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00:00:00The problem there started with
00:00:04a woman having contact with my daughter. Wait, yes, Vero, how are you?
00:00:07Accomplice. Exactly, the woman
00:00:11is an accomplice of the husband in all this. Of course,
00:00:14she knows very well the maneuver he was pulling. Who knows if
00:00:17she was looking for and
00:00:19then
00:00:23I, I... yes, she's ill-mannered.
00:00:27At 7 in the morning, 7:30,
00:00:30I see my daughter washing clothes and
00:00:34she was washing his clothes only, and she tells me,
00:00:38"Mommy, she doesn't want to wash her husband's clothes."
00:00:42"So I'm doing a little job, don't get angry." And I didn't
00:00:46understand anything.
00:00:48And it was that the guy was already sweet-talking
00:00:51my daughter. How
00:00:54Angostura happened in terrible. Now I'm going to say one thing, but he also tried, excuse me, he also
00:00:56tried with the other daughters too. A
00:01:00serial abuser. Abuser, exactly. He's a
00:01:03potential abuser. First I'm going to say, yes, I know the
00:01:06lawyers will call me, but if we cover the guy's
00:01:10face, we'll never find him. Yes, then justice, I'm fed up with
00:01:14this, because this is how we are in the neighborhoods, uh, because of the
00:01:16lawyers, uh, who then say no, uh, there was no
00:01:19right, there was no right, I don't know what, it doesn't matter.
00:01:23Old man, we have to show this guy's face because if we don't, we'll never find him again. And then there's
00:01:27a very serious issue, let's not mess around. This girl
00:01:30is a minor, she's missing, she's a minor, uh, do you think she's
00:01:33kidnapped by this guy? This is not a joke, it's not like, oh,
00:01:37well, she ran away. Yes, it's like that. Well, then no covered face
00:01:40or anything. And justice, the police, all they do is cover for
00:01:44these criminals. What do they do besides nothing?
00:01:46Ma'am,
00:01:51La Marca, a town in Río Negro, but I don't know, nothing. I want him to be punished, I want my daughter back.
00:01:53She can't have been swallowed by the earth. What, what
00:01:57did this man do with my daughter? The earth doesn't swallow anything. You know that in the middle
00:02:00of all this situation,
00:02:03uh, Luciana, I mean, he took her. In reality, nothing is known
00:02:07about Luciana. The only thing is that she's with this 30-year-old man because there are photos or
00:02:10images of them together, but in reality, she is
00:02:14a minor. She's older. Wait, wait,
00:02:17a situation, clearly, they already had a relationship, they had a relationship, right? And
00:02:21the photo, of course, they started to maintain a bond. Ah, well, why don't you tell
00:02:25me? Yes, and a pregnant woman. Thank goodness, as if
00:02:29at some point. I don't understand anything. The strange thing about the situation also
00:02:32could be said is that when she finds her washing clothes and asks her
00:02:36what she was doing, that she was washing clothes precisely for this tenant, what
00:02:40Maria mentions to me is that
00:02:42his wife, that is, the wife of this man who is now with this
00:02:45minor, gives Luciana the contact to
00:02:49arrange with my husband about the clothes and the odd jobs. That's when he starts to
00:02:53harass her with messages, to start
00:02:57at her mother-in-law's house. She there. He took her from the house because she disappeared. How many days have they been
00:03:01looking for her? Last Saturday she disappeared.
00:03:0510 days ago, on the
00:03:0824th, but ma'am, how did they do it? She left and
00:03:11came back, she left and came back.
00:03:15Yes, it's all in the prosecutor's office, all
00:03:19of it. But wait, wait, yes, wait, wait, because there's something
00:03:22strange here. The girl has a thing in the middle here, but
00:03:25she has a relationship with the guy, right? And the photos, where did they come from, you were
00:03:29telling me? Are they published somewhere?
00:03:32The situation was the following: she was actually
00:03:35dating another boy her age, when this man starts living
00:03:39here, he starts harassing her with messages, this and that, he takes her
00:03:42one day, on
00:03:45October
00:03:47family discussions and it's 21st, he takes her, on September 21st, sorry, on September 21st he
00:03:50takes her, then he brings her back, so to speak,
00:03:53they recover them with the
00:03:56police. Yes, she was in Cañuela. In a square, oh, the guy
00:04:00had already taken her, both of them. Clearly, he
00:04:03had already taken her, and this second time, nothing is known directly. I mean, nothing is known.
00:04:07Today they even activated the Sofia alert, but the woman and the
00:04:11children are still living
00:04:13there. No, no, no, they left. No, so he
00:04:17is, he is, as he left with the girl, he left with the
00:04:21minor, and the family stayed here. The family then
00:04:24left. Moreover, nothing is known. His wife threatens the family,
00:04:27because precisely other cases are
00:04:30coming to light where this man apparently, through social media,
00:04:33many people complain from many neighbors that he would have
00:04:37harassed other minors in other places. I mean,
00:04:41this accumulates other cases that apparently Constancia, who
00:04:44is the wife, there must be evidence that that person is the
00:04:48wife. Well, but she came
00:04:51pregnant with supposedly his. Yes,
00:04:54only three children. What promiscuity all
00:04:57this is. We can't wrap our heads around these things that happen in the neighborhoods, that's why when
00:05:01I tell you, you see what happens in the neighborhoods, this happens and the only
00:05:04channel that goes is Crónica, of course, the others are in Palermo with the new ice cream shop,
00:05:08we are here with the people, with those who... real trouble and these
00:05:12absurdities because in reality the guy after harassing a lot
00:05:15of girls should be in jail and he's not in jail, on top of that we cover
00:05:19his face because then you lawyers come
00:05:22Veronica oh no, the legitimate defense was not protected. What a kick, you know
00:05:25where? To this... Well, well, I
00:05:29agree that it has to be shown, we have to show him.
00:05:33We found a message. Look, to 11 61 76
00:05:375692. Mica, we have messages enabled now on WhatsApp so that
00:05:40you can talk to us. Who do you think has seen Luciana? And we have a very important
00:05:44message that says: I saw her, Maria's daughter, the last
00:05:47time with... ah, it was her and the man. I saw them in Vista
00:05:51Alegre. What is Vista Alegre?
00:05:55Here, near my house.
00:05:58Well, then people are seeing him. On top of that, the guy's impunity,
00:06:01he takes his daughter as if nothing happened, uh, and everyone
00:06:05sees him. It's an outrage. This guy has to be
00:06:08in jail, uh, in jail and no joke. Exactly.
00:06:12Don't cover his face, don't
00:06:15cover it because he has a
00:06:189-year-old girl. You have the photo there. He's
00:06:228 or 8 years older than my
00:06:25daughter. Uh, how, 8
00:06:28years?
00:06:29Because she
00:06:32when he was sweet-talking her, she still had
00:06:3616, clearly, 16 years old. And what does the
00:06:40father do? "He's like her dad, he's my
00:06:45husband, but he's like her dad. Let me speak. He cares, as if he were her
00:06:48real dad." What's his name, sir? Luis. Let's talk to
00:06:52Luis.
00:06:53On this side, I grab my head.
00:06:57Luis, I see you there,
00:07:00resigned, worried. The truth is I'd be fuming,
00:07:03excuse me.
00:07:05What relationship do you have, I hear you, what
00:07:08relationship did you have with this guy? No, a hundred and something.
00:07:44180 something like that per month. What does he do? With internet,
00:07:48electricity, water, with everything. But
00:07:50listen, what does he do? At least what he said he
00:07:53did, he went to work.
00:07:56No, he went, he went to work. In fact, he was working
00:08:00in a well-known butcher shop
00:08:02very close by and yet he had been
00:08:06fired because he had stolen there in the
00:08:09same jobs. He deprives himself of nothing, a thief,
00:08:13an abuser, uh, surely an abuser, besides he's
00:08:17an alcoholic, drug addict, a lot of things they're telling us now. He got
00:08:20all the numbers wrong. You know when we say
00:08:24the photo, of course, because now in the comments, in the comments that
00:08:28we receive about the
00:08:31request for Luciana's whereabouts, there are many
00:08:34people commenting, telling us
00:08:38how cynical this man is. And how unscrupulous, because who would
00:08:45imagine? Imagine, you receive a family, a
00:08:48woman with two children and
00:08:52pregnant, who right now the baby must be two
00:08:55months old. I mean, one,
00:08:58one would least
00:09:01expect a 30-year-old man
00:09:05to act charming
00:09:07with a girl. How charming, that's why I say I would be like... yes, I would grab
00:09:11this boy, what's his name? Pereira, right? And his first
00:09:15name, José. José Pereira, look, crazy.
00:09:18Cover his face, show him yourself since we can't.
00:09:22Show him Show him, show him to the camera.
00:09:25We are, we are exposing, exposing
00:09:28all the
00:09:30We can't. You on Facebook are publishing everything. Show him to me,
00:09:34Luis, his photo, we are publishing. Well,
00:09:38that's it, but what I want is for my daughter to come home, I want my daughter
00:09:42to come home. But now, Luis, later, later
00:09:45he will have to take responsibility because the penal code covers it.
00:09:49In the code, articles 119 and
00:09:53120, have a penalty of three to 15
00:09:57years. Well, you can't tell me
00:10:00that the girl gave him consent to have
00:10:04sexual relations and go with him. She can't because she's very
00:10:07easily manipulated. Can I ask you a question?
00:10:11I want to know, with great respect, if your
00:10:16daughter, your beloved daughter, welcome to her
00:10:19sentiment, has any mental health situation, or
00:10:23something similar, in a good way, perhaps a developmental
00:10:27delay, she is not located in time and form according to her
00:10:30age.
00:10:32It's true, one generally finds it
00:10:36difficult to have to say, yes, she has a
00:10:39slight delay, but she has it. Ah, let's say she's very, very
00:10:43easily influenced. She's very easy to
00:10:47manipulate, to convince her, so to speak.
00:10:50Exactly.
00:10:52Anyway,
00:10:55anyway, that man has no forgiveness from God. We have to
00:10:58catch him. You know what? I'm going crazy. Luis, a lot of messages are coming in, right?
00:11:02Yes, to 11 61 76
00:11:0556 92. You can communicate if you believe you saw
00:11:09Luciana, where you last saw her, so the family can also
00:11:12track her down. Uh, the truth is that many people are indignant
00:11:16about, obviously, Luciana's age, being so young, and that everything is
00:11:19normalized in the neighborhood. Cover their faces, show them.
00:11:23a kidnapping that has
00:11:58illegitimate purposes. Not a kidnapping and
00:12:02uh, this case that we don't know, beyond the fact that she
00:12:05is a minor, that they have seen her, we don't know if it was against
00:12:08her will, beyond the fact that being a minor, it will be taken as if
00:12:12no consent was given, but these are different cases, so we have to
00:12:16see what kind of event we are dealing with. Clear, that's why I was precisely going to
00:12:20ask the gentleman, the father, to ask if
00:12:23at any time she expressed,
00:12:26expressed if she really wanted to go with him, if she
00:12:30liked him, any indication, any communication.
00:12:33It's clear, but if they see them freely walking around, it's
00:12:37strange. That's the issue.
00:12:40Detail, the father admitted she has a
00:12:43problem. Manipulable.
00:12:46And let's not forget that she was
00:12:50in a relationship, living with her boyfriend at her mother-in-law's
00:12:53house as well.
00:12:55Let's clarify something.
00:13:00She had a boyfriend her own age.
00:13:02Period.
00:13:04She worked. She came and saw
00:13:08him. We consented because he came to our
00:13:11house. I don't want you to mix things up.
00:13:14Excuse me. The mother said at
00:13:18the time that she lived with him
00:13:22said it. Yes.
00:13:27Look, it's fine, it's fine. I, I want
00:13:29to clarify a, I want to clarify some things.
00:13:33Let's see, a good family. She had a boyfriend her same
00:13:36age. She went to school, he accompanied her to school, he
00:13:40brought her back. Perfect with the kid. Now,
00:13:43this 30-year-old guy
00:13:47can easily manipulate a
00:13:50minor, obviously. Right.
00:13:54razón.
00:13:56Both Vero and Marcelo here are siding with
00:13:58We are not doing
00:14:01right, old man, with Luis, this guy is
00:14:04a snake, a charmer, and he also
00:14:08takes advantage of the fact that the girl has some difficulty. Let's not joke with
00:14:11that. It's not right. We are not clarifying, we are not, on the
00:14:15contrary, on the contrary, I hope that
00:14:18I hope that she is listening and that she appears and that she is well. I don't know
00:14:21who the girl who is giving her opinion is. Let's let's break this down.
00:14:37We trust a tenant with his family, with
00:14:41two children and a baby. You can't
00:14:43ever imagine that a guy, a mentally ill person like that, I agree,
00:14:47would fight with his wife, abandon his children to take
00:14:50a 16 going on 17-year-old girl.
00:14:54Well, you understand? Now, well,
00:14:58then what makes us most indignant is that for 10 days
00:15:02the mother has been reporting it to the police and they're making a
00:15:05joke of it, right? They're making a joke of it. They gave her a
00:15:09tip that they saw the girl in Constitución and the mother ran
00:15:13to Constitución to look for what?
00:15:16Nothing. Luis, I have bad news for you. Well, it was all
00:15:19day, she came back. Luis, I have terrible news for you that I tell everyone when
00:15:23we go to the neighborhoods, I repeat, the only channel that
00:15:25goes to the neighborhoods, justice doesn't care about people who don't have resources,
00:15:28uh, from middle class downwards or poor, screw them. This
00:15:32is clear in Argentina, justice is the worst thing we have. But
00:15:36listen, listen, I'm going with this, I'm going with this. If I
00:15:39go out looking, I'll blow this guy's brains out. Justice, yes, it matters
00:15:43to them if I smash the head of a son of a bitch like this. Right, you're right.
00:15:46So justice will remember me, of course. I agree with
00:15:50you, Luis. Well, let's do one thing, then let's put things in their place, no. I agree
00:15:54with you, that's why, forget it. Let's do one thing, the topic is out there and the
00:15:58photo is circulating. We'll be back in a moment, we have a lot of information. Stay
00:16:02there, Jessica, good job, come on. 6:45 PM, a
00:16:05screen. Well, here it comes.
00:16:09Today,
00:16:12camera director, a big weight for him. Last minute.
00:16:16The screen heats up, you make me angry.
00:16:19You make me angry.
00:16:23Horror in Villa La Angostura, let's see if
00:16:27it evens out here. He killed his 3-year-old daughter. That's what I'm
00:16:30telling you, things are tremendous, huh? The girl was murdered after
00:16:33a couple's argument. Many times they are the spoils
00:16:37caught in the middle. The accused allegedly tried to commit suicide
00:16:41after the crime. Many of you will say, what a shame.
00:16:45The damage.
00:16:48This is in Villa La Angostura. We're
00:16:50going there, to Patagonia, to the south of our country, there's Gonzalo,
00:16:54our colleague. How are you, Esteban? How are you? Good afternoon to you all. How
00:16:58are you? Well, this, to be honest, makes me super
00:17:01sad. It's an outrage. The case, perhaps
00:17:05the topic... madness, a madness of the afternoon in
00:17:08Argentina. Yes, the truth is that it is an
00:17:10atrocious case, obviously, it happened in Villano in Costura where we don't have many
00:17:14precedents of police cases of these characteristics, so
00:17:18the whole society is very shocked by what happened, despite the fact that the
00:17:21people, the murderer, his wife
00:17:24and the girl who died were from
00:17:28they were precisely vacationing here in Villa La
00:17:32Costura. Good. No, the first thing is true, Villa
00:17:35Lango. For those who don't know, it's an extraordinary, divine
00:17:39place, quiet, nothing happens but tourism, uh, in the lakes
00:17:42and good vibes. For this to happen, these
00:17:46people, Gonzalo, uh, are
00:17:49workers, they're like, do you know what they did? No, no,
00:17:53no, not much information has been released. There's a very strict
00:17:57summary secrecy. People from the forensic medical
00:18:00team of the judicial power of Neuquén have come,
00:18:03and obviously this imposes a very
00:18:07strong secrecy. What we know, what could be reconstructed
00:18:10and what sources with access to the case have obviously
00:18:14disclosed, is that this happened yesterday around 6:30 in the
00:18:18afternoon in a very central area. They were in a
00:18:22cabin, and the 3-year-old girl. The mother managed to
00:18:25escape, but then the man
00:18:29also injured himself in the neck, apparently in a
00:18:33suicide attempt, but he didn't succeed. He was taken to the local
00:18:36hospital, and from there he was transferred to Ramón Carrillo Hospital in San
00:18:39Martín de los Andes, which has much more complexity than that of Villa La Angostura. Well, we are with Diego
00:18:43Ángeles, a security specialist. How are you, Diego?
00:18:47Uh, what I'm saying is that in Argentina, people are killed much more with
00:18:50knives than with firearms. It depends on what.
00:18:53Wait, grab the microphone please. Go ahead. Uh, in statistical
00:18:57numbers, 30% of homicides are with knives.
00:19:00Ah, in reality, what has to do with
00:19:03quarrels, relationship issues, and everything because what is more... Clear. I mean,
00:19:0630% by physical aggressions and the rest by firearms. Oh, so,
00:19:09it's separated into three, let's say. Yes, basically it's separated into three, but the knife
00:19:13is, uh, it's an element. It's possibly used a lot for what is
00:19:17femicide. I mean, in the case of femicide, it's what has the most
00:19:20inference. It's at hand in
00:19:24complex, yes, yes, yes. I imagine and I say, and what happens a lot is this, right?
00:19:28That after committing this atrocious act, uh, many times killing
00:19:32the woman, in this case he killed, it's an outrage, his little daughter. They
00:19:36try to take their own lives. That's because how does it work? It happens in
00:19:39almost all cases, unfortunately the suicide rate is high, the
00:19:43aggressor, no, he commits the act and then he tries to
00:19:47self-harm or commit suicide as happened in this case, uh, it happens
00:19:50because it's a person who is disturbed, who has psychological problems
00:19:54at that moment and if one, I've been saying for a while that one should look at the
00:19:58indicators after 2020, we have a confinement and one has
00:20:01to quantify the damage we had and as a specialist what I see is how
00:20:05the incidents are increasing,
00:20:07how the violence is increasing, the type of incident, the typology and
00:20:11the quantity, so today we see it much more regularly with these
00:20:15issues, intra-family violence increased by 25%,
00:20:18statistics show after the pandemic, intra-family
00:20:21violence, clear, not only of the woman but also
00:20:25of the man, not only of the man but also of the woman, many
00:20:28of us have a data point, a very specific data point, last
00:20:31year there were 316 cases of women
00:20:34who... cohabited, cohabited among women who attacked the same woman,
00:20:38meaning they filed a complaint by a woman, it has to do with coexistence,
00:20:42it has to do with the bonds, mostly
00:20:45at home. Mostly. Yes, many
00:20:48with the pandemic they couldn't stand each other. We don't have messages, right? Because to
00:20:5211 61 76 56 92 you can
00:20:55communicate if you think you saw Luciana and tell us where you last
00:20:59saw her. So the family can also track her down. Uh, the truth is that
00:21:03many, many neighbors also, well, from
00:21:06Villa La Angostura, who are
00:21:09very shocked by the hermeticism that Gonzalo was
00:21:13commenting on, that there are no precedents in Villa La Angostura of this
00:21:17style, of this seriousness as well. No, no, tremendous.
00:21:20The woman escapes through a window, I mean, she escapes
00:21:23from certain death, she escapes. Yes, yes, yes, she
00:21:27escapes. There are still uh, conflicting versions
00:21:30regarding how the woman escapes. I was listening to you closely about
00:21:34this situation, right? Where a man murders a woman
00:21:38and then tries to commit suicide. And a
00:21:40fact, a precedent in Villa La
00:21:442021, in February 20-21
00:21:47with a girl. A Guadalupe who, uh,
00:21:51is murdered by her
00:21:54ex-partner in the central square of Villa La Angostura in the afternoon
00:21:57as well. It was really very, very distressing, the whole
00:22:01incident, and the subject who murdered her finally, uh,
00:22:04ended up committing suicide. I mean, he inflicted an injury on himself that led him to the
00:22:08hospital and then he ended up dying in the hospital. Very,
00:22:11very similar to what you were saying there on the floor,
00:22:15right? Uh, that's why these people, uh, you
00:22:17said, on top of that, because one imagines Villa La Angostura, this
00:22:21happens in a field, the gate, I don't know, you're going to say this
00:22:24is central, a very touristy place,
00:22:27besides. This, yes, for those who know Villa La Angostura,
00:22:30of the neuralgic center of the
00:22:33locality, this happened last night, it happened about
00:22:36250 meters along Route 7 Lakes, which is the one that
00:22:40goes towards the Seven Lakes Route, no? Yes, what
00:22:44a wonderful place, that this happens to you in Villa La Angostura, I mean, there are. Photos
00:22:48also, the covered face drives me crazy. The production, later, I know, the lawyers
00:22:52will call you, Vero. You see, there's a meeting
00:22:56because, but I'm telling you, this has to be shown, it has to be shown,
00:22:59because everything has consequences in life, eh, look at this guy here, it looks
00:23:03pretty good, luckily. He killed his 3-year-old daughter. What should we do with this
00:23:07guy? What should we do? I ask you at home, what should we do?
00:23:11Ariel, what do we do with this? 1 year.
00:23:14Short with 1 year, but in reality it's not
00:23:18easy to be detained and serve a
00:23:22life sentence. A lot, so this, I
00:23:25and even more so in these types of cases, in the prison population they are the worst
00:23:29admitted, exactly, so I, I
00:23:32prefer that they be detained. Uh-huh. That the sentence they live is much
00:23:36worse. But it's fine, but Vero, they give this
00:23:39guy 35 years? Yes, of course they give him. He'll be out at
00:23:4320 something.
00:23:45It doesn't apply under emotional violence, no. This
00:23:48this from 2017 is already in the penal execution law, nothing, he has no
00:23:52early releases or anything.
00:23:55Filicide, good. And if we put him away for two years, you know how in the movies
00:23:58there's that little room, one by one? You can't, human
00:24:02rights don't say, uh, no, I'm asking, I'm really asking,
00:24:06it's not ironic, because I also ask why they don't open the prison at the end of the world in
00:24:09Ushuaia. It was wonderful, they sent everyone there. Don't get mad at me, people from Ushuaia,
00:24:13eh. To break rocks or to make desks for the kids, because
00:24:17on top of that, they go to jail and they're doing nothing all day, we have to say it
00:24:20like that. And if they get a cell phone, they call you to do a virtual
00:24:24kidnapping. So everything is wrong in Argentina. It's fine, it's fine, but
00:24:27there are different types of crimes here, Marcela,
00:24:30this, and there is also a lot of punishment in this
00:24:34type, no? This this, like those who kill
00:24:38women, they kill them, they call them a c**t inside,
00:24:41they catch them with a cucumber, we have seen them, they are
00:24:44waiting to directly do
00:24:47everything to them. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Well, well, well,
00:24:50Gonzalo, this man is in principle hospitalized,
00:24:53detained, he is hospitalized, as I told you, in San Martín de
00:24:56los Andes, obviously he is under police custody,
00:25:00no? That's the situation he's in. You want to get a little angrier,
00:25:04there's a police guard
00:25:07guarding him, clear. Well, yes, yes, guarding him. It's fine, actually,
00:25:11so he doesn't kill himself,
00:25:13escape, eh.
00:25:16But is he serious? What do we know? He was in critical condition, if, when
00:25:21they transfer him from here, from Villa
00:25:24Transferred to another hospital, whether San Carlos de Bariloche or San Martín de Los
00:25:27Andes, it's because the local hospital doesn't have the complexity to handle
00:25:31these types of cases. That is, one understands that they are already in a serious, critical condition to be
00:25:35transferred. Well, we might be lucky, like
00:25:39many others, and they die. What a situation for the doctor who has to treat them and
00:25:42save their life, right? Well, a doctor is a doctor. A doctor is a doctor and they have to be
00:25:46treated regardless. What a situation for the doctor, just think about it.
00:25:50Well, he's a doctor. Good, Gonzalo, it's truly a
00:25:53pleasure, very, very, very precise with your information.
00:25:56We will surely call you again to delve deeper into
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00:27:48The future of
00:27:49Brazil is being defined.
00:27:53Official results. Attention,
00:27:57more than 47% of the polling stations have already been counted.
00:28:00Of course, there is electronic voting in Brazil. Bolsonaro
00:28:0450.20%,
00:28:06Lula 41.63%. In Brazil, 50 + 1 is needed
00:28:10at this moment, while production is asking
00:28:13if there will be a second round. At this moment,
00:28:17Bolsonaro wins the election in the first
00:28:19round. So we have to be very
00:28:23attentive. Although our colleagues Taquique Ortiz and
00:28:27Eleonora Gozman told us that, of course, they first load some
00:28:30data and the data from the most populous centers or states are missing,
00:28:33which means that everything indicates, based on what was
00:28:37being thought and studied, that the parity will be
00:28:40absolute. Eh, it is estimated
00:28:4345, 44, 46, 44
00:28:46for one or the other, depending on who conducted the
00:28:50survey. But at this moment, with the official
00:28:53data and almost half of the polling stations counted, many
00:28:57times they talk about an irreversible trend, right Ariel?
00:29:01I mean, with 47% of the votes, a 10-point
00:29:04difference, I don't know, one would tend to think that the trend could be
00:29:08irreversible. There is an evident trend that must be assumed to be
00:29:11marked. Obviously, we will have to wait for the rest of the
00:29:14percentage, which is not insignificant, but
00:29:17this, with what our colleague Eleonora said earlier at the
00:29:20beginning of today's program here on Crónica, we must
00:29:24admit that there may be a hypothesis that leads us in that
00:29:28direction. Obviously, this would be surprising,
00:29:31depending on the pincer effect that
00:29:34Flavio Bolsonaro evidently applied in the election campaign,
00:29:38which had to do with victimhood, sensitivity, appealing to the
00:29:41emotions of the
00:29:44electorate with the issue of his detained father, with the tears he
00:29:47shed, appearing like David against Goliath in that
00:29:50aspect. But parallel to the pincer effect, why? Because of the fact
00:29:54of denying Lula, making the Brazilian feel,
00:29:58the electorate of the sister country, that perhaps he has already had
00:30:01enough. Three presidencies, and he was going for the
00:30:05fourth, an 80-year-old man, what new thing does he have to
00:30:08show or demonstrate that Lula has not already had the opportunity to
00:30:12do? This is what was psychologically installed with a
00:30:15campaign strategy in between, evidently it has been
00:30:19bringing good results so far, at least for
00:30:22this right-wing political expression in Brazil. It already happened, right, in the
00:30:26previous one, remember they had stabbed Jair Bolsonaro,
00:30:29I don't remember if it was a month.