORT OF PUT THAT TO THE MINISTER.
01:35:26I THINK THAT CERTAINLY THE GOAL
01:35:29FROM THIS GOVERNMENT IS MAKE
01:35:33CANADA AN ENERGY SUPER POWER AND
01:35:35CREATE GROWTH AND JOBS. I'M NOT SURE THIS WOULD BE THE
01:35:39SAME WITHOUT THE POTENTIAL OF A REFERENDUM IN ALBERTA.
01:35:42THAT DOES SEEM TO LEND SOME
01:35:44URGENCY TO THE PROJECT. >> YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE
01:35:48STRATEGY WOULD BE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT FOR THE PRIME MINISTER
01:35:51IN TERMS OF DIVERSIFYING TRADE AND PARTNERS.
01:35:54BUT I AGREE, THE FACT THAT THIS
01:35:56WAS CONFIRMED 18 DAYS BEFORE THAT FIRST REFERENDUM VOTE, I
01:36:00MEAN, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE SILLY
01:36:02TO THINK THAT THAT'S A COINCIDENCE.
01:36:05BUT I DID FIND IT INTERESTING ALSO IN YOUR INTERVIEW WITH THE
01:36:09MINISTER, YOU CERTAINLY TRIED TO
01:36:10GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS AND HE
01:36:13CERTAINLY MADE SURE SHE DIDN'T GIVE IN TO YOU.
01:36:16TO THE POINT ABOUT THIS PROJECT,
01:36:18WILL IT GO AHEAD, WILL IT GO AS
01:36:22SEEMINGLY AS THEY WOULD LIKE IT TO, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS
01:36:25THAT ARE STILL WITHOUT ANSWERS, WHICH YOU TOUCHED ON DURING YOUR
01:36:29INTERVIEW, BUT EVEN DURING AN ALMOST ONE-HOUR BRIEFING WITH
01:36:32GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS THIS WEEK, THERE WEREN'T ANY ANSWERS ON
01:36:35WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR ENVIRONMENTAL POLLUTION REDUCTION TARGETS.
01:36:39THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, IT DOESN'T
01:36:41DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE REDUCTION, THAT'S A NICE WAY OF
01:36:44SAYING THAT IT DOES THE OPPOSITE.
01:36:46ON PATHWAYS, IS IT A CONDITION
01:36:48TO -- WHICH USED TO BE A
01:36:51CONDITION, RIGHT. PATHWAYS HAPPENS IN ORDER FOR
01:36:54THIS PIPELINE TO BE BUILT. THEY'RE CONFIDENT, BUT THEY'RE
01:36:57NOT REALLY SAYING IF IT'S STILL
01:37:00AN OBLIGATION ON INDIGENOUS CONSULTATIONS THEY'RE SAYING
01:37:04THEY'RE CONFIDENT AGAIN, BUT NOT
01:37:06DENYING THAT THEY ARE, INDEED, PROBABLY EXPECTING A LEGAL
01:37:10CHALLENGE. ON THE ECONOMIC MODEL, THEY'RE
01:37:13SAYING -- THEY DIDN'T REALLY
01:37:15ANSWER WHETHER THE DEMAND WOULD
01:37:17BE THERE IN 2032-33 WHEN THIS
01:37:20PIPELINE WOULD BE IN OPERATION. THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND I DO THINK THAT'S
01:37:24A VULNERABILITY FOR THE PRIME MINISTER BECAUSE IT'S ONE THING
01:37:26TO WANT TO TRANSFORM THE ECONOMIC MODEL OF CANADA, BUT I
01:37:30DO THINK THAT HE NEEDS TO BRING
01:37:33PEOPLE ALONG WITH HIM BECAUSE OTHERWISE WHAT YOU RISK IS
01:37:36HAVING CERTAIN AREAS WHERE
01:37:40THERE'S -- THINGS DON'T ALIGN
01:37:42AND YOU RISK KIND OF IF IT
01:37:45WASN'T WORK OUT HAVING BOTH
01:37:47SIDES IN THE END BEING
01:37:49FRUSTRATED AND NOT ALIGNED.
01:37:53THAT DOESN'T HELP HIS PLAN OR
01:37:55THE UNITY OF CANADA IF BOTH
01:37:57SIDES ARE FRUSTRATED WITH WHAT THEY WERE TOLD WOULD HAPPEN.
01:38:00>> Rosemary: EMILIE, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THINGS?
01:38:03>> I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND IN ANY
01:38:06OTHER ASPECT OF OUR LIVES THAT
01:38:10ISN'T RELATED TO POLITICS IF
01:38:15SOMEBODY WOULD BE SAYING WE ARE
01:38:16GOING TO DO THIS, THIS IS OF A
01:38:19PRIORITY IMPORTANCE FOR US THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT AND I
01:38:23NEED TO BE DONE HEARING WHAT YOU
01:38:25HAVE TO SAY ABOUT MY PRIOR MADE
01:38:29DECISION TO DO IT IN A YEAR.
01:38:30BUT THAT CONSULTATION OF YOUR
01:38:33POINT OF VIEW IS MEANINGFUL.
01:38:35AND IT'S SORT OF THE WAY WE'VE
01:38:37BEEN OPERATING WITH THIS AND I
01:38:39DO UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE OF
01:38:42FIRST NATIONS WHO FEEL LIKE BILL
01:38:44C-5 AND NOW THE PROPOSED
01:38:47BUILDING CANADA STRONG BILL IS ESSENTIALLY MAKING A FARCE OUT
01:38:51OF CONSULTING WITH FIRST
01:38:56NATIONS.
01:38:56THE GOAL IS TO BUILD AND YOU'RE
01:39:00ESSENTIALLY TREATING CONSULTATIONS WITH FIRST NATION
01:39:03AS SOME SORT OF A PAPERWORK THAT NEEDS TO GET THROUGH.
01:39:07YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ISSUES OF SOVEREIGNTY BEING RAISED AND
01:39:10THAT'S UNAVOIDABLE. IT'S ALSO PART OF THE HISTORY OF
01:39:13THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S WITH MARK
01:39:16CARNEY HIMSELF WHO DREW SOME
01:39:18PARALLELS ON A YOUTUBE VIDEO RECENTLY BETWEEN WHAT HE IS
01:39:22DOING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO BUILD MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE
01:39:25ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WHAT JOHN
01:39:28A. MACDONALD TRIED TO ACHIEVE IN
01:39:29HIS TIMES. OBVIOUSLY THOSE ARE VERY
01:39:33DIFFERENT TIMES AND THE METHODS HAVE EVOLVED.
01:39:35I CANNOT NAME A PERIOD OF TIME IN CANADA WHERE WE'VE BEEN
01:39:39TRYING TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE REALLY FAST THAT HASN'T BEEN AT
01:39:43THE EXPENSE OF FIRST NATIONS' RIGHTS.
01:39:45SO I THINK WE'RE GOING THROUGH A
01:39:48MOMENT LIKE THIS RIGHT NOW AND
01:39:51I'M CAREFUL NOW IN TERMS OF WATCHING LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF
01:39:55TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THE RED TAPE AND THINGS THAT SOUND LIKE UNCERTAINTY.
01:39:59THAT VOCABULARY IS USED IN
01:40:00BUSINESS CIRCLES AS A WAY TO
01:40:03NAME HUMAN RIGHTS OF FIRST NATIONS AND FIRST NATIONS'
01:40:06RIGHTS AS A PESKY JUST
01:40:12BUREAUCRATIC CONCERNS RATHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE.
01:40:16AND I AM ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO WATCH FOR THAT VOCABULARY THAT
01:40:19IS USED AS A WAY TO AVOID SAYING
01:40:23THAT INDIGENOUS RIGHTS ARE SEEN
01:40:24IN THIS COUNTRY VERY MUCH AS A
01:40:27WAY TO HARM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
01:40:30AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CASES IN
01:40:33WHICH WE'RE SEEING THIS.
01:40:36>> Rosemary: ROB, ON THE PROJECT
01:40:44BUILT WITH PRIVATE CAPITAL. IT NO LONGER SEEMS TO BE A PRIORITY.
01:40:48>> WELL, AND I THINK THE HOPE IS
01:40:50THAT AS THIS MOVES ALONG AND AS
01:40:53THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL UNCERTAINTY AROUND THIS PROJECT
01:40:55THAT YOU WILL START TO SEE THAT. TRANS MOUNTAIN CORPORATION IS A
01:40:59CROWN CORPORATION. YOU HAVE THE PEMBINA PIPELINE CORPORATION INVOLVED IN THIS.
01:41:03SO THERE IS THAT SIDE OF IT, BUT I THINK ALSO TO SEE NOT JUST
01:41:07WITH THE PIPELINE ITSELF BUT THE
01:41:09PRIVATE SECTOR COMMITMENTS TO INCREASING PRODUCTION AND THE
01:41:12PRIVATE SECTOR COMMITS TO FILLING THIS PIPELINE AND ALSO
01:41:15SEEING THE PRIVATE SECTOR COMMITTING TO INVOLVEMENT AND TO
01:41:18MOVING FORWARD WITH PATHWAYS AS WAS ALLUDED TO.
01:41:21SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND EVERYTHING
01:41:24ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THERE ARE
01:41:26VARYING LEVELS OF PRIVATE SECTOR INVOLVEMENT.
01:41:29ALL IN ALL IT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
01:41:32TRANS MOUNTAIN HAD GOVERNMENT BACKING. IT'S CERTAINLY PAYING DIVIDENDS
01:41:36NOW THAT IT'S OPERATIONAL AND FILLING UP QUICKLY AND THAT'S
01:41:38SEEN AS A MODEL. BUT HOW DO YOU REDUCE THAT
01:41:42TAXPAYER EXPOSURE?
01:41:44IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOAD
01:41:46THE PIPELINE AFTER TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
01:41:50A LOT OF THIS IS LET'S GET THIS GOING AND FIGURE IT OUT AFTER
01:41:53THE FACT. THERE IS A RISK, NOT JUST
01:41:56ECONOMIC BUT POLITICAL THAT THAT APPROACH ENTAILS. >> Rosemary: OKAY.
01:42:00THANK YOU GUYS. LOTS OF MEATY CONVERSATIONS FOR
01:42:04A SUNDAY MORNING. MARIE, EMILIE, AND ROB.
01:42:07I'LL SEE YOU LATER AND TOMORROW
01:42:09NIGHT ON SET FOR THE ELECTION.
01:42:11THANKS FOR SPENDING PART OF YOUR SUNDAY WITH US.
01:42:14WE APPRECIATE IT. >>> TRUMP'S TRADE REPRESENTATIVE
01:42:17SAYS ISSUES WITH CANADA REMAIN HARD TO RESOLVE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE
01:42:21PROSPECT OF A DEAL?
01:42:23WISCONSIN CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN
01:42:26MOORE JOINS ME NEXT WITH HER
01:42:28MESSAGE FOR THE TRUMP AD NISTRATION >> Annou
01:45:06[♪♪]
01:45:14>> Rosemary: DONALD TRUMP'S TOP
01:45:15TRADE NEGOTIATOR SAYS THE U.S.
01:45:18REMAINS OPEN TO A DEAL WITH
01:45:20CANADA, BUT THERE IS NO SIGN OF
01:45:23THAT HAPPENING ANY TIME SOON. >> WE CERTAINLY HAVE TECHNICAL
01:45:25TALKS WITH CANADIANS. THE REALITY IS THERE ARE A
01:45:29HANDFUL OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES
01:45:30THAT ARE QUITE DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE. >> Rosemary: JAMIESON GREER MADE
01:45:34THOSE COMMENTS AT THE END OF A
01:45:37G20 TRADE MINISTERS' MEETING
01:45:39THAT WAS IN MILWAUKEE LAST WEEK.
01:45:41CANADA'S MINISTER OF
01:45:44INTERNATIONAL TRADE SIDHU MET
01:45:46WITH GREER AND HIGHLIGHTED THE
01:45:49NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
01:45:51WISCONSIN CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN
01:45:54MOORE REPRESENTS A DISTRICT IN MILWAUKEE.
01:45:56I SPOKE TO HER ON FRIDAY.
01:46:00CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN MOORE, NICE TO SEE YOU.
01:46:02THANKS SO MUCH FOR MAKING THE TIME. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
01:46:05>> Rosemary: CANADA'S TRADE
01:46:07MINISTER WAS IN MILWAUKEE FOR
01:46:11THAT TRADE G20 AND HE SAID HE
01:46:13WAS APPROACHED BY THIS GROUP OF
01:46:15AUTO WORKERS AT A COFFEE SHOP.
01:46:18THEY SAW THAT HE HAD HIS CANADA
01:46:20FLAG PIN ON AND ASKED HIM ABOUT MOVING PAST THIS TRADE WAR.
01:46:24THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME THAT PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT
01:46:26SORT OF OUT IN THE WILD AND I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU'RE HEARING
01:46:29FROM WORKERS IN MILWAUKEE OR IN WISCONSIN.
01:46:32>> WELL, ACTUALLY, THOSE LABOUR
01:46:36LEADERS WITH THE UNITED AUTO
01:46:38WORKERS ACTUALLY TO MY OFFICE YESTERDAY AS WELL AND THEY'RE
01:46:42VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE
01:46:49USMCA, QUITE FRANKLY, BUT THEY'RE ALSO CONCERNED IN A
01:46:53UNITARY WAY ABOUT THE TRADE WAR
01:46:55THAT WE'VE EXECUTED AGAINST CANADA.
01:46:58IT'S BROUGHT A LOT OF CONFUSION
01:47:00AND OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF
01:47:04CONSTERNATION WITH REGARD TO THE
01:47:07INTEGRATION THAT WE'VE COME
01:47:09ACCUSTOMED TO WITH CANADA, SOMETHING THAT HAS STABILIZED
01:47:13PRICES, STABILIZED EXPECTATIONS.
01:47:18AND THEY WERE SORT OF SCRATCHING THEIR HEADS AS TO WHY WE ARE
01:47:21HAVING A TRADE WAR WITH CANADA. >> Rosemary: YEAH, I MEAN THERE
01:47:25IS A LOT OF HEAD SCRATCHING GOINGEN HERE AS WELL, CONGRESSWOMAN.
01:47:29YOU POSTED ON X TO URGE THE
01:47:31ADMINISTRATION TO SEIZE THE MOMENT TO ABANDON WHAT YOU CALL
01:47:35ITS SENSELESS TRADE WAR. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY
01:47:39PROGRESS MADE AT THAT G20 TRADE MEETING.
01:47:41WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU ABOUT THE STATE OF PLAY AT THIS MOMENT
01:47:45BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES?
01:47:47>> WELL, I TELL YOU AT THE
01:47:50BEGINNING OF THIS REVIEW PERIOD
01:47:52FOR THE USMCA, IT DOES NOT BODE
01:47:56WELL THAT THE NEGOTIATE WHO
01:47:58NEGOTIATED THE USMCA TO NOW BE
01:48:01ABANDONING IT IN PREFERENCE FOR
01:48:03HIS TRADE TARIFF WAR ANALYSIS OF
01:48:08THE ECONOMY.
01:48:10YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE
01:48:18SO-CALLED 338 TARIFFS THAT THE
01:48:22PRESIDENT HAS IMPOSED ON CANADA,
01:48:24LOOKING BACK TO WHAT I THINK A
01:48:271933 AUTHORITY THAT CONGRESS
01:48:34DELEGATED TO THE PRESIDENT TO BE
01:48:35ABILLE TO IMPOSE AGAINST COUNTRS
01:48:39THAT DISCRIMINATED AGAINST THEM.
01:48:42THAT'S ABOUT $27.6 BILLION WORTH
01:48:52CANADIANS HAVE ARE SAID THEY ARE
01:48:55GOING TO COME BACK DOLLAR FOR
01:48:58DOLLAR TO RESPOND TO THOSE TRADE TARIFFS.
01:49:02SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M
01:49:05LOOKING TOWARD GETTING A NEW MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AT LEAST IN
01:49:08THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
01:49:11WE NEED TO LOOK TOWARDS
01:49:15MODIFYING OR CLAWING BACK SOME
01:49:18OF THAT AUTHORITY UNDER SECTION 338. >> Rosemary: YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY
01:49:21RUNNING IN THOSE MIDTERMS AND I THINK THERE IS SOME HOPE IN
01:49:24CANADA THAT THE MIDTERMS COULD CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT AND
01:49:28PERHAPS THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT THERE COULD BE A WAY TO INFLUENCE THE TRADE WAR.
01:49:32WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE IF IT WERE TO COME TO FRUITION AFTER THE MIDTERMS?
01:49:35>> WELL, I MEAN, FOR ONE THING,
01:49:39IF WE COULD SEND A SIGNAL
01:49:43BECAUSE THIS MAN WILL BE THE PRESIDENT FOR TWO MORE YEARS,
01:49:46BUT IF WE COULD SEND A SIGNAL TO
01:49:49CANADA THAT WE WERE, IN FACT,
01:49:51TRYING TO REPAIR IT, THAT WOULD
01:49:55BE VERY HELPFUL. IT WOULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME
01:49:58GUIDANCE TO OUR STATE DEPARTMENT.
01:50:14WERE -- IF CANADA SAW THAT WE WERE FIGHTING BACK. >> Rosemary: CONGRESSWOMAN, I
01:50:18UNDERSTAND -- THE ECONOMY IS NOT GREAT IN THE UNITED STATES.
01:50:21I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT AND
01:50:24CERTAINLY DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATINGS AREN'T GREAT EITHER.
01:50:28IS THE TRADE WAR PART OF THE
01:50:30MIDTERM CONVERSATION OR IS IT REALLY A LOT MORE ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND COST OF LIVING
01:50:33OR ARE THE TWO CONNECTED IN ANY
01:50:36WAY IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE HEARING?
01:50:39? .
01:50:49THE IMPACT THIS IS HAVING ON
01:50:51THEIR WINE, BUT RIGHT HERE IN
01:50:53WISCONSIN, AN ESTIMATED $5.5
01:50:56BILLION SINCE JANUARY HAS COST
01:51:00OUR -- WISCONSIN AND OUR
01:51:03TAXPAYERS $5.5 BILLION.
01:51:05AND SO SPEAKING FOR US, THIS IS
01:51:08LIKE OVER $2,000 PER HOUSEHOLD
01:51:15AND THIS IS JUST SINCE JANUARY.
01:51:17$525 MILLION IN ADDITIONAL TARIFFS PAID JUST SINCE JANUARY
01:51:20AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING
01:51:22FROM LAWNMOWERS TO MOTORCYCLES
01:51:25TO APPLIANCES.
01:51:27AND I HAVEN'T EVEN MENTIONED THE IMPACT THAT THIS IS HAVING ON
01:51:31OUR FARMERS. I DON'T REPRESENT AN AGRICULTURAL PORTION OF THE
01:51:34STATE, BUT WISCONSIN IS AN AGRICULTURAL STATE. >> Rosemary: YEAH, OF COURSE.
01:51:37>> AND OUR FARMERS ARE SCREAMING.
01:51:40>> Rosemary: DO YOU -- JUST THIS WEEK, DONALD TRUMP CALLED
01:51:44CANADIAN LEADERS VERY BAD AND
01:51:46PETER NAVARRO WHO ADVISES HIM
01:51:50SAID ALL SORTS OF THINGS TOO. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE
01:51:53PRESIDENT WANTS A DEAL WITH CANADA, CONGRESSWOMAN?
01:51:57>> IT IS NOT REALLY CLEAR THAT
01:51:59HE WANTS A A DEAL WITH CANADA OR
01:52:02WITH MEXICO. AGAIN, ONE OF HIS SIGNATURE
01:52:06ACCOMPL ACCOMPLISHMENTS AT LEAST HE
01:52:09CLAIMED WAS EXECUTING --
01:52:11IMPLEMENTING THE USMCA AND NOW
01:52:14HE SEEMS TO BE WALKING AWAY FROM
01:52:17IT COMPLETELY.
01:52:21AND I THINK HE IS -- THIS MAN IS REALLY COMMITTED TO THE NOTIONS
01:52:25OF TARIFFS. AND I THINK WHAT WE DON'T KNOW
01:52:28IS TO WHAT EXTENT THESE TARIFFS ARE BENEFITTING HIM PERSONALLY.
01:52:32I KNOW IT'S NOT BENEFITTING
01:52:35WISCONSINITES AT ALL. >> Rosemary: CONGRESSWOMAN GWEN
01:52:38MOORE, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TIME FOR CANADA TODAY. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. [♪♪
01:55:18>> Rosemary: REMEMBER, YOU CAN FOLLOW ALL THE ELECTION NIGHT
01:55:22ACTION HERE IN QUEBEC RIGHT HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK.
01:55:25I WILL BE PART OF THE COVERAGE.
01:55:27YOU CAN JOIN CBC MONTREAL HOST
01:55:29DEBRA ARBEC AND HER TEAM TO
01:55:33BRING YOU THE UP TO THE MINUTE RESULTS.
01:55:36THERE WILL BE LOTS OF ANALYSIS AS THAT NIGHT UNFOLDS.
01:55:39FIVE PARTIES IN CONTENTION, NONE OF THEM GETTING MORE THAN 30% OF
01:55:43THE VOTE IN POPULAR OPINION POLLS.
01:55:44THE COVERAGE KICKS OFF AT 7:30
01:55:47P.M. EASTERN.
01:55:50YOU CAN WATCH IT ON CBC NEWS NETWORK, TV, ND >> You h