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00:01:26he made you, in
00:01:28have big problems with he had told me, he told me you are
00:01:31pregnant and Chichi
00:01:34was much more than a colleague, at least for me, he was a
00:01:37friend,
00:01:40eh, even he was watching the last conversation with Chiche that was not
00:01:43with me, it was with my son who sent him an audio, they sent audios, they sent
00:01:47audios,
00:01:50now we give a kiss, one day we can
00:01:53go my mom and I to visit you one day at your
00:01:56house, because I
00:01:59Macri not to vote for miss you. I remember when I used to draw for
00:02:02you, I used to draw
00:02:05eh that he was above what giraffes and animals and everything, I loved that
00:02:07memory, I send you a big kiss,
00:02:11how are you doing, everything fine, everything
00:02:16but potentially one of the cool, eh, when I had a very big problem with my son's
00:02:21careful and never stop saying what health when Tisi was 4 years old and nothing, I remember I came
00:02:25to work, Sofia told me to go, this boy has a fever, my son had
00:02:28mumps.
00:02:30how are you all, today I and the guard called me and I said no, I think they have
00:02:33to keep him hospitalized because the problem is delicate
00:02:37eh where are you after 5 minutes
00:02:41they gave me a room, he called me every day, Cristina, I
00:02:45came to work because since he was hospitalized, there was a little while that I could
00:02:48come, I came from another
00:02:52years, I got planet, honestly, it's hard for me
00:02:54to talk about the past still,
00:02:58what I shared, what I just said, I
00:03:01think he taught us a lot, not all of us who had him close in our
00:03:04lives, that about the children too, eh, it's tremendous,
00:03:08the same thing happened to you, the same thing happened to me, my son had a speech disorder and I
00:03:12had, you know, private hospitals
00:03:15buy olam on we are talking about, eh, it takes a long time to get an appointment and
00:03:18it unlocked that and I was able to solve
00:03:21camera, but when he sat in a complex issue because then there is, I don't know, after the
00:03:23pandemic a lot of things and he helped me, he gave me a
00:03:26very much, we have gone out to Miley and managed or professional, the same, Chiche didn't want that. My
00:03:30God, when he sent his children, but you know
00:03:33that's something to tell the people behind
00:03:37the camera who saw the grumpy Chiche who
00:03:40got angry, the camera was another person, Chiche was
00:03:43always very
00:03:44this, and he always anchored it in what supportive, look today
00:03:46he used to help a lot of
00:03:49people that he didn't want to and didn't like to tell, he didn't want to
00:03:54a work
00:03:55share what I did, what tell, but he helped many people, many
00:03:57people not only from here, colleagues from...
00:04:06knew, but profoundly, the he helped many people, even strangers, eh,
00:04:10that's the part that, well, what you say, he was
00:04:13always there, I remember when, well, I had bypasses a few
00:04:17years ago, I called him, I told him and he told me: they are going to open
00:04:21you up like a chicken, he says, take care, and but
00:04:24immediately he told me, what do you need, do you want me to
00:04:27talk to someone there at the
00:04:29point out at noon on the chronicle, in the afternoon on the sanatorium? he picked up the phone, eh, how nice, he was
00:04:32like that, and you know he, he knew, he knew everything about
00:04:36all of us, no, he always asked me about Ámbar,
00:04:39eh, and I remember today when they gave me the news in the car,
00:04:44talked about the same thing, let's see, about what I was with Ámbar in the car, Ámbar is my daughter, and
00:04:47and precisely Ámbar told me, no, I
00:04:50couldn't believe it, because we talked a lot at home about
00:04:53Chiche and and I remembered even when I went to see
00:04:56him at his house, he made us a barbecue, because Chiche also had.
00:05:01box. mm and at the
00:05:05the whole team, eh, and at the barbecue, eh, he told ambi, look, I have a place for you and he took them to
00:05:08a little house, eh for her to play, he left her.
00:05:43we will see an exceptional
00:05:45and exclusive document, you will see
00:05:49another autopsy of
00:05:50unite,
00:05:53I want to study but I don't have a high school diploma, they ask me for a high school
00:05:57do, I say
00:06:01I need an invented diploma, find out in
00:06:04which place in Latin America one of your schools burned down
00:06:08and all that and give me a certificate
00:06:11that says that all my archive
00:06:14and Tony did it for me, I was never an adolescent, I went from child
00:06:18to old, I didn't have this, I
00:06:22didn't have jumps in that sense, no, I had a very complicated
00:06:25adolescence, I went home, and I spent part of the report, now we will continue watching,
00:06:29we will continue recognizing different moments
00:06:32of Chicha throughout her history in her personal and professional life, Julio Bárbaro
00:06:35is connected with us, hello Julio, how are you, good morning
00:06:38the whole family greets you, thank you, well.
00:06:50Chiche for me was a friend and an example of
00:06:53journalism, he had the two essential virtues of a
00:06:57journalist, a great cultural
00:07:00and intellectual formation and a great breadth,
00:07:04I would tell you today I started to think and
00:07:08I say, there must be few heirs, he was
00:07:11a man. totally, let's say,
00:07:14Argentine and the day he invited me to his house to eat a
00:07:18barbecue, he made the barbecue and served us the barbecue, how
00:07:22nice, and he always told me you
00:07:25vote wrong so I take
00:07:29your ID from you, that's why every time I saw him I said give me back my
00:07:33ID, but this
00:07:35mental breadth today very few
00:07:39have it, very cultural information.
00:07:42that is, they are the two virtues of a journalist, today there are
00:07:46followers of a cause
00:07:50Cristina, of anyone, but
00:07:53there are no intellectually
00:07:55formed and free journalists, Julio,
00:07:59tell us how he was one of the
00:08:02last ones, how were those barbecues, because obviously people
00:08:05perhaps know the professional part the most, beyond all the
00:08:09anecdotes there are, tell us a little bit about what that was like.
00:08:42to talk about everything freely, I
00:08:45insist on this, because there is so much
00:08:48sectarianism,
00:08:50so much fanaticism, you have to be on one side or the
00:08:53other,
00:08:55yes, he was everywhere, at some point he had only
00:08:59one fault, he couldn't stop working, that's
00:09:03true, but in those conversations you had with Chiche, at some
00:09:07point did you discuss politics because today everyone
00:09:10tells us he wasn't a journalist. politics, now he knew about
00:09:13politics, who, Chiche, of course, Chiche
00:09:19thing is that he liked to discuss,
00:09:22he cited me at
00:09:25Crónica to discuss the Jewish phenomenon
00:09:29where we had absolutely different
00:09:31visions, but he was broad-minded and so
00:09:34was I, so he didn't
00:09:37seek unity, he sought
00:09:41the richness of... diversity, which is life and that is
00:09:45journalism,
00:09:47well, look, you just said something, I don't know if I
00:09:51remember it well, but you said it a moment ago and I'm confused because there were other colleagues who
00:09:56Chiche has left, who can occupy Chiche's place or
00:10:00who can
00:10:03be similar to Chiche when it comes to
00:10:06interviewing, when it comes to
00:10:08practicing the profession, do you see anyone who
00:10:11can. uh follow those
00:10:14steps no, I don't see it today,
00:10:17I don't see it today, that's why I say the
00:10:20space he leaves is a challenge for
00:10:24those who... have a vocation for journalism, cultured
00:10:28and free, the two virtues they must
00:10:31have, Julio, you were very
00:10:34good friends, and
00:10:38he actually mentioned you with great affection, with great
00:10:41respect, he always wanted you to be on the
00:10:43shows,
00:10:46yes, well, because we were friends
00:10:50the difference, we didn't think alike, no, they would
00:10:53kill each other. nothing they thought alike, they always ended
00:10:57up re-pitching the interviews, which is important, to think
00:11:00differently, to respect each other, to be
00:11:03informed and to have level and humor, talent
00:11:07is given with humor, with hatred there is no
00:11:10talent, what differentiated you from
00:11:14Chiche Helblum, where did you fight more
00:11:17when he did these interviews that you mention,
00:11:21no, look, one time he was...
00:11:25on Radio Mitre from 10 to 12, he had just come home and told
00:11:29her, so since he was a
00:11:32provocateur he tells me you must like
00:11:36young girls
00:11:39tremendous I say if they are not grandmothers I don't
00:11:43go out, she was right, she
00:11:46tells me how, I say yes, because the grandmother's love is the
00:11:50grandson so you will never
00:11:53her and they are at a very
00:11:57high level of life that are beautiful and
00:12:00so we entered into a debate that generated a
00:12:04call and well, that was
00:12:08humor, that was talent, that
00:12:11was eh the richness of an open journalist
00:12:15and he would fight with me about everything, but he also
00:12:19always told me you always vote wrong, I had voted for
00:12:24Scioli. the only explanation was well, it was worse, but
00:12:28you saw that you voted for Argentina saying mine was not the
00:12:31worst, Julio, we'll stop here because
00:12:35we have Carlos Monti is about to go on air
00:12:39too, we also want to know
00:12:42his opinion, hello Carlos, how are you, the whole Crónica family greets you
00:12:46Carlos, it cut off, it cut off, it cut off, anyway, what Julio was
00:12:50saying just now eh you voted
00:12:53for anything, it was to say those things, he was never wrong, he would tell
00:12:57you, he would tell you on air, you are never wrong, and he obviously
00:13:01would joke with you always
00:13:03bad, since democracy returned we haven't hit
00:13:07the mark, we are the only country on the
00:13:10continent where poverty grows, all the others
00:13:13shrink, here it grows, well he was right,
00:13:17no absolutely, but
00:13:20he had the ability to have
00:13:23awareness of reality. without falling into
00:13:26pessimism, and he wasn't in the rift,
00:13:30notice that Chiche's last two strong interviews were with Cristina and with
00:13:33Miley, among the most viral in recent years, of course,
00:13:37Alberto, well, he didn't want to talk to Chiche, he didn't want to, I don't know, but
00:13:40Cristina and my law were the
00:13:43two, yes, yes, and very mediatic with
00:13:46much he has asked uncomfortable questions to
00:13:51read that he calls him on the phone and tells him. I'm going to
00:13:55give you more interviews, but because he asked what no one dares
00:13:58to ask politicians, simple
00:14:00questions,
00:14:03he asked if he knew how much a minimum pension was worth, how much milk was worth, how much a
00:14:06bus ticket was worth,
00:14:09all that made Miley angry and made him call
00:14:12him on the phone and tell him that he would never give him another interview, but what is
00:14:16journalism if not asking these uncomfortable questions or what everyone
00:14:19wants, the viewer wants to hear from the other side, in
00:14:23fact, Julio.
00:14:37it was uncomfortable but always with respect, it was
00:14:41never a nuisance,
00:14:43it was uncomfortable, this is the talent, the
00:14:46subtlety,
00:14:48that he was someone who knew how to navigate
00:14:52subtlety, we are leaving, we ask you for a minute nothing
00:14:56more Julio because we are connecting with different
00:14:59mobile units on the street, we are going with Rodo Morel, Rodo we are with
00:15:03you, good morning,
00:15:07well Anita, good morning, we are here
00:15:10in Loyola at 100, in the neighborhood of
00:15:13Villacrespo, here in the city of Buenos
00:15:16Aires, where the last
00:15:19preparations are underway to say goodbye to
00:15:22Chiche, there is a large
00:15:26police operation because a concentration is expected not
00:15:30only of people but also of the media, no, an
00:15:33impactful, unwanted news,
00:15:39this is what is happening now no eh security personnel in this
00:15:42in this funeral home,
00:15:44yes, there is a lot of secrecy about the arrival
00:15:48of the relatives, we are in front of the place,
00:15:51you already know,
00:15:55after 3 p.m. until 3
00:15:57p.m. they will be
00:16:00saying goodbye to Chiche's remains
00:16:03and he will be transferred
00:16:05later. to
00:16:10La Tablada, yes, this
00:16:13is the hard fact about everything that happened this
00:16:17morning,
00:16:20tremendous news because at 7:30 in the morning today we were at the
00:16:23channel and
00:16:26it seemed like a day, one more of the many that
00:16:30we have,
00:16:34yes, it's a very difficult day for everyone, for the whole family of...
00:16:37Ana just remembered this
00:16:40anecdote that happened to her when she worked on another channel, in
00:16:44another video, Channel 26 and she sent
00:16:47to ask if women had dirty feet, which ended up being
00:16:51a big story, do you have any similar memory, any
00:16:54exotic request from
00:16:56Chiche,
00:17:02look with Chiche
00:17:04particularly in my person I went through... through both
00:17:08sides, no, for
00:17:09having,
00:17:12having worked with Chiche, the first Chiche who arrived in 2016 at the
00:17:15channel, all the journalists who are here in the
00:17:18morning, Chiche used to ask you those questions that
00:17:22you didn't know where to get the answer
00:17:25and and to be
00:17:28attentive to what Chiche
00:17:31would ask you, to be on the street with the
00:17:34same kids, the cameramen who told me well, but, find out that
00:17:38behind the shot there is a tree and that tree is a
00:17:41paradise and look, Chiche will ask you what kind of tree it is
00:17:45and so I had to
00:17:47just in case to know if
00:17:51Chiche was going to ask you about that sorry we have to interrupt you, we are
00:17:54in contact, we will be back with you Roda Villacrespo with Raúl
00:17:58Timerman on the other side Raúl thank you for being here on a
00:18:01very special day for us, the whole Crónica family greets
00:18:04you
00:18:08woke up with great sadness with this news,
00:18:12keeping in mind that on Sunday at
00:18:152:30 p.m. I was with you at Crónica, I was with
00:18:18Chiche, not sorry, which must have been the last one
00:18:22he did, eh, I met Chiche in his
00:18:26last
00:18:29very close to him, several things united us, no,
00:18:33first the age issue of
00:18:36having. there had been parallel
00:18:39histories in the Argentine Republic that were so
00:18:42complicated during those years,
00:18:45then we were united by our taste for Jewish food,
00:18:49we went to the same place to
00:18:53Junín street 20 meters from Corrientes,
00:18:56sometimes I would buy something and leave it at his
00:18:59house, he appreciated that
00:19:04dinner together some. that
00:19:08night and the truth is that I felt a
00:19:11very particular appreciation, he was a
00:19:13man eh of the few, well, he did
00:19:17journalism 24 hours a
00:19:20day, yes, but he had a characteristic that
00:19:24first he felt pleasure in conversation, that is,
00:19:28he established the conversation journalistically
00:19:31and felt pleasure in that, and for sure, it didn't
00:19:34bother him that the other person thought differently. let's say he had
00:19:38that intellectual tolerance, a tremendously cultured
00:19:42man he could talk to anyone about
00:19:45any topic with great ease, because he had the
00:19:48possibility of debating with knowledge, so this
00:19:51made that discussion or that dialogue
00:19:55interesting, he didn't feed with his knowledge that exchange of
00:19:59opinions, I think it's fundamental, you rate Chiche as one of
00:20:03the best three journalists in Argentine history,
00:20:06well, I wouldn't put numbers on it, I don't know if it was 3,
00:20:105, 10, he was a giant of journalism, without
00:20:13a doubt, that is, there is no doubt about
00:20:16that, I always remember, many
00:20:20years ago Chiche had a very successful program on
00:20:24television where he interviewed personalities
00:20:27and he was always impeccable,
00:20:30let's say, then talking to him,
00:20:34it seems that Cristina, his wife, who had been a model.
00:20:38married for almost 50 years, this kept
00:20:41him impeccable and one time
00:20:45they asked Nazarena Vélez, at the time she worked
00:20:49with Sof. in her prime,
00:20:52she had been on a show with Chiche
00:20:56and they asked Nazarena, she said:
00:20:59I watch Chiche Helblum on television and
00:21:03he smells clean,
00:21:05it was a definition that stuck with me, Chiche was always
00:21:09impeccable,
00:21:11totally, that was in the program Impacto 9 that he did,
00:21:15that he did all the interviews, he collected socks
00:21:19eh and...
00:21:28I don't know if it happened to you, Raúl, if you wanted Chiche's tie,
00:21:31you just had to tell him what a nice tie
00:21:34you have and Chiche's immediate answer was I'll give it to you, I think in the
00:21:38video you must have bet a tie for
00:21:42the Superclásico, they teased each other a lot with betting ties
00:21:45and trips, in fact in a bet, Raúl, I don't know if
00:21:49you. then he would pretend to be stupid, he would pretend to be foolish,
00:21:52eh, I would chase him to make him fulfill the bet, they were trips to Brazil for
00:21:56me and my wife, this, and then, of course, it was
00:21:59hard for him to face the payment of that bet, but I don't know
00:22:03if you had a similar experience with this great
00:22:06Chlum, no, what I had with him
00:22:09show, let's go
00:22:12fast
00:22:15Rodo, what was Cristian
00:22:17entering?
00:22:22No, they are family, yes, they are
00:22:25family, clear, he passed by quickly,
00:22:29Ariel Said is also at the door,
00:22:32eh, well, Ariel, who worked with us here at the
00:22:36channel, is about to enter there,
00:22:39eh, and family members are entering, I, no,
00:22:43no, we are respecting the space of the
00:22:47family members too, we are on the sidewalk across the street. respecting
00:22:51also this time and the pain, so we don't
00:22:54know the family that is entering, but
00:22:58we, from the information we have, know
00:23:01that the lady and the children would be inside,
00:23:06daughters entered with her husband and
00:23:09that's what I could see, they entered very quickly, of course,
00:23:13and they will want to preserve
00:23:17their privacy, yes. you know
00:23:20why? Because Dr. Ferrari is there, a very good friend of his, Ferrari
00:23:23too, in fact he did radio with him, a very, very
00:23:26good friend, let's see, we are on the phone with Sergio
00:23:30Massa on the other side, Sergio, thank you for being here on a very special day for the whole
00:23:34Crónica family, hello,
00:23:36good morning, yes, the truth is a very sad day, not only
00:23:40for the Crónica family, eh, I think that for all
00:23:43Argentinians, I think that Mochiche in
00:23:47some way, let's say, expressed
00:23:51first that feeling
00:23:53of and that passion for journalism that made an
00:23:57interview with him a luxury, he let you talk, he listened to you,
00:24:01hypersensitive,
00:24:03eh, a master, and then eh, I
00:24:07think he was a guy who had the enormous
00:24:09capacity to always be on top of the issues
00:24:13that meant something to Argentine society, it was a
00:24:17super special sensibility that made
00:24:20him a journalist who
00:24:23touched people's hearts, I honestly
00:24:25had the luck to
00:24:28be able to share, but
00:24:32countless interviews from
00:24:34when I was very young and was director of
00:24:37ANSES, he always gave me the opportunity to talk to
00:24:41him and he gave me the opportunity to
00:24:45I thought eh, and I think
00:24:47that that... in some way
00:24:51all those
00:24:54who, let's say, had some
00:24:57responsibility in the institutional, cultural,
00:25:00sporting, eh, political life of
00:25:04Argentina, we all had in him someone
00:25:07who in some way gave us the opportunity to
00:25:11tell people what we did,
00:25:15each of the interviewees today who are linked to
00:25:19national politics. highlight this, the empathy he had, no, a
00:25:22guy who knew about people's problems,
00:25:25eh, and at the same time everyone highlights this about
00:25:29that question outside the logical, outside the box, some define
00:25:32it, eh, some prepared and others didn't for an interview with
00:25:36Chiche, what happened to you, did you prepare for some eh
00:25:39question outside the box or uncomfortable as it is
00:25:43known, no, it's that he had the ability to
00:25:45start the conversation in the
00:25:51moment you least expected it, he would take you out of the box, so
00:25:54let's say preparation with
00:25:58Chiche was not valid, Chiche managed to make you
00:26:01spontaneous. to be eh
00:26:04extremely transparent in the conversation with him, because it was a
00:26:07conversation in which he was also listening and
00:26:11let's say he had the ability to catch what you could
00:26:15tell that he managed to make you tell without telling
00:26:18others, yes and there
00:26:21was the excellence of the journalist
00:26:25but also as a human being he was a fun guy in this sense, I wanted to ask you Sergio, how are you
00:26:29Anabelia greets you.
00:26:41they didn't know him that way, well he was
00:26:45one of those guys who maybe off camera would grab you and
00:26:48tell you hey you did great with this, hey you
00:26:52messed up with this, he was
00:26:56super, super human, super
00:26:58humble, you know that above all,
00:27:03let's say, he consolidated over the years
00:27:07as someone, let's say
00:27:09very important for an interviewee, for any
00:27:12interviewee, just like an institution, and the truth is that
00:27:16let's say, when he stood there from the healthy
00:27:20side, from the human side, he was
00:27:23super almost I would say paternal in the comments
00:27:29the look he gave you,
00:27:33he was a different
00:27:35person, super different, and also what you mention, this silence of being able
00:27:39to listen to the interviewee, not interrupt him,
00:27:41even if he didn't agree, he would let you finish the
00:27:45idea and then if he had to cross you, he would cross you, did that happen to you?
00:27:48that one felt more, you are attentive to an interview with
00:27:52always with Chiche, but that thing that he let you talk, let people
00:27:56express themselves, he, he, let's say, had
00:28:00so much authority. actual and personal when it came to
00:28:04interviewing
00:28:07we knew as the rift, Chiche was above the
00:28:11rift and had the ability to interview anyone who thought like
00:28:15him differently and nothing, and
00:28:19to be respectful, to be
00:28:24he thought in the context of the conversation and the
00:28:27interview, but listening with much, with much respect to the
00:28:30interviewee as an interviewer,
00:28:34let's say, he was one of those you wanted,
00:28:38let's say, to give him an interview, because you knew you had the
00:28:41opportunity to tell what was happening to you, what you felt, why you did
00:28:45things, even if he didn't agree, he always gave you the
00:28:49opportunity to tell it, it's true, Sergio, and
00:28:53something he always repeated, not because of his age, because of his
00:28:56experience, he was perhaps a friend of some politicians, but once they reached
00:29:00the presidency, he would say I am not a friend of presidents,
00:29:03because I am a journalist first, I mean, well,
00:29:07he always
00:29:09maintained his critical capacity, no matter if he had
00:29:13a relationship with me, he had a very affectionate relationship,
00:29:16I would say almost paternal, not in terms
00:29:19of a chat off
00:29:23front of the camera, eh, the interview
00:29:27would begin and he would set aside the emotional aspect, the
00:29:30emotional issue and... let's get to the core, to the
00:29:34core, on all topics, to the core, eh,
00:29:37and when you answered something that he didn't agree with, he would
00:29:41tell you, eh, no, this is like this because of this, because of this and because of
00:29:46he rescued that was happening to people, I think
00:29:50it's super valuable, super valuable
00:29:52and
00:29:56animal, eh, there was a
00:29:59moment, eh, I remember that... he was
00:30:03on two different channels and on radio doing three
00:30:06different things, all of them also different in journalistic
00:30:09terms, nothing, he was a beast
00:30:12working and one wondered living here,
00:30:16you know what happens, Sergio, when one saw him with the vitality that
00:30:20he always showed beyond his age and some
00:30:23health complications, one wondered where he got so much energy,
00:30:26right? That was the question that one asked himself when he saw Chiche, you rightly
00:30:32radio, at night on another channel, this and
00:30:36being in communication with his production team until late at night, he was a
00:30:39guy with a lot of energy, I'll stick with something you said because off
00:30:43camera you had a relationship of father,
00:30:47right? Paternal, everyone says the same, everyone agrees
00:30:50with this, no, it's worth highlighting, those tips,
00:30:54did you take the tips or did you listen to them, does the politician
00:30:57take the advice of a guy like Chiche?