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00:00:26I'm Adrian Arceneaux, chief correspondent for CBC News. Here's what's making news right now.
00:00:34AMBULANCE. THE U.S. COAST GUARD HAS THE U.S. COAST GUARD HAS PROVIDED. AN UPDATE SAYING THE
00:00:37PROVIDED. AN UPDATE SAYING THE SEARCH IS ONGOING.
00:00:38SEARCH IS ONGOING. SEARCHERS DISCOVERED A DEBRIS
00:00:42SEARCHERS DISCOVERED A DEBRIS FIELD YESTERDAY.
00:00:44FIELD YESTERDAY. THE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN FLYING TO THE AIRCRAFT HAD BEEN FLYING TO BOSTON FROM BERMUDA FOUR
00:00:48BOSTON FROM BERMUDA FOUR CANADIANS AMONG THE SIX PEOPLE CANADIANS AMONG THE SIX PEOPLE ON BOARD.
00:00:52ON BOARD. CBC'S MICHELLE SONG HAS BEEN CBC'S MICHELLE SONG HAS BEEN TRACKING THE LATEST.
00:00:55TRACKING THE LATEST. WHAT DID WE LEARN? WHAT DID WE LEARN? >> Reporter: THE U.S. COAST
00:00:59>> Reporter: THE U.S. COAST GUARD SAYS THEIR PRIORITY IS TO GUARD SAYS THEIR PRIORITY IS TO FIND THOSE SIX PEOPLE WHO WERE
00:01:02FIND THOSE SIX PEOPLE WHO WERE ON BOARD THAT FLIGHT. ON BOARD THAT FLIGHT. THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE NOTIFIED
00:01:05THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE NOTIFIED THE NEXT OF KIN OF THE PROGRESS
00:01:07THE NEXT OF KIN OF THE PROGRESS SO FAR INTO THE SEARCH.
00:01:11SO FAR INTO THE SEARCH. FOUR MISSING ARE CANADIAN.
00:01:13FOUR MISSING ARE CANADIAN. TWO ARE BERMUDA NATIONALS. TWO ARE BERMUDA NATIONALS. THEY WOULDN'T IDENTIFY
00:01:17THEY WOULDN'T IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS OUT OF RESPECT FOR INDIVIDUALS OUT OF RESPECT FOR THEIR FAMILIES PRIVACY.
00:01:20THEIR FAMILIES PRIVACY. THE COAST GUARD WAS ASKED TO THE COAST GUARD WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE FOR
00:01:23PROVIDE A SPECIFIC TIMELINE FOR HOW MUCH LONGER THEY WILL HOW MUCH LONGER THEY WILL CONTINUE THE SEARCH.
00:01:26CONTINUE THE SEARCH. TAKE A LISTEN.
00:01:28TAKE A LISTEN. >> WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEARCH AND
00:01:31>> WE'LL CONTINUE TO SEARCH AND SATURATE THE AREA UNTIL WE'RE AT SATURATE THE AREA UNTIL WE'RE AT THE POINT WE'RE CONFIDENT IF
00:01:34THE POINT WE'RE CONFIDENT IF THERE'S SURVIVORS REMAINING WE THERE'S SURVIVORS REMAINING WE WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM.
00:01:37WOULD HAVE FOUND THEM. IT IS RATHER LARGE AREA TO IT IS RATHER LARGE AREA TO SEARCH.
00:01:40SEARCH. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ASSETS WHERE
00:01:42WE HAVE SUFFICIENT ASSETS WHERE WE ARE SATURATING THE AREA
00:01:45WE ARE SATURATING THE AREA HOPING TO THE FIND THEM. HOPING TO THE FIND THEM. >> Reporter: THEY DID FIND AND
00:01:48>> Reporter: THEY DID FIND AND CONFIRM THE DEBRIS IS PART OF CONFIRM THE DEBRIS IS PART OF THE AIR AMBULANCE BUT THEY SAY
00:01:51THE AIR AMBULANCE BUT THEY SAY BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS,
00:01:54BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DEBRIS, THEY COULDN'T GET INTO THE THEY COULDN'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS ABOUT IT AND WHAT WAS
00:01:57SPECIFICS ABOUT IT AND WHAT WAS RECOVERED OR HOW MANY ITEMS THEY RECOVERED OR HOW MANY ITEMS THEY FOUND.
00:02:00FOUND. THEY SAID THIS THEY HAVE THEY SAID THIS THEY HAVE SAFEGUARDED THE DEBRIS FOR THAT
00:02:03SAFEGUARDED THE DEBRIS FOR THAT WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT WIDER INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED INTO THE FLIGHT.
00:02:06HAPPENED INTO THE FLIGHT. THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO RECOVER THEY ARE STILL TRYING TO RECOVER A BLACK BOX AS THEY SAY THEY
00:02:09A BLACK BOX AS THEY SAY THEY HAVE YET TO FIND THAT. HAVE YET TO FIND THAT. >> Linda: THAT WILL BE KEY
00:02:12>> Linda: THAT WILL BE KEY TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS HAPPENED IN THE LEAD UP TO THIS PLANE GOING MISSING.
00:02:16PLANE GOING MISSING. DID THEY GIVE US ANY INFORMATION DID THEY GIVE US ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?
00:02:20ABOUT THAT? >> Reporter: THEY DON'T HAVE >> Reporter: THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
00:02:23MUCH ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION. THE INVESTIGATION. THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE
00:02:26THEY SAID THAT RIGHT NOW THE PRIORITY REALLY IS THE PRIORITY REALLY IS THE SEARCH-AND-RESCUE.
00:02:29SEARCH-AND-RESCUE. I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK INTO I WANT TO TAKE YOU BACK INTO WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE
00:02:32WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT BEFORE THE FLIGHT WENT DOWN.
00:02:33FLIGHT WENT DOWN. THIS FLIGHT WAS HEADING TO
00:02:36THIS FLIGHT WAS HEADING TO BOSTON FROM BERMUDA TRANSPORTING BOSTON FROM BERMUDA TRANSPORTING A PATIENT AND THEIR FAMILY
00:02:39A PATIENT AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBER.
00:02:41MEMBER. AROUND 1:30 SATURDAY MORNING THE
00:02:45AROUND 1:30 SATURDAY MORNING THE JET LOST CONTACT WITH FLIGHT
00:02:49JET LOST CONTACT WITH FLIGHT DATA CONTROL. DATA CONTROL. THE AIRCRAFT DROPPED FROM AN ALL
00:02:52THE AIRCRAFT DROPPED FROM AN ALL THE ATTITUDE OF 24,000 FEET TO
00:02:55THE ATTITUDE OF 24,000 FEET TO 11,000 FEET AND THEN LEVELED OFF 11,000 FEET AND THEN LEVELED OFF BEFORE IT VANISHED.
00:03:00BEFORE IT VANISHED. A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NANTUCKET A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE NANTUCKET MEMORIAL AIRPORT SAID THE FLIGHT
00:03:04MEMORIAL AIRPORT SAID THE FLIGHT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY BEFORE IT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY BEFORE IT LOST CONTACT.
00:03:07LOST CONTACT. HERE'S A BIT OF AUDIO OF AIR HERE'S A BIT OF AUDIO OF AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ASKING ANOTHER
00:03:11TRAFFIC CONTROL ASKING ANOTHER AIRCRAFT FOR HELP.
00:03:13AIRCRAFT FOR HELP. >> WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE IF
00:03:18>> WHEN YOU LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S AN AIRCRAFT OUT THERE.
00:03:21THERE'S AN AIRCRAFT OUT THERE. >> Reporter: STILL SO MANY >> Reporter: STILL SO MANY QUESTIONS, LINDA, INTO WHAT
00:03:25QUESTIONS, LINDA, INTO WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE FLIGHT. HAPPENED BEFORE THE FLIGHT. THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS
00:03:27THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS THEY ARE IN TOUCH WITH THE THEY ARE IN TOUCH WITH THE AUTHORITIES ON THE GROUND AND AUTHORITIES ON THE GROUND AND THEY ARE
00:03:37EMERGING FROM THE AUTHORITIES IN THE UAE WHO ARE LEADING THIS
00:03:42THE UAE WHO ARE LEADING THIS INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THEY
00:03:45IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIME THEY HAVE USED THE WORD TERRORISM IN
00:03:46HAVE USED THE WORD TERRORISM IN RELATION TO THIS INCIDENT.
00:03:49ACCORDING TO REUTERS AND THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, THE UAE ASSOCIATED PRESS, THE UAE PROSECUTOR GENERAL SAID THE
00:03:52PROSECUTOR GENERAL SAID THE COPILOT OF FLY DUBAI 1073 TRY TO
00:03:56COPILOT OF FLY DUBAI 1073 TRY TO TAKE CONTROL OF THE PLANE AND TAKE CONTROL OF THE PLANE AND CARRY OUT A TERRORIST ATTACK
00:03:59CARRY OUT A TERRORIST ATTACK WHICH WE NOW KNOW WAS THWARTED
00:04:01WHICH WE NOW KNOW WAS THWARTED BY THE PASSENGERS WHO INTERVENE.
00:04:07BY THE PASSENGERS WHO INTERVENE. INVESTIGATORS ARE STILL COMBING INVESTIGATORS ARE STILL COMBING THROUGH EVIDENCE AND WORKING TO
00:04:11THROUGH EVIDENCE AND WORKING TO ESTABLISH A MOTIVE. ESTABLISH A MOTIVE. THE UAE HASN'T NAMED THE SUSPECT
00:04:14THE UAE HASN'T NAMED THE SUSPECT BUT MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS BUT MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE.
00:04:17HAVE. THEY SAY HE IS A NATIONAL OF
00:04:20THEY SAY HE IS A NATIONAL OF OMAN. OMAN. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SAYS HE HAD
00:04:24THE ASSOCIATED PRESS SAYS HE HAD PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR OMAN AIR PREVIOUSLY WORKED FOR OMAN AIR BUT HAD BEEN REMOVED OF A -- AS
00:04:28BUT HAD BEEN REMOVED OF A -- AS A PILOT BECAUSE OF HIS EXTREMIST A PILOT BECAUSE OF HIS EXTREMIST VIEWS.
00:04:32VIEWS. THAT LEAVES BIG QUESTIONS FOR THAT LEAVES BIG QUESTIONS FOR FLY DUBAI ABOUT HOW THEY VETTED
00:04:35FLY DUBAI ABOUT HOW THEY VETTED HIM AND HOW HE WAS ALLOWED TO HIM AND HOW HE WAS ALLOWED TO FLY ON A ROUTE TO ISRAEL.
00:04:38FLY ON A ROUTE TO ISRAEL. ISRAEL DOES NOT ALLOW PILOTS
00:04:40ISRAEL DOES NOT ALLOW PILOTS INTO ITS AIRSPACE IF THEY COME
00:04:43INTO ITS AIRSPACE IF THEY COME FROM COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE FROM COUNTRIES THAT DON'T HAVE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL
00:04:46DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH ISRAEL AND THAT INCLUDES OMAN. AND THAT INCLUDES OMAN. THE UAE'S PROSECUTOR GENERAL
00:04:50THE UAE'S PROSECUTOR GENERAL ALSO REVEALED THE WEAPON THAT ALSO REVEALED THE WEAPON THAT WAS USED.
00:04:53WAS USED. IT WAS A CRASH ASK.
00:04:54IT WAS A CRASH ASK. WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT CAN LOOK
00:04:57WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE. LIKE. THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE FLY THIS IS THE ONE FROM THE FLY DUBAI PLANE.
00:05:01DUBAI PLANE. IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT KIND OF IT ILLUSTRATES WHAT KIND OF WEAPON WAS USED.
00:05:04WEAPON WAS USED. THEY ARE FOUND IN THE COCKPITS
00:05:06THEY ARE FOUND IN THE COCKPITS OF PLANES FOR EMERGENCIES. OF PLANES FOR EMERGENCIES. IF A PLANE OR TO CRASH AND THE
00:05:10IF A PLANE OR TO CRASH AND THE DOORS OR WINDOWS WERE STUCK THAN DOORS OR WINDOWS WERE STUCK THAN A CRASH ASK COULD BE USED TO
00:05:14A CRASH ASK COULD BE USED TO BREAK THEM DOWN AND HELP PILOTS
00:05:15BREAK THEM DOWN AND HELP PILOTS ESCAPE THE COCKPIT.
00:05:19ESCAPE THE COCKPIT. IT COULD BE REVIEWED AFTER THIS
00:05:23IT COULD BE REVIEWED AFTER THIS INCIDENT.
00:05:26INCIDENT. IT BECAME THE PRACTICE AFTER
00:05:28IT BECAME THE PRACTICE AFTER 9/11 BUT AFTER THIS CASE, THE
00:05:309/11 BUT AFTER THIS CASE, THE PASSENGER SURVIVED AND THE
00:05:32PASSENGER SURVIVED AND THE CAPTAIN WAS ABLE TO UNLOCK THE
00:05:35CAPTAIN WAS ABLE TO UNLOCK THE COCKPIT AND ALLOW THE PASSENGERS COCKPIT AND ALLOW THE PASSENGERS TO COME TO HIS AID.
00:05:38TO COME TO HIS AID. IF HE HAD BEEN UNABLE TO DO THAT
00:05:42It is absolutely shocking that the people on this plane
00:05:45survived.
00:05:47Look, this is video taken by a
00:05:50passenger. Pure panic onboard fly Dubai flight 1073 after the
00:05:54copilot of the plane allegedly stabbed the pilot. The entire
00:05:59plane at this point at grave risk of crashing and everyone
00:06:03was screaming, there were children crying.
00:06:06Except a whole series of things happen. Highly improbable,
00:06:10almost impossible, it seems to me
00:06:14as a commercial.
00:06:19All of these incredible things together end up saving
00:06:23everybody's life against all odds. And I'm going to show you
00:06:26how
00:06:31there were more than 170 people on board this flight,
00:06:35which is a daily flight running from Dubai International in the
00:06:39United Arab Emirates to Ben Gurion International near Tel
00:06:43Aviv in Israel. This is what that flight path normally looks
00:06:47like. It's about a three hour flight,
00:06:49except on September 30th, things would take a very abrupt
00:06:53turn here. But when I say abrupt turn,
00:06:56I don't mean left or right, I mean down.
00:06:59At around 8:21 AM local time over Saudi airspace,
00:07:02the plane lost altitude more than 17,
00:07:05000 feet in under a minute and it speed up dramatically as it
00:07:10pitched towards the earth
00:07:14Jordanian border. Suddenly the aircraft dropped a massive
00:07:18massive turbulence for 2030 seconds. We know now what was
00:07:22happening around this time was the planes copilot allegedly
00:07:26attacking the planes captain nearly killing him. The
00:07:30struggle beginning after he stabbed the other pilot and
00:07:34sent the jet plunging thousands of meters in just seconds. At
00:07:38this point, with the attacker taking
00:07:40control, potentially looking to crash
00:07:43the plane, the only way that people on
00:07:46board survive is if the captain survives. And improbably,
00:07:50he does. This is him, Captain Smith Matcha from India.
00:07:53He somehow manages to survive a surprise attack from an armed
00:07:58assailant in close quarters while flying a plane. But he's
00:08:02down and in a real bad way. One of the passengers,
00:08:05a dentist would later tell CNN. Much other suffered massive
00:08:09blood loss, was severely wounded. He was
00:08:12covered in cuts, his head,
00:08:14his hands, they were practically sliced
00:08:16open, almost severed in two.
00:08:18Historically when 1 pilot turns on the other. There are clear
00:08:23examples where this ends in disaster for everybody on board.
00:08:27In 2015, Germanwings flight 9525,
00:08:29the copilot locks the captain out of the cockpit when he
00:08:33leaves to use the bathroom. He then manually steers the plane
00:08:37into a rapid descent, crashing into the French Alps.
00:08:41Everybody on board dies. Or just a couple years before that,
00:08:45in 2013, same thing, except this time it's the
00:08:48captain on a flight from Mozambique who locks the
00:08:51copilot out of the cockpit. He crashes the plane into a
00:08:55National Park in Namibia, once again killing everybody on
00:08:59board. But this time, Captain Matcha survives the
00:09:02attack from his copilot and manages to do one other
00:09:05incredible thing that's single handedly triggers a series of
00:09:09events that keep that plane in the air.
00:09:17So imagine the copilot is believed to have attacked the
00:09:21captain with some sort of stabbing weapon,
00:09:24leaves him bleeding on the ground. I've seen multiple
00:09:28reports that he was so grievously wounded he was on
00:09:32the verge of passing out completely even that he did at
00:09:35one point, but just before he did he
00:09:38somehow unlocks the cockpit door. They redesigned airplanes
00:09:42to, in fact, create
00:09:44this impenetrable door between the cabin and the cockpit. That
00:09:48door remains locked from the incident. Problem with
00:09:51yesterday is that the threat did not come from the cabinet.
00:09:55This is the critical point at which the entire arc of this
00:09:58crisis pivots. It's where passengers begin to realize not
00:10:02just that something has gone terribly wrong,
00:10:05but that they can do something about it.
00:10:08The plane just started going up and down,
00:10:11says 1 passenger. We started hearing screams. The plane,
00:10:14according to those on board, nose dived at a sickening angle.
00:10:18Overhead bins popped open and luggage flew out. Other
00:10:22accounts spoke of incredible G forces almost pinning
00:10:25passengers to their seats as the plane itself plunged and
00:10:29leveled repeatedly. It was like the craziest Holocaust that you
00:10:33ever did, but like, multiplied by
00:10:36father. It felt like something really wrong is happening here.
00:10:40So for some passengers to have overcome this chaos and to have
00:10:44the instinct to burst into the cockpit to see what was wrong,
00:10:48Yet another incredible development,
00:10:51without which I don't know how this plane survives. Eventually,
00:10:55one man bursts in and grabs the assailant, the copilot,
00:10:59from behind. Yes,
00:11:03the first Beta beta message.
00:11:09That's one of the many heroes of this story. By all accounts,
00:11:13wrestling control of the plane from the alleged hijacker
00:11:17happened very quickly. The dentist I mentioned earlier,
00:11:21he says he tied the attacker up using headphone cords and
00:11:24plastic zip ties. He then started tending to the wounded
00:11:28pilot. He was in serious condition, not critical,
00:11:31perhaps, but serious due to the massive
00:11:34blood loss. And that would have looked like
00:11:38and a warn you this is the most graphic part of the story
00:11:41because it's at this point we have video of the state of the
00:11:45lanes captain as he's lying injured on the floor.
00:11:49But this was the scene you're looking at. 2 bloodied pilots
00:11:53on the floor on this passenger jet in mid air,
00:11:56passengers holding one of them down,
00:11:59treating the other. The reason I show that to you is because I
00:12:03want you to understand how unreal this all would have felt
00:12:07to everybody on board. And yet we have yet another improbable
00:12:11act from the very same passenger who claims to have
00:12:15subdued the attacker in the 1st place. He single handedly pulls
00:12:19the plane out of its nose dive.
00:12:22Uh,
00:12:25yeah.
00:12:27He would later reveal he learned that move from TV shows
00:12:31pulling on the pilot steering column,
00:12:33the yoke to pitch the planes nose up. They actually pull up
00:12:37the stick the the airplane stick. The plane was decreasing
00:12:41in very, very sharp angle. It is a
00:12:43tricky maneuver, you know, not normal or a commercial
00:12:46airliner to be in that flight position to be nose down at 600
00:12:50miles an hour. But even all this,
00:12:52as improbable as it all is put together,
00:12:55only leads to yet another impossible question.
00:12:59How do you land a plane when you have no pilot?
00:13:07In a normal emergency, if such a thing even exists,
00:13:11the pilot is doing more than just flying the plane and
00:13:14landing it. They are the planes eyes and ears,
00:13:18navigating weather patterns, how much fuel they've got left,
00:13:22and which runways are even available and safe. There was
00:13:26nothing but desert beneath US1 passenger told CNN. We feared
00:13:30being taken to an enemy country or landing in the middle of the
00:13:34desert. We didn't know who to trust. Now,
00:13:37if this were a Hollywood movie, the scripted stroke of luck
00:13:41here would be that someone on board is simply bold enough to
00:13:45do something like land a plane that they've never done before
00:13:49and it just happens to work out. But in real life,
00:13:53there just happened to be another set of pilots on board,
00:13:57an off duty British pilot along with another, together,
00:14:00a pair of relief pilots who were meant to fly the next
00:14:04flight
00:14:05was fortunate that they were on an airplane that had this extra
00:14:09deadheading crew, as we call it. You know,
00:14:12but to actually jump into a pilot seat when you've got
00:14:16another pilot next to you that potentially was suicidal and
00:14:20the captain of the aircraft neutralized as well was
00:14:24absolutely heroic action. Those 2 pilots took control of the
00:14:28plane, diverted to an airport not in
00:14:31Israel where they were originally going,
00:14:33but in nearby Saudi Arabia instead.
00:14:36Which interestingly is a country Israel has no formal
00:14:40diplomatic relations with, but that years ago did open its
00:14:44airspace. 2 passenger planes flying to and from Israel. So
00:14:48they had control of the plane and a safe runway to land on.
00:14:52But there was still one more problem. The plane was badly
00:14:56damaged. When I saw the images of the aircraft on the ground
00:15:00with the rudder section torn out,
00:15:02I immediately had a cold chill. If you've ever looked at the
00:15:06back of a plane,
00:15:08you know what that vertical tail looks like. But what's a
00:15:11little more subtle than that is the rudder,
00:15:14which is this movable flap that controls the side to side
00:15:17swinging of the lanes nose. It's basically stabilizing the
00:15:21plane. If you RIP that out, as you can see in these photos
00:15:24here of this fly Dubai flight shortly after emergency landing,
00:15:28you have two problems. 1 is that you're possibly bleeding
00:15:31hydraulic fluid out all over the place,
00:15:34which affects a whole bunch of other systems on the plane. But
00:15:38two,
00:15:39landing becomes more dangerous. Letters are the key element of
00:15:42aircraft stability, particularly at landing. And in
00:15:46this case the runner was not there. The airplane went
00:15:49through extensive aerodynamic shot. All of the experts I've
00:15:53heard on this believe it was the planes nosedive. We
00:15:56mentioned at the start that sudden steep descent that
00:16:00likely applied enormous aerodynamic forces to the tail,
00:16:03enough to RIP that part of the rudder right off. But somehow
00:16:07those two relief pilots
00:16:09managed to land the plane regardless,
00:16:15so now investigators have their work cut out for them. Why did
00:16:19this copilot hijack the plane, and what was he trying to do?
00:16:23Did he improvise the weapon he used,
00:16:26or did he smuggle it on board? And Speaking of getting on
00:16:29board, should intelligence or law
00:16:32enforcement officers have known to apprehend him before he got
00:16:36on that plane? Those answers will hopefully
00:16:39come with time, but all we know now is that
00:16:42this plane load of passengers somehow pulled off the
00:16:45impossible. The captain surviving A devastating attack,
00:16:49managing with his last sliver of consciousness to open the
00:16:52cockpit door, allowing passengers undergoing
00:16:55extreme G forces to storm that cockpit, subdue the attacker,
00:16:59pull the plane out of the nosedive just in time. And then
00:17:03they just happened to have a pair of pilots on hand who
00:17:06grabbed the controls, find a safe runway to land on,
00:17:09and manage to do so with a severely damaged rudder in a
00:17:13plane that no inspector would ever consider airworthy.
00:17:16I don't know what you call that, but as terrible and traumatic
00:17:21as it was for everyone involved, those folks undeniably got very,
00:17:26very lucky.
00:20:28The governor has entrusted my office with this investigation
00:20:32and we do not take that responsibility lightly. That's
00:20:35New York's attorney general now in charge of the investigation
00:20:39into an alleged gang rape at Cornell University. The alleged
00:20:432024 crime at a frat house at the Ivy League school is
00:20:46drawing outrage from around the world. New York's governor has
00:20:50appointed Letitia James to take the lead after saying she has
00:20:54lost faith in how the case has been handled. For many
00:20:58Canadians, the details of the Cornell case
00:21:00may sound familiar. Legal experts
00:21:02pointed out the parallels between it and the 2018 Hockey
00:21:06Canada case that was settled last year. So to dig deeper
00:21:09into what these similarities reveal has turned to Gillian
00:21:12Nature. She is a lawyer who has represented victims of sexual
00:21:16violence. Julian, appreciate you coming in and
00:21:19talk to us. Thank you. Appreciate the invitation. So
00:21:22you told CBC that this is more than a coincidence with the
00:21:25details we know so far. What do these cases have in common?
00:21:29I think that the parallels are overwhelming when you really
00:21:32just pair it back.
00:21:34They both started as nights out for young people. There was
00:21:38alcohol involved and started with a consensual encounter
00:21:42between two young people, but quickly spiraled out of
00:21:45control when a young woman found herself in a room heavily
00:21:49intoxicated and a young man, unbeknownst to her,
00:21:53invited a chat chat group full of men to come in and have sex
00:21:57with her. And I think that's in some ways just where the
00:22:01parallels begin. And so that's where the parallels
00:22:05again, and then they continue from,
00:22:07from what we know. You think I, I mean,
00:22:10I think that that the way that both victims,
00:22:13from what I understand, responded to what they endured
00:22:17in the aftermath are also strikingly similar and will
00:22:21sound extremely familiar to any woman who's ever endured any
00:22:26kind of sexual assault. I see this all the time in my
00:22:30practice where at first there's often a denial that sets in or
00:22:35desire to sort of
00:22:36minimize, normalize, regularize, believe you can put it behind
00:22:40you and just move on with your life. And as you process that
00:22:44experience and as the trauma becomes sort of too large
00:22:48internally to ignore, that is when the allegations
00:22:52come forth. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with legal
00:22:56allegations sort of that, that initial psychological
00:22:59response is so often used against these women. And when
00:23:03they do report
00:23:05laws different in Canada and the US,
00:23:08when it comes to all of that that you just laid out there,
00:23:11they're largely the same. New York has one particular
00:23:15exception, which is that,
00:23:18and I am not a New York lawyer, but if you consume alcohol
00:23:22voluntarily, then you cannot raise
00:23:24intoxication as something vitiated your consent shy of
00:23:28being blackout drunk. And to speak candidly,
00:23:31I think that's insane. It's the ultimate in a sort of blame the
00:23:35victim piece of legislation where essentially you're saying
00:23:39to young women, well, if you go out and get drunk,
00:23:43even though you're of age and it's legal to consume alcohol
00:23:47problem, that's your
00:23:48problem. You are responsible for what happens to you
00:23:51thereafter. Wow, OK. That that is a key
00:23:53difference. I did not realize both OEM and Jane Doe,
00:23:56they chose to pursue civil cases rather than criminal ones.
00:23:59Tell us why that that's significant. I think it's again
00:24:02in the in the hockey case. That's right. Of course,
00:24:05there's a different standard of proof. And so when you report
00:24:08allegations to the police and they choose to prosecute,
00:24:11they have to prove those allegations beyond a reasonable
00:24:14doubt. That's an incredibly high standard,
00:24:16very difficult to overcome. And so in all the hand wringing
00:24:20we've done over the years about how to secure better conviction
00:24:24rates and sexual assault, you know,
00:24:26the the criminal system does what it's intended to do. It's
00:24:30not a truth seeking process. It is designed to rigorously test
00:24:34evidence and decide if there's sufficient evidence to deprive
00:24:38somebody of their liberty in a criminal context. Civil cases
00:24:41sort of weigh the allegations and decide what is more likely
00:24:45than not true. And so all of the information that's come out
00:24:49with the text change both
00:24:51the night of and after the fact, which is which is the number.
00:24:55Another parallel between the Hockey Canada case and the
00:24:58Cornell case. People will be questioned on those. You get
00:25:02the fuller picture. And so it is very common for victims to
00:25:05pursue civil cases. What do you make of what we were learning
00:25:09today where a special prosecutor has been appointed
00:25:13to look into this Governor held a news conference and and where
00:25:17this may be going next? I think it's all the people in
00:25:20authority trying to
00:25:22Telegraph that they are taking these situations seriously. I
00:25:26don't have high hopes for our prosecution in the Cornell case,
00:25:30just like, candidly, I didn't have high hopes for a
00:25:34prosecution in the Hockey Canada case. Again,
00:25:37because you see these young women coping in this situation
00:25:42by fawning, by pleasing, by trying to, you know,
00:25:45avoid creating an immediate conflict that could potentially
00:25:50jeopardize their physical safety
00:25:52and by normalizing after the fact. And that's going to be
00:25:55the kiss of death when it comes to proving allegations beyond a
00:25:59reasonable doubt. Jillian, it was good of you to come in
00:26:02and talk to us about an important story. Thank you.
00:26:05Jillian Nachu is a lawyer and legal expert in gender based violence.
00:28:10NANTUCKET. IT IS THE LAST DAY OF
00:28:13IT IS THE LAST DAY OF CAMPAIGNING IN QUEBEC. CAMPAIGNING IN QUEBEC. AHEAD OF TOMORROW'S PROVINCIAL
00:28:17AHEAD OF TOMORROW'S PROVINCIAL ELECTION. ELECTION. THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY THE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY CROWDED WITH ALL PARTIES IN
00:28:21CROWDED WITH ALL PARTIES IN POSITION TO POTENTIALLY HAVE
00:28:23POSITION TO POTENTIALLY HAVE MEMBERS ELECTED FOR THE FIRST
00:28:30TIME IN MORE THAN 50 YEARS. ALEXANDRE SILBERMAN JOIN US NOW ALEXANDRE SILBERMAN JOIN US NOW FROM MONTREAL. FROM MONTREAL. WALK US THROUGH THE DIFFERENT
00:28:34WALK US THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PARTIES AND WHY THE PQ IS
00:28:37PARTIES AND WHY THE PQ IS GETTING TRACTION HERE? GETTING TRACTION HERE? >> Reporter: LINDA, LIKE YOU
00:28:40>> Reporter: LINDA, LIKE YOU SAID, AN INCREDIBLY CROWDED RACE SAID, AN INCREDIBLY CROWDED RACE WITH FIVE PARTIES LIKELY TO WIN
00:28:43WITH FIVE PARTIES LIKELY TO WIN SEATS IN THIS ELECTION.
00:28:45SEATS IN THIS ELECTION. YOU HAVE AT THE FRONT RUNNERS OF
00:28:47YOU HAVE AT THE FRONT RUNNERS OF THIS ALL THE P.Q. WITH NO MORE
00:28:50THIS ALL THE P.Q. WITH NO MORE THAN 30% IN THE POLLS. THAN 30% IN THE POLLS. REALLY CAPITALIZING ON THE
00:28:53REALLY CAPITALIZING ON THE STRONG DESIRE FROM A LOT OF STRONG DESIRE FROM A LOT OF QUEBEC VOTERS TO SEE CHANGE.
00:28:57QUEBEC VOTERS TO SEE CHANGE. THE PARTY'S LEADER PROMISING
00:29:02THE PARTY'S LEADER PROMISING FISCAL REFORM, PROTECTION OF THE
00:29:05FISCAL REFORM, PROTECTION OF THE FRENCH LANGUAGE ALSO THIRD
00:29:06FRENCH LANGUAGE ALSO THIRD REFERENDUM ON QUEBEC'S
00:29:10REFERENDUM ON QUEBEC'S SOVEREIGNTY. SOVEREIGNTY. DESPITE STRONG OPPOSITION IN
00:29:12DESPITE STRONG OPPOSITION IN QUEBEC, YOU HAVE ABOUT 70% OF QUEBEC, YOU HAVE ABOUT 70% OF QUEBECERS WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE
00:29:16QUEBECERS WHO DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER REFERENDUM.
00:29:17ANOTHER REFERENDUM. A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO LOOK
00:29:20A LOT OF PEOPLE WILLING TO LOOK PAST THAT CHANGE.
00:29:23PAST THAT CHANGE. THE C.A.Q. HAS BEEN IN THE C.A.Q. HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT IN THE PROVINCE FOR
00:29:26GOVERNMENT IN THE PROVINCE FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS.
00:29:28THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. THE PARTY'S CURRENT LEADER HAS
00:29:31THE PARTY'S CURRENT LEADER HAS STRUGGLED TO DISTANCE HERSELF STRUGGLED TO DISTANCE HERSELF FROM HOW DEEPLY POLITICALLY
00:29:34FROM HOW DEEPLY POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR THAT PARTY BECAME,
00:29:36UNPOPULAR THAT PARTY BECAME, ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END OF
00:29:40ESPECIALLY TOWARDS THE END OF FORMER PREMIER FRANCOIS LEGAULT
00:29:46FORMER PREMIER FRANCOIS LEGAULT TENURE. TENURE. WE SAW THINGS LIKE THE PARTY
00:29:49WE SAW THINGS LIKE THE PARTY REMOVING -- NOT PUTTING LOGO ON REMOVING -- NOT PUTTING LOGO ON CAMPAIGN SIGNS.
00:29:53CAMPAIGN SIGNS. TRYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO
00:29:54TRYING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO DISTANCE ITSELF AND REBRAND.
00:29:57DISTANCE ITSELF AND REBRAND. THAT RANT REALLY GOTTEN -- BUT THAT RANT REALLY GOTTEN -- BUT THAT HASN'T GOTTEN ACROSS.
00:30:01THAT HASN'T GOTTEN ACROSS. WE HAVE THE LIBERAL PARTY OF WE HAVE THE LIBERAL PARTY OF QUEBEC TRYING TO POSITION ITSELF
00:30:05QUEBEC TRYING TO POSITION ITSELF AS THE SOLELY FEDERALIST PARTY AS THE SOLELY FEDERALIST PARTY IN THIS RACE.
00:30:08IN THIS RACE. THEY USE THE TRADE WAR AS THE
00:30:11THEY USE THE TRADE WAR AS THE WAY TO DRAW IN VOTERS WHO WANT WAY TO DRAW IN VOTERS WHO WANT STRONGER COLLABORATION WITH
00:30:15STRONGER COLLABORATION WITH CANADA. CANADA. YOU HAVE TWO SMALLER PARTIES YOU HAVE TWO SMALLER PARTIES THAT ARE CONTENDERS THAT
00:30:19THAT ARE CONTENDERS THAT CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHICH IS CONSERVATIVE PARTY WHICH IS COMPETITIVE IN AROUND QUEBEC
00:30:22COMPETITIVE IN AROUND QUEBEC CITY. CITY. LEFT-LEANING STUDY WHICH IS
00:30:25LEFT-LEANING STUDY WHICH IS COMPETITIVE IN A HAND FULL OF COMPETITIVE IN A HAND FULL OF URBAN RIDINGS.
00:30:29URBAN RIDINGS. ALL THOSE PARTIES COMPETING WHAT ALL THOSE PARTIES COMPETING WHAT ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF VERY
00:30:32ARE GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF VERY CLOSE RACES. CLOSE RACES. >> Linda: THE FINAL PUSH IS ON >> Linda: THE FINAL PUSH IS ON FOR SURE.
00:30:36FOR SURE. THE LAST DAY OF THE CAMPAIGN. THE LAST DAY OF THE CAMPAIGN. WHAT ARE THE LEADERS UP TO
00:30:40WHAT ARE THE LEADERS UP TO TODAY? TODAY? >> Reporter: THERE'S A LOT WE >> Reporter: THERE'S A LOT WE CAN READ INTO AS FAR AS WHERE
00:30:44CAN READ INTO AS FAR AS WHERE THE LEADERS ARE TODAY. THE LEADERS ARE TODAY. YOU LOOK AT THE P.Q. YOU LOOK AT THE P.Q. THEY'VE.
00:30:47THEY'VE. CRISSCROSSING THE PROVINCE ON CRISSCROSSING THE PROVINCE ON THIS ALL OUT BLITZ HOPING THAT
00:30:50THIS ALL OUT BLITZ HOPING THAT EVEN WITH 30% OF THE VOTE JUST EVEN WITH 30% OF THE VOTE JUST BASED ON WHAT THE POLLS ARE
00:30:53BASED ON WHAT THE POLLS ARE SHOWING, THAT THEY CAN STILL SHOWING, THAT THEY CAN STILL MANAGE TO WIN A MAJORITY
00:30:57MANAGE TO WIN A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. THEY'RE ON THAT ALL OUT BLITZ THEY'RE ON THAT ALL OUT BLITZ RIGHT NOW.
00:31:01RIGHT NOW. CAMPAIGNING TODAY IN AROUND