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00:00:00the anecdotes are not because I am very, very distant from
00:00:04new journalism, this journalism of the network, of x, and
00:00:07I don't like it much, that.
00:00:10Because, as I always tell you, there are many lies and it's a cesspool
00:00:14many times on social media, right? And there are many young people who are just starting and they buy
00:00:18that kind of journalism, but there were things that happened on the
00:00:22street, so Chiche had his stories, he would tell them to you
00:00:26love to Chiche's family and say goodbye to him in off-camera, different coverages where
00:00:29sometimes you arrive late to do the coverage of a story.
00:00:33It had to be updated, not
00:00:36recreated, and that's where the journalist's morning appeared, the man of
00:00:39experience, right? Where, for example, if there was a need to cover
00:00:43a fish kill, I don't know, a fish kill
00:00:47due to pollution in the river, and you arrived and there were no
00:00:51dead fish, what Cheche did was, for example, go to the
00:00:54fish market, buy and throw them
00:00:57into the river to take the picture, have the image. And say, here it is,
00:01:01Gente magazine, here is the cover of the magazine, the fish mortality,
00:01:05correct, that was the journalist's trick, with an instinct, others say I arrived, there's
00:02:23big hug to
00:02:26Chiche's children and truthfully, he left us.
00:02:30A great man, what a desire to work he had,
00:02:34and he died working. It's so great, so great, honestly,
00:02:38well, Chiche, may you be in
00:02:40heaven, thanks Mecha, a big kiss, thanks,
00:02:44hug, he always said, Dani, I
00:02:47was on Crónica, because he loved Crónica, he was very comfortable
00:02:50working here, because he also felt loved, respected, he
00:02:55I think he was a person to always said, I did at Crónica, it was the only thing I was missing, a master's in
00:02:58popular journalism,
00:03:00and I'm watching these images, he even traveled, he visited villas,
00:03:04settlements, the urban areas, he
00:03:07loved this, this type of journalism, he liked the street, he
00:03:11when he saw a mobile unit that
00:03:14generated what you are describing, or when a family came to the
00:03:18channel door and production decided to cover it
00:03:21the next day, he asked to go, he loved that popular
00:03:25contact, on Fridays, he loved that
00:03:29contact with the popular.
00:03:40He wasn't a graduate of anything or from any journalism school, it's the school of
00:04:01to cover a crime of two grandparents, don't
00:04:05interrupt my story, the information I could gather to
00:04:08ask how much 100g of salami costs at the corner store, to
00:04:12know if the, but Chiche was like that, Chiche was like that, and
00:04:16you'd finish the mobile report, you'd call him and say, Chiche, but don't ask me, you have to know
00:04:20culture is clearly above what 100g is worth, listen, he'd ask politicians,
00:04:23he'd ask politicians what many wouldn't ask them, how much
00:04:26is, I don't
00:04:28a certain moment, part of know,
00:04:38in the supermarket, what is that congressman, that minister, that secretary
00:04:41of state doing, what happened to my law, he didn't know how much a minimum
00:04:45pension was, he didn't know what it would be, a kilo of meat
00:04:48at, sorry,
00:04:51as time went by, there were many other
00:04:55interviews they did with Javier Milei, none produced
00:04:59so many. without so many replies as the
00:05:01interview, he went to visit him in one of his
00:05:04hospitalizations, uh, you remember also, yes, but he never gave him another
00:05:08interview, but never again after an interview
00:05:09because
00:05:12it made him uncomfortable, but well, journalism has to make people uncomfortable, what makes
00:05:16follow-up question, because that
00:05:20means that the journalist is listening to the interviewee's answer and gives him
00:05:23the possibility to ask a follow-up question, because you find
00:05:26some flaw, some error, something that catches your attention, and Chiche was a person who
00:05:30asked follow-up questions excellently well, and this made Javier
00:05:33Milei very uncomfortable. It was also a great interview with Cristina Fernández de
00:05:36Kirchner, we mentioned it a while ago, a great
00:05:39interview with Cristina, that well-conducted interview was memorable.
00:05:53He asked her what you cook,
00:05:57the person, the person, the woman, and a
00:06:00fabulous interview that also had repercussions because nobody had asked
00:06:03Cristina those things for two reasons. First, out of
00:06:05respect, because there is the investiture of a former president,
00:06:09so perhaps the journalist feels that they shouldn't invade her personal
00:06:17space, her privacy as a woman, her domestic matters, and also out of fear, because Cristina's figure instills fear in many journalists. journalists fear
00:06:20fear. Uh, Daniel
00:06:24is on the line.
00:06:27Uh, hello Daniel, Gustavo Chapur, Mariela Anaberia
00:06:29Cereso, and Daniel greets you. How
00:06:32are you? Hello everyone, it's truly very
00:06:35sad. They just informed me, as I imagine
00:06:39the whole country is finding out right now, about
00:06:42Chiche's departure. And well, although I knew he wasn't
00:06:46well, one imagines that he was
00:06:49going to be back soon, he was going to be working again soon and we were going
00:06:52to be able to see him, and unfortunately, he left us. Who
00:06:56Daniel, well, for me, Chiche was
00:06:59one of those great journalists who
00:07:04communication in Argentina. I'm lucky to
00:07:07have known him for many years, and especially
00:07:11to have invited him to work on projects from their inception,
00:07:15like Radio 10, or the day I bought Channel
00:07:189, I invited him to be part of the
00:07:21transformation of that channel. Uh, Chiche is one of
00:07:25those guys who looked three or four steps ahead of the
00:07:29rest of the journalists, right? And I include
00:07:33myself. I think he always saw things with, he had that
00:07:36vision of the great editor, right? Even
00:07:40though perhaps in recent times he wasn't editing a medium, as he did at the time with
00:07:44magazines or with newspapers, in
00:07:47every space he occupied, whether in a radio show or in a program on
00:07:51Crónica TV, he acted like an
00:07:54editor and he covered all
00:07:58360 degrees of the news. Besides
00:08:00all that, Chiche is a good person. It's going to be hard for me to use the
00:08:04past tense, but I think Chiche is a good guy, a good guy, a family
00:08:07man. I knew his wife, I knew, I just
00:08:11hung up with Maggi, his daughter,
00:08:14uh, I think he's a guy that we will all agree we're going to miss. Yes,
00:08:18besides, you just said, he founded many media outlets,
00:08:21well, like you too, right? With your career, I mean, but he also
00:08:25worked with you, it's true, on Radio 10 he had a very
00:08:28nice program, a beautiful program, very listened to as well, and
00:08:32and Channel 9, now I say, uh, what did you learn? Because you're
00:08:36a younger guy, what did you learn from him? I mean, being a master of journalism,
00:08:40a lot, a lot, uh...
00:08:42The first and most important thing is that a journalist is
00:08:45a journalist 24 hours a day, there are no hours for our
00:08:49work. Uh, Chiche used to say that we didn't have a profession, that
00:08:53we had a craft, and that we dignified it by doing
00:08:57it well. Uh, Chiche was excessively
00:09:00perfectionist. I love that. He was
00:09:03stern, he would get angry when a
00:09:06producer maybe delayed putting someone on air
00:09:09or when a source was late.
00:09:13I don't want them to confirm it, he'd yell and I love it, I swear
00:09:17that hopefully on Crónica there can be
00:09:20memories of what happened behind
00:09:24the scenes, maybe not just the on-air moments but the moments before,
00:09:28Chiche was a champion at that,
00:09:32and he transmitted, he was contagious
00:09:35because, well, once Chiche told me, this is done
00:09:38with passion and with purpose. Uh,
00:09:41and the phrase stuck with me, right? With passion and
00:09:45with purpose, with those two things you can do journalism. You know,
00:10:02well, Daniel, a crabby
00:10:05Chiche, and he would get angry if,
00:10:08for example, a topic wasn't handled
00:10:12the way he wanted it to be, and you'd
00:10:15see him, of course, with his slowness already in this last
00:10:18while, yes, he wouldn't yell on air, he'd get angry, he never
00:10:22bothered to hide his anger on air.
00:10:28The times he swore at the news director himself, let's say, and then walked out through the hallway,
00:10:32really angry, for the people who might not know
00:10:36that part, yelling down the hallways, we were
00:10:39in the meeting after the show and
00:10:42you'd see him and hear him yelling towards the director's
00:10:46office at the back, or towards production, guys, he used to get very angry with
00:11:06journalism, not because the term "animal" is
00:11:10too much, but he was a guy who, if he didn't have the news, he would generate it, he knew
00:11:14how to generate it, right? This is important in journalism, it seems to
00:11:17me, Daniel, right? Where, if the news isn't there, you know how to
00:11:21generate it, to find it, the news basically, not just for it to reach you and
00:11:26then develop it. announce it or comment on it, uh, I don't know if you agree with this,
00:11:29I agree, I would say, in terms of print journalism, in which
00:11:33Chiche was also a master, a page would never be
00:11:36empty, always, always something would be
00:11:40a product of Chiche's curiosity, many times when a mobile unit went to
00:11:43one place and he saw that the topic was perhaps not as they had
00:11:47imagined in production, he immediately imagined what the
00:11:51continuation of the story would be like from another angle, and very few
00:11:55people have that. That's having a 360-degree view of the
00:11:58news, and I have no doubt that with
00:12:02Chiche, one of the few living legends of
00:12:05that type of journalist is leaving. Look, you just talked about
00:12:08an editor, and I think that's already a race that is practically
00:12:11disappearing. I practically put him at the same level as
00:12:15Héctor Ricardo García, the
00:12:17greats.
00:12:20Absolutely, absolutely, we, well, obviously our great founder,
00:12:24so I really put him at that level because they are guys who also did everything
00:12:28well, in print, radio, television, even, I tell you,
00:12:32you're in this, in Infobae,
00:12:35in Latin America, I mean, he even, Chiche was an innovator in
00:12:38that, because he was one of the first to launch what was Infoveloz
00:12:41first and Minuto Uno later. Minuto Uno was
00:12:45founded by Chiche, Minuto Uno was founded by
00:12:47Chiche, he was always restless, he never
00:12:51conformed, uh, and every time he came to see you,
00:12:55he'd say, I have a new project, and you'd say, but you don't stop, Chiche, I can't
00:12:58stop, and I believe that
00:13:01he was an example, right? Uh, obviously, someone might have
00:13:05gotten angry with Chiche once because I don't know which one of you used the word that he
00:13:09got angry, right? He got very angry, he was very crabby,
00:13:12Chiche, we fought on air, Daniel,
00:13:15continuously, but I love that, I think
00:13:19he did it, he did it out of professionalism, it's
00:13:22passion, exactly, without any doubt.
00:13:25Chiche leaves a void in all of us today, and without a doubt we
00:13:29will miss him. There is no, there is no replacement for Chiche,
00:13:33no, no, no, no, there are
00:13:35positions in the team that when that player leaves, there's a
00:13:39void, and a good goal, and today there's a
00:13:43void. You know, he always talked about his past and
00:13:46his childhood and his, how he
00:13:49entered the world of journalism, he's not a guy who
00:13:52had the studies like the vast majority.
00:14:05the street, exactly, and with this I ask him, for many years, for many
00:14:08years, uh, Argentina and the world in general
00:14:12had self-taught journalists who perhaps
00:14:15were much more well-read than those who passed or had the
00:14:19luck to pass through a journalism school. Uh,
00:14:23Chiche, when I had the luck to work also at
00:14:26Editorial Atlántida, where when I arrived, Chiche was already a
00:14:30legend, and when you read Chiche's
00:14:33notes written by him, signed by him,
00:14:37they had a uncommon
00:14:39distinction. Chiche was also a good writer, then he
00:14:43transformed into a television and radio
00:14:46personality, but not Daniel. Yes, also, also
00:14:49a person who, when the camera turned on, you noticed Chiche's
00:14:53happiness, even if he looked serious, you could tell inside
00:14:56that the guy was happy. Uh, you
00:14:59think that in recent times his health wasn't good,
00:15:03that the guy suffered because he realized that maybe he wasn't
00:15:07at 100% of his strength, of his
00:15:09energy, but however, when he finished
00:15:13on air, he felt an emptiness, the guy wanted to go back on air and he wasn't feeling
00:15:17well and he went to work anyway, his family can tell this. Not long
00:15:21ago he interviewed you in this house.
00:15:46that is being lost sometimes in the interview, the ability to
00:15:49listen many times, uh, especially
00:15:52with younger people, perhaps because they still don't have the security
00:15:56that a Chiche Gelblum had, many times the person who is
00:15:59asking is thinking about the next question instead of listening to the
00:16:02interviewee's answer.
00:16:06Uh, and maybe he would interrupt you and say: why
00:16:10do you use that word? Wow, and that is
00:16:14the product of a generation that, unfortunately, is
00:16:17being lost in the profession. Would you have liked him to interview you now
00:16:20with this possibility,
00:16:23this chance that many of us talk about, which is
00:16:27a Daniel Hadad presidential candidate, because one thing is Daniel Hadad
00:16:30journalist, this owner of media, uh,
00:16:33businessman, and another thing is Daniel Hadad candidate or possible candidate for
00:16:37president with Chiche, would you have liked it? I, I tell you the
00:16:41truth, I never said no to Chiche for an
00:16:44interview.
00:16:47The times that, no one can say no to him, no one can say no to him, but also out of the
00:16:50respect I have for him, I have the gratitude. When
00:16:53I founded and set up Radio 10, uh, at
00:16:57first very few people wanted to come work because no one knew what the project
00:17:01was about. We put together something like the Branca Armada,
00:17:05lions, right? We took
00:17:08from everywhere, Chichi at that moment was on a radio that I think was Radio
00:17:11Libertad, if I'm not
00:17:13mistaken,
00:17:16and it wasn't first, and it wasn't first, it was, I don't know, in the middle of the
00:17:19table, and we brought together a lot of very
00:17:22talented people who weren't first. Now, when we put them
00:17:25all to work together, and Chiche was a fundamental
00:17:29part of that team, uh, we made the
00:17:32most successful radio station that Argentina had at that time. What was it like
00:17:36working in print with him? Uh,
00:17:39the... I didn't work in print with him, I didn't
00:17:43work, but I collected many testimonials
00:17:46from both people at Editorial Atlántida and people at
00:17:49Ámbito Financiero. Let's remember that at one point Chiche,
00:17:53back in the mid-90s or late
00:17:5690s, started making "Memoria" on Channel 9,
00:18:00of course, but he didn't abandon print because he said,
00:18:03"I need to write," and it wasn't an economic issue, it was his need to...
00:18:07to put into written words what he
00:18:10wanted, what he thought, and he worked at Ámbito
00:18:14Financiero, it's worth it at some point to collect those
00:18:18articles that undoubtedly show the Gelblum style,
00:18:21right? And there are many people at Editorial Atlántida who I'm sure
00:18:25are remembering him today, I don't know, Gabriela Cociffi, for example, many who
00:18:29worked with him, Luján Gutiérrez, I'm going to forget
00:18:32important names, but today surely
00:18:36that whole group from Atlántida that worked with Chiche on
00:18:40Gente magazine will also be sad. Uh, Daniel, what
00:18:43do you see that journalism is lacking today in the new
00:18:47generations that Chiche had? For example, one could say
00:18:51that well, he was a very controversial figure, brilliant but
00:18:54disruptive too, right? Because he could go with anything, now
00:18:57what do you see, what difference do you see between that school of journalism that he
00:19:01practically founded and leaves his mark, his legacy, with the new
00:19:05generations? Well, the new times are marking something
00:19:08that is not just a phenomenon in Argentina, but a worldwide
00:19:12phenomenon that the phone started to distract so
00:19:16much that it makes people today not read much.
00:19:20Uh, in Chiche's generation, of Alfredo
00:19:23Serra, who were contemporaries, uh,
00:19:26reading was, I don't know, sometimes
00:19:29I see Alberto Amato, another of that
00:19:33generation, and every time he passes by my office, he comes with a book
00:19:36of a type.
00:19:43In any free moment he has, he starts reading a book. Uh, I have the feeling that Chiche is the exponent of that
00:19:47self-taught but very cultured
00:19:49generation. Perhaps he doesn't have a doctorate
00:19:53in anything, but Chiche's
00:19:57the average of any of the new generation.
00:20:01Studied kids, there are kids who graduate with degrees and
00:20:05master's degrees and they don't have.
00:20:15I don't know if you remember Daniel, just like it was in another era, look at the times I'm talking about, Antonio Carrizo who hadn't even finished elementary school and was a super well-read guy, super well-read,
00:20:19impressive, exactly, absolutely,
00:20:21I think perhaps I wouldn't generalize, but I do recognize
00:20:24that for the vast majority today people get their information
00:20:28more from audiovisual things than
00:20:31from reading, and when we see
00:20:34yesterday in Argentina, yesterday was also a very sad day. When we learned the
00:20:38results of the PISA tests to see
00:20:41the decline of our children in educational matters, in
00:20:45mathematics and in language, uh, and in
00:20:48reading and in comprehension capacity. I say, uh, what
00:20:52a pity, honestly, when I see Chiche, I say, he didn't
00:20:56need anyone to force him to read so much text,
00:20:59he read by himself, he had an infinite curiosity, he exercised
00:22:59you used a word that is fashionable today, empathy, more than anything else,
00:23:03it's a word that is blamed on the government today, some
00:23:07say they lack empathy, others say no, that it's not necessary or that they
00:23:10have it, uh,
00:23:13and politicians, I want to ask you this, you are a person of great experience,
00:23:17did politicians fear the interview with Chiche,
00:23:21because one thing is the interview with that journalist perhaps
00:23:24who has a more fluid, close relationship, but with
00:23:28Chiche, you know, he had a special way of asking, distinct, different,
00:23:32this thing you pointed out about knowing how to listen in order to be able to ask a follow-up question, he was
00:23:34unimpeachable.
00:23:39Did politicians fear Chiche? I wouldn't use the word
00:23:42fear, they respected him,
00:23:45respect, but he was a type
00:23:48who
00:23:51who would never hit you below the belt, it seems to
00:23:54me that when you sat down in a TV or radio studio
00:23:58with Chiche, you knew he set the rules, but they were
00:24:02rules that are commonly used,
00:24:06he didn't break scandalous
00:24:08rules, obviously he could make you uncomfortable, yes, well
00:24:12that's the function of the one who interviews, but he always did
00:24:16it, I don't know, maintaining appearances.
00:24:20I believe, never, no, no, I repeat, if you tell
00:24:24me to synthesize the name
00:24:26Chiche Gelblum, uh, or with one or two
00:24:30words, I would say gentleman journalist, gentleman
00:24:33journalist, look at that, what a great
00:25:45No, what a beautiful definition, Mr.
00:25:49Journalist, so simple and so forceful, uh master, those
00:25:53words that ennoble, no, and it is the
00:25:56reward for so much effort, guys, because there is no better recognition than that of your peers,
00:26:00it is the best, it is totally. It is the
00:26:02only one and and another thing, people can recognize you, people can
00:26:06love you, they can hate you, they can stop you or show
00:26:10indifference, but the recognition of a journalist, there is no better
00:26:13recognition than that of his parents, totally, the respect of your parents, when your
00:26:17parents start calling you master,
00:26:20because you already did things well, you transcended to another level, I think he was
00:26:23a jerk, as you say, that he got angry, that this and that, it was
00:26:27within that perfectionism he got angry within the rigorousness of the
00:26:30conception he had of journalism.
00:26:32He got angry because he uh, I'm going to tell some
00:26:36indiscretions,
00:26:38uh, when we go on air, we obviously have a
00:26:42routine with an x number of topics, he was an animal, sorry that
00:26:46I'm going to repeat the word, he was a journalistic
00:26:49animal, but also a political animal, he liked to dabble in all
00:26:53political topics, sometimes the daily agenda brings
00:26:56other topics to the table that are not political, and
00:27:00he, Cintia or...
00:27:03like some of his executive producers
00:27:06and
00:27:08even yelling at them on air, getting angry, and you hear
00:27:12him yelling, it was because he was getting angry,
00:27:15pissed off with his executive producers, and I'm going to take one of the
00:27:19phrases that Daniel said, that this last time, clearly his
00:27:23body was taking a toll, Chichi had two
00:27:26moments, the last, the
00:27:28last part, where we would do the pass and I would see him
00:27:32enter, first I'm going to tell an indiscretion, Chichi was the
00:27:36only journalist we have had on the show who followed
00:27:39us and who an hour before he was sitting back there
00:27:43and what he did was ask, he would put on his earpiece and was attentive
00:27:47to every topic and what he did was ask
00:27:50the sound engineers to put the
00:27:53return for him to listen to an hour of our show before going
00:27:57on air, many times when he got angry and corrected you on air if you
00:28:00made a mistake.
00:28:09What's more, he's one of the only people I remember who an hour
00:28:13before is already sitting there listening to the previous show, well that's being a great journalist, you
00:28:17realize, at his age, when he didn't need that, but I'll stick with, you know, two words that
00:28:21Daniel also said, not to overlook uh
00:28:24passion and purpose, journalism has to
00:28:47great professional,
00:28:49like those who perhaps mark a
00:28:53path for us, no, not because I am a journalist, but
00:28:56they mark a path for you in terms of the responsibility of the
00:29:00job, just now
00:29:04you were saying that an hour before the
00:29:07shows he was sitting yes, in the
00:29:11previous show waiting for it to end, surely
00:29:14thinking and producing the
00:29:17show that was coming from him, that
00:29:20is seen little today perhaps, you know more because
00:29:24you are in the channels going around, perhaps due to lack of
00:29:27time or due to the need to have another
00:29:31job, hm?
00:29:33But but Chicha was like that, I
00:30:21say the care he gave, he gave, for example, now
00:30:24you find me doing a job with my
00:30:28kinesiologist Eduardo Martín and a respiratory job
00:30:33and I told Chiche that
00:30:37we have to take care of ourselves and he told
00:30:39me yes, but the job and it's true, working was good for him
00:30:43it was good for him
00:30:46for this, it's interesting because it's true what you say, in fact
00:30:49we were telling anecdotes a while ago regarding this anger of Chiche for
00:30:53anyone who told him "Chiche, take care of yourself, you were hospitalized,
00:30:56you left, you fell again, take care of yourself, stay with your family."