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00:01:08Lily and Carlitos.
00:01:11All right, everything's fine, how are you?
00:01:13Well, I imagine it was a difficult day for you. You worked
00:01:17eh, let's say, when I start until the last minute. On Sunday,
00:01:20we did the show. It ended. I was just telling Lili,
00:01:24we were talking about it. On Sunday, we finished the show and
00:01:27we,
00:01:31family. It cost him a lot when his once we finished the Sunday show, we would both sit on a couch in the hallway for
00:01:33a while and plan the next Sunday. And last
00:01:36Sunday, we planned the next Sunday. So
00:01:40this Sunday that's coming up now, we were planning
00:01:44obviously, with an impressive it exactly. And well,
00:01:47life changed everything for you. And what did he
00:01:51see in the country? What did he say
00:01:53situation, how Chiche Hellum was in about how he saw Argentina? He didn't see it. I mean, the times
00:01:57we talked about the country, we both have, I mean, I
00:02:01have a political position, then each one can have their own. Chiche had
00:02:05his political position and we always talked about the same thing.
00:02:08We said, at least in the conversations we had,
00:02:12that we didn't see a future. I mean, we talked about many
00:02:15people and the truth is we didn't see a future. He didn't see a future
00:02:19to say, "well, no, this." Moreover, he is a person, or was a person,
00:02:23rather, optimistic. He
00:02:25always was. We always talked about that and I told him, "Chiche, this country is not
00:02:29going anywhere." I mean, there are situations that are happening that
00:02:33one sees hunger, unemployment, misery, beyond the position, beyond
00:02:37whether one was in favor, against, that Milei not Milei, Kirchner not Kirchner,
00:02:40beyond all that, he was a little more
00:02:44optimistic, but he saw a very complex, very complicated
00:02:48situation,
00:02:50he could do it. Yes, do you the people who marked the last 40, but he was always like that, he always looked forward, he always said, "come on, let's go." Well,
00:02:54we argued a lot. We are,
00:02:57he is much older than me, but he was a guy who loved journalism. Those who
00:03:01know me know that I also, journalism is
00:03:04fundamental in life for me, for all of us who do
00:03:07Lili. This
00:03:10detector? Oh, it slipped my was fundamental and he saw everything, he saw it from a journalistic point of view. I mean,
00:03:13there is no other way of looking at it. He loved it when you argued with him,
00:03:16always, always, always. The worst thing Chiche could have was when you told him, "Oh yes,
00:03:20Chiche, you're right. Oh yes, Chiche." So it
00:03:23doesn't work. We told each other everything to our faces.
00:03:27I mean, sometimes I didn't agree with what
00:03:31he said and I told him, and I told him
00:03:34night at the library of the Conso de on air. Our discussions were on air. What
00:03:36we thought outside, we broadcast on air, and that's
00:03:39what gave the program naturalness, beyond
00:03:43the ratings, beyond whether it performed or not, beyond all that, it was a
00:03:47natural program, it was a program that you knew was like that, inside and out. And
00:03:51how did he cope? Because 4 hours, 4
00:03:53hours, is a lot and he wasn't well
00:03:57health-wise, no, the last few months. And he would trip and
00:04:02La Tablada, and fall and he would come in, he
00:04:04would fall asleep, he didn't hear well, but
00:04:07he had the voice, it wasn't
00:04:11the one and this Sunday they already had. I mean, what we noticed, and I told
00:04:15Cristina, his
00:04:18see that in reality Poland with wife, that it was getting very hard for him to breathe, to talk,
00:04:20to breathe and count. He was getting tired. You could see the tiredness in his
00:04:24breathing, right? But he would say, "I want to go anyway." One day, I called him
00:04:28war. We are seeing the on the phone two months ago,
00:04:31I called him and told him, "Chiche, I knew he had been hospitalized and I
00:04:35told him, 'Don't come, Chiche, you're fine, recover and
00:04:37recover well.'" And he told me, "He told me this, 'No way.' It's not
00:04:41that he told me, 'No,' he told me, 'No way, I'm fine.'" I mean, he told me, "How
00:04:44can you tell me that?"
00:04:46I saw him a few weeks ago when
00:04:50he came here, of course he couldn't walk anymore, in a wheelchair, someone was
00:04:53pushing him and he immediately greeted me, of course, and
00:04:57I said, "But Chiche, how are you?" "I'm fine, how
00:05:01am I going to be?" What a question that is out of place.
00:05:05It gives me the idea that it has to do with optimism, I'm going to
00:05:08be fine and with defeated and with the desire to
00:05:12feel good, and that work was his
00:05:15leitmotif and it was what made him get up
00:05:18and go to bed and think about notes and what, what note he wanted to
00:05:21do, who he wanted to interview. He, I mean, when we
00:05:25he, I mean, for me what was left pending for
00:05:28Chiche was to interview Miley again. What we were
00:05:31talking about, he wanted one more interview with Miley.
00:05:34Of course, he wanted to talk about
00:05:37Miley, he wanted to talk about the current
00:05:41situation of the country and what we talked
00:05:44about. Even we had thought of
00:05:47Luis Caputo. I mean, we talked about that, but
00:05:51for me, it was left pending for him.
00:05:54Well,
00:05:57we'll leave you with the Chronica air. Lili,
00:06:00Carlitos, as always, guys, rest. We continue, obviously,
00:06:04with everything that happened and what is happening. We are live
00:06:08with Jessica in Tablada. Go, go, yes,
00:06:11there we go. Hello, good afternoon. Yes, that's right, good
00:06:14afternoon, Carlos, Lili, that's right. We are working in front of the
00:06:17Israeli cemetery, waiting for the arrival of the funeral procession that will be
00:06:21bringing the remains of Chiche. A few minutes ago,
00:06:24we saw the entry of a very close friend of his. We are talking about
00:06:28Matilde, Valdini, a very, very
00:06:31close friend of Chiche. She entered a few minutes ago. There is also a little
00:06:35more movement. We understand that the funeral procession will be arriving
00:06:39in about 20 minutes, more or less,
00:06:42around that time. We are working
00:06:46here, at the access. It will be the direct
00:06:49entry of the remains of Chiche along
00:06:53with family and friends. Good. Yes, as we are
00:06:56showing what is happening, what is happening with
00:07:00this, with the cortege of Chiche
00:07:03Gelblum, we are seeing
00:07:07the cemetery of La Tablada, he will rest there, his remains will rest there.
00:07:10Meanwhile, we also continue.
00:07:12Mauro Viale is not here, Natalla Jaid, well,
00:07:16many people from the community, right?
00:07:19Exactly, Marco. Go ahead, yes, please, there are also messages.
00:07:23Go ahead, yes, Patricia says, good evening, I'm Patricia from
00:07:26Valencia. I want to send a huge hug and my
00:07:29condolences for the passing of Chiche. I remember
00:07:33him with great affection from when I was an adolescent, I used to watch Memoria.
00:07:37Oh, Memoria, do you remember what a great
00:07:39program. but no, beyond
00:07:42what we were just talking about, Lili, beyond the positions, beyond what
00:07:46each one thinks, journalism has references and
00:07:50has references, right? And Chiche was one of them. I mean, obviously, he
00:07:54marked an era, he marked a style, yes, beyond
00:07:57whether he was disruptive or not, he was one of
00:08:0250 years of, clear, and he marked the last 40, 50 years of
00:08:06journalism in Argentina, whether you agreed or not with his programs, but all
00:08:10of them generated conversation, because
00:08:13that was Chiche's thing. Chiche saw notes where not everyone
00:08:17saw them, where everyone said, "But this is a topic for a note," and it turned
00:08:21out that you had 3 days, if you wanted, talking about that
00:08:24topic, and not many people have that
00:08:27ability, sorry, totally advanced, and
00:08:31one thing I always respected about Chiche, that I
00:08:34love, which is to take that from journalism, is the
00:08:38journalist who listens. It seems very important to me, because
00:08:42if you look back and we look back in a while,
00:08:45at some notes, he would ask, he would
00:08:49listen to ask that follow-up question that we all
00:08:52want to ask, and nowadays there are many young people
00:08:56who go out and want to participate, it's not like that, you have to
00:08:59listen, to ask you have to listen and
00:09:03Chiche taught it and respected it a lot. One of the last conversations we
00:09:06had, we talked almost every day, every week, we always
00:09:10called each other on the phone while. now the program's anniversary is coming up.
00:09:14We started in September last year.
00:09:17and we always talked about the same thing. I mean,
00:09:21Chiche knew why he was so important in some ways, because
00:09:25he knew that when you do a note, the note is the note,
00:09:28it's not you, I mean, he wasn't his reference, he was Chiche
00:09:32and if he did a note, the other day we were talking with Luis Machín
00:09:35and we were talking about Barreda and what
00:09:38was being told was Machín talking about Barreda, it wasn't
00:09:41me. Then Chiche would tell some anecdote, some issue that had to do
00:09:45with him, but beyond that, he knew.
00:09:48Those of us who love, we just talked about it, those of us who love
00:09:52journalism know that the note is about the other person, it's not us, when it's your
00:09:55turn, the journalist is not the protagonist, but
00:09:59then, unintentionally and because, of course, because he was
00:10:02a protagonist and he always said, "it's the note that
00:10:06Chiche made, it's the..." You realize
00:10:09there, but the note, and that's difficult because of that. But then,
00:10:13look, when Chiche was at the forefront when
00:10:16Israel recovered the Wall of the 6 Days, the
00:10:20Western Wall of the 6-Day War, he was ahead, he was
00:10:24ahead of everyone. Well, there you have it, look, an
00:10:28example, let's see, we have Jessie, yes, with Alies, Jessie,
00:10:32all yours from La Tablada, speaking of notes, Lili, exactly as you
00:10:35and Carlos were remembering, there are also people who come
00:10:39precisely because of the closeness that Chiche had with people, because that's the
00:10:42reality, I mean, he approached from another place,
00:10:46just Lorena, who is next to us, received help from Chiche
00:11:00La Salada issue came up. Oh, exactly, yes, you see,
00:11:03I said, I know her, I know her. Now I, now
00:11:07I remembered the topic. Well, I made you cry a little that day with
00:11:10everything that happened. The truth is yes, how much I cried.
00:11:14Well, tell us what you remember about Chiche, why you have him
00:11:18so present, how he helped you.
00:11:23issue came up, Chiche was constantly
00:11:27in communication with us and he always got me on
00:11:31communication and as I say, an
00:11:34anecdote, the girls, the colleagues,
00:11:37they would get to attack me and Chiche would get
00:11:41angry and tell them, "Can you let Lorena speak?
00:11:45Lorena is the one who works in La Salada. You are sitting here." That's
00:11:55you the truth, I started at 5 in the morning at the market,
00:11:59yes, I'm in Urcupiña, and well, my daughter
00:12:03sent me another message, "Do you know who died?" I never imagined, I knew
00:12:06Chiche was very sick, but I never imagined he would leave us so
00:12:10quickly, oh, and well, I finished working at 2:30 in the
00:12:14afternoon, here I am, I came to say goodbye to Chiche because he helped me too much, he
00:12:17gave me a lot of strength. Look, you came from there, from Lomas, from the
00:12:21Budge market, here to say goodbye to him.
00:12:25The La Salada market to say goodbye to him.
00:12:28The truth is that everyone who could meet Chiche through
00:12:31a call, an opportunity
00:12:35to give us to move forward. The truth is that today, today I think we are a little
00:12:38sad about what happened. A great journalist left us. I always tell
00:12:42him, when the interview ended that day, the last interview
00:12:46we had on the phone, I told him, "Chiche, can I tell
00:12:49you something?" "Yes," he says, "my dear, tell me, I'm listening
00:12:53well." I say, "The truth is you are a great journalist." "You
00:12:57say?" he told me. "Oh, how wonderful." And if the public says so, it's
00:13:07which program do you remember?
00:13:10This I didn't forget, Memoria. Oh, look, everyone,
00:13:14Memoria,
00:13:17everyone. I think that, and well, as you were showing a while ago about the
00:13:20alien autopsy, it was also like
00:13:23everything, it's believe or bust, only he could do it.
00:13:27Of course, who doesn't remember the, what was
00:13:30it called, the machine of truth and lies, the
00:13:35mind. I got emotional. The lie detector,
00:13:39right? Or when he did those live reports
00:13:43with Caniggia, the nanny, oh
00:13:46yes, also throwing from Italy so many things and
00:13:50he kept telling her things and she acted as if nothing. He was unique,
00:13:54Chiche, yes, he was unique. The truth is that many, many of the
00:13:57journalist colleagues who are here today, I think, learned a lot from
00:14:01him, the good and the bad, as we all have good and bad, yes.
00:14:05Nobody's perfect, we would say. He also had his things that others would
00:14:08dislike and perhaps one doesn't really get to know, but
00:14:12well, we have to talk about the reality. Today we remember him as
00:14:15the journalist he was, also you in your memory today
00:14:19saying he helped me and how he defended the
00:14:23working people of
00:14:27La Tablada, sorry, La Salada. I
00:14:29mean, the truth is that that's it, that's it.
00:14:33Chiche, besides that I think many people remember
00:14:36him also because he is a man who, even as an old man,
00:14:40dared to go to war. Who does that? We were just talking about
00:14:43that. The presence of Chiche in the
00:14:47war, but it's not like someone told him, "Hey, you have to." No, Chiche said, "I want to go,
00:14:51I want to go, I want to go." I mean, he wanted to go.
00:14:54Of course. Nelson Castro and he apply before
00:14:58anyone calls them because they have that journalistic
00:15:01thing. Journalism is about our
00:15:04lives or we saw everything and we see everything in relation to
00:15:08journalism.
00:15:10A note, of course, those of us who love this profession,
00:15:14practically many of us have done
00:15:17this all our lives. Journalism comes first and then there's the rest, but
00:15:21that's how it is, he would say, "oh, this is a note, this is a note."
00:15:24We talked about the World Cup.
00:15:28Chiche told me, "Oh, why don't we go to the World Cup?" I tell him, "Yes, I mean, he wanted to go." I mean, he couldn't
00:15:31go due to health issues, but he said, "Well, oh, look, I want to see if I can go to the
00:15:35World Cup." I mean, because the World Cup was a big deal. And he wanted to be
00:15:38there, exactly. Well,
00:15:42Lili, you know what? One day I
00:15:45told him, one day I told him because people used to tell us,
00:15:48"these damn black people," no, no,
00:15:51Lorena, no damn black people, you are black, but hard-working
00:15:55black people who break your backs working, he even told me that,
00:15:58imagine, how one gets marked by things,
00:16:02right? Because I used to tell him, people categorize us as damn
00:16:05black people, but I remember in a program.
00:16:14Because if it's about working and he related it precisely to
00:16:18work, exactly, exactly. Look how, look how
00:16:22we both came to the same conclusion about what he told
00:16:25me, "hardworking black people," Chiche told
00:17:19with you. Yes, we were just talking about the war when he went
00:17:23to the war in Ukraine and Russia. Let's watch a
00:17:27clip that has to do with that
00:17:30the war and how he covered the war. This happened about 4 and a half years
00:17:34ago. This happened.
00:17:38Don't go away, so we can see and
00:17:41you can also see what happened. Chiche in the war in Ukraine.
00:17:44A 45 km caravan, you know, it's like
00:17:48going from the channel to La Plata. Of course, tanks, trucks
00:17:52and soldiers and equipment. And these are not going to
00:17:55come back. Of course, they are coming to stay
00:17:59in Ukraine, they are not going to let go. Whatever
00:18:02the outcome, the outcome, let's say an open outcome, will it be a
00:18:06surrender? I don't know. The military capacity that
00:18:09Ukraine can have is ridiculous compared to what
00:18:13the Russian potential is. It makes no
00:18:17sense. You, who know about international politics, let me
00:18:20explain, it's the poorest country in Europe,
00:18:24they are advancing on the Spanish, every day
00:18:26of every day of advance, every day of this advance costs
00:18:30five hospitals, as if it were the Fernández hospital, just so
00:18:34you know, yes, yes, what happens is that, well, what is the investment of the...
00:18:45is lived in Poland, what you see, what you perceive, when I say "is lived," I
00:18:48mean in general, there, the people you met,
00:18:52with whom you already had
00:18:53a chance to speak.
00:18:56It's a permanent topic of conversation. It's a permanent topic of conversation, of course,
00:19:00and of concern because it's not easy to have the war right around the corner. It's not like you
00:19:04have it 5 km away.
00:19:07And they feel that, and they feel that Putin's attack can
00:19:11also reach them, because the Poles, I happened to be in Poland last
00:19:14year, Chiche, and when you talk to many Poles, it's like
00:19:18they are always waiting for something to happen, they are always
00:19:22on alert. They have reasons, of course, they were among the most
00:19:26affected in the Second World War.
00:19:29They were among the most affected, what happens is that Poland has selective
00:19:33memory. They don't remember what the Nazi
00:19:36invasion was,
00:19:45it's like they deny the Nazi part and yet they had it and they suffered it, but
00:19:48seen as all of us, each one lives a
00:19:52different reality, you
00:19:55the issue of the Nazis at some point was not entirely
00:19:59in disagreement because when the reconstruction was done, there was
00:20:02Chiche in the
00:20:05moment of the coverage of. He was going to Poland, this has to do
00:20:09with what happened in the war between Ukraine and Russia, and Chiche was
00:20:13one of the journalists who was in that place. We were just talking
00:20:16about Enesol Castro who was also there. Now we are
00:20:20live in La Tablada, Jessi, we are live with you. We continue in La
00:20:23Tablada, if the cortege is about to arrive at the
00:20:27Jewish cemetery of La Tablada, Jessi, it's yours.
00:20:31Yes, that's right, we continue working at Donovanal 800,
00:20:34in front of one of the accesses that this same
00:20:39Israeli will have. The funeral procession will arrive in a few minutes. We are all here
00:20:42waiting for the arrival, also, as you can see, there is
00:20:45police deployment here precisely to
00:20:49make the movement, or rather, the entry easier, not
00:20:52only for the family, the friends who are accompanying the remains
00:20:56of Chicha and Helblum, but also so that everything is more
00:21:00organized. From access E, where we are in front of the
00:21:03door of access E, about 800 meters inside,
00:21:07they will enter, what
00:21:11is it, from here 800 meters inside, they will be taking
00:21:14the funeral procession
00:21:23sister is there. For the moment, we only saw some friends enter,
00:21:26very close to him, very
00:21:30close to Chiche Helblum, and I don't know if we also
00:21:34saw the entry that, obviously, entered quite quickly
00:21:38of our colleague Ernesto
00:21:41Adidas, but well, we'll see now in a few moments if we can talk
00:21:44to him after the farewell.
00:21:48What I want to clarify or comment, rather, is that
00:21:51as media, we are allowed to enter up to here. We have to see if they
00:21:55authorize us to enter further inside, but well, for now we are
00:21:58waiting for authorization from the family, who are slowly starting to arrive.
00:22:01Let's remember, Jessi, that it's the Jewish cemetery of La Tablada, besides
00:22:05Chiche Kelvin's family is there,
00:22:08buried in that place, if I'm not mistaken, his
00:22:12sister who passed away a few years
00:22:15ago is buried there. She was there and I don't know if part of his
00:22:21sister died, it hurt him a lot, it affected him a lot, she was
00:22:24younger. There is a before and an after. His sister is the
00:22:28doctor. Oh, he talked about his sister, she's that one. I didn't
00:22:36more or less, I remember it because, he
00:22:39came to work, yes, and he asked for blood
00:22:48then on, the issue with Chiche's health also began. Yes, of course.
00:22:52Well, perhaps that was a very important blow and
00:22:55well, all those things shake you up in some way,
00:22:59right? He was already older, if she was
00:23:02younger, who knows what she died of, of course, what
00:23:05she died of, perhaps Major, due to some, that's what I was
00:23:09going to say, some terminal illness and that hits
00:23:12hard, right? In many families, especially if one is delicate. I
00:23:16remember a lot of what Chiche said about his childhood, a tough childhood.
00:23:20Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, in fact, what he often said
00:23:24is that he went from being a child to an old man, what he says is that he didn't have
00:23:27an adolescence, because of all he had to work, because of the upbringing he
00:23:31had, that he directly went, according to him, in his
00:23:35words, from being 10 years old to 80, those terms he used in the
00:23:38last interviews, well, because of the life he had and because
00:23:42he directly didn't live a traditional adolescence. Chiche's life
00:23:46at that age until he was 14 is a Calvary because
00:23:50Chiche's sister tells him
00:23:53that she is going to marry a man who is not Jewish. Oh, of course, in that
00:23:56era, so at that time it was very, very complicated, so the
00:24:00grandmother would go every day to cry at the house, ah,
00:24:03so the house was very complicated, he leaves and
00:24:07goes to live at an egg sales
00:24:10company and slept at
00:24:1314 years old on top of the egg crates, 14 years old
00:24:16he had already left home because of that situation, he dropped out of high school, he dropped out of
00:24:20high school and went to study every
00:24:24la Nación there he never finished high school, he didn't
00:24:27finish high school and what a cultured person, what a cultured person
00:24:30as you can tell, of course, but a lover of
00:24:34books, self-taught, I mean, it was
00:24:38a generation of self-taught people as well, there are many people
00:24:41from that self-taught generation, many writers, many journalists
00:24:44who Magdalena didn't have the
00:24:48opportunity
00:24:59but they always sought to learn more, to gain knowledge, that is, they didn't stay
00:25:03there saying, well, I've come this far and that's it, no,
00:25:06they looked for and looked for more.
00:25:09Longordi neither, also high school, Longo, Magdalena and
00:25:12Chiche never finished high school, no, and also, there are
00:25:16a lot, there are writers
00:25:50different from a time of television
00:25:51Carrio
00:25:54was older than but neu, that is,
00:26:35afternoon, and that today I'm
00:26:38remembering him with joy, I can't
00:26:42remember him with sadness because, well,
00:26:46I have from the wake, of course, in the presence of
00:26:49his wife, his children and his
00:26:53grandchildren, obviously, the emotion flooded us all,
00:26:56because those who have the genuine right to
00:27:00that pain are the people. his family and his close friends
00:27:04who are going to feel his absence, because in
00:27:07them he is present, of course, eh, and then
00:27:11when I remember him
00:27:14really eh, my memory is
00:27:20talking about him, I start to have fun, I start to
00:27:24remember things and the truth is that it makes me laugh, because
00:27:27he was a great journalist but he mixed police
00:27:30journalism, eh, entertainment, eh,
00:27:33extraterrestrials, the Moruroa atoll with the fish
00:27:36thrown all over the place, then all over the studio,
00:27:39I mean, and that was Chiche, Chiche had
00:27:43that creativity, he was a journalist,
00:27:47vision of reality, but
00:27:49he also liked to play, he had that playful thing that if
00:27:53he didn't deconstruct, he didn't deconstruct, it wasn't
00:27:57Chiche, that is, he was that, and when you remember
00:28:00those things and you take those... those images, you remember those
00:28:04images, it's really
00:28:07fabulous, right? Because he was a creative before anything else, an ingenious
00:28:10guy, who when the news was the news, you had to
00:28:14turn it around and turn it around, he knew how he
00:28:17did it, that is, he is the
00:28:20creator of the cover girls of Gente, because
00:28:24Gente was when he was in the 70s, he was the director of
00:28:27Atlántida, he was people of the current
00:28:31affairs then. It was, obviously, journalism, but when nothing was happening,
00:28:35he would say, "What should we put?" And he would say, "Let's put a pretty
00:28:38girl." So of course, I have a cover of Gente
00:28:42made by him where my figure is in a bikini in the
00:28:45war, I don't know where, below in the caption, of course,
00:28:48everything, everything like that.
00:28:53remember any special situation, any
00:28:57question that you said, "He can't ask me this"? He
00:29:00alone.
00:29:02I, I have a different attitude towards the press, with the press,
00:29:06I mean, if one says that they are media-savvy, for me to be
00:29:10media-savvy is very important, because you have to be able to communicate whatever, whenever, wherever,
00:29:14and with property,
00:29:17I believe that one has to allow the journalist to ask whatever they
00:29:21want, of course, they have to be able to ask themselves, well, that is,
00:29:24obviously, everything with the limits of
00:29:26education, but the journalist has to ask,
00:29:30they have to ask uncomfortable questions. When uncomfortable questions are not asked, I know that we are
00:29:34making you friends, so it's not like that, the
00:29:37journalist has to be incisive and ask
00:29:41and ask from their nature, from what
00:29:44really, that's why you are a journalist, because you see reality in a particular way that
00:29:48makes certain things bother you and then you investigate
00:29:52that, an interview also that
00:29:54you can ask that, how about that, Marcos,
00:30:03courtship with Matías Sale was on Chiche's program,
00:30:07yes, of course, and Chiche was possessed, because
00:30:45procession is arriving at La Tablada right now to
00:30:49say goodbye to Chiche, we see that the
00:30:51procession is arriving, of course, the beginning, the entrance to the
00:30:55cemetery of La Tablada. cemetery in La Tablada.
00:30:58cementerio de la tablada.