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00:00:06JOIN C-SPAN 2 AT 6 P.M. EASTERN FOR MARATHON PROGRAMING, HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE MOST
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00:00:12MEMORABLE MOMENTS COVERED BY C-SPAN IN 2026. TODAY, A
00:00:16COLLECTION OF CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SHAPED POLICY
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00:00:22THE COUNTRY. WEDNESDAY, A LOOK AT THE EXPLORATION, INNOVATION,
00:00:25AND ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S
00:00:28POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM TO
00:00:32ARTEMIS II. THURSDAY, WE'LL AIR SOME OF THIS YEAR'S MOST
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00:00:41AND ON FRIDAY, SUPREME COURT JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES,
00:00:44THE CONSTITUTION, THE COURT, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON THE
00:00:48NATION'S HIGHEST COURT. WATCH A
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00:00:56C-SPAN. TWO.
00:00:59>> OUR GUEST NOW IS TOM NICHOLS. YOU PROBABLY KNOW HIM FROM HIS WORK AS A STAFF WRITER FOR THE
00:01:03ATLANTIC, OR FROM HIS SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS. YOU MAY KNOW HIM
00:01:06FROM HIS MANY BOOKS ON NATIONAL SECURITY AND AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
00:01:09YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT HE WAS A FIVE TIME JEOPARDY! CHAMPION
00:01:12BACK IN THE MID 1990s. BUT TOM NICHOLS, LET'S START AT THE
00:01:15INTERSECTION OF NATIONAL SECURITY AND ECONOMIC POWER.
00:01:18WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF OPERATION
00:01:21ECONOMIC OUTCAST? THIS LATEST ROUND OF ECONOMIC SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAN?
00:01:25>> WELL, THERE'S NOT MUCH LEFT
00:01:26TO SANCTION. AND IF YOU'RE NOT
00:01:31WILLING TO REALLY GO AFTER THE RUSSIANS AND THE CHINESE, AS THE
00:01:34PRESIDENT SEEMS UNWILLING TO DO,
00:01:35UM, NOT SURE WHAT THIS IS OTHER
00:01:39THAN ANOTHER SET OF ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM THE PRESIDENT, FROM THE SECRETARY OF
00:01:42THE TREASURY, KIND OF TRYING TO WISH SOMETHING INTO EXISTENCE TO
00:01:45SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE
00:01:47BIGGEST THIS IS THE ECONOMIC
00:01:49VERSION OF D-DAY. UM, BUT IT'S
00:01:52NOT. UM, NOW, YOU KNOW,
00:01:56DEFINITELY SANCTIONS ARE BITING IN IRAN. THEY HURT. OTHER PEOPLE
00:01:59ARE HUNGRY. UH, BUT I DON'T
00:02:03THINK THIS PARTICULAR REGIME CARES MUCH ABOUT THAT. UM,
00:02:07ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE FRIENDS IN POWERFUL PLACES IN OTHER CAPITALS, AUTHORITARIAN
00:02:11GOVERNMENTS REALLY DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORRYING TOO MUCH ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF THEIR
00:02:15PEOPLE. UM, BUT I ALSO THINK
00:02:18THAT, UH, THIS IS A KIND OF A
00:02:21LEAKY SET OF SANCTIONS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T INCLUDE SOME OF THE
00:02:25BIGGEST PLAYERS. I DON'T THINK THE CHINESE ARE GOING TO ENDANGER THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH
00:02:29IRAN OVER THIS, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. >> WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS A
00:02:32LEAKY SET OF SANCTIONS, SO WHAT WOULD IT MEAN? WHAT WOULD THAT
00:02:35ENTAIL? GOING AFTER THE CHINESE
00:02:37AND, AND, AND RUSSIA? WHAT WOULD YOU NEED TO SEE FOR THIS TO BE
00:02:41AN ECONOMIC D-DAY? >> UH, IT'D BE HARD. FIRST OF
00:02:44ALL, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE THE COOPERATION OF THOSE GOVERNMENTS. UM, IF WE'RE GOING
00:02:48TO STAY WITH THE D-DAY METAPHOR,
00:02:50UH, THAT WAS AN ALLIED
00:02:53OPERATION. UM, NOT ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, RELUCTANTLY DRAGGED IN
00:02:56SOME PEOPLE, WHILE OTHER PEOPLE
00:02:58SET IT OUT, UH, SOMEWHERE ELSE
00:03:01ON THE BEACH. UM, SO, YOU KNOW,
00:03:03WHAT WOULD IT TAKE? UH, I SUPPOSE IT WOULD TAKE TREATING
00:03:07CHINA THE WAY WE'RE TREATING CANADA RIGHT NOW. UM, YOU KNOW,
00:03:10ONE OF OUR CLOSEST FRIENDS AND
00:03:12ALLIES, UH, BUT I, I, I DON'T
00:03:14THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION
00:03:16HAS THE APPETITE FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMIC
00:03:20REVERBERATIONS THAT WOULD, WOULD
00:03:21HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:03:25CHINA GETS ENERGY FROM IRAN. UM, IT'S WORKING WITH THEM ON A LOT
00:03:29OF OTHER DIFFERENT LEVELS. I JUST DON'T SEE THE
00:03:33ADMINISTRATION, UM, TAKING THAT ON. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS, I
00:03:36THINK THEY RAN OUT OF MILITARY OPTIONS. AND SO THEY REPLACED
00:03:39ALL THE MILITARY LANGUAGE THEY WERE USING WITH ECONOMIC TERMS.
00:03:43AND THEY'RE HOPING THAT SOMEHOW
00:03:45THAT PRODUCES AN EFFECT, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT MIGHT,
00:03:49BUT THAT LOOKS DOUBTFUL RIGHT NOW. >> IS IT MORE EFFECTIVE WITH THE
00:03:51U.S. NAVAL BLOCKADE SITTING OFF
00:03:54OF IRANIAN PORTS? IS THIS
00:03:59SOMETHING THAT JUST TAKES TIME TO SQUEEZE, RATHER THAN SOME
00:04:02SORT OF MILITARY STRIKE? THAT
00:04:03WOULD BE, UH, QUICK AND DECISIVE?
00:04:07>> WELL, ONE THING WE KNOW, EXCUSE ME, FROM THE HISTORY OF SANCTIONS, UM, IN WHENEVER
00:04:11THEY'VE BEEN APPLIED, WE KNOW TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL,
00:04:14SANCTIONS TEND TO WORK BEST BETWEEN TWO COUNTRIES THAT
00:04:18ACTUALLY TRADE WITH EACH OTHER.
00:04:20UM, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SANCTION THAT CAN HURT THE
00:04:24OTHER, UH, THE OTHER PARTY. UM,
00:04:27AND GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WANT TO NEGOTIATE ABOUT. UM, THE
00:04:30OTHER THING WE KNOW ABOUT SANCTIONS IS THEY TAKE A LONG
00:04:32TIME, AND THAT, UM, AS A
00:04:35COROLLARY TO THAT, THEY TAKE A LONG TIME AND EVERY KIND OF
00:04:38EVERYBODY HAS TO BE IN ON IT.
00:04:40AND, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE THAT JUST LIKE WITH THE WAR ITSELF,
00:04:43I'M NOT SURE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS REALLY
00:04:47THOUGHT THIS OUT IN TERMS OF HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. UM, IF
00:04:50YOU'RE GOING TO BLOCKADE IRANIAN PORTS, WHAT ARE YOU BLOCKADING?
00:04:53WHICH SHIPS? UH, GET IN AND OUT.
00:04:56UH, AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO FIRE
00:04:58ON SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO
00:05:01FIND IF THERE'S A RUN OF THE BLOCKADE, WHO ARE YOU SHOOTING
00:05:04AT? UM, AND I JUST DON'T,
00:05:06AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THEY'VE REALLY THOUGHT THIS OUT. THEY
00:05:09KEEP SAYING THINGS AND KIND OF
00:05:12HOPING IT PRODUCES A STRATEGIC EFFECT. UM, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW,
00:05:15THIS WAS A WAR THAT WAS SUPPOSED
00:05:17TO BE OVER IN A WEEK, UH, SIX
00:05:21MONTHS AGO., >> IN THE PAGES OF TODAY'S USA
00:05:25TODAY, AVIVA COMPASS IS AN OPINION CONTRIBUTOR AND SAYS,
00:05:27WE'RE NOT TALKING ENOUGH ABOUT
00:05:29THIS MAJOR OUTCOME OF THE
00:05:31IRANIAN WAR. SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE DISRUPTION AND THE
00:05:35DISMANTLING OF THE ARMED PARTNERS TO IRAN, STRETCHING
00:05:38FROM LEBANON TO GAZA TO SYRIA, IRAQ AND YEMEN, THE SO-CALLED
00:05:42AXIS OF RESISTANCE. SHE SAYS THAT IRAN IS INCREASINGLY
00:05:46FINDING ITSELF DOING SOMETHING. IT SPENT DECADES TRYING TO
00:05:49AVOID, RELYING ON ITS OWN TERRITORY AND ITS OWN
00:05:51CAPABILITIES TO SUSTAIN THE CONFRONTATION, SAYING THAT
00:05:55DISMANTLING IS SOMETHING THAT
00:05:56SHOULD BE TALKED MORE ABOUT AND CELEBRATED.
00:06:00>> IT'S A POSITIVE EFFECT, BUT
00:06:02IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PERMANENT UNLESS THERE IS SOME KIND OF,
00:06:06UH, CHANGE IN THE REGIME, EITHER
00:06:10A WHOLESALE COLLAPSE OF THE REGIME, UM, OR SOME SORT OF
00:06:14CHANGE IN THEIR POSITION. AND IN FACT, THE IRANIAN POSITION SEEMS
00:06:17TO BE HARDENING. YEAH. IT'S GREAT THAT SOME OF THESE IRANIAN
00:06:19PROXIES ARE UNDER STRESS, UM, THAT THEY COULD BE DISARMED. YOU
00:06:24KNOW, THE OVERALL PICTURE, UM,
00:06:25WITH IRAN IS THAT IT'S MILITARILY WEAKER THAN IT WAS
00:06:29WHEN THE WAR STARTED. THE PROBLEM IS THAT IRAN IS IN A
00:06:32STRONGER STRATEGIC POSITION NOW.
00:06:35SO FOCUSING ON, YOU KNOW, WHICH
00:06:38PROXIES, UH, HAVE BEEN WEAKENED
00:06:41OR STRIPPED OF CAPABILITY, PERFECTLY REASONABLE THING TO
00:06:45THINK ABOUT. BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT AMERICANS ARE PROBABLY THINKING ABOUT IS THAT
00:06:49A DEDICATED ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES FUNCTIONALLY CONTROLS THE
00:06:52STRAIT OF HORMUZ, AND A BIG CHUNK OF THE WORLD'S GLOBAL
00:06:55ENERGY SUPPLY, AND, BY EXTENSION, A BIG PIECE OF THE
00:06:59GLOBAL ECONOMY. >> LET ME TURN FROM IRAN TO
00:07:02UKRAINE. A HEADLINE IN THE POST TODAY ON EUROPEAN LEADERS
00:07:05YESTERDAY MARKING UKRAINE'S 35th
00:07:08INDEPENDENCE DAY IN KYIV, WITH
00:07:12CEREMONIES THERE. WHAT'S YOUR
00:07:14SENSE OF THE STATUS OF OF THAT CONFLICT? THERE'S BEEN SOME
00:07:18REPORTS ABOUT MOVEMENT AND AND MOMENTUM FOR UKRAINIANS. HOW DO
00:07:22YOU READ WHAT'S GOING ON THERE RIGHT NOW IN A REGION THAT'S SO
00:07:25HARD TO READ
00:07:28>> YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WAS
00:07:29ONE OF THE, THE FOLKS THAT WAS
00:07:33REALLY WORRIED IN THAT FIRST MONTH THAT, UM, 150,000 RUSSIAN
00:07:36TROOPS ATTACKING ON THREE AXES
00:07:39OF ADVANCE, UM, WERE NOT GOING
00:07:43TO BE BOGGED DOWN VERY LONG IN UKRAINE. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT A
00:07:46RELATIVELY RAPID RUSSIAN
00:07:49VICTORY. UM, I THINK FOUR YEARS LATER, MORE THAN FOUR YEARS
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