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00:01:47TOGETHER. NOW. >> HERE'S MICHAEL SMERCONISH.
00:01:50>> HI, GANG. SOME VERY REVEALING POLL RESULTS. THAT'S WHERE
00:01:54CORNYN.COM. ON THE SUBJECT OF THE NATIONAL DEBT, JUST OVER THE
00:01:57LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. CHECK THIS OUT. ON FRIDAY. ON FRIDAY, I
00:02:00ASKED YOU A QUESTION THAT I
00:02:04LIFTED ALMOST WORD FOR WORD FROM A PRESIDENTIAL COMMISSION. WOULD
00:02:08YOU ACCEPT BOTH HIGHER TAXES ON
00:02:12YOURSELF AND REDUCED SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE BENEFITS
00:02:15IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE $40
00:02:17TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT, NOT
00:02:21EXACTLY A RHETORICAL DEVICE. I PULLED IT FROM SIMPSON-BOWLES 16
00:02:24YEARS AGO. 2010 ALAN SIMPSON,
00:02:27ERSKINE BOWLES. THEY PUT A PLAN IN FRONT OF 18 COMMISSIONERS
00:02:31THAT ACTUALLY LOWERED TAX RATES
00:02:34ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THREE BRACKETS, WIPED OUT THE
00:02:38DEDUCTIONS THAT MANY OF US LOVE. THE MORTGAGE INTEREST DEDUCTION, THE CHARITABLE DEDUCTION, THE
00:02:42BRAKE ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, SO THAT ON NET, IT ACTUALLY
00:02:45RAISED REVENUE. IT RAISED THE RETIREMENT AGE, IT TRIMMED THE
00:02:49COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT. IT
00:02:50CAPPED SPENDING DEFENSE
00:02:53INCLUDED. EVERYTHING HURT A LITTLE. AND THE PAIN WAS SPREAD
00:02:57EVENLY. THEY NEEDED 14 OF 18 COMMISSION VOTES IN ORDER TO
00:03:01SEND IT TO THE UNITED STATES
00:03:02CONGRESS. THEY GOT ONLY 11, AND
00:03:05SIMPSON-BOWLES FAILED. SO I PUT
00:03:09THAT SAME BARGAIN TO ALL OF YOU,
00:03:1235,393 VOTED, AND 78% SAID, NO,
00:03:18NO, I WOULDN'T TAKE THAT DEAL. I WILL NOT ACCEPT BOTH HIGHER
00:03:22TAXES ON MYSELF AND REDUCED
00:03:24SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE
00:03:26BENEFITS IN ORDER TO ADDRESS A
00:03:28$40 TRILLION DEBT OKAY. NOW, ON
00:03:32SATURDAY, I DELIVER AN OPENING COMMENTARY ON CNN, TEN MINUTES
00:03:35LONG, GOT A LOT OF CLICKS. HOW
00:03:36DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE IT'S STILL POSTED ON THEIR HOME PAGE.
00:03:40AND THAT'S ALL DRIVEN BY
00:03:43ALGORITHMS. AND I ASKED SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT
00:03:46DIFFERENT, WHICH IS MORE TO BLAME FOR THE $40 TRILLION
00:03:48NATIONAL DEBT TAXING TOO LITTLE,
00:03:52OR SPENDING TOO MUCH. THIS TIME,
00:03:5855,349 VOTES WERE CAST, AND TWO
00:04:03THIRDS 66.41% SAID IT'S SPENDING
00:04:05TOO MUCH. SO ON FRIDAY, YOU TOLD
00:04:08ME YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT HIGHER TAXES, AND YOU'LL NOT ACCEPT SMALLER BENEFITS. AND
00:04:12THEN ON SATURDAY, YOU TOLD ME
00:04:14THAT THE PROBLEM IS WE SPEND TOO
00:04:16MUCH. OKAY, SO WHICH SPENDING?
00:04:18BECAUSE HERE'S THE ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THE FEDERAL BUDGET,
00:04:22SOCIAL SECURITY IS 22% OF IT.
00:04:26MEDICARE IS 15 OTHER HEALTH
00:04:29PROGRAMS, 13. INTEREST ON THE DEBT, ANOTHER 15. THAT'S ROUGHLY
00:04:33TWO THIRDS OF EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT SPENDS. AND IT'S
00:04:36PRECISELY THE TWO THIRDS THAT
00:04:38YOU HAD TOLD ME 24 HOURS
00:04:41EARLIER. YOU WOULD NOT TOUCH. SO
00:04:43TWO THIRDS OF YOU NAME THE
00:04:46CULPRIT, AND TWO THIRDS OF THE
00:04:47BUDGET IS THE CULPRIT KIND OF DEPRESSING, BECAUSE TO ME, IT'S
00:04:51ANOTHER REASON WHY PROBABLY NOTHING GETS DONE IN THIS
00:04:55REGARD. MORE OF YOU ARE WILLING TO POINT A FINGER THAN TO PICK
00:04:58UP A CHECK. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT TO SCOLD ANYBODY. I SAY IT
00:05:02BECAUSE IT MAY BE THE MOST HONEST MEASUREMENT OF THIS
00:05:06ENTIRE PROGRAM PROBLEM THAT I'VE EVER SEEN. AND I COLLECTED IT
00:05:10FROM OUR OWN AUDIENCE. YESTERDAY'S POLL RESULTED FROM
00:05:13RO KHANNA .COM A LOT LESS VOTING. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER
00:05:15IT'S JUST TO STOMACH TURNING TO
00:05:18FOLLOW THIS CASE, MUCH LESS
00:05:20RENDER AN OPINION ON IT. BUT I ASKED, WAS LINDSAY CLANCY TOO
00:05:24SICK TO BE GUILTY OF MURDER? WAS
00:05:28LINDSAY CLANCY TOO SICK TO BE GUILTY OF MURDER? 23,000 AND
00:05:31CHANGE VOTED IN. 54% OF US.
00:05:36BECAUSE I'M IN THAT CATEGORY. SAID YES. ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO
00:05:39THIS. HERE'S THE MONDAY POLL QUESTION. AND IT'S NO
00:05:43COINCIDENCE. WHY I'M ASKING,
00:05:46SHOULD CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN
00:05:48EVERY GOVERNMENT PROCEEDING, THE
00:05:51PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO ATTEND THE
00:05:54SMERCONISH SUNSHINE RULE IS THE
00:05:56POLL QUESTION OF THE DAY. I WAS MOTIVATED TO DO IT FOR TWO
00:06:00REASONS. LET ME TELL YOU. THE FIRST, THERE'S AN EDITORIAL THAT
00:06:03RAN IN THE WASHINGTON POST THAT
00:06:04I LINKED TO TODAY IN THIS RO
00:06:07KHANNA .COM DAILY NEWSLETTER
00:06:10HEADLINED THE SAD DECLINE OF THE GREAT AMERICAN TOWN HALL, AND
00:06:14THE GIST OF THE EDITORIAL IS TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE AUGUST
00:06:17RECESS. WE'RE. WE'RE IN THE AUGUST CONGRESSIONAL RECESS
00:06:20RIGHT NOW. THAT USED TO BE A TIME WHEN SCORES OF LAWMAKERS,
00:06:24AS THE WASHINGTON POST POINTS OUT, FREED OF THEIR DUTIES IN
00:06:27DC, WOULD TOUR THEIR DISTRICTS
00:06:29AND ENGAGE DIRECTLY WITH
00:06:32CONSTITUENTS. BUT THOSE DAYS ARE
00:06:34OVER. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY SAY DURING THIS YEAR'S RECESS, ONLY
00:06:3842 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS REMEMBER
00:06:40435 MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, ONLY 42
00:06:43MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, 35
00:06:45DEMOCRATS, SEVEN REPUBLICANS SCHEDULED AT LEAST ONE IN-PERSON
00:06:49TOWN HALL, ACCORDING TO LEDERER STORMS TRACKER. A DECADE AGO,
00:06:52THAT NUMBER WAS MORE THAN 170,
00:06:56SO MEMBERS ARE NOT HOLDING THE IN-PERSON TOWN HALLS THAT THEY
00:07:00USED TO. THE PANDEMIC.
00:07:03CORONAVIRUS STARTED THIS TREND BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T HAVE THEM
00:07:07NOW, DUE TO POLARIZATION. AND, FRANKLY, THE STATIC THAT A LOT
00:07:10OF MEMBERS HAVE TO PUT UP WITH WHEN THEY DO HOLD THESE TOWN HALLS, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO
00:07:13IT. THERE ARE ALSO CONCERNS OVER
00:07:16POLITICAL VIOLENCE, AND I'M NOT
00:07:18MINIMIZING THAT. THE POST SAYS THE DECLINE OF A CENTURIES OLD
00:07:22TRADITION IS A WARNING SIGN ABOUT THE VIGOR OF
00:07:25REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT. SOCIAL MEDIA REGULARLY SERVES VOTERS SHORT VIDEO CLIPS OF
00:07:29POLITICIANS, OFTEN OUT OF
00:07:32CONTEXT. BUT THAT'S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR DIRECT
00:07:36CONVERSATION. AND I AGREE, A
00:07:37WELL FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY
00:07:41DEPENDS ON ACCOUNTABILITY AND THAT SORT. I THINK, COMES FROM
00:07:44BEING ABLE TO QUESTION YOUR
00:07:49REPRESENTATIVES AND TO WATCH THEM WORK. AND IF THEY WON'T
00:07:51COME TO US ANYMORE, ALL THE MORE
00:07:53REASON THAT WE HAVE CAMERA
00:07:56ACCESS TO GET TO THEM. WHICH
00:08:00BRINGS ME TO TODAY'S POLL QUESTION. SHOULD CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT
00:08:02PROCEEDING, THE PUBLIC HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO ATTEND. THE
00:08:06QUESTION I'M ASKING IS NO COINCIDENCE. NO ACCIDENT,
00:08:10BECAUSE TODAY, TOMORROW,
00:08:12WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY ON C-SPAN,
00:08:15TWO, YOU CAN WATCH THIS PROGRAM
00:08:18LIVE. AS IN THIS MINUTE. DC CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT IT
00:08:22CAUSED A LITTLE CONSTERNATION MOMENTS AGO, BECAUSE I LITERALLY
00:08:26WENT TO MOM'S HOUSE LAST NIGHT. TRUTH, AND TURNED ON HER
00:08:30TELEVISION TO C-SPAN, AND I
00:08:33SAID, MOM, WHEN YOU GO TO BED
00:08:37TONIGHT, DON'T TURN OFF THE TV.
00:08:39YOU CAN REDUCE THE VOLUME.
00:08:41DON'T TURN OFF THE TV. >> JUST SO YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. >> JUST SO WHEN YOU WAKE.
00:08:46>> UP, RIGHT. >> IT WILL BE THERE. BECAUSE I
00:08:50WAS SO NERVOUS, RIGHT? I'M REALLY PLAYING FOR AN AUDIENCE OF ONE TODAY.
00:08:53>> GOOD MORNING. >> YES. AND SO MINUTES AGO, WE
00:08:56FOUND OUT. NO, IT'S NOT C-SPAN.
00:08:58IT'S C-SPAN 2. AND THE ONLY
00:09:01THOUGHT I HAD WAS MOM'S TV IS ALREADY SET.
00:09:05>> BUT WE GOT IT. NO PROBLEM. >> SO I CALLED MOM.
00:09:09>> FULLY CAPABLE. >> TK WAS MY WITNESS. YEP. I
00:09:11SAID, MOM, PULL OUT THAT REMOTE.
00:09:13GRAB YOUR READING GLASSES AND GO
00:09:18DOWN ONE CHANNEL. >> AND HERE WE ARE. AND IT
00:09:21WORKED. YAY! >> LISTEN, I LOVE C-SPAN. I,
00:09:24I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ON C-SPAN IN THE PAST, UH, WITH
00:09:27SOME OF MY BOOK LAUNCHES, SOME
00:09:30INTERVIEWS THAT I'VE DONE WHEN
00:09:33STEVE SCULLY, OUR COLLEAGUE, WAS
00:09:35A HOST ON C-SPAN. UH, I LOVE THE
00:09:39IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY,
00:09:40I LOVE THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE
00:09:43CALL LINES FOR REPUBLICANS AND
00:09:47DEMOCRATS AND INDEPENDENTS.
00:09:51IT'S LIKE LARRY KING, YOU KNOW, INDEPENDENT LINE. >> HELLO, HELLO. >> AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE. >> IS YOUR. >> IS YOUR BROTHER AN
00:09:55INDEPENDENT? >> BECAUSE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE MEDIA OUTLETS, THEY
00:09:59JUST DON'T, THEY DON'T RESPECT INDEPENDENTS. NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THERE ARE MORE
00:10:02INDEPENDENTS, ACCORDING TO GALLUP, THAN THERE ARE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS. SO, OF
00:10:06COURSE, C-SPAN OUGHT TO HAVE A LINE FOR THE 45% WHO SAY, I'M AN
00:10:10I. I'M NOT A D, AND I'M NOT AN
00:10:13R I ALSO GIVE CREDIT TO BRIAN
00:10:17LAMB, WHO LAUNCHED C-SPAN IN 1979 AND RAN IT FOR NEARLY HALF
00:10:20A CENTURY. HE'S GOT AN INTERESTING BACKSTORY. HE WAS A
00:10:23A NAVY OFFICER ASSIGNED TO THE PENTAGON'S PUBLIC AFFAIRS SHOP
00:10:27DURING THE WAR. HE WAS IN THE
00:10:30BUILDING, HE WAS QUOTED AS SAYING, RELATIVE TO VIETNAM AND
00:10:34THAT ERA, THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO SELL US ON THE VALUE OF BEING
00:10:37THERE, BUT THEY LIED US INTO IT AND LIED TO US DURING THE WAR.
00:10:40IT JUST SO HAPPENED I WAS IN THE
00:10:46PENTAGON AT THE TIME, HELPING THEM LIE. AND THEN HE SAID, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, THIS
00:10:48IS BRIAN LAMB WAS REDUCING THE
00:10:51POWER OF THE THREE NETWORKS SO THAT WE HAD MORE OPPORTUNITIES
00:10:55TO SEE MORE SIDES OF MORE ISSUES. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE
00:10:58FOUNDING, NOT A BUSINESS PLAN,
00:10:59NOT A NICHE PLAY, BUT A GUY WHO
00:11:03STOOD INSIDE THE MACHINERY OF OFFICIAL WASHINGTON AND
00:11:07RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO JUST SHOW PEOPLE WHAT WAS
00:11:10GOING ON IN THEIR GOVERNMENT. AND THIS IS FUNNY, THEY LAUNCH
00:11:14IN MARCH OF 1979 WITH JUST FOUR
00:11:18EMPLOYEES, AND THE VERY FIRST MEMBER WHO WAS PUT ON
00:11:22TELEVISION, THE VERY FIRST MEMBER OF CONGRESS, WAS A YOUNG
00:11:25CONGRESSMAN FROM TENNESSEE BY
00:11:29THE NAME OF AL GORE, WHO SAID, AT THAT TIME, TELEVISION WILL
00:11:32CHANGE THIS INSTITUTION. MR.
00:11:35SPEAKER, JUST AS IT HAS CHANGED
00:11:37THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. BUT THE GOOD WILL FAR OUTWEIGH THE BAD.
00:11:40AND AND I AGREE WITH HIM. I AGREE WITH HIM. I'LL TELL YOU
00:11:44SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT C-SPAN THAT I THINK IS, IS IMPORTANT AND REVELATORY. SOME PEOPLE THINK
00:11:48THAT IT'S PUBLIC TELEVISION. IT
00:11:52ISN'T. IT'S FUNDED BY THE
00:11:54CABLE INDUSTRY. OUT OF YOUR BILL
00:11:56AT SEVEN AND A QUARTER CENTS PER
00:12:00SUBSCRIBER PER MONTH, THAT'S $0.87 PER YEAR. IF MY DATA IS
00:12:02ACCURATE. AND FOR COMPARISON
00:12:04PURPOSES, THAT $0.87 STACKS UP
00:12:07AGAINST $2.50 PER SUBSCRIBER FOR
00:12:11FOX OR CNN, ABOUT $1.30 PER
00:12:15MONTH. SO THEY'RE VASTLY
00:12:18UNDERFUNDED FOR THE VERY IMPORTANT FUNCTION THAT I THINK
00:12:21THEY PROVIDE. WHEN YOU CUT THE CORD, YOU DIDN'T STOP PAYING FOR
00:12:24YOUR CABLE NEWS BECAUSE THOSE
00:12:28CHANNELS ARE ON EVERY STREAMING BUNDLE, BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD
00:12:30TO FIGHT FOR IT. SO, YEAH, SHOUT
00:12:35OUT PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT, FULL EMBRACE OF C-SPAN AND
00:12:38C-SPAN 2, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AND THERE
00:12:41HAVE BEEN ANY NUMBER OF MOMENTS OVER THE YEARS WHERE IT'S LIKE,
00:12:44THANK GOD THEY HAD THEIR CAMERAS
00:12:46THERE. IF YOU GO DOWN THE C-SPAN
00:12:50MEMORY LANE, AT LEAST MINE, IT
00:12:51WOULD BEGIN IN THE, UH, THE MID
00:12:5480s WITH THE WHOLE GINGRICH AND
00:12:59TIP O'NEILL KERFUFFLE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MID
00:13:0380s? NEWT GINGRICH, WHO WAS THEN A BACKBENCH REPUBLICAN
00:13:07CONGRESSMAN AND A HANDFUL OF HIS ALLIES, THEY DISCOVERED THAT THE
00:13:11CAMERAS IN THE HOUSE AREN'T RUN BY C-SPAN. THEY ARE RUN BY THE
00:13:13HOUSE UNDER THE SPEAKER'S CONTROL, AND THEY WERE LOCKED ON
00:13:17ONE THING. WHOEVER'S HOLDING THE
00:13:19MICROPHONE SO GINGRICH AND HIS GROUP, THEY STARTED USING
00:13:23SPECIAL ORDERS. THAT'S FLOOR TIME. AFTER THE DAY'S BUSINESS
00:13:26IS DONE AND EVERYBODY HAS GONE
00:13:29HOME, AND THEY WOULD DELIVER
00:13:31THESE BLISTERING SPEECHES WHEN NOBODY WAS THERE. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING THEY WERE
00:13:35SPEAKING TO AN EMPTY ROOM. AND THEN TIP O'NEILL HAD ENOUGH, AND
00:13:39ORDERS THE HOUSE CAMERAS TO PAN
00:13:42THE CHAMBER, AND AMERICA THEN
00:13:44WATCHED A MAN DENOUNCE HIS COLLEAGUES TO 400 EMPTY SEATS,
00:13:48AND THE GUY AT THE MICROPHONE
00:13:50HAPPENED TO BE BOB WALKER OF
00:13:53PENNSYLVANIA, WHO WAS A GINGRICH
00:13:54ALLY. AND THAT TOUCHED OFF A WHOLE KERFUFFLE BETWEEN THE TWO.
00:13:58THE PAPER BAG INCIDENT. >> INCIDENT. THAT WAS JIM
00:14:02NUSSLE, WHO WALKED TO THE WELL
00:14:03OF THE CONGRESS WITH A PAPER BAG OVER HIS HEAD, BECAUSE HE SAID
00:14:07THAT IT HAD GOTTEN EMBARRASSING TO BE A MEMBER OF CONGRESS. THEN HE TOOK IT OFF AND SAID IT WAS
00:14:10TIME TO BRING HONOR BACK TO THE INSTITUTION. ANOTHER ITEM THAT
00:14:14STANDS OUT IN MY MIND, BOB
00:14:17LIVINGSTON. IN THE CLINTON YEARS, WHEN HE SAYS THAT THEY'RE
00:14:20DEBATING THE IMPEACHMENT OF BILL CLINTON, THE MAN ABOUT TO BECOME
00:14:24SPEAKER, STANDS UP, TELLS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
00:14:26TO RESIGN. DEMOCRATS SAY YOU RESIGN. LIVINGSTON LIVE ON HIS
00:14:30FEET WITHOUT WARNING TO ANYBODY.
00:14:31SAYS, OKAY, I NEED TO SET AN EXAMPLE THAT PRESIDENT CLINTON
00:14:35WILL FOLLOW. I WILL NOT STAND
00:14:39FOR SPEAKER. THE CAMERAS GO DARK. THE. THE JOHN LEWIS
00:14:43EPISODE IN 2016, WE TALKED ABOUT
00:14:46EXTENSIVELY IN 2023. IN 2023, IN
00:14:50JANUARY, WHEN THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH ALL THOSE BALLOTS TO ELECT A SPEAKER. AND I, I SAID
00:14:53AT THE TIME, HOW REFRESHING IT
00:14:55IS THAT WE CAN SEE THE ENTIRE
00:14:58BREADTH OF THE CONGRESS DO YOU
00:15:02REMEMBER WHEN MIKE ROGERS OF ALABAMA LUNGED AT MATT GAETZ,
00:15:05AND WE GOT TO SEE IT? DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN ALEXANDRIA
00:15:08OCASIO-CORTEZ WAS IN CONVERSATION WITH PAUL GOSAR?
00:15:12NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THE HOUSE
00:15:13HAD CENSURED HIM OVER A VIDEO
00:15:16DEPICTING VIOLENCE AGAINST HER?
00:15:18LIKE, WE GOT TO SEE IT ALL. I
00:15:21ALWAYS WANT TO SEE MORE. THAT
00:15:24HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY MY RULE OF
00:15:28THUMB IS, WHEREVER, THEORETICALLY, YOU CAN WALK IN
00:15:32AND PULL UP A CHAIR AND WATCH
00:15:34THE NATION'S BUSINESS BEING CONDUCTED, THERE OUGHT TO BE A
00:15:37CAMERA, OR AT LEAST THE RIGHT
00:15:40FOR A CAMERA TO BE THERE. YOUR
00:15:44SCHOOL BOARD, WHEN THEY DECIDE WHAT YOUR KIDS READ, WRITE YOUR ZONING HEARING, WHERE THEY DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO GET
00:15:48BUILT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOUR CITY COUNCIL, YOUR COUNTY
00:15:51COMMISSION, YOUR COURTROOM, THE
00:15:56CONGRESS, FOR SURE. ONE THAT'S ALWAYS BOTHERED ME IS THE
00:15:59SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
00:16:03STATES. IT HAS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME. AND, YOU KNOW, ARLEN
00:16:05SPECTER, FOR WHOM I WORKED IN,
00:16:07REGARDED AS A MENTOR, WAS ALWAYS
00:16:09THE CHAMPION ON THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE WAS THE CHAIR OF THE
00:16:13SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. HE WOULD ASK SUPREME COURT NOMINEES
00:16:16HOW THEY FELT ABOUT CAMERAS IN THE COURTROOM, AND LIKE TO A PERSON, TO A MAN, TO A WOMAN.
00:16:20OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND THEN THEY GET ON THE BENCH AND
00:16:23EVERYBODY FORGETS WHAT THEY SAID
00:16:24IN THEIR IN THEIR TESTIMONY. IT
00:16:27USED TO BE WE, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT, THAT AUDIO FEED. NOW WE GET THE AUDIO FEED AND THE
00:16:31CABLE OUTLETS, THEY ALL SCRAMBLE
00:16:33TO TRY AND MATCH THE VOICE WITH,
00:16:35YOU KNOW, THE CHYRONS. IT'S RIDICULOUS. THERE'S SOME
00:16:39DOWNSIDES HERE. I'LL PLAY FAIR.
00:16:42I'LL PLAY FAIR. SARAH. SARAH
00:16:47ISGUR IS IS BRILLIANT. SARAH ISGUR IS A LEGAL ANALYST.
00:16:51SCOTUSBLOG DISPATCH, ABC NEWS.
00:16:52SHE WAS A GUEST ON THIS PROGRAM
00:16:55IN IN APRIL BECAUSE SHE
00:16:57PUBLISHED A BOOK CALLED LAST
00:17:00BRANCH STANDING. OKAY, THE SMERCONISH RULE IS WHEREVER YOU
00:17:03CAN PULL UP A CHAIR AND WATCH YOUR GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS NOT
00:17:07EVERYWHERE. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT YOU IN A JURY ROOM. OBVIOUSLY,
00:17:11BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE SLEEP OUT AND GO
00:17:15TO THE SUPREME COURT BECAUSE YOU'RE A FIRST IN LINE, THEN THERE OUGHT TO BE A CAMERA
00:17:18THERE. SO THAT'S MY, THAT'S MY
00:17:22THESIS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE, THE COUNTERWEIGHT IN THE
00:17:25FORM OF SARAH ISGUR ON THIS
00:17:28PROGRAM. A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.
00:17:29ROLL IT. OKAY. NOW, OUR AREA OF DISAGREEMENT, THE LATE, GREAT
00:17:32ARLEN SPECTER, WHO WAS A MENTOR TO ME AND FOR WHOM I WORKED,
00:17:37MADE IT HIS HABIT IN THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARINGS. AT
00:17:40SOME TIMES AS THE CHAIR, TO ALWAYS ASK THE PROSPECTIVE
00:17:43MEMBER OF THE SUPREME COURT HOW THEY FELT ABOUT CAMERAS. AND MY
00:17:47RECOLLECTION IS, AND I'M PRETTY SECURE IN THIS, THAT EVERYBODY
00:17:50WOULD PAY LIP SERVICE TO THE IDEA OF CAMERAS IN COURTROOMS
00:17:54AND IN THE SUPREME COURT AS WELL. AND THEN THEY'D GET ON THE BENCH. AND, OF COURSE, YOU'D
00:17:57NEVER HEAR FROM THEM AGAIN ON THAT ISSUE. YOU HAVE AN INTEREST. I'M FOR THEM. I'M,
00:18:01I'M, I'M, I'M OF THE OPINION, SARAH, THAT ANYWHERE I, AS A
00:18:05CITIZEN CAN GO AND WATCH MY
00:18:07GOVERNMENT FUNCTION. MAYBE IT'S MY LOCAL SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. MAYBE IT'S THE CONGRESS. I
00:18:11DON'T LIKE THAT ONE SHOT. THAT C-SPAN IS LIMITED TO. AND I FEEL
00:18:15THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE COURT. LIKE, I'VE GOT A RIGHT TO BE
00:18:17THERE. IF I GO SLEEP OUT THE NIGHT BEFORE, I COULD HAVE BEEN
00:18:20THERE FOR BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP. WHY CAN'T I WATCH?
00:18:23WHY DO I HAVE TO RELY ON THAT
00:18:25AUDIO? I MEAN, AT LEAST THANK GOD THE AUDIO IS IN REAL TIME
00:18:28NOW. BUT YOU, YOU'VE GOT A THEORY AS TO WHY IT WOULD BE A
00:18:30BAD THING FOR THE COURT IF THERE WERE CAMERAS. I READ IT IN THE
00:18:34BOOK. TELL EVERYBODY ELSE WHAT IT IS
00:18:38>> I HAVE THE UNPOPULAR OPINION HERE. I GET IT, BUT I THINK TOO
00:18:42MUCH TRANSPARENCY IS A BAD THING FOR MANY OF OUR GOVERNMENT
00:18:46ENTITIES. I THINK CAMERAS HAVE BEEN TERRIBLE FOR CONGRESS, BY
00:18:49THE WAY. YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE HEARINGS TO ACTUALLY GET TO
00:18:52THE BOTTOM OF ANYTHING. THEY HAVE HEARINGS TO MAKE VIRAL
00:18:55INSTAGRAM REELS. THEY DON'T HAVE DEBATES ON THE SENATE FLOOR.
00:18:57THEY TALK ON THE SENATE FLOOR SO THEY CAN GET THE VIDEO, AND NO ONE'S ACTUALLY THERE LISTENING
00:19:01TO THEM. AND WE HAVE CHANGED WHO WE PICK FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
00:19:05BASED ON THEIR ABILITY TO BE ON
00:19:09CAMERA. IT'S VERY HARD FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY COMPROMISE AND LOG
00:19:11ROLL, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPROMISE IN PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE POINTED OUT A BIG
00:19:15DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION SUCCEEDING IN THE
00:19:19FRENCH REVOLUTION FAILING, WAS THAT THEY WROTE THE CONSTITUTION
00:19:22IN SECRET. THEY SHUT THE WINDOWS
00:19:24IN INDEPENDENCE HALL AND JUST BOILED IN THAT ROOM, WHEREAS THE
00:19:28FRENCH REVOLUTION WAS ALL CONDUCTED IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE.
00:19:30AND THE BOOS AND CHEERS LED TO THE SORT OF MOB VIOLENCE, THE
00:19:34VERY THING THE FOUNDERS WERE AFRAID OF. SO WHEN IT COMES TO
00:19:37THE SUPREME COURT, I WANT NERDS IN THE SUPREME COURT. I DON'T
00:19:41WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD ON CAMERA, AND I DON'T WANT PRESIDENTS PICKING PEOPLE WHO
00:19:45ARE GOOD ON CAMERA, WHO LOOK GOOD ON CAMERA. I WANT THIS TO
00:19:48BE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE TRY NEW
00:19:52IDEAS, TALK ABOUT SERIOUS THINGS, AND AREN'T WORRIED
00:19:54ABOUT THE NIGHTLY NEWS OR THE
00:19:57INSTAGRAM SOUNDBITE. >> OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN REAL
00:20:01TIME. C-SPAN 2 IS SIMULCASTING MY PROGRAM THIS WEEK, AND I
00:20:05THOUGHT, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO AIR FOR OUR
00:20:09AUDIENCE. AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD
00:20:11ME ON THIS BEFORE, AND THEIR AUDIENCE AND TALK ABOUT CAMERAS.
00:20:15TALK ABOUT THE BENEFIT OF C-SPAN
00:20:17AND C-SPAN. TWO, AND TELEVISING
00:20:21THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS. NOW,
00:20:25SARAH ISGUR IS BRILLIANT, AND SHE MAKES A GREAT POINT. LIKE,
00:20:27YOU KNOW, DO THEY REALLY ADD
00:20:30VALUE WHEN THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE? I MAINTAIN THAT THEY DO. I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING
00:20:34ABOUT HER CONSTITUTIONAL
00:20:36CONVENTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S A COUNTEREXAMPLE TO MY RULE,
00:20:40BECAUSE IT'S COVERED BY MY
00:20:41RULE. NOBODY SHOULD WALK INTO INDEPENDENCE HALL OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WALK INTO
00:20:45INDEPENDENCE HALL. THEY POSTED A
00:20:49A CENTURY. MY RULE HAS NEVER
00:20:52BEEN CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. IT'S CAMERAS ANYWHERE. THE PUBLIC
00:20:55ALREADY HAS A RIGHT TO SIT. YOU CAN'T WALK INTO A JURY ROOM.
00:20:59I'M NOT LOOKING TO SEND A
00:21:00C-SPAN CAMERA OR KORTE TV CAMERA
00:21:03INTO THE JURY ROOM, BUT I LIKE
00:21:04IT IN THE COURTROOM. WHEN THAT
00:21:09CLANCY TRIAL RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T WALK INTO A SECURITY BRIEFING IN THE WHITE HOUSE. I'M NOT GOING TO SEND A CAMERA
00:21:13IN THERE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, A JUDGE'S CONFERENCE ROOM. NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING
00:21:17ABOUT, THOUGH. THE ROOMS THAT WERE NEVER OPEN, I'M NOT
00:21:20SEEKING OPEN. SHE SAID SHE LOVES
00:21:25LIVE AUDIO. I JUST DON'T WANT CAMERAS. THE SUPREME COURT HAS
00:21:29GIVEN US LIVE AUDIO SINCE 2020.
00:21:31SO SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN THE
00:21:34THEORY OF MARGINAL HARM. IF A
00:21:35JUSTICE CAN BE. IF A JUSTICE CAN
00:21:38BE HEARD LIVE BY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, AND THE INSTITUTION HAS
00:21:42NOT COLLAPSED, I DON'T THINK THE INSTITUTION IS GOING TO COLLAPSE. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE
00:21:45SEE YOUR FACE AT THE SAME TIME.
00:21:49SHE SAID THAT THE CAMERAS CHANGE WHO WE PICK. BUT SHE ALSO TOLD
00:21:52ME THAT SAMUEL ALITO IS THE
00:21:55NERD'S NERD, AND NOBODY THINKS HE GOT THE JOB FOR HIS
00:21:58TELEVISION PRESENCE. THE ONE
00:22:00PROCEEDING THAT SHE'D KEEP ON CAMERA IS THE CONFIRMATION
00:22:04HEARING, WHICH IS THE EXACT STAGE WHERE A TELEGENIC FILTER
00:22:08WOULD OPERATE. SO I DON'T THINK
00:22:12THAT THAT MITIGATES WHAT I'M SAYING. AND THEN THERE'S THIS.
00:22:15I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY OF INTEREST, BECAUSE I DID A DEEP
00:22:18DIVE OVER THE WEEKEND, WANTING
00:22:20TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE WHOLE
00:22:23TRANSPARENCY ISSUE, THE BIGGEST
00:22:25STUDY EVER DONE, 91 STATE
00:22:28LEGISLATIVE CHAMBERS. THIS WAS
00:22:311987 TO 2022, PUBLISHED IN THE AMERICAN POLITICAL SCIENCE
00:22:35REVIEW, AND I FOUND IT IN THE
00:22:38THE CAMBRIDGE UNIVERSITY PRESS, BECAUSE THEY PRINTED WHAT I'M
00:22:41ABOUT TO TELL YOU, FOUND NO
00:22:44SYSTEMIC EFFECT FROM ADDING GAVEL TO GAVEL CAMERAS, NOT ON
00:22:47POLARIZATION, NOT ON PRODUCTIVITY. THE AUTHORS CONCLUDED. THE CONCERNS, QUOTE,
00:22:51MAY BE OVERSTATED. SO LET ME
00:22:56JUST READ FROM THE THE ABSTRACT,
00:22:58AND THEN I'LL GET OFF IT. AS
00:23:01ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CITIZENS STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND THE INCREASINGLY POLARIZED POLITICAL
00:23:05LANDSCAPE IN THE UNITED STATES, SOME HAVE POINTED TO THE
00:23:08INTRODUCTION OF GAVEL TO GAVEL
00:23:12CAMERA COVERAGE IN LEGISLATIVE
00:23:13BODIES AS DRIVING THE DOWNWARD TRAJECTORY OF THESE
00:23:17INSTITUTIONS. ADVOCATES OF INCREASED TRANSPARENCY SUGGEST
00:23:20CAMERAS EMPOWER VOTERS PRODUCING
00:23:23MORE MODERATE BEHAVIOR AMONG
00:23:25LEGISLATORS, WHEREAS OPPONENTS SUGGEST CAMERAS ENCOURAGE
00:23:28PARTISANSHIP AND DYSFUNCTION. PREVIOUS RESEARCH OFFERS MIXED
00:23:32CONCLUSIONS, IN PART BECAUSE OF A FOCUS ON NATIONAL
00:23:35LEGISLATURES, WHERE THE
00:23:37INTRODUCTION OF CAMERAS OCCUR
00:23:40ONLY ONCE USING AN ORIGINAL DATA SET OF THE ADOPTION OF GAVEL TO
00:23:44GAVEL COVERAGE IN STATE
00:23:46LEGISLATIVE CHAMBERS, WE EXAMINE WHETHER CAMERAS ARE ASSOCIATED
00:23:49WITH A RANGE OF CHAMBER AND INDIVIDUAL LEVEL OUTCOMES. STAY
00:23:52AWAKE FOR THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS
00:23:54THE TAKEAWAY. THE FINDINGS
00:23:57SUGGEST THERE ARE NO SYSTEMIC
00:24:00IMPACTS FROM THE INTRODUCTION OF GAVEL TO GAVEL COVERAGE.
00:24:03NORMATIVE CONCERNS ABOUT CAMERAS IN LEGISLATURES MAY BE
00:24:06OVERSTATED AND IMPORTANT FINDING, GIVEN THEIR
00:24:09PROLIFERATION IN PUBLIC PROCEEDINGS SINCE THE COVID 19
00:24:13PANDEMIC, THE PANDEMIC OCCURS, MORE ACCESS IS GIVEN BECAUSE
00:24:16PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO THOSE
00:24:19MEETINGS AND THAT PEER REVIEWED
00:24:21RESEARCH SAYS IT HAD NO
00:24:24DEMONSTRABLE IMPACT ON
00:24:26PARTISANSHIP AND BAD BEHAVIOR.
00:24:29THAT'S THE TAKEAWAY. SO YOUR POLL QUESTION
00:24:32TODAY@SMERCONISH.COM, YOU KNOW HOW I'M VOTING. SHOULD CAMERAS
00:24:36BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENTAL PROCEEDING? THE PUBLIC HAS A
00:24:38RIGHT TO ATTEND. YOU DON'T HAVE
00:24:40A RIGHT TO A JURY ROOM, BUT YOU
00:24:43CAN WALK INTO THAT COURTROOM. SO
00:24:46WHY SHOULDN'T A CAMERA BE THERE
00:24:50IN YOUR STEAD? GO
00:24:52VOTE@SMOKENADO.COM. HERE IS OUR INDEPENDENT LINE. IT'S THE ONLY
00:24:56LINE WE GOT ( 855) 486-1776.
00:25:00CALL ME RIGHT NOW. LET'S TALK
00:25:03ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. 124.
00:25:08>> CONSIDER THESE APPROACHES TO
00:25:11TRANSPARENCY AND CAMERAS WHERE THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS IS BEING
00:25:14DONE ON JUNE 18th. AS IN THIS JUNE, THE SENATE JUDICIARY
00:25:17COMMITTEE ADVANCED TWO BILLS BY
00:25:19VOICE VOTE, MEANING WITHOUT A
00:25:22WORD OF RECORDED OPPOSITION, THE
00:25:25SUNSHINE IN THE COURTROOM ACT.
00:25:28THIS WAS FROM SENATORS GRASSLEY AND KLOBUCHAR, WHICH WOULD LET
00:25:32ANY FEDERAL JUDGE DECIDE FOR HIMSELF WHETHER TO ALLOW A
00:25:36CAMERA. BUT FOR ME, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH. I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE
00:25:39IT TO THE DISCRETION OF FEDERAL JUDGES. I WANT I WANT THE
00:25:42DEFAULT TO BE THAT THERE CAN BE A CAMERA EVERYWHERE. I'VE TOLD
00:25:46THIS STORY BEFORE, WHEN I WAS JUST STARTING MY LEGAL PRACTICE,
00:25:50THERE WAS A PILOT PROGRAM THAT WAS BEING CONDUCTED IN THE
00:25:53EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND I WAS JUST
00:25:57BEGINNING MY CAREER AS A TRIAL
00:26:00LAWYER, AND I HAD I WON'T, I WON'T GET INTO ALL THE FACTS OF
00:26:03IT TODAY, BUT I HAD A VERY UNUSUAL CASE, AND IT CAUGHT THE
00:26:06EYE OF COURT TV, BECAUSE THEY
00:26:10HAD RUNNERS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING
00:26:12AT FILINGS, LOOKING FOR INTERESTING CASES. AND I WALKED
00:26:16INTO A PRETRIAL CONFERENCE ONE
00:26:17DAY, AND THE HONORABLE BUDD
00:26:20DUBOIS, JAN E DUBOIS SAID, HEY, GUESS WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO
00:26:23TELEVISE THIS TRIAL ON COURT TV. I ALMOST HAD A HEART ATTACK. YOU
00:26:26KNOW, I'VE, I'VE NOT MET TOO MANY CAMERAS THAT I DON'T LIKE,
00:26:30BUT I WAS NERVOUS BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE MY FIRST TRIAL.
00:26:33IT WAS GOING TO BE ON TV ANYWAY. THAT WAS A PILOT PROGRAM. THE
00:26:37CASE SETTLED THE CASE PROBABLY SETTLED BECAUSE THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CAMERA IN THAT
00:26:41COURTROOM. THE CAMERAS IN
00:26:44COURTROOM ACT FROM DURBIN AND GRASSLEY, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE
00:26:47THE SUPREME COURT TO TELEVISE OPEN SESSIONS UNLESS A MAJORITY
00:26:51OF THE JUSTICES VOTED. THAT COVERAGE WOULD VIOLATE A
00:26:54PARTY'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS. IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE,
00:26:57GRASSLEY'S LINE DENIAL OF
00:26:59ACCESS SHOULDN'T BE THE DEFAULT.
00:27:03SO BOTH BILLS NOW SIT ON THE
00:27:05SENATE CALENDAR. AND THEN HERE'S ANOTHER APPROACH. IN
00:27:08UTAH, THE JUDGE IN THE CHARLIE
00:27:10KIRK MURDER CASE REFUSED TO BAN
00:27:13CAMERAS WRITING THAT COVERAGE
00:27:16PROVIDES A MEANS TO FACILITATE THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT OF ACCESS TO
00:27:19COURT PROCEEDINGS FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT PHYSICALLY OCCUPY THE
00:27:22LIMITED SPACE AVAILABLE IN A COURTROOM. HE GOT IT EXACTLY
00:27:26RIGHT. I, JACK, YOU'RE IN PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, ON
00:27:30TRANSPARENCY AND CAMERAS. WHAT
00:27:31DID YOU WANT TO SAY?
00:27:35>> WELL, I'VE BEEN ON LOCAL BOARDS AND COUNCILS, MICHAEL,
00:27:38AND WE HAD A CASE WHERE THE
00:27:41LOCAL TV HAD TO SHOW UP, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THAT NINE PANEL
00:27:44SCHOOL BOARD, THEY WERE
00:27:47TERRIFIED TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF THE CAMERAS FOR THE OBVIOUS
00:27:51REASONS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST REGULAR FOLK SCHOOL BOARD
00:27:55MEMBERS. THEY WERE AFRAID, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WOULD BE TAKEN
00:27:57OUT OF CONTEXT OR THAT THAT SAY
00:28:00SOMETHING WRONG. MAYBE OVER TIME, THEY'D GET MORE
00:28:03COMFORTABLE WITH IT. BUT WHAT
00:28:08HAPPENS IS BOARDS AND COUNCILS,
00:28:09LOCAL POLITICS, JUST EVERYBODY
00:28:12CLAMS UP, IT'S SIMPLY NOT AS
00:28:18EFFECTIVE AS SHINING A LIGHT, AS IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE.
00:28:20>> LISTEN, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES IN THE PAST THAT HAVE
00:28:23NOT GONE WELL FOR MY ARGUMENT ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, NOT JUST IN
00:28:27THE COURTROOM, BUT IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND IN TALK
00:28:31RADIO STUDIOS. UM, THE OJ TRIAL,
00:28:35I MEAN, THE OJ TRIAL WAS I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, TC CAN
00:28:39FACT CHECK ME ON THIS. IT WAS
00:28:41THE LONGEST CRIMINAL TRIAL IN
00:28:44THE HISTORY OF CALIFORNIA. WHEN
00:28:47THAT CASE TRIED. AND, OF COURSE, EVERYBODY LOOKED AT THAT AND SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, CAMERAS ARE
00:28:51A DISASTER. NO CAMERAS. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. IS IT STILL THE CASE?
00:28:55>> YES. NO, IT WAS. >> AT THE TIME, SURPASSING THE
00:28:58RECORD PREVIOUSLY SET BY THE CHARLES MANSON TRIAL. WOW. HOW
00:29:02ABOUT THAT? >> OKAY. >> UH, LET'S SEE, AND I WILL
00:29:05FIND OUT IF IT HAS BEEN SURPASSED SINCE THEN. BUT SPANNING ROUGHLY 8 TO 9 MONTHS
00:29:09OF COURT PROCEEDINGS FROM JANUARY 20th 4th TO OCTOBER 3rd, 1995.
00:29:12>> I DON'T BLAME CAMERAS FOR THAT. I BLAME, I BLAME JUDGE ITO
00:29:16FOR THAT. RIGHT. JUDGE JUDGE
00:29:17ITO, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY RAN THE
00:29:20DREAM TEAM, JOHNNIE COCHRAN AND COMPANY. THEY RAN ROUGHSHOD OVER
00:29:23HIM. IF ITO HAD PROVIDED
00:29:27GUARDRAILS, THEN THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN EXHIBIT A. BUT I GET
00:29:30YOUR POINT. ON A ON A LOCAL LEVEL, MAYBE IT'S INTIMIDATING
00:29:33FOR PEOPLE. PATRICK FLEMING ISLAND, FLORIDA. WHAT DID YOU
00:29:36MOST WANT TO SAY
00:29:37>> I WOULD HAVE AGREED WITH YOU PRIOR TO THE TRUMP
00:29:41ADMINISTRATION. AND I SEE PAM
00:29:43BONDI FOR A GREAT EXAMPLE, IS
00:29:45HER TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF CONGRESS WAS ALL FOR ONE MAN. IT
00:29:48WAS ALL ABOUT TV. NOTHING GOT
00:29:51DONE. UH, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE WAY WITH ALL OF HIS PEOPLE. THEY HAVE GUYS THAT
00:29:55CAN'T SAY, UH, WHAT, WHAT THE
00:29:56TRUTH, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING
00:29:59VIDEOED FOR TRUMP. UM, I ALSO
00:30:02HAVE A DAUGHTER WHO'S A JUDGE,
00:30:05AND TO LISTEN TO IT IS ONE THING, BUT TO SEE IT JUST
00:30:09INVOKES THE CRAZIES, AND THE CRAZIES ARE OUT THERE, WHETHER
00:30:13WE LIKE IT OR NOT. >> YOU SEE HOW THIS IS GOING? IT'S AGAINST.
00:30:15>> THE LAW. BUT THEY'RE THERE.
00:30:17>> I'M CURIOUS, I'M CURIOUS. I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THESE
00:30:21CALLERS ARE INDICATIVE OF THE, UH, THE VOGT. LET'S JUST SEE WHERE WE ARE.
00:30:25>> HAVEN'T HAD SUCH A LOPSIDED ONE IN A WHILE. >> OKAY. WELL, TO, TO HEAR THESE
00:30:28CALLERS TELL IT, PEOPLE ARE IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT I'M SAYING. >> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK? SHOULD
00:30:32CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT PROCEEDING, THE
00:30:34PUBLIC HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO
00:30:38ATTEND 17,629 VOTES SO FAR.
00:30:40HEAVY VOTING SO FAR RUNNING 92.
00:30:45>> 92. 92%. SAYING. >> DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? >> YEAH. >> YES. >> THEY AGREE WITH ME.
00:30:49>> CORRECT.
00:30:51>> OKAY. 92% OF MORE THAN 17,000 WHO HAVE VOTED ARE SEEING IT THE
00:30:54SAME WAY I DO, PATRICK, BUT NOT YOU.
00:30:58>> NO I LISTEN TO THE SUPREME
00:31:04COURT ON AUDIO. I LOVE AUDIO,
00:31:07BUT THE VIDEO STUFF IS, IS IT
00:31:10JUST CHANGES THE ANSWERS FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY'RE
00:31:13BEING VIDEOED THERE'S NO
00:31:16COMPROMISE. YOU CAN'T BE SEEN
00:31:18TALKING TO THE OTHER SIDE. YOU CAN. BUT IF YOU TALK TO THE
00:31:22OTHER SIDE IN THE BACK ROOM, FINE. AND I LOVE TO LISTEN TO
00:31:25IT. I LIKE TO LISTEN TO, TO SMART PEOPLE TALK, BUT WHEN THEY
00:31:28START, THESE SMART PEOPLE START
00:31:32MODIFYING THEIR ANSWERS BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING VIDEOED. IT
00:31:35DOESN'T HELP US. >> SEE, I THINK THAT FIRST CALLER. THANK YOU, SIR. I
00:31:39APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE. I THINK THAT FIRST CALLER, I
00:31:42DON'T IF THERE WERE RECORDINGS PROVIDED AT THAT LOCAL SCHOOL
00:31:45BOARD, IF THERE WERE RECORDINGS
00:31:47PROVIDED AT THAT LOCAL ZONING
00:31:50HEARING, I THINK THEY'D STILL
00:31:53FEEL MUDDLED. THEY'D STILL FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE AS
00:31:55OPEN AS IF THERE WAS JUST NO RECORD WHATSOEVER. I, I HEAR
00:31:59YOUR ARGUMENT. I FIND IT
00:32:02UNPERSUASIVE. WHERE ARE THE 92%
00:32:05OF THE 17,000 ON MY CALL BOARD? CALL ME. HOWEVER, YOU LOOK AT
00:32:08THIS ISSUE, SHOULD THERE BE
00:32:11TRANSPARENCY EVERYWHERE, WHEREVER YOU COULD WALK IN OFF
00:32:14THE STREET AND WATCH THE
00:32:16PEOPLE'S BUSINESS BEING DONE? SHOULD THERE BE A CAMERA? I'M AT
00:32:20EIGHT, FIVE, FIVE, FOUR, EIGHT,
00:32:22SIX, ONE S
00:32:27>> GANG, WE'RE APPROACHING 20,000 VOTES@SMERCONISH.COM. THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO
00:32:31CAST YOUR BALLOT. SHOULD CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT
00:32:35PROCEEDING, THE PUBLIC HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO ATTEND. PAUL, YOU'RE IN NEW YORK. QUICK
00:32:39COMMENT FROM YOU.
00:32:41>> I DISAGREE WITH THE LAST
00:32:43CALLER AND HIS NOTION THAT WHEN A PERSON IS TESTIFYING ON VIDEO
00:32:47OR AUDIO, THAT THE ANSWER IS
00:32:48CHANGING. IN MY OPINION, IT
00:32:51DOESN'T MATTER IF A PERSON IS
00:32:53TESTIFYING OR TAKING PART IN AN OPEN COURT OR ANYTHING LIKE
00:32:56THAT, THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE CONSISTENT NO MATTER WHAT.
00:32:59THERE'S NO REASON WHY IN 2026,
00:33:01WE'RE STILL RELYING ON AUDIO
00:33:04HEARINGS OVER IN THE SUPREME COURT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT SHOULD BE VIDEO.
00:33:07>> ABSOLUTELY. OF COURSE IT SHOULD BE. ROBERT, YOU'RE IN SOUTH CAROLINA. WHAT DID YOU
00:33:10MOST WANT TO SAY?
00:33:13>> I AGREE WITH YOUR PREMISES
00:33:16THAT CAMERAS SHOULD BE IN ANY,
00:33:22FORUM, BECAUSE WHY SHOULD ANYONE
00:33:25SIT IN LINE IN THE HEAT OR COLD
00:33:29OR ANY OTHER KIND OF WEATHER,
00:33:31WHEN THE CAMERA CAN GIVE US
00:33:36>> WHAT ABOUT THE. WHAT ABOUT THE DISABLED? WHAT ABOUT THE
00:33:39DISABLED? WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERLY? WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T, WHO CAN'T TRAVEL IN
00:33:43ORDER TO GET. NO, I'M. I'M MAKING I'M MAKING YOUR POINT.
00:33:46THIS IS ANITA. ANITA'S IN
00:33:47VIRGINIA. YOUR TURN. GO, ANITA.
00:33:51>> I BELIEVE THAT CAMERAS SHOULD BE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE THAT THE
00:33:54PUBLIC IS ALLOWED, SPECIFICALLY IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. I
00:33:57WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW THE BREAD IS MADE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE
00:34:01WHEN THEY SELL THEIR CONSCIENCE
00:34:03TO LOBBYISTS. I WANT TO HEAR THOSE ARGUMENTS ON THE FLOOR.
00:34:07WHICH CAMERA. >> SHOULD I, SHOULD I CHANGE MY
00:34:10HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE TO THE SOFTER, GENTLER. HOW THE BREAD IS MADE?
00:34:14>> IT'S SO FUNNY THAT YOU SAY THAT, BECAUSE I. AS SOON AS ANITA SAID THAT, I WAS LIKE,
00:34:17WAIT A MINUTE, I REALLY LIKE THAT. >> YEAH, ANITA.
00:34:20>> WE MIGHT CHANGE. >> MAYBE THAT'LL LINGER.
00:34:22>> YEAH. THANK YOU. ANITA
00:34:27>> WELCOME. >> BEEPING IN CONNECTICUT. I HOPE I DID RIGHT BY YOUR NAME. WHAT DID YOU MOST WANT TO SAY ON
00:34:30THIS ISSUE
00:34:44>> UP AND STAND AND SPEAK, SAY ANYTHING. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN
00:34:48SITTING DOWN AND MUMBLING AND CAMERAS MAKE THINGS WORSE. I
00:34:51DON'T KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO DO
00:34:54WITH A COURT RULING IN OHIO OR MONTANA, AND I LIVE IN
00:34:57CONNECTICUT. I DON'T GIVE
00:35:00>> ABOUT THE. HOW ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
00:35:03STATES? I WOULD THINK THAT YOU'D CARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. WE'LL COME BACK IN JUST A
00:35:07MOMENT AND SAY HELLO TO OUR
00:35:1012424.
00:35:14>> EARLIER, I WAS SPEAKING OF MY AFFINITY FOR C-SPAN, AND
00:35:17THERE'S A STORY THAT I WANTED TO WAIT FOR A FRIEND TO COME AND
00:35:21HELP TELL. IT'S DECEMBER 16th,
00:35:242024, AND TWO BROTHERS ARE ON
00:35:28WASHINGTON JOURNAL ON C-SPAN, HOSTED BY MY FRIEND AND
00:35:32COLLEAGUE, STEVE SCULLY. THEY ARE THE WOODHOUSE BROTHERS. GO
00:35:36AHEAD, STEVE, TAKE THE STAGE AND SET IT UP. >> MICHAEL, GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
00:35:40SO, BRAD AND DALLAS WOODHOUSE,
00:35:44THEY'RE ON THE SET ON THE
00:35:46WASHINGTON AFTER THANKSGIVING, BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AND THE FIRST
00:35:50CALLER ON THE SCREEN SAID, JOY FROM RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA.
00:35:53HER NAME WAS JOYCE. I KNOW YOU HAVE THE AUDIO. YOU CAN PLAY IT
00:35:57WHENEVER. >> ROLL IT. >> LET'S GO TO JOY. NO. GO TO
00:36:00JOY IN RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA. GOOD. HEY, SOMEBODY FROM DOWN
00:36:04SOUTH. >> WELL, YOU'RE RIGHT, I'M FROM DOWN SOUTH.
00:36:07>> OH, GOD. IT'S MOM.
00:36:08>> AND I'M YOUR MOTHER. AND I,
00:36:12I DISAGREE THAT ALL FAMILIES ARE LIKE OURS. I DON'T KNOW MANY
00:36:16FAMILIES THAT ARE FIGHTING AT THANKSGIVING.
00:36:20>> IS THIS. IS THIS REALLY >> MY MOM.
00:36:22>> YEAH. I WAS VERY GLAD THAT
00:36:24THIS THANKSGIVING WAS THE YEAR THAT YOU TWO WERE SUPPOSED TO GO
00:36:27TO YOUR IN-LAWS, AND I WAS. AND
00:36:30I'M HOPING YOU'LL HAVE SOME OF
00:36:32THIS CHRISTMAS.
00:36:36>> COME ON, STEVE, THAT IS THE GREATEST. I KNOW. IT WENT VIRAL,
00:36:39LIKE, 10 MILLION PLUS VIEWS, RIGHT?
00:36:43>> IT WAS A CLASSIC MOMENT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, MORE THAN 10 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE VIEWED THAT.
00:36:46IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WATCHED CLIPS IN THE C-SPAN VIDEO LIBRARY, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS
00:36:50FABULOUS FOR ALL OF US WHO USE IT AND WHO HAVE SEEN ITS GROWTH
00:36:53OVER THE YEARS. BUT WHAT MADE
00:36:55THAT SO TERRIFIC, MICHAEL, IS IT
00:36:58WAS TOTALLY ORGANIC. IT WAS NOT PLANNED IN ANY WAY. SHE JUST WAS
00:37:02WATCHING. LIKE, YOUR MOM IS WATCHING RIGHT NOW. SO IF WE GET A CALL FROM BUCKS COUNTY,
00:37:06PENNSYLVANIA, AND WE KNOW IT MAY BE YOUR MOM, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS THEIR MOM SAYING, YOU
00:37:10KNOW, JUST BASICALLY KNOCK IT
00:37:12OFF. AND AS YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN A VERY BIG FAMILY. SO WE'VE
00:37:15GOT DONALD TRUMP IN THE FAMILY, AND WE'VE GOT BERNIE SANDERS IN
00:37:18THE FAMILY. SO I COULD APPRECIATE HER CALL THE NEXT YEAR. BY THE WAY, WE TOOK HER TO
00:37:21THE WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENTS' DINNER. UH, SHE'S AN AMAZING
00:37:24LADY, STILL ALIVE. BRAD AND DALLAS ARE STILL IN CLOSE TOUCH WITH ME.
00:37:28>> SO I, I LOVE THE FORUM, AND
00:37:32I'M A BELIEVER IN THE IDEA OF THE TRANSPARENCY THAT, THAT FLOWS FROM C-SPAN. WE HAVE A
00:37:35POLL QUESTION TODAY ON IT. KIND OF INTERESTING, BECAUSE THE POLL QUESTION, WHICH IS DRAWING A
00:37:39HEAVY VOTE, IS OVERWHELMINGLY IN
00:37:42SUPPORT OF THE IDEA OF CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. CALLERS, NOT SO
00:37:46MUCH. SO A BIT OF A DIVIDE. YOUR THOUGHTS?
00:37:49>> I WANT TO KNOW WHO THE 8% ARE. BECAUSE, LOOK, I AGREE. I MEAN, TRANSPARENCY IS SO
00:37:53IMPORTANT. BUT I WILL GIVE YOU ONE LITTLE TIDBIT, BECAUSE EVERY
00:37:56YEAR THAT I WAS THERE, BRIAN LAMB. AND LATER, SUSAN SWAIN
00:37:59SENDING A LETTER TO CHIEF
00:38:01JUSTICE REHNQUIST AND LATER CHIEF JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS TO
00:38:05OPEN UP THE SUPREME COURT TO CAMERAS. AND YOU MADE A GOOD
00:38:07POINT. EARLIER, ARLEN SPECTER, ALWAYS ASKING THE QUESTION. AND
00:38:10THE NOMINEES. YES, WE'LL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISEMENT. OF COURSE, IT
00:38:13HAS NEVER HAPPENED, BUT WE NOW
00:38:16HAVE LIVE AUDIO RELEASE OF THE SUPREME COURT ORAL ARGUMENTS,
00:38:20WHICH IS A HUGE STEP COMPARED TO THE END OF THE WEEK RELEASE OF
00:38:23THE AUDIO. AND WE REALLY PUSHED
00:38:25DURING BUSH V GORE IN 2000 TO
00:38:28HAVE CAMERAS INSIDE THE COURT, REHNQUIST SAID. NO, MAKING SOME
00:38:31INROADS. IT'S THE LAST BASTION OF WHERE CAMERAS ARE NOT ALLOWED
00:38:35AT THE MOMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE IN
00:38:37THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT MY GUESS IS
00:38:40AT SOME POINT IT WILL HAPPEN. >> SO I AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS
00:38:43THAT SAM FEIST CONTINUES TO PUSH
00:38:45THE CURRENT SUPREME COURT FOR EXACTLY THAT ISSUE. HEY, HOW
00:38:49ABOUT THE EDUCATE THE REST OF US
00:38:52WHEN WE'RE WATCHING THAT SHOT
00:38:54IN THE CONGRESS? IT'S A ONE CAMERA SHOT AND IT'S LIMITED. AM
00:38:58I RIGHT IN HOW I DESCRIBE IT?
00:39:01>> YOU MEAN SPECIAL ORDERS OR. >> I MEAN, I MEAN THE, THE GAVEL
00:39:04TO GAVEL, THE BUSINESS OF THE CONGRESS.
00:39:07>> WHAT'S MORE THAN ONE CAMERA? I MEAN, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE CAMERAS THAT ARE RUN BY THE
00:39:11HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN BRIAN LAMB FIRST
00:39:13STARTED C-SPAN, OF COURSE, C-SPAN IS THE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY
00:39:17AGREED TO IT FIRST AND LATER, 1986, C-SPAN 2, BECAME THE
00:39:21SENATE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE ASKED FOR WITH TIP
00:39:24O'NEILL AT THE TIME IS TO ALLOW
00:39:27C-SPAN TO CONTROL THOSE CAMERAS. RIGHT. AND O'NEILL MADE THE POINT. YOU KNOW, A MEMBER OF
00:39:30CONGRESS MAY BE PICKING THEIR NOSE OR DOING SOMETHING. SO WE WANT TO CONTROL THE CAMERAS.
00:39:34THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I'M SURE SAM FEIST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE IN TERMS OF
00:39:38CAMERAS IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE. THAT'S GOING TO BE A
00:39:42MUCH MORE DIFFICULT BATTLE FOR FOR C-SPAN TO DEAL WITH, BECAUSE
00:39:45THAT'S THE LAST CONTROL THAT THEY HAVE, WHICH IS THOSE CAMERAS. DURING THE SPECIAL
00:39:49ORDERS. YOU MADE THE POINT. TIP
00:39:51O'NEILL, 1985. YOU KNOW, HE WAS TICKED OFF AT WHO WOULD SOON
00:39:55BECOME SPEAKER, NEWT GINGRICH, BECAUSE HE USED SPECIAL ORDERS
00:39:59AS HIS VERSION OF THE INTERNET. BACK IN THE MID 1980s TO GET
00:40:01THEIR MESSAGE OUT TO THOSE VOTERS. SO IT'S MORE THAN ONE
00:40:05CAMERA. BUT YES, CONTROLLED BY THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE GALLERIES.
00:40:09>> AND THE DIFFERENCE WE ALL GOT TO SEE IN JANUARY OF 2023, WITH
00:40:13KEVIN MCCARTHY'S 15 BALLOTS AND
00:40:15WHAT WENT ON WITH MATT GAETZ.
00:40:17AND, AND I THINK PEOPLE THEN SAW THE DIFFERENCE IN, OH, WE
00:40:20TYPICALLY DON'T GET TO SEE
00:40:23WHAT'S GOING ON AMONG THE MEMBERS. >> AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THE
00:40:26CONGRESS HAD NOT BEEN SWORN IN
00:40:28YET. AND SO IN ORDER TO COVER THE PROCEEDINGS, C-SPAN PUT THE
00:40:32CAMERAS IN THERE, AND IT MADE IT FAR MORE INTERESTING. AND YOU WENT THROUGH THE LITANY OF
00:40:36THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN, INCLUDING AOC AND MATT GAETZ AND
00:40:39THE REST, WHICH MADE IT INTRIGUING AND FASCINATING. AND,
00:40:42OF COURSE, BACK IN 2016, WE USED
00:40:44CELL PHONES TO, UH, TO, TO COVER
00:40:47WHAT WAS HAPPENING DURING THE,
00:40:49UH, THE JOHN LEWIS, UH, DEBATE. >> RIGHT. UM, FINALLY, MY
00:40:52FRIEND, WHEN WILL WE BE TOGETHER
00:40:57IN ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA? AND HOW,
00:40:58HOW, AND HOW CAN PEOPLE JOIN US?
00:41:01>> WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO BE IN ERIE, I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE
00:41:05NOVEMBER THE 12th. UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A THINK TANK
00:41:07IN MY HOMETOWN, THE JEFFERSON
00:41:09EDUCATIONAL SOCIETY. AND WE HAVE YOUR COLLEAGUE AND FRIEND, HUGH
00:41:12HEWITT, TEEING UP THE PROGRAM IN SEPTEMBER. WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO
00:41:16YOU MIGHT KNOW, MICHELLE OBAMA COMING IN OCTOBER LAST YEAR, I
00:41:19WAS ABLE TO BRING IN PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA, AND THEN WE BRING
00:41:22YOU IN NOVEMBER. AND, UH, SO
00:41:25I'M OKAY, BUT WE'RE. >> NOT WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO SELL ANY. WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO
00:41:28SELL. HUGH HEWITT AND MICHELLE OBAMA TICKETS. THEY'LL DO JUST
00:41:31FINE. LET'S SELL SOME
00:41:35SMERCONISH TICKETS. >> STEVE SCULLY J S ERIE.ORG. >> SAY IT AGAIN.
00:41:38>> S ERIE.ORG. JES ERIE.ORG.
00:41:41WELL, IT WILL SELL OUT, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. >> IT WAS, IT WAS FABULOUS THE
00:41:44LAST TIME I WAS THERE, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. STEVE SCULLY.
00:41:48I WANTED TO TAKE THAT WALK DOWN MEMORY LANE WITH YOU.
00:41:51>> THANK YOU MICHAEL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. BRENDA,
00:41:53YOU'RE IN ILLINOIS. QUICKLY, ON THE SUBJECT OF CAMERAS EVERYWHERE, WHAT DID YOU MOST
00:41:57WANT TO SAY
00:42:01>> YES, WE NEED CAMERAS IN EVERY
00:42:03PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY IN THAT WHITE HOUSE.
00:42:06AND CURRENT RESIDENT NEEDS
00:42:10>> OKAY. BUT WAIT, WAIT A MINUTE. NOW, YOU DON'T HAVE A
00:42:12RIGHT TO WALK INTO THE OVAL OFFICE. REMEMBER, I'M
00:42:16ADVOCATING THIS IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE AND A VERY INTERESTING
00:42:18ISSUE. OKAY. I'M SAYING A CAMERA, WHEREVER, AS THE
00:42:21CITIZEN, YOU CAN WALK IN, MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT
00:42:25CONVERSATION. I DON'T KNOW >> YES, IT'S OUR HOUSE.
00:42:28CORRECT. THAT CLOWNS IN THERE WRECKING THAT PLACE. >> THE ONLY.
00:42:32>> NO IDEA HOW HE'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT. >> THE ONLY THE ONLY CITIZEN I
00:42:36THAT I THAT I KNOW WHO GETS TO WALK IN ANYWHERE IS THE, UH, IS,
00:42:39IS NATALIE HARP. ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S,
00:42:43LET'S TAKE A LOOK. SHOULD
00:42:45CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT PROCEEDING, THE
00:42:48PUBLIC HAS A LEGAL RIGHT TO KNOW
00:42:50AT THIS MINUTE, 19,603 YOU GO TO
00:42:55SMERCONISH.COM TO CAST YOUR
00:42:57BALLOT. IT IS 92.09% WHO ARE
00:43:02VOTING YES. WHEN I COME BACK,
00:43:05SETH BODNAR FROM TO POTUS ON
00:43:08SIRIUS XM, CHANNEL 124. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT
00:43:12REGULAR LISTENERS OF THE PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM ON SIRIUS
00:43:15XM, POTUS, CHANNEL 124, WOULD
00:43:16REALLY GET A KICK OUT OF LOOKING
00:43:20AT C-SPAN 2 AND SEEING US. NO QUESTION. AND THE BACK OF THE
00:43:23HOUSE, I'M. I'M FOREVER TELLING
00:43:27PEOPLE THAT DAILY ON YOUTUBE. WE POST GOOD CONTENT, BUT THAT'S
00:43:30ONLY A PORTION OF THE PROGRAM.
00:43:32YOU CAN WATCH US IN TOTAL RIGHT
00:43:35NOW. AND HERE IN OUR STUDIO,
00:43:37WE'VE GOT OUR CABLE OUTLETS AND
00:43:39THE BBC, AND IN OUR LOBBY, WE
00:43:42HAVE C-SPAN TWO. >> YES WE DO.
00:43:46>> C-SPAN 2. >> SO I JUST SAW IT ZOOMING IN ON SO YOU COULD SEE THE WHOLE
00:43:49STUDIO. IT WAS SO COOL. >> WELL, WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR
00:43:52COMMERCIAL BREAKS. LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FEED TO C-SPAN 2
00:43:56FOR THEM TO SHOW. SO PJ AND THE BOYS DID A GREAT JOB IN CUTTING
00:44:00A LOT OF VIDEO OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE A VERY COOL
00:44:04STUDIO, AND WE'RE EAGER TO SHOW
00:44:06IT OFF. BUT THE TOTALITY OF THE EXPERIENCE IS FUN.
00:44:09>> IT'S WORTH CHECKING OUT, LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. >> AND MAY I SAY, FOR THE
00:44:13BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO ARE C-SPAN FANS AND NOT TYPICALLY HERE.
00:44:17>> WELL. >> WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN? >> NO.
00:44:19>> WELCOME BE. YOU'VE GOT TO VOGT@SMERCONISH.COM AND THE
00:44:22DAILY POLL QUESTION. AND WHILE
00:44:24YOU'RE THERE, PLEASE CONSIDER
00:44:27REGISTERING FOR THE FREE DAILY NEWSLETTER, BECAUSE YOU'RE A
00:44:31POLITICAL JUNKIE, OR YOU WOULDN'T BE WATCHING C-SPAN,
00:44:34AND YOU'LL LOVE IT BECAUSE WE
00:44:35ARE AS WELL. OKAY, THIS IS
00:44:39GLYNIS IN RICHMOND. ON THE
00:44:40QUESTION OF ONE PARTY IS
00:44:43DEFICIENT. THERE'S A STRONG, INDEPENDENT. WHAT SHOULD RESULT?
00:44:46YOUR ANSWER IS WHAT.?
00:44:49>> MY ANSWER
00:45:04DEMOCRATS NOT WORKING TOGETHER TO HELP THIS COUNTRY. AND
00:45:06INDEPENDENTS SEEM TO BE THE SEEM
00:45:11EXCITING TO ME BECAUSE THEY ARE.
00:45:24CONGENIALITY. >> GLYNIS. I WOULD, I WOULD, AND I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THIS TO YOU
00:45:27JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE AN I, I'M NOT. LOOK, I'M AN INDEPENDENT.
00:45:31I'M AN INDEPENDENT. SO THAT MY CARDS ARE ON THE TABLE. I, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT, THAT SOME OF
00:45:34YOU MIGHT NOT BE COMPLETELY FAMILIAR. NOT ONLY AM I AN
00:45:37INDEPENDENT. I'M THE LEAD PLAINTIFF RIGHT NOW IN
00:45:40LITIGATION THAT'S PENDING IN THE COMMONWEALTH COURT OF
00:45:43PENNSYLVANIA TO OPEN OUR CLOSED PRIMARIES, BECAUSE PENNSYLVANIA,
00:45:47NEW YORK AND FLORIDA ARE THE BIG
00:45:49THREE CLOSED PRIMARY STATES. SO
00:45:54I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO VOTE FOR INDEPENDENCE JUST BECAUSE
00:45:58THEY'RE THE INDEPENDENT. YOU
00:45:58KNOW WHAT THAT IS? THAT'S AS BAD
00:46:02AS PULLING A BIG PARTY LEVER JUST FOR THE REPUBLICANS OR THE
00:46:05DEMOCRATS. BUT I AM SAYING, IF YOU'VE GOT A CANDIDATE LIKE
00:46:08SETH BODNER OR TODD ACHILLES,
00:46:12I'M IMPRESSED WITH HIM AS WELL. AND THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF
00:46:14OTHERS WHO ARE RUNNING. AT LEAST
00:46:17GIVE THEM SOME CONSIDERATION. DON'T JUST SUIT UP IN YOUR
00:46:21USUAL PARTIZAN JERSEY. I FEEL YOU'RE IN FLORIDA. WHAT DID YOU
00:46:23MOST WANT TO SAY?
00:46:29>> TALK TO YOU. I'VE BEEN A FAN FOR YEARS. THANK YOU. THIS
00:46:32SUBJECT, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN WAITING. I'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE
00:46:35ROSS PEROT FOR SOMEBODY TO UNIFY
00:46:41THAT INDEPENDENT FACTION. I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAPPEN WAY
00:46:44BEFORE THIS. I'M REALLY HOPEFUL, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, GUYS LIKE YOU AND BILL MAHER
00:46:48GIVE ME HOPE AS AN INDEPENDENT
00:46:51THAT WE HAVEN'T LOST THE FIGHT, THAT WE CAN STILL PULL THIS OFF SOMEHOW. >> I LIKE BEING PUT IN THAT
00:46:55CATEGORY. I'M HAPPY THAT YOU WOULD MENTION ME IN THE SAME
00:46:59BREATH AS BILL IN THIS REGARD. I MEAN, HE PAID ME THE HIGHEST
00:47:01HONOR WHEN HE SAID TO ME, AFTER ONE OF MY APPEARANCES ON HIS
00:47:05PROGRAM, HE SAID TO ME, YOU HAVE
00:47:09NO TEAM. I HAVE NO TEAM, SAID BILL MAHER TO ME, I UNDERSTOOD
00:47:12EXACTLY WHAT THE POINT IS THAT HE WAS, THAT HE WAS MAKING. BOB,
00:47:16YOU'RE IN NEW JERSEY. I KNOW WHAT YOU TOLD ADJARA WHO
00:47:19SCREENED YOUR CALL, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANS. GO AHEAD
00:47:22AND TAKE THE FLOOR
00:47:25>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> UM, WELCOME.
00:47:27>> UH, LET I SAID THE
00:47:30CHALLENGER, BECAUSE THE FINAL
00:47:33SUMMATION OF WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE O RING. THEY KNEW BEFORE
00:47:37THEY FIRED THAT OFF AT A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE, THAT O RING
00:47:41WOULDN'T CLOSE. RIGHT. AND THEY
00:47:42DID IT ANYWAY, BECAUSE THE TV,
00:47:45THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE THE SAME
00:47:48WAY. THEY VILIFY EACH OTHER.
00:47:51MEANWHILE, IN THE MIDDLE,
00:47:53NOTHING GETS DONE. AND DEMOCRATS
00:47:55WON'T CHANGE PARTIES. WE GOT TO
00:47:59KEEP THEM GUESSING BY PICKING
00:48:02THE BEST PERSON WE THINK. FORGET ABOUT THE LABEL. PICK THE PERSON.
00:48:06>> I'M ALL FOR THAT. >> WE'LL DISRUPT THIS. >> I'M. I'M ALL FOR. I'M ALL
00:48:09FOR THAT. I AM ABSOLUTELY ALL FOR THAT. VIRGIL, YOU'RE IN
00:48:12DALLAS, TEXAS, THINKING, WHAT
00:48:16TODAY? >> I'VE ALWAYS ADMIRED YOU.
00:48:19THANK YOU. THAT YOUNG MAN A
00:48:22REAL, TRUE AMERICAN. YEP. HE
00:48:26SAID A MOUTHFUL YES, HE SAID A
00:48:29MOUTHFUL WHEN HE SAID WHEN THEY
00:48:30WERE OVER IN THE WAR, THAT THEY
00:48:34DIDN'T ASK FOR WHAT POLITICAL
00:48:36PERSUASION YOU WERE ABOUT. BUT
00:48:38WE'RE AMERICANS, AND YOU KNOW
00:48:42SOMETHING? I DONATED TO HIM ON,
00:48:45ON THE ON THE LINE. HE'S A REAL
00:48:49AMERICAN. YES, I >> LOVE IT.
00:48:53>> 51 YEARS OLD. >> I LOVE WELL, YOU'RE A YOUNG GUY. DON'T, DON'T SAY IT LIKE
00:48:56IT'S SOMETHING OLD.
00:49:04>> BUT HE IS THE REAL DEAL. >> HE IS THE REAL DEAL. HE THE
00:49:06GUY. THE GUY IS THE REAL DEAL.
00:49:08AND, AND LIKE, THANK GOD THAT
00:49:11PEOPLE WITH HIS CREDENTIALS ARE WILLING TO RUN FOR PUBLIC
00:49:14OFFICE. HIS WEB ADDRESS IS SETH
00:49:17FROM MONTANA.COM. SETH FOR MONTANA.COM. VIRGIL. THANK YOU,
00:49:20SIR. I APPRECIATE THE COMPLIMENT. I APPRECIATE YOU DIALING THE PHONE AS WELL. WE'LL
00:49:23COME BACK AND TAKE MORE OF YOUR TELEPHONE CALLS ON THIS. OH, BY
00:49:26THE WAY, AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR,
00:49:31SIR CHARLES BARKLEY DROPS BY FOR
00:49:31A VISIT. LOOK
00:49:41>> .COM. SHOULD CAMERAS BE ALLOWED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT PROCEEDING. THE PUBLIC HAS A
00:49:45LEGAL RIGHT TO ATTEND. THAT'S THE POLL QUESTION OF THE DAY.
00:49:48EVERY DAY, THERE'S A DIFFERENT POLL QUESTION POSTED. IT'S RO
00:49:51KHANNA .COM. THIS ONE IS RUNNING
00:49:5592.1% TO 7.9%. DOUG, GREETINGS
00:50:00TO YOU IN DENVER, COLORADO. TELL
00:50:02ME ONE THING YOU WANTED TO SAY
00:50:06>> BOGNER MADE ME WANT TO RUN THROUGH A BRICK WALL. I LOVE
00:50:08THAT GUY, MAN. HE HE FIRED ME UP, LIKE, MORE THAN I'VE HEARD
00:50:12ANYBODY FIRE ME UP SINCE, LIKE, THE OBAMA ERA. YOU KNOW WHAT I
00:50:15MEAN? IT'S AWESOME. LIKE, REALLY AWESOME. SOMEBODY WHO
00:50:18FELT THAT, LIKE, ALIENATED BY BOTH PARTIES TO HAVE A DUDE LIKE
00:50:22THAT. I JUST REALLY HOPE WE CAN GET A RANK AND FILE BEHIND HIM.
00:50:26IT'S NUANCE IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. IT ISN'T A LOT OF IT ANYMORE.
00:50:28>> I, I, I MET HIM, I, I SHOULD, I SHOULD PUT MORE CARDS ON THE
00:50:31TABLE BECAUSE I AM BIASED IN
00:50:34THIS REGARD. I MET HIM IN WEST
00:50:36VIRGINIA AT A GATHERING THAT WAS ORGANIZED BY JOE MANCHIN AND HIS
00:50:40DAUGHTER, HEATHER MANCHIN. JOE, FROM THE GREAT STATE OF WEST
00:50:43VIRGINIA. AND HE BROUGHT IN A NUMBER OF INDEPENDENT
00:50:46CANDIDATES. I WAS THERE TO INTERVIEW THE MANSIONS FOR CNN
00:50:49ABOUT THIS EFFORT. AND THE
00:50:52MANSIONS ARE BEHIND BACKING A
00:50:54HANDFUL OF INDEPENDENTS LIKE BODNER, ON THE THEORY THAT IF
00:50:57YOU JUST HAD A COUPLE OF JOE
00:50:59MANCHIN IN THE SENATE, AND SETH
00:51:02CORRECTED ME WHEN I SAID, YOU KNOW, POWER WOULD BE VESTED THERE, HE DIDN'T LIKE MY USE OF
00:51:06THE WORD POWER. THAT'S OKAY. THE
00:51:07POINT IS, WE DILUTE THE FRINGES,
00:51:10AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEKING TO DO. DILUTE THE FAR LEFT, DILUTE
00:51:13THE FAR RIGHT, AND GIVE A VOICE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SOMEWHERE
00:51:16IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS STEVE STEVES IN THE GREAT STATE OF
00:51:20TEXAS. WHAT DID YOU WANT TO
00:51:21OFFER, STEVE? HI
00:51:24>> HELLO. UM, I WANT TO HELP
00:51:27UNIFY INDEPENDENTS. A DOCUMENT
00:51:30CALLED INDEPENDENT VOTERS BILL
00:51:32OF RIGHTS. UM, ADDS COHESION AND
00:51:37A SENSE OF IDENTITY TO
00:51:39INDEPENDENT VOTERS. UM, I'VE
00:51:42BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE ALASKA
00:51:43SYSTEM, BUT I THINK THAT WE, AS
00:51:47INDEPENDENTS NEED THAT, UH, THAT
00:51:50BOOST AND TO SEE WHAT THE MAJOR
00:51:52PARTIES HAVE DONE TO OUR VOTING
00:51:58RIGHTS, UH. >> WELL, I, I ENCOURAGE YOU, STEVE, TO POST IT ON MY FACEBOOK
00:52:02PAGE, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF
00:52:06ROBUST CONVERSATIONS ON MY
00:52:07FACEBOOK PAGE, NOT THE LEAST OF
00:52:10WHICH DEAL WITH INDEPENDENT THINKING. THIS IS GEORGE IN SAINT LOUIS. HE WANTS TO PAY ME
00:52:13A COMPLIMENT. GEORGE, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR YOUR COMPLIMENT
00:52:16OTHER THAN ME. WHAT IS IT?
00:52:20>> WELL, I HAVE TO TELL YOU,
00:52:21MICHAEL. I LISTENED TO YOU ON
00:52:24CNN ALL THE TIME. AND I SO
00:52:27APPRECIATE YOUR SHOW. AND I GET
00:52:31DISILLUSIONED BY PEOPLE CALLING UP AND SAYING, YOU'RE SUCH A
00:52:32TRUMP MAN WHEN ALL YOU'RE DOING IS PRESENTING THE FACTS. YOU
00:52:37HAVE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES. COME ON, YOU PRESENT THE FACTS AND
00:52:40LET OTHER. LET PEOPLE CHOOSE THE WAY THEY WANT TO CHOOSE. I THINK
00:52:43IT'S TERRIFIC. I THINK YOU'RE TERRIFIC. I'M GLAD YOU'RE ON
00:52:47C-SPAN. THIS IS A TREAT FOR ME. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY THIS ONE
00:52:51MORE THING, PLEASE. WE STILL
00:52:53LIVE IN THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN
00:52:55THE WORLD. SURE. OKAY. AND
00:52:57WHAT'S SO NICE ABOUT OUR SYSTEM
00:52:59IS THAT IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEBODY, YOU CAN ELECT THEM
00:53:03OUT. THE NEXT, NEXT, GO AROUND.
00:53:05AND I TELL IF YOU KNOW HIM OR
00:53:11INTERVIEWED HIM, BUT. HE DID. >> YES.
00:53:14>> KIND OF THAT WE NEED IN
00:53:17POLITICS, BECAUSE HE WAS, HE'S
00:53:19IN THE MIDDLE AND HE'S A BRIGHT GUY.
00:53:22>> HE WAS AHEAD OF HIS TIME
00:53:26RELATIVE TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID AND
00:53:28ALL THE DEMOCRATS COALESCED
00:53:32AROUND HIM, AGAINST HIM, IS WHAT I MEANT TO SAY. IT'S FUNNY. IT'S FUNNY THAT GEORGE. THANK
00:53:35YOU, GEORGE, THAT GEORGE MAKES REFERENCE TO PEOPLE WHO CALL AND SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE,
00:53:38YOU'RE TOO CLOSE TO TRUMP.
00:53:41YOU'RE THERE TO HELP TRUMP. FOR EVERY PERSON WHO SAYS THAT, FOR
00:53:44EVERY PERSON WHO SAYS THAT AND TC CAN ATTEST TO THIS, THERE'S
00:53:48SOMEBODY ELSE WHO SEES ME ENTIRELY AT THE OTHER END OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. >> OH FOR SURE.
00:53:52>> SO THEY CANCEL. THEY CANCEL EACH OTHER. THEY CANCEL EACH
00:53:55OTHER OUT, IS THE POINT. UH, AND
00:53:57IF I'M OFFENDING BOTH ENDS OF
00:54:01THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM, THEN IT'S A GOOD DAY AT THE OFFICE.
00:54:03BACK WITH MORE
00:54:14MODERATES WATCHING ALL SIDES. >> BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES
00:54:17SENATE FROM MONTANA, AND HE IS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT. THIS
00:54:20IS CHRIS. CHRIS IS IN OHIO. HI,
00:54:21CHRIS. WHAT DID YOU MOST WANT TO
00:54:24SAY >> YOUR SHOW. I REMEMBER A FEW
00:54:28YEARS AGO WHEN YOU WERE KIND OF
00:54:30TOUTING, UM, THE INDEPENDENCE THAT WOULD MAYBE RUN AGAINST,
00:54:34UH, IN 2020 AND, UM, OR 2024, I
00:54:38DON'T REMEMBER. >> COULD, COULD, COULD BE BOTH.
00:54:40IT COULD BE, COULD BE BOTH. IT PROBABLY WAS BOTH.
00:54:44>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT THERE WAS, THERE WAS A MOVEMENT
00:54:47AND, UM, PEOPLE, PEOPLE WERE
00:54:50LIKE JUMPING THE FENCE. LIKE THERE WAS TALK ABOUT CHRIS
00:54:52CHRISTIE AS RUNNING AS AN INDEPENDENT. AND, UM, I THINK
00:54:55THE ONLY WAY THE INDEPENDENT MOVEMENT'S GOING TO REALLY
00:54:59CATCH HOLD IS IF PEOPLE ARE TRUE
00:55:02INDEPENDENTS, THEY WEREN'T
00:55:03ESTABLISHED AS A DEMOCRAT OR A
00:55:06REPUBLICAN PRIOR. AND THEY COME INTO THE FIELD THAT WAY.
00:55:10>> SO I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY FOR
00:55:12EXPEDIENCE. IF THAT'S YOUR POINT, RIGHT? I'LL STICK WITH
00:55:16THE CHRIS CHRISTIE EXAMPLE. I DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT CHRIS CHRISTIE, WHO'S, WHO'S HAPPY AS
00:55:20A REPUBLICAN ONE DAY AND THEN
00:55:21DECIDES, OH, I COULD ACTUALLY
00:55:24GET ELECTED IF I HAD THAT LABEL. I'M NOT FOR THAT. I'M NOT FOR
00:55:28THAT. IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY WITH
00:55:30ME. IF AT ONE TIME YOU WERE IN
00:55:33THE DEMOCRATIC OR REPUBLICAN PARTY, BECAUSE, HELL, FOR 30
00:55:36YEARS, I WAS NOT ONLY A
00:55:38REPUBLICAN, BUT A VERY ACTIVE REPUBLICAN, AND SERVED IN THE
00:55:42BUSH ADMINISTRATION. BUT, BUT I GET YOUR POINT. WE DON'T WANT
00:55:45SOMEBODY TO USE US. AND I DON'T THINK THAT SETH BODNAR IS, IS
00:55:49USING THE INDEPENDENT MOVEMENT. >> RIGHT. YEAH. AND I HAVE A
00:55:53QUICK QUESTION AS WELL. OKAY. SO
00:55:57WHAT HAPPENS IN A PRESIDENTIAL SETTING WHEN THE ELECTION COMES
00:55:59THROUGH? AND THERE'S, I'M JUST
00:56:03RANDOMLY SAYING 33% REPUBLICAN,
00:56:0533% DEMOCRAT, 33% INDEPENDENT IN
00:56:07A STATE. WHAT HAPPENS TO, UM,
00:56:13THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, WHAT HAPPENS IN THOSE STATES? >> WELL, I, I THINK, OKAY, I
00:56:17THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS,
00:56:19HEY, MICHAEL, IF, IF NOBODY GETS
00:56:21TO 270 AND NOW IT GETS THROWN TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
00:56:25AND WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION
00:56:26IN THE LAST COUPLE OF CYCLES,
00:56:30NOT SO MUCH IN THE MOST RECENT ONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GETS ONE VOTE. WHAT
00:56:33HAPPENS TO THE INDEPENDENT? WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE
00:56:35ENOUGH INDEPENDENTS IN THE
00:56:38FORESEEABLE FUTURE TO COMMAND THAT VOTE. I WOULD HOPE THAT
00:56:42THOSE STATES THAT PARDON ME, THAT THOSE CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATIONS WOULD FOLLOW THE
00:56:46WILL OF, OF HOW THEIR PARTICULAR STATE TURNED OUT. THAT'S THE
00:56:50THAT'S THE BEST THAT I CAN, I CAN OFFER YOU. AND I LOVE IT, CHRIS. WHEN PEOPLE HOLD ME
00:56:53ACCOUNTABLE BY CALLING AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, YOU CALLED AND, AND
00:56:57YOU SAID THIS AT LEAST AT LEAST
00:56:59ON THIS ISSUE. I'VE, I'VE BEEN CONSISTENT. SUSAN, YOU'RE IN
00:57:02FLORIDA. WHAT DID YOU MOST WANT
00:57:04TO SAY
00:57:11>> I, I HAVE NEVER HEARD YOU
00:57:12BEFORE. I, I THINK YOU'RE
00:57:15MARVELOUS. UM, I WAS, DEMOCRAT
00:57:22AFTER TRUMP'S FIRST TERM. UM,
00:57:24USUALLY VOTED FOR THE MAN THINK.
00:57:31>> YOUR TONGUE, YOUR TONGUE TIED. YOU'RE SO, YOU'RE SO
00:57:33EXCITED TO BE HERE. YOUR TONGUE TIED. IT'S AMAZING.
00:57:37>> I. YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT.
00:57:40>> YOU'RE VERY KIND. THANK YOU.
00:57:42>> I THINK WE UM, I THOUGHT FOR
00:57:46QUITE A WHILE THAT WE OUGHT TO
00:57:49DO AWAY WITH PARTIES PARTIES ARE.
00:57:52>> I MEAN, AT THIS POINT, I'M SUPPOSED TO BE. AT THIS POINT, I
00:57:55SHOULD GO TO MY TALK RADIO PLAYBOOK AND QUOTE GEORGE
00:57:59WASHINGTON, BECAUSE HE FELT THE SAME WAY THAT THAT YOU FELT. THANK YOU. SUSAN. I'M GOING TO
00:58:02KEEP MOVING. I'M TRYING TO SQUEEZE SOME PEOPLE IN HERE BEFORE THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
00:58:06PETER, YOU'RE IN THE LEHIGH
00:58:11VALLEY HIGH. >> HIGH. I GUESS I'M COMING FROM A MUCH MORE CYNICAL POSITION,
00:58:14BUT I I'M SURE YOU'LL REMEMBER
00:58:17THE POLITICAL ODDITY A FEW YEARS AGO, WHERE THE DNC WAS
00:58:20SUPPORTING MAGA CANDIDATES IN PRIMARIES, HOPING TO PICK THEIR
00:58:24PREFERRED OPPONENTS. AND I'M SURPRISED THE REPUBLICANS ARE
00:58:27NOT DOING THAT. FINANCIAL SUPPORTING. OF DSA CANDIDATES.
00:58:31>> WELL, THERE IS SOME OF THAT GOING ON. AND, YOU KNOW, BY THE
00:58:34WAY, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE,
00:58:36THERE'S NOTHING NEW ABOUT BOOSTING AN OPPONENT THAT YOU
00:58:40THINK WOULD BE EASIER TO DEFEAT. YOU'RE CALLING FROM ALLENTOWN,
00:58:44PENNSYLVANIA. SO YOU AND I ARE A
00:58:46COUPLE OF PENNSYLVANIANS, AND I
00:58:48REMEMBER WELL AS JOSH SHAPIRO RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING FOR
00:58:52REELECTION. I REMEMBER THE LAST
00:58:55CYCLE WHEN HE KNEW HE COULD DEFEAT DOUG MASTRIANO. AND SO
00:58:58RAN A PARTICULAR. EXACTLY RIGHT.
00:59:00RAN A COMMERCIAL TO BOOST MASTRIANO. AND YOUR POINT IS,
00:59:04I'M. I'M COMING UP SHORT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN EXAMPLE
00:59:07THAT I OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO RATTLE OFF FOR YOU ABOUT A DSA
00:59:11CANDIDATE WHO WAS SUPPORTED BY
00:59:14REPUBLICANS FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASON IT TAKES PLACE. IT'S,
00:59:17IT'S, IT'S PART AND PARCEL. >> ANGIE DICKSON IN FLORIDA
00:59:20WOULD BE A PERFECT, YOU KNOW. >> OH, EXACTLY. YEAH, THAT'S A
00:59:23GREAT EXAMPLE. YEAH. PETER. THANK YOU FOR PETER. PETER, WHEN YOU HANG UP, AS I'M LOOKING AT
00:59:27THE CLOCK, IT'S A LITTLE EARLY,
00:59:29BUT ARE YOU THINKING YOCCO'S FOR
00:59:33LUNCH? >> NO, NOT TODAY, NOT YET. IT'S A GREAT PLACE.
00:59:37>> IT IS A GREAT PLACE. I CAN NEVER GO THROUGH THE LINE
00:59:39WITHOUT GOING BACK. NO MATTER. >> HOW YOU ORDER DOUBLE.
00:59:43>> BOGEY. I SAY I'M GOING TO GET SIX PIEROGI AND THREE HOT DOGS. AND IT'S NEVER ENOUGH.
00:59:47NEVER ENOUGH. AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T. I DON'T EAT THREE HOT DOGS. >> YOU DON'T?
00:59:51>> WELL, I DO THERE. >> OH. OH. >> I MEAN. >> LIKE, IF YOU GOT. >> TO ME FOR LUNCH, WHAT DO YOU WANT?
00:59:55>> I JUST GOT IT. >> SWALLOW IT, I WOULD SAY I. >> LIKE IT'S NOT THAT EARLY FOR
00:59:59LUNCH. GREAT TIME FOR LUNCH. >> IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR FOR
01:00:02YOCCO'S. HELLO, KATHY. YOU'RE IN CHICAGO. IT IS YOUR TURN.
01:00:05WHAT? SPEAKING OF HOT DOGS. CHICAGO. WHAT DID YOU MOST WANT
01:00:09TO SAY? >> THAT IS. THAT IS CORRECT. I
01:00:12JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR ALERTING US TO C-SPAN 2, BECAUSE
01:00:16I'M WATCHING YOU AS I'M SPEAKING TO YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO BE
01:00:20JUST FOR THIS WEEK, OR ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS?
01:00:23>> JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR A LITTLE, JUST FOR A LITTLE FUN AT
01:00:27THE END OF SUMMER, CONGRESS IS
01:00:31IN RECESS. THEY SAID TO ME, HEY, WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THE SHOW. I,
01:00:34I WILL TELL YOU, I, I WAS
01:00:38RATTLED BECAUSE BEFORE COMING ON AIR, I REALIZED IT WAS C-SPAN 2,
01:00:42AND I WAS NERVOUS ONLY BECAUSE
01:00:45LAST NIGHT I DROVE TO MY MOTHER'S HOUSE, NOT EXACTLY
01:00:48AROUND THE CORNER, AND TURNED ON
01:00:53HER TV FOR C-SPAN SO THAT SHE COULD WATCH WITHOUT WAKING UP
01:00:56AND BEING WORRIED ABOUT WHAT CHANNEL, BECAUSE SHE'D,
01:00:59FRANKLY, BE AT FOX. OR MAYBE SHE'D BE AT CNN. SHE WATCHES
01:01:03CNN WHEN I'M ON CNN. OTHERWISE SHE WATCH. AND ALL I COULD THINK
01:01:06OF WAS, OH MY GOD, MOM ISN'T
01:01:08GOING TO KNOW. IT'S C-SPAN TWO. BUT I WAS ABLE TO TALK HER
01:01:12THROUGH IT. AND THE WORLD IS FINE. THE WORLD IS FINE. SO
01:01:16THANK YOU, KATHY
01:01:18>> WHAT HAPPENED WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO YOU ON, ON, ON MY
01:01:21PHONE, I HEARD YOU SAYING THAT.
01:01:23SO I WENT OVER TO THE TV. I ASKED FOR C-SPAN 2, AND I WAS
01:01:27LIKE, HOLY COW, THERE HE IS.
01:01:31AND, AND SO I WAS JUST HOPING YOU. >> WERE FUNNY.
01:01:34>> THIS COULD BE LIKE A FOREVER. >> YOU ARE VERY FUNNY. >> OH.
01:01:37>> YEAH, I CAN ONLY, I CAN ONLY SAY THIS. KEEP AN EYE ON MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL BECAUSE EVERY
01:01:41DAY WE'RE POSTING GREAT STUFF
01:01:42ON, ON, ON YOUTUBE, BUT I, I