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00:00:37privileged place in politics, like Jair in
00:02:31with this last minute and we anticipated it throughout the
00:02:34morning, Lula versus Bolsonaro, in this case
00:02:38Yair Bolsonaro's son, Flavio Bolsonaro, face
00:02:42to face, the polls
00:02:45show a technical tie,
00:02:49I read polls that are more in favor of
00:02:51Lula, but well, we are there, there's a runoff or not, but the second
00:02:55round would be on October 25th,
00:02:59they talk about a... minimal difference and
00:03:02Brazil decides, obviously this will be key for the regional
00:03:05economy, here is Enrique Ortiz, Enrique, our
00:03:08special guest, Enrique, how are you, good morning, Guido greets
00:03:10you,
00:03:19there it is, we are going to fix the mobile, obviously we are working
00:03:23live, it must be said, I always rescue and point out,
00:03:26it's Flavio, Bolsonaro's son, because many people when you put.
00:03:30eh Bolsonaro, you go obviously directly to the former president who
00:03:35everyone has the right to say what today cannot run in an election, well, obviously due to what
00:03:38happened to him with justice and
00:03:40many Brazilians in Argentina who can vote, no, at so on, they talk about a technical tie, they talk about a second
00:03:43round on the 25th and we are there in full
00:03:47in full voting, Ailu, yes, depending on which poll you read, one will
00:03:50tell you that it favors Lula more, another that it favors
00:03:54Bolsonaro more, let's see, the reality is that the situation is very
00:03:57even, this will also be a conditioning factor. to have an
00:04:00overview of what may happen in Argentina, let's remember that
00:04:04understood, we talk to people from eh what is Latin America in general goes to the same
00:04:08side in elections, that is, voting more to the right or voting more
00:04:11to the center and, if you will, left, in Lula's case he
00:04:15showed himself with the flag, or rather, with a T-shirt, alluding to the
00:04:18flag that was shown during the World Cup: the Falkland Islands are Argentine, that is, he
00:04:22showed his strong support, precisely with a sector that feels
00:04:25represented by this flag, beyond the fact that we have heard the
00:04:29president afterwards. I mean, to make a comparison,
00:04:33eh, who vindicated himself with the issue of the Falkland Islands and got on board when we have
00:04:36heard him speak well of Margaret, for example, but I mean
00:04:40obviously it's an issue that remained in the world, that of
00:04:43the Falkland Islands, eh, he
00:04:45referred to the fact that the United States even Trump also finished up, and then
00:04:49it was also clarified that it was for a personal
00:04:53issue, if you will, to gain some kind of political advantage, but well, the decision is very close,
00:04:56Lula is campaigning very strongly and Bolsonaro, although we clarify,
00:05:00he is the son, of course he carries the father's banner, well, Lula voted
00:05:03early, at 9:15 in the morning
00:05:07now in Brazil, he was very confident regarding the
00:05:11elections, obviously we are talking about a technical tie and a... an extremely
00:05:15competitive election, I think you hit
00:05:17the nail on the head,
00:05:21whoever is the new president, let's think
00:05:24that only in Sao Paulo there are
00:05:2740 million people voting, obviously they are electronic
00:05:31elections, but 40 million, Sao Paulo would be almost Argentina,
00:05:35Argentina, it is the first most numerous, most numerous
00:05:38state, obviously Sao Paulo, there is a lot of
00:05:42expectation. I saw the colleague working there, special correspondent for Crónica, where obviously
00:05:46there are many people who are continuing the legacy of
00:05:50Lula's presidency, there are other people who talk about these
00:05:56the death penalty as Flavio Bolsonaro is, who has also
00:05:59expressed it publicly,
00:06:03the extreme right, no, exactly, and we come from a
00:06:07moment where the right is governing the world at
00:06:10these moments, eh, or in... almost the whole world, no, so what
00:06:14Ailu was saying will also be a parameter to see
00:06:17where we stand from now on, no, yes, more than
00:06:21158 million Brazilians will vote in this
00:06:24election, when they say technical tie, let's see, the
00:06:28last polls talk about 38% for Flavio and
00:06:3242% for Lula, obviously, look, there
00:06:36we see the image, the image of the two
00:06:38contenders and this second round that would be,
00:06:43on October 25th, yes, what Lula also
00:06:46gives is a more positive image, if you will, than
00:06:50than Flavio, because let's remember Lula, well, he comes from a career in politics,
00:06:53Flavio comes from being Bolsonaro's son, so what makes him strong
00:06:57is the surname in this case, that's why we make the clarification that he is the son, but of course
00:07:01he carries the father's banner in terms of harsh and restrictive right-wing
00:07:04policies, yes, they also talk about obviously
00:07:08fraud and exchange of documents, there are 28 arrested
00:07:12who were, were found committing fraud in
00:07:15different parts of the country, so that's not a minor detail,
00:07:19it happens like in Argentina, no, the issue of ballots, but since this is
00:07:22electronic, it has a
00:07:25control more that people who had
00:07:28already figured as deceased had voted and
00:07:33the voting, I mean it happens in the interior of the country, which I don't like the interior because
00:07:37it's the whole country, but well, I mean the provinces, there are areas that perhaps have
00:07:41less access to information. This must be remembered, one is
00:07:44usually portenocentric or Buenos Aires-centric, I mean
00:07:48thinking that what happens in the province of Buenos Aires is what is reflected in the rest of the country
00:07:52and that is not the case, especially there are sectors in the north that
00:07:56also to guarantee an election, a lot of focus must be
00:07:59placed there and I think it is important for what comes with electronic voting,
00:08:02there were three key calls from Lula prior to this first round
00:08:06to three presidents, eh, economies of world
00:08:10powers, first Xi Jinping China. then also with Donald
00:08:13Trump, pay attention to this, Donald Trump also Vladimir
00:08:17Putin, we are not talking about Lula making those three
00:08:20calls prior to the first round, obviously we are talking about one of the most
00:08:24important economies, if not the most
00:08:27important in Latin America, let's remember 158 million
00:08:30Brazilians will vote, yes Emma, and the
00:08:34repercussions in other countries like in Argentina because whoever
00:08:37expressed himself publicly regarding this election and
00:08:41expressed his support. Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva in the framework of these
00:08:44decisive elections was Sergio Maza who did so through
00:08:48social networks, yes, well, here there are
00:08:53the Brazilian embassy it will be from 8 a.m. to
00:08:565 p.m., obviously with the corresponding documentation,
00:09:00they will be able to vote, they will be able to cast
00:09:04their vote, obviously this is important because this obviously the
00:09:07Brazilian embassy puts it, it is located at Cerrito 1300
00:09:10if I'm not mistaken. No, let's see, you, the
00:09:14voter who goes to the place must go with prior
00:09:17registration and enrollment before May 7th, clear, well,
00:09:21let's also remember that the election in Brazil will be important for Argentina, because of
00:09:24our ties, for Argentina, the relationship with with the neighboring country, with Brazil, is very
00:09:28important, that's why I say, the election will also be
00:09:32decisive when thinking about what happens here, eh, regarding political
00:09:35campaigns, we know that Javier Miley, Karina Miley, Patricia Bullrich are already
00:09:39campaigning and there is a lot of talk about the opposition, who will be
00:09:42the strong candidate of the opposition, one understands that it could be
00:09:46Sergio Maxel Quisilov, we have to see who the Kishnerismo will support,
00:09:49beyond Peronism in general, in fact, President Milei supported
00:09:53Bolsonaro, that's why
00:09:56I say, that point is very well made,
00:10:00that point Ailu, because I mean President
00:10:03Milei gave his full support to Bolsonaro, Bolsonaro voted around
00:10:078 in the morning, a little earlier than he voted in Rio de Janeiro,
00:10:11also. you know, he looks very
00:10:14much like his father, but very much like his father, in fact this
00:10:18week I also read articles where I had to read that he was the son
00:10:22because he looks so much like his father, he was a senator. an
00:10:25interesting political career too, I mean in
00:10:28Brazil, no matter where you are from, we have to say that Lula is not
00:10:32the extreme right or the extreme left, less
00:10:35so now, less so now with elections, Lula is more center, center
00:10:39left eh, to make a difference with, yes, but
00:10:43Bolsonaro is extreme
00:10:46what Lula has formed is a much broader
00:10:52is what you said, Guido, at the beginning when one speaks of the
00:10:55Bolsonaro surname, one speaks of a surname that has several
00:10:59players who have had a
00:11:02the presidency, but there is also Eduardo Bolsonaro who is a fugitive from
00:11:05justice, that's tremendous, that's tremendous, I mean
00:11:08the Bolsonaro family, the
00:11:12truth is that it complicates things too much, obviously imagine that this person
00:11:15when he comes to power, if he comes to power, well, everything would indicate that it's Lula, no,
00:11:19according to the polls, but anything can happen in a second round,
00:11:23anything can happen, we are at...
00:11:268:42 also, eh, the family context, no, the father,
00:11:29the brother and so on, eh, and, pardon, Ailu, but the
00:11:33expectation is total because of what we were saying just now, I looked up the
00:11:36data well and there are 12 countries in Latin America that today
00:11:40are governed by
00:11:43the right, no, eh, besides that there are other
00:11:47countries in the world, imagine 12 countries only in Latin
00:11:51America that today eh, you see, no, a
00:11:54predominance of the right, so there is a lot of
00:11:56expectation for this round, no,
00:12:00well, in a while we will return to Brazil, we are working live
00:12:03from Brazil with our special envoy for these
00:12:07elections, let's remember they opened at 8 in the morning, the two most
00:12:10important candidates have already voted, Lula has already voted, he voted around 9:30, Flavio Bolsonaro
00:12:14voted around 8 in the morning in Rio de Janeiro and the polls
00:12:18close at 5 in the afternoon, so in a while
00:12:21we will return and surely, since the polls show this technical tie,
00:12:25there will be a second round on October
00:19:51to Brazil live, directly we are anticipating
00:19:54the elections, we are with
00:19:58chronicler, with a luxury envoy, Brazil
00:20:01decides, Lula versus Bolsonaro
00:20:04face to face.
00:20:10We are live with Enrique
00:20:11Ortiz,
00:20:15Enrique, it's all yours, please, how are you, I'm fine, everything's fine,
00:20:19well, today I was telling them before the signal cut out that we
00:20:22find things that don't happen, for example, in the Argentine Republic,
00:20:25yesterday until late at night we were seeing caravans
00:20:28of Lula and practically Bolsonaro everywhere,
00:20:32look where I am, I am here in a pastoral
00:20:35center, I am in a church.
00:20:37around here in the square there is also another church, a Catholic
00:20:41parish where you can also vote, obviously to contain
00:20:45the number of voters, more than 180 million
00:20:48people who will vote in Brazil have to find other places,
00:20:52for example, police radio commands are also enabled,
00:20:55something that occurs precisely in the
00:20:59Argentine Republic, I am here with Sandro Coelo, advisor to the
00:21:02presidency of the Republic, who will tell us how these elections
00:21:06are being experienced here in Brazil, how are you Sandro, all good, all good, good
00:21:09morning, a big hug to our Argentine brothers and comrades, we are
00:21:13here in Brazil, in full electoral
00:21:16contest, today is an important day for Brazilian democracy.
00:21:20more than 180 million Brazilians will be
00:21:24exercising their citizenship and it is a
00:21:28historic day, it is a day that defines between
00:21:30democracy and barbarism, between
00:21:34fascism and democracy, we are
00:21:37here, I am a party delegate, we are here in support of
00:21:40President Lula, the re-election of President Lula, the elections
00:21:44are here in the region where we are, proceeding
00:21:47peacefully, no, we have not had any incidents in this city
00:21:51where we are, so the election is going
00:21:54normally, very calmly until 5 p.m.
00:21:58Then we will see what the will of the Brazilian
00:22:01voter is. We just met in a school with cultural
00:22:05advisors, people from the theater, also
00:22:08various people who also spoke in favor of Lula, but we also
00:22:12spoke with Bolsonaro's people who claimed there was fraud, because they
00:22:15didn't get a certificate or something when they did the digital, they didn't
00:22:19trust the Brazilian digital system much, what do
00:22:22you say about this? it's interesting that these people
00:22:26who say that the digital system doesn't work, all of them
00:22:30were elected, Flavio Bolsonaro himself, who is a presidential
00:22:33candidate, was elected four, five times as a state deputy in Rio de Janeiro by
00:22:36this same system, Jair Bolsonaro, his father, was
00:22:40elected in 2018 by this same system, it is a
00:22:43secure system, Brazil is an example of the democratic
00:22:47system and the electoral process, the electronic voting machines
00:22:50are audited, they are extremely reliable, they
00:22:53want the printed
00:22:56vote to return, because you have to move a whole
00:23:00team of supervisors, since the machine of the Brazilian right is
00:23:03very large, it becomes easier to commit fraud if it is in the
00:23:07old system, I am from the time when the vote was printed
00:23:11and there was a lot of fraud, the Brazilian electoral
00:23:14system, the Brazilian electronic voting machine is an example for the
00:23:18world, whoever doesn't want...
00:23:20whoever doesn't think it is because they are afraid
00:23:24beforehand of defeat, Lula will win
00:23:27today in the first round with absolute certainty, Brazil deserves it,
00:23:31Brazil needs it, Brazil cannot go back,
00:23:34including about the electoral urns, let's see, there is a latent fear
00:23:38tonight that if Bolsonaro wins, for example, as much as Lula
00:23:41wins, another faction also has problems,
00:23:45there are disturbances tonight after the elections, what do
00:23:49you say? No, I don't believe that there
00:23:53will be disturbances, eh, what happened on January
00:23:568, 2023,
00:24:00eight days after Lula's inauguration, was an attempted
00:24:04coup d'état, they did not accept the defeat to
00:24:07Lula in 2022, they attempted a coup d'état, that no longer exists,
00:24:11Bolsonaro is in prison, there are more than 1,500 people in prison,
00:24:15convicted, his justice minister is in prison, his
00:24:19vice-presidential candidate is in prison,
00:24:22the STF works fully, so we have no
00:24:26hypothesis whatsoever, any type of fear about
00:24:30disturbances in Brazil from the results, the election results,
00:24:34Brazil is a democratic country, it is a country of
00:24:38more than 8,500 km of maritime
00:24:41border, it borders almost all
00:24:44of South America and we believe that
00:24:48democracy in Brazil is full, now. Thank you very much, Fabio, who
00:24:52is an advisor to the presidency of the Republic, eh, well, I was telling him
00:24:55today about these particularities that Brazil has, no, eh, these
00:24:59particularities have to do with this, all the churches, yes, tell me, no, no, no,
00:25:03no, tell me, sorry I interrupted you, the
00:25:06delight, I would say, no, No, all the
00:25:10evangelical churches around today
00:25:13are ready for voting. There are five Catholic
00:25:16parishes, also, where people can vote. And
00:25:20all the places, the evangelical centers that were
00:25:23specifically enabled for people to vote, only
00:25:27in these three blocks where we are around, that you are
00:25:31seeing, only in these three blocks and in these places, more
00:25:35than 350,000 people will vote, who still
00:25:39have not come at this time of the morning, not even
00:25:4315% have voted. They say there will be
00:25:46a lot of blank votes, another peculiarity that I'll tell you.
00:25:54Precisely the quantity, we refer to Sao Paulo, you have 40, 40 million
00:25:58inhabitants, 158, 158 million will vote throughout
00:26:14afternoon, people are not coming to vote, that's it, that's the
00:26:18point, low participation, but why is this,
00:26:20Enrique?
00:26:23Clearly, well, that's what we were talking about also with people from the
00:26:27presidency who have been there since very early, we have found them in several schools,
00:26:31maybe people are not. Or there are, uh, with neither of the two
00:26:34candidates, there's maybe a bit of a lack of desire to vote, so
00:26:38they fear the blank vote a lot too, that it could happen. The thing is that after
00:26:42midday this could change, this here could
00:26:45explode and everyone could come after midday. A very big storm
00:26:49last night that extended until almost 7 in the
00:26:52morning, there was hail here in the area, actually, it was quite
00:26:56quite, quite strong, the storm was, it could be for that reason too that
00:27:00everyone was delayed, but...
00:27:04How? What point are you
00:27:05at?
00:27:10Enrique? Well, we are at the point of a central square where on the other
00:27:13side is one of the many squares of San Pablo and finally I'll
00:27:17tell you something, because here in this sector where we are, here is the
00:27:21evangelical part, on the other side is the part of the Catholics where the
00:27:25parishes are and these parishes can also be voted in. That
00:27:28is, everything that does not happen in Argentina, today you ask.
00:27:32why this was happening and it's because of the number of voters, we with 40
00:27:36million inhabitants, well we can, uh, vote in schools
00:27:39directly, but here 180 million people
00:27:42vote, so all evangelical places are enabled
00:27:46that Bolsonaro's government ended up
00:27:49enabling for these evangelical centers so that people can
00:27:53vote, so they open the halls, they open the
00:27:56parish halls and they open the same churches so that people
00:27:59can come to vote and that this is a bit more.
00:28:26regarding the discontent there is also the lack of education because, let's see,
00:28:29we talk about the fine, the fine that is insignificant for the Argentine
00:28:33pocket, in fact the majority does not pay the fine for not voting, let's remember that voting is
00:28:37mandatory, but beyond this, it seems to me that it has to do with social
00:28:40commitment, I mean young people today who are perhaps the ones who
00:28:44vote less regarding age groups, it's because they
00:28:48don't have the conviction to go for a political stance and
00:28:51they understand that their blank vote can make a
00:28:53difference, in fact it has been talked about at some point, I hope this doesn't happen, it seems
00:28:57a bit exaggerated these days, but that the blank vote wins at some
00:29:01point of... regarding the discontent there is for a
00:29:04political stance, it seems to me that this also has to do with the educational levels we have
00:29:08being among the lowest of all time, ailu kique, to highlight some
00:29:12points, maybe it wasn't understood by the "Portuñol"
00:29:16of the advisor just now for Kike to respond like that because if not with the
00:29:20delay it will be tremendous, tell me
00:29:21Kike
00:29:25I'll tell you a particularity also of what is happening here in this sector, 80,000
00:29:29foreigners are enabled to... vote,
00:29:33a survey was conducted among foreigners of the entire area, of these
00:29:3680,000, 75%
00:29:40although Lula da Silva gave them the papers and authorization to vote,
00:29:44they will vote for Bolsonaro, this survey
00:29:47that was given, that well, that was done in recent days, had to
00:29:51do with this and also made Bolsonaro grow a little in the
00:29:54polls, because the foreigner
00:29:58who Lula enables to vote, this
00:30:01practically. they end up voting or would vote for Bolsonaro, it's not
00:30:07the culture, we just talked with a very big
00:30:10producer here who we will already pass the note that we recorded
00:30:13precisely, who is Sam, one of the producers
00:30:17of Avenida Brasil, the famous soap opera, also that has brought
00:30:21great Argentine artists and international artists to
00:30:24Brazil, we talked to him and he just told us that the people of the
00:30:28culture support Lula, but many of these
00:30:31sectors of the culture turned around for economic
00:30:34arrangements
00:30:36in recent weeks, they changed their thinking precisely
00:30:40towards Bolsonaro, this is what he told us and it was also
00:30:43Sam Lopez's anger that we talked to him a few minutes
00:30:47ago precisely in a school he went to vote and we went to interview him, but
00:30:51this sector, those of the culture will prefer to vote,
00:30:55yes, tell me, the message is very clear, what you are saying is very
00:30:58clear, 11:30, so we will continue with this coverage in
00:31:025 minutes I'll come back to you, does that sound good, if you want to find someone to talk to,
00:31:06I'll give you 5 minutes and we'll go back to Brazil.