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00:04:01I told you, disappearance and mystery, Melis, well,
00:04:051 products with lower prices per where is this young man, what is his life like, another case
00:04:09of a person who apparently was swallowed
00:04:12by the earth, what do we know, Cristian, about this young man, under what
00:04:15conditions did he disappear, well, now we are in the province of San Luis, the
00:04:19family is totally desperate, we are talking about Maximiliano
00:04:23Cabrera went with his brother to meet at a
00:04:26place, in a landfill precisely, they meet.
00:04:30landfill, at one point his brother leaves with some people and
00:04:33Maximiliano stays with a couple, well, when his
00:04:36brother returns, a couple of his, no, no, a couple, a
00:04:40boy and a girl who were there, he stays with them, his brother leaves with another
00:04:44group, when his brother returns to the landfill to this meeting place,
00:04:48there we made a map to show how they
00:04:51everything, Maximiliano is not there, they don't find him anywhere, how old is
00:04:54Maxi, eh, we are talking about Maximiliano being around
00:04:5730 years old. He's an adult, there
00:05:01he is, there we are observing, he arrives at approximately 4 in the
00:05:04morning, he meets these people, eh,
00:05:08Maximiliano stays in the place with this couple I told you, and when his
00:05:12sister returns. with these friends, he was no longer there, what is the information here that
00:05:15the prosecutor's office is investigating and that is being sought at this moment in that
00:05:19landfill, that Maximiliano had had a fight with that
00:05:22male, that they fought badly, they made up, but something had
00:05:26remained, well, absolutely nothing is known, nothing is known,
00:05:30and how long did his brother take from when he went to see him
00:05:34until he arrived at the place where he was, we asked for the details, his family,
00:05:37just like Susana, who is a mom,
00:05:41is with us. connected live, welcome
00:05:44unbeatable on the Crónica screen, Susana, how
00:05:46are you, good morning, how are you, good
00:05:50morning, thank you for taking our call, Susana, tell us
00:05:53because surely you are much more involved in this investigation and
00:05:57maybe you have some data or something, what do
00:06:00you know,
00:06:03nothing, still, it's been 14 days that nothing
00:06:06is known about him,
00:06:09eh, we are the family, all of us who are going... to look for
00:06:13him, we are going to sweep because the San Luis police, the officers
00:06:16are going to come two, three, no more to the same place, the
00:06:20same part, we are tired of
00:06:23saying, yes, we are tired of saying, they have their
00:06:26materials, they have drones, they have horses, they have everything,
00:06:30we can lose him in that place, if I had a horse, I would grab
00:06:34it and go on a horse to look for my son because I am desperate, they have all the
00:06:38materials and they keep saying yes tomorrow that
00:06:41we will pass. intuition, what
00:06:44does it tell you, that perhaps he went, in inverted commas, to take
00:06:48some kind of trip, he's
00:06:52something happened to him and he's
00:06:54there?
00:06:57Mother's intuition, I know he is there and he has become disoriented
00:07:00and I say that he has gone to the field because that field is very big,
00:07:04immense, immense, immense, Susana, excuse me,
00:07:07do you think he has been lost for 13 days wandering around
00:07:11the field, it would be strange because in 13 days you can walk
00:07:14many kilometers, he could have reached the edge of the
00:07:18field,
00:07:21that field is enormous, it's very big, that field is enormously
00:07:24big, they don't look for him everywhere, they go and look for him in the
00:07:28same part, in the same part, could I
00:07:30ask Susana, why do you think he is
00:07:34disoriented, does he have any, let's say, any
00:07:38problem
00:07:39that he forgets things
00:07:42he doesn't, he doesn't have any problems, it's what happens when he
00:07:46look, I'm going to tell you, I'm a mother, I live with Maxi, with my son who
00:07:50got lost and Fabricio who are brothers, they both
00:07:53left at 4:30 in the
00:07:57morning from my house, 25 de Mayo and Chauso, they
00:08:00walked, cutting through until they reached the field,
00:08:04when they arrived at the municipal dump, they arrived at about 10 in the
00:08:08morning, my son had already been awake all night, he
00:08:11had been drinking, because I'm not going to lie, I'm going to tell the truth, my son
00:08:15drinks
00:08:16like that,
00:08:20for two days my son hadn't slept
00:08:24and was awake all night,
00:08:27you mean he was he was
00:08:31intoxicated looking for trash
00:08:34intoxicated he had been drinking, he
00:08:38was
00:08:39around.
00:08:42Did this always happen or did your other son
00:08:45tell you? No, they both live
00:08:48with me, my son Maxi who got lost and Fabricio live with me
00:08:52and they left from my house where I rent
00:08:56he left drunk with my son, both of them, but you saw him that
00:08:59morning because I'm asking you this because it was 4 o'clock, yes,
00:09:03yes I saw him, yes I saw him, because he was living with me and he left from my
00:09:07house with me, I was awake, up when they
00:09:11left and I told him, both of them, not to go because it was
00:09:14very cold and it was about to rain, ah, Susana, and this
00:09:18couple who are the last ones who saw your son, what
00:09:22did they say, what did they tell, I mean, is there any information they could have given because if they
00:09:25saw him, they were with him in that landfill,
00:09:28what can they
00:09:30tell
00:09:33what can I tell you, my son, I'm going to tell you, they arrived at 10 in the morning
00:09:36and my son's feet were hurting, nothing else, he had been awake for two days
00:09:39drinking, he told
00:09:43his brother that he was going to rest, that his legs hurt a lot and
00:09:46that he was going to lie down for a while because there are shacks there, there are
00:09:49mattresses, there is trash, he was going to lie down to
00:09:52rest, there in the
00:09:55field because there is a huge field around the landfill,
00:09:58there are shacks there, Susana, and what, for example, what
00:10:02hypotheses do the investigators
00:10:05have so far, what, what do they interpret could have happened,
00:10:08they don't even know, I tell you that...
00:10:10no saben ni ellos, así le digo que...
00:10:12it's a shame that we don't have a way to get around and we have to
00:10:16pay ourselves, looking for him to take us, for him to bring
00:10:20us to look for my son, they go two, three days and they tell
00:10:24you... yesterday we were there with the judge and she
00:10:27told us that she had
00:10:31people looking for him, we don't know if it's true that she had people
00:10:34or not, because many people go to the landfill and they inform
00:10:37us, no, there are no police officers, nobody,
00:10:40Susi, had he ever
00:10:42left home, had he taken a little trip without notifying, he
00:10:46stayed two or three days at a friend's house and forgot to
00:10:49notify you, he went out partying and didn't come back.
00:10:53in order to understand if this behavior was ever
00:10:55repeated,
00:10:57no, never
00:11:00he has never gone out anywhere, the questions you
00:11:04ask me, never, he always goes to the landfill, it's not
00:11:07the first time my son goes to the landfill, he knows the
00:11:11landfill, Las Palmas, but he looks for something, they use
00:11:14it to be relaxed there, what
00:11:17does he look for, no, he goes to look for, he
00:11:21goes to look for aluminum, he goes to look for copper, the work, the work
00:11:29he is a worker who goes to look for it there, ah, ah, okay, okay, he works, he
00:11:33works, and when he collects all his things, aluminum, copper, all that, he calls a freight forwarder, they all
00:11:37pay for it and they bring the things to the
00:11:38junk shop
00:11:41time
00:11:44I wanted to ask you about this baby who is on
00:11:47the way, eh, how is
00:11:50your son's wife or partner doing, was this a planned
00:11:54pregnancy, how is that situation, yes,
00:11:58yes, she's here, do you want her to sit here
00:12:02ask us,
00:12:05she has an 8-year-old girl and is 6 months pregnant, yes, we are
00:12:09looking for Maxi's wife who is there and who disappeared 13 days ago, guys,
00:12:13a long time ago, he was intoxicated, he has a
00:12:16consumption problem, at 4 in the morning he left the house where he lives with his mother and
00:12:20with his other brother Fabricio, eh, he
00:12:23met a couple, something happened
00:12:26there, a quarrel, a
00:12:28misunderstanding, not entirely clarified, his
00:12:31brother leaves, Caro just asked how
00:12:34long, how long were they without
00:12:38seeing each other face to face, because when Fabricio returns, Maxi was no
00:12:41longer there, here we are Susi, mom is going to connect us with Maxi's
00:12:45partner who is also
00:12:47there, there she is, there
00:12:51she is, let's talk, how
00:12:54are you? I imagine you're worried,
00:12:57of course, and yes, it's been 13 days,
00:13:0113 days, I just asked Susana the same thing, I'm asking
00:13:04you, the question that I generally like to
00:13:08ask in these cases, what does your intuition
00:13:11tell you?
00:13:14The truth is that we think he is in the field,
00:13:18because we went with the family to sweep the
00:13:22place and it is a huge field it has. and you walk everywhere and you get
00:13:25disoriented, but I'm asking you this,
00:13:28listen, because I just said the same
00:13:31thing to Susana, first that for 13 days you have to
00:13:34eat and you have to survive
00:13:38minimally by drinking water and eating something because no one resists
00:13:41for 13 days without eating, especially if you are well fed, let's say
00:13:45you get totally hungry, I mean, 13 days
00:13:48walking to any part of the field, you get somewhere
00:13:51considering that you will be walking to Luján for a day.
00:13:55No, you can't leave there, you can't
00:13:59search, we were on top of the dump because the field
00:14:03is in front of the dump and when I climbed up to see, it's
00:14:06huge, it's huge and it's all around the
00:14:10pit that would be the dump, the dump is also huge, but I don't
00:14:14understand why you can't leave there, the same
00:14:17thing, why can't you leave there, what's there, who's
00:14:21inside,
00:14:24because of animals. how are there animals, there's everything, there are
00:14:28animals, there's everything, there are vendors, there's everything and that
00:14:31place is huge, now Brenda, do you suspect this guy named
00:14:35Chelo Lucero, is this person who at one
00:14:38point had a problem, he was in the
00:14:41place, he was in the place, but we don't want to
00:14:44say anything, nothing until we have evidence or anything, so
00:14:47no,
00:14:49no,
00:14:51it can't be, anything can be because we don't know, but until I have
00:14:55proof, I'm not going to accuse anyone or anything, oh sorry, I'm
00:14:59thinking about something because the landfill is municipal, right? The landfill belongs to the
00:15:03municipality, aren't they looking for him from the municipality? I mean, aren't they
00:15:06interested in knowing if there's a person who is lost, injured,
00:15:10unconscious, with health
00:15:12problems?
00:15:14No, the truth is that we are fighting now for them to please
00:15:18use the machines, the drones, the
00:15:21horses, which are necessary things that we need for them to look for him and it's
00:15:25impossible, we've been fighting this since the day he disappeared until today
00:15:29and they always give us the same
00:15:32answer, we get the information they
00:15:35have.
00:15:37The police, the information they have is information that we have
00:15:41given them, that we have obtained, they don't notify
00:15:45us anything, regarding what Lore was asking you just now, I mean, the
00:15:48searches and so on were carried out, I mean, could there be some hole that he fell
00:15:52into?
00:15:57Yes, we all went, but they went with the dogs and all that
00:16:01stuff and they didn't find anything, oh, they went, well, they're
00:16:04moving,
00:16:07in the field across the street they have only searched a small
00:16:10piece and we are fighting for them to search the entire
00:16:14field because that field is huge, he didn't have a cell phone, we don't know
00:16:17if he's okay, if something happened to him, if he got disoriented and he's
00:16:21not well, what kind of animals are there, you
00:16:24told me there are animals, what kind of
00:16:27everything, pig, cow, everything,
00:16:31like the farmers who live there, it can be
00:16:34dangerous, cell phone. That, no,
00:16:37Brenda, he didn't have it, no, no, no, because if not it would have been easier,
00:16:41and in that place there's no
00:16:45signal, no signal, do you know if he took clothes, he took
00:16:48anything, any belonging that's not there, no, with what he had on, no, with what he
00:16:51had on, he always came back, besides you're
00:16:55pregnant so obviously no, I have a daughter
00:16:58with him too, so sure, the truth is, I'm telling
00:17:01you something, it's worrying from the point of view
00:17:05that there is no... any indication of anything, because, let's see, he has
00:17:08a daughter, you're pregnant, it's strange, it
00:17:11doesn't seem like I'm going to buy cigarettes and I'll be right back, that's not the
00:17:14case, for me, I mean, sorry to say
00:17:18this, perhaps something bad happened to him in the
00:17:22field,
00:17:23we have doubts about
00:17:26that,
00:17:27statement,
00:17:31Brenda, Brenda, sorry, because on the screen
00:17:35it says.
00:17:45Did they take a statement from this couple who found him or who
00:17:48claims to have seen him in the landfill?
00:17:51Everyone has given a statement, everyone
00:17:55and they haven't adopted but it's not certain either, so
00:17:58we don't know only
00:18:02what did that couple say about
00:18:04your husband?
00:18:07I don't know, we don't know because they don't give us information, we go to look for information and
00:18:10they say they can't give us information yet, so we don't understand, do they work
00:18:14with a drone with a thermal camera, these cameras
00:18:17that can
00:18:21is moving around the field, because with a thermal camera you can see if
00:18:25there is someone who is at 35 or 36 degrees, you quickly
00:18:28identify that, that's good, the case of San
00:18:32Luis, the missing boy, do you remember that he appeared after
00:18:35how long, a week. What happens is I was also thinking about what his
00:18:39mother said, don't go because it's very cold that morning, I mean, the
00:18:43thermal conditions of those days could have played a
00:18:46trick on him, but listen, nothing appeared regarding Maxi, because I mean
00:18:49we're going to, sorry Brenda, this is horrible what happened
00:18:53to him, something bad happened in the
00:18:56field, nothing appears, his shirt doesn't appear, his
00:19:00cap doesn't appear, his shoe, sorry, go ahead, you wanted to say something,
00:19:03excuse us, yes, sorry, the
00:19:06topic that Cristian
00:20:18is a specialist in, go ahead, I know the family won't like what I'm going to say, but unfortunately, investigations are
00:20:21like this, first the family is investigated, that circle, and then it opens up, I
00:20:25want to ask specifically, Jorge, Jorge Osán,
00:20:29Maxi's brother, around 10 in the
00:20:32morning, Maximiliano told his brother that he was going to rest because his legs hurt
00:20:36after walking.
00:20:50"Listen, they left their mother's
00:20:52house at
00:20:544:30,
00:20:57they arrived at the landfill at about 6 in the morning,
00:21:00they started eating at 10 in the morning, my partner told
00:21:04his younger brother that he was going to
00:21:07sleep, but not in the landfill but
00:21:11in the field across the street where there are all kinds of shacks, there's a place like that where they go to
00:21:14sleep,
00:24:59who planned to kill all
00:25:02his classmates, do you know how they
00:25:06found out? No, I'm not going to tell you now, in a
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