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00:00:00in Buenos Aires, yes, the impact of a
00:00:04candidate's time or another in terms of regional
00:00:08election is going, no, we talked politics is more important, not so much for the bilateral relationship with
00:00:11Argentina, now Trump has joined this equation and
00:00:16happen with the previous votes, I will also add that I would be interested, we talked a lot in the campaign about China, right?
00:00:19How do they remain? Because these are obviously
00:00:22this practically has to do with the two powers that matter to us Argentines as well, to know how we move in the international
00:00:26change it, but what happened to the data from arena. Well, Lula, his
00:00:30president, has made the utmost effort
00:00:33to have the best possible relationship with the United
00:00:37States and with China, striving at all times
00:00:41not to take sides in that hegemonic
00:00:44dispute. President
00:00:46Lula that was practically on one side of eh has not found an echo
00:00:49in particular in the United States because the United States
00:00:53has taken a completely partisan
00:00:56definition regarding Brazil and therefore
00:01:00has transformed all Brazilians through the imposition of
00:01:04trade tariffs into victims of
00:01:08a dispute that in reality aims to strengthen
00:01:11Bolsonarism in Brazilian
00:01:15politics, and fundamentally Lula
00:01:19has acted as an important counterweight to the
00:01:22Gondro doctrine, this idea that
00:01:25Donald Trump has, which fits
00:01:28well, precisely, that the sovereign of the Western
00:01:32Hemisphere is the United States and that all the rest of us have limited
00:01:36sovereignty. Lula, on the contrary, has always tried to reassert
00:01:39Brazilian sovereignty. You just mentioned Trump, and I wanted
00:01:43to ask you what international interpretation you make when Trump
00:01:46textually says, I will follow the vote very
00:01:49closely. Well, there's not much to
00:01:53read in the words, but one has to follow
00:01:57Trump's actions. At the request
00:02:00of Eduardo Bolsonaro, the
00:02:04son of Jair Bolsonaro who is a fugitive from Brazilian justice,
00:02:08sheltered in the United States, Trump imposed
00:02:11so this machine tariffs on Brazil, openly stating
00:02:14that he imposed tariffs on all Brazilian exporters
00:02:17because the Brazilian judiciary had imprisoned Jair
00:02:21Bolsonaro. This is the brutal level of
00:02:24interference that
00:02:27Trump has
00:02:29to ask Roberto about what we in Brazilian politics from the beginning of his term, and of
00:02:33course, in the context of the electoral
00:02:36and when they restart campaign, his interference has been even greater. Now, Gabriel, at an international
00:02:40level, speaking of everything that has to do with, for example, Trump, who
00:02:44has more weight at an international level today, Lula or
00:02:47Milei? No, well, that's a question
00:02:51that answers itself by looking at the size of the two countries
00:02:55we are comparing. Brazil is an economy that
00:02:58oscillates between being the eighth and tenth
00:03:01economy in the world. The Argentine economy is the
00:03:0422nd economy in the world. It is a
00:03:07country of 47 million versus a country of more than
00:03:10200 million inhabitants. Any president of
00:03:14Brazil is, by definition, a more
00:03:17gravitating leader in international politics
00:03:21than an Argentine president, and an Argentine
00:03:25president who has also chosen
00:03:26official statistics so far international isolation
00:03:33the people have voted. mainly, by rejecting, for example, the invitation to join the BRICS, is a president who, in
00:03:35addition to
00:03:37totally different from what presiding over a country smaller than Brazil, voluntarily decides
00:03:41to project less
00:03:44notify, the federal police agent international power. Brazil, in that sense, well, as
00:03:48we said, is enormously larger, but Lula is
00:03:52also a gravitating figure who has been
00:03:55a determining figure in Brazilian politics for almost
00:03:5940 years. He has been among international leaders, Gab.
00:04:02Now, what can be highlighted from this last Lula administration, which was never
00:04:06ultra, as we could perhaps describe Milei, is that he has had
00:04:10the astuteness to, I don't know if the word is to veer, but I mean to move
00:04:13more towards the center, even in the construction of his allies, or
00:04:17not in this new
00:04:22wrong to get so involved in look, precisely the national registry mandate? Well, we must bear in mind that in Brazil the
00:04:25congress has a lot of power, that in
00:04:29Brazil there is less concentration of power in the
00:04:32presidency than in
00:04:35first with the police and so on, to prevent Argentina, and that Lula in all his mandates
00:04:37both hug, we will all was in the minority in congress, and that
00:04:40finally the political tone that his
00:04:44the candidates for governor, for administration has taken has been conditioned by the political
00:04:48specifically asked for it to be removed from color of Congress. Of Lula's three presidencies,
00:04:51this is the presidency in which he has had to deal with a more
00:04:54conservative congress. This has been reflected,
00:04:57of course, in the type of coalition he has
00:05:00had to form to set up his
00:05:03cabinet, and Lula's cabinet is a cabinet
00:05:07where, of course, the president's party, the Workers' Party, has an important
00:05:11presence, but where there are also centrist and center-right
00:05:25there we are with Kicky Ortiz, Bolsonaro or
00:05:28Lula, one of the two, Kique, all
00:05:30yours.
00:05:34Well, yesterday, guys, we were in one of the caravans, I told you, we
00:05:38joined one after another, we were first in a caravan
00:05:42that was Bolsonaro's, which at some point, leaving,
00:05:45we were in Florianópolis at that moment, leaving precisely
00:05:49the place, we found ourselves with a caravan of more or less
00:05:525 km. At one point, this caravan joined
00:05:55another from
00:05:59the avenue, Lula's, on the other side of the avenue, Bolsonaro's, who
00:06:02stayed until after midnight, but the truth is there was no
00:06:06kind of inconvenience, everything was
00:06:09fine, good treatment, really the candidates.
00:06:12Despite having drums for one, for the other, absolutely
00:06:16nothing happened, you have the images, this is what happened
00:06:20precisely yesterday in this Bolsonaro caravan,
00:06:23a lot of people on both sides, we noticed
00:06:27there in the area, in this area where we were, that there were a few more cars,
00:06:31a little more vehicles than what had to do
00:06:34with Jair's caravan, sorry, Bolsonaro's,
00:06:38but obviously it has to do
00:06:41with the entrepreneurs who, of course, have their vehicles,
00:06:45they put vehicles at their disposal to take all kinds of people to this
00:06:49caravan, not so much Lula's people who were
00:06:52with vans, who were with some trucks and carried more
00:06:55people in general, but you have the images there, I don't know if you can
00:06:59show them, it's to see precisely this contrast between the two
00:07:03caravans, between Lula's and Jair
00:07:06Bolsonaro's. Yes, we are seeing what Lula's closing
00:07:09campaign was like, and well, what you also
00:07:13said, the difference, 5 km of cars, we were
00:07:17also seeing another of the photos that have to do with the closing campaigns and five blocks of
00:07:21all the people walking, or walking rather, what had to do
00:07:24with Lula's closing, both also have to do with San Pablo, very
00:07:28close, Lula is very strong in San
00:07:31Pablo, and Bolsonaro is very strong in Rio de Janeiro,
00:07:34I mean, strong in the sense of the campaigns, Bolsonaro from Rio de
00:07:38Janeiro and Lula from San Pablo. I wanted
00:07:42are talking about regarding the economy, why Brazil does not attach importance to the
00:07:46dollar and Argentina does. Essentially, due to a
00:07:49cultural issue, because they have also had hyperinflation, they have had
00:07:53devaluations, they have had a lot of problems just like us,
00:07:56but they don't have the custom of going to the dollar. Let's remember that in Argentina, this
00:08:00custom began during the military dictatorship, for example, in terms of
00:08:03properties, where all the entire value chain
00:08:07of construction in a home is in pesos, the final value is in dollars. In
00:08:11July 1978, the first classified ad for a property appeared
00:08:15in dollars. From then on, a cultural advance began where we
00:08:19translate everything into dollars, despite our currency, just
00:08:22as our currency lost its value as a store of value, the same has happened
00:08:26to the real. However, since the 90s, they have had inflation, they have had
00:08:29different episodes. Today, they have a much more stable
00:08:33macroeconomy than us. For example, the country risk
00:08:36is 174 basis points. We are at
00:08:40646. For example, their annual inflation
00:08:43is 4.33%. We have an inflation
00:08:47of 30%. So many issues related to
00:08:51macroeconomics that we have not been able to
00:08:54reorganize. Now, if I tell you, because we were doing the
00:08:57international recount, Bolsonaro won in Hong
00:09:00Kong, no, Lula in China, Bolsonaro
00:09:04in Japan, Lula, Australia, New Zealand,
00:09:07South Korea and China, Lula won
00:09:10there, Lula, good, Fran. What does this say? But it says something, it tells you something, can
00:09:14we say something, yes, it's important, as Leticia just said,
00:09:18the Brazilian vote is very important, I don't remember exactly how many
00:09:21Brazilians there are in the world, but only in
00:09:24Argentina, yes, but only in Argentina I think there are around
00:09:2725, Brazilians, no,
00:09:31of people officially from 2025 says that there are
00:09:3569,538 Brazilians officially
00:09:39registered in the Argentine Republic, which does not mean that all of them will
00:09:42vote. I mean, I think there are around 25,000 eligible voters, I think,
00:09:46the last one pays the 3 million, as it was 3 million fine, it
00:09:49justifies 1 million equivalent, 1 million Argentine pesos
00:09:53that if it doesn't go to the second round either, if there is a second round, it would be 2 million
00:09:56Argentine pesos, and what I wanted to point out to the journalist who spoke about the
00:10:00currency, Carlos, what you asked him, the idiosyncrasy of the peoples
00:10:03is different, they understand that the real
00:10:06creates the cultural, historical identity, the
00:10:10national identity of Brazil, but it does not change. with respect to, beyond what
00:10:14Bolsonaro, Lula, right, left may be, it does not change
00:10:17their view on this, it does not change their own
00:10:20view, they have an unemployment rate that does not reach 5%,
00:10:24yes, but let's see, since we are covering this
00:10:27issue today, I am trying to make some demographic analysis of how this
00:10:33about the geographical issues of the different zones, poorer, less poor,
00:10:36we talked about the favela, you told me it's divided, we talked
00:10:40about women and we saw that Quique interviewed
00:10:43women there in San Pablo, we also saw that it was
00:10:46divided, he couldn't draw a dividing line between
00:10:49young people either, because it must also be
00:10:53divided in terms of the age range of under 30. Except in some places,
00:10:57Buenos Aires for example or Argentina, there is a majority
00:11:01of young people who, from what you interviewed, are mostly
00:11:04related to Lula or sympathize with Lula. We continue
00:11:07with voices, Quique, we are going to San Pablo, we are live and direct in a more
00:11:11important voting place in San Pablo, that's in Buenos
00:11:15Aires and that's how it is, Carlitos, and
00:11:18most of the songs that people were singing just now were for
00:11:22Lula and the margin between one and the other
00:11:26of the candidates for president was wide. How are you doing, guys, all good,
00:11:29all good, well, an important day for Brazil,
00:11:32yes, important, well, super polarized,
00:11:35divided, I mean Lula or Bolsonaro,
00:11:39Lula, why Lula, how old are you, I'm
00:11:4124, 24, yes, I think that
00:11:45identification of the kids with Lula, what idea
00:11:49of Lula do you like the most, yes, the ideals are more
00:11:52similar to mine from where.
00:11:55eh, so that's why, I chose for
00:11:58that, for that, yes, thank you, eh, ah, the vote is
00:12:02electronic the electronic, it's electronic,
00:12:05no, because I think it's delaying a little bit, I didn't know if it was with a ballot if it was
00:12:08electronic, yes, I think it's electronic, electronic, yes,
00:12:12thank you, yes, yes, well, come on, let's talk here with
00:12:15the people, yes, good morning, good morning, what an
00:12:19important day today, very important, very important, beyond what is speculated
00:12:23or by.
00:13:05from one country to another country, to the United States, as if the message would be or at least what one thinks, I mean, he who doesn't
00:13:09vote for Bolsonaro is not Brazil, no, Lula is Brazil, Bolsonaro
00:13:13is not Bolsonaro, he is the United States. Well, many, the majority
00:13:17of the people here, I mean, beyond the five lines, it's all divided,
00:13:21I mean, most people are for Lula. Yes, I think so.
00:13:25They are more left-wing, not right-wing. I hope
00:13:28so, for Lula to win, thank you very much,
00:13:31for that, this is Buenos Aires, you are in Buenos
00:13:35Aires, look, Quique is in an important polling place
00:13:39there in San Pablo. Quique, why, what do you see regarding this, the
00:13:43deep division between Lula and Bolsonaro,
00:13:45Quique?
00:13:50Well, speaking with people, I will tell you that
00:13:55Bolsonaro's supporters will tell you that there is a lack of jobs, that the economy
00:13:59is completely collapsing,
00:14:02Lula's supporters say, who will tell you that everything
00:14:06is fine and so on. What we noticed is that there is a significant
00:14:09difference in the Argentine economy. Here, people generally
00:14:13find work faster, they have other
00:14:16expectations of work and can
00:14:19choose the job they want, not that they are obliged to go
00:14:23to one or the other. Also, the issue of constructions that we
00:14:27see practically everywhere, imposing constructions, which
00:14:30also bring people from other places, for example from the Argentine Republic,
00:14:34to work in Brazil, meaning that there is also a lack of labor. This means
00:14:38that obviously
00:14:41it wouldn't be as bad as they are saying. I wanted to tell you something that happened a
00:14:45while ago because a while ago they asked us to turn off the cameras and
00:14:49cell phones because they took a ballot
00:14:52box from this place because it was having problems with its operation.
00:14:56They carried out a whole operation,
00:15:00us from taking these parts with the cameras, so that no one was filming, and
00:15:03they took one or two of the ballot boxes from this place that were malfunctioning,
00:15:07apparently it had crashed, it had no
00:15:11kind of control, so they decided
00:15:14to take it away. What Bolsonaro's people were telling us just now
00:15:17is what will happen with these ballot boxes, the people who voted
00:15:21up to now in those ballot boxes that they removed from here because
00:15:25they replaced them, but what will happen with the data from the previous ballot box?
00:15:29This is a problem that has been occurring throughout the day, since
00:15:32the beginning of the morning we have also seen that these machines
00:15:36have presented problems. Let's see if it will continue
00:15:40to happen, if at any moment they will also have to remove another one. In
00:15:43other schools, they have just told us that the same thing happened,
00:15:47that they had to remove ballot boxes or change them due to
00:15:50malfunctions, so this will surely generate debate
00:15:53after the elections regarding fraud. Bolsonaro's
00:15:57people are already saying that
00:16:00fraud. Let's hope that this does not escalate further, that it is really
00:16:03only these few ballot boxes, but we will keep you informed of what is
00:16:07happening minute by minute. Well, be careful with this because it has to do with the possibility
00:16:11that even Emma said it a while ago, be careful because
00:16:15Bolsonaro's camp is already working on a fraud complaint and what you
00:16:18were saying here has to do with this, they took two machines from that
00:16:22voting place, from that voting center, they took them
00:16:25and moved them, be careful with this point, give us just a second, Quique, we'll be
00:16:29back with you, San Pablo live and direct, Lula or Bolsonaro,
00:17:45Brazil elects president.
00:17:49All divided between Lula
00:17:52and Bolsonaro.
00:17:53Bolsonaro's camp
00:17:56is considering reporting fraud.
00:17:59We are live and direct,
00:18:03here we go. Nothing more. The candidate
00:18:08has
00:18:08to
00:18:16do with the fraud complaint. Bolsonaro's supporters are considering
00:18:19reporting fraud in part or in some regions
00:18:23regarding the vote. Quique just said in San
00:18:26Pablo that they took two machines from the place where you are voting.
00:18:30This has to do with the possibility of Flavio Bolsonaro reporting
00:18:34fraud. Be careful, because Lula wins in more
00:18:37countries abroad than in Brazil. However, the votes
00:18:41are more for Bolsonaro than for Lula at this
00:18:44moment. Lula wins in more countries, but Bolsonaro
00:18:48has more votes. This has to do with what happens abroad
00:18:51of Brazil. Quique, we continue with you in San Pablo,
00:18:55the future of Brazilians is decided,
00:18:56yours.
00:19:01Well, I just gave you the
00:19:04from the tables. So far,
00:19:07only 43% of
00:19:10We have just confirmed from the interior,
00:19:1443% at this time of the afternoon
00:19:16only came to vote in each of the schools, in
00:19:19each of these places of worship, evangelical centers
00:19:23here in the area. Really very low at this
00:19:26hour, no, that's why I was telling you that there will
00:19:30obviously be a lot of blank votes, yes, tell me, is this a
00:19:34ghost of what we are telling? Of fraud,
00:19:36because we see that there are obviously crossed discourses, especially
00:19:40Bolsonaro, who was already
00:19:43threatening that he would make complaints of
00:19:47potential fraud. It's a bit the policy that is
00:19:50managed, no, the public policy that they manage, or in reality,
00:19:54people believe that there could
00:19:55be
00:20:00fraud, no, people in general, those we talked to, except for
00:20:04extreme Bolsonarists, I'm going to tell you that we talked today.
00:20:07and the rest think it's fine, no, no problem, you saw that people
00:20:11came, voted, talked without inconvenience, no problem,
00:20:15those who are talking about fraud, since we
00:20:18arrived, each of
00:20:21national deputy and so on who spoke with us today morning
00:20:25early, before the start, even the elections told us,
00:20:28there will be fraud, it is prepared for fraud, they will
00:20:32commit fraud, we will go out into the streets,
00:20:36they are preparing caravans to go out tonight, to fight precisely on the issue,
00:20:39to ask about fraud here in Brazil, that's why
00:20:43I'm telling you, we have to be attentive to what will happen in several localities
00:20:46in Brazil today, let's see that there are no inconveniences here for example.
00:20:50They took two ballot boxes, this is what confirms us, what happened to the ballot boxes?
00:20:54They crashed, they couldn't enter the system, something
00:20:57happened to them, evidently, so they had to
00:21:01replace them, in this replacement it is not known what will
00:21:06those who voted in that same prepared ballot box because they have
00:21:09a satellite ballot box, if something happens to the previous
00:21:13one they can
00:21:16the previous one, this is what the people who are complaining
00:21:20about fraud in each of
00:21:23the places want to know, the same thing happened in schools, yes, it
00:21:27surprises me that the voting is quite evenly matched to talk
00:21:30about fraud prematurely, no, because this is for
00:21:33when is this used, when they have to go out and disown a possible
00:21:37defeat, we are not reporting such a marked defeat of one
00:21:40sector over another for them to already speak
00:21:44of fraud in this way, no, that's why I was telling you, even what happens
00:21:48abroad, the issue is that Lula wins the vote in more
00:21:51countries, but Flavio Bolsonaro has more votes,
00:21:55clearly, he wins in fewer countries, but with more votes, but well, we have to see what happens,
00:21:59it's very divided, yes, precisely what he also says is that history seems to repeat itself, if in October
00:22:022022 we read the newspapers of those elections, Bolsonaro also
00:22:06claimed fraud and the nullity of when there were electronic
00:22:09ballot boxes that said there could be some annulment and they didn't agree,
00:22:13and with the technical tie, the same thing happens, there was a technical tie of almost
00:22:172 million votes difference between Lula and Bolsonaro,
00:22:20Lula ended up winning, it seems that the same thing from 2022
00:22:24is repeated in the present, around 160 million Brazilians
00:22:28in Brazil are eligible to vote, 160 million, imagine how it is to
00:22:31count the vote, how the election will be, how the end of this
00:22:35election will be and what will happen with the vote by vote, Brazil
00:22:39is very divided, I just read that Flavio Bolsonaro said that he considers
00:22:42himself the winner in the first round,
00:22:44yes Quique,
00:22:48Yes, well, they are telling me how the system works, no, precisely here we were
00:22:52talking about the ballot boxes that crashed and these ballot boxes were taken away,
00:22:55supposedly when people vote, everything goes to the cloud,
00:22:58it's already in the system
00:23:01restarts on another new machine, but the
00:23:05data is kept directly in the same place,
00:23:08meaning that the previous data was not erased, this is what they are confirming
00:23:12here, precisely the responsible people for this
00:23:15system and who have to do with the ballot boxes here in Brazil, this is what they are
00:23:19confirming to our team, so it would remain immediately that people voted, it's already
00:23:23uploaded to the cloud,
00:23:26each of the ballot boxes, it already has the corresponding
00:23:30data, this is what they were telling us
00:23:32precisely here, the people in charge of the system
00:23:36and who supervise, because there are international observers,
00:23:39I also read, there is part of the current
00:23:43government of Lula, who are the
00:23:47supervisors? Well, here we spoke
00:23:52today with an official from the presidency who was at the
00:23:55presidential palace. auditing, precisely today early we spoke with
00:23:58him on Crónica, they have a team that audits each
00:24:02one of the machines and they have a team of professionals that is auditing the
00:24:05machines, I want to show you more or less how it is divided, let's see so that you
00:24:09understand, there is the table president, there are the secretaries and so on.
00:24:13inside, every now and then someone will enter who is checking and
00:24:16controlling the system that has to do with one
00:24:20from each party that is controlling to see that it is
00:24:24functioning correctly, let's say each
00:24:27one of the machines, what happens when one of these machines, uh, stops working as
00:24:30today, they immediately
00:24:34from Brazil comes here, takes charge and
00:24:37moves these machines and brings the new one, the
00:24:41complementary one, they upload the system, it's like a cell phone when you change
00:24:44cell phones from one to another, your same number remains and the data is recorded,
00:24:48that is, practically the same thing happens with these machines, which is what they were explaining to us today,
00:24:52that is, the machines that were taken away that were not
00:24:54working, everything is already in the cloud, uploaded immediately after
00:24:58people voted, that is, the data is safeguarded, this is what
00:25:02they tell us, every now and then a person will
00:25:06come in to audit and ensure that everything is
00:25:09functioning correctly at each of the tables and in each
00:25:13of the places, around 150 people pass through and
00:25:17enter to audit the proper functioning of the machines.
00:25:26There's a video circulating, I shared it, a video of some military personnel talking about
00:25:30fraud in some ballot boxes, which is an old video from other elections, so the
00:25:34electoral ministry
00:25:38the pages of these well-known social networks, because it causes
00:25:42confusion, it doesn't just create a veil of doubt over
00:25:46an election that so far is being conducted as it should be.
00:25:50that the army, the military are the ones who guard the election
00:25:54and the military are related or a large part of
00:25:58a large part of the military sector is related to
00:26:01Bolsonarism. It must be remembered that Jair Bolsonaro comes from the
00:26:05armed forces, his vice-president, was also a
00:26:09member of the armed forces and practically his cabinet, Jair Bolsonaro's,
00:26:12was made up of many military personnel, it seems that
00:26:15the campaign continues, even on election day, no, these military personnel were
00:26:19talking about putting into doubt the electronic sealing, which is when the votes instead
00:26:23of being at zero appear as already a previous count,
00:26:26so well, it is a it is a in the military schools
00:26:30Flavio Bolsonaro has almost 90%.
00:26:33of the votes, Maduro says, Maduro says from a US prison that Lula will have to show
00:26:37the minutes, can you imagine if the election ends
00:26:48a lot of controversy was generated on our whatsapp line
00:26:51about the passage we were making from reais to pesos
00:26:54of the minimum wage in Brazil,
00:26:58they told us the average salary is 1,600 reais, that is,
00:27:01uh, $300,
00:27:0445,000 Argentine pesos, 50,000 Argentine pesos, claro, they clarified
00:27:08here, uh, that they are right, the thing is that we were also talking when Roberto said
00:27:12this is the minimum wage, of course that's not the average salary, but the
00:27:15minimum salary, that's the mistake, sure, you probably confused it, the average is
00:27:19$700, claro, that's the point, what is the
00:27:22average and what is the minimum, what we are talking about is the average, that's
00:27:26why we were talking about around $500, average salary, but I ask you, you
00:27:30who know Brazil very well
00:27:32and have family there and so on, with 450,000 Argentine pesos
00:27:36you don't live, you don't live and you don't buy anything, that is, with one and a
00:27:40half million a worker can live with one and a
00:27:44half million a worker survives, he doesn't live either, actually to
00:27:47live comfortably or to live well in Brazil you need
00:27:50around $1500
00:27:53reais to live more or less
00:27:56plus the rent, an average rent in São Paulo
00:27:59for example. around
00:28:03one thousand reais, that is a lot, you need 5, 1,
00:28:07are 500 reais, this is what you need
00:28:10approximately for, we are talking about one and a half million pesos, and the indebtedness occurs
00:28:14due to lack of purchasing power, it also occurs due to these
00:28:17bets, which was also one of the campaign
00:28:21announcements of the president, the two, the two points that made
00:28:25Lula grow in recent days regarding the election because
00:28:29Bolsonaro had taken a little advantage, the two decisions have to be, yes. Let's see,
00:28:32with eliminating online gambling, he eliminated it, he prohibited it, online gambling is prohibited
00:28:36in a way that it's done, that's it, he already
00:28:40signed it, from Monday, from tomorrow, yes, from tomorrow
00:28:44you can no longer bet online in
00:28:47Brazil, from tomorrow no more betting, this was one of the moves or
00:29:00is Brazil playing for today, Diego, thank you for being there, very generous of you as
00:29:03always. Yes, well, look, there's obviously a
00:29:07great political, ideological debate between
00:29:10the right and the left,
00:29:13Bolsonaro and Lula,
00:29:17a left that agreed with the center-right and
00:29:20formed a front, which is what Lula has, and a harder
00:29:24right, more like Trump, more like
00:29:27Milei, which is represented by
00:29:30Bolsonaro, now in Brazil.
00:29:33There is stability, there have already been changes from right to left and from left
00:29:36to right, we have already gone from Lula to
00:29:40Bolsonaro, from Bolsonaro to Lula, and therefore
00:29:43there is a permanent Brazil that
00:29:46does not change dramatically, there is no rift like in Argentina, it's not
00:29:50that Brazil will change completely, the day after the
00:29:53election everything remains pretty much the same, the
00:29:56country risk remains low, investments keep
00:29:59coming, the Real remains stable. The
00:30:03very abundant reserves continue
00:30:05to exist,
00:30:07foreign investments
00:30:10are pouring in, so it's less than what
00:30:14we sometimes dramatize.
00:30:17Well, now, excuse me, Diego,
00:30:20you said that Milei was
00:30:24the campaign, how will he recover if Lula
00:30:28becomes the winner?
00:30:32everything is made up, uh, if tomorrow we see
00:30:36Lula re-elected and they
00:30:39celebrate, that's the good thing about politics, about
00:30:42diplomacy, it's not that there are paths that cannot
00:30:45be traversed, traversed backwards and from
00:30:49there forwards, let's remember that Milei had said that the
00:30:52Pope was the representative of evil for example, or that
00:30:56he would never speak with China or with Brazil and