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00:07:42Official data, let's go with the official data to see what's happening, Pablito
00:07:46Gómez de Olivera also has a lot of information, I have, I have information from the
00:07:49Department of Justice in this case from Brazil, yes,
00:07:53with the, they have sectors, there are 490 thousand
00:07:56sectors, yes, eh, and as you can see, I
00:08:00just updated it, Bolsonaro is at 50.1%,
00:08:04this is, this, it's a refresh, if it does
00:08:11what's here, go ahead, go ahead. That's
00:08:50how it will affect Argentina exactly, so let's go into it again, let's repeat this data, Pablo, please
00:08:52especially
00:08:57first understand that there are
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00:09:01tables that will be counted to determine who will
00:09:05be president, well, at present, at this moment there are
00:09:0812,892 tables
00:09:15which places Flavio Bolsonaro in first
00:09:19position with 49, look
00:09:2249.5%, we are talking,
00:09:26sorry because it is not a minor detail, there are people who perhaps do not follow it so much, we are
00:09:30talking about Yair's son, he is Yair's son, although he looks very similar, it seems
00:09:34he had a facelift, he is a very young man, he comes from
00:09:37being a senator, he is currently a senator and is a
00:09:41future candidate. from Brazil and puts Lula in second
00:09:44place, the current president of Brazil with
00:09:4841.88%, these are, let's see,
00:09:52we reiterate, the first official data, this
00:09:55can obviously change, it can turn
00:09:58around, these are the first, Bolsonaro, sorry, I'm
00:10:01going, Bolsonaro 49, put the other one again,
00:10:05Bolsonaro 49, let's see guys, graph, there it is,
00:10:08Bolsonaro 49.55
00:10:12and Lula 41.88,
00:10:17the presidential elections in
00:10:20Brazil, where are we going, to Brazil, no,
00:10:23Dana, Pablo. Pablo, there it is, come on, let's go
00:10:26with Quique Ortiz in San
00:10:29Pablo, let's see, live, direct, come on,
00:10:33go ahead Quique, live and direct in San
00:10:35Pablo, good evening, yes, well, I tell
00:10:39you, I tell you that well, the official data, well, they are going
00:10:43by district, by department, the first
00:10:46data they will obtain are the departments obviously that have to
00:10:49do with Bolsonaro, Lula's will be
00:10:52uploaded surely in the next minutes. We were just talking
00:10:56precisely with a delegate who was telling
00:10:58us, so the first data that
00:11:02are those that are in places
00:11:05tending to Bolsonaro are the first ones to be uploaded, those of
00:11:09okay, now we're going to go back with the
00:11:12mobile clear, the difference is being
00:11:16achieved because Bolsonaro's data is uploaded first
00:11:19minute by minute. Just
00:11:23now
00:11:33when we talked to the girls from Brazil, she said they call it the second round,
00:11:36right? We're talking about the runoff election. What
00:11:40happens if the data, if the data is like that, what will happen?
00:11:43Well, first we have Lula, actually Flavio
00:11:47Bolsonaro is missing 0
00:11:50point 46% to directly not go to
00:11:53the runoff.
00:12:04I have 50.24% for Flavio Bolsonaro, it's changing as
00:12:07we said, today there is no second round with that
00:12:10number, oh, but guys, wait, wait because this is
00:12:14very recent, it's changing, it's changing
00:12:1822 tables already
00:12:21counted, 22 before. Remember now 22, Flavio
00:12:25Bolsonaro has 50.24%,
00:12:28with this Bolsonaro becomes
00:12:31president and there is no second round, how much does he have to have,
00:12:34how much does he have to have, uh
00:12:37Bolsonaro not to go to the second round
00:12:4050.01, 50, 50,
00:12:43whoever has 50.015,
00:12:46there's no runoff with that,
00:12:50okay, we'll go to Brazil in a little while with a. uh
00:12:53journalist and analyst, let me know when we have him, Dana, because the whole
00:12:57country is in a commotion, obviously, and this also
00:13:01directly affects Argentina, Diego Pregna
00:13:04is on Zoom live and direct from Brazil, we go with
00:13:07him, go ahead, thank you Diego, we listen to you
00:13:11very attentively, hello friends, good evening, we are here at your
00:13:16a little about these first results that we were
00:13:20analyzing, surely you from there, although today the
00:13:23data is shared universally, uh, with technology, with immediacy,
00:13:27what is the analysis you make a few minutes after the
00:13:30voting closed, it's uh uh, the beginning
00:13:34is always like this, no, now
00:13:37we have almost 6% uh of
00:13:41the zones and always the
00:13:45the right always comes out with an
00:13:48advantage, right? Uh after
00:13:51approximately 7
00:13:55to 8 more or less, the
00:13:59zones in the northeast in the north of the
00:14:03country begin to be
00:14:06seen there and at the moment, at the
00:14:09moment, of course, Flavio it's normal, uh
00:14:13the first but uh the
00:14:16tendency is that after an hour
00:14:19later, uh the first place takes
00:14:22over, Diego, you had a very
00:14:26bad time with Lula, that is, what is the mood
00:14:29of the Brazilians, do they want Bolsonaro to win, did
00:14:33they have a good time, what is the feeling in
00:14:36Brazil? Uh, the feeling is that
00:14:38uh, the people are more concerned with national
00:14:42sovereignty, that's the truth, that's it, uh, it's something
00:14:46that people who study, people who
00:14:50have more concrete information,
00:14:53uh, have always been
00:14:57concerned with sovereignty, of course, the most
00:15:00poor want to live better, they want
00:15:03to live, they want to live with food in their
00:15:06homes, they want a better
00:15:10life, uh, the middle class of Brazilian society, no, the
00:15:14middle class has gone a lot for
00:15:17conservatism, family, uh, everything
00:15:21that Flavio has said,
00:15:25speech for
00:15:29president, but it
00:15:31seems to me that the that the... Flavio
00:15:34has a certain shame
00:15:38because the feeling of
00:15:42anti-Lulaism, for
00:15:45people who don't like Lula, has been stronger,
00:15:49so they choose Flavio but
00:15:52with a certain shame regarding
00:15:55him, look at that, let's see, wait for
00:15:58us a few minutes, stay because
00:16:01you're still on air, but we're going to the mobile unit. side, yes,
00:16:04because our colleague Leo Carlini is there, Leo, the movement there with
00:16:08these first official data that we are registering from the
00:16:12official page, how do you see them there, what is the spirit of the
00:16:15people? The people are very expectant,
00:16:19Leo Fer, look already what
00:16:22the queues are like, they are
00:16:265 in the afternoon, those who could enter through this
00:16:29fence went to vote, others could
00:16:33not. But the majority are already here in the
00:16:37area, some leaving, girls, did you
00:16:40vote, did you vote, we are,
00:16:43hello, how are you, no, we haven't been able to vote yet because we want to vote
00:16:47for Cristina, we want her,
00:16:50well, different, different, different
00:16:53manifestation, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, let's see, is there anyone from Brazil here?
00:16:56We would have to see if they are legally here in Argentina,
00:17:00they are legally in Argentina, in this case you can tell us. from your
00:17:04perspective and that Brazil wins in the first round without
00:17:07a second round, that it wins, of course, but
00:17:11Brazil, but my love, these are elections in Brazil, why, why do you choose
00:17:15and why do you choose Lula, what is it that
00:17:18attracts you about his political position, about his proposal?
00:17:22First, compared to Bolsonaro, people ask a
00:17:25Bolsonarista about his government proposals, he doesn't have
00:17:28any, he was in government for more than 20 years, uh, as
00:17:32a state councilman and did absolutely
00:17:35nothing, no proposals and the only thing he has is privatizing beaches, the
00:17:39only proposal he has. Lula has already done a lot for the country, he is
00:17:43one of the iconic presidents of Latin America
00:17:49many, many reasons to vote for him today and
00:17:53always. Where in Brazil are you from? I am from Belém.
00:17:56Almost 15 years? Okay. Why
00:17:59did you come? Because it is a beautiful
00:18:02country, my family also lives here. and we stayed,
00:18:05okay, I love Argentina and I love Latin America, there you go, Leito, we'll be back with
00:18:09you in a little while, there you go, eh, let's see, Diego,
00:18:12Diego, wait, there's a lot of information, let's go back with Diego who is
00:18:16from San Pablo if I'm not mistaken, no Diego, Diego, you are in San Pablo, aren't you, if I'm not
00:18:20mistaken, no, no, I'm in Natal,
00:18:24Natal, Natal, no, yes, Natal, Diego, what happened,
00:18:27what's going on with Bolsonaro and these
00:18:31discriminatory acts that you have carried out.
00:18:34uh during his government, many people, the gay movement
00:18:38uh offended by the discriminatory acts that Bolsonaro
00:18:41has committed, that was maintained in the campaign of Flavio, Yair's
00:18:44son, also because
00:18:48Flavio has
00:18:51followed the same
00:18:54ideas as his father,
00:18:57no, the same line,
00:19:00that is, Bolsonaro, gay people out of Brazil, black people.
00:19:04to impose, for example, the evangelical
00:19:24religion, right, that it be something
00:19:28that Catholicism
00:19:31is not as strong as it is
00:19:35today, so for them it's something more
00:19:38about religion, it's something
00:19:40more about a situation that always favors
00:19:46the pyramid of society, so they always
00:19:50do that, they have a very beautiful country, may it be the best, we continue to inform,
00:19:53thank you for this contact, I know you will be in the continuity of today's
00:19:57entire day, thank you, Diego, a big hug,
00:20:01Pablo, let's update with the data, please, well, let's update, uh, here we have
00:20:0537 tables. Uh-huh, from
00:20:08which it is expected, I'll tell you the numbers, millions of people,
00:20:118,800,21
00:20:13people, of which
00:20:154,700, sorry,
00:20:184,472
00:20:20Bolsonaro has, this puts him in a position of
00:20:2450.70%,
00:20:27that is, let's recap until this hour with these
00:20:30first data that began to run from 5:40 approximately, which
00:20:34we have been throwing. Yes, the
00:20:3750.70%, if we go by this
00:20:41number, that's it, that's it, there's no second round, but
00:20:45clearly, guys, please.
00:20:47We are not in the first official
00:20:51data one, this is this is
00:20:54official data from the Ministry of Justice of Brazil, we have to put the page that
00:20:57they put here, let's see, yes, there's a lot missing, yes, because this is
00:21:017.59%,
00:21:0392% is still missing, but it puts
00:21:07Bolsonaro in first place
00:21:10who won, we are saying that at this hour it is what
00:21:14the boy who spoke said,
00:21:17a supposed winner to be given first and then
00:21:20as the counting continues,
00:21:24you clean up the graph so we can read and so that people
00:21:26can also, let's analyze and
00:21:29let's review at this hour how the elections are in Brazil,
00:21:33uh, my dear Leo,
00:21:36let's put it here, as Pablo said, the
00:21:39total almost 50,000
00:21:41tables, but look, it says 7.59, that
00:21:45is the number of voters who arrived today, at least they are
00:21:48counting or tallying that amount, 82
00:21:52is still missing, almost, okay, well, let's go, the important thing, valid, valid votes,
00:21:568 million below, where is it, Fer, 8 million votes below,
00:21:598,821, above, well,
00:22:02I have 50.70, that is, 50.70 Bolsonaro
00:22:06at this hour of the afternoon with 4,472,971
00:22:10votes and I have the
00:22:12uh, oh, you're showing me, let me know if you show
00:22:16me? 972 point difference, let's see, here we
00:22:28begin, the analysts, the political analysts, what they have to analyze
00:22:31or what they have to observe is the difference, what difference is there, it's
00:22:35almost 10 points difference, it's a lot, let's
00:22:38see, evidently it has to reach, 92%
00:22:42is still missing, which means it will be minute by
00:22:46minute, it has already started. A big difference, 10 points difference
00:22:50today, Bolsonaro, these are the first official data,
00:22:53we have a way to recap the history, Dana, of today, what is happening
00:22:57in Brazil with a breaking news red plate and we will
00:23:00go back with Roberto Nolasco who will be connected with us to
00:23:04make the first analysis after today's elections for
00:23:08the presidential elections of Brazil
00:23:11breaking
00:23:17news. Brazil
00:23:31chooses
00:23:33president,
00:23:39well, let's hope it's the best choice for our Brazilian brothers, Roberto
00:23:43Nolasco is connected, dear Roberto, we hear you,
00:23:46thanks for being there, what's your analysis in these first minutes.
00:23:50After the closing, right, of the
00:23:54voting, how are you, good afternoon, let's see,
00:23:58the analysis is and I was listening to you and it's always good to keep in mind, Brazil is
00:24:02the seventh most populated country in the world, we are talking about an immense flow of votes,
00:24:05so that more than 80% of the votes are missing, what it tells us is
00:24:08let's wait to draw conclusions, let's wait to see
00:24:12how it develops, how the votes from the northeast arrive, which is
00:24:15like, uh, you know when they say the votes from La Matanza are missing and can change the election, well
00:24:19of course. Let's see all those results
00:24:22because we are talking again about an immense democracy
00:24:26territorially and in population it has more inhabitants than
00:24:29Russia to give an example for people to understand
00:24:32the first uh the first
00:24:35results are in line with what the previous list said that I don't remember the
00:24:39name
00:24:39sorry
00:24:44ah okay okay Diego the votes from San
00:24:48Pablo always arrive first. It is where Flavio Bolsonaro votes, it is the
00:24:51stronghold of Bolsonarism, so uh, let's wait to see
00:24:55how it develops, what we do have to keep in mind is what they said, well, let's see
00:24:59the difference, let's see who finishes first, who finishes second and let's see how
00:25:03everything is for the runoff, if there is a
00:25:06second round uh the
00:25:10results of the first round tell you a lot about the strength and how
00:25:13each one is positioned, of course, we have to understand, Roberto, that
00:25:17well, we are giving the first data from the official
00:25:20page, but obviously only a minimum, a
00:25:23minimum there, Estelita, a minimum percentage, obviously this will
00:25:27take time,
00:25:31we simply say that according to the current results, Bolsonaro is literally
00:25:35winning, not because of the number of scrutinized
00:25:38tables, Estela, I want to ask
00:25:42Roberto if the number that Bolsonaro got in his
00:25:45place where he always is, is good, of course, if the
00:25:4810% that he has over Lula is good for
00:25:52Bolsonaro, it's very good, it's very good, that is, it's
00:25:55an important advantage, Rio de
00:25:58Janeiro and the southeast of Brazil, which is the part
00:26:02that is more conservative for us, more right-wing and
00:26:06votes more for these candidates, but let's see, the beginning for
00:26:09Bolsonaro is very good, you said it and very correctly, he is very close to
00:26:1350 points, he surpasses it, he drops it, he is around
00:26:20the afternoon will be long, the night will be long, it is a very large
00:26:23democracy, uh, and
00:26:27especially what happened in the last elections in the region, I don't know if you remember the election in
00:26:30Peru, someone ends up winning because the votes, the election in Chile was
00:26:34close, the one in Colombia was close, so we are in a
00:26:37cycle in the region of polarizing political dynamics, that
00:26:40go to two extremes and are always ending very close,
00:26:44so uh, Bolsonaro starts very
00:26:47well, the difference is very, very
00:26:50relevant for the quantity, what suits
00:26:53us as a country, also being astute
00:26:57as an inhabitant of this country, what suits us, what president suits
00:27:00us, because we know that...
00:27:03he clashes with Lula, that also hinders communication,
00:27:06a communication channel, the ambassador issue,
00:27:09exactly, well, there we also
00:27:12have to consider how the United States plays in all this, right, the United States is also
00:27:16tense with Lula, so a lot of help comes
00:27:20here, in case Flavio Bolsonaro, the aid could
00:27:23diversify between the two countries or concentrate a little more in Brazil, but
00:27:26also let's remember that the elections in November in the United States are coming. which also finishes organizing the whole scenario,
00:27:30right, today is a first step in this more general
00:27:34accommodation, now if a Flavio
00:27:37Bolsonaro wins, we will see a Mercosur promoting more free trade
00:27:40agreements, a more eh agenda in line with what Milei
00:27:43likes in Mercosur, the relationship with the United States will be another point to analyze
00:27:47to analyze for and let's not forget, we clearly forgot,
00:27:51we are very attentive to next year in Argentina, right, that Milei
00:27:54already uh anticipated it a few months ago, we discussed it here now because of what
00:27:58I. Beyond this, beyond
00:28:02this, more, more broadly, Roberto, you will understand where the debate is going now
00:28:05so that colleagues can give their opinion, uh, according to the mood
00:28:09of the president of one country and the
00:28:12other, we are all in the middle, that is, I would like, as
00:28:16an inhabitant of Argentina, that we should not be hostages of them, that is, not hostages, if Lula
00:28:19wins or
00:28:22if Bolsonaro from the United States wins,
00:28:25the United States, be careful, that is, at some point it depends on the vibe that our
00:28:29president with whom he wins not a little so clear clear. yes, terrible,
00:28:33shameful, that would be a bit simplistic, I think what
00:28:37people need to understand is that what is clashing here in Brazil and surely what will happen in
00:28:40Argentina next year is that two visions clash, not only of the country but of
00:28:44the world, Lula believes that uh we are going towards a
00:28:49the table uh of the big players so to speak because Brazil well, it's building
00:28:53nuclear reaction submarines, it's building supersonic fighter jets with national
00:28:57manufacturing, so he believes that we are going to a world where and Brazil's
00:29:00vision is to make the world unipolar. we will be able to play
00:29:04Bolsonaro, uh I'm not so clear what vision he has, I believe that the
00:29:08military establishments of Brazil will accompany Lula's vision
00:29:11so even if the president changes, it will be a bit more complex for that vision to change, but
00:29:15what vision does Milei have? Milei has the vision of going to a bipolar world with
00:29:19China and the United States as big players and one has to be closer or
00:29:22further from each one the vision of the world and the
00:29:26vision we are already there and we have to accept reality, no if
00:29:29we are already there because China practically. is a world
00:29:33power, it is undeniable beyond
00:29:36president as a communication channel, which is
00:29:39Chronicle reached 51%, there it is
00:29:425109
00:29:45sorry Fer, so I'll finish the other data 50, let's see put me
00:29:495109 Bolsonaro
00:29:514067
00:29:53uh Lula da Silva surpassed the 10 difference so far it's very recent that
00:29:57no one seg
00:29:59but wait, wait in voter. a million and a half
00:30:03voter difference, I'll give you now I want to say something, I want to say something now at the end and we
00:30:06thank Roberto for the communication, uh
00:30:10that Milei has a good relationship because if he
00:30:13gets, as it's commonly said, annoyed uh with the
00:30:16presidents, he called Lula a criminal
00:30:20and almost cut off communication, no Roberto made a political
00:30:23appreciation directly neutral, neither of one
00:30:27side nor the other and he put what what is the
00:30:29future of Argentina if one wins, if the other wins, it's a
00:30:32neutral international political appreciation because
00:30:36he doesn't lean towards one side, that's what I mean,
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