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00:00:01>> DEBBIE. UH >> HER NAME? DARLENE. GRAHAM.
00:00:05>> GRAHAM. >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION
00:00:09RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, IF A BILL
00:00:11COMES UP, I PROMISE YOU I WILL
00:00:13READ IT, AND I WILL VOTE
00:00:15ACCORDINGLY. THAT'S MANCHIN DID WHEN HARRY REID ASKED HIM TO
00:00:19VOTE IN A PARTY LINE VOTE. AND GUESS WHAT? HE READ THE BILL AND
00:00:22SAID, NO, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS
00:00:26>> LIKE IT. LET'S ALL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT IN THAT
00:00:29ELECTION. AND, UH, PERHAPS WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT TOMORROW. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU'VE NOT
00:00:32ALREADY VOTED, GO TO
00:00:35SMERCONISH.COM RIGHT NOW. AND ANSWER TODAY'S POLL QUESTION.
00:00:38IN A STATE WHERE ONE PARTY
00:00:40CAN'T WIN A SENATE SEAT, SHOULD
00:00:42THAT PARTY STEP ASIDE FOR A
00:00:46STRONG, INDEPENDENT, NEARING
00:00:4825000 VOTES, IT'S RUNNING 8515
00:00:51ROUND NUMBERS, 85% SAYING YES,
00:00:56YES, THE PARTY SHOULD STAND DOWN
00:00:58AND GIVE THE INDEPENDENT A SHOT.
00:01:00AND I'M ALL FOR THAT. SEE YOU >> [MUSIC]
00:01:04>> BOUNCE WITH YOU. YES, I'M
00:01:22>> AND MORE SIMULCAST TALK RADIO COVERAGE. NOW, AS WE TAKE YOU
00:01:24LIVE TO PORTLAND, OREGON, FOR THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM TO
00:01:28HEAR HIS TAKE ON THE DAY'S
00:01:30BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES, THIS
00:01:33IS LIVE COVERAGE.
00:01:52>> AND SPECIAL GREETINGS TO OUR C-SPAN AUDIENCE. UH, WE.
00:01:55>> WILL BE HERE ALL WEEK.
00:01:59>> I'M THOM HARTMANN. THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. UH,
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00:02:25DISCUSSED, INCLUDING CALLERS, CONVERSATIONS, UM, OR THE
00:02:28STORIES BEHIND THEM. UH, RIGHT,
00:02:30RIGHT TO YOUR INBOX. IT'S JUST A GREAT THING. UM, WE GOT A LOT
00:02:33TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. AND PROBABLY THE BIGGEST STORY
00:02:36THAT'S IN THE NEWS RIGHT NOW IS
00:02:38HOW THE SUPREME COURT SEEMS TO
00:02:41BE GOING ALONG WITH DONALD TRUMP'S EFFORT TO RIG THE
00:02:43ELECTION THIS FALL. UH, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP FAMOUSLY
00:02:47CHEATS AT GOLF, WRITE. AN ENTIRE BOOK HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT IT.
00:02:50WE'VE GOT A BOXER NOW WHO JUST CAME OUT AND, YOU KNOW, SAID
00:02:52THAT TRUMP WAS CHEATING WHEN THEY PLAYED TOGETHER. UM, AND
00:02:56APPARENTLY CHEATS AT EVERYTHING. I MEAN, HE CHEATED ON ALL THREE
00:02:58OF HIS WIVES. UM, I MEAN, TO THE
00:03:01POINT WHERE HIS THIRD WIFE, UH, YOU KNOW, CHEATING WITH A
00:03:03PLAYBOY BUNNY AND A PORN STAR
00:03:06AND THEN PAYING THEM OFF EACH OVER $100,000 TO KEEP QUIET
00:03:09ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, THE GUY'S A
00:03:11CHEATER. AND, UH, HE, IT'S VERY
00:03:14CLEAR, I THINK, INCREASINGLY CLEAR TO TRUMP THAT HE'S GOING
00:03:18TO LOSE THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, WHETHER IT'S THE HOUSE, THE SENATE, OR BOTH. YOU KNOW, IT'S
00:03:22ALL STILL UP IN THE AIR. BUT AND I GET IT THAT THE BILLIONAIRE
00:03:25MONEY HAS NOT YET WEIGHED IN. AND IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THE
00:03:28REPUBLICANS COULD HOLD ON. BUT TRUMP ISN'T TAKING ANY CHANCES.
00:03:31AND SO HE'S ORDERED THE POST OFFICE TO REFUSE TO DELIVER MAIL
00:03:34TO ANYBODY WHO'S NOT ON HIS LIST
00:03:36OF APPROVED VOTERS. AND HE'S
00:03:40CREATING THE LIST. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT. AND YESTERDAY, THE
00:03:43SUPREME COURT SAID, WELL, YOU
00:03:46KNOW, HE CAN GO. MOMENT,
00:03:51BASICALLY, IN THE THIRD HOUR OF
00:03:52OUR PROGRAM AT WHAT WOULD BE
00:03:561130 PACIFIC TIME, 230 EASTERN
00:03:58TIME, TODAY, WE WILL BE INTERVIEWING STEVE VLADECK, WHO
00:04:01IS A VERY, VERY WELL-KNOWN LAWYER. HE'S GOT A GREAT BLOG
00:04:04OVER ON, ON, UM, UH, WHAT DO YOU
00:04:07CALL IT? SUBSTACK. AND, UH, YOU
00:04:11KNOW, ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT. SO WE'LL GET INTO THAT THEN.
00:04:15BUT, BUT THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THIS IS NOTHING
00:04:17NEW FOR JOHN ROBERTS. JOHN
00:04:20ROBERTS, UH, AND FRANKLY, WHAT I
00:04:22THINK IS HAPPENING HERE IS THAT
00:04:26THE CONSERVATIVES ON THE SUPREME
00:04:27COURT ARE AT LEAST 2 OR 3 OF
00:04:32THEM ARE TERRIFIED. I MEAN, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SHELDON
00:04:34WHITEHOUSE AND OTHER WHO ON THIS PROGRAM, HE'S BEEN ON THIS
00:04:38PROGRAM MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IF THE
00:04:42DEMOCRATS TAKE THE SENATE, HE
00:04:45INTENDS TO INVESTIGATE AND CALL BEFORE HIS COMMITTEE FOR
00:04:49TESTIMONY. JOHN ROBERTS AND
00:04:50CLARENCE THOMAS. CLARENCE THOMAS
00:04:54HAS TAKEN SOMETHING LIKE $3 MILLION FROM A NAZI IN GIFTS AND, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT A NEW
00:04:58HOUSE FOR HIS MOTHER AND SENT
00:04:59HIS KID TO SCHOOL AND, AND TOOK HIM ON VACATIONS ALL AROUND THE
00:05:03WORLD, BASICALLY $3 MILLION WORTH OF GOODIES FROM A NAZI
00:05:07MEMORABILIA, COLLECTING, RIGHT,
00:05:09HARDCORE RIGHT WING, UH, YOU KNOW, REAL ESTATE, TEXAS REAL
00:05:12ESTATE BILLIONAIRE AND JOHN
00:05:14ROBERTS WIFE HAS TAKEN OVER $10
00:05:16MILLION FROM MAJOR LAW FIRMS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANY OF WHOM
00:05:19DO BUSINESS WITH THE SUPREME COURT. THESE ARE BOTH CLEAR
00:05:23CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. THESE ARE BOTH CLEAR VIOLATIONS OF ANY
00:05:26KIND OF NORMS OF JUDICIAL
00:05:29ETHICS. SAM ALITO IS ALSO TAKING GIFTS FROM RIGHT WINGERS AND
00:05:31FROM FROM RIGHT WING FOUNDATIONS. AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
00:05:35AND AMY CONEY BARRETT HAS BEEN RULING ON CASES THAT INVOLVE THE
00:05:38FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY. WHEN HER FATHER WAS SHELL OIL'S TOP
00:05:41LAWYER FOR 30 SOME ODD YEARS. SO, UH, IN MY OPINION, WHAT'S
00:05:45GOING ON HERE IS THAT THEY'RE AS
00:05:47SCARED AS TRUMP IS. AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE WILLING TO GO
00:05:51ALONG. POSSIBLY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS SHAKES
00:05:53OUT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'LL HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH
00:05:57CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS IN A FEW MINUTES. AND IN THE THIRD HOUR
00:06:01OF OUR PROGRAM, IN PARTICULAR.
00:06:02BUT I THINK THEY'RE PERFECTLY WILLING TO LET TRUMP RIG THE
00:06:06ELECTION IF IT MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET DRAGGED BEFORE CONGRESS. AND
00:06:10THIS HAS GOT TO BE KEEPING JOHN ROBERTS UP AT NIGHT. AND AND,
00:06:13YOU KNOW, HE'S HE'S BEEN RUNNING A CON REALLY SINCE SEPTEMBER OF
00:06:172005, WHEN HE FIRST TESTIFIED BEFORE CONGRESS. IN HIS
00:06:21CONFIRMATION HEARINGS, HE WAS PUT ON THE COURT BY GEORGE W
00:06:24BUSH, MADE THE CHIEF JUSTICE,
00:06:27AND, YOU KNOW, HIS. HE FAMOUSLY
00:06:29SAID, I WILL ONLY CALL BALLS AND
00:06:31STRIKES. I WILL NOT PITCH OR
00:06:33BAT. AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED, IN
00:06:36FACT, 22 DEMOCRATS VOTED TO CONFIRM HIM. I MEAN, THEY
00:06:39BELIEVED HIM. AND WHEN HE WAS ASKED EXPLICITLY ABOUT THE
00:06:43VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965, THE VRA, HE SAID, IT'S ESTABLISHED
00:06:47LAW, AND HE HAS NO PROBLEM WITH
00:06:49IT. TED KENNEDY ASKED HIM THAT QUESTION, AND ROBERTS REPLIED,
00:06:53QUOTE, THE EXISTING VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE CONSTITUTIONALITY HAS BEEN UPHELD, AND I DON'T HAVE ANY
00:06:57ISSUE WITH THAT. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHEN HE
00:07:00WORKED AS A LAWYER IN RONALD
00:07:02REAGAN'S JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, HE
00:07:04WROTE MORE THAN 20 MEMOS
00:07:07ATTACKING THE VOTING RIGHTS. UH
00:07:12LAW, UH YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST CRAZY. HE SAID IT WOULD CREATE A
00:07:16QUOTA SYSTEM AKIN TO AFFIRMATIVE
00:07:17ACTION FOR ELECTORAL POLITICS.
00:07:20AND SURE ENOUGH, THAT'S BEEN THE ATTITUDE THAT HE'S TAKEN WITH
00:07:24THE SHELBY COUNTY DECISION AND OTHERS THAT HAVE GUTTED THE
00:07:26VOTING RIGHTS ACT SO HERE WE ARE
00:07:28NOW. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL EXTRAORDINARILY CORRUPT MEMBERS
00:07:32OF THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WHO
00:07:35NOT ONLY ARE GOING ALONG WITH THE CORRUPTION OF THE TRUMP
00:07:38ADMINISTRATION AND THE GENERAL CORRUPTION OF THE REPUBLICAN
00:07:40PARTY, BUT BUT, IN MY OPINION, ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY CONCERNED.
00:07:44>> FOR THEIR.
00:07:48>> FOR THEIR OWN.
00:07:49>> [MUSIC]
00:07:55>> THIS IS THE THOM >> [MUSIC] >> HARTMANN PROGRAM.
00:07:58>> HEY, TOP OF THE TUESDAY TO YOU. A LOT GOING ON. JUST A
00:08:02REMINDER, I'M DOING A BOOK
00:08:03SIGNING OVER AT POWELL'S AND ON
00:08:07BURNSIDE ON SEPTEMBER 25th. PUT IT ON YOUR, ON YOUR CALENDAR.
00:08:10UH, THE NEW BOOK IS WHO KILLED
00:08:13THE AMERICAN DREAM. UH, AND, UH, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S HAPPENING. WE
00:08:15GOT A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. IN THE FIRST HOUR OF OUR
00:08:18PROGRAM, JOHN ROBERTS GETS EXPOSED FOR THE BIGGEST CON IN AMERICA. WELL, I JUST, I WAS
00:08:22JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT, ACTUALLY. AND TRUMP'S INNER
00:08:26CIRCLE PANICS OVER NATALIE AS
00:08:29THE RASPUTIN PARALLEL GETS REAL JUSTICE. JACKSON IS SOUNDING AN
00:08:33ALARM ABOUT THIS. UH, ALSO A CRAZY ALERT. TRUMP GETS BUSTED
00:08:36CHEATING AT GOLF AND SHOWS WHY
00:08:38AMERICA CAN'T TRUST HIM TO PLAY BY THE RULES. IN THE SECOND HOUR
00:08:41OF OUR PROGRAM TODAY, MARY TRUMP IS GOING TO DROP BY DONALD
00:08:45TRUMP'S NIECE, WHO IS ALSO A LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST
00:08:49AND HAS A GREAT SUBSTACK
00:08:51NEWSLETTER. UM, TRUMP'S PANICKING. HIS APPROVAL RATING
00:08:54IS IN THE TOILET, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES A DESPERATE
00:08:58TRUMP DO? LET'S ASK, WE'LL ASK
00:09:00MARY IN THE SECOND HOUR. ALSO,
00:09:02REPUBLICANS ARE ERASING TRANS PEOPLE FROM THEIR LOG CABIN.
00:09:06REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS PRETTY BIZARRE. I'LL SHARE MY THOUGHTS
00:09:10ON THAT AND WHY THAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW IT'S PART OF REALLY A
00:09:13LARGER PLAN TO, UH, TO, TO DO
00:09:17THIS CLASSIC DICTATOR MOVE, WHICH IS IDENTIFY MY, A, MY
00:09:20POWERLESS MINORITY GROUP. AND
00:09:24DEMONIZE THEM, AND THEN USE THAT TO CHANGE THE CONVERSATION AWAY
00:09:27FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS YOU'RE DOING THAT THE PEOPLE
00:09:30MIGHT NOT LIKE. AND ALSO, IN THE SECOND HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM,
00:09:33TRUMP IS ATTACKING CANADA WITH HIS FAVORITE BULLY TACTIC. HE'S.
00:09:37NOW HE'S THREATENING TO RENAME LAKE ONTARIO. IT JUST NEVER
00:09:40STOPS. AND ALSO, IN THE SECOND HOUR, HERE'S HOW MUCH THE $40
00:09:44TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT IS COSTING YOU. IN OUR THIRD HOUR.
00:09:46WE'LL HAVE THREE GUESTS TODAY. CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE IS GOING TO
00:09:50SHOW UP IN THE FIRST SEGMENT. HE'S GOT THIS ARTICLE SAYING
00:09:54THAT BASICALLY EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW CAN AFFORD UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE. AND SO
00:09:58WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I WAS LIVING IN VERMONT
00:10:00WHEN VERMONT TRIED THIS, SO I'VE
00:10:04KIND OF BEEN THROUGH IT, YOU KNOW, HAD HAD SOME PERSONAL
00:10:06EXPERIENCE WITH IT. AND STEVE VLADECK WILL BE WITH US AT THE
00:10:09BOTTOM OF THE THIRD HOUR. UH,
00:10:12MAKING SENSE OF THE MAIL IN BALLOTS RULING. HE'S AN
00:10:15ATTORNEY AND A REAL EXPERT ON THIS STUFF, AND HE'S GOING TO LAY OUT FOR US EXACTLY WHAT
00:10:19HAPPENED. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO
00:10:22START OUT, THIS, THIS WHOLE
00:10:24THING, UH, WITH THE, UH, WITH
00:10:28DONALD TRUMP, HE ISSUED THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER BACK IN THE
00:10:32EARLIER IN THE YEAR, I THINK IT
00:10:33WAS IN APRIL. AND THE EXECUTIVE
00:10:36ORDER, UH, HAS TWO PARTS TO IT.
00:10:39UH, ONE PART DIRECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO COME UP
00:10:42WITH A LIST OF APPROVED VOTERS, BASICALLY, TO GET THE VOTER
00:10:45REGISTRATIONS FROM ALL THE
00:10:48STATES. COMPARE IT WITH CITIZENSHIP RECORDS. AND, UH,
00:10:52AND BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN VOTE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN VOTE,
00:10:55YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING
00:10:58TO TURN OUT, GIVEN HOW POLITICIZED THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS RIGHT NOW. I MEAN,
00:11:01IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TRUMP AND GOP
00:11:04CENTRAL. BUT THE SECOND PART OF IT THEN DIRECTS THE POST OFFICE
00:11:08TO REFUSE TO DELIVER MAIL IN
00:11:10BALLOTS OR PICK UP MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
00:11:13ON THAT LIST, AND ORDERS THE STATES TO PUT A BARCODE ON THE
00:11:17OUTSIDE OF THE ENVELOPE SO THE MAILMAN CAN IDENTIFY WHETHER OR
00:11:20NOT YOU'RE ON THAT LIST. AND
00:11:23THAT'S THE PART THAT WENT BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT. AND
00:11:26THE SUPREME COURT SAID, WELL,
00:11:27BASICALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE
00:11:32BASIC ARGUMENT WAS THAT, UH, THE
00:11:34POST OFFICE HAS NOT YET PROMULGATED THIS RULE. NOW, KEEP
00:11:37IN MIND, THIS CAME DOWN
00:11:41YESTERDAY, MONDAY, AND AND THE RULING WAS BECAUSE THE POST
00:11:44OFFICE HASN'T YET CREATED THIS
00:11:46RULE. THEY HAVEN'T FINALIZED THIS RULE. THEREFORE, THE STATES
00:11:49HAVE NOT YET BEEN HARMED, AND THEREFORE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE
00:11:52STANDING TO SUE. THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE WHAT THE
00:11:55SUPREME COURT SAID YESTERDAY,
00:11:57WHICH IS BIZARRE BECAUSE ON FRIDAY, KEEP IN MIND, THIS
00:12:00RULING CAME DOWN YESTERDAY. BUT
00:12:02LAST FRIDAY, THIS. THE POST OFFICE POSTMASTER GENERAL, AND
00:12:06THE. AND THE POSTAL BOARD OF GOVERNORS FINALIZED THE RULE.
00:12:09TRUMP. TRUMP HAS STACKED THE POSTAL BOARD OF GOVERNORS. HE
00:12:12PUT FOUR REPUBLICANS ON IT. AND OF COURSE, HE'S GOT A TOADY
00:12:15THERE. NOW, TO A GUY, THE GUY
00:12:17WHO REPLACED LOUIS DEJOY. AND
00:12:21SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ENTIRELY CONCEIVABLE THAT THE POST OFFICE
00:12:25WILL ORDER. ITS ITS DELIVERY PEOPLE NOT TO DELIVER BALLOTS TO
00:12:29PEOPLE IN STATES THAT REFUSE TO
00:12:30GIVE TRUMP HIS LIST, WHICH IS
00:12:33PART OF HIS EXECUTIVE ORDER, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE MY STATE OF
00:12:36OREGON AND THE OTHER FIVE STATES WHERE IT'S NOTHING BUT MAIL IN
00:12:40BALLOTS. AND ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, HALF A DOZEN STATES WHERE THE
00:12:44MAJORITY OF THEM ARE MAIL IN BALLOTS, INCLUDING ALASKA.
00:12:47WEIRDLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE WILLING TO LET ALASKA TAKE A HIT
00:12:50JUST AS LONG AS THEY CAN. THEY
00:12:52CAN DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANT
00:12:54WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. SO JUSTICE
00:12:57JACKSON, UH, WROTE A DISSENT
00:12:59ABOUT THIS. SHE SAID THIS RULING NEEDLESSLY INJECTS CHAOS AND
00:13:02UNCERTAINTY INTO THE UPCOMING MIDTERM ELECTIONS. IT ALSO LETS
00:13:06ANOTHER SHOE DROP IN THE KAFKAESQUE NIGHTMARE THAT OUR
00:13:09PRECEDENTS HAVE BEEN STEADILY CREATING FOR CERTAIN PLAINTIFFS
00:13:12WHO SEEK TO BRING ELECTION RELATED CHALLENGES. NOW, THE PLAINTIFF SHE'S TALKING ABOUT,
00:13:16BY AND LARGE, ARE PEOPLE OF COLOR. THAT'S WHO THE VOTING
00:13:20RIGHTS ACT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE OF COLOR,
00:13:22THAT REPUBLICANS GO AFTER. WHEN
00:13:25GEORGE W BUSH WAS RUNNING FOR
00:13:27PRESIDENT IN 2000, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH GREG PALACE YESTERDAY. AND THIS IS, YOU
00:13:31KNOW, NOT IN DISPUTE, THE BBC
00:13:33BROKE THE STORY, BUT IT'S IT'S WELL ESTABLISHED. NOW THAT, YOU
00:13:37KNOW, WHEN THAT ELECTION WAS
00:13:39HAPPENING, THE, UH, THE, UH, THE
00:13:44GOVERNOR OF FLORIDA, JEB BUSH, ORDERED HIS SECRETARY OF STATE,
00:13:48KATHLEEN HARRIS, TO GET A VOTING
00:13:50OR, EXCUSE ME, A FELON LIST FROM
00:13:53HIS BROTHER, GEORGE W BUSH, WHO
00:13:55WAS THE GOVERNOR OF TEXAS FROM
00:13:58TEXAS. NOW, A FELON LIST WAS
00:14:00HEAVILY BLACK AND HISPANIC. MORE THAN HALF OF ALL TEXAS PEOPLE IN
00:14:04TEXAS PRISONS ARE BLACK OR HISPANIC. SO THEY TAKE THIS
00:14:07FELON LIST. AND AS I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, BLACK AND HISPANIC
00:14:10PEOPLE DRAW FROM A SMALLER POOL
00:14:11OF PEOPLE, UM, HISPANICS. I
00:14:14MEAN, WHITE PEOPLE GENERALLY
00:14:18REFLECT LITERALLY DOZENS OF LANGUAGES, RIGHT? YOU'VE GOT
00:14:20CZECH AND GERMAN AND RUSSIAN
00:14:23AND, AND POLISH AND FRENCH AND SPANISH AND ENGLISH. AND SO YOU
00:14:26GOT ALL THIS HUGE SPECTRUM OF NAMES, HISPANIC PEOPLE. ALL
00:14:30THEIR NAMES ARE SPANISH. SO
00:14:33THERE'S A MILLION JOSE GARCIAS OUT THERE. SO BASICALLY WHAT
00:14:36HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, AND SAME WITH BLACK PEOPLE, A LOT OF
00:14:40BLACK PEOPLE TOOK THE NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO OWNED THEM, WHICH
00:14:42WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY
00:14:44SMALL POOL OF PEOPLE. AND A LOT WERE NAMED AFTER AMERICAN
00:14:48PRESIDENTS. JACKSON, WASHINGTON,
00:14:49JEFFERSON. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE CONSEQUENCE OF THIS IS THAT IF
00:14:53YOU TAKE THE FELON LIST FROM TEXAS AND COMPARE IT WITH THE VOTER LIST IN FLORIDA, YOU'RE
00:14:56GOING TO DISCOVER A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR NAMES, A
00:14:59WHOLE LOT OF JOSE GARCIA'S, AND
00:15:01A WHOLE LOT OF JAMES
00:15:04WASHINGTON'S. AND THEY WERE PURGED FROM THE VOTING ROLLS,
00:15:0790,000. WELL, GREG YESTERDAY SAID IT WAS OVER 100,000 PEOPLE PURGED FROM THE VOTING ROLLS IN
00:15:11FLORIDA JUST BEFORE THE 2000
00:15:13ELECTION. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEM
00:15:16BLACK OR HISPANIC, WHO PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD HAVE
00:15:19VOTED DEMOCRATIC. AND THAT'S HOW
00:15:22GEORGE W BUSH WON THE 2000
00:15:24PRESIDENCY BY 537 VOTES. I MEAN,
00:15:27IT'S JUST CRAZY STUFF, RIGHT?
00:15:29SO, UH, JUSTICE JACKSON POINTS
00:15:32THAT OUT IN, IN HER DISSENT. AND
00:15:35THEN SHE GOES ON TO NOTE THAT,
00:15:38UH, THIS, THIS DECISION, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WAS AFFIRMED BY A,
00:15:42THE, THE LOWER COURT DECISION, WHICH, WHICH SAID, NO, YOU
00:15:46CAN'T DO THAT. BASICALLY TO THE
00:15:49POST OFFICE. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS
00:15:52EXECUTIVE ORDER. THAT WAS THAT WAS UPHELD BY AN APPEALS COURT.
00:15:55I MEAN, THE SUPREME COURT IS GOING AGAINST A REPUBLICAN
00:15:59DOMINATED APPEALS COURT, AND,
00:16:01UH, JACKSON PUSHED BACK ON THIS
00:16:04WHOLE RATIONALE THAT THE STATES
00:16:06WEREN'T HARMED YET. UM, UH,
00:16:08ELENA KAGAN AND SONIA SOTOMAYOR ALSO PUSHED BACK ON THIS. BUT
00:16:12JACKSON SAID A STATE GRANT, A STAY GRANT PUTS THE PLAINTIFF
00:16:15STATES, IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION, THEIR ELECTION OFFICIALS WOULD HAVE TO SCRAMBLE
00:16:19IN THE COMING WEEKS TO CHALLENGE OR ATTEMPT TO TAKE ON THE
00:16:23POTENTIALLY IMPOSSIBLE TASK OF COMPLYING WITH THE PRESIDENT'S
00:16:25NEW MAIL BALLOT REGIME. AND, SHE
00:16:28ADDS, WHEN THE GOVERNMENT'S OBVIOUS GOAL IS TO INTERFERE WITH THE PLAINTIFF STATES
00:16:32PRACTICES AND PREROGATIVES, SEE, THE CONSTITUTION ONLY SAYS THAT
00:16:35STATES CAN RUN ELECTIONS. THERE'S NOT A WORD ABOUT THE
00:16:39PRESIDENT IN A MANNER THAT THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT AUTHORIZE,
00:16:42SHE WRITES. IT IS BOTH A SERIOUS
00:16:45LEGAL ERROR AND A GRAVE MISUSE OF OUR EQUITABLE EMERGENCY
00:16:48POWERS TO LET THE EXECUTIVE POWER PROCEED EVEN ONE STEP
00:16:51FURTHER. AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS THAT CLARENCE
00:16:55THOMAS AND JOHN ROBERTS AND SAM ALITO ARE ALL TERRIFIED OF
00:16:58DEMOCRATS TAKING OVER THE HOUSE
00:16:59OR SENATE, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS ON THIS PROGRAM, FOR THAT MATTER,
00:17:03RO KHANNA FROM THE HOUSE. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE AND THE
00:17:06SENATE HAVE SAID THAT IF THEY TAKE THOSE INSTITUTIONS, EITHER
00:17:09ONE OF THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE HAULING THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES BEFORE THEM TO TALK
00:17:13ABOUT THEIR NAKED CORRUPTION.
00:17:15JOHN ROBERTS WIFE TAKING $10
00:17:17MILLION FROM LAW FIRMS THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THE SUPREME COURT.
00:17:20CLARENCE THOMAS TAKING OVER $3 MILLION WORTH OF GIFTS FROM A
00:17:23RIGHT WING NAZI MEMORABILIA COLLECTING. UH YOU KNOW HARD
00:17:27RIGHT BILLIONAIRE. SO YOU KNOW
00:17:31IT LOOKS LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALL RIGGED TO ME. >> [MUSIC]
00:17:35>> WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF THE DAY AND YOUR CALLS. AND MY DAILY TAKE IN JUST
00:17:38A MOMENT. STICK AROUND.
00:17:46>> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> DEFENDING AMERICA FROM THE
00:17:50WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH YOU.
00:17:53>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
00:18:10>> AND WELCOME BACK, UH, JACKIE IN PORT ORCHARD, WASHINGTON. HEY, JACKIE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
00:18:13TODAY >> YEAH. HEY, TOM. MY HUSBAND
00:18:16AND I ENJOY VISITING CANADA AT
00:18:19LEAST TWICE EACH YEAR UH,
00:18:23CONTRARY TO WHAT YOU SAID ON YOUR BROADCAST YESTERDAY,
00:18:27CANADIAN RESTAURANT SERVERS DO EXPECT AND COUNT ON TIPS. A
00:18:31QUICK DUCK DUCK GO. >> OH, I NEVER SAID THEY DON'T. WHAT I SAID IS THAT THE TIPS ARE
00:18:35TYPICALLY LOWER THAN THEY ARE IN
00:18:38THE UNITED STATES >> TRUE. >> OH, REALLY?
00:18:42>> WELL, GIVEN THE EXCHANGE RATE, THEY'RE LOWER TECHNICALLY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE. >> TALKING ABOUT. OH, NO. MY MY
00:18:46MY. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE I WAS IN CANADA, BUT
00:18:48MY, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT
00:18:52THEY WERE EXPECTING 10%, NOT THE 20% THAT WE TYPICALLY TIP IN THE UNITED STATES. WAS I WRONG?
00:18:55>> OH, NO. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
00:18:58>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION, JACKIE. >> WE DON'T WANT TO PERPETUATE
00:19:02THE, UH, IGNORANT AMERICAN STEREOTYPE.
00:19:05>> RIGHT? THERE SO THAT'S WHAT
00:19:09YOU CALLED ABOUT? YES. TO SET ME STRAIGHT. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE IT WHEN I
00:19:13GET SOMETHING WRONG, I LIKE TO, I LIKE TO KNOW
00:19:17>> I APPRECIATE YOUR CALL. THANKS, CHRIS. IN LITTLETON, COLORADO. HEY, CHRIS, WHAT'S ON
00:19:19YOUR MIND TODAY YEAH. GOOD
00:19:22MORNING. TOM. UM, THERE ARE TWO
00:19:25THINGS. UM, NUMBER ONE. UM,
00:19:29WELL, TRUMP JUST PUT 50% TARIFF
00:19:32ON CANADA. SO, UH, TARIFF TAXES
00:19:34PAID BY YOU, THE CONSUMER, ARE
00:19:36GIVEN TO THE BILLIONAIRES. IT'S
00:19:39THE BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY. WELL, AND
00:19:42HE'S INCLUDING PARTNERS. HE'S INCLUDING CARS, BY THE WAY. AND SO A LOT OF THE CARS THAT ARE
00:19:46SOLD IN AMERICA ARE ACTUALLY
00:19:49MADE IN CANADA. YEAH. AND TRADING PARTNERS PAY THE
00:19:52TARIFFS, YOU KNOW, 20, 30, 50%
00:19:54EXTRA INTO THE TREASURY AT THE BORDER. THEN THEY RAISE THE
00:19:57PRICE ON THE CONSUMERS, 20 OR 30
00:20:02OR 50%. AND THE CONSUMERS PAY FOR THE TARIFF COST WHEN THEY
00:20:06BUY THE PRODUCT. MHM. AND, UH,
00:20:08BY, UH, BY TAX BREAKS. TRUMP
00:20:11GIVES AWAY THE TREASURY TO THE
00:20:14BILLIONAIRES. MHM. BYE BYE. AND,
00:20:17UH. OKAY. NOW, ALSO, THE IRAN
00:20:21SANCTIONS. THAT'S NUMBER TWO, IRAN SANCTIONS RAISED THE PRICE
00:20:24OF GAS, DOUBLE OR TRIPLE. WELL,
00:20:27I RAN IN THE. IT'S. IT HASN'T
00:20:30TRIPLED. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS WHEN
00:20:33BIDEN LEFT OFFICE. OKAY. I RAN
00:20:36IN THE OIL COMPANIES ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK
00:20:40WITH THEIR BIG PROFITS. AND THE
00:20:41PEOPLE PAY FOR ALL OF IT. THEY
00:20:44PAY FOR THE WAR, AND THEY PAY
00:20:46FOR THE HIGHER GAS PRICES. MHM.
00:20:50YEAH. YEAH. IT'S TRUE. THEY PAY
00:20:54FOR BOTH OF IT. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE
00:20:58PROBLEM THAT TRUMP HAS RIGHT NOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AND NOW ONE
00:21:02OF THE STORIES THAT CAME OUT THIS MORNING, UM, RAW AMERICA
00:21:05WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. I DID THEIR NEWSCAST THIS MORNING. YOU
00:21:09CAN SEE THAT AT RAW AMERICA.COM.
00:21:12UM, IS THAT THE, TRUMP WAS
00:21:16WARNED, EXPLICITLY WARNED BEFORE
00:21:18HE STARTED THIS WAR WITH, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH NETANYAHU
00:21:21AGAINST IRAN. HE WAS TOLD BY BOTH THE MILITARY AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU DO THIS,
00:21:24YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MESS. THE THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO
00:21:28CLOSE THE STRAITS OF HORMUZ. EXCUSE ME. AND THEY'RE GOING TO. AND IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA
00:21:33JACK UP OIL PRICES ALL AROUND THE WORLD. IT'S GOING TO HURT
00:21:35YOU. AND TRUMP WAS LIKE, I DON'T CARE. BIBI TELLS ME THAT
00:21:39WE CAN WIN THIS THING, AND I'M GOING TO DO IT. AND, UH, YOU
00:21:42KNOW, WE DIDN'T WIN THIS THING. CHRIS, THANKS FOR THE CALL. SPOT
00:21:46ON. GOOD, GOOD. GOOD POINTS. ALL. IT'S 20 MINUTES PAST THE
00:21:49HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN
00:21:50JUST ONE MINUTE. STAY WITH US.
00:21:53>> [MUSIC]
00:22:21[MUSIC] >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
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00:22:38ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE,
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00:22:45WITH HIS TAKE ON POLITICS,
00:22:48CULTURE AND THE NEWS OF THE DAY.
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00:23:00>> [MUSIC]
00:23:03>> ALL THIS WEEK, JOIN C-SPAN 2
00:23:05AT 6 P.M. EASTERN FOR MARATHON PROGRAMING.
00:23:08>> FIVE YEARS SHE'S BEEN WITH
00:23:10HIM SINCE HE LEFT HIS LAST TERM.
00:23:13WRIGHT. UM THAT THEY'RE
00:23:17CONCERNED. THEY CALL IT THE
00:23:18NATALIE SITUATION. AND I WOULD
00:23:21ARGUE THAT THE WORD THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID, OR THE NAME
00:23:25THEY'RE TRYING TO AVOID ISN'T SO MUCH NATALIE AS IT IS.
00:23:27RASPUTIN. UM, AND I'LL GET TO
00:23:31THAT IN JUST A SECOND. UH, BY WAY OF EXPLANATION, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHAT'S GOING ON.
00:23:35THIS, THIS WOMAN IS, UH. WELL,
00:23:41LET ME START OVER. IT'S VERY
00:23:42CLEAR THAT MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE DO NOT WANT
00:23:46NATALIE HARP TO BE AROUND DONALD TRUMP AS MUCH AS SHE IS. WHEN
00:23:50THEY WERE IN BEDMINSTER, THEY
00:23:55REFUSED TO GIVE HER A ROOM. SO SHE SLEPT IN THE IN THE LOCKER
00:23:59ROOM, APPARENTLY ON THE FLOOR.
00:24:01WHEN THEY WERE IN SCOTLAND. THEY
00:24:04REFUSED TO GIVE HER A GOLF CART, SO SHE COULDN'T HANG OUT WITH
00:24:08TRUMP. SO SHE LITERALLY RAN AND CHASED HIM ALL AROUND THE GOLF
00:24:11COURSE FROM HOLE TO HOLE. WHEN
00:24:14TRUMP WAS GOING TO HIS RAPE TRIAL, HIS RAPE AND DEFAMATION
00:24:16TRIAL IN NEW YORK CITY, SHE WANTED TO BE BY HIS SIDE. AND
00:24:20SHE WAS, BY THE WAY. BUT THEY DIDN'T. THEY THEY WOULDN'T GIVE
00:24:23HER A SEAT IN ANY OF THE
00:24:24LIMOUSINES IN HIS MOTORCADE. AND
00:24:27SO SHE HOPPED IN THE TRUNK OF ONE OF THOSE LIMOUSINES AND DROVE TO THE, DROVE TO THE
00:24:31TRIAL. AND LET'S NOT FORGET HER
00:24:34BEING IN THE FOOD SERVICE CART.
00:24:38SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE GENERALLY SPEAKING, PEOPLE IN
00:24:41THE WHITE HOUSE DON'T WORK THAT HARD TO TRY TO PREVENT SOMEBODY
00:24:43FROM HANGING OUT WITH THE PRESIDENT UNLESS THEY'RE REALLY
00:24:47WORRIED. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON. I DON'T THINK,
00:24:50YOU KNOW, THAT THAT HARP IS SOME PASSIVE LITTLE GIRL. I REALIZE
00:24:54SHE'S 35, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PRESS KEEPS TREATING HER LIKE
00:24:57SHE'S A LITTLE GIRL WITH A DADDY OBSESSION. SHE'S NOT.
00:25:00SHE'S A GROWN WOMAN. SHE'S 35
00:25:01YEARS OLD. SHE'S. SHE HAS
00:25:05STRONG OPINIONS, AND SHE HAS A
00:25:06HISTORY IN RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA
00:25:10OPERATIONS. AND NOW SHE'S CONTROLLING MUCH OF WHAT TRUMP
00:25:12SEES AND READS. AND APPARENTLY
00:25:14EVEN WRITES ON HIS NAZI INFESTED
00:25:18SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. UM, SHE WAS A HOST ON THE RIGHT WING. ONE
00:25:21AMERICA NEWS TV NETWORK. THIS IS
00:25:23THE NETWORK THAT RACHEL MADDOW DISCLOSED THAT THEY HAD A PERSON
00:25:27ON THEIR PAYROLL WHO WAS ALSO ON MOSCOW'S PAYROLL. UM, AND THEY
00:25:31SUED RACHEL FOR $10 MILLION. SHE
00:25:35WON BECAUSE IT WAS APPARENTLY TRUE. I CAN'T OFFER AN OPINION ON THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY, YOU
00:25:38KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN 2019. SHE WENT ON FOX SO-CALLED
00:25:42NEWS AND CLAIMED THAT TRUMP HAD
00:25:46SAVED HER LIFE BY SIGNING THIS RIGHT TO TRY LAW THAT ALLOWED
00:25:49EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS TO BE MORE,
00:25:51MORE LIBERALLY USED. BUT THE
00:25:54WASHINGTON POST DUG INTO THAT AND FOUND SHE HAD BONE CANCER,
00:25:58AND SHE WAS TREATED WITH A WITH
00:25:59A DRUG THAT CURED HER. BUT THE WASHINGTON POST DUG INTO IT AND
00:26:03FOUND THAT, NUMBER ONE, SHE HAD STARTED HER BONE CANCER
00:26:06TREATMENT TWO MONTHS BEFORE TRUMP SIGNED THAT, THAT, UH,
00:26:10EXECUTIVE ORDER, THAT RIGHT TO
00:26:12TRY ORDER AND THAT THE DRUG THAT SHE WAS GIVEN HAD ALREADY BEEN
00:26:15APPROVED BY THE FDA. IT WASN'T APPROVED FOR BONE CANCER. SHE GOT IT OFF LABEL, BUT THAT HAD
00:26:19NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT TO TRY LAWS. SO SHE KIND OF MADE UP
00:26:22THE STORY. APPARENTLY, ACCORDING
00:26:24TO THE WASHINGTON POST. BUT TRUMP LOVED IT. HE GOT HER TO
00:26:27SPEAK AT THE 2020 REPUBLICAN CONVENTION. SHE TOLD THE STORY
00:26:31AGAIN ABOUT HOW TRUMP SAVED HER
00:26:34LIFE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS OFF TO THE RACES. FROM THERE, SHE
00:26:36WENT TO ONE AMERICA NETWORK AND
00:26:39THEN TO TRUMP. NOW THE RASMUSSEN PART OF RASPUTIN. PART OF THIS
00:26:42IS WHAT CONCERNS ME. RASPUTIN
00:26:45WAS A PEASANT MONK WHO GOT IN
00:26:48TIGHT WITH THE ROMANOV FAMILY,
00:26:51UH, CZAR NICHOLAS II AND
00:26:54ALEXANDRA, HIS, HIS WIFE, THEY
00:26:55HAD A SON WHO WAS HEMOPHILIAC.
00:26:58HE, YOU KNOW, EASY BLEEDING. AND
00:27:02RASPUTIN APPARENTLY TALKED THEM OUT OF GIVING HIM ASPIRIN, WHICH
00:27:05WAS, WHICH WAS A GOOD IDEA.
00:27:07DON'T GIVE HIM ASPIRIN. AND SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THIS MONK HAD
00:27:11CURED OR HEALED THEIR SON OR HELPED HIM OUT. AND HE BECAME
00:27:14BASICALLY THEIR SOLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION. SO A COUPLE OF
00:27:17YEARS LATER, IN, IN, UH, YOU
00:27:20KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION HAPPENED AND THE
00:27:23REVOLUTIONARIES, THE BOLSHEVIKS, SHOWED UP AT THEIR WINTER PALACE
00:27:26TO, TO MURDER THE ENTIRE FAMILY. THEY WERE SHOCKED BECAUSE
00:27:30RASPUTIN HAD KEPT TELLING THEM, OH, THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT OFF
00:27:33AT YOU. THE PEOPLE ARE NOT REVOLTING. A DEAR FRIEND OF
00:27:37MINE, ARMIN LEHMANN. I WORKED WITH ARMIN BACK IN THE 80s. WE TRAVELED AROUND THE WORLD
00:27:41TOGETHER FOR TWO YEARS, AND
00:27:43ARMIN WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD COURIER WHO BROUGHT HITLER. THE NEWS THAT THE WAR WAS LOST. HE
00:27:47WAS IN THE HITLER YOUTH. AND,
00:27:50YOU KNOW, HE TOLD ME THAT HITLER, ON THAT DAY WAS STILL, YOU KNOW, HAD MAPS IN FRONT OF
00:27:54HIM WITH LITTLE TOY SOLDIERS ALL OVER THEM. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, HIS
00:27:57PEOPLE AROUND HIM WERE NOT TELLING HIM THAT THE WAR WAS
00:28:00LOST. ARMIN WAS THERE WHEN HITLER COMMITTED SUICIDE, WHEN
00:28:02HE KILLED HIMSELF. AND ARMIN WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. YOU CAN
00:28:06FIND IT ON AMAZON.COM. IT'S
00:28:08CALLED IN HITLER'S FÜHRERBUNKER.
00:28:11SO MY CONCERN IS THAT TRUMP IS
00:28:15GETTING THIS SAME FILTERED INFORMATION THAT CAUSED THE ROMANOV FAMILY TO NOT REALIZE
00:28:19THAT THE RUSSIANS WERE REVOLTING AGAINST THEM, AND CAUSED HITLER
00:28:22TO NOT REALIZE THAT THE WAR WAS
00:28:23LOST AND THAT THAT IS A DANGER
00:28:28NOT JUST TO DONALD TRUMP, BUT
00:28:31ALSO AND NOT JUST TO THE GOP. ALTHOUGH I THINK INCREASINGLY,
00:28:34REPUBLICANS AND PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE REALIZING IT,
00:28:37BUT IT'S ALSO A DANGER TO OUR REPUBLIC THAT TRUMP THINKS THAT
00:28:40EVERYBODY LOVES HIM. SHE'S APPARENTLY FEEDING HIM THE POLLS
00:28:43THAT THAT ACCURATELY SHOW THAT
00:28:4580% OF REPUBLICANS AND 93% OF
00:28:48MAGA REPUBLICANS STILL SAY THEY SUPPORT TRUMP. SO THAT'S ALL HE'S LOOKING AT. HE'S NOT
00:28:52LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT HIS
00:28:55GENERAL SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE MAGA FACTION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS JUST SHRUNK
00:28:59AND SHRUNK AND SHRUNK AND SHRUNK
00:29:00AND SHRUNK. AND, YOU KNOW, HIS
00:29:04ACTUAL SUPPORT IS AROUND 33%. >> [MUSIC] >> THIS IS THIS IS, I THINK,
00:29:07SOMETHING WE SHOULD ALL BE VERY
00:29:10CONCERNED ABOUT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AND APPARENTLY SUSIE WILES IS.
00:29:14>> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
00:29:16HARTMANN PROGRAM,
00:29:20>> [MUSIC] >> CALL 2028089925. >> GOT AN AMAZING, CRAZY ALERT FOR YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK, AND I'LL PICK UP YOUR
00:29:23CALLS. STAY WITH US.
00:29:31>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
00:29:42>> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH
00:29:45WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
00:29:48TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES
00:29:51JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
00:29:55IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE
00:29:59POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS
00:30:03TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW?
00:30:06TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY
00:30:10MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE
00:30:13WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
00:30:15FORD, CALLING HIM THE THE LESS
00:30:18CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO
00:30:21MAYOR ROB FORD. FORD HAD THREATENED TO CUT OFF
00:30:24ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
00:30:26CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD
00:30:28SAYS ONTARIO POWERS 1.5 MILLION
00:30:31HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE
00:30:32BORDER, AND EVERYTHING'S ON THE
00:30:35TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE
00:30:38AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK
00:30:42THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME
00:30:46MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS A GOVERNOR AND WARNED THAT THE
00:30:48CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE
00:30:51FAR WORSE. HERE'S WHAT MATTERS. OUR CLOSEST ALLY AND LONGEST
00:30:54TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER
00:30:57IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
00:30:59BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL.
00:31:01MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
00:31:05000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE
00:31:09BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
00:31:13FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
00:31:16REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
00:31:19DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:31:21B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
00:31:252016 AND 2026, AND THE WHOLE THING RUNS THROUGH. HOMELAND
00:31:28SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE
00:31:30ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
00:31:34DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND
00:31:37STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
00:31:39STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
00:31:41175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
00:31:45CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
00:31:47POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT
00:31:50WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW, PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING IT
00:31:53TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
00:31:57ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
00:31:59TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
00:32:02THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON
00:32:04CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
00:32:07GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY
00:32:11COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN
00:32:14BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
00:32:15BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
00:32:19THE REST AROUND 320 TO 380V. THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM
00:32:22ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN AND DISABLED
00:32:25PEOPLE. A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN DIED IN A
00:32:29RICHMOND, KENTUCKY, JAIL IN 2024
00:32:31AFTER BEING SHOT SHOCKED 27
00:32:34TIMES WITH THE GLOVES AND 13
00:32:35MORE TIMES WITH A TASER. TWO OF
00:32:39THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND 99 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN ROLNICK
00:32:42BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE IS, QUOTE,
00:32:44TOO QUICK TO USE FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON ON A
00:32:48FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT
00:32:50DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
00:32:52WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES
00:32:55SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS
00:32:57REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
00:33:01PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
00:33:05IMMIGRATION AND THE COST OF
00:33:07LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE
00:33:10HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
00:33:14HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF.
00:33:16JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
00:33:18SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP
00:33:22CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS. KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING,
00:33:25JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
00:33:26TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY
00:33:30CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS
00:33:34ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS
00:33:38DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
00:33:39WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
00:33:43WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER
00:33:45POLLUTION FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE
00:33:48CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
00:33:51PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES, HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
00:33:55WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
00:33:58CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND
00:34:02LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY.
00:34:06DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND
00:34:09HEAVY METALS. SOME DOZENS OF DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY
00:34:13CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY
00:34:17UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND
00:34:19DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE
00:34:23CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF
00:34:27YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE
00:34:30THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT MYSTERY ALERT, WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN
00:34:34MOSCOW AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO
00:34:38GOVERNMENTS WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY TUESDAY MORNING, A U.S. AIR
00:34:41FORCE C-17 GLOBEMASTER CALL
00:34:44SIGN. RCH4555. LIFTOFF LIFTED OFF FROM RIGA, LATVIA, AND
00:34:48TOUCHED DOWN AT VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW, JUST AFTER TEN
00:34:52IN THE MORNING LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT PLAN LISTED NO
00:34:55DESTINATION BEFORE RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE
00:34:58ANDREWS IN MARYLAND, HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS
00:35:01POSTED VIDEO OF A MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE
00:35:04KREMLIN, AND YOU GET NOTHING.
00:35:07DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN AND YOU GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE HAS NO
00:35:10INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE PLANNED THIS
00:35:14WEEK. ASK THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE, OR EITHER EMBASSY,
00:35:17AND YOU GET SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST
00:35:21POSTPONED A MOSCOW TRIP. SO WHO
00:35:22FLEW A MILITARY TRANSPORT INTO
00:35:25VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY SAY? AND
00:35:28THAT'S THE WAY IT IS TODAY.
00:35:29TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th, 2026. I'M
00:35:36TOM HARTMANN.
00:35:46>> [MUSIC] >> IN. >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE
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00:37:58Q&A THREE TIME PULITZER PRIZE
00:38:02WINNING NEW YORK TIMES PHOTOGRAPHER DOUG MILLS REFLECTS
00:38:03ON DECADES COVERING AMERICAN
00:38:08POLITICS. HE TALKS ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHING MULTIPLE PRESIDENTS, INCLUDING THE 1992 CLINTON GORE CAMPAIGN, PRESIDENT
00:38:12GEORGE W BUSH ON 9/11, AND
00:38:14CAPTURING THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP
00:38:18IN 2024, WHICH EARNED HIM HIS
00:38:21THIRD PULITZER PRIZE. >> I'VE LISTENED TO HIS SPEECH
00:38:23ON THE CAMPAIGN HUNDREDS OF TIMES, AND.
00:38:27>> EARLIER HAS SUGGESTED THAT IN CANADA, THEY EXPECT YOU TO TIP
00:38:3020%, LIKE THEY DO HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. UH, DURING THE
00:38:33BREAK, LOOKED IT UP. AND HERE'S,
00:38:37HERE'S WHAT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT
00:38:40AI PROGRAMS SAID. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. CANADIAN RESTAURANT
00:38:44WORKERS EARN THE STANDARD MINIMUM WAGE, WHICH GENERALLY
00:38:46STARTS AROUND $15 AN HOUR. THERE
00:38:51IS NO MINIMUM WAGE IN CANADA, UNLIKE THE UNITED STATES, MOST
00:38:54CANADIAN PROVINCES DO NOT HAVE A
00:38:56LOWER WAGE FOR SERVERS.
00:38:59THEREFORE, THE AVERAGE TIP ON A RESTAURANT IN CANADA IS 13%
00:39:03NATIONWIDE. THAT'S THE TRUE
00:39:05NATIONAL AVERAGE, AND FULLY A
00:39:08QUARTER OF CANADIANS, UH, SAY THAT, EXCUSE ME. ONLY A QUARTER
00:39:11OF CANADIANS SAY THAT THEY WOULD
00:39:14EVER TIP MORE THAN 18%. SO JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, YOU
00:39:17CAN LOOK IT UP YOURSELF. THE NATIONAL AVERAGE IS 13% TIP,
00:39:21WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PER MY CONVERSATION YESTERDAY. UH, AND
00:39:25IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS $3 MINIMUM
00:39:26WAGE FOR SERVERS AND THEY DON'T
00:39:30$15 MINIMUM WAGE, UH, CRAZY
00:39:33ALERT HERE. THIS, THIS IS AN AMAZING STORY. UH, YOU EVER
00:39:36HEARD OF OSCAR DE LA HOYA? HE'S A BOXER. AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW
00:39:40SPORTS, YOU DON'T FOLLOW BOXING. YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH HIM, BUT HE'S PRETTY, HE'S
00:39:43PRETTY FAMOUS GUY. HE HE WON BELTS IN SUPER FEATHERWEIGHT,
00:39:47LIGHTWEIGHT, LIGHTWEIGHT, LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT, LIGHT
00:39:50MIDDLEWEIGHT, AND MIDDLEWEIGHT CLASSES. AND HE PLAYED GOLF WITH
00:39:54TRUMP RECENTLY. AND THIS IS WHAT HE SAID. THIS IS AN INTERVIEW
00:39:58THAT HE DID. HE SAID IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE. GOLF IS A GENTLEMAN'S SPORT. YOU DON'T
00:40:02LIE ABOUT YOUR SCORE. YOU DON'T LIE ABOUT MOVING YOUR BALL. IT
00:40:05GOES TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING
00:40:08WITH HERE. UM, APPARENTLY, TRUMP MOVED HIS BALL FROM THE ROUGH
00:40:11ONTO THE FAIRWAY. AND HE ALSO SAID THE PRESIDENT, QUOTE, DOES
00:40:15NOT COUNT SHOTS THAT LAND IN THE WATER. UH, RICK REILLY WROTE AN
00:40:19ENTIRE BOOK ABOUT THIS. HE'S A
00:40:20VETERAN SPORTS WRITER ABOUT TRUMP'S HISTORY OF CHEATING IN
00:40:24GOLF. HE DESCRIBED A PATTERN OF
00:40:27BEHAVIOR HE SAW FIRSTHAND, INCLUDING CLAIMS THAT TRUMP
00:40:29DROVE A MODIFIED GOLF CART THAT
00:40:32WENT CART THAT WENT FASTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE'S ON HIS OWN GOLF COURSES. HE COULD CONTROL THIS.
00:40:35WHO GOT WHAT CARDS SO THAT HE
00:40:37COULD GET TO THE BALL BEFORE
00:40:40ANYBODY ELSE SHOWED UP, SO HE
00:40:42COULD MOVE IT. HE DOCUMENTS THIS
00:40:45IN HIS BOOK, AND, UH, HE ALSO
00:40:49SAYS THAT THAT TRUMP WOULD KICK OPPONENTS BALLS INTO SAND TRAPS
00:40:52IN HIS BOOK, REILLY RECALLED A ROUND IN LOS ANGELES WHERE TRUMP
00:40:55HIT A SHOT INTO A POND. UH, ONLY FOR THE BALL TO MAGICALLY END UP
00:40:59ON THE FAIRWAY WHEN ASKED TO. WHEN WHEN REILLY ASKED TRUMP
00:41:03WHAT HAPPENED, TRUMP SAID, MUST
00:41:04HAVE BEEN THE TIDE SO, YOU KNOW,
00:41:10THE GUY CHEATS AT GOLF. HE CHEATS ON HIS WIVES. HE CHEATS. HE CHEATS AT EVERYTHING,
00:41:14BASICALLY. SO IT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE US THAT HE'S TRYING TO
00:41:16CHEAT AT THIS ELECTION THAT'S
00:41:18COMING UP. AND NOW HE'S GOT, YOU
00:41:20KNOW, A HANDFUL OF TERRIFIED REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE
00:41:24POSSIBILITY OF DEMOCRATS TAKING
00:41:26OVER THE HOUSE OR SENATE AND DEMANDING THAT THEY COME AND
00:41:29TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS ABOUT THEIR OWN CORRUPTION, ABOUT CLARENCE THOMAS TAKING $3
00:41:33MILLION IN GIFTS FROM A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE JUST BEFORE HE
00:41:37RULED IN CITIZENS UNITED IN A WAY THAT WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT
00:41:38RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE, JOHN
00:41:41ROBERTS WIFE, TAKING $10 MILLION PLUS FROM LAW FIRMS IN
00:41:45WASHINGTON, D.C., THAT DO BUSINESS WITH THE COURT. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ANY SAM ALITO
00:41:49TAKING GIFTS FROM RIGHT WING FOUNDATIONS AND RIGHT WING
00:41:53BILLIONAIRES, THESE ARE THINGS THAT IF THEY HAD BEEN DONE BY
00:41:56ANY OTHER FEDERAL JUDGE, WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT JUDGE, NOT JUST
00:41:59KICKED OFF THE COURT, BUT IN SOME CASES, EVEN THROWN INTO
00:42:02JAIL. THIS IS JUST NAKED CORRUPTION, AND THESE GUYS ARE
00:42:05AFRAID OF IT BEING EXPOSED. THEY
00:42:08DON'T WANT DEMOCRATS TO TAKE THE HOUSE AND SENATE EITHER. SO
00:42:11I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, SHALL WE SAY. SO WHAT'S ON
00:42:14YOUR MIND TODAY? LET'S PICK UP SOME CALLS HERE. RUSS IN HICKORY
00:42:17HILL, ILLINOIS. HEY, RUSS. WHAT'S UP? THANKS FOR
00:42:20LISTENING.
00:42:22>> THANKS FOR TAKING MY ON WEST
00:42:28VIRGINIA, WYOMING, AND IDAHO. THE ONLY THREE STATES THAT HE'S
00:42:31ABOVE 50. BUT YOU TOOK MY
00:42:33THUNDER. I, YOU KNOW, THIS COURT
00:42:36SYSTEM, WHEN WE GET IN THE PRESIDENCY RIGHT AWAY. OH, NO,
00:42:39NO, HE CAN'T EVEN FLUSH A
00:42:41TOILET. I TOOK THE CALL. WE
00:42:45ARREST THEM AS TRAITORS. THEY
00:42:47SEND THEM DOWN TO GUANTANAMO ONE
00:42:51STANDS TRIAL SEPARATE. THEY MIGHT. YOU KNOW, HE SAYS IT'S A LITTLE THING. WE GOT TO SHOW THE
00:42:54DEMOCRATIC BASE. WE'RE NOT
00:42:58STAND FOR THIS OR GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER AND JUST SAY, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY,
00:43:01SUPREME COURT, I'M GOING TO GIVE STUDENT DEBT THEIR FREEDOM.
00:43:04YOU DON'T LIKE IT? TRY ME ON
00:43:10TOM AND ROBERTS IS WORRIED ABOUT
00:43:11HIS IMAGE DID, RIGHT? VOTING
00:43:17RIGHT IN TIME, HE'S GOING TO
00:43:23SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T FINGER AND
00:43:29THEN PUT HIM IN PRISON? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM
00:43:31TESTIFY BEFORE CONGRESS AS A STARTING POINT. I THINK THAT
00:43:35WOULD BE VERY, UH, BOTH ENTERTAINING AND ENLIGHTENING.
00:43:38BUT YOUR, YOUR ATTITUDE OR YOUR OPINION, RUSS, I THINK, IS ONE
00:43:40THAT IS WIDELY SHARED ACROSS THE
00:43:43DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ACROSS
00:43:45INCREASINGLY LARGE NUMBERS OF INDEPENDENTS AND EVEN A LARGE
00:43:48SECTOR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
00:43:50THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOW JOINED THINGS LIKE THE LINCOLN PROJECT
00:43:53AND, AND JUST HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW, I'M A NEVER-TRUMP
00:43:56REPUBLICAN, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE DAVID JOLLY
00:44:00BECOMING A DEMOCRAT AND THAT SORT OF THING. AND I REALLY AND
00:44:03I THINK THIS IS THIS IS WHY
00:44:07YOU'VE GOT HAKEEM JEFFRIES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY BEGGING OUR FORGIVENESS FOR
00:44:10HAVING HIS MEETINGS WITH JARED KUSHNER AND SAYING, I'M GOING TO HOLD THESE GUYS TO ACCOUNT. DON'T YOU WORRY. BECAUSE
00:44:14PEOPLE, PEOPLE WANT ACTUAL
00:44:16CHANGE. PEOPLE WANT US. REVENGE
00:44:21IS THE WRONG WORD HERE. PEOPLE WANT OUR GOVERNMENT TO WORK FOR
00:44:24US AGAIN, RATHER THAN JUST THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY AND THE
00:44:28BILLIONAIRES. >> AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF
00:44:30THESE DOCTRONIC JEFFRIES AND
00:44:33CHUCK SCHUMER ARE GOING TO BE GONE. I HEARD THAT'S WHY THEY
00:44:37DON'T WANT. >> I THINK THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE IN TROUBLE.
00:44:41>> THEY'RE GOING. >> TO NOT. NO, I GET IT RIGHT. >> THEY DON'T WANT THESE TWO.
00:44:43YEAH. THIS GUY JEFFRIES AIN'T
00:44:45WHAT WE THOUGHT HE WAS. I KNOW.
00:44:48>> MAYBE MAYBE NOT. WE'LL SEE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ODDS ARE HE
00:44:51WILL END UP SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IF. >> I'M NOT CRAZY. >> NO, NO.
00:44:54>> I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THESE GUYS. >> I GET IT, RUSS. I GOT TO MOVE
00:44:58ALONG. THANKS FOR THE CALL. STEVE. IN OKLAHOMA CITY,
00:45:01OKLAHOMA. HEY, STEVE, WHAT'S ON
00:45:05YOUR MIND TODAY? STEVE IN
00:45:10OKLAHOMA CITY. UH, STEVE IS ON LINE THREE. MATTEI. IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE,
00:45:14LET'S TRY SUSIE IN WILLITS, CALIFORNIA. HEY, SUSIE, WHAT'S
00:45:16ON YOUR MIND TODAY? ARE WE THERE
00:45:21YOU ARE, SUSIE. OKAY. HEY
00:45:29>> GUESS I HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MY HUSBAND THE OTHER NIGHT,
00:45:32AND, UH, I SAID, WHY ARE YOU A
00:45:36REPUBLICAN? HE COULDN'T ANSWER
00:45:38ME, AND I YOU DIDN'T ANSWER ME
00:45:45EITHER. >> OUCH.
00:45:47>> ALL OF HIS MALE FRIENDS THAT
00:45:49ARE UNEDUCATED. I MEAN, NOT
00:45:51COLLEGE. THEY ALL FEEL THE SAME
00:45:56WAY. >> WHICH IS. >> YOU KNOW, AND.
00:45:57>> THAT THE REPUBLICANS.
00:46:01>> WELL SO I KNOW WHEN I WENT TO
00:46:05COLLEGE, UH, MEN THAT HAD TO
00:46:08COMPETE WITH ME ACADEMICALLY
00:46:11WERE DIFFERENT THAN THE MEN THAT
00:46:15NEVER WENT TO COLLEGE. I MEAN,
00:46:17HUGE DIFFERENCE. >> MHM. >> SO IT'S KIND OF WEIRD, LIKE,
00:46:21WHY CAN'T YOU ANSWER ME? WHY ARE YOU REPUBLICAN?
00:46:24>> YEAH. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN
00:46:27YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND, >> OH, NO, NO, NO, I'M JUST
00:46:31SAYING THAT IT MALE CULTURE.
00:46:36LIKE RAPE, IS EPIC. AND, YOU
00:46:39KNOW, ALL THESE MEN ARE. THAT
00:46:44FRIENDS OF HIM. THEY. THEY NEVER HAD. >> WELL, TRUMP IS A RAPIST. SO,
00:46:46OF COURSE, OF COURSE, PEOPLE WHO ARE FOND OF RAPE CULTURE WOULD
00:46:50WOULD BE GUNG FOR TRUMP. I MEAN,
00:46:52THE GUY HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT JURIES FOUND THAT HE
00:46:55RAPED E. JEAN CARROLL, AND HE OWES HER MONEY FOR IT. SO, YOU
00:46:59KNOW, WE'VE GOT A RAPIST AS.
00:47:00>> A PRESIDENT.
00:47:04>> [MUSIC] >> OF THE MEGA MEN ARE MEN. THE
00:47:06ONES THAT, YOU KNOW, INVADED THE
00:47:10CAPITOL. THEY'RE ALL MEN. >> YEAH. NO, I GET IT. I GET IT, SUSIE. I GOT TO RUN. THERE
00:47:14ACTUALLY WERE A FEW WOMEN THERE,
00:47:16TOO. BUT I GET YOUR POINT. THANK
00:47:20YOU. >> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THOM HARTMANN. VISIT THOM HARTMANN.COM FOR AUDIO AND
00:47:24VIDEO. ARCHIVE. >> 45 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR, PICKING UP YOUR CALLS. I'LL BE
00:47:27RIGHT BACK WITH YOU.
00:47:30>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
00:47:46>> AND WELCOME BACK, MILDRED IN ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO. HEY, MILDRED. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
00:47:49TODAY?
00:47:52>> ABOUT THE ELECTION. I HAVE A
00:47:54VERY STRONG CONCERN THE
00:47:59ELECTIONS. AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW THIS, TOO. YOU MENTIONED IT MANY
00:48:02TIMES. AL GORE WON LOST AGAINST
00:48:10BUSH BY A SMALL MARGIN. HILLARY
00:48:15CLINTON WON 3 MILLION POPULAR
00:48:17VOTES AGAINST ELIAS TOLD HER NOT
00:48:23TO CONTEST PAMELA HARRIS, UH,
00:48:26LOST TO TRUMP. AND THERE WERE REPORTS REPORTING TO THAT
00:48:30CAMPAIGN THAT THERE WAS ELECTION ANOMALIES. OKAY. NOW, WHAT I'M
00:48:34GOING TO GO TO RIGHT NOW IS
00:48:53AUDIT
00:49:14SAY THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE
00:49:16LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY TO THIS
00:49:19COVER, INCLUDING TRANSNATIONAL ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATES. NOW
00:49:22I'M GOING TO JUMP TO THIEL.
00:49:27PALANTIR. >> YEAH, NO, I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE
00:49:31CONSPIRACY PANOPLY HERE.
00:49:33MILDRED. UM, I THINK THAT, AND AN AWFUL LOT OF THIS IS DRIVEN
00:49:36BY THE FACT THAT THE POLLING WAS
00:49:38SHOWING THAT TRUMP WAS GOING TO LOSE AND LOSE BAD, AND THAT, IN
00:49:42FACT, HE WON. AND HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT? WELL, THE WAY YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT IS WHAT
00:49:46GREG PAULUS WAS TALKING ABOUT YESTERDAY. THE REPUBLICANS
00:49:49KNOCKED 4.7 MILLION PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS OR REFUSED TO
00:49:52TO ALLOW THEIR VOTES TO BE COUNTED. AND THOSE WERE
00:49:56PRINCIPALLY BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE IN BIG CITIES, IN IN RED
00:49:58STATES. AND THAT WAS WHAT PROVIDED THE MARGIN OF VICTORY
00:50:02FOR DONALD TRUMP. AND THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN'T WANT TO
00:50:06JUST DROP 4.7 PEOPLE, MILLION PEOPLE, OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. HE WANTS TO KNOCK TEN, 15, 20
00:50:10MILLION PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. HIS SAFE ACT WOULD MAKE
00:50:12IT SO THAT ANY MARRIED WOMAN WHO CHANGED HER NAME, BUT, BUT HADN'T GONE BEFORE, A JUDGE
00:50:16WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO VOTE. THAT'S ABOUT 80 MILLION AMERICAN WOMEN, UM, THAT GET
00:50:20KNOCKED OFF THE VOTING ROLLS.
00:50:23UM, AND HIS POST OFFICE THING,
00:50:25WHERE HE'S GOING TO COMPARE THE NAMES OF NONCITIZENS TO THE NAMES OF VOTERS AND SAY, OH, IF
00:50:29YOU GOT THE SAME NAME, YOU MUST NOT BE A CITIZEN. UH, YOU KNOW,
00:50:33THAT'S GOING TO KNOCK MILLIONS OF PEOPLE OFF THE VOTING ROLLS. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON, MILDRED. I MEAN, YOU DON'T NEED
00:50:36ELABORATE CONSPIRACY THEORIES TO EXPLAIN THIS.
00:50:40>> WELL, I DO BELIEVE THAT
00:50:42BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE LEARNED
00:50:44ABOUT A LOT OF THE VOTING EQUIPMENT IS OWNED BY
00:50:48REPUBLICANS. >> THAT'S TRUE. YEAH. DOMINION HAS BEEN BOUGHT OUT BY A BY A
00:50:52RIGHT WING GUY. YEAH.
00:50:55>> AND IN 2004, WITH, UH, KERRY
00:50:58VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THE, UH,
00:51:01SHUNTING OF VOTES TO TENNESSEE,
00:51:05OFF TO, UH, KARL ROVE IN, UH
00:51:10>> THE OHIO COUNT WAS, WAS SHUT DOWN AT 11:00 AT NIGHT AND SENT
00:51:13OFF TO TENNESSEE. YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, ON THAT. OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE REPORTING SAYS.
00:51:17AND I'VE ALWAYS ARGUED THAT THAT
00:51:19ELECTION WAS FLAWED AND THAT AND
00:51:22THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY SKEEZY GOING ON IN OHIO. I'M
00:51:24WITH YOU ON THAT ONE, MILDRED. THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. I GOT TO
00:51:27RUN. IT'S 49 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU IN
00:51:3060s. STAY TUNED.
00:51:34>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
00:51:56[MUSIC]
00:52:01>> HEY, THANKS SO MUCH FOR SHARING OUR PROGRAM AND FOR
00:52:03REACHING OUT TO OUR STATIONS AND
00:52:06SPONSORS AND LETTING THEM KNOW THAT YOU'RE LISTENING. IT
00:52:08REALLY MEANS A LOT TO US. JODEY ARRINGTON, ONE OF THE TOP
00:52:12REPUBLICANS ON THE HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE, SAID EARLIER THIS
00:52:15MONTH. THE NATIONAL DEBT IS THE
00:52:19UNITED STATES'S NEXT GREAT WAR. HE'S TALKING ABOUT OUR $38
00:52:22TRILLION NATIONAL DEBT AND THE
00:52:25$1 TRILLION ANNUAL INTEREST PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON
00:52:28THAT DEBT. NOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF YOU ADD UP.
00:52:31>> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
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00:52:39A.M. EASTERN, MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL SMERCONISH
00:52:42PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR
00:52:47THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE
00:52:50ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORIES. AND THEN, AT THREE,
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00:53:19>> THE MOST. I'M JUST. THIS
00:53:24REPUBLICAN SUPREME THE MAIL IN
00:53:26BALLOTS AND THE DEMOCRATS JUST
00:53:30COMMUNICATE BETTER AND JUST START CALLING THESE SUPREME
00:53:33COURT JUSTICES CRIMINALS.
00:53:35THEY'RE GUILTY OF CONSPIRING
00:53:40UM, AND WE'VE HAD NOW ARE THE
00:53:48MOST RIDICULOUS ABUSES OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW I'VE EVER
00:53:52SEEN. AND THE SUPREME COURT
00:53:54JUSTICES, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR
00:53:56IT ANYWAY. AND WHEN THEY TOOK ON
00:53:58THE IMMUNITY CASE GARLAND SHOULD
00:54:02HAVE IMMEDIATELY DEMANDED THAT
00:54:09PROVIDE THE REASONING WITHIN 24 HOURS, AND THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE
00:54:12BEEN INDICTED AND GONE TO A GRAND JURY, AND IT WOULD HAVE
00:54:14TAKEN FIVE MINUTES FOR A JURY TO
00:54:16CONVICT THEM OF CONSPIRING TO
00:54:19OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT I HEAR
00:54:22THIS CASE OF PRESIDENTIAL IMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST SAD
00:54:26TO SAY, BUT IT'S BLATANTLY
00:54:27CLEAR. AND THE DEMOCRATS DON'T
00:54:30WANT TO CONFRONT THIS ISSUE HEAD
00:54:32ON THE WAY THEY NEED TO. YEAH,
00:54:34THEY ARE CRIMINALS. AND IT'S
00:54:37VERY CLEAR, AFTER ALL THESE
00:54:39CASES, THAT THEY'VE STATED
00:54:43THESE CASES, SUCH AS BIRTHRIGHT,
00:54:45CITIZENSHIP, CITIZENSHIP, JUST
00:54:49VIOLATE DISBARRED OR CHARGED FOR
00:54:54OBSTRUCTION
00:54:57>> I GET YOUR OUTRAGE, JOE. I
00:54:59WOULDN'T CALL THEM CRIMINALS. I WOULD CALL THEM CORRUPT. AND I
00:55:03REALLY THINK THAT ROBERTS,
00:55:04ALITO, AND, AND THOMAS SHOULD BE
00:55:07IMPEACHED. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE.
00:55:10>> I THINK THAT THEY ARE CRIMINALS. AND THEY. AND ROBERTS
00:55:13RECORDS SHOULD BE A GOOD CHANCE
00:55:16THAT HE WAS THREATENED OR
00:55:18THERE'S SOME BRIBERY. I THINK.
00:55:20>> I THINK HE CLEARLY LIED TO CONGRESS IN 2005, WHEN HE SAID
00:55:23HE WAS OKAY WITH THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AFTER HE HAD WRITTEN
00:55:26OVER 20 MEMOS WORKING FOR RONALD REAGAN, SAYING THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT IS A TERRIBLE THING. DON'T
00:55:29DO IT. DON'T SIGN IT, YOU KNOW, BLAH DE BLAH, DE BLAH, OR, YOU KNOW, FIGHT IT AND FIGHT IT ALL
00:55:33THE WAY. JOE, THANKS. THANKS FOR THE CALL. IT'S GOOD. GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.
00:55:37DEE IN OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA. HEY,
00:55:39D, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY
00:55:47>> REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SHOW
00:55:47AND THE INFORMATION LITTLE BIT
00:55:51ABOUT A COMMENT YOU MADE EARLIER ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS TAKING
00:55:55ON THE NAME OF THOSE WHO OWN
00:55:57THEM. ASK THAT YOU AND YOUR
00:56:03LISTENERS, AND ALL OF US, UM,
00:56:06CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE. DO NOT USE THAT LANGUAGE. I DON'T BELIEVE
00:56:09THAT WHEN YOU KIDNAP. >> SOMEONE, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW SAID AT THE TIME.
00:56:11>> D AND THE SUPREME COURT.
00:56:16RULED THAT IN. >> WRIGHT IN 1856, WHO MADE THAT? DRED SCOTT? >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE PEOPLE WHO
00:56:19WANTED TO ENSLAVE MADE THE LAW
00:56:22ENSLAVING LAW. RIGHT. BUT WE SEE NOW, TODAY, LAW IS ONLY AS
00:56:26EFFECTIVE WE HAVE A LAW NOW THAT
00:56:30OUR PRESIDENT AND THIS ADMINISTRATION ARE NOT
00:56:33FOLLOWING. SO JUST BECAUSE EXCUSE. BECAUSE HUMANS MAKE.
00:56:37>> THE LAW. OKAY. I'LL BE I'LL BE MORE CAREFUL WITH MY LANGUAGE IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK
00:56:40YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING THAT OUT. TOM AND MOSSY HEAD,
00:56:44FLORIDA. HEY, TOM, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HEY, TOM. YOU KNOW, FOR
00:56:47YEARS, I'VE BEEN KIND OF PICKING THE BRAINS OF THESE RIGHT
00:56:51WINGERS AROUND HERE IN THE
00:56:51PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA. AND, ME OR
00:56:58NOT. >> I REMEMBER YOU WELL, TOM.
00:57:01>> OKAY, GREAT. UH THAT LITTLE,
00:57:03UH CONVENIENCE STORE THAT'S
00:57:07TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF
00:57:08LIKE IN THERE THE OTHER DAY.
00:57:12THESE, UH, RIGHT WINGERS ARE SITTING THERE YAPPING AWAY, AND I KIND OF EASED OVER THERE AND
00:57:16GOT TALKING WITH THEM, AND THEY
00:57:20WERE DISCUSSING FAUCI, WHICH I'M VERY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND
00:57:23WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED THERE, BUT THEY WERE TELLING ME THAT, UH,
00:57:27THE WHOLE COVID THING WAS FAUCI'S FAULT. HE WENT OVER
00:57:31THERE, HE INVENTED IT, AND HE'S
00:57:34RESPONSIBLE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE'S DEATHS.
00:57:36>> YEAH. NONE OF THAT IS TRUE.
00:57:39>> YOU INFORMATION.
00:57:44>> ON THIS IS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT
00:57:46THE UNITED STATES HAD THE WORST
00:57:48OR ARGUABLY SECOND WORST. PERU, THE GUY WHO WAS RUNNING PERU, I
00:57:52THINK IT WAS FUJIMORI AT THE
00:57:54TIME. UM, ACTUALLY DENIED THAT COVID EVEN EXISTED THROUGHOUT
00:57:58THE ENTIRE PANDEMIC. PERU, I THINK, HAD THE WORST COVID DEATH
00:58:00RATE. WE HAD THE SECOND WORST IN THE WORLD. AND IT'S BECAUSE
00:58:04TRUMP BUNGLED THE WHOLE THING. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH FAUCI. FAUCI WAS, YOU KNOW, ARGUING
00:58:07THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MASKS AND WE
00:58:09SHOULD HAVE SHUTDOWNS. TRUMP HAD
00:58:12A SHUTDOWN THAT LASTED FOR A
00:58:15MONTH, FROM MARCH 15th OR MARCH 12th UNTIL APRIL 14th. I THINK IT WAS. AND WHAT HAPPENED IN
00:58:19APRIL WAS THAT THE ON THE 11th OR 12th OF APRIL, THE NEW YORK
00:58:23TIMES FRONT PAGE STORY WAS THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE MORE LIKELY TO
00:58:25DIE FROM COVID THAN WHITE PEOPLE, WHICH MAKES SENSE. BLACK
00:58:29PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO DIE FROM EVERYTHING THAN WHITE
00:58:31PEOPLE BECAUSE OF DECADES,
00:58:34CENTURIES OF DISCRIMINATION, YOU KNOW, OF POVERTY AND PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM GETTING HEALTH CARE
00:58:38AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND BUT
00:58:41ALSO, THEY WERE HAVING AND BECAUSE OF DISCRIMINATION, THEY
00:58:44HELD JOBS THAT WERE KIND OF AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN, WHERE THEY WERE MORE LIKELY TO,
00:58:47YOU KNOW, BE IN CONTACT WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD INFECT THEM, YOU KNOW, BUS
00:58:51DRIVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR WORKING IN, IN MEATPACKING
00:58:53PLANTS OR IN FACTORIES. AND SO TRUMP IS LOOKING TO PIN THE
00:58:57BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE, AND HE'S TRYING TO BLAME IT ON
00:58:59FAUCI. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT WINGERS ARE GOING ALONG
00:59:02WITH IT. ANTHONY FAUCI WAS THE HERO OF THIS. HE WAS NOT THE
00:59:06GOAT. AND THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE LEARNED THAT BLACK PEOPLE WERE MORE
00:59:10LIKELY TO DIE. THAT WAS WHEN HE ENDED THE THE SHUTDOWNS AND
00:59:13SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH EVERYBODY BACK INTO THE MARKET, INTO THE WORKPLACE, BECAUSE
00:59:17IT'S GOING TO BE MOSTLY BLACK PEOPLE DYING. IT WAS JUST A PURE
00:59:20RACIST PLAY. THANKS A LOT FOR
00:59:22THE CALL, TOM. 57 MINUTES PAST .
00:59:27>> [MUSIC]
00:59:27>> YOU'RE LISTENING TO TOM
00:59:31HARTMAN.
00:59:57>> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE
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01:00:45THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL,
01:00:47COMPELLING, AND MEMORABLE
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01:00:53CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY, SCRUTINIZED
01:00:56IMPORTANT ISSUES, AND CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY.
01:00:59WEDNESDAY. A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION, AND
01:01:03ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN
01:01:06SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR SOME OF
01:01:10THIS YEAR'S MOST WATCHED, MOST
01:01:12TALKED ABOUT, AND MOST MEMORABLE
01:01:14C-SPAN PROGRAMING THAT CAPTURED PUBLIC ATTENTION. AND ON FRIDAY,
01:01:18SUPREME COURT JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES, THE
01:01:21CONSTITUTION, THE COURT, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THE
01:01:24NATION'S HIGHEST COURT. WATCH A MARATHON OF COMPELLING
01:01:28PROGRAMING. ALL THIS WEEK ON
01:01:32C-SPAN, TWO.
01:01:37>> WE LOOK BACK ON WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT
01:01:41MAKES YOU THE HAPPIEST OF WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR. >> THIS INTERVIEW IS THE
01:01:44ABSOLUTE APEX. >> LEADERS SEEM TO LIKE TO WEAR
01:01:48WIGS. HOW COME HE DIDN'T HAVE A WIG? PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID, I MADE A MISTAKE THE FIRST TIME. I
01:01:51SHOULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO YOU THE FIRST TIME. >> THAT ISN'T WHAT HE SAID.
01:01:55>> YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED A
01:01:56TIME TO KILL. HOW MANY PUBLISHERS.
01:02:00>> AND TELEVISION AUDIENCE WILL JOIN US IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
01:02:02SIX MINUTES? UH, MARY TRUMP IS
01:02:04GOING TO BE WITH US, IN FACT, IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES. YOU KNOW,
01:02:08WHEN THE OFFICIAL BEGINNING OF THE SHOW BEGINS, UH, NORMALLY
01:02:12RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A NEWSCAST, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ON C-SPAN,
01:02:15THIS WHOLE THIS WHOLE WEEK, I JUST WANTED TO SAY HI TO THE
01:02:18AUDIENCE AND LET YOU KNOW THAT,
01:02:21UM, TRUMP, YOU KNOW, IN MY, IN MY FIRST HOUR, I WAS TALKING
01:02:25ABOUT NATALIE HARP AND I WROTE
01:02:27THIS OP ED, YOU CAN FIND IT OVER HARTMAN REPORT.COM. IT'S ALSO
01:02:30OVER AT THE TOP OF DAILYKOS
01:02:31RIGHT NOW. UM, THAT IN MY MIND,
01:02:34NATALIE HARP IS A DANGER TO
01:02:38TRUMP AND TO OUR REPUBLIC BECAUSE OF HER INFLUENCE OVER
01:02:42TRUMP, BECAUSE SHE'S, SHE'S BASICALLY THE FILTER THROUGH
01:02:46WHICH EVERYTHING RUNS. AND SHE USED TO BE A RIGHT WING
01:02:49PROPAGANDIST ON ONE AMERICAN
01:02:52NEWS. AND, UH, AND HAS BEEN ON FOX AND STUFF. I MEAN, SHE'S,
01:02:55SHE'S JUST DEEPLY EMBEDDED IN THIS RIGHT WING SPHERE. SHE WAS
01:02:58RAISED BY A FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN MOTHER AND FATHER. HER
01:03:02FATHER COMMITTED SUICIDE. IT'S
01:03:03JUST A WHOLE WEIRD STORY. HER
01:03:06BROTHER ALSO LOVES DICTATORS. HE'S A SANDINISTA. HE'S GONE
01:03:09TO THE LEFT FOR DICTATORS. SHE'S GONE TO THE RIGHT FOR DICTATORS. BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU
01:03:12KNOW, IT'S JUST WEIRD. AND
01:03:16SHE'S FEEDING HIM INFORMATION THAT'S JUST NOT THERE. I MEAN,
01:03:19YES, DONALD TRUMP DOES HAVE A
01:03:2292% APPROVAL RATING WITH
01:03:24REPUBLICANS WHO CALL THEMSELVES MAGGOTS. AND, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS
01:03:28OF THE MAGA MOVEMENT. AND HE'S
01:03:31GOT A ROUGHLY 80% APPROVAL RATING AMONG REPUBLICANS MORE
01:03:34GENERALLY, WHICH HAS BEEN
01:03:36DECLINING. BUT IT'S STILL QUITE
01:03:39SUBSTANTIAL. WHAT. AND THAT'S APPARENTLY WHAT WHAT SHE'S
01:03:43FEEDING HIM, WHAT HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE'S A
01:03:47LARGER PICTURE HERE THAT INDEPENDENTS HAVE JUST FLED HIM,
01:03:50THAT THE REPUBLICAN ELECTORATE
01:03:54IS SHRINKING THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED REPUBLICANS, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL A
01:03:57POLLSTER THAT THEY IDENTIFY AS
01:04:01REPUBLICANS HAS COLLAPSED. AND THAT DEMOCRATS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT
01:04:05VOTING. AND ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GOING TO ADD UP TO A REAL MESS.
01:04:09BUT HERE'S HERE'S TRUMP IN
01:04:12ONLY THREE STATES. DOES HE HAVE MORE THAN 50% SUPPORT? IDAHO,
01:04:14WEST VIRGINIA, AND WYOMING, EVERYWHERE ELSE, HE'S
01:04:18UNDERWATER. AND SO WHAT DOES TRUMP POST OVER ON HIS NAZI
01:04:20INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THIS MORNING THE RADICAL LEFT
01:04:23DEMOCRATS ARE GOING CRAZY WITH
01:04:25FAKE POLLS. ACTUALLY, THIS WAS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. MY
01:04:29APOLOGIES. HE SAYS. THEY'RE PUTTING THEM OUT AT LEVELS NEVER
01:04:31SEEN BEFORE. THEY'RE CALLED
01:04:34DEMORALIZATION OPERATIONS, WHERE THEY TRY TO DEMORALIZE REPUBLICANS SO THEY WON'T GO
01:04:37OUT AND VOTE. BUT THE ACTUAL POLLS ARE TREMENDOUS. AND THE
01:04:41SPIRIT IN OUR COUNTRY HAS NEVER
01:04:42BEEN HIGHER. SEE THIS? THIS IS
01:04:47THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, CONCERN. OH, AND HE ADDS, WE'RE
01:04:51WINNING AGAINST EVERYONE, INCLUDING IRAN, WHOSE COUNTRY IS
01:04:53IN AN ECONOMIC AND MILITARY DEATH SPIRAL. WELL, WE'RE NOT
01:04:57WINNING AGAINST IRAN. AND, YOU
01:04:59KNOW, TRUMP IS NOT, YOU KNOW,
01:05:03BELOVED ACROSS, ACROSS, ACROSS
01:05:06THE THE UNIVERSE. I MEAN, THE SIMPLE REALITY IS THAT, EVEN
01:05:10EVEN REPUBLICANS ARE TURNING
01:05:11AGAINST HIM. AND IT'S. THIS IS
01:05:17CONCERNING. YOU KNOW, I TOLD THE STORY IN THE IN THE FIRST HOUR,
01:05:19AND I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING
01:05:22THAT THERE WAS THIS GUY NAMED RASPUTIN. HE WAS THIS KIND OF MAD MONK, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK AT
01:05:26THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 20th CENTURY, WHO WAS, WHO
01:05:29CONVINCED THE ROMANOV FAMILY, WHOSE FAMILY HAD RULED RUSSIA
01:05:33FOR THREE CENTURIES AT THAT POINT, CONVINCED THIS FAMILY,
01:05:37UH, CZAR ALEXANDER AND, AND CZAR
01:05:41NICHOLAS. AND TSARINA ALEXANDRA.
01:05:44UM, THAT HE COULD HEAL THEIR
01:05:47HEMOPHILIAC SON. AND APPARENTLY, WHAT HE DID WAS HE GOT THEM TO
01:05:50STOP GIVING THEIR KID ASPIRIN.
01:05:52BUT, UM, HE ALSO BECAME THE FILTER THROUGH WHICH THEY GOT
01:05:56ALL THEIR NEWS AND ALL THEIR INFORMATION. AND SO THE TWO
01:06:00YEARS LEADING UP TO THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION, WHEN THERE WAS
01:06:02MASSIVE AND GROWING DISCONTENT AND A HUGE AND GROWING BOLSHEVIK
01:06:06MOVEMENT, IT WAS THE BOLSHEVIKS WHO ULTIMATELY SHOWED UP AT THE
01:06:10WINTER PALACE AND MURDERED THE
01:06:13FAMILY THAT THEY HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS COMING, BECAUSE
01:06:16RASPUTIN WAS TELLING THEM, EVERYTHING'S GOOD, EVERYBODY
01:06:20LOVES YOU. HE WAS TELLING THEM WHAT THEY WANTED TO HEAR RATHER
01:06:22THAN WHAT WAS REAL. AND HITLER.
01:06:25SAME DEAL AS AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE, ARMIN LIMAN. HE WROTE A
01:06:29BOOK ABOUT. IT WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD COURIER WHO BROUGHT THE NEWS
01:06:32TO HITLER IN THE FÜHRERBUNKER,
01:06:37UNDERNEATH THE BALLROOM, THAT HITLER HAD BUILT THE NEW REICH CHANCELLERY WAS WAS CALLED. IT
01:06:39WAS A HUGE BALLROOM, AND HE HAD BUILT THIS BUNKER COMPLEX
01:06:42UNDERNEATH IT IN BERLIN. AND ARMIN BROUGHT HIM THE NEWS THAT
01:06:45THE WAR WAS LOST. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, I MEAN, HE, HE
01:06:49COMMITTED SUICIDE A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER. AND ARMIN WAS THERE.
01:06:52AND ARMIN WAS 16 YEARS OLD AT
01:06:54THE TIME. I USED TO TRAVEL ALL. ARMIN AND I TRAVELED ALL OVER
01:06:58THE WORLD TOGETHER. BACK IN THE
01:06:5980s. AND AGAIN, HITLER HAD
01:07:04SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH SYCOPHANTS WHO WERE TELLING HIM WHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR, THAT
01:07:07EVERYTHING'S FINE, YOU KNOW, MEIN FÜHRER, IT'S ALL GOOD.
01:07:10WHEN IN FACT, IT WASN'T. AND
01:07:14I'M. I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WHAT WE'RE WATCHING RIGHT NOW
01:07:18IS THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT DONALD TRUMP MIGHT MAKE
01:07:22SOME REALLY, REALLY BAD DECISIONS BASED ON THIS
01:07:24INFORMATION OR MISINFORMATION
01:07:26OR, OR HIGHLY STILTED OR
01:07:29NARROWLY CIRCUMSCRIBED INFORMATION THAT NATALIE HARP IS
01:07:33FEEDING TO CHANGE STARTS WITH
01:07:35YOU. SO, UH, I, I THINK THE WORD THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING
01:07:39ABOUT THE NATALIE PROBLEM. I THINK WHAT THEY'RE REALLY
01:07:43AFRAID TO SAY IS THE WORD RASPUTIN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY.
01:07:47>> GOING.
01:07:47>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
01:07:58>> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> HEY, WELCOME TO THE SECOND HOUR OF OUR PROGRAM. ON THE LINE
01:08:02WITH US, ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO
01:08:04FOR WHOM I HAVE EXTRAORDINARY
01:08:07RESPECT, MARY TRUMP, A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, PHD IN CLINICAL
01:08:11PSYCHOLOGY, THE AUTHOR OF THREE BOOKS, INCLUDING THE INTERNATIONAL BESTSELLER TOO
01:08:14MUCH AND NEVER ENOUGH HOW MY FAMILY CREATED THE WORLD'S MOST
01:08:18DANGEROUS MAN. SHE HAS A GREAT SUBSTACK NEWSLETTER. IT'S CALLED THE GOOD IN US. YOU CAN FIND IT
01:08:21AT MARY TRUMP.ORG, AND IT'S MARY
01:08:25L TRUMP OVER ON BLUE SKY. MARY, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.
01:08:28IT'S SO NICE TO HAVE YOU AGAIN. >> IT'S ALWAYS WONDERFUL TO BE
01:08:32WITH YOU, TOM, EVEN UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
01:08:34>> INDEED, INDEED, I WAS TALKING A LITTLE EARLIER ABOUT MY
01:08:38CONCERN THAT, UH, NATALIE HARP
01:08:40IS, IS PLAYING KIND OF THE ROLE
01:08:42OF RASPUTIN OR HITLER'S COURTIER
01:08:45COURTIERS. YOU KNOW, THE GIVING DONALD WHAT HE WANTS TO HEAR
01:08:48RATHER THAN WHAT HE NEEDS TO HEAR. AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW,
01:08:52THIS LATEST POLLING IS REALLY IN
01:08:55THE CRAPPER FOR HIM. UM, YOU KNOW HIM REALLY, REALLY WELL.
01:08:59PLUS, YOU HAVE THE INSIGHTS THAT COME WITH HAVING A PHD IN
01:09:03CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY AND HAVING BEEN IN PRACTICE, HOW DO YOU,
01:09:06HOW DO YOU THINK THAT, HOW
01:09:08DESPERATE DO YOU THINK HE MIGHT BE? AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ELECTIONS
01:09:12OR ANYTHING ELSE HERE. AND WHAT
01:09:15MIGHT HE DO? UH, OUT OF THAT
01:09:19DESPERATION? >> YEAH, IT IS, UM, REALLY,
01:09:23REALLY ALL GOING SOUTH FOR HIM.
01:09:31AND WE'RE SEEING INCREASINGLY, HE'S FLAILING. HE'S DESPERATE
01:09:33BECAUSE AS MUCH AS HE'S SURROUNDED BY THE MOST
01:09:36SYCOPHANTIC SYCOPHANTS LIKE NATALIE HARP, STEPHEN MILLER,
01:09:40WELL, THEY'RE ALL OF THEM AT THIS POINT. LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE HAVE TO SINGLE ANYBODY OUT.
01:09:44ALTHOUGH, OF COURSE, NATALIE HARP HAS MORE ACCESS THAN
01:09:46ANYBODY, WHICH, AS YOU POINT
01:09:48OUT, IS DEEPLY TROUBLING. UM, SO
01:09:52HE IS, IN SOME REGARDS, BEING PROTECTED FROM THE WORST
01:09:56INFORMATION THERE IS OUT THERE.
01:09:59BUT IT'S SO BAD THAT HE, EVEN
01:10:03HE WHO HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE LIFE
01:10:07PROTECTING HIS FRAGILE EGO FROM THE TRUTH OF THE FACT THAT HE'S
01:10:09A LOSER AND AN INCOMPETENT, HE
01:10:13KNOWS THAT HE'S LOSING CONTROL OF THE NARRATIVE, AND HE'S ONE
01:10:17TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT.
01:10:20TWO, TRYING TO REGAIN THE UPPER
01:10:22HAND BY USING HIS UNFATHOMABLE
01:10:25POWER AGAINST THOSE COUNTRIES
01:10:28AND INDIVIDUALS WEAKER THAN HE
01:10:30IS. AND AGAIN, PROTECT HIMSELF
01:10:33FROM WHAT WE CAN HAVE TO SAY AT
01:10:38THIS POINT ARE MISTAKES OF HIS OWN MAKING EVERY BAD THING
01:10:41THAT'S HAPPENING TO HIM RIGHT
01:10:44NOW IS DOWN TO HIM
01:10:49>> SO, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SPECULATION ABOUT
01:10:52THINGS HE MIGHT DO. APPARENTLY, THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION IN THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT USING A
01:10:56TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST
01:10:59IRAN. UM, THERE, YOU KNOW, HE
01:11:02HAS CUT OFF, UKRAINE FROM ANY KIND OF WEAPONRY THAT MIGHT
01:11:05PROTECT THEM FROM PUTIN. UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO GO?
01:11:09AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THIS WHOLE THING WHERE HE'S
01:11:11TRYING TO RIG THE ELECTION. UH,
01:11:15DO YOU THINK THAT WE MIGHT HIT A POINT WHERE DONALD TRUMP SIMPLY
01:11:17SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S IT, THE DEMOCRACY IS OVER. I'M DECLARING A STATE OF EMERGENCY.
01:11:21THIS IS THE END OF IT.
01:11:22>> YEAH. TOM. I THINK IT'S IT'S
01:11:26REALLY INTERESTING THAT WE ARE
01:11:29FINALLY AT THE POINT THAT SOME
01:11:30OF US WERE WARNING ABOUT BACK IN
01:11:362020, UH, THERE IS NOTHING DONALD WON'T DO TO PROTECT
01:11:40HIMSELF. UM, AND IT'S FUNNY, WHEN WE DID HAVE THOSE
01:11:42CONVERSATIONS, 66, VERY LONG
01:11:44YEARS AGO, YEAH, WE WERE OFTEN
01:11:48MET WITH INCREDULITY. UM, YOU KNOW, I SAID, LISTEN, IF DONALD THINKS HE'S GOING DOWN, HE'LL
01:11:51TAKE EVERYBODY WITH US. AND PEOPLE WOULD LAUGH AND SAY, YOU
01:11:55CANNOT POSSIBLY BE SERIOUS. AND HERE WE ARE, WHERE WE HAVE TO
01:11:58HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON A MUCH
01:12:03BROADER SCALE, BECAUSE IT IS HE IS NOT JUST SIGNALING. HE IS
01:12:07TELLING US WHAT HE'LL DO. AND I THINK THE SIMPLEST WAY TO
01:12:10UNDERSTAND DONALD AT THIS POINT IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NO
01:12:13SUCH WORST. HE WILL ALWAYS GET.
01:12:18HE WILL ALWAYS DO THE WORST
01:12:20THING, WHETHER THAT IS A
01:12:22TACTICAL NUCLEAR WEAPON IN IRAN,
01:12:25ABANDONING OUR ALLY UKRAINE, WHICH, QUITE FRANKLY, HE DID A
01:12:28LONG TIME AGO, OR USING THE
01:12:31POWER OF THE PRESIDENCY TO
01:12:35DECLARE MARTIAL LAW AND CANCEL AN ELECTION. HE KNOWS HIS PARTY
01:12:38IS GOING TO LOSE.
01:12:41>> AN OLD FRIEND OF MINE, I USED
01:12:43TO, UH UH, ARMIN LEMAN, WAS A
01:12:47DEAR FRIEND OF MINE BACK IN THE 80s. WE WE TRAVELED AROUND,
01:12:51AROUND THE WORLD FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS TOGETHER. WE WERE WORKING AT THAT TIME, AND, WELL, IT'S A
01:12:53WHOLE LONG STORY. BUT ANYHOW,
01:12:55ARMIN WAS THE 16 YEAR OLD HITLER YOUTH WHO DELIVERED THE NEWS TO
01:12:59HITLER THAT THE WAR WAS LOST.
01:13:01AND HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT. IN
01:13:03FACT, IT'S STILL IN PRINT. AND
01:13:06CALLED HITLER'S BUNKER. AND,
01:13:08UH, ARMIN TOLD ME THAT WHEN HITLER LEARNED THAT BASICALLY
01:13:12THE WAR WAS LOST, THAT HE
01:13:14ORDERED THE, THE GERMAN ARMY TO
01:13:18BOMB GERMANY TO, TO, TO KILL HIS OWN PEOPLE, BECAUSE HE FELT THAT
01:13:22THEY HAD FAILED HIM, NOT THAT HE
01:13:25HAD FAILED. GERMANY COULD. IS
01:13:27THERE ENOUGH OF A, A
01:13:31CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HITLER'S PSYCHOLOGICAL PROFILE AND TRUMP'S THAT WE MIGHT SEE A DAY
01:13:35WHEN TRUMP ACTUALLY JOINS WITH HIS DEAR FRIEND VLADIMIR PUTIN,
01:13:39WHO. IT APPEARS THAT EVERY TWO WEEKS SINCE HE BECAME PRESIDENT, THEY'VE HAD A. AT LEAST A ONE
01:13:43HOUR PHONE CONVERSATION. UM,
01:13:46AND, AND TURNS AGAINST AMERICA.
01:13:49>> I THINK YOU CAN ARGUE THAT
01:13:51THAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO.
01:13:53UH, ALMOST EVERY DOMESTIC AND
01:13:58NATIONAL SECURITY MOVE DONALD HAS MADE BENEFITS. PUTIN. UM, I
01:14:02DON'T WANT TO SAY RUSSIA
01:14:03BECAUSE, UH, YOU POINT OUT PUTIN DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE RUSSIAN
01:14:07PEOPLE ANY MORE THAN DONALD
01:14:08CARES ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
01:14:11DONALD IS, UM, I THINK THE EQUIVALENT OF DOING WHAT HITLER
01:14:14DID, WHICH WAS START TO DESTROY INFRASTRUCTURE. UH, HE IS
01:14:18BANKRUPTING OUR FARMERS. HE IS
01:14:22MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR AMERICANS TO AFFORD BASIC
01:14:25NECESSITIES LIKE GAS AND FOOD.
01:14:28UH, HE IS DESTROYING OUR
01:14:30ALLIANCES. UH, HE IS ENGAGING IN
01:14:37THE KINDS OF TOXIC MASCULINITY
01:14:40THAT IS DESIGNED TO UNRAVEL THE
01:14:42FABRICS, UH, FABRIC OF AN
01:14:46EVOLVED SOCIETY. EVERY SINGLE THING THIS MAN DOES IS TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE AMERICAN
01:14:50PEOPLE. IT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND TO THE
01:14:54BENEFIT OF COUNTRIES THAT USED
01:14:56TO BE OUR MOST DANGEROUS
01:15:00ENEMIES, LIKE RUSSIA, LIKE NORTH KOREA. SO, YEAH, I THINK I THINK
01:15:03HE'S WELL ON HIS WAY TO
01:15:06COMMITTING TO THE KIND OF PROJECT HITLER ASPIRED TO. >> WOW.
01:15:10>> I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WORSE THAN I HAD
01:15:14CONSIDERED WHERE. BUT IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. AND I'VE BEEN
01:15:18SPECULATING FOR YEARS THAT TRUMP WAS EITHER AFRAID OF OR IN THE
01:15:21POCKET OF PUTIN SPECIFICALLY, OR
01:15:24THE KGB OR THE FSB. MORE, MORE
01:15:27BROADLY, UM, FOR THOSE VERY
01:15:30REASONS THAT YOU JUST OUTLINED,
01:15:32HOW, HOW DO WE BEST RESPOND TO
01:15:35THIS, BOTH AS A COUNTRY AND INDIVIDUALLY? AND HOW DO WE DISCUSS THIS WITH OUR FRIENDS
01:15:39AND NEIGHBORS WHO MAY NOT BE
01:15:41PAYING CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE NEWS?
01:15:45>> WELL, THE SECOND I'LL ANSWER THE SECOND PART FIRST, TO THE
01:15:48EXTENT I CAN, BECAUSE THAT IS A
01:15:50VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION. UM, I
01:15:53THINK THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE
01:15:56COUNTRY, ONLY FRIENDS AND
01:15:58NEIGHBORS AND FAMILY CAN HAVE THE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS THAT
01:16:02NEED TO BE HAD. AND I KNOW THAT IT FEELS RISKY. I KNOW A LOT OF
01:16:06PEOPLE HAVE LOST FAMILY AND
01:16:07FRIENDS BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP'S INVOLVEMENT IN
01:16:11POLITICS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW,
01:16:12SORT OF AN ANCILLARY, UH, KNOCK
01:16:15ON EFFECT OF PUTTING SOMEBODY AS
01:16:18DIVISIVE AS HE IS IN POWER. UM, BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S NOT
01:16:21ABOUT, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE
01:16:23IT LESS ABOUT POLICY AND MORE
01:16:28ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHO WE WANT TO BE. AND I THINK INSTEAD OF
01:16:31SAYING, UH, TO PEOPLE, LISTEN, HE'S DOING ALL THESE HORRIBLE THINGS AND YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT,
01:16:35WE NEED TO START PUTTING THE BALL IN THEIR COURT AND ASKING
01:16:38QUESTIONS. IS IT OKAY WITH YOU
01:16:43THAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS KILLING AMERICAN CITIZENS AND AMERICAN
01:16:45STREETS? IS IT OKAY THAT THEY
01:16:48ARE MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES? I
01:16:52MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST
01:16:53OF QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ASKED THAT ASK THE ONES THAT RESONATE
01:16:57THE MOST WITH THE PERSON YOU'RE
01:17:00TRYING TO, UH, HAVE THAT
01:17:02CONVERSATION WITH, RIGHT. UM, AS
01:17:05TO THE OTHER PART, WHAT, WHAT
01:17:07CAN WE AS A COUNTRY DO? THE MOST
01:17:12OBVIOUS BASIC THING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN NOVEMBER, THE
01:17:15AMERICAN PEOPLE MAKE IT AS CLEAR
01:17:18AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE THAT THIS
01:17:20REGIME IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE REJECT, WE REJECT, EXCUSE ME,
01:17:23THE KINDS OF FASCISM AND
01:17:27CORRUPTION AND, UM, ANTI
01:17:31DEMOCRATIC, SMALL D DEMOCRATIC, UH, HOSTILITIES. THIS REGIME
01:17:35REPRESENTS. WE REJECT ALL OF
01:17:37THESE THINGS ENTIRELY AND WHOLESALE. AND WE WILL PUT INTO
01:17:41POWER THE KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, HOW
01:17:45IMPORTANT ACCOUNTABILITY IS, AND
01:17:47THAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA HAS TO EXPEND MUCH OF
01:17:51ITS EFFORTS GOING FORWARD,
01:17:54STRENGTHENING OUR ALLIANCES. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, MAKING UP
01:17:58FOR ALL OF THE HORRIFIC THINGS THE TRUMP REGIME AND THE
01:18:02REPUBLICAN PARTY HAVE BEEN
01:18:04ALLOWED TO DO TO OUR TO OUR COUNTRY, AND TO OUR ALLIES.
01:18:07>> YEAH, WE REALLY NEED TO BE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION IN THAT
01:18:11CONTEXT. AND BY THE WAY, WE IN
01:18:13ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN A MINUTE AND A HALF, I'M GOING TO
01:18:16HIT A HARD BREAK THAT I CAN'T STOP HERE. SO THIS IS TIME TO
01:18:19KEEP IT TIGHT. UM, I'M CURIOUS
01:18:23YOUR THOUGHTS ON JOHN ROBERTS, SAM ALITO, CLARENCE THOMAS GOING
01:18:27ALONG WITH TRUMP'S, UH, MAIL-IN
01:18:31VOTING PURGE, BECAUSE THEY'RE TERRIFIED, YOU KNOW, SHELDON
01:18:34WHITEHOUSE ON THIS PROGRAM CAME OUT AND >> SAID, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO
01:18:36DRAG HIM IN FRONT OF CONGRESS, THAT THEIR OWN CORRUPTION WILL
01:18:40BE EXPOSED. I'M CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
01:18:43>> YEAH. >> JOHN ROBERTS HAS SO MUCH TO
01:18:46ANSWER FOR, STARTING WITH CITIZENS UNITED, THIS CORRUPT, ILLEGITIMATE SUPERMAJORITY OF
01:18:50THE SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO BE HAULED IN FRONT OF CONGRESS.
01:18:54ALITO, THOMAS, AND ROBERTS ALL NEED TO IMPEACHED, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
01:18:57>> YEAH, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A GROWING SENTIMENT TO
01:19:00THAT EFFECT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE HOW ALL THIS PLAYS OUT. I
01:19:04THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, MY
01:19:08SENSE OF IT, AND I'D LOVE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS. WE STILL HAVE
01:19:11ABOUT 40s IS THAT WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF EITHER A GREAT
01:19:15PROGRESSIVE REVIVAL OR, YOU
01:19:17KNOW, TURNING IT INTO A TOTAL
01:19:20FASCIST COUNTRY. YOUR THOUGHTS? >> THOSE ARE THE OPTIONS RIGHT
01:19:23NOW. AND I KEEP I TELL PEOPLE
01:19:25WHENEVER I CAN, IT IS OFTEN IN
01:19:28THE DARKEST MOMENTS IN OUR HISTORY THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE
01:19:31THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. SO LET'S LOOK AT IT
01:19:34THAT WAY. LET'S PICK THE FIRST
01:19:36OPTION, PLEASE. AND THE ONLY WAY WE DO THAT IS TO GET THESE
01:19:40CORRUPT FASCISTS OUT OF POWER. >> THAT'S TRUE. AND IT HAPPENS
01:19:44ABOUT EVERY 80 YEARS. THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, YOU KNOW, AND 80 YEARS LATER, THE CIVIL
01:19:48WAR, 80 YEARS AFTER THAT, THE REPUBLICAN GREAT DEPRESSION, AND NOW WE'RE 80 YEARS OUT FROM THE
01:19:51END OF WORLD WAR TWO. IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE HISTORY IS TRYING TO
01:19:55TAP US ON THE SHOULDER OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MARY TRUMP,
01:19:59THE BRILLIANT MARY TRUMP. MARY, THANKS. THANKS SO MUCH FOR DROPPING BY. IT'S ALWAYS GREAT
01:20:03TALKING WITH YOU. AND I ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING. THANK YOU. >> [MUSIC]
01:20:07>> IT'S GREAT HAVING YOU WITH US. >> THANK YOU. >> JOHN. SURE ENOUGH, 18 MINUTES
01:20:11PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF THE DAY
01:20:13AND YOUR CALLS RIGHT AFTER THIS. STICK AROUND.
01:20:17>> [MUSIC]
01:20:26>> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> THERE'S ALSO THE MARY TRUMP
01:20:29YOUTUBE CHANNEL. MEDIA, MARY TRUMP MEDIA, YOUTUBE CHANNEL.
01:20:32AND OUR WEBSITE IS MARY
01:20:34TRUMP.ORG.
01:20:39>> [MUSIC]
01:20:48>> AND WELCOME BACK, ROBIN. APPLE VALLEY, CALIFORNIA. HEY
01:20:52ROB, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> HEY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE
01:20:55TO REVISIT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RASPUTIN. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU
01:20:59KNOW, BECAUSE, MAN, THERE'S JUST SO MUCH INFORMATION YOU GOT GOING ON. BUT AS FAR AS I
01:21:02RECALL, YOU KNOW, READING ABOUT RASPUTIN YEARS AGO, IT'S LIKE,
01:21:06UH, HE HAD THE MOST INFLUENCE
01:21:09OVER THE TSARINA. THAT COULD BE WHAT THE. YEAH, THE EQUIVALENT
01:21:12OVER, LIKE THE FIRST LADY, IF YOU WILL, AND STUFF, YOU KNOW,
01:21:15AND WE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, THAT WAS A WHOLE 'NOTHER THING. BUT ONE
01:21:19OTHER THING THAT STRUCK ME ABOUT THIS WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT
01:21:21THIS WAS THE NAME, UH, HOW
01:21:24RASPUTIN GOT HIS NAME RIGHT. AND WHILE I WAS ON HOLD, I GOT THIS
01:21:27BOOK OUT, RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND IT SAYS RASPUTIN'S LAST NAME
01:21:31COMES FROM A SHAMEFUL WORD,
01:21:33RASPUTINA. RASPUTIN AND IT'S
01:21:36LIKE THE NAME RASPUTIN COMES FROM THE COMMON NOUN, RASPUTIN.
01:21:40AN IMMORAL, GOOD FOR NOTHING PERSON. AND THEN THERE'S A RUSSIAN NAME, RIGHT? >> OH, REALLY?
01:21:44>> ANYWAYS WAS THINKING ABOUT
01:21:45THIS. YEAH, THIS IS IN A BOOK
01:21:48CALLED THE RASPUTIN FILE BY
01:21:50EDWARD RADZINSKY. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S PRETTY INTERESTING. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T READ IT FOR
01:21:54MANY YEARS. I SHOULD REVISIT IT. YOU KNOW, SEEING RASPUTIN'S
01:21:58NAMES COMING BACK UP. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT ABOUT
01:22:01THIS, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN I WAS READING ABOUT THIS 15 YEARS AGO,
01:22:04WHENEVER IT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOU
01:22:07TAKE THE RA RASPUTIN, AND WHAT
01:22:12AND A MORAL CHARACTER THAT IS LIKE DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, OR
01:22:15THAT. >> RASPUTIN. WOW. YEAH.
01:22:18>> SO I, I JUST THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT AT YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER
01:22:21CALLED YOU, YOU KNOW, BUT I THOUGHT, UH, THAT'S VERY
01:22:25INTERESTED IN THAT. >> YEAH. YOU PUT AN S IN FRONT
01:22:28OF VLADIMIR'S NAME, AND HE BECOMES RASPUTIN. THAT'S AMAZING. >> OH, YEAH.
01:22:32>> THANK YOU. ROB. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU KNOW. >> I LEARNED SOMETHING EVERY DAY
01:22:35FROM MY LISTENERS. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ROB. >> I HOPE TO CALL YOU AGAIN
01:22:39SOMETIME. YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANKS. LORI IN OCALA, FLORIDA. HEY,
01:22:42LORI, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY
01:22:47>> HEY, TOM. UH, I'M CONVINCED THAT THE INTENT.
01:22:48>> OF THIS ADMINISTRATION IS TO
01:22:51PUT A SIPHON UNDER THE LOWER 90%
01:22:54AND ENACT POLICIES AND SCHEMES
01:22:56TO DRAIN THE WEALTH OF THE
01:22:59ACCOUNTS OF THE NON UBER
01:23:01WEALTHY. AND I THINK THAT THAT
01:23:05HAS BEEN AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
01:23:06THEY, OF COURSE, ARE ASSISTED BY
01:23:10RUSSELL VOUGHT, WHO HELPED GET RID OF A LOT OF THE CIVIL
01:23:12SERVICE. AND, UH, AND OF COURSE,
01:23:14STEPHEN MILLER, WHO WAS THE
01:23:17EXPORTER IN CHIEF. AND I SAY,
01:23:20HOW DO WE DO, HOW DO WE CONVEY
01:23:24TO OUR NEIGHBORS, TO OUR FRIENDS, TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
01:23:27CLOSE, EVEN PEOPLE THAT WE MEET
01:23:28IN STORES AND LIBRARIES? I SAY,
01:23:31BASED ON THE THEY REFER TO THE
01:23:34BRITISH, UH, CORRUPT POLICE AS
01:23:36BENT COPPERS WE, ONCE WE START
01:23:42TALKING ABOUT BENT COPPERS, YOU CAN EASILY MAKE YOU KNOW, KIND
01:23:45OF LIKE OUR BENT POLITICIANS AND
01:23:50MEAN, WHY WHY TAKE SNAP AWAY FROM KIDS? I MEAN, WHAT FOR?
01:23:53THOSE TAXES? FOR THE WEALTHY? YEAH. YOU CAN PUT EVERYTHING
01:23:56INTO REAL SIMPLE TERMS AND NOT
01:24:00MAKE NOT HAVE A NAME LIKE TRUMP OR ANYBODY ELSE'S NAME. JUST
01:24:04SAY SIMPLY HOSPITALS. HOW COME
01:24:08THEY HAVE CANCER AND DON'T HAVE ANY ASSISTANCE? LITTLE THINGS
01:24:11LIKE THAT. AND ANYBODY CAN DO IT
01:24:13IF THEY JUST SIMPLIFY MORAL
01:24:17STORY. >> YEAH, I GET IT. I THINK, THOUGH, THAT WE CAN JUST USE THE
01:24:20WORD CORRUPT AND I MEAN
01:24:23CORRUPTION. UH, ALEXEI NAVALNY RAN THE ANTI-CORRUPTION
01:24:27FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, THAT MADE HIM POPULAR. >> WE COULD.
01:24:30>> DO THAT. ZELENSKY CAMPAIGNED AGAINST CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE.
01:24:32HE USED THE WORD CORRUPTION. I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THOUGH,
01:24:36LORI. AND I THINK WE NEED TO WE NEED TO PUT AN ADJECTIVE IN
01:24:39FRONT OF IN FRONT OF REPUBLICAN WHENEVER WE'RE DISCUSSING THESE
01:24:43PEOPLE. LORI. THANK YOU. WELL SAID, WELL SAID. THANK YOU. 22.5
01:24:46MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. WE'LL BE
01:24:49RIGHT BACK.
01:24:53>> [MUSIC]
01:25:04>> THE COMMONWEALTH'S REPORT IS JOURNALISM THAT WORKS FOR YOU, NOT CORPORATIONS, NOT
01:25:07BILLIONAIRES. NEWS FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. TWICE
01:25:10A DAY, WE BREAK DOWN WHAT MATTERS TO YOUR.
01:25:14>> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
01:25:17SIMULCAST FEATURING VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN POLITICS AT 9
01:25:20A.M. EASTERN. MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE MICHAEL SMERCONISH PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES
01:25:24OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT
01:25:26NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM
01:25:29HARTMANN PROGRAM. >> WITH THEM. THEY'VE BEEN
01:25:33AROUND FOR, GEEZ, I DON'T KNOW, MOST OF MY LIFETIME, IT SEEMS. I
01:25:37THINK THEY CAME ABOUT MOSTLY IN THE MAYBE THE 90s. 80s AND 90s.
01:25:41UM, THESE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE GAY, UH, YOU KNOW, GAY OR
01:25:45LESBIAN OR TRANS OR BI. AND
01:25:48HISTORICALLY, IT'S BEEN A KIND
01:25:50OF A SAFE PLACE FOR QUEER
01:25:53REPUBLICANS. UH, I REALIZE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY BUT, UH,
01:25:57YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A SAFE
01:26:00PLACE. AND THEY JUST, THEIR,
01:26:05THEIR BOARD OF DIRECTORS JUST ANNOUNCED IN AN OP ED THAT THEY
01:26:07ARE GOING TO ABANDON THE TRANS
01:26:13PEOPLE. AND NUMBER ONE, I THINK
01:26:16THIS IS TRAGIC. I MEAN, TRANS
01:26:18PEOPLE ARE THE MOST, UH, OR ONE OF THE MOST VULNERABLE
01:26:22MINORITIES IN AMERICA. THE FIRST
01:26:26PEOPLE THAT HITLER WENT AFTER,
01:26:27HE BECAME CHANCELLOR IN JANUARY
01:26:30OF 1933. AND BY MARCH, THEY HAD
01:26:35TORN. THEY HAD THEY HAD INVADED
01:26:37AND, AND BUSTED UP THE, UH, THIS INSTITUTE FOR SEXOLOGY IN
01:26:41BERLIN, WHICH WAS THE FIRST PLACE IN THE WORLD WHERE THEY
01:26:43PERFORMED TRANSSEXUAL SURGERY.
01:26:46AND OR TRANSGENDER SURGERY. AND
01:26:50THEY HAULED ALL THE BOOKS, AND THEY HAD THIS HUGE LIBRARY OF BOOKS ON SEX, AND THEY HAULED
01:26:54THEM ALL OUT INTO THE STREET AND BURNED THEM. AND THAT'S THAT FAMOUS PICTURE THAT YOU SEE OF
01:26:57THE FIRST BOOK, BURNING FROM
01:26:59MARCH OF 1933 IN GERMANY. UM, WITH THE NAZIS, YOU KNOW, FEEDING BOOKS TO THE FLAMES AND
01:27:03THINGS. THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT
01:27:05GOING AFTER TRANS PEOPLE. SO,
01:27:08YOU KNOW, PASTOR NIEMÖLLER SAID, YOU KNOW, FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS. NO, ACTUALLY,
01:27:12FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE TRANS
01:27:14PEOPLE, THE NAZIS, THE REAL
01:27:18NAZIS, AND THIS IS WHAT THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN DOING NOW FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IT
01:27:22WAS HOW THEY WON THE 24 ELECTION. WAS THAT HORRIBLE ADVERTISEMENT WHERE THEY TOOK A
01:27:2620 YEAR OLD CLIP OF KAMALA HARRIS SAYING THAT, UM, YOU
01:27:29KNOW, IN CALIFORNIA THAT THEY SHOULD ALLOW THE STATE TO PAY FOR TRANS SURGERY OF PEOPLE IN
01:27:33PRISON. AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH I
01:27:36MEAN, WE COULD DEBATE THE POLICY ALL DAY LONG, BUT BASICALLY,
01:27:40THEY, THEY CHARACTERIZED HER AS A FRIEND OF TRANS PEOPLE. AND
01:27:43THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ENOUGH
01:27:44TO TRIGGER THE BIGOT BUTTON IN
01:27:48ENOUGH INDEPENDENTS AND
01:27:51REPUBLICANS. SO I REMEMBER, UH,
01:27:54MY FRIEND LEO DICAPRIO HAD MADE
01:27:56THIS AMAZING MOVIE, UH, DJANGO,
01:28:01AND THAT HE STARS IN AND, AND
01:28:04SAMUEL L JACKSON PLAYED THE
01:28:07HOUSE SERVANT IN THAT MOVIE, YOU
01:28:09KNOW, WHO WAS OBSEQUIOUS AND
01:28:11JUST, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS DOING
01:28:15WHAT THE MASTER WANTED. AND I'M
01:28:17STARTING TO THINK THAT THE LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS ARE PLAYING
01:28:20THAT ROLE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE
01:28:23MINORITY, THE OPPRESSED MINORITY
01:28:25WHO, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD
01:28:28RATHER SUCK UP TO THEIR OPPRESSORS THAN STAND UP FOR
01:28:32THEIR OWN PEOPLE AND FOR THEMSELVES, AND ARE WILLING TO
01:28:35SACRIFICE THEIR OWN PRIDE AND
01:28:37THEIR OWN SELF-RESPECT TO DO IT.
01:28:40I JUST FIND THIS TRAGIC, YOU
01:28:42KNOW, AS, AS THE, THE, THE, THE
01:28:45PARENT OF A, OF A QUEER PERSON, AS, YOU KNOW, HAVING FRIENDS WHO
01:28:48ARE, WHO ARE QUEER. I HAVE RELATIVES WHO ARE TRANS OR A
01:28:51RELATIVE WHO IS TRANS. I THINK
01:28:53THIS IS JUST TRAGIC. AND, UH,
01:28:59MANY WELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT
01:29:01AT THAT. I WAS GOING TO QUOTE
01:29:04FROM THEIR COMMENTARY, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY UNFORTUNATE
01:29:08MOMENT FOR REPUBLICANS IN
01:29:11GENERAL. 27 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR, TRUMP IS HAVING A HISSY
01:29:14FIT. I'LL TELL YOU ABOUT THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK AND PICK UP YOUR CALLS.
01:29:17>> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
01:29:22HARTMANN PROGRAM. CALL 20208089925. >> HELPING YOU WIN THE WATER COOLER WARS. WE'LL BE BACK WITH
01:29:26THAT STORY AND YOUR CALLS. STAY
01:29:29WITH US.
01:29:41>> [MUSIC]
01:29:46>> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH
01:29:47WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
01:29:51TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE
01:29:53BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
01:29:56IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS
01:30:00FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT
01:30:03COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA
01:30:07BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW?
01:30:09TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY
01:30:12MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI
01:30:14INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
01:30:18FORD, CALLING HIM THE. THE LESS
01:30:20CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO
01:30:23MAYOR, ROB FORD. FORD HAD THREATENED TO CUT OFF
01:30:26ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
01:30:29CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD
01:30:31SAYS ONTARIO POWER'S 1.5 MILLION HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE
01:30:35BORDER, AND EVERYTHING'S ON THE
01:30:37TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT
01:30:40TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE
01:30:42AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK
01:30:45THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS A
01:30:48GOVERNOR AND WARNED THAT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE
01:30:52FAR WORSE. HERE'S WHAT MATTERS
01:30:55OUR CLOSEST ALLY AND LONGEST TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER
01:30:59IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
01:31:02BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL.
01:31:04MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
01:31:07000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS
01:31:10GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP
01:31:13TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
01:31:15FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
01:31:19REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
01:31:23DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
01:31:24B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
01:31:272016 AND 2026. AND THE WHOLE
01:31:29THING RUNS THROUGH HOMELAND SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY
01:31:32CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS
01:31:34ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
01:31:37DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
01:31:41STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
01:31:44175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
01:31:47CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
01:31:50POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW,
01:31:54PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING. IT
01:31:55TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
01:31:59ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
01:32:02TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
01:32:05THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON
01:32:07CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
01:32:10GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY
01:32:13COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
01:32:17BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
01:32:19THE REST. AROUND 320 TO 380V.
01:32:23THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN, AND
01:32:27DISABLED PEOPLE. A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN
01:32:30DIED IN A RICHMOND, KENTUCKY,
01:32:33JAIL IN 2024 AFTER BEING SHOT
01:32:35SHOCKED 27 TIMES WITH THE GLOVES
01:32:37AND 13 MORE TIMES WITH A TASER.
01:32:40TWO OF THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND
01:32:4299 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN
01:32:46ROLNICK BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE IS, QUOTE, TOO QUICK TO USE
01:32:49FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON ON A FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT
01:32:52DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
01:32:55WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT
01:32:58DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES
01:33:01REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
01:33:04PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
01:33:08IMMIGRATION IN THE COST OF
01:33:10LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE
01:33:14HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
01:33:17HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF. JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
01:33:20SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO
01:33:24SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS.
01:33:27KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING, JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
01:33:30TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE
01:33:33PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS
01:33:36ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND
01:33:39KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
01:33:42WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
01:33:44WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S
01:33:47EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER POLLUTION FROM YOUR
01:33:50NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
01:33:53PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES,
01:33:55HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
01:33:58WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S
01:33:59EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
01:34:02CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND
01:34:05LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY.
01:34:09DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND
01:34:12HEAVY METALS FROM DOZENS OF DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS
01:34:15TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP
01:34:19GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND
01:34:21DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE
01:34:25CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
01:34:27AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE
01:34:30BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S
01:34:33THE WHOLE POINT MYSTERY ALERT,
01:34:37WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN MOSCOW AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO GOVERNMENTS
01:34:40WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY TUESDAY
01:34:43MORNING, A U.S. AIR FORCE C-17
01:34:46GLOBEMASTER CALLSIGN CH4555 LIFTED, LIFTED OFF FROM RIGA,
01:34:49LATVIA, AND TOUCHED DOWN AT
01:34:52VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW. JUST AFTER TEN IN THE MORNING
01:34:55LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT PLAN LISTED NO DESTINATION BEFORE
01:34:58RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE ANDREWS IN MARYLAND, HOME
01:35:02OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS POSTED VIDEO OF A
01:35:05MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE KREMLIN, AND YOU
01:35:09GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN. YOU GET
01:35:12NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE HAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE
01:35:16PLANNED THIS WEEK. ASKED THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE OR
01:35:19EITHER EMBASSY, AND YOU GET
01:35:23SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST POSTPONED A MOSCOW TRIP. SO WHO FLEW A MILITARY
01:35:27TRANSPORT INTO VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY
01:35:30SAY? AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
01:35:32TODAY. TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th,
01:35:362026. I'M TOM HARTMANN
01:35:47>> [MUSIC]
01:35:57[MUSIC] >> DID YOU KNOW THAT EVERY WEEKDAY WE SEND OUT AN EMAIL
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01:37:04MEMORABLE MOMENTS COVERED BY C-SPAN IN 2026. TODAY, A
01:37:07COLLECTION OF CONGRESSIONAL
01:37:09HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY SCRUTINIZED IMPORTANT ISSUES,
01:37:12AND CAPTURED THE ATTENTION OF
01:37:14THE COUNTRY. WEDNESDAY, A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION,
01:37:17AND ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S
01:37:20POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM TO
01:37:23ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR SOME OF THIS YEAR'S MOST
01:37:26WATCHED, MOST TALKED ABOUT, AND
01:37:28MOST MEMORABLE C-SPAN PROGRAMING.
01:37:32>> UH. MARK CARNEY, THE PRIME
01:37:34MINISTER OF CANADA, HAD THE TEMERITY, AND DOUG FORD, THE
01:37:37PREMIER OF ONTARIO, HAD THE
01:37:38TEMERITY TO TO CALL HIM OUT.
01:37:42DOUG FORD SAID, UH, DONALD, YOU
01:37:43CAN KISS MY. I MEAN, LITERALLY,
01:37:46HE SAID THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW,
01:37:50MARK CARNEY, I MEAN, HE POINTED OUT MONTHS AGO THAT DONALD TRUMP
01:37:54HAS BROKEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND
01:37:57CANADA, WHICH HAS STOOD SINCE,
01:37:59UH, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY SINCE THE
01:38:01END OF THE WAR OF 1812. AND, UH,
01:38:05YOU KNOW, IT'S THERE ARE SECOND
01:38:07LARGEST TRADING PARTNER BEHIND
01:38:09CHINA. THEY ARE, UH, YOU KNOW,
01:38:13WE SHARE THE WORLD'S LARGEST UH, UNFENCED, UNINTERRUPTED
01:38:16BORDER WITH THEM. OUR ECONOMIES
01:38:19HAVE BEEN LARGELY INTEGRATED FOR
01:38:21CENTURIES. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO
01:38:25ASK YOURSELF, WHY WOULD ANYBODY
01:38:27BE STUPID ENOUGH TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE COUNTRY? THAT'S YOUR
01:38:30NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. IT'S LIKE,
01:38:33IT'S LIKE GOING OVER AND THROWING DOG POOP ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FRONT YARD OR
01:38:36SOMETHING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S,
01:38:40UH, I DON'T GET IT. IT'S JUST,
01:38:44IT'S JUST WEIRD. AND NOW HE'S,
01:38:46HE'S, UH, NOW HE'S SAYING UH,
01:38:52WELL, FIRST OF ALL, HE'S
01:38:54DENYING THAT HE PUT ALL THESE
01:38:59ONEROUS, UH, DEMANDS ON CANADA THAT CAUSED THE END OF THE, OF
01:39:03THE TRADE TALKS. AND THEN, AND,
01:39:06BUT BEYOND THAT, HE'S NOW, AND HE'S SAYING, I LOVE FRENCH
01:39:10CANADIANS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. UM,
01:39:13HE CALLS, HE CALLS, UH, CARNEY
01:39:16SAYS HE'S A WEAK AND INEFFECTIVE PRIME MINISTER IN AN ATTEMPT TO GAIN POLITICAL
01:39:20SUPPORT, WHICH HE HAS TOTALLY
01:39:21LOST TO THE PEOPLE OF QUEBEC
01:39:25RIGHT. AND NOW HE'S THREATENING TO CHANGE THE NAME OF LAKE
01:39:29ONTARIO TO LAKE AMERICA. HOW
01:39:34PETTY. WE ARE BEING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CHILD IN THE WHITE
01:39:37HOUSE, A PETULANT, SPOILED,
01:39:42NEUROTIC, MENTALLY ILL CHILD IN
01:39:44THE WHITE HOUSE. THIS IS THIS IS
01:39:47A, I THINK MARY WAS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THIS IS A VERY, VERY
01:39:50DANGEROUS TIME FOR THIS COUNTRY. SO WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY, MAURICE, IN INGLEWOOD,
01:39:54CALIFORNIA. HEY, MAURICE. WHAT'S UP.
01:39:57>> JAMES CARVER, HAVE A LAW
01:39:59LICENSE? TOM IF JAMES CARDIN IS
01:40:08GOING TO BE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. I LOVE THE SPIRIT HE
01:40:10EXEMPLIFIED WHEN HE WAS TALKING
01:40:22COME TO THE CONGRESS TO TESTIFY.
01:40:24>> I AGREE, I AGREE
01:40:40>> THE SUPREME COURT, THEY CRIMINALS DO, TOM. THEY SCARED TO GO ON DOWN WITH HIM. THEY GOT
01:40:44ONE CHOICE
01:40:59I CAN'T IMAGINE THE SUPREME
01:41:01COURT JUSTICE IN THE TIME. SO, ANYWAY, I.
01:41:05>> THINK YOU'RE. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THAT GIVES TRUMP AN OPPORTUNITY
01:41:09TO PUT SOMEBODY WHO'S 35 YEARS OLD ON THE COURT, YOU KNOW,
01:41:11ANOTHER RIGHT WING CRANK WHO'S YOUNG.
01:41:15>> BUT IT WON'T HAPPEN. TOM. THERE'S A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN.
01:41:17I'M LOOKING AT THIS ELECTION
01:41:20VOTED FOR VINDMAN BECAUSE THAT HOMAN SHOWED SOME COURAGE BACK IN THE DAY. YOU REMEMBER WHO HE
01:41:23WAS, BUT HE LOST TO ANDY DIXON.
01:41:25NO, NO, NOT TO GET RACIST
01:41:42A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN. THERE'S A BIG OLD WAVE. IT'S A BLUE ONE. I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR,
01:41:45PURPLE. WHATEVER. IT'S COMING
01:41:58>> YES. YEAH, HE'S. HE'S THE
01:42:00FIRST GAY, UH, SECRETARY OF THE
01:42:02TREASURY. YEAH. >> OKAY. >> WELL, I THINK HE MIGHT BE THE
01:42:06FIRST GAY, OPENLY GAY CABINET. NO, NO, PETE BUTTIGIEG WAS THE FIRST OPENLY GAY CABINET MEMBER
01:42:10AS SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION.
01:42:12>> PETE BUTTIGIEG IS A DEMOCRAT. THAT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISING.
01:42:16>> YEAH LIKE I SAID EARLIER, GAY REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE HEN'S TEETH. YOU
01:42:20KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF RARE, BUT BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE. THERE'S
01:42:22A FEW OF THEM. >> SO I AGREE, TOM.
01:42:26>> THANKS. THANKS A LOT, MORRIS. ALWAYS NICE HEARING FROM YOU, DORIS, IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN.
01:42:30HEY, DORIS. HOW'S MY OLD
01:42:33STOMPING GROUNDS?
01:42:36>> UM AND A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE
01:42:39MEDICARE 80/20 RULE. BUT FIRST,
01:42:43I WANT TO TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE
01:42:48TALKING ABOUT THE HUMAN BINKIE.
01:42:51THERE ARE SIX HUMAN BINKIES ON THE SUPREME COURT. AND NOT TO
01:42:54FORGET THAT
01:42:58>> I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH YOU,
01:42:59DORIS.
01:43:02>> YEAH. OKAY. NOW, UH, MEDICARE
01:43:04IS 61 YEARS OLD. LBJ PASSED IT,
01:43:10AND THE, UH, THEY HAD THE 8020
01:43:12RULE, 80% MEDICARE PAID FOR 20%.
01:43:19WE PAY FOR. >> CORRECT.
01:43:22>> IN 61 YEARS, THAT HAS NOT MOVED. >> YEAH. >> WE HAVE NOT.
01:43:26>> HAD THAT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
01:43:29>> WE HAVE NOT HAD 9010. WE HAVE
01:43:34HAD NOTHING. >> WELL, THE REASON, THE REASON
01:43:37WHY THAT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, DORIS, IS THE
01:43:39REASON WHY IT HASN'T CHANGED, OR IT'S HALF OF THE REASON WHY IT
01:43:43HASN'T CHANGED. IT WAS PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE,
01:43:46BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRICE THAT THE SOUTHERN SENATORS TOLD LBJ
01:43:49THEY WANTED HIM TO PAY FOR
01:43:52PASSING MEDICARE, BECAUSE THEY WERE. THEY, AT THAT POINT IN
01:43:55TIME, MOST HOSPITALS, IN FACT, ALL THE HOSPITALS IN THE SOUTH
01:43:59AND MOST HOSPITALS IN THE COUNTRY WERE SEGREGATED. AND
01:44:02THEY DID NOT WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW UP AT THE HOSPITAL AND HANG OUT WITH WHITE
01:44:06PEOPLE AND HAVEN'T PAID FOR BY MEDICARE, OLDER BLACK PEOPLE.
01:44:09AND SO THEY FIGURED THAT IF THE BLACK PEOPLE WHO WERE POORER
01:44:12THAN WHITE PEOPLE, HAD TO PAY THAT 20%, THEY WOULD BE LESS LIKELY TO SHOW UP AT THE
01:44:16HOSPITAL. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ORIGINALLY CAME FROM. NOW, WHAT
01:44:20THAT DID, WHAT THAT 20% HOLE DID
01:44:21IN MEDICARE IS IT OPENED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIG
01:44:25INSURANCE COMPANIES TO SELL WHAT THEY CALL MEDIGAP POLICIES THAT
01:44:28FILL THAT 20% GAP, AND THAT HAS
01:44:32BECOME A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY. SO NOW THERE'S TWO
01:44:36REASONS WHY REPUBLICANS FIGHT EVERY EFFORT BY DEMOCRATS TO DO
01:44:38AWAY WITH THAT 20% HOLE. AND THAT IS NUMBER ONE. THEY STILL,
01:44:42YOU KNOW, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT KEEPS POOR PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY POOR PEOPLE OF
01:44:45COLOR, OUT OF HOSPITALS AND DOCTORS OFFICES. AND NUMBER TWO,
01:44:49BECAUSE THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SPIFFING THEM, YOU KNOW,
01:44:53FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE SUPREME COURT SAID, YOU CAN GIVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, CORPORATIONS
01:44:56CAN BUY POLITICIANS, AND YOU'VE
01:44:58GOT A LOT OF REPUBLICANS WHO ARE TOTALLY IN THE POCKET OF THE BIG
01:45:01INSURANCE COMPANIES. SO THAT'S WHY IT HASN'T CHANGED, AND WHY
01:45:04I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF IT
01:45:06DOES CHANGE, ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, IF MEDICARE FOR ALL ACTUALLY
01:45:10DOES PASS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE THAT HOLE. SO WE'LL SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
01:45:13>> YEAH, BUT BUT DEMOCRATS HAVE
01:45:16BEEN IN CHARGE TOO. >> I KNOW.
01:45:18>> I KNOW, I ASKED SENATOR
01:45:21PETERS WHEN HE HAD A TOWN HALL A
01:45:22COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT THIS.
01:45:26AND I GOT WORD SALAD. >> YEAH. WELL, IT'S BECAUSE. I
01:45:28MEAN, IT'S A HUGE. >> WORD SALAD.
01:45:32>> YEAH. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF SENATOR PETERS WAS TAKING MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES OR
01:45:36NOT. THE ODDS ARE FAIRLY HIGH THAT HE WAS. >> HE WAS. I BET HE WAS.
01:45:39>> WHO KNOWS. >> I AND I BET THERE'S A LOT OF
01:45:43DEMOCRATS TAKING THIS CORRUPT INSURANCE MONEY. OH THERE ARE.
01:45:47DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY SUPPLEMENT IS? EVERY MONTH AND IT'S RISING.
01:45:50I HAVE BLUE CROSS AND BLUE
01:45:52SHIELD FOR MY 20%. MHM. IT'S
01:45:57$380. >> NOW. MINE'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO. YEAH, YEAH.
01:46:00>> THAT SHOULD NOT BE. >> NO, WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING 3 OR $4000 A YEAR JUST TO HAVE
01:46:04MEDICARE. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU GOT TO PAY, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS A MONTH
01:46:07FOR THE MEDICARE ITSELF. SO, YEAH, I'M WITH YOU. >> CORRECT.
01:46:10>> THIS IS A SITUATION THAT IS
01:46:12AS, AS THEY SAY IN D.C., RIPE
01:46:16FOR REFORM. SO HOPEFULLY SOMETHING. >> WILL COME UP. THANK YOU, TOM. >> THANK YOU. DORIS. NICE TO
01:46:20HEAR FROM YOU. IT'S 44.5 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR. I'LL BE BACK WITH
01:46:23MORE OF YOUR CALLS IN JUST A MOMENT. IT'S THE THOM HARTMANN
01:46:26PROGRAM, YOUR MEDIA SUPPORT GROUP FOR WE THE PEOPLE. WE'LL BE BACK WITH MORE OF THE NEWS OF
01:46:30THE DAY IN YOUR CALLS. WELL, SPECIFICALLY YOUR CALLS RIGHT
01:46:33AFTER THIS. STAY TUNED.
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01:46:49IS CARRYING JOHN RATCLIFFE, THE CIA DIRECTOR. WHAT'S GOING ON
01:46:53HERE? THIS IS. >> WEIRD.
01:46:56>> [MUSIC]
01:47:07>> AND WELCOME BACK, CAROLYN IN SEATTLE. HEY, CAROLYN, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
01:47:11>> OH, HELLO, TOM. THANK YOU SO
01:47:14MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL. I'M A
01:47:17FIRST TIME CALLER GETTING THROUGH TO CALL AND LISTENER FOR
01:47:21ABOUT A DECADE. SO THANK YOU, CAROL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND
01:47:24THANK YOU FOR HAVING MARY TRUMP
01:47:25ON. SHE'S ONE OF THE MOST SANE
01:47:29AND PERCEPTIVE PEOPLE AND
01:47:30SPEAKING VERY STRAIGHT, VERY
01:47:34DIRECTLY AND SUCCINCTLY TO ALL OF THESE ISSUES. SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND BE AS SUCCINCT AS I CAN
01:47:38BE. UM, WHY? I FIRST SPOKE TO
01:47:42MATTEO, AND I WAS ASKING ABOUT
01:47:45THE REALLY CLEARLY DOCUMENTED
01:47:48CORRUPTION, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RIGGING, TO USE THE WORDS THAT,
01:47:52YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT OCCUPANT
01:47:54OF THE WHITE HOUSE USES OF THE
01:47:58ELECTIONS OF 2000. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER, JEB
01:48:01BUSH GETTING ALL THOSE VOTES
01:48:03STRICKEN. AND I DIDN'T GO INTO,
01:48:08LIKE THE 2004 ELECTION WHEN, UH,
01:48:09W, YOU KNOW, UH, DIEBOLD
01:48:13ELECTION MACHINES WERE, WERE
01:48:14FLIPPED. I DON'T REMEMBER ALL
01:48:17THE DETAILS, BUT CLEARLY THAT ELECTION ALSO SHOULD NOT HAVE
01:48:21GONE TO HIM. AND NOW, OF COURSE,
01:48:24IT'S BLATANT. IN 2016 AND 2024.
01:48:30UM, I WON'T GO BECAUSE YOU HAVE DOCUMENTED ALL OF THAT SO MUCH
01:48:33MORE CLEARLY. BUT I'M JUST
01:48:36WONDERING, YOU KNOW, UM, IF WE
01:48:37MANAGE TO KEEP OUR REPUBLIC, UH,
01:48:41AS JEFFERSON'S OR. YEAH, NO, AS FRANKLIN SAID, YOU KNOW, A
01:48:45REPUBLIC, MADAM, IF WE CAN KEEP
01:48:47IT, UH, IF THERE WOULD BE ANY
01:48:51WAY TO, IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF
01:48:53RESTORATION AFTER THIS REGIME IS
01:48:55VOTED OUT OR FALLS IN SOME WAY
01:48:59TO INVALIDATE ALL OF THE CORRUPT
01:49:01LAWS, ALL OF THE SHRINKING OF NATIONAL PARKS, THE, YOU KNOW,
01:49:05THE DESTRUCTION OF GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, THE FIRING OF ALL
01:49:09THOSE, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT WORKERS, ET CETERA.. UM, IF
01:49:12THERE'LL BE ANY WAY TO RESTORE
01:49:13ALL OF AND EVEN START SAYING,
01:49:17CALLING, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT
01:49:18GORE, PRESIDENT RODHAM CLINTON,
01:49:21YEAH. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THEY
01:49:24WERE UNABLE TO SERVE THEIR,
01:49:27THEIR RIGHTFULLY ELECTED TERMS. YEAH. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW
01:49:31WHAT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE ALL OF THAT IS, IS UNKNOWN. THAT HAS
01:49:35NEVER HAPPENED. I DON'T. >> I DON'T THINK. >> WE CAN. DO YOU. >> THINK I DON'T THINK WE CAN
01:49:38CRY OVER SPILLED MILK, AS THE OLD CLICHE GOES. I THINK WE, WE
01:49:41NEED TO BE LOOKING FORWARD. AND IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A
01:49:44LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE ANY
01:49:47REAL DRAMATIC CHANGE IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TRUMP
01:49:50IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THAT
01:49:53PERIOD OF TIME. AND, AND IF HE RESIGNS OR HIS, UH, HIS WEIGHT
01:49:57OR HIS HEART GETS TO HIM, UH, YOU'VE GOT JD VANCE, WHO'S
01:50:00ARGUABLY EVEN WORSE. UH, YOU KNOW, HE'S THE TOOL OF SILICON
01:50:03VALLEY, IN MY OPINION. NEO
01:50:05FASCIST TECH BROS. UM, BUT, UH.
01:50:09>> YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE, UH, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE
01:50:13CHARISMA, YOU KNOW, THE EVIL CHARISMA. YEAH. TRUMP, YOU.
01:50:16>> KNOW, HE'S LACKING ALTOGETHER. YEAH. TRUMP IS A
01:50:18SINGULAR, SINGULARLY SUCCESSFUL CON MAN. I MEAN, HE'S ONE OF
01:50:21THE BEST SALESMEN. >> YEAH. LIKE STALIN. HE'S, HE'S UP THERE WITH STALIN AND
01:50:26HITLER. >> YEAH. IT'S. WELL, IT, IT ACTUALLY REMINDS ME MORE OF.
01:50:29YOU. EVER SEE THE, THE OLD MOVIE, THE MUSIC MAN UH.
01:50:32>> I THINK I SAW PART OF IT. >> YEAH. THE CON MAN COMES INTO
01:50:35TOWN AND, AND CONVINCES EVERYBODY. AND, YOU KNOW, NOW,
01:50:38IN THE MUSIC MAN, THE CON MAN TURNED OUT TO HAVE A HEART OF GOLD, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF
01:50:41THE MOVIE. BUT, UH, YEAH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.
01:50:45THIS IS THE THING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A CON MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND I THINK. PEOPLE ARE.
01:50:49>> FIGURING. THAT'S ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY. WHY DON'T I THINK ANOTHER TERM?
01:50:52THEY CALL US THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
01:50:55THEY ARE THE REPUBLICANS.
01:50:57>> THE REPUBLICANS. OKAY. YEAH. THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF.
01:51:01>> WAYS TO USE THAT. OKAY. >> THANK YOU, CAROLYN. THANK
01:51:03YOU. GOOD TALKING TO YOU. IT'S
01:51:0549 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR
01:51:08>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
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01:52:46AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR
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01:52:51WATCHED, MOST TALKED ABOUT, AND
01:52:55MOST MEMORABLE C-SPAN PROGRAMING THAT CAPTURED PUBLIC ATTENTION.
01:52:58AND ON FRIDAY, SUPREME COURT
01:53:00JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES, THE CONSTITUTION, THE COURT, AND
01:53:03WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THE
01:53:05NATION'S HIGHEST COURT. WATCH A
01:53:08MARATHON OF COMPELLING PROGRAMING. ALL THIS WEEK ON
01:53:11C-SPAN, TWO.
01:53:17>> THE ROAD TO THE >> [MUSIC] >> CAPITOL RUNS THROUGH AMERICA'S BATTLEGROUND STATES,
01:53:21AND C-SPAN IS THERE. OUR CAMERAS ARE ON THE GROUND FOLLOWING THE
01:53:24CAMPAIGNS WHERE THE TOUGHEST RACES WILL DECIDE THE BALANCE OF
01:53:27POWER IN CONGRESS, WE'RE THE
01:53:28ONLY NATIONAL TELEVISION NETWORK PROVIDING THIS LEVEL OF
01:53:32UNFILTERED ACCESS TO THE
01:53:34CANDIDATES, THE VOTERS, AND THE ISSUES SHAPING CAMPAIGN 2026. NO
01:53:38COMMENTATORS TELLING YOU WHAT TO THINK. NO PARTIZAN SPIN THE ROAD
01:53:42TO THE CAPITOL, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
01:53:47>> OKLAHOMA CITY. HEY, JOE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
01:53:49>> WELL, YOU JUST A TAD BIT OF
01:53:53BREATHING ROOM HERE. I DID WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ON THAT
01:53:57C-17 THAT LANDED IN MOSCOW WITH
01:53:59RATCLIFFE ABOARD. AND WHAT I
01:54:03BELIEVE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REPORTS
01:54:06OF RUSSIAN ASYLUM SEEKERS THAT WERE CRITICAL OF PUTIN. ALL
01:54:10THOSE FOLKS ARE GETTING PICKED
01:54:11UP BY ICE, AND THOSE PLANES CAN
01:54:14CARRY ABOUT 700 PEOPLE. AND I
01:54:17THINK THAT'S WHAT RATCLIFFE WAS. HE'S DELIVERING THE PEOPLE,
01:54:21PUTIN, THEY'RE THEY'RE HERE, BUT THEY'RE CRITICAL OF PUTIN. SO
01:54:24THAT'S WHO I THINK THEY TOOK OVER THERE, THAT HE WAS.
01:54:27>> THAT WOULD BE A STAB IN THE BACK, WOULDN'T IT
01:54:31>> OH, UNBELIEVABLE. AND COMPLETELY DISGUSTING. QUICK QUESTION. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE
01:54:34RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK? >> OH YEAH. OF COURSE. HARRISON
01:54:38FORD'S MOVIE. YEAH. OKAY.
01:54:40>> PULL UP THE CLIP. WHERE THE
01:54:43NAZI OPENS THE ARK OF THE COVENANT AND TELL ME IF YOU
01:54:46DON'T GET A SCOTT BESSENT VIBE. >> OH.
01:54:49>> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU'RE RIGHT. COMPLETE WITH THE
01:54:53GLASSES. YEAH.
01:54:54>> YEAH I JUST GOT THIS HUGE
01:54:58SPINE RIPPLE OF MY, ALL MY, I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOD, BUT WATCH
01:55:02IT AGAIN. AND IT'S REALLY QUITE FRIGHTENING. YEAH. OKAY. LASTLY.
01:55:05>> WELL, BEFORE YOU MOVE ON,
01:55:06JOE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT LAWRENCE O'DONNELL'S RIFF, I
01:55:10THINK IT WAS A WEEK AGO OR SO WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE REASON THAT TRUMP HIRED SCOTT
01:55:13BESSENT WAS BECAUSE OF THOSE GLASSES, BECAUSE HE WAS
01:55:17REMEMBERING, UH, LBJ OR NIXON'S,
01:55:21UH, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE. AND I'M DRAWING A BLANK ON HIS NAME RIGHT NOW, BUT HE HAD THE SAME
01:55:24GLASSES, YOU KNOW, AND, UH.
01:55:27>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO BRILLIANT. >> YEAH. >> AND I HAVE A THING. IT'S A
01:55:30VERY SHORT LITTLE LIMERICK OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT,
01:55:33BUT IT'S. TRUMP ONLY HIRES THE
01:55:35BEST OF LIARS. BUT BACK ON YOUR FLORIDA THING, YOU WERE TALKING
01:55:39ABOUT HOW THEY WERE, YOU KNOW,
01:55:43PULLING THEIR LITTLE PURGES AND STUFF. I WANT EVERYBODY TO REMEMBER, AND I'M SURE YOU DO,
01:55:46TOO. THEY ALSO WERE USING THE
01:55:49POLICE, THE HIGHWAY PATROL, THE, THE STATE POLICE. THEY WERE
01:55:52USING THE POLICE THAT WERE
01:55:55ACTUALLY DOING ROADBLOCKS AROUND
01:55:58THE BLACK PRECINCTS, WHERE THEY WERE STOPPING THE BUSSES ON SOULS TO THE POLLS. THEY WERE
01:56:02PULLING EVERYBODY OFF, MAKING
01:56:03THEM SHOW ID, CHECKING THEIR VEHICLE INSPECTIONS.
01:56:07>> AND I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT
01:56:10>> TRYING TO GO VOTE DURING THEIR LUNCH HOUR, THAT THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD HOLD THEM UP
01:56:1420, 30 MINUTES. RIGHT. SO, I
01:56:16MEAN, YOU JUST ADD THAT ON TO
01:56:18THE FACT THAT GORE LOST BY BASICALLY THE BEST ESTIMATE OF
01:56:22100 OR 530 VOTES. THINK ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD TO TURN
01:56:26AROUND AFTER THEY GOT STOPPED. THEY WERE CHECKING FOR WARRANTS.
01:56:29THEY WERE CHECKING FOR. IS YOUR
01:56:32CAR BEEN INSPECTED? WRIGHT >> HAD BLACK SKIN? YEAH, YEAH,
01:56:36NO, I, YEAH, I NOW REMEMBER THAT. JOE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU
01:56:38FOR REFRESHING OUR COLLECTIVE MEMORY ON THAT. YEAH. THE 2000
01:56:42ELECTION WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW,
01:56:45STOLEN. WE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SO THAT WAS BUSH, UH, THE,
01:56:49THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM, OTHER THAN HIS DADDY WAS,
01:56:52WAS REAGAN. REAGAN CUT A DEAL WITH THE AYATOLLAH TO HANG ON TO
01:56:56THE AMERICAN HOSTAGES FOR A YEAR. AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT,
01:56:58FOR SIX YEARS, HE ILLEGALLY, CRIMINALLY SOLD THEM WEAPONS.
01:57:02YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE IRAN-CONTRA
01:57:04THING. SO THAT PRESIDENCY WAS,
01:57:06WAS IN WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, INVALID OR WAS, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M MISSING A WORD
01:57:10HERE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN NIXON,
01:57:14NIXON, LBJ, AND HUBERT HUMPHREY HAD NEGOTIATED PEACE WITH THE
01:57:17SOUTH VIETNAMESE IN 1968, AND THEY WERE GOING TO ROLL IT OUT
01:57:19IN OCTOBER. AND, AND DECLARE THE
01:57:23END OF THE WAR. AND NIXON FOD OUT ABOUT IT. AND HE WENT TO THE HEAD OF THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE AND
01:57:26SAID, AKE YORICH IF YOU REFUSE TO GO TO PARIS AND SIGN
01:57:29THAT DEAL. AND I THINK, WHAT WAS HIS NAME? TWO, AS I RECALL. AND
01:57:32HE SAID, OKAY, COOL, I'LL TAKE
01:57:35THE MONEY. AND AS A RESULT OF
01:57:37THAT, ANOTHER 24,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS DIED. ANOTHER MILLION
01:57:40VIETNAMESE DIED, AND RICHARD NIXON GOT ELECTED. AND, UH, YOU
01:57:43KNOW, INSTEAD OF HUBERT HUMPHREY
01:57:45IN 68. SO IT'S LIKE WE HAVE HAD THREE ILLEGITIMATE. ILLEGITIMATE
01:57:49IS THE WORD. I
01:57:57WAS LOOKING FOR THREE. ILLEGITIMATE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS. NOW, IN, YOU KNOW, IN MY LIFETIME, AND ARGUABLY
01:58:01FOUR, BECAUSE GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT IF REAGAN HADN'T CUT A DEAL WITH THE AYATOLLAHS. SO SPOT ON, JOE. >> THANK YOU. NOT TO MENTION
01:58:05THE. >> YEAH, NOT TO MENTION THE ELITE, THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
01:58:08>> YEAH. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE, GEORGE W BUSH LOST THE
01:58:11ELECTION BY A HALF MILLION VOTES. DONALD TRUMP LOST IN 2016 BY 3 MILLION VOTES. YOU'RE
01:58:14ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THANK YOU. RICK IN SAINT PAUL, MINNESOTA.
01:58:17HEY, RICK. WHAT'S UP? OH, RICK.
01:58:19YEAH YEAH YEAH. GO AHEAD. I JUST
01:58:22HAVE ABOUT 30s HERE. I'M SORRY.
01:58:26I'LL I JUST WANTED TO CALL BACK AGAIN LATER THIS WEEK. IF YOU WANT.
01:58:29>> OKAY. >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
01:58:31UKRAINE AND US, THEY'RE BEING
01:58:34WE'RE BEING BOMBED WITH MONEY,
01:58:36AND MONEY IS TAKEN OUT. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TAKEN OUT, OUR
01:58:40THE ALGORITHM, I MEAN, MONEY IS
01:58:42DOING SO MUCH DAMAGE TO OUR
01:58:45DEMOCRACY, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR DEMOCRACY IS BEING BOMBED WITH
01:58:48BOMBS BEING BOMBED WITH MONEY. >> YEAH, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT
01:58:52POINT. AND IT'S BECAUSE FIVE CORRUPT REPUBLICANS ON THE U.S.
01:58:55SUPREME COURT, ONE OF WHOM WAS
01:58:57BEING PAID OFF BY A CORRUPT BILLIONAIRE WHO WANTED CITIZENS
01:59:00UNITED TO PASS. AND HIS. >> PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE
01:59:04BOMBS ARE COMING FROM. >> YEAH, YEAH. THERE YOU GO. IT'S IT'S THE RIGHT WING
01:59:08BILLIONAIRE CLASS, AND THE TECH BROS. RICK. THANK YOU. WELL SAID. AND THANKS FOR LISTENING
01:59:12TO US ON AM 950 THERE KTMF IN
01:59:16MINNEAPOLIS. IT'S WELL, WE'RE HITTING THE TOP OF THE HOUR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK.
01:59:19CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE IS GOING TO DROP BY. HE'S BEEN LOOKING AT
01:59:22WHETHER OR NOT INDIVIDUAL STATES CAN DO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE AND HOW THE WHOLE SYSTEM WOULD WORK.
01:59:26LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT
01:59:26AFTER THIS
01:59:30>> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THOM
01:59:34HARTMANN.
01:59:37>> [MUSIC]
01:59:53[MUSIC] >> FIGHT BACK. >> THIS WEEK ON C-SPAN 2, WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO
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02:01:08MOST MEMORABLE C-SPAN PROGRAMING
02:01:11THAT CAPTURED PUBLIC ATTENTION.
02:01:12AND ON FRIDAY, SUPREME COURT
02:01:16JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES, THE CONSTITUTION, THE COURT, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THE
02:01:20NATION'S HIGHEST COURT. WATCH A
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02:01:25C-SPAN, TWO.
02:01:33>> THE ROAD TO THE >> [MUSIC]
02:01:39>> CAPITOL RUNS THROUGH AMERICA'S BATTLEGROUND STATES, AND C-SPAN IS THERE. OUR CAMERAS ARE ON THE GROUND FOLLOWING THE CAMPAIGNS WHERE THE TOUGHEST
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02:01:50PROVIDING THIS LEVEL OF UNFILTERED ACCESS TO THE CANDIDATES, THE VOTERS, AND THE
02:01:52ISSUES SHAPING CAMPAIGN 2026. NO
02:01:55COMMENTATORS TELLING YOU WHAT TO
02:01:56THINK. NO. PARTIZAN SPIN THE
02:02:00ROAD TO THE CAPITOL, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
02:02:03>> C-SPAN AUDIENCE. UH. THE TRUMP IS, UH. TRUMP IS
02:02:06THREATENING TO RENAME LAKE
02:02:10ONTARIO. I MENTIONED THAT THE OTHER THE OTHER STORY THAT I THINK IS FASCINATING, THAT I
02:02:12WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU IN OUR
02:02:15LITTLE SIX MINUTE THING HERE BEFORE THE ACTUAL SHOW STARTS,
02:02:19IS, UH, THE STORY ABOUT STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER. YOU MAY NOT HAVE
02:02:21HEARD OF STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER.
02:02:25HE'S A BILLIONAIRE AND INVESTOR. AND, UH, HE WORKED
02:02:28WITH SCOTT BESSENT, OUR
02:02:30SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY, AT
02:02:33GEORGE SOROS'S FIRM BACK IN THE
02:02:371990s. AND THE WAY THAT GEORGE
02:02:41SOROS MADE HIS MONEY, HIS BIG
02:02:43MONEY, WAS BASICALLY RUNNING A
02:02:47BET AGAINST THE BRITISH POUND.
02:02:51AND, AND THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT'S EFFORTS BACK
02:02:54DURING THAT ERA TO, TO CONTROL THE EXCHANGE RATE OF THE POUND,
02:02:58THE VALUE OF THE POUND, WHICH IS
02:03:01WHAT SCOTT BESSENT IS TRYING TO
02:03:02DO RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED
02:03:05STATES WITH REGARD TO THE VALUE
02:03:07OF THE DOLLAR AND INTEREST RATES
02:03:10AND THE PARALLELS ARE PRETTY STRIKING, ACTUALLY. AND THIS IS,
02:03:13YOU KNOW, AND SOROS, OF COURSE,
02:03:16MADE BILLIONS ON THAT BET. AND
02:03:19IT'S HOW HE GOT RICH. AND THOSE GUYS WERE THEY'RE BOTH STANLEY
02:03:23DRUCKENMILLER AND SCOTT BESSENT
02:03:25WORKING THERE WITH SOROS AT THAT
02:03:27TIME. AND SO RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE
02:03:31GOT, UH, SCOTT BESSENT, OUR, OUR
02:03:34BILLIONAIRE TREASURY SECRETARY, TRYING TO KEEP INTEREST RATES
02:03:37DOWN. RIGHT. THERE'S SO MUCH. I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE
02:03:40GOING INTO AN ELECTION AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE FREAKED OUT ABOUT THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW,
02:03:43IT COSTS 7% NOW TO BUY A HOUSE.
02:03:45IT'S BEEN WORSE. UNDER REAGAN. IT WAS I BOUGHT A HOUSE UNDER
02:03:49REAGAN, AND I THINK I PAID 13 OR
02:03:5115%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UH,
02:03:55INTEREST ON THE HOUSE BACK IN THE 80s. REPUBLICANS TEND TO DO
02:03:57THIS. TEN OF THE LAST 11
02:03:59RECESSIONS HAPPENED DURING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCIES, AND
02:04:03EIGHT OUT OF THE OUT OF THOSE RECESSIONS HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER
02:04:06THERE WAS A MASSIVE TAX CUT. TAX
02:04:07CUTS ON THE RICH TEND TO PRODUCE
02:04:11RECESSIONS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY THE REPUBLICANS RAISE TAXES IN SNEAKY WAYS. ON
02:04:14AVERAGE, WORKING PEOPLE. THAT
02:04:16CUTS OUR ABILITY TO BUY THINGS. RICH PEOPLE DON'T BUY THINGS.
02:04:20THEY THEY PUT THEIR MONEY AND THEIR MONEY BINS. THEY INVEST
02:04:23IT. AND, UH, AND THEY ONLY PAY
02:04:26TAXES ON CAPITAL GAINS. SO IT'S
02:04:29A MAXIMUM 20% RATHER THAN THE 37% THAT THOSE OF US WHO PAY,
02:04:31TAKE A PAYCHECK, WOULD HAVE TO
02:04:33PAY. SO ANYHOW, BESSENT IS, IS
02:04:37USING OUR TREASURY MONEY. AND
02:04:40EXCUSE ME, ARGUING THAT WE CAN
02:04:42USE FED MONEY TO BUY BACK BONDS,
02:04:46TO BUY BONDS OUT OF THE PRIVATE
02:04:48MARKET, TO REDUCE THE SUPPLY OF BONDS OUT THERE, WHICH WOULD
02:04:51DRIVE UP THE PRICE OF BONDS. RIGHT. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IF
02:04:55THERE'S FEWER OF SOMETHING, IT
02:04:58BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE. AND INTERESTINGLY, AS THE PRICE OF
02:05:00BONDS GOES UP, THE INTEREST RATES THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY GO
02:05:03DOWN. AND SO IF HE CAN DRIVE
02:05:07DOWN THE INTEREST RATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE, IN
02:05:11PARTICULAR, THE 20 AND 30 YEAR BONDS, THE LONG TERM FEDERAL
02:05:13BONDS, UM, IF HE CAN DRIVE DOWN
02:05:17THOSE INTEREST RATES, THAT WILL DRIVE DOWN HOME MORTGAGE RATES,
02:05:20BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED ON THOSE
02:05:23BONDS. AND HE TRIED DOING THIS
02:05:26TWO WEEKS AGO AND BOUGHT A COUPLE OF BILLION DOLLARS WORTH
02:05:30OF BONDS. AND IT WAS A $2
02:05:31BILLION BOND BUY. AND IT WORKED
02:05:34FOR ONE DAY. INTEREST RATES DROPPED, AND THEN THEY BOUNCED
02:05:38RIGHT BACK UP AGAIN. AND NOW
02:05:41HE'S TALKING ABOUT GOING IN
02:05:44WITH A $4 BILLION BOND PURCHASE. BUT WE'VE GOT TO I MEAN, WE
02:05:47HAVE A $40 TRILLION DEBT. NOW,
02:05:51SOME OF THAT IS DEBT THAT WE OWE OURSELVES. FOR EXAMPLE, SOCIAL
02:05:54SECURITY IS INVESTED IN BONDS. WE GOT A TRILLION AND A HALF
02:05:57DOLLARS IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY
02:06:01TRUST FUND, AND IT IS INVESTED IN GOVERNMENT BONDS. SO THAT'S MONEY THAT WE OWE OURSELVES. SO
02:06:04YOU TAKE THAT, AND THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, VARIATIONS ON
02:06:07THAT THEME. YOU TAKE ALL THAT OUT. AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 34
02:06:09BILLION, $34 TRILLION BOND
02:06:12MARKET. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY
02:06:16$4 BILLION WORTH OF BONDS OUT OF A $34 TRILLION BOND MARKET, YOU
02:06:20KNOW, IT'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE TRYING TO AFFECT THE, YOU KNOW,
02:06:23THE SIZE OF THE OCEAN BY, BY
02:06:26SQUIRTING A GARDEN HOSE INTO IT
02:06:27OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, OR A
02:06:31TEASPOON. IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO WORK. AND STANLEY DRUCKENMILLER, THE GUY WHO USED
02:06:35TO BE SCOTT BESSENT BOSS AT
02:06:38GEORGE SOROS OPERATION, JUST CAME OUT AND SAID HE WROTE IN
02:06:41THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST LIKE RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF GOD. AND EVERYBODY, UH,
02:06:45HE CAME OUT AND HE SAID,
02:06:46GOVERNMENTS DEFENDING PRICES
02:06:49AGAINST FUNDAMENTALS ALWAYS LOSE. THE ONLY VARIABLE IS HOW
02:06:52MUCH THEY SPEND BEFORE THEY
02:06:54CONCEDE. HE ADDS, THE LONG TERM TREASURY YIELD IS THE MOST
02:06:57IMPORTANT PRICE IN THE WORLD. IT IS ALSO THE ONLY FISCAL
02:07:00DISCIPLINARIAN THE U.S. HAS LEFT. AND HE SAYS THAT HE SAYS
02:07:04NEITHER PARTY WILL RUN ON ENTITLEMENT REFORM. BOTH HAVE
02:07:07SPENT THE PAST DECADE EXPANDING COMMITMENTS WHILE IGNORING
02:07:10ARITHMETIC. NOW HE'S ARGUING
02:07:11THAT WE SHOULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY AND JUST SCREW SENIORS
02:07:15RIGHT TO TO FIX THE BOND MARKET. I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO
02:07:19WORK. THAT'S DRUCKENMILLER'S IDEA. UM, BUT THAT'S ALSO
02:07:23SOMETHING THAT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO TURN SOCIAL
02:07:27SECURITY OVER TO THE BIG BANKS IN NEW YORK WHO GIVE REPUBLICANS
02:07:30BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR, OR MILLIONS, CERTAINLY. BUT, HE
02:07:34ADDS, THE MARKET'S VERDICT WAS SWIFT AND CORRECT. THIS WASN'T
02:07:37LIQUIDITY MANAGEMENT. IT WAS
02:07:39PRICE MANAGEMENT. AND A MISTAKE
02:07:43FAR LARGER THAN $4 BILLION SUGGESTS. AND HE SAYS, IN
02:07:47ADDRESSING THE PRIMARY DEFICIT IS, QUOTE, THE ONLY THING THAT
02:07:50DURABLY LOWERS. >> LONG TERM.
02:07:53>> [MUSIC]
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02:08:10VETERAN, AUTHOR. HE HAS A
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02:08:14THE EXISTENTIALIST REPUBLIC C M
02:08:18ARMITAGE.SUBSTACK.COM IS THE WEBSITE FOR IT. C ARMITAGE OVER
02:08:21ON BLUE SKY. CHRISTOPHER, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM. I
02:08:25IT'S ALWAYS GREAT HAVING YOU WITH US. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY.
02:08:29>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. >> ALWAYS A PLEASURE. SO I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THIS PIECE. I
02:08:33MEAN, YOU REALLY DID SOME DEEP
02:08:36DIVE HOMEWORK ON THIS. UM, OVER AT THE EXISTENTIALIST REPUBLIC.
02:08:40EVERY STATE CAN AFFORD UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, A TAXONOMY OF
02:08:43PUBLIC HEALTH CARE OPTIONS. AND
02:08:45IF I COULD JUST QUOTE YOU VERY
02:08:48BRIEFLY, UH, YOU POINT OUT, NEW
02:08:52ZEALAND COVERS EVERYONE ON A GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT SMALLER
02:08:54THAN LOUISIANA'S. DENMARK'S ECONOMY IS ROUGHLY HALF THE SIZE
02:08:58OF WASHINGTON STATE. COSTA RICA ACHIEVES UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE COVERAGE AND LIFE EXPECTANCY,
02:09:02EXCEEDING OURS ON ABOUT $70 BILLION IN TOTAL OUTPUT. AND
02:09:06THEN YOU SAY WE'RE SPENDING 18%
02:09:08OF THE ENTIRE ECONOMY. AND WE HAVE WORSE RESULTS THAN THESE
02:09:12PEOPLE. SO GIVE US THE BIG PICTURE FIRST. AND THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT
02:09:15WE CAN FIX THIS.
02:09:19>> ABSOLUTELY. AND I'LL MENTION THAT THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT HEALTH CARE, UH, YOU, YOU
02:09:22AND I, YOU MENTIONED, UH, WHAT VERMONT WENT THROUGH WHEN THEY TRIED TO GET UNIVERSAL HEALTH
02:09:26CARE GOING AND THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAD. AND WHAT REALLY
02:09:29STOPPED IT WITH THOSE ERISA REQUIREMENTS OF NEEDING TO GET
02:09:32FEDERAL APPROVAL. AND THAT WAS
02:09:34HALTED IN ITS TRACKS. AND THAT
02:09:37REALLY, YOU KNOW, GOT ME EVEN
02:09:39THINKING MORE ABOUT HOW TO ORGANIZE THIS INFORMATION AND EQUIP STATES TO NOT NEED
02:09:43PERMISSION FROM A HOSTILE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S
02:09:46TRYING TO STOP US FROM, YOU KNOW, FINDING SOLUTIONS AT THE
02:09:49LOCAL LEVEL. AND SO WITH THIS
02:09:51TAXONOMY. YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY
02:09:55ABOUT JUST IDENTIFYING HOW
02:09:55STATES CAN INDEPENDENTLY FUND
02:09:59THESE PROCESSES. AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY THAT DIFFICULT OF A CODE TO CRACK
02:10:03WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE MANAGES TO DO IT? AS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW,
02:10:06NEARLY EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS SOME SORT OF UNIVERSAL
02:10:09HEALTH CARE, INCLUDING MANY OF THEM THAT HAVE SMALLER GDP THAN
02:10:12STATES HAVE RIGHT NOW. UM, AND SO THE FOUR DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS
02:10:15ARE OUTLINED IN THAT PIECE THAT, UH, THAT EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC
02:10:18PUT OUT, UH, OUTLINE ONE JUST
02:10:23REGULATED PRIVATE CARRIER PROGRAMS. THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE CASCADE CARE IN WASHINGTON
02:10:27STATE, WHICH THEY CALL IT A
02:10:28PUBLIC OPTION, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST REGULATING PRIVATE INSURERS
02:10:32AND SAYING IT'S CAPPING
02:10:34REIMBURSEMENTS AND REQUIRING CERTAIN RATES AVAILABLE. WOULD THAT BE.
02:10:38>> THE WAY THAT SWITZERLAND DOES IT, FOR EXAMPLE? I THINK THEY'RE
02:10:41THE ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT HAS A. THEY REQUIRE ALL THE
02:10:44COMPANIES TO BE NONPROFIT, AND THEY HEAVILY REGULATE THEM. AND
02:10:48EVERYBODY IS REQUIRED TO BUY INSURANCE FROM THEM. BUT IT'S A
02:10:50VERY SMALL MARGIN BUSINESS. >> YEAH. AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE
02:10:54BENEFIT OF, UH, WITH THE WAY SWITZERLAND DOES A FEW THINGS
02:10:58DIFFERENT. FOR EXAMPLE, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A MINIMUM WAGE,
02:11:01BUT BECAUSE NEARLY EVERYBODY IS
02:11:03A MEMBER OF A UNION, THEY HAVE MUCH STRONGER NEGOTIATING
02:11:07LEVERAGE BETWEEN THESE LARGE UNIONS THAT ALMOST ACT LIKE A PARALLEL GOVERNMENT IN SOME
02:11:10WAYS. AND SO THAT'S PART OF HOW THEY'RE ALSO ABLE TO MAKE THAT
02:11:14WORK. AND SO SWITZERLAND'S A GREAT EXAMPLE. SO REGULATED
02:11:18PRIVATE CARRIER PROGRAMS ARE A FINE STARTING POINT FOR A LOT OF
02:11:21STATES. BUT REALLY THE SECOND CATEGORY IS THE ONE THAT, THAT
02:11:25I'M REALLY ENTHUSED ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT PUBLICLY OWNED
02:11:28INSURERS COMPETING FOR VOLUNTARY
02:11:30ENROLLMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, NORTH
02:11:33DAKOTA HAS THE BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA, THIS IS A PUBLICLY OWNED
02:11:37BRENT BANK. THAT'S REVENUE GENERATING. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT
02:11:39NOT FOR PROFIT. THEY GENERATE
02:11:41PROFIT WHILE BEING VERY HIGHLY
02:11:44RATED BY THEIR CUSTOMERS. AND EVEN HAVING POSITIVE WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER BANKS.
02:11:49BUT THEY'RE PUBLICLY OWNED. THEY GENERATED A THIRD OF $1
02:11:51BILLION IN REVENUE FOR THE STATE
02:11:53OF NORTH DAKOTA LAST YEAR. IT'S THE SAME THING THAT COULD BE
02:11:57DONE WITH HEALTH INSURANCE BASICALLY, A STATE GOVERNMENT
02:12:01COULD CHARTER THEIR OWN HEALTH
02:12:03INSURANCE COMPANY, UH, NEW YORK ALREADY HAS A VERSION OF THIS,
02:12:06BUT THERE'S 90% OF THE ENROLLEES ARE MEDICARE AND
02:12:10MEDICAID PEOPLE, AND THEN 10% OF THEM ARE JUST ANYONE ON THE
02:12:13MARKET WHO PAYS INTO IT. AND SO
02:12:18PUBLICLY OWNED INSURERS COMPETING FOR VOLUNTARY ENROLLMENT. WHAT'S GREAT ABOUT THAT IS, IMAGINE IF YOU WERE
02:12:22GOING TO START YOUR OWN HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY. WELL, IN
02:12:25WASHINGTON STATE, IF YOU LAUNCHED IT AND YOU EMPLOY IF
02:12:27YOU PUT ALL STATE EMPLOYEES ON
02:12:30THAT PLAN AND THEIR FAMILIES, YOU WOULD HAVE 700,000 ENROLLEES
02:12:34PAYING ON DAY ONE. NOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY
02:12:38PAYING PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES FOR PROFIT HEALTH
02:12:42INSURANCE COMPANIES. YOU COULD GIVE THEM A LOWER RATE ON DAY ONE AND LAUNCH THIS CHARTERED
02:12:46PRIVATE HEALTH INSURER WITHOUT
02:12:48ANY REQUIREMENTS OF WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND
02:12:51GENERATE REVENUE ON DAY ONE WITH THAT PLAN. >> WOW, WOW. >> THAT'S BRILLIANT. THAT'S
02:12:55BRILLIANT. >> AND THEN AND THEN CATEGORY
02:12:59THREE, YOU GO TO SINGLE PAYER FOR CORE COVERAGE. THAT'S THE
02:13:02MEDICARE MEDICAID PLAN. UH, THAT STATE LEVEL, UH, YOU KNOW, NEW
02:13:05YORK HEALTH ACT IS A VERSION OF THAT CAL CARE IN CALIFORNIA. AND
02:13:09THE WHOLE WASHINGTON HEALTH TRUST. I THINK THESE ARE GOOD PLANS, BUT I'LL JUST MENTION
02:13:12THAT PART OF WHY THAT TIER TWO TAXONOMY IS MY FAVORITE IS
02:13:16BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE RAISING TAXES ON ANYBODY AND
02:13:19BEING ABLE TO SELF-FUND A PROJECT LIKE THIS. AND MODERATE
02:13:23EMPLOYMENT. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S,
02:13:26IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REPUBLICAN FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
02:13:29TYPE OF ARGUMENT, BUT IT IS THE IDEA THAT STATES DON'T HAVE THE
02:13:33BENEFIT THAT THE FEDERAL
02:13:34GOVERNMENT HAS OF JUST PRINTING CASH. AND SO THE APPROACH CAN
02:13:38STILL BE DONE TO GET EVERYBODY
02:13:41ENROLLED VOLUNTARILY. UM, AND SO IT'S ANOTHER GOOD WAY TO NAVIGATE THAT. AND THEN THE
02:13:45FOURTH CATEGORY JUST ADDS PUBLIC DELIVERY TO PUBLIC PAYMENT. AND AGAIN, NEW YORK CITY IS A REALLY
02:13:49GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS, BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PLACES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO IN THE UNITED
02:13:53STATES, WHERE THEY JUST ACTUALLY
02:13:55START OWNING AND OPERATING FACILITIES, HEALTH CARE
02:13:58FACILITIES, IN ADDITION TO PAYING FOR CARE. AND THOSE ARE
02:14:02THE FOUR TAXONOMIES. >> FOR THE FOURTH ONE, JUST LIKE
02:14:05WITH MAMDANI, UH, GROCERY STORES IN NEW YORK CITY, THE
02:14:08REPUBLICANS WOULD BE SCREAMING THAT THAT'S COMMUNISM,
02:14:12WOULDN'T THEY? >> THEY DEFINITELY WOULD BE. I'M WORKING ON A PIECE RIGHT
02:14:15NOW. UM, THAT JUST OUTLINES REALLY IN DEPTH HOW MANY
02:14:18DIFFERENT POLICIES FIT WITHIN
02:14:21THESE, WHETHER IT'S, UM, OUR COMMUNIST U.S. POSTAL SERVICE
02:14:25THAT THE FOUNDERS OF THE UNITED
02:14:27STATES GUARANTEED US, UH, WHICH GENERATED REVENUE. LIKE WHEN I
02:14:31MENTIONED THAT PUBLICLY
02:14:33CHARTERED HEALTH CARE COMPANY OR
02:14:36INSURER, UM, REALIZED THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT WITH THE U.S.
02:14:39POSTAL SERVICE, THEY GENERATED
02:14:41REVENUE UNTIL THE REPUBLICANS, DURING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
02:14:44AND SINCE, UH, CREATED ALL THESE
02:14:47DIFFERENT BARRIERS TO PREVENTING THEM FROM REALLY BEING
02:14:51PROFITABLE. AND SO WE CAN. >> THOSE WERE DESIGNED TO HELP
02:14:53OUT FEDEX AND UPS WEREN'T, THEY WERE BIG DONORS TO THE GOP. YEAH. >> OH, YEAH.
02:14:57>> THEY'RE GOING TO DISMANTLE THE USPS SO THEY CAN HANDLE IT
02:15:00TO THOSE PRIVATE COMPANIES. UM,
02:15:02AND CONTINUE TO HAND OUR TAX DOLLARS OVER TO THESE
02:15:06ORGANIZATIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS I TRY TO AVOID THE
02:15:08LABELS, BUT THIS IS REALLY WHERE
02:15:12NEOLIBERALISM KILLS US, BECAUSE THE IDEA THAT, UM, THAT THE
02:15:15GOVERNMENT CAN'T BE A SOURCE OF REVENUE, WHICH ALSO LIMITS TAX
02:15:18BURDENS ON THE WORKING CLASS, UM, IS BELOVED BY CONSERVATIVES
02:15:22AND BY NEOLIBERALS, AS UNCONSERVATIVE AS IT IS
02:15:25SOMETHING LIKE THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. UNDENIABLY, FOR 250
02:15:29YEARS, HAS BENEFITED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WHILE BRINGING
02:15:32IN MORE MONEY THAN IT SPENT. THE BANK OF NORTH DAKOTA DOES THAT.
02:15:36WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAVE
02:15:39RELIABLY DELIVERED, PUBLICLY
02:15:42OWNED AND PUBLICLY ACCOUNTABLE REVENUE, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO TAX ANYBODY. AND WE CAN APPLY
02:15:46THAT SAME THING TO HEALTH INSURANCE. ANY STATE CAN DO
02:15:49THAT, AND THEY'LL HAVE A
02:15:51STRONGER BUDGET THAN THEY WOULD OTHERWISE. >> REMARKABLE STUFF. WE'RE
02:15:55TALKING WITH CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE, HIS NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS CALLED THE
02:15:59EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC. CHRISTOPHER, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY,
02:16:02ANY STATE, ANY STATES WHERE, ANYTHING LIKE ANY OF THESE FOUR
02:16:06OPTIONS YOU'RE LAYING OUT ARE
02:16:07BEING SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED OR,
02:16:10UH, EITHER OF THE POLITICAL PARTIES? I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD
02:16:13PROBABLY ONLY BE THE DEMOCRATS
02:16:15WHO HAVE PICKED UP THE MANTLE OF ANY OF THESE IDEAS.
02:16:18>> YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, CASCADE CARE AND WHATEVER COLORADO CALLS
02:16:22THEIR PLAN ARE THOSE SWITZERLAND
02:16:24MODELS OF REGULATING PRIVATE INSURERS. THEY COULD BE
02:16:28EXPANDED, BUT IT'S IT TRULY IS
02:16:30BETTER THAN NOTHING. AND I
02:16:33THINK, WORTHY OF CELEBRATION. UM, NOW CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK,
02:16:36UH, AND ONE IN WASHINGTON STATE
02:16:40HAVE PUBLIC UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, SINGLE PAYER FOR CORE
02:16:42COVERAGE, UH, INITIATIVES THAT
02:16:44HAVE GAINED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
02:16:46SUCCESS IN, UH, IN NEW YORK
02:16:50STATE. THEY'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN THEIR SINGLE PLAYER, UH, THEIR
02:16:53SINGLE PAYER INITIATIVE PASSED THROUGH THE STATE HOUSE, BUT NOT
02:16:57THROUGH THE STATE SENATE. IT CONTINUES YEAR AFTER YEAR TO
02:17:01PROGRESS HALFWAY AND THEN GET STOPPED. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK.
02:17:05>> IT'S BEEN STOPPED. I ASSUME, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMOCRATS CONTROL BOTH THE STATE AND THE
02:17:08HOUSE AND SENATE IN NEW YORK STATE, I'M GUESSING IT'S BEEN
02:17:10STOPPED BY INDIVIDUAL LEGISLATORS BEING SNIFFED BY THE
02:17:14BIG INSURANCE COMPANIES. >> WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY IT. AND THAT'S SOMETHING I REALLY
02:17:17ANYBODY LISTENING, I REALLY WANT
02:17:18TO ENCOURAGE YOU IS LIKE, OUR
02:17:22STATES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS. LIKE YOU SAID, NEW ZEALAND
02:17:23DOES IT WITH A, WITH A GDP
02:17:27SMALLER THAN LOUISIANA'S. AND SO ESPECIALLY THESE, THESE
02:17:30STATES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, VERMONT WITH LEGAL WITH GAY
02:17:33MARRIAGE AND CANNABIS LEGALIZATION, EVEN, UH, YOU
02:17:37KNOW, WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE IN WISCONSIN, THROUGHOUT U.S.
02:17:40HISTORY, THE STATES HAVE BEEN
02:17:43THE PLACE WHERE WE FIRST PROGRESSED THAT EXPERIMENTAL
02:17:46LOCATION, WHERE POLICY CAN GAIN STEAM AND SHOW A WORKING USE
02:17:49MODEL BEFORE IT BECOMES OBVIOUS
02:17:51THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD ADOPT IT.
02:17:55AND SO THESE, THESE STATES, THE TRIFECTA STATES. I JUST REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
02:17:58LISTENING, BUT EVEN ANYWHERE, TO. BECAUSE YOUR CITY IN A LOT
02:18:00OF PLACES COULD DO IT AS WELL. UM, YOU NEED TO GET AHOLD OF
02:18:04THESE REPRESENTATIVES AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BEING HELD
02:18:07ACCOUNTABLE. IT IS DEMOCRATS STOPPING PROGRESS IN THESE. I
02:18:10MEAN, THE MOST, YOU KNOW, I, I'D SAY WASHINGTON STATE IS ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE STATES.
02:18:14AND, I MEAN, THE FACT IS, IT'S JUST THESE IDEAS THAT I'M
02:18:17PRESENTING TO YOU, THEY DON'T HAVE LOBBYISTS BEHIND THEM. THEY
02:18:21DON'T HAVE LARGE DONORS BEHIND
02:18:24THEM. BUT WE COULD CHANGE THAT.
02:18:29WE COULD CONTACT REPRESENTATIVES EVEN IN OTHER STATES AND SAY, I WANT TO DONATE TO CANDIDATES WHO
02:18:32SUPPORT X, Y, Z ANYWHERE. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT
02:18:36OLIGARCHS DO. THAT'S WHAT THE WEALTHY PEOPLE DO. THAT'S WHAT ALL THESE CORPORATIONS DO IS
02:18:39THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE WINS WHEREVER THEY CAN PUSH THINGS
02:18:42OVER THE FINISH LINE THE MOST EFFECTIVELY. AND WE CAN ACHIEVE
02:18:45THAT. >> YEAH. I, YOU KNOW, CHRISTOPHER, YOU ARE ONE OF THE
02:18:49SMARTEST PEOPLE I KNOW. I LOVE
02:18:52YOUR NEWSLETTER, THE EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC ON SUBSTACK. AND, UH,
02:18:56THIS IS JUST BRILLIANT STUFF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DROPPING
02:19:00BY AND SHARING IT WITH US. >> THANK YOU.
02:19:04>> ALWAYS GREAT TALKING WITH YOU. CHRISTOPHER ARMITAGE. UH, THE NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS
02:19:07CALLED THE EXISTENTIAL REPUBLIC.
02:19:10I'LL BE BACK WITH YOUR CALLS IN JUST A MOMENT. 17 MINUTES PAST
02:19:13THE HOUR. STAY.
02:19:16>> [MUSIC]
02:19:21>> THIS IS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM.
02:19:24>> AND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUR, STEPHEN VLADECK, THE
02:19:27ATTORNEY ON ONE FIRST ON
02:19:28SUBSTACK, IS GOING TO DROP BY TO
02:19:32TALK ABOUT THIS MAIL BALLOT
02:19:36PROBLEM.
02:19:37>> [MUSIC]
02:19:44>> AND WELCOME BACK. WELL, SAD NEWS, DOLLY PARTON JUST DIED AT
02:19:47THE AGE OF 80. SO, YOU KNOW, I,
02:19:52I THINK I MENTIONED YESTERDAY, I STARTED IN RADIO WHEN I WAS 16
02:19:55YEARS OLD AS A COUNTRY WESTERN
02:19:58DJ, AND I ALWAYS LOVED HER MUSIC
02:20:01AND HER. I MEAN, SHE'S JUST A
02:20:04FINE AND DECENT HUMAN BEING. ALL
02:20:07RIGHT. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY, MARTHA? IN PLYMOUTH, MASSACHUSETTS. HEY, MARTHA.
02:20:10WHAT'S UP >> AN OBSERVATION. TOM, HI. HOW
02:20:14ARE YOU? I'M FINE. I NEWS EVERY
02:20:21MORNING BECAUSE MY LIFE HAS CHANGED A LOT. AND I'VE BEEN
02:20:24NOTICING SOMETHING ABOUT THE VALUE SYSTEM IN AMERICA. AND IT
02:20:27SEEMS TO BE THAT OUR METAPHORS
02:20:29THAT WE KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT
02:20:31FIGHT. TRUMP SAYS, AND THE
02:20:35DEMOCRATS SAY, WE GOTTA FIGHT, WE GOTTA. WE GOTTA FIGHT FOR OUR
02:20:37RIGHTS AND STUFF. MAYBE WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE
02:20:41STRUGGLE OR SOMETHING. I JUST REALLY DON'T LIKE THAT. AND THE
02:20:44OTHER THING, WE SEEM TO HAVE A HIGH VALUE ON IS SPORTS. IF
02:20:48PEOPLE WILL DO, LIKE ON MORNING JOE, THEY DO LIKE INTERVIEWS
02:20:51WITH PEOPLE AND THEY'LL ALL HAVE A DISAGREEMENT. AND INSTEAD OF
02:20:54SAYING, I HATE YOU AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU, THEY SAY, OH,
02:20:57LET'S TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE
02:20:59YANKEES VERSUS THE RED SOX OR
02:21:03SOMETHING. AND THE OTHER THING I'VE NOTICED IS THAT WE SEEM TO
02:21:06THINK THAT WHOEVER HAS THE MOST
02:21:08MONEY IS THE BEST PERSON. AND, UM. >> YEAH.
02:21:12>> I HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE WITH THAT. >> YEAH. THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN A MEME.
02:21:15>> THOSE ARE MY OBSERVATIONS. >> THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
02:21:18NO, I GET IT. AND I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT ANALYSIS.
02:21:22MARTHA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CALL. AND
02:21:26THAT'S SPOT ON STUFF. THANK YOU. NICHOLAS IN SAN CRISTOBAL, MEXICO. HEY, NICHOLAS, WHAT'S ON
02:21:29YOUR MIND TODAY?
02:21:31>> OH, SAID, DOLLY PARTON HAS DIED.
02:21:35>> YEAH. ISN'T IT SAD? >> OH, GOD, I CAN'T TAKE IT. I
02:21:39CAN'T LET MYSELF EVEN THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. I ADORED
02:21:41THAT WELL, LET'S DON'T TALK
02:21:47ABOUT THAT. I CAN'T, I'LL THINK ABOUT THAT LATER. THAT'S JUST BEYOND HORRIBLE.
02:21:50>> SHE HAD A GOOD LIFE. >> UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
02:21:54SOMETHING PECULIAR, AND I'M
02:21:56HOPING YOU DON'T IMMEDIATELY
02:21:59DISMISS IT AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S
02:22:03FAR TOO MUCH BEHIND IT ALL BE A
02:22:05CONSPIRACY THEORY, BASICALLY. I
02:22:08WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HIGHER UP
02:22:12IN ECHELONS OF THE ARMY OR THE
02:22:14STATE OR GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL,
02:22:18OR POLITICAL PARTIES IN GENERAL. THE HIGHER UP YOU GO, THE MORE
02:22:20DRUG USE YOU ENCOUNTER. I KNOW
02:22:23THAT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., YEARS AGO. AND
02:22:26BY THE WAY, YOU DID SAY THAT GAY
02:22:29REPUBLICANS WERE AS RARE AS HEN'S TEETH. I THINK WHAT YOU
02:22:32MEANT TO SAY WAS GAY LOG CABIN
02:22:36REPUBLICANS WERE. >> OH, YEAH. YEAH. YOU'RE RIGHT. >> WHAT WE WHAT WE KNOW TO BE
02:22:40TRUE IS EVERY TIME REPUBLICANS GATHER IN LARGE NUMBERS, THE
02:22:44FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS IS THEY CRASH THE GAY GRINDR CONNECTION SITE.
02:22:47>> YOU'RE RIGHT. YEAH, IT'S THE LINDSEY GRAHAM SYNDROME. YEAH. I
02:22:51GET IT. >> WELL, IT GOES WAY BEYOND. FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I
02:22:56CAN'T GET INTO IT, BUT I CAN TELL YOU. OH MY GOD. YEAH, AND
02:22:59HERE'S A FUNNY ONE. HUNTER BIDEN CAME UP WITH A TERM HE
02:23:03CALLS THE GAY REPUBLICANS CLOSET
02:23:06THEOCRACY >> AUTOCRACY, THE CLOSET CAUCUS.
02:23:09THAT'S BRILLIANT. YEAH. >> ISN'T THAT BRILLIANT?
02:23:11>> IT REALLY IS. NICHOLAS.
02:23:13>> AND AT ABOUT IS SOMETHING
02:23:16THAT'S SERIOUS. >> OKAY, NICHOLAS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO CALL BACK A
02:23:20LITTLE LATER ON TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I'M JUST HITTING A BREAK RIGHT HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE
02:23:24JUST BURN THROUGH A MINUTE AND A HALF. CAN YOU. >> HOLD ME OVER BY ANY CHANCE?
02:23:28>> I CAN'T, WE JUST DON'T DO THAT ON THE SHOW. BUT I'LL GIVE
02:23:31YOU A DISPENSATION HERE TO CALL AGAIN LATER IN THE WEEK. IF YOU
02:23:35IF YOU'D LIKE. I'M SORRY. I'M OUT OF TIME. GOOD TALKING TO YOU, NICHOLAS. AND THANKS FOR
02:23:38THE CALL FROM MEXICO. 21 MINUTES
02:23:40PAST THE HOUR. WE'LL BE BACK.
02:23:43>> [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
02:23:58[MUSIC] >> WHAT NEWS? THAT ACTUALLY HAS YOUR BACK. THE COMMONWEALTH
02:24:02REPORT BRINGS YOU HONEST, UNFILTERED REPORTING. NEWS FOR
02:24:05THE PUBLIC, NOT THE POWERFUL. >> TWICE DAILY ON C-SPAN 2.
02:24:09WE'RE BRINGING YOU LIVE TALK RADIO SIMULCASTS, FEATURING
02:24:10VOICES FROM ACROSS AMERICAN
02:24:13POLITICS, AT 9 A.M. EASTERN, MICHAEL SMERCONISH HOSTS THE
02:24:16MICHAEL SMERCONISH PROGRAM, CHALLENGING BOTH SIDES OF THE
02:24:19POLITICAL SPECTRUM. AT NOON, PROGRESSIVE COMMENTATOR THOM
02:24:22HARTMANN HOSTS THE THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM WITH HIS TAKE ON THE DAY'S BIGGEST POLITICAL STORY.
02:24:25>> YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOUNG THESE
02:24:28DAYS, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AND HOW OLD I AM.
02:24:31ANYWAY, I LOVED DOLLY PARTON. I
02:24:36STARTED IN RADIO AS A COUNTRY WESTERN DEEJAY, AND I HAVE JUST ALWAYS LOVED DOLLY PARTON AND
02:24:40HER MUSIC AND HER AND HERSELF AS
02:24:43A PERSON. SHE'S JUST A
02:24:45FUNDAMENTALLY DECENT HUMAN BEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE HOUR. STEVE VLADECK IS GOING TO DROP BY AND
02:24:49FILL US IN ON HIS. HE'S A
02:24:52BRILLIANT ATTORNEY, AND A AND A GOOD ANALYST FOR THE SUPREME COURT. ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH
02:24:56THIS WHOLE MAIL IN BALLOT THING. SO LET'S PICK UP SOME CALLS
02:24:59HERE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. DAVE IN NEW LONDON, CONNECTICUT. HEY,
02:25:03DAVE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY? >> THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:25:06TOM. REAL QUICK, I'D LIKE TO
02:25:08SEE SOME OF THE PROGRESSIVE
02:25:11CANDIDATES ATTACK THE CORPORATE MEDIA, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW,
02:25:14IF WE HAD MEDICARE FOR ALL, ALL THOSE HEALTH CARE COMMERCIALS
02:25:18WOULD KIND OF HURT THEIR SALARY.
02:25:21YEP. WHEN IT COMES, YOU KNOW, REALLY ATTACK THEM UM, AND THEY
02:25:25NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY SEEN AN INTERVIEW WITH CASEY
02:25:28HUNT. SHE WAS TALKING ALL THESE
02:25:30PEOPLE, THEY NEED TO GET RIGHT ON THEIR SAY WHAT THEY'RE GOING
02:25:34TO SAY. DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN PAY ATTENTION WITH THE
02:25:37PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES ARE
02:25:38SAYING, AND GET THE WORD OUT.
02:25:42UM, EVERYBODY HATES THE MEDIA, ESPECIALLY THE CORPORATE MEDIA. THEY NEED TO ATTACK THEM.
02:25:45THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS TRUMP DOES WELL IS HE ATTACKS THE
02:25:48MEDIA. HE LIES. HE'S NO FRIGGIN
02:25:50GOOD. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE
02:25:54PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES NEED TO DO. >> I'M WITH YOU. I AND THIS WAS
02:25:58A STRATEGY THAT THEY CAME UP
02:26:00WITH BACK DURING THE, THE REAGAN
02:26:03ERA WAS ATTACKING WHAT THEY CALL
02:26:05LIBERAL BIAS IN THE MEDIA. AND,
02:26:09UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE OF. LEE ATWATER WAS PROBABLY THE MOST FAMOUS
02:26:12PROPONENT OF IT. YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE WORK, THE REFS THING THAT
02:26:14WAS ACTUALLY RICH BOND, WHO WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE RNC BACK IN
02:26:17THE LATE 70s, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO WORK THE REFS.
02:26:21AND, UH, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE
02:26:23BEEN DOING. AND TO THIS DAY, MOST PEOPLE THINK WE HAVE A LIBERAL MEDIA IN AMERICA, AND WE
02:26:27DON'T. WE HAVE A FACTUAL MEDIA, AND WE'VE GOT A RIGHT WING
02:26:29MEDIA AND THE RIGHT WING MEDIA. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A LIBERAL MEDIA, YOU'RE LOOKING
02:26:33AT IT OR LISTENING TO IT RIGHT
02:26:35NOW, AND IT'S CORRECT, AND IT'S TINY COMPARED TO THE SIZE
02:26:38OF. YEAH, WELL, THANK YOU, BUT IT'S STILL TINY COMPARED TO THE SIZE OF CBS OR NBC, YOU KNOW,
02:26:42WHICH IS NOW OWNED BY A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE, CNN, WHICH IS
02:26:45ABOUT TO BE OWNED BY A RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRE. UM, YOU KNOW,
02:26:49HUNDREDS OF TELEVISION STATIONS OWNED BY SINCLAIR AND OTHER RIGHT WING BILLIONAIRES. THE
02:26:531500 RIGHT WING RADIO STATIONS OWNED BY RIGHT WING
02:26:56BILLIONAIRES, IT'S WILD STUFF. UH, DAVE, THANK YOU FOR THE
02:26:59CALL. MARIA IN ATLANTA. HEY, MARIA. THANKS FOR WATCHING US ON
02:27:02C-SPAN. WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
02:27:05>> MR. TOM HOMAN, HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> I'M FINE.
02:27:08>> HOPE YOU ARE TOO.
02:27:11>> FIRST, I'M DOING PRETTY. ALL RIGHT. FIRST TIME CALLER. I
02:27:14LEARNED ABOUT YOU LISTENING TO
02:27:16C-SPAN THANK YOU. YOU ARE SO
02:27:20DOWN TO EARTH, AND I LOVE THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN THINGS. SO I
02:27:24WANT TO TALK JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT
02:27:31I'M 64 AND VOTING SINCE I WAS
02:27:32ABLE AND I KNOW VOTING HAS DONE
02:27:35SOME GOOD. I'M AWARE OF THAT. BUT I'M BEGINNING TO BELIEVE
02:27:39DOES IT, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN
02:27:40PARTY, DOES IT DO ANY GOOD
02:27:44OVERALL? BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE STILL STRUGGLE? YEAH. I
02:27:47MEAN, YOU AND SOME PEOPLE, YOU COULDN'T EVEN IMAGINE LIVING
02:27:50OFF $1,000 AND SOME CHANGE A
02:27:52MONTH AT $24 STAMPS. AND THEN
02:27:54THEY SAY, THIS IS THE GREATEST
02:27:57COUNTRY. I SEE MY PARENTS
02:28:00STRUGGLE. THEIR PARENTS STRUGGLE
02:28:02IT'S A CONTINUED 2026. AND
02:28:05SOMETIMES WE GET TO A PLACE LIKE
02:28:08EVEN WANT TO VOTE NO MORE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL STRUGGLING.
02:28:11>> WELL, THERE'S SOME GOOD PEOPLE COMING UP. >> I TRIED DOLLAR. EVERY NOW AND
02:28:15THEN, MAYBE I HIT THE LOTTERY
02:28:16AND HAVE A HOUSE LEAVE TO BUT
02:28:21YEAH, IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING. DON'T GIVE UP. >> THERE ARE REALLY SOME GOOD
02:28:24PEOPLE COMING UP. WE'VE GOT SOME YOUNG PROGRESSIVES WHO ARE
02:28:27COMING UP AND, YOU KNOW.
02:28:30>> THERE ARE SOME GOOD PEOPLE
02:28:34UP. AND CAN THEY DO IT BY
02:28:36THEMSELVES? SHOULD WE STILL BE STRUGGLING IN 2026?
02:28:40>> WE SHOULDN'T BE. BUT, YOU
02:28:42KNOW, WE'VE HAD 45 YEARS OF REPUBLICAN NEOLIBERAL RULE,
02:28:46ESSENTIALLY. AND IT HAS JUST GUTTED THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS. AND WE'VE GOT TO BUILD
02:28:50THE MIDDLE CLASS BACK. WE NEED WE NEED TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE
02:28:53THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNTRY. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT
02:28:56THIS YEAR. BUT EVEN IN YOUR TOWN IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, WHERE I
02:29:00USED TO LIVE, WHO ARE, WHO ARE. >> JON OSSOFF.
02:29:04>> YEAH, YEAH. FOR SURE. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME GOOD PEOPLE, SO
02:29:06DON'T GIVE UP. MARIA. DON'T, DON'T GIVE UP. WE STILL NEED TO
02:29:10BE. WE NEED TO GO DOWN FIGHTING. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN. I THINK WITHIN THE NEXT
02:29:14THREE YEARS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A MAJOR TRANSFORMATION HERE IN
02:29:17THIS COUNTRY. MARIA I GOT TO RUN. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CALL AND THANKS FOR WATCHING US.
02:29:20>> YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE THOM
02:29:21HARTMANN PROGRAM. CALL 202 808
02:29:259925. >> 27 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR.
02:29:27I'LL BE BACK WITH YOU. AND, UH. AND WITH STEPHEN VLADECK ON THE
02:29:31OTHER SIDE OF THE BREAK. STAY
02:29:35TUNED.
02:29:36>> [MUSIC]
02:29:49>> TRUMP THREATENS CANADA WITH WORSE CONSEQUENCES. RUBIO MOVES
02:29:51TO REVOKE 200,000 VISAS. ICE
02:29:56BUYS ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES, JEFFRIES DEFENDS HIS KUSHNER MEETING, AND A MYSTERY JET LANDS
02:30:00IN MOSCOW. GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE COMMONWEALTH REPORT. NEWS
02:30:03FOR THE PUBLIC, NOT THE
02:30:05POWERFUL. FOLLOW US AT COMMONWEALTH REPORT.NEWS. IS
02:30:09TRUMP READY TO PUNISH CANADA BECAUSE DOUG FORD WON'T BOW? TRADE TALKS WITH CANADA
02:30:13COLLAPSED AND TRUMP SPENT MONDAY MELTING DOWN ON HIS NAZI
02:30:16INFESTED SOCIAL MEDIA SITE. HE
02:30:18WENT AFTER ONTARIO PREMIER DOUG
02:30:21FORD, CALLING HIM THE. THE LESS CHARISMATIC AND UNIMPRESSIVE
02:30:25BROTHER OF THE LATE TORONTO MAYOR ROB FORD. FORD HAD
02:30:28THREATENED TO CUT OFF
02:30:29ELECTRICITY TO THE UNITED STATES OVER TRUMP'S TARIFFS ON
02:30:33CANADA'S AUTO INDUSTRY. FORD SAYS ONTARIO POWERS 1.5 MILLION
02:30:36HOMES AND BUSINESSES ACROSS THE BORDER, AND EVERYTHING IS ON THE
02:30:39TABLE. HE ALSO TOLD CTV THAT
02:30:41TRUMP COULD KISS HIS BACKSIDE AND CALLED HIM THE KING OF
02:30:45BANKRUPTCIES. TRUMP FIRED BACK THAT AMERICA HAS BEEN CARRYING
02:30:49CANADA FOR DECADES, MOCKED PRIME MINISTER MARK CARNEY AS GOVERNOR
02:30:52AND WARNED THAT THE CONSEQUENCES FOR CANADA WILL BE FAR WORSE.
02:30:56HERE'S WHAT MATTERS OUR CLOSEST
02:30:59ALLY AND LONGEST TRADING, BIGGEST TRADING PARTNER IS GETTING BULLIED AND WORKING
02:31:03FAMILIES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT
02:31:05BORDER PAY THE TARIFF BILL. MARCO RUBIO MOVES TO REVOKE 200
02:31:09000 VISAS IN THE BIGGEST PURGE EVER. THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS
02:31:13GETTING READY TO CANCEL THE BUSINESS AND TOURISM VISAS OF UP
02:31:16TO 200 000 PEOPLE WHO'VE APPLIED
02:31:18FOR ASYLUM HERE. IF IT HAPPENS, IT'S THE LARGEST SINGLE MASS
02:31:22REVOCATION OF VISAS IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THE AP GOT THE
02:31:25DOCUMENTS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
02:31:27B-1 AND B-2 VISAS ISSUED BETWEEN
02:31:302016 AND 2026. AND THE WHOLE
02:31:32THING RUNS THROUGH HOMELAND SECURITY DEPUTY SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER LANDAU SAYS PEOPLE
02:31:36ARE, QUOTE, FED UP WITH BOGUS ASYLUM CLAIMS. MOST WON'T BE
02:31:40DEPORTED RIGHT AWAY. THEY'LL JUST BE RECLASSIFIED AND STRIPPED OF THEIR TRAVEL STATUS.
02:31:44STATES ALREADY YANKED ABOUT
02:31:47175,000 VISAS IN 18 MONTHS, INCLUDING FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE
02:31:50CRITICIZED AMERICAN FOREIGN
02:31:52POLICY. ASYLUM IS A LEGAL RIGHT WRITTEN INTO AMERICAN LAW,
02:31:55PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR USING. IT
02:31:57TURNS IT INTO A TRAP. WHY DOES
02:32:01ICE NEED $20 MILLION WORTH OF ELECTRIC SHOCK GLOVES? ICE WANTS
02:32:05TO SPEND UP TO $20 MILLION OUTFITTING OFFICERS WITH GLOVES
02:32:09THAT DELIVER ELECTRIC SHOCKS ON CONTACT. THEY'RE CALLED GLOVES
02:32:12GENERATED LOW OUTPUT VOLTAGE
02:32:15EMITTERS MADE BY A KENTUCKY COMPANY CALLED COMPLIANT
02:32:18TECHNOLOGIES. PRESS A HIDDEN BUTTON ON THE WRIST, TOUCH A
02:32:20BARE SKIN, AND THE CURRENT DOES
02:32:22THE REST. AROUND 320 TO 380V.
02:32:26THE MANUAL WARNS AGAINST USING THEM ON THE ELDERLY, SMALL CHILDREN, PREGNANT WOMEN, AND
02:32:29DISABLED PEOPLE, A PENDING LAWSUIT SAYS. A 43 YEAR OLD MAN
02:32:33DIED IN A RICHMOND, KENTUCKY,
02:32:35JAIL IN 2024 AFTER BEING SHOT
02:32:38SHOCKED 27 TIMES WITH THE GLOVES
02:32:40AND 13 MORE TIMES WITH A TASER.
02:32:43TWO OF THOSE SHOCKS RAN 45 AND
02:32:4599 SECONDS. THE ACLU'S JEN ROLNICK BORCHETTA SAYS TO ICE
02:32:49IS, QUOTE, TOO QUICK TO USE
02:32:51FORCE. A CONCEALED PAIN BUTTON
02:32:53ON A FEDERAL AGENTS HAND IS NOT DE-ESCALATION, IT'S TORTURE.
02:32:57WITH A BADGE. HAKEEM JEFFRIES
02:33:01SCRAMBLES AFTER HIS SECRET SIT DOWN WITH JARED KUSHNER HAS REVEALED. THE NEW YORK TIMES
02:33:03REPORTED THAT HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES MET
02:33:07PRIVATELY WITH JARED KUSHNER IN NEW YORK, SET UP BY A MUTUAL FRIEND TO TALK HOUSING,
02:33:11IMMIGRATION IN THE COST OF LIVING. TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE
02:33:14KNOWS DEMOCRATS MIGHT TAKE THE HOUSE AND WANTS A WORKING
02:33:17RELATIONSHIP BEFORE THAT
02:33:20HAPPENS. PROGRESSIVES WENT OFF. JAMES CARVILLE EXPLODED. OTHERS
02:33:23SAID JEFFRIES NEEDS TO GO. MONDAY NIGHT, HE POSTED A VIDEO
02:33:26SAYING NO ONE FROM THE TRUMP CARTEL IS GETTING A PASS.
02:33:29KUSHNER ASKED FOR THE MEETING, JEFFRIES SAYS, AND HE TOOK IT TO
02:33:32TALK ABOUT AN AFFORDABILITY
02:33:34CRISIS THAT ISN'T A HOAX. HE PROMISED. DEMOCRATS WILL FOLLOW
02:33:38THE FACTS AND HOLD THE CROOKS ACCOUNTABLE. STARTING DAY ONE, AND POINTED TO PAM BONDI AND
02:33:42KRISTI NOEM BEING GONE. VOTERS DIDN'T ASK FOR COMMON GROUND,
02:33:45WITH THE FAMILY CASHING IN. THEY
02:33:47WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. IS TRUMP'S
02:33:50EPA ABOUT TO HIDE DATA CENTER POLLUTION FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? RIGHT NOW, THE
02:33:53CLEAN AIR ACT MAKES MINOR POLLUTION. POLLUTERS TELL THE
02:33:57PUBLIC, THROUGH STATE AGENCIES, HOW MUCH POLLUTION A NEW PROJECT
02:34:00WILL DUMP INTO THE AIR. TRUMP'S EPA WANTS TO KILL THAT FOR DATA
02:34:04CENTERS. DISCLOSURE BECOMES
02:34:07VOLUNTARY, LEFT TO STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO ARE BUSY
02:34:09COMPETING FOR BIG TECH MONEY. DATA CENTERS PUMP OUT NITROGEN
02:34:13OXIDE, CARBON MONOXIDE, AND HEAVY METALS FROM DOZENS OF
02:34:16DIESEL GENERATORS AND GAS TURBINES. DEVELOPERS ALREADY
02:34:19CHOPPED THEIR PERMITS UP GENERATOR BY GENERATOR TO STAY
02:34:23UNDER THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD AND DODGE FEDERAL REVIEW. FORMER EPA
02:34:27AIR CHIEF JOE GOFFMAN SAYS THE CLEAN AIR ACT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
02:34:30AN IRONCLAD PROMISE. WELL, IF YOU CAN'T FIND OUT WHAT YOU'RE
02:34:33BREATHING, YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT IN COURT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S
02:34:36THE WHOLE POINT. MYSTERY ALERT, WHOSE JET JUST LANDED IN MOSCOW
02:34:40AND WHO WAS ON BOARD. HERE'S ONE THAT NOBODY AND TWO GOVERNMENTS WILL EXPLAIN. EARLY
02:34:44TUESDAY MORNING, A U.S. AIR
02:34:48FORCE C-17 GLOBEMASTER CALLSIGN CH4555 LIFTED, LIFTED OFF FROM
02:34:51RIGA, LATVIA, AND TOUCHED DOWN
02:34:54AT VNUKOVO AIRPORT OUTSIDE MOSCOW, JUST AFTER 10:00 IN THE
02:34:57MORNING LOCAL TIME. THE FLIGHT
02:35:00PLAN LISTED NO DESTINATION BEFORE RIGA. THE PLAN CAME FROM JOINT BASE ANDREWS IN MARYLAND,
02:35:05HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE. RUSSIAN ACCOUNTS POSTED VIDEO OF A
02:35:08MOTORCADE RACING THROUGH THE CITY AND THE KREMLIN, AND YOU
02:35:12GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV OR ASKED THE KREMLIN. YOU GET NOTHING. DMITRY PESKOV SAYS HE
02:35:16HAS NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE AIRCRAFT, AND NO MEETINGS ARE
02:35:19PLANNED THIS WEEK. ASKED THE PENTAGON, THE WHITE HOUSE OR EITHER EMBASSY, AND YOU GET
02:35:22SILENCE. STEVE WITKOFF AND JARED KUSHNER JUST POSTPONED A MOSCOW
02:35:26TRIP. SO WHO FLEW A MILITARY
02:35:30TRANSPORT INTO VLADIMIR PUTIN'S CAPITAL? AND WHY WON'T ANYBODY
02:35:33SAY? AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
02:35:36TODAY. TUESDAY, AUGUST 25th,
02:35:382026. I'M TOM HARTMANN.
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02:37:142026. TODAY, A COLLECTION OF
02:37:18CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY SCRUTINIZED IMPORTANT ISSUES.
02:37:20>> HE IS AN ATTORNEY. UM, UH,
02:37:25UH, A ACTUALLY, STEPHEN IS ALSO
02:37:27A, UH, UH, LET ME CLICK ABOUT R
02:37:31YOU'RE A, YOU'RE A PROFESSOR OF
02:37:35LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, RIGHT? >> UH, SO I WAS A TEXAS, I'M NOW
02:37:39AT GEORGETOWN. >> OH, AT GEORGETOWN. COOL. I,
02:37:41YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, I READ YOUR NEWSLETTER,
02:37:45UH, STEVE IS THE AUTHOR OF ONE FIRST, WHICH IS A GREAT
02:37:47NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK. HIS
02:37:50WEBSITE IS STEVE VLADECK,
02:37:55STEVEVLADECK.COM. AND, UH, JUST AN ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT PIECE
02:37:59HERE. AND YOU AND YOU HAD SOME
02:38:01REALLY THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL OBSERVATIONS ON THIS SUPREME
02:38:04COURT DECISION AROUND TRUMP'S EFFORTS TO STOP US FROM VOTING
02:38:07BY MAIL. BASICALLY, YOU WANT TO TELL US ABOUT IT?
02:38:11>> SURE, TOM. I MEAN, I THINK THE THE TRICKY PART IS THAT A NUMBER OF OUTLETS, WHEN THIS
02:38:14RULING CAME DOWN YESTERDAY
02:38:16AFTERNOON, REPORTED IT AS THE SUPREME COURT CLEARING THE WAY
02:38:19FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP TO INTERFERE WITH MAIL BALLOTS IN THE
02:38:21NOVEMBER ELECTION. UM, AND, YOU
02:38:23KNOW, AS PROBLEMATIC AS I THINK THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION
02:38:27WAS, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE COURT DID. UM, THERE'S STILL A
02:38:30SEPARATE RULING IN A DIFFERENT CASE THAT IS BLOCKING PRESIDENT
02:38:33TRUMP'S EXECUTIVE ORDER ABOUT MAIL IN BALLOTS FROM GOING INTO
02:38:36EFFECT. AND ALSO, THERE IS
02:38:39LITIGATION, PERHAPS AS SOON AS TODAY, THAT'S GOING TO RESULT
02:38:43IN A YET THIRD INJUNCTION BLOCKING THE RULE THAT THE U.S.
02:38:46POSTAL SERVICE PUT OUT LAST FRIDAY, PURPORTING TO IMPLEMENT THAT ORDER. SO IT'S JUST TRYING
02:38:50TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND THAT THE SUPREME COURT INTERVENED IN
02:38:54A WAY THAT WAS HELPFUL FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT THAT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF
02:38:57LITIGATION BETWEEN WHERE WE ARE
02:38:59RIGHT NOW AND THIS REALLY
02:39:03PROBLEMATIC EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THIS REALLY PROBLEMATIC RULE FROM GOING INTO EFFECT.
02:39:06>> WELL, WHEN I READ THE PARTICULARLY KETANJI BROWN
02:39:10JACKSON'S, UH DISSENT,
02:39:13ESSENTIALLY IN THIS, UH, IT
02:39:16SOUNDS LIKE THIS WAS JUST AN OFF THE WALL, JUST THIS, THIS
02:39:20ITSELF, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE POINTING OUT, IS NOT
02:39:22THAT HUGE A DEAL RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT THIS WAS OFF THE WALL. I
02:39:26MEAN, SHOULD WE EXPECT MORE OFF THE WAY I REALIZE IT'S NOT A
02:39:28LEGAL TERM, BUT YEAH,
02:39:32>> IT'S, IT'S THE SUPREME COURT IN 2026. I THINK WE'VE LEFT A
02:39:34LOT OF LEGAL TERMS BY THE
02:39:36WAYSIDE. INDEED. UM, SO I, I
02:39:39THINK, TOM, THE SHORT ANSWER IS,
02:39:42UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM THE SUPREME COURT OTHER
02:39:45THAN THAT THE COURT IS SUPREMELY
02:39:48CONFIDENT IN ITS ABILITY TO RESOLVE THESE CASES. AND SO I
02:39:52THINK THE, THE REAL MORAL OF THE STORY HERE IS THAT THE
02:39:54LITIGATION ABOUT PRESIDENT
02:39:56TRUMP'S EFFORT TO NOT KILL MAIL IN VOTING, BUT TO LIMIT IT TO
02:40:00BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, PREVENT THE POSTAL SERVICE FROM DELIVERING
02:40:04BALLOTS TO FOLKS WHO DON'T SHOW
02:40:06UP ON THE RIGHT LISTS OF
02:40:10CITIZENS. THAT LITIGATION IS STILL ONGOING. AND WHAT THE SUPREME COURT RULED YESTERDAY IS
02:40:13JUST THAT ONE SET OF CHALLENGES TO THAT EXECUTIVE ORDER, BROUGHT
02:40:17BY 23 BLUE STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA WERE
02:40:21PREMATURE. UM, AND BASICALLY
02:40:22THAT THEY HAD FILED TOO EARLY. TOM. NOW, THE QUESTION IS RIGHT.
02:40:26IT'S NOT TOO EARLY ANYMORE. THE
02:40:28POSTAL SERVICE PUT OUT ITS RULE ON FRIDAY. THIS IS NOW WHAT THE
02:40:31LAWYERS WOULD CALL A RIPE CHALLENGE. AND SO WHEN NOT IF
02:40:34THIS GOES BACK TO THE SUPREME COURT, I THINK THE QUESTION IS,
02:40:37WILL THE JUSTICES ACTUALLY SAY
02:40:39ON THE MERITS THE GOVERNMENT'S
02:40:42ALLOWED TO DO THIS, OR WILL THEY ACTUALLY SAY WHAT I THINK IS THE RIGHT ANSWER, WHICH IS THE
02:40:46PRESIDENT, BY HIMSELF, HAS NO POWER TO INTERFERE WITH THE
02:40:49DISTRIBUTION OF BALLOTS, THE WAY THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE RULE PURPORTS TO.
02:40:53>> WELL, AND ISN'T THAT FAIRLY CLEAR IN THE CONSTITUTION,
02:40:56STEVE. >> IT IS. I MEAN, ARTICLE ONE,
02:40:59SECTION FOUR OF THE CONSTITUTION LEAVES THE RULES GOVERNING
02:41:02CONGRESSIONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS TO STATES. IN THE
02:41:06FIRST INSTANCE, CONGRESS CAN STEP IN. I MEAN, CONGRESS IS
02:41:09ALLOWED TO MAKE RULES TO GOVERN
02:41:11THE TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER OF
02:41:15CONGRESSIONAL AND PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. BUT, OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS PART
02:41:18OF WHY PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PUT SO MUCH EFFORT INTO TRYING TO
02:41:21GET CONGRESS TO PASS THE SO-CALLED SAVE AMERICA ACT. THIS
02:41:25IS JUST AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. AND
02:41:28SO IF THE SUPREME COURT, ON THE
02:41:30MERITS, UM, ACTUALLY CONFRONTS
02:41:33THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER TO DO
02:41:35THIS, I THINK EVEN THIS SUPREME COURT PROBABLY SAYS, NO, THE
02:41:39CONCERN IS WHETHER THE COURT WILL TRY TO INVENT SOME KIND OF
02:41:43PROCEDURAL CONTRIVANCE TO ALLOW
02:41:47THE EXECUTIVE ORDER TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION. TOM, WITHOUT REACHING THE MERITS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT FOLKS ARE WORRIED
02:41:51ABOUT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. >> YEAH. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S
02:41:54WHEN AMERICA BECOMES PUTIN'S RUSSIA, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU VOTE, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO
02:41:58VOTE. IF IF THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES OF YOU. UM.
02:42:01>> I THINK THIS THIS IS THIS IS THE CONCERN. AND I THINK, YOU
02:42:04KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT CONGRESS
02:42:06CAN REQUIRE STATES TO DOUBLE
02:42:09CHECK, YOU KNOW, WHO RECEIVES A MAIL IN BALLOT AND WHO VOTES BY MAIL IN BALLOT AGAINST SOME KIND
02:42:13OF FEDERAL LIST, IS A HARDER QUESTION, TOM. BUT WHETHER THE
02:42:16PRESIDENT CAN DO IT UNILATERALLY JUST SHOULD NOT BE.
02:42:19>> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON ON THE THE POSSIBILITY THAT I'VE
02:42:23HEARD FLOATED THAT THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STURM AND
02:42:26DRANG THAT'S GOING TO SIGNIFY NOTHING. AND IN THE MOMENT, BUT
02:42:29REALLY, WHAT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO SET UP
02:42:33IS THE 2028 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
02:42:37>> I THINK THAT'S DISTINCTLY POSSIBLE. I ALSO THINK IT'S PART
02:42:40OF JUST THIS BROADER PROJECT TO
02:42:43SOW MORE DOUBT ABOUT OUR ELECTIONS AND THEIR INTEGRITY IN
02:42:46GENERAL, RIGHT? THAT EVEN IF THIS PARTICULAR ORDER AND THIS
02:42:49EFFORT BACKFIRES, OR IT'S ULTIMATELY BLOCKED BY THE
02:42:52COURTS, YOU STILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE MEDIA COVERAGE OF CONCERNS
02:42:56ABOUT MAIL IN BALLOTS, RIGHT?
02:42:58CONCERNS THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN SERIOUSLY SUBSTANTIATED,
02:43:01CONCERNS ABOUT NONCITIZEN VOTING WHEN THE ACTUAL NUMBERS ARE SO
02:43:05SMALL AS TO REALLY SUGGEST THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A SOLUTION IN
02:43:08SEARCH OF A PROBLEM. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, 2028 IS OBVIOUSLY ONE THING TO BE
02:43:12WORRIED ABOUT HERE. ALTHOUGH IF THERE'S A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE
02:43:15BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THAT COULD
02:43:16GO A LONG WAY TOWARD ABATING, THOSE CONCERNS. I THINK THE
02:43:20BIGGER PROBLEM IS JUST MORE OF
02:43:22THIS SORT OF GENERAL EFFORT TO DELEGITIMIZE THE LEGITIMACY, THE
02:43:26FAIRNESS, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS IN GENERAL, SO
02:43:30THAT IF AND WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
02:43:33LOSES WRIGHT, IF AND WHEN REPUBLICANS LOSE, THE NARRATIVE
02:43:36IS NOT, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW,
02:43:38DEMOCRATS WON FAIR AND SQUARE. THE NARRATIVE IS SOMETHING NEFARIOUS AND MISCHIEVOUS
02:43:42HAPPENED. >> LIKE IN 2020. >> YEAH, EXACTLY.
02:43:45>> SO YEAH. YEAH. REMARKABLE. SO
02:43:48IS THERE, UH, I THINK IT FEELS
02:43:50TO ME LIKE WE'RE KIND OF
02:43:53REDUCED TO THE, TO THE POSITION OF BEING PASSIVE OBSERVERS,
02:43:56GIVEN THAT MOST OF THIS IS HAPPENING VIS A VIS THE SUPREME
02:43:59COURT, IS THERE ANY ACTION THAT
02:44:03INDIVIDUAL VOTERS, INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS, CAN TAKE TO,
02:44:06TO, UH, TO HELP BLOCK THESE KIND
02:44:08OF THINGS OR RESOLVE THIS ISSUE
02:44:11OR RETURN SOME FAITH TO OUR SYSTEM? >> SO I THINK FOR THE MOMENT,
02:44:15THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, WE'RE ALL GOING TO VOTE COME NOVEMBER. AND I THINK,
02:44:19YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE, ALL OF THIS
02:44:22SHOULD JUST LEAD US TO HAVE A PLAN TO DOUBLE CHECK OUR PLAN,
02:44:25TO NOT LEAVE IT FOR THE LAST MINUTE TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRUDENT
02:44:28ABOUT WHAT THE RULES ARE IN OUR
02:44:31JURISDICTION FOR WHEN AND HOW YOU VOTE. UM, AND THEN ONCE WE
02:44:33VOTE, TOM, TO PUSH THE FOLKS WHO
02:44:36WE ELECT TO ACTUALLY PURSUE MORE LONG LASTING STRUCTURAL REFORMS
02:44:40THAT WILL MAKE IT HARDER FOR FUTURE PRESIDENTS OF ANY STRIPE
02:44:44TO TRY TO ASSERT THESE KINDS OF UNILATERAL POWERS. I THINK
02:44:47THAT'S, THAT'S GOT TO BE THE PROCESS HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE FOLKS AT HOME, I THINK, CAN REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
02:44:50>> THERE YOU GO, STEVE. STEVE
02:44:53VLADECK, AN ATTORNEY. HIS NEWSLETTER ON SUBSTACK IS ONE
02:44:56FIRST. UH, YOU CAN AND THE
02:44:58WEBSITE IS STEVE VLADECK
02:45:01VLADECK, PROFESSOR OF LAW AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY. STEVE, THANKS SO MUCH FOR DROPPING BY.
02:45:05I LEARNED A LOT. THANK YOU. >> THANKS, TOM. THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
02:45:09>> GREAT. GREAT TO TALK WITH YOU. GREAT MEETING YOU. IT'S 43 MINUTES
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02:45:51>> AND WELCOME BACK, RON IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, CALIFORNIA. HEY, RON, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
02:45:54TODAY RON IN HUNTINGTON BEACH,
02:46:02CALIFORNIA >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> OH, YEAH. THERE YOU ARE. CAN
02:46:06YOU HEAR ME? WERE YOU MUTED? >> OH.
02:46:08>> PERFECT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS
02:46:11MUTED, BUT, UH, I'M NOT MUTED. ANYMORE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH
02:46:14FOR TAKING MY CALL. >> SURE
02:46:17>> WHAT I WANTED TO GET TO AND WHAT I SPOKE WITH YOUR SCREENER
02:46:21ABOUT WAS, UH, THIS JOKE ABOUT,
02:46:26UH, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION POSTING ON LINKEDIN, UH, TOUTING
02:46:29THAT THEIR, UH, CONTINUING THIS
02:46:34PROGRAM, WHICH THAT'S GREAT. IT'S FORGIVABLE LOANS. >> FOR PELL GRANTS.
02:46:37>> I THINK IT'S, YEAH, 7500,
02:46:40SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> YEAH. >> AND DATE BACK TO JIMMY
02:46:44CARTER, AS I RECALL.
02:46:45>> YEAH. AND I'VE, I'VE POSTED
02:46:48ABOUT UH, IN DIRECT RESPONSE TO
02:46:54THEIR RIDICULOUS GUESS, FOR LACK
02:47:00OF A BETTER TERM, SAYING, YOU KNOW, AMERICA NEEDS TO DO BETTER
02:47:03THAN THIS. AND THEN
02:47:05CONSERVATIVELY, TOM, I'M THEN
02:47:10I'M GOING TO TAKE AIR. BUT
02:47:15BASICALLY, UH THE DICHOTOMY
02:47:20BETWEEN OUR FUNDING FOR, UH
02:47:27DEFENSE BEING ABOUT $1 TRILLION
02:47:30NOW AND OUR FUNDING FOR
02:47:32EDUCATION, WHICH IS MAYBE ABOUT
02:47:3569, 70 BILLION. AND WITH THE,
02:47:37UH, WITH THE SALARIES OF EACH OF
02:47:41THOSE SECRETARIES BEING, I THINK IT'S LIKE 250 GRAND A YEAR,
02:47:44WHICH THAT'S FINE. UM, I.
02:47:47>> I JUST WANT HOW RIDICULOUS IS
02:47:50THIS? AND WHY CAN'T WE WRITE
02:47:53THIS IN THE, IN THE U.S. BUDGET
02:47:55EVERY YEAR? IF ANYONE NEEDS A
02:47:58EDUCATION, ANYONE WANTS EDUCATION, THEY SHOULD HAVE A
02:48:01RIGHT TO. AND WE SHOULD WRITE IT IN THE BUDGET EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
02:48:05>> YEAH. THE WAR ON EDUCATION REALLY STARTED WITH THE REAGAN
02:48:08ADMINISTRATION, WHEN HE PUT BILL BENNETT IN CHARGE OF THE EDUCATION DEPARTMENT. BILL
02:48:12BENNETT, THE GUY WHO FAMOUSLY WENT ON ABC TELEVISION AND SAID,
02:48:16IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE CRIME PROBLEM IN AMERICA, JUST ABORT
02:48:19EVERY BLACK BABY. BILL BENNETT. >> OH MY GOD.
02:48:23>> YEAH, HE REALLY DID. AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN FIND, YOU CAN. IN FACT, I'VE PLAYED THE CLIP ON,
02:48:26ON THE PROGRAM A NUMBER OF TIMES. IT'S DISGUSTING. BUT
02:48:29IT'S OUT THERE. YOU CAN EASILY FIND IT. UM, HE WAS THE GUY
02:48:32ALSO. WHO, WHO CUT, UH, CUT
02:48:36EDUCATION FUNDING, UH, BY ABOUT 20%, I THINK IT WAS 18% CUT IN
02:48:39THE FIRST YEAR OF THE REAGAN ADMINISTRATION FOR FEDERAL
02:48:42SUPPORT FOR SCHOOLS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. UM, WHEN REAGAN
02:48:45CAME INTO OFFICE, 80% OF THE COST OF GOING TO COLLEGE WAS
02:48:49PAID FOR BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, AND 20% WAS YOUR
02:48:52TUITION, WHICH IS WHY YOU COULD GO TO COLLEGE FOR 500 BUCKS A
02:48:55SEMESTER. UM, NOW IT'S 80% OF YOUR TUITION, AND ONLY 20% IS
02:48:59COVERED BY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO, AND BILL BENNETT
02:49:03WAS ALSO THE GUY WHO GUTTED FUNDING FOR CIVICS PROGRAMS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS ALL AROUND THE
02:49:07COUNTRY. REPUBLICANS JUST DON'T WANT A WELL-EDUCATED POPULACE.
02:49:11THEY KNOW THAT THEY DO POORLY WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOOD
02:49:13EDUCATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW, DONALD TRUMP FAMOUSLY SAID, I LOVE THE POORLY EDUCATED.
02:49:17THAT'S WHY. AND SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MYSTERY HERE,
02:49:21RON. WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED WE
02:49:25NEED TO GET BACK TO THIS IDEA THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO THINGS AND HAS A ROLE IN
02:49:28DOING THINGS AND CAN SERVE THE PEOPLE, SOMETHING THAT REPUBLICANS HATE, BECAUSE THAT
02:49:32MEANS THAT YOU HAVE TO TAX BILLIONAIRES TO PAY FOR IT, AND
02:49:35THEY'RE UNWILLING TO DO THAT. SO, RON, I GOTTA RUN. BUT THANKS
02:49:38FOR THE CALL. GREAT POINTS. GOOD
02:49:40TALKING TO YOU. IT'S 47 MINUTES
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02:51:20SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II. >> IN AUBURN, WASHINGTON. HEY,
02:51:24LINDA, WHAT'S UP?
02:51:28>> YES, I WANTED TO. I JUST
02:51:30OCCURRED TO ME TODAY THAT, UM,
02:51:34PROGRESSIVES COULD HAVE SORT OF
02:51:37BROUGHT TRUMP AND SOMEBODY LIKE
02:51:39HIM INTO POWER BY, , JUST STAND
02:51:41ON ABORTIONS WITH THE PLANNED
02:51:44PARENTHOOD, BECAUSE WE ALREADY
02:51:47HAD A LARGE POPULATION OF CATHOLICS THAT CAME IN AFTER THE
02:51:51CIVIL WAR. AND THEN THEY DON'T
02:51:54SUPPORT ABORTION. SO THEY WERE, I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAD HER
02:51:57CHILD AT AGE 18, GOT PREGNANT,
02:52:02AND THE FATHER, THE FATHER OF THE CHILD WANTED TO GET MARRIED,
02:52:06BUT THE MOTHER DIDN'T FEEL GOOD
02:52:08ABOUT THIS YOUNG MAN. SO THEY HAD THE BABY PUT UP FOR
02:52:12ADOPTION. THEY HAD HER BROUGHT TO STAY WITH NUNS, HAVE THE
02:52:16BABY, YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY. WHAT'S YOUR POINT? MONEY OFF OF
02:52:19THAT DEAL. >> SO I DOUBT.
02:52:22>> A LOT OF THE SO ANYWAY, A LOT
02:52:28OF THE BABIES THAT HAVE GOTTEN ABORTED ARE IN POORER
02:52:31NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A LOT OF THEM ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN. IN THE
02:52:34PAST. WELL, THEY COULD HAVE BEEN
02:52:36RAISED CATHOLICS COULD, YOU
02:52:40KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY. >> LINDA, NOT EVERY CATHOLIC IS
02:52:44ANTI-ABORTION. IN FACT, MOST CATHOLICS NOW NO LONGER HAVE
02:52:46LARGE FAMILIES LIKE THEY USED TO
02:52:48HAVE. SO I, I, I'M NOT REAL CONCERNED. RON AND HAMILTON
02:52:52FIELD, CALIFORNIA. HEY, RON, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
02:52:56>> WELL.
02:52:59>> ASKING THE WORLD TO SANCTION
02:53:01IRAN AND SUCH CAN'T HAVE ANY
02:53:03LIFE WHEN THEY HAVE A TRAIN
02:53:06PARTNER. BEING CHINA, AND THAT WOULD AFFECT CHINA IN A VERY
02:53:10NEGATIVE WAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT
02:53:11IT. SO MY QUESTION IS, THESE
02:53:14NATIONS AROUND THE WORLD THAT WON'T THIS THREAT, IF YOU
02:53:18DON'T FOLLOW US AND TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE WANT YOU TO DO,
02:53:21YOU'RE OUT OF OUR PICTURE
02:53:24SOMEHOW. WHERE IS THERE INCENTIVE NOW TO BE SELF
02:53:27PROTECTED? WILL THIS EXTEND THE NUCLEAR FIELD BEYOND ANYTHING WE
02:53:31HAD IN IMAGINATION? FOR WE. THIS
02:53:34GOES BACK TO WHEN WE FIRST
02:53:37STARTED WITH NUCLEAR ENERGY AND THE WEAPONRY OF IT. WHERE ARE
02:53:40WE? HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU HOW DO
02:53:42YOU CONTEND WITH THAT? BEYOND IN
02:53:46THE ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS? >> I THINK YOU MAKE A REALLY
02:53:48GOOD POINT, RON. I MEAN, TRUMP AND BESSENT YESTERDAY BASICALLY
02:53:52SAID, WE CAN'T BEAT IRAN MILITARILY, SO WE'RE GOING TO
02:53:56TRY TO BEAT THEM ECONOMICALLY. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE,
02:54:00HOW'S THAT WORKED OUT WITH CUBA? RIGHT? FOR, FOR WHAT, 67 YEARS? I THINK IT IS THAT, YOU
02:54:04KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN EMBARGO ON THEM, AND THEY JUST KEEP THUMBING THEIR NOSE AT US. UM,
02:54:07OR SURVIVING. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE'RE COMMITTING A WAR CRIME TO
02:54:11BRING THEM DOWN. BUT, UM, BUT
02:54:13THE LARGER ISSUE IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT BESSENT SAID
02:54:16YESTERDAY, IF WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY IMPOSE SANCTIONS AND,
02:54:20AND DRACONIAN PENALTIES AGAINST COUNTRIES THAT CONTINUE TO TRADE
02:54:24WITH IRAN, CHINA IS IRAN'S
02:54:26LARGEST SINGLE TRADING PARTNER
02:54:29AND THE LARGEST CONSUMER OF
02:54:31THEIR OIL. AND IF WE TAKE ON
02:54:34CHINA IN THAT WAY, THEY WILL THEY WILL CRUSH DONALD TRUMP
02:54:37LIKE A BUG. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THEY THIS IS THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE
02:54:41NO WIN SITUATION. AND, YOU KNOW, WHICH ADDS TO THE EVIDENCE, I
02:54:44THINK, THAT DONALD TRUMP, ON
02:54:46BEHALF OF VLADIMIR PUTIN AND XI
02:54:49JINPING, IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES. SO THAT'S THE
02:54:53THAT'S THE GOP'S PROJECT RIGHT NOW, OR CERTAINLY THAT'S DONALD
02:54:57TRUMP'S PROJECT. MAKE AMERICANS SICKER. LET'S HAVE MEASLES
02:55:00EPIDEMICS. YOU KNOW, HE KILLED MORE. MORE PEOPLE DIED OF COVID IN THE UNITED STATES THAN ANY
02:55:04OTHER COUNTRY, OR AT LEAST THE SECOND WE WERE NUMBER TWO IN THE
02:55:07WORLD. BECAUSE, BECAUSE TRUMP
02:55:08HANDLED THE COVID PANDEMIC SO
02:55:12BADLY WHEN HE STOPPED FOLLOWING FAUCI'S ADVICE IN APRIL OF 2020. AND, AND JUST, YOU KNOW,
02:55:16TRIED TO THROW THE DOORS OPEN AND SUDDENLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
02:55:19WERE DYING LEFT AND RIGHT. I KNEW PEOPLE HAD DIED. AND MY BEST FRIEND DIED OF COVID. SO
02:55:23IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST MORE EVIDENCE THAT HE'S TRYING
02:55:27TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY ON
02:55:29BEHALF OF VLADIMIR PUTIN. AND
02:55:31THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY THE CIA DIRECTOR, JOHN
02:55:35RATCLIFFE, ARRIVING IN MOSCOW THIS MORNING, PROBABLY HAS
02:55:38SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT. RON, THANKS FOR THE CALL, STEVE AND ROSEWOOD, ROCKWOOD, OREGON. HEY,
02:55:41STEVE, WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND
02:55:44TODAY >> MY MIND TODAY. >> GO FOR IT.
02:55:47>> UM, I REMEMBER HEARING BACK IN THE 80s WHEN BUSH WAS
02:55:51STARTING TO MONKEY AROUND WITH
02:55:53SOCIAL SECURITY, THAT THEY WERE
02:55:56SOCIAL SECURITY COVERED 90% OF
02:55:59ALL, UH UH, AND SO I LOOKED IT
02:56:04UP TODAY AND YEAH, THERE WAS A
02:56:05LAW PASSED IN 1977 SAYING SOCIAL
02:56:09SECURITY DEPOSITS WERE SUPPOSED TO COVER 90% OF WAGES. UH, WE
02:56:13MET THAT ONE TIME. THAT WAS
02:56:181983. UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
02:56:19AND IT'S THAT 90% OF ALL WAGES
02:56:24HAVE TO HAVE, HAVE TO HAVE CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
02:56:28>> WHICH MEANS, WHICH IS JUST A FANCY WAY OF SAYING IN TODAY'S
02:56:31DOLLARS, 90% OF ALL WAGE EARNERS
02:56:36ARE EARNING $180,000 A YEAR OR LESS.
02:56:38>> NO. WELL, WHAT IT MEANS IS, IS THE WAGES THAT ARE PAID OUT,
02:56:4290% OF THEM ARE COVERED BY
02:56:43SOCIAL SECURITY. >> AND THE OTHER 10%, THE OTHER
02:56:4710% WOULD BE THE WAGES OVER $180,000 A YEAR, BECAUSE THEY'RE
02:56:51NO LONGER TAXED FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.
02:56:53>> WELL, ACTUALLY, WE'RE ONLY COLLECTING 83% OF THE OF THE
02:56:56WAGES THAT ARE BEING COVERED NOW
02:57:01AT $184,000. SO LET'S JUST DO AWAY WITH THE CAP.
02:57:03>> LET'S MAKE IT 100%. >> WELL, IF THEY, IF THE CAP IS
02:57:06AT 90%, IT WOULD BE $348,000.
02:57:12YEAH. >> YEAH. WELL, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT 100%. BUT, YOU KNOW,
02:57:15INTERESTING AND EXCELLENT POINT, STEVE. THANK YOU. ERIC. IN DULUTH, MINNESOTA. HEY, ERIC,
02:57:19WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND TODAY?
02:57:21>> I WANT TO SAY THAT I TOTALLY
02:57:25AGREE WITH YOUR SYNOPSIS ABOUT
02:57:28TRUMP BEING A DOUBLE AGENT. AND, UH, PUTIN HOLDING THE STRINGS.
02:57:32BUT I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S THE OIL CARTELS IN GENERAL. SO
02:57:35THERE'S SEVERAL SO-CALLED
02:57:39DIGNITARIES, PROBABLY JOINTLY HOLDING THE REINS WITH PUTIN IN
02:57:43CONTROLLING TRUMP, WHO IS TRYING TO THROW AMERICA UNDER THE BUS. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT
02:57:47SYNOPSIS. IT'S MY TAKE THAT.
02:57:49NOW. THE ACTION NEEDS TO BE IN
02:57:52FINDING A WAY TO GET HIM OUT OF
02:57:54THAT OFFICE WHERE HE CAN'T HURT AMERICA ANYMORE. AND THEN THIS
02:57:58BRINGS UP DOLLY PARTON. SO I
02:58:01LOVE DOLLY, AND I LOVE THOSE YEARS BEFORE PORTER WAGNER, WHEN
02:58:05SHE USED THAT VOICE. AND SHE WAS SO WONDERFUL. YEAH. YES. YOU'RE
02:58:09THE QUEEN OF THE HEARTLAND,
02:58:11COMPETING WITH REBA MCENTIRE IN THAT REGARD, AND I'LL LEAVE
02:58:14THAT ALONE. BUT WHAT YOU NEED TO
02:58:16DO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO, IS TO
02:58:19PURSUE THE STORIES OF THE PEOPLE TRUMP HAS DESTROYED. AND ONE OF
02:58:23THEM NEEDS A TRULY DEEP DIVE TO
02:58:27SEE WHERE THE MONEY GOES. UH, AND YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT WITH
02:58:31ANYBODY. IT'S GOT TO BE A DOLLY PARTON THAT EVERYONE UNIVERSALLY
02:58:34LOVES. SO DAN GOLDMAN JUST GOT
02:58:37PRIMARY ALEXANDER VINDMAN JUST
02:58:39GOT PRIMARIED. AND JASMINE CROCKETT JUST GOT PRIMARIED.
02:58:42THOSE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE
02:58:43THAT WERE INCUMBENTS. AND TRUMP
02:58:47TRULY DESPISED FOR SEPARATE REASONS. >> ERIC, I'M SORRY. I'M OUT OF
02:58:50TIME. I GOT TO RUN. BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CALL. AND I THINK,
02:58:53WELL SAID. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. WE'LL BE BACK TOMORROW. SAME TIME, SAME PLACE.
02:58:57IN THE MEANTIME, DON'T FORGET, DEMOCRACY IS NOT A SPECTATOR
02:59:00SPORT. IT REQUIRES YOU, REQUIRES ALL OF US. SO TAG. YOU'RE IT.
02:59:03GET OUT THERE. GET ACTIVE RIGHT. HAVE A GREAT AFTERNOON. BE GOOD
02:59:07TO YOURSELF AND THE FOLKS AROUND YOU. STAY SAFE. TAKE YOUR
02:59:10VITAMINS, EAT YOUR VEGGIES, GET YOUR EXERCISE. WE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO THIS FALL, AND I'LL
02:59:14CATCH UP WITH YOU TOMORROW.
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