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00:00:25hello of out there, my name is and you are
00:00:29on. to inside
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00:00:35but first is my thing for today and title
00:00:38beyond chimamanda
00:00:41of of son and healthcare system that is killing nigerians
00:00:44quietly. today i want
00:00:46to talk about
00:00:47of something that should be on the ballot in
00:00:49of 2027, in about four months we will have the elections
00:00:53and posters are already going hulk,
00:00:55of jingles are flooding the airwaves and politicians are
00:00:58of making promises of rescue and... but I want to
00:01:01ask today where is the health care in that
00:01:05conversation, because Nigeria cannot continue to treat
00:01:08of healthcare as a problem we only address when a famous
00:01:12person dies
00:01:14a or lose a loved
00:01:15of one. I have to read what Chimamanda Adished told the New
00:01:19York Times last week. She was asked if Nigeria still
00:01:23felt close to our heart. This was our answer and I quoted. My feelings
00:01:27towards Nigeria have changed. I don't want to go back to. Nigeria and
00:01:30quote, that sentence should stop this country and
00:01:34all of us in our tracks. This is woman who has
00:01:37of spend our entire career writing Nigeria into the world's
00:01:40imagination, and now Nigeria through its healthcare
00:01:44system as broken our
00:01:46of burnt,
00:01:46we don't. Let's be clear about this. This is bigger than one famous
00:01:50writer
00:01:51of Griving at Tudler. This is what ordinary Nigerians go
00:01:54of through every
00:01:55a day without notice and without justice. Let me give you a
00:01:59name. did not trend, i shout to uma, mother of five
00:02:03incarno, she died after surgical scissors were left inside our
00:02:07body after an operation
00:02:08in a government hospital in cano state, okay, this was
00:02:11confirmed, negligence and three personnel were
00:02:14suspended, so ask
00:02:17of how many
00:02:18a eyesatumas do we have who never make the news? we have a
00:02:22system
00:02:23of failure, of there are people that are
00:02:27in of dying regularly, do our hospitals have electricity, do they have have
00:02:30oxygen, emergency drugs at 2 a.m. can the
00:02:33patient
00:02:34of get their records when they need it? is there an independent body that
00:02:38diligently investigates complaints and when
00:02:41of negligence is proven is there justice
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00:02:45of indeed? and yes, people will
00:02:46in say, oh well, it happens everywhere in america and britain, well it
00:02:50does, but the difference is the
00:02:53of system of protects the people, that is why today i'm calling her, mr.
00:02:57president, the ministers of health and all the 36th
00:03:01of governors and the FCT minister on this
00:03:04me issue, Mr.
00:03:05me President, your renewed hope agenda cannot succeed if the
00:03:09hospitals
00:03:09of that are supposed to keep Nigerians alive are places where
00:03:13hope dies. You need to set
00:03:16of this of as national
00:03:18of priority. Now these are important things that I think we can do, five things to
00:03:22change the
00:03:22of situation. Number one, we
00:03:24of should stop counting buildings and start counting
00:03:27functionality when we talk about health. number two, we should
00:03:31make human capital the central reform, train
00:03:35people, pay them well and keep them in the
00:03:38of system. number three, we
00:03:40of should build a patient safety system where a market
00:03:44woman in abba can use and have access to
00:03:47healthcare, we shouldn't
00:03:49of have to be famous
00:03:51of even be hard. number four: we should as
00:03:54leaders listen, empathize, especially
00:03:58of in the area of health care. empathy is not weakness, it
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00:04:03of leadership. of number five, there should be national
00:04:06accountability
00:04:08in dashboard of that should tell us what is happening in the
00:04:11of healthcare system, and
00:04:12of as we head into 2027, this must become a
00:04:15campaign issue. we cannot spend the next several months
00:04:19debating only politics and personalities while the very
00:04:23infrastructure that keeps our human capital alive is
00:04:26collapsing the healthcare
00:04:28of system
00:04:29a and every presidential
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00:04:31of candidate, every governor
00:04:33of governorship candidate must tell us, what is your plan for our
00:04:36hospitals? what is your plan for patient
00:04:39safety? what is
00:04:41of your plan for people getting access to healthcare? what is your
00:04:45plan for stopping the brainn dain, especially in the medical
00:04:48area, because ensuring that no family
00:04:51in goes through
00:04:52of what chimamanda and her family has gone through, what auma
00:04:55has gone through is priority. if health care is not on the...
00:05:00ballot then we are not having a serious conversation as
00:05:03people. healthcare is not a luxury, it is not
00:05:07a campaign aftert. it is the infrastructure
00:05:11that keeps our nation. alive and it must
00:05:14be part of what should decide who are
00:05:18our next leaders, who is the next president,
00:05:22who are the next governors, who are the national assembly
00:05:26members, who are the next state legislators? let
00:05:30us keep an eye on healthcare, it is
00:05:33matter of life and death, and there you have
00:05:37it, inside sources goes for plast right after
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00:05:45Welcome back, today I'm leading the
00:05:48show with a conversation uh with a
00:05:52foundation member the ruling all progressive
00:05:55congress who was also formally the director
00:05:59general the voice of Nigeria. I like to welcome back
00:06:03to inside sources by brother and friend Mr.
00:06:06Ousita Okechuku, good to see you
00:06:08again. It's my pleasure, thanks being here.
00:06:13All right, now um, I wanted to have a
00:06:16conversation on what is going on uh between the
00:06:20governors the APC uh,
00:06:24and Mr. Yesomite and his rainbow
00:06:27coalition as it affects the the the
00:06:31president, now I observe that you
00:06:35did, what I consider to be an
00:06:37excellent statement few days
00:06:41ago, where you describe the governors, you
00:06:45said uh, you call them few pretender
00:06:49governors, so what I wanted to do very quickly first is
00:06:53to give us a summary for the benefit of our audience, just a
00:06:57summary of what you said in that statement and then we take it from
00:07:01there, thank you very much for being in your
00:07:05program, my own is
00:07:08simple appeal to our dear
00:07:11president.
00:07:14GCFR appeal for caution,
00:07:18appeal that he should be where or the
00:07:22few pretender governors, i call them
00:07:25pretenders, fpg, because they are feel
00:07:29number, feel number because
00:07:33lucky for the progressive congress, my great
00:07:37party, we have 31 governors
00:07:38today, if you cast your mind back.
00:07:43by the end of President Muhammad's
00:07:46leadership in 2023,
00:07:50our great party had only 21
00:07:53governors, but
00:07:56because the fact that we
00:07:59said the
00:08:02group, his party, PDP, our sister
00:08:05political party that breached
00:08:09violently the zoning
00:08:12convention that it was that was instituted in
00:08:161999 for the peace, harmony and
00:08:20inclusion of all sections the country, that
00:08:24when the president goes from north, it will come to the
00:08:28south, after the south will go back to the
00:08:31north, we are not saying that it
00:08:35comes into the deals the old tenents of
00:08:38democracy, but the point is that we have:
00:08:44a polarized country arising
00:08:48from the on all june 12th presidential election and
00:08:52the elders the country said look, it's better to be done this
00:08:56way and PDP
00:09:00has it is their own section 7 their own
00:09:02constitution, but because of power mongas
00:09:06a group led by his
00:09:08excellency it said no,
00:09:14I'm not saying
00:09:15that I support all the democratic
00:09:19antics of his excellency next
00:09:21week, but the truth the matter is
00:09:24one, he hosted the PDP
00:09:28presidential primaries in
00:09:321918, in 2018, and no
00:09:36Salden aspirant in the PDP
00:09:39participated, even weak did not participate.
00:09:43he committed the resource at his disposal to hosting
00:09:47it and his
00:09:48excellency, so for me
00:09:52I support him because he had a good ground to oppose his
00:09:56excellency, and ended up
00:09:59reducing his substantial votes, that added
00:10:03to the 8.7 million votes of
00:10:06president
00:10:10alone, he made.
00:10:1430 for 32
00:10:16votes visavis articles
00:10:198800 and i said
00:10:23why are these pretenders? saying that we that benefited
00:10:27from the same weak mass
00:10:31grade in
00:10:332023 that to me
00:10:37is still valid to mr president today
00:10:41because if you are
00:10:41president or his
00:10:45supporter like some of us you might look
00:10:49for all the firewood that will get him to sleep to
00:10:52victory because there are: contentious issues on the
00:10:56ground, he succeeded on the microeconomic
00:10:59level, but the downside is the
00:11:02micro aspect of trinkling down the gains of
00:11:06that success to the el to the majority of nigerians
00:11:09and here is a man who has the minister he
00:11:13appointed had be more
00:11:15vocal trying to spouse
00:11:19president policies and doing well
00:11:23in fc in the federal capital. where i live and
00:11:26suddenly because few governor there
00:11:29are few number because out of our 31 governors i don't think the up to
00:11:32f that in their own
00:11:36way utilize the votes
00:11:40the electorate to come to power and
00:11:44dumb them they will now want mr president to do
00:11:48the same mr president we are okay
00:11:51with the all that the weak and his mass created.
00:11:55but please don't be, we are now okay, they forgot they got 31
00:11:59governors from, okay, my my brother, just so we
00:12:03make it the conversation, um, you know, uh, let's
00:12:07let's let me frame a question uh, you know, and
00:12:11a comment,
00:12:12you know, upon which you will respond,
00:12:15now one the things that you have said so
00:12:18far is is that it's only, you said only, you got
00:12:22them few uh, return governor. and now you've added the fact that
00:12:26they're just about four, no, I don't think they are up to four even,
00:12:30fpg,
00:12:31fpg out of 31, yeah, less than four, in law
00:12:34proportion, the are exactly, yeah, but but
00:12:38it's not just four people that came out, my brother, you
00:12:42have representation, we don't know whether it's all or 31, but
00:12:46certainly that was giving us an impression that all
00:12:50them have agreed to this position, so
00:12:54for instance, there are people who have identified uh
00:12:58the the the the chairman the progressive governors forum himself you
00:13:02know mr isima as you
00:13:06know one the people that have a
00:13:08grivince regarding the politics of wike in
00:13:12MPC there also the governor of para
00:13:15state uh who has also identified mean both them were
00:13:19actually publicly identified by
00:13:23uh by Mr. Wike himself. so I don't
00:13:26think we can say,
00:13:30I don't think we can say that it's just the differently, I'm
00:13:33saying that I don't think you should limit it to just
00:13:37the two or maximum four them because all them
00:13:41are brother sister, all them
00:13:44you know mostly came out, why do you think the others will line
00:13:48up behind those that we've
00:13:51identified and?
00:13:55if they don't believe in it, you know, wanted to address that question, why would the line behind
00:13:59them? thank you very much for a good
00:14:01question, i've been in partisan politics
00:14:04nigeriana for the last 48
00:14:08years, 1978 to
00:14:11date, don't ask me what i have
00:14:14achieved, but i've gardered experience along the
00:14:17line, one of which is that the
00:14:21governors have become one the most powerful.
00:14:27conventional organs of any political party in
00:14:30Nigeria, just like the zoning is a
00:14:33convention, because some would say is not a law, it's
00:14:36not a law, but it's a convention, the governors are not listed in any
00:14:40party as an organ, but they are the
00:14:43most powerful because they control what we call in governant the
00:14:47ground, and when there's a an
00:14:50old convention as well that if we belong to any...
00:14:55club, one the tennis the club might
00:14:58be, if it affects my friend, you should
00:15:02be involved, if it affects,
00:15:06you should be involved, abdullah, if it
00:15:10affects yosita please, you should
00:15:11be involved, it becomes kind of
00:15:15a norm a club called the governors, progressive governor
00:15:18forum, out of quich, i don't want to
00:15:22name names, mhm but
00:15:25what i'm saying is if they want
00:15:29to be helpful to mr.
00:15:32president, there are issues to be
00:15:35addressed. do you cast a mind
00:15:39back that mr president and his
00:15:42honorable and the honorable attorney general the
00:15:44federation b the candles went to the
00:15:48spring courts saying the spring court since we cannot
00:15:52easily get the local government funds in the hands
00:15:56the local government please bail us out and the
00:16:00spring court gave a profound judgement along that
00:16:04line if there were
00:16:07helpful to president
00:16:11to do is to establish
00:16:13landmark that we governors if we
00:16:17get this bunch of money we give the local government to manage we can supervise
00:16:20them did they do so where it
00:16:24matters for the
00:16:27corvette the erosion in rural
00:16:31communities the health centers we are talking
00:16:33about the primary school
00:16:38to be updated, refurbished and teachers and
00:16:42students
00:16:42to be made happy with local government funds, it was very easy and
00:16:46convenient for them to pocket, and
00:16:49democracy always have
00:16:51referendum
00:16:53day and the referendum is the election, if the governors,
00:16:57the few, the fpg governors have done so well, they would be afraid of
00:17:01weak, but all I'm advising Mr. President is
00:17:05if I name, I can't. don't weak at this point in
00:17:09time because I need him,
00:17:1244.7% of votes river state
00:17:16where Mr. President could have had 80 something
00:17:18like
00:17:21231%
00:17:25which weak with all the
00:17:28political and everything he have done in
00:17:32river, but also
00:17:35share it with whoever.
00:17:40but are
00:17:40you saying sorry to interrupt you, are you saying
00:17:44that the the votes in rivers thing is going to be cast
00:17:47by mr.son my brother, the way you are analyzing
00:17:51it, i think
00:17:53that i'm saying there are four major states that own the
00:17:57votes the country, rivers is one
00:18:00them, i'm saying that the
00:18:03few thousands of votes he can gana for mr president, mr.
00:18:07needs it, you need to add it to the
00:18:09cofer, but if you
00:18:13dump him at the pgs are
00:18:16saying, i don't see how it adds to the
00:18:19number of votes mr. president will get, because none
00:18:22them can do so for him. i'm
00:18:26limiting myself to river states, because i also
00:18:29know that because the fact that we care in political
00:18:33science class, the they classify actors like
00:18:36that, those who bring all their fire
00:18:38would. okay, let ask you, let
00:18:42ask you brother sit. so um, by
00:18:46the way, just for food disclosure, i agree with
00:18:50you that the governor's, you know, that you have
00:18:54described as fpg, few
00:18:57with very interesting category. i agree with
00:19:01you that this is not the kind
00:19:04of matter that they h to ring to the
00:19:08public, I agree with you that this is the kind of matter that should have
00:19:12be sorted within the you know the the the
00:19:15structures the party or you know individually with the
00:19:19president and it's quite curious
00:19:21we will
00:19:22get to that possibly that they are making this move
00:19:24uh while the president is abroad on
00:19:28vacation
00:19:31you know is is curious and suspicious but that is neither here nor
00:19:35there but the point i want to make is that even though I agree with the
00:19:39fact that this is
00:19:40not a matter that they should have gone public with,
00:19:43Fubara, the governor of River State is now an
00:19:47APC member, is
00:19:50the are you saying
00:19:51you know that Fubara cannot deliver river
00:19:55state vote for the president, is that what you are saying, brother or
00:19:59sister? no, I i'm not saying so,
00:20:03but I'm saying as you said that one the questions I
00:20:07post to pj
00:20:08is this: our great party
00:20:11had mechanisms of resolution of issues,
00:20:15even if you don't want Mr. President, we have a chairman
00:20:18the party and a strong
00:20:20executive, that he could meet, I say
00:20:24please, since we are friendly with
00:20:27week, Mr. Chairman, can you call a meeting, we can even
00:20:31go to his his louge or wherever,
00:20:35I meet with him, I'm playing with him.
00:20:39that the president just went to Europe few
00:20:43days ago, there is also a
00:20:47virtual meeting we inherited from covid, because crisis that happened in the
00:20:51world has a some advantages gain after the crisis, the
00:20:54covid left us to virtual meeting,
00:20:58mr. which is what you and I are using right now, great, and
00:21:02Mr. President is a consument politician,
00:21:06I don't think the their anger started brewing today or their
00:21:10consultation with other governors, Mr. President, please, before you
00:21:13travel, can we have a meeting with you with our
00:21:17friend, is I regard weak as a friend?
00:21:20to the party, because if he had
00:21:22allowed his excellency articu to go full
00:21:26trottle, even in the next
00:21:30election is still one the greatest
00:21:33obstacle to article gaining the numerican votes to
00:21:37win, we can see one them,
00:21:40and it's one of those actors as I told you that bring all the firewood
00:21:44on the table, I ask the f
00:21:46pgs, there is an old work.
00:21:52some call it kitchen cabinet, some call it
00:21:56kar, are they not, don't they have
00:21:59access to Mr. President, okay, Mr. President, we
00:22:03waiting for you, when you are back from your your holidays in
00:22:07Europe, we need an urgent matter to be addressed, at least
00:22:11we have about four months to the election, but
00:22:14today as a pretender, you are telling Mr. President, your votes are
00:22:18gone, your votes gone how, but to the extent that
00:22:22their survivor as politicians is being antagonized,
00:22:26is being threatened by wiki,
00:22:29you know, uh, we should not expect them to sit down and just
00:22:33look, and this is not a new problem, brother and sister, over to
00:22:36you, thank you very much, I do
00:22:40not disagree with their position, there's an ol
00:22:44saying that if you allow your
00:22:47war to get cracked,
00:22:51you see tiny hands, if you don't
00:22:55amend it or amend it, you might
00:22:58see lizards, the next day might be
00:23:02snakes, so keep that one aside, i think
00:23:06that the governors most the time, there are those that came to power
00:23:10in the country, but don't know about power, if
00:23:14they know about power and they have a good political
00:23:16advisers, what they exposed?
00:23:20themselves, not the the question of
00:23:23promoting weak, but exposing themselves, because if you come
00:23:27up with a problem that is not
00:23:29there, my friend,
00:23:33this issue of weak, i don't see anywhere a political
00:23:37party where it can be thrown open, it's
00:23:40not that way, the only thing is that they came with a problem
00:23:43mindset, mindset of emperors,
00:23:47emperor is normally not threaten by any
00:23:50whisper or any noise, otherwise if
00:23:54they are not running emperorship and they have a good collegal system in their
00:23:58states, somebody will tell them, the solution
00:24:01is, mr. president, meet meet him, you have
00:24:04access, solution, not problem,
00:24:08but if you are emperor where there is no danger, you
00:24:12cry for danger, you cry wolf when there's no wolf, because you are
00:24:16threatened because one,
00:24:18you did not allow mr president to strengthen the local
00:24:22councils, we APC could added in our
00:24:26campaign that today, whether you like
00:24:29it or not, holy
00:24:31your cancelor, because this is how much will give to the local government where
00:24:35i came from, no what they did with it, but
00:24:39because the fact that they
00:24:43were doing this pretention, they pretended to mister president
00:24:46that there
00:24:46is no giving them money, please don't advance this... if that
00:24:50is vilation the law, because the supreme court the
00:24:53country, the last court the country give a profine
00:24:57judgement, it's over one year, i think it was in
00:25:00July 2004, so it's about two years
00:25:04plus, it was not be implemented, if
00:25:07he know the development, it could have caused the country, because they
00:25:11don't have the thinking power cap, what they have is only coming
00:25:15to power, becoming emperor using long chains
00:25:19of... a a hungry
00:25:22society, if they were power
00:25:25students, they could have allowed judgment, that judgment to be
00:25:28implemented, they will have weak problem, local
00:25:32government council that is doing well in their local governments could have been
00:25:36a wage because they are closer to the
00:25:40people, they know the needs the people, this security in the country could have been
00:25:44less, but the they came with the same pretense
00:25:47and mister president please, you need the judgment
00:25:51is is a spring code judgment don't advance it and
00:25:55mr present not advance it i was one of those two whisper to his
00:25:58minders that i can reach told them since the national
00:26:02assembly is friendly with Mr. President, let this sp court judgement
00:26:06be documented or into the
00:26:10constitutional amendment, but because they were afraid the so-called
00:26:13emperor governors, but most them
00:26:17i'm happy that most APC governors have done so
00:26:21well, the wicked thing we are talking, when I look at my friends
00:26:25in KK states the north, I didn't see the hand work of wicked
00:26:28there, and those were those areas where we can find so...
00:26:32the majority votes, did see them in the
00:26:35southwest where my brothers are are holding
00:26:38ground, so what is the
00:26:41matter? you are trying to very good, very
00:26:45good point,
00:26:46what is the matter? now um, i have
00:26:49gotten a few uh feedback
00:26:53uh from the from the leadership and
00:26:57you know the governors the
00:26:57of progressing forum and one things that i was
00:27:01told, was that
00:27:03you know there is a there is a model that is being uh pushed
00:27:07forward that is called www
00:27:11you know and this is not confirmed but hey you know uh I'm
00:27:14putting
00:27:15it out there because it does make sense
00:27:17you know when you look at what this governs are doing he said is
00:27:19WWW win without Wiki that's what he
00:27:23said he said that the president can win this election the
00:27:27presidential election without week
00:27:29that's even specifically the ATC the
00:27:32claim riversity without wicky
00:27:36and considering what is considered to be the absurdity the politics
00:27:40of week, one leg in and one leg out,
00:27:44which has never happened in the way
00:27:46that he has done it in our country, many them are repulsed
00:27:50by it and i'm sure that you know quite a lot of people don't even
00:27:54understand
00:27:55you know some the games that we can play, so so
00:27:59wanted to ask you: do you
00:28:03agree that the president can win river state and win the
00:28:07election as the situation is today without
00:28:09wikt
00:28:12is the is weak support and imperative for president in
00:28:162027 - one points must make
00:28:19clear is that my great party do not depend
00:28:23on wicket to win victory but the point
00:28:27is that we are a critical
00:28:30consequential 2027. election
00:28:34where there is hunger in the land,
00:28:37hunger is a big weapon of
00:28:40war, so anybody who
00:28:44is advising Mr. President, if you find
00:28:47one that can be of
00:28:51help, forget
00:28:54that if you
00:28:54find
00:28:58one on that can be useful, forget him.
00:29:02"if I'm one the advisors of Mr. President, as my own, I would say,
00:29:06Mr. President, you need all the firewood, because the country
00:29:10is hungry, and there's nothing we can do between
00:29:14now and January 16th to
00:29:17amend to the hunger. He paid me the other week
00:29:21when I read in the story that the
00:29:24attorney accountant general the federation is squiring
00:29:2833. Something billion that he'.
00:29:32auditor general, sorry, sorry, auditor general, sorry, that the auditor
00:29:36general, official office is
00:29:40squiring 33. something billion that could have gone to poor
00:29:44people, that he couldn't trace the poor people. i
00:29:47thought the the apg governors, if they were sincere
00:29:50with, that's what they could have told mr. president, we must look into the
00:29:54couprites, rather, they are talking of a
00:29:58friend of Mr. president, a minister that had demonstrated.
00:30:02on daily basis, this
00:30:04is the road I'm constructing, he's going here, he's 30
00:30:08km, if you tell us who live a po
00:30:11village, the weekak should be dispensed, some them
00:30:15might not be supporters of weekek before, but today you can go
00:30:19to that village without any go any point in time, even in Russia
00:30:22hour, how do you address such electorate that I found weak
00:30:26useful, he built he helped them
00:30:30to build a residential in
00:30:33Wasa, if you go there, if you are one of those who
00:30:36live there, you might be enemy before to weak, but today you might not be,
00:30:40I let them not forget, because it's always good to pick the pieces
00:30:44together, there was a time with so much around with the
00:30:47PDP, it was weaker that picked the pdp
00:30:51up, is it only river that he picked up, when
00:30:55i'm distinguished sheriff
00:30:59were doing the real