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00:00:00I was just telling you that we talked to someone from the culture sector, a
00:00:03very renowned producer a few minutes ago, eh, there are many
00:00:07people from culture who directly
00:00:09began to support Lula in the last period, because they realized
00:00:14other products that are part of what had happened with Bolsonaro, this also added many
00:00:17votes to him, because the followers of these people, those who are artists
00:00:21and so on, added many votes to
00:00:24Lula too, this must also be said, and the polls, when
00:00:28they started to go much more towards Bolsonaro, they started to
00:00:31equalize and again put Lula in front, it has to
00:00:35do with these campaigns that these artists did in
00:00:49Brazil, uh, what can happen with the economy if Bolsonaro
00:00:53wins, if in case Bolsonaro wins, does the economy change
00:00:56or not, whether Bolsonaro wins or Lula wins, it has
00:01:00to change, it has to change, if not we will have a
00:01:03crisis, so it has to change
00:01:07and see what project both have for change, the election
00:01:10is like elections, you see, they promise
00:01:14everything, then not, but they didn't promise how they are going to
00:01:17fulfill it, which is what we have to see,
00:01:21is it a wish, Roberto, or is there something concrete that you see
00:01:25that Bolsonaro or Lula will take a measure that would change
00:01:28Brazil. for now only good
00:01:32intentions, but as Machiavelli said, the road to hell is
00:01:35paved with good intentions, for
00:01:48seeing that, that race that Lula made, he made it
00:01:50practically throughout the campaign, why does he run out, why did
00:01:54he run out to the events, because they had said that he was very sick,
00:01:58even during the campaign it was said: that wasn't Lula but a double of
00:02:01Lula, but this obviously Lula denied
00:02:03it, sorry, Tamí, the hat has to do with the fact that he
00:02:07has skin cancer and they detected it in the scalp
00:02:11area, clear, now this that he is so close with the votes and
00:02:15that there is talk of an October 25th, a runoff and so on, who does it favor,
00:02:18because let's see, he is a president who if the economy
00:02:22were very good, if the workers' rights were not
00:02:25discussed, he would have to win easily, what is it due to,
00:02:29an ideological issue, there it is, uh, Brazil is a divided country, Roberto
00:02:33just said that from the middle of Rio de Janeiro upwards it's
00:02:36Lula, from Rio de Janeiro downwards it's Bolsonaro, they are two different countries,
00:02:40more in the south in Porto Alegre, they even thought of
00:02:44becoming independent of what has to do with it, also Lula's
00:02:47coalition expanded or not, Carlos, because it includes Marina Silva,
00:02:51who was her opponent at the time, well, but that's precisely to
00:02:54expand, gain votes and become more competitive, she is third in the polls,
00:02:58which is what she just said. important
00:03:12large difference for Lula with institutional, well, she continues in the formula and she is the one who has the precise link, the artists did a
00:03:16people, who since yesterday also in campaign, repercussions, right, of the
00:03:20the microphone, the microphone, in fact Lula trusts to win in the first
00:03:24round, in fact the reports say that they did everything with this
00:03:28artistic movement to support Lula's candidacy and deny this that
00:03:32he is in poor health, well, now the issue comes
00:03:35because there was an event in Rio de Janeiro, following what you said, Nadiar, there was an event
00:03:39called by Caetano Veloso, Caetano Veloso at one point started to
00:03:42call, but it was also one of the most important
00:03:46calls that Lula had in the campaign, Nadiara, yes, yes, in fact
00:03:49there are many artists, not only Caetano Veloso, but also others from the
00:03:53younger movement on social networks, Yuya, they
00:03:56support him and some decide to vote for Lula.
00:04:00They say that the difference in the first round would be enough for them not to go
00:04:05is happening regarding what now let me show you what has to do with the closing of to a second round in the first, but here you see that artists are very questioned if they commit to
00:04:09one or another political stance, in Brazil, as you
00:04:11good for Lula, who has also say, it's a bit more open, you can express yourself freely without then
00:04:15having any consequences, a
00:04:18for being a coup plotter, here we are seeing cancellation or also harassment that they receive, they are more
00:04:21seasoned, they do it too, but during the campaign in
00:04:25Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro is Bolsonaro territory,
00:04:27that's crystal clear. They are from Rio de Janeiro,
00:04:31Bolsonaro always wins, Bolsonaro always won in Rio de
00:04:35Janeiro, but beyond that, the event was held in Copacabana, Gilberto Gil,
00:04:38Maria, Caetano Veloso, many musicians and many
00:04:42important cultural and art components in Brazil were there,
00:04:46Carlos, what Nayara says about the conviction in the first round depends on something very
00:04:49important in Brazil, it depends on the number of blank votes
00:04:53and null votes, which they say can also be a large margin that
00:04:57prevents reaching a first round. of Lula's most important
00:05:00campaign promises has to do with the Argentine Malvinas, I think
00:05:04it was Friday when an Argentine gave him these T-shirts, the
00:05:08Malvinas are Argentine, this black T-shirt was in full campaign, yes, and Lula
00:05:12showed it, it has to do with
00:05:15obviously Lula's support for the issue of the Malvinas being
00:05:19Argentine, something that for example does not happen in Chile today where there was a
00:05:22congress of businessmen in the south of Chile to try to link Chile with
00:05:26the islands, well, this does not go unnoticed, eh, if Lula wins
00:05:30or if Bolsonaro wins, it reorganizes the Argentine political map a bit too,
00:05:33no, with whom each one will align, we can already assume with whom
00:05:37each Argentine politician is aligned, but well, it will also
00:05:40determine what structures. political and economic structures must
00:05:53the issue of Bolsonaro or Lula is also
00:05:57approaching,
00:06:01well, people are starting to mobilize here, look, a while ago
00:06:05there was no one, now the place is completely full,
00:06:09look in all sectors, we are going to try to talk
00:06:12to people a little so that they can tell us about
00:06:16this election day, there are also tables for older people, eh, they have
00:06:20wheelchairs, they have a lot of people already arranged
00:06:22to assist
00:06:32calm, it is proceeding normally, normally and
00:06:35without incident as expected with security, with security, with
00:06:39joy, joy comes for the
00:06:42right side or for the left side for the left side
00:06:46the left
00:06:54that's why it's to try to make Brazil grow
00:06:57in
00:06:59America, ma'am, you also
00:07:03see
00:07:05a sovereignty of Brazil for the sovereignty of
00:07:15or left today, left,
00:07:18always,
00:07:21always, well, it's two to one here,
00:07:29left, right, for
00:07:32sure, well, two, two to one, we're already
00:07:35adding up,
00:07:43right too,
00:07:46sumando los votos acá gente
00:08:04right or left,
00:08:14survey for Argentine television, uh, let's
00:08:17see, where are we pointing today, left or right, right,
00:08:21totally right, why right, because the right, because the
00:08:25left, for the family, for the children, against this
00:08:29anarchy, this robbery, this
00:08:31mess, this STF that only
00:08:35steals, that is creating a dictatorship that people are not realizing,
00:08:38totally right. and glad you arrived before
00:08:43us there with with you, you arrived
00:08:46before us, we are late.
00:08:49sorry, Kiki, uh, I didn't want to
00:09:01lady said, but beware with San Pablo, it's Bolsonaro,
00:09:04Rodrigo de Freitas, who is the governor of San Pablo, is a man who
00:09:08started his political career with Lula and then. He
00:09:11ended up being Bolsonaro's candidate and won, eh,
00:09:17the campaign there, I'm coming, which has to do with Bolsonaro's campaign,
00:09:21Flavio Bolsonaro, we are seeing one of his sons, he has three sons, this
00:09:25Yay Bolsonaro who is imprisoned, condemned to 27 years in prison
00:09:31what is the closing of Flavio Bolsonaro, Rio de Janeiro is
00:09:34or one of the points is in Rio de Janeiro, Rio de Janeiro
00:09:38is Bolsonaro, San Pablo is or has a lot of Bolsonaro
00:09:41despite the fact that Lula. is from San Pablo, he
00:09:45practically grew up in politics or in syndicalism,
00:09:49yes, it is very strong, and the south, the south has a very
00:09:53strong presence of Bolsonaro, now that the lady
00:09:56just said the STF which is the this the supreme court of
00:09:59justice is important because the supreme court of
00:10:03justice is the one who decides the election and the one who manages, eh,
00:10:07it would be Rosati's of
00:10:09Brazil, he is very friendly with Lula and what... they did during the
00:10:13campaign from one side and the other, criticize the people who were
00:10:17in this, in the supreme court of
00:10:19justice, he points out in his
00:10:21speech,
00:10:25everything that is happening right now in Brazil has a lot to do with Argentina,
00:10:36we were just talking about the overexposure to credit, the
00:10:39over-indebtedness, what position banks take on this
00:10:43issue and we also have when
00:10:46Lula spoke specifically about banking
00:10:48entities,
00:10:52people spend more easily with credit cards. Yes,
00:10:56and he will only see the damage at the end, yes, so we are discussing
00:10:59with the central bank, we are going to prohibit banks from giving more than one
00:11:03credit card to people. He said he would talk to the
00:11:06president of the central bank to raise a project to end
00:11:10credit cards, only one credit
00:11:14card per person, only one will
00:11:16be allowed, that's the project he wants, why? Because he says credit
00:11:20cards lead to indebtedness, it's
00:11:23absolute, no, here the Argentine government believes it's a problem between
00:11:27private individuals, that there is no problem of over-indebtedness,
00:11:30overexposure to credit, there Lula is
00:11:33using it as a campaign platform, the fact of saying if there is a problem of
00:11:37indebtedness, yes, we have to solve it with a
00:12:25at the last table where our team is waiting for
00:12:28them, eh, many Argentinians with their CPF who are already authorized to
00:12:32vote today, so we are waiting for them to see
00:12:35among the Argentinians who they are going to vote for, if they are going to vote for
00:12:39Lula or if they are finally going to vote for Bolsonaro, well, for any of the other 13
00:12:43candidates, eh, yes, they don't only elect president
00:12:46but today they are electing different levels,
00:12:50no, deputies, governors, eh, deputies.
00:12:54Yes,
00:13:07we just spoke with a couple of candidates
00:13:09for national deputy, for governor and
00:13:13so on, who well, they were trying to add
00:13:16microphones to talk, we obviously
00:13:20tried to talk more than anything with the people, with the delegates, those who are in
00:13:23charge of the schools, not with. candidates,
00:13:26but we talked with several who were telling us their
00:13:29opinion, from Bolsonaro's side, since early today
00:13:33they have been doing this campaign with people
00:13:36that there will be fraud, this comes from Bolsonaro's
00:13:41the caravans are saying that there would be fraud, eh,
00:13:45it has to do with the fact that they are already pointing out that Lula could win in the first
00:13:49round, we don't know, but what happened this morning at a school that
00:13:53we also talked with one of the...
00:13:55eh managers and also a Bolsonaro
00:13:59representative told us today everything is ready for fraud, they don't
00:14:03give you a card, they don't give you a ballot, they can change it in the
00:14:06machine, the truth is that this is what Bolsonaro's
00:14:10people were trying to promote
00:14:27is happening in Brazil, thank you for attending us at this time, Leticia, why
00:14:31is today's election so important for Brazil, what is Brazil playing
00:14:34for today, well, look, I am in Buenos
00:14:37Aires covering the patriotic
00:14:41voting in Argentina in Buenos Aires, well
00:14:44exactly, which is a gigantic
00:14:47community of almost 1200 people who will
00:14:50vote within a universe of 7000
00:14:54Brazilians. who live in Argentina, well, what
00:15:09have about the votes from Oceania
00:15:12and Asia, which has a time difference, they gave
00:15:1660% victory to
00:15:19Flavio Bolsonaro, Flavio Bolsonaro winning
00:15:23abroad.
00:15:26Or Oceania and Asia, now the countries
00:15:29are missing, those from Europe
00:15:33and also from the United States, so we have an
00:15:36expectation. during the course of the day, what happens in the United States is also
00:15:40important, taking into account that there is a very important
00:15:43Brazilian community in the United States, one of the largest outside Brazil, yes,
00:15:47the abroad in some way marks a thermometer, but I also ask you,
00:15:51eh, at one point, in the
00:15:54Bolsonaro, Lula debate, women were decisive in the vote, here women
00:15:58again play a crucial role,
00:16:01uh, look,
00:16:04eh, it's true. eh the
00:16:07number of women who are
00:16:11eh eh eh part of Brazil, the
00:16:13Brazilian citizens, even if they are in other countries, are the
00:16:17majority, yes, 50%,
00:16:21eh, men 40-something plus or minus,
00:16:24so, so if, obviously,
00:16:28no, women dictating, in
00:16:31this case, if they are favorable, and many
00:16:35are more favorable to Lula than to... Bolsonaro,
00:16:38the poll said that the
00:16:42vote within the universe of men and
00:16:45women, women are the ones who most decide to
00:16:58was asking, what do women say? How do women play in this election
00:17:01there in San
00:17:02Pablo?
00:17:06Well, let's ask women, I'm going to ask them to turn up the
00:17:09feedback as much as possible because inside it's practically impossible to hear
00:17:13them, but we're going to talk to the women who are arriving
00:17:17here to see because let's remember it's the continuity of the Bolsonaro
00:17:20surname which is very
00:17:32left today?
00:17:33hoy?
00:17:38With the right, with the right, why this election?
00:17:42Because, because less vagabond, and I
00:17:45get nauseous with Lula because he said that if there
00:17:49was no food, we should eat rice, like
00:17:53how can I say, these things happened, and Bolsonaro, I never
00:17:57heard him say that. Thank you very much,
00:18:00eh, look, we just spoke with another young woman who was also on the
00:18:03side of eh of the left and then others who were
00:18:13television, we are from which side we are pointing, right or left
00:18:17today? Let's root
00:18:20for the right to win, but yes, the right
00:18:24too, yes, they will root for the right, but why this, because it is said that
00:18:27women always or would be supporting Lula, why this
00:18:31change, I think our country is
00:18:34very
00:18:37- bankrupt, right, everything is broken, everything
00:18:40is not as we expected, who would
00:18:43be broken and because Argentina is not, I don't know, so
00:18:47I think everything that is happening we are seeing the
00:18:51robberies, of everything that is happening.
00:18:55why did the value of things increase,
00:18:58ah, right, what we can't achieve anymore, what we
00:19:02seek is to see our country grow and see...
00:19:06crescer e ver...
00:19:45center-right, she is, she is not so extremist, she doesn't go
00:19:49to extremes so much, so she places herself sometimes
00:19:52more on the right side, the more liberal issue,
00:19:55right, economically liberal, economically liberal, I like
00:19:58a more talked-about politics, I don't like
00:20:01extremes, I think our country does have quite a few social problems that...
00:20:05no, give me a second because I wanted to ask Leti
00:20:25about this, Leti, how is Brazil's economy, what do Brazilians say about the
00:20:29day-to-day economy, is it enough for them, is it not enough, what do they say,
00:20:32yes, well, this is important because the wallet.
00:20:36el bolsillo.
00:20:50we currently have a purchasing power that is quite
00:20:53diminished, where one goes to the supermarket and cannot
00:20:56fill the basic basket, yes,
00:20:59from meat to the
00:21:04the basket, so this problem eh of the
00:21:08Brazilian's wallet, of a Brazilian woman,
00:21:11yes, matters a lot and is also
00:21:14influencing the rotations, another important point
00:21:17that we must mention is that of security. This is
00:21:21something that also plays a role in the decisions of
00:21:24voters, important, eh, well, now Leti, what
00:21:27the population is asking for is a tougher hand in
00:21:31Brazil, regarding the control of violence
00:21:34and crime, yes, yes, it's
00:21:38true, we have two types of violence that
00:21:41I eh, I can define like this so
00:21:45that everyone can understand, first what we have is
00:21:48daily violence. A woman who leaves at 5 in the morning to take a
00:21:52bus and work far from her home, she leaves the urban area,
00:21:56right, so eh she is
00:21:59assaulted, raped, all of that is difficult for
00:22:02her to eh eh do her
00:22:06job and and continue
00:22:08in safety, well that is the first type of violence,
00:22:12the second type of violence comes from criminal factions,
00:22:15PCC and Red Command, where
00:22:19they have like a
00:22:21court
00:22:24of of of a court, no, a parallel power
00:22:27where even to buy gas, obtain internet
00:22:31services, yes, it has to go through their hands,
00:22:35because they monopolize those services, this
00:22:38is a type of violence, the freedom to be able to
00:22:42choose how to buy, where to buy and the price one wants
00:22:45to pay, well, you can give just a little piece of information that Leticia provided.
00:22:501568 femicides occurred in 2025 in Brazil,
00:22:53which was 4.7% more than in
00:22:562024, that's why Leticia points it out as one of the problems, and
00:23:00also we have to consider that Brazil has almost 250 million
00:23:03inhabitants, Leticia, that problem you
00:23:06raised about the economy on the one hand and security on the other, who sets the agenda in
00:23:10this election, does security beat the economy or does the economy
00:23:14beat security? Well, I think they go hand
00:23:18in hand, they are two things. that complement each other and are
00:23:21interdependent, yes, if I understood the
00:23:25question, it's something that one has to have
00:23:28the security of being able to buy, yes, the things one
00:23:32needs to feed one's children, yes,
00:23:35also the security of
00:23:37walking with tranquility in one's
00:23:41city and entering one's place and feeling
00:23:44safe, well, Leticia, so far the international
00:23:47observers in Brazil I read that, they are seeing the elections
00:23:51proceed normally, that people are going to vote
00:23:55calmly, what I want to ask you, beforehand,
00:23:58the polls talk about a
00:24:02the opponent, what is perceived in the exit polls, I mean prior
00:24:05to these elections, well, it continues with a
00:24:09runoff scenario, a technical tie,
00:24:13yes, the most concrete thing we have is from people
00:24:16who do not live in Brazil. These are from these countries
00:24:20of Oceania and Asia that gave the
00:24:24victory to Bolsonaro and a rather
00:24:27large victory
00:24:30of 62% point something eh
00:24:33as opposed to Lula's value, well, there
00:24:37we are seeing Bolsonaro who already has 60-something votes in
00:24:41Asia, that Flavio Bolsonaro closed his campaign in Rio de Janeiro
00:24:44practically at home, furthermore, his father is detained
00:24:48in Rio de Janeiro and requested
00:24:55Leti was saying? Economy and security, economy and insecurity,
00:24:59Quique, yours.
00:25:01Well, it's changing,
00:25:05we told you that we traveled a lot, from
00:25:08Florianopolis, Torres, San Pablo, eh, we were
00:25:12there a few days ago personally in Rio de Janeiro,
00:25:15it depends on where you are. to have a majority, for
00:25:19example, in Rio de Janeiro, Lula, he is the best, whoever
00:25:22you ask, out of 10 people, nine will
00:25:26tell you that they will vote
00:25:29precisely for Lula, it's not the same in
00:25:33Porto Alegre, because Porto Alegre, the Florianopolis area and so on
00:25:37that has more business and gastronomy
00:25:41and hotel staff and so on,
00:25:44all are in favor of Bolsonaro, that's why I tell you, the polls vary
00:25:48according to the place where they are conducted.
00:25:50if we do them in this area, surely I will tell you that it is 50-50%,
00:26:07the right side prevails, the right
00:26:10right because we want a better country, we have a
00:26:14very indebted country, a country with many problems.
00:26:17financial interest rates are very high and we want Brazil
00:26:20to change, we want to change, they had a lot of time to
00:26:24change, they didn't change, today we want Brazil to change, that's because that's what
00:26:27would change, for example, with Bolsonaro, with Bolsonaro it would change because
00:26:31we know that he has another life project, a government project,
00:26:34his government is to lower interest rates, to bring more
00:26:38jobs to companies that remain in Brazil, which are not
00:26:42remaining, companies are going to other countries, including Paraguay, Bolivia, Colombia,
00:26:45Argentina, and here businesses are having a lot of
00:26:49difficulty, I am a businessman,
00:26:52I feel a lot of
00:26:55difficulty, in the frozen food sector,
00:26:58uh-huh, it's not going well, it's not going well, a lot of difficulty.
00:27:03very high interest rates, a lot of difficulty indeed, we want a
00:27:12sorry, sorry for the interruption, what the gentleman was saying
00:27:15is the same thing that happens in some parts of Argentina with respect to credit
00:27:19cards, there are very high interest rates, it's impossible to pay a credit,
00:27:22this is what the gentleman says, we are in San Pablo in this place here that you were saying
00:27:26just now 50 and 50, 50 Bolsonaro, 50 this
00:27:30stable economy, within everything it's an economy that within
00:27:33everything is stable, but what they are saying is that there are many
00:27:37interests and that normality must return, and what the gentleman said is,
00:27:40Bolsonaro is the only one who can go back at
00:27:44this point and return, in inverted commas, to normality in Brazil, according to what
00:27:47he said, let's see, a Bolsonaro who is more inclined to Milei
00:27:51to let the market accommodate things, no, although Milei is a quite
00:27:55particular extreme that does not resemble other right-wing
00:27:58leaders, the truth is that Lula is the one who is
00:28:01giving concrete data, concrete titles regarding
00:28:04over-indebtedness, so far in the campaign Lula has been more concrete than
00:28:08Bolsonaro regarding that issue, but anyway, what society asks for that
00:28:12votes for Bolsonaro, that part of society that votes for Bolsonaro is to say, well, enough, just now that girl
00:28:15said, enough of telling me that I can only eat rice, beans
00:28:19and eggs, that's what the girl said, Bolsonaro doesn't tell you that, and the
00:28:22lady who said that she talked about the center is surely the third way,
00:28:26Fran, no, what she also says is the debt on credit cards in an
00:28:30interview. Lula said very clearly,
00:28:33we have to put an end to the arithmetic of bankers, the more
00:28:37you pay, the more you owe, it's a madness, well, we continue live,
00:28:40let me ask Quique, you were just talking
00:28:44about this, what do they say about this issue of the economy,
00:28:47is there food, I don't know, since you were
00:29:04in most of the places where we
00:29:08were, where we were talking to people inside the markets,
00:29:11we even talked to cashiers and so on, they were in favor of
00:29:15Lula, why? Well, because of the economic support they continuously
00:29:18have, uh, this whole area here, I'll tell you that it also
00:29:22grew in part due to what Lula has done with respect to these
00:29:25foreign companies that come, it happened with a motorcycle company
00:29:29that in Argentina enters as if nothing, without any problem
00:29:33with import, these electric motorcycles, for example, when
00:29:36they came, the same as vehicles, Lula told them,
00:29:39look, you can come to Brazil, but the labor, the assembly,
00:29:42you have to do it in Brazil and you have to do everything in Brazil,
00:29:46so they set up these industries in Brazil,
00:29:49the electric motorcycles come out great because you're going to see them, you're going to see them everywhere,
00:29:52electric motorcycles and bicycles everywhere, now what happens,
00:29:56the... they end up manufacturing in Brazil, they don't only come
00:30:00from China or Europe and so on and that they bring imports like in the Argentine Republic,
00:30:03this generated labor, generated employment,
00:30:07generated work for the mechanics of the area, the bicycle repairmen
00:30:10of the area, so this was
00:30:14campaigned with this type of thing, this increased
00:30:17in this area specifically the number of votes for Lula,
00:30:21yes, now here we have Leticia,
00:30:23who has crucial information about what
00:30:27is happening in Brazil at this moment, uh, and Leticia,
00:30:30I wanted to ask you if you think that society is tired of this
00:30:34polarization that happens quite often between
00:30:38Bolsonaro and Lula or that this divide is
00:30:41already so marked that it is impossible to get out of this
00:30:44dichotomy, that there is no third way, you know,
00:30:47for these elections, it's this, let's see, we are listening to you,
00:30:50yes, in these elections,
00:30:58right?
00:31:02no?
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