CSPAN3 — Andrew Lyter Going Among English Sailors

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Maritime historian Andrew Lyter discussed his book on the nearly two dozen American sailors during the War of 1812 who served aboard the British Navy ship HMS Belvidera. This event was part of the 2025 History Book Festival in Lewes, Delaware.<br /><br />Sponsor: History Book Festival

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00:00:01PARTNERS. AMERICA 250. OVER A YEAR OF HISTORIC MOMENTS.
00:00:06C-SPAN, OFFICIAL MEDIA PARTNER OF AMERICA 250.
00:00:07>> SUNDAY ON C-SPAN'S Q AND A,
00:00:14TOWARD THE NEW YORK CITY OFFICE AND HOME LIBRARY OF PULITZER
00:00:17PRIZE WINNING BEST-SELLING BIOGRAPHER ROBERT CARO WHO IS
00:00:21CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE FINAL
00:00:22VOLUME OF HIS FIVE VOLUME BIOGRAPHY OF LYNDON JOHNSON.
00:00:26HE TALKS ABOUT HIS RESEARCH AND WRITING PROCESS ON THE LBJ SERIES.
00:00:29>> VOTING RIGHTS ACT, THE CIVIL
00:00:34RIGHTS ACT, IMMIGRATION REFORM. HE DID IT ALL.
00:00:37AND THEN HE DID VIETNAM WHICH
00:00:41WAS JUST HORRIBLE.
00:00:45>> IS VIETNAM THE HARDEST PART TO WRITE?
00:00:49>> GOOD QUESTION.
00:00:53YES.
00:00:58I'M WRITING IT NOW AND IT'S VERY
00:01:08, REALLY DEPRESSING.
00:01:08>> PULITZER PRIZE WINNING
00:01:13BEST-SELLING BIOGRAPHER ROBERT CARO ON C-SPAN'S Q AND A.
00:01:16LISTEN TO Q AND A AND ALL OF OUR PODCAST ON OUR FREE C-SPAN NOW
00:01:20APP OR WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.
00:01:21>> WE BEGIN THIS MORNING WITH
00:01:25ANDREW LYTER, DISCUSSING HIS BOOK, GOING AMONG ENGLISH
00:01:31SAILORS, AMERICAN TARS ABOARD
00:01:36HMS BELVIDERA 1809 THROUGH 1814.
00:01:41A BIG THANK YOU TO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. WE HAVE A FEW HOUSEKEEPING NOTES.
00:01:48A BOOK FOR SALE IN THE LOBBY, A PRODUCTION OF THE PROCEEDS FOR
00:01:52EVERY BOOK HELPS TO FUND THIS
00:01:54FREE FESTIVAL AND EVERY PURCHASE
00:01:57GIVES YOU A TICKET GOOD FOR AN
00:01:59ADULT BEVERAGE AT OUR 5:00 P.M. SPIRITED DISCUSSION AS OUR THINKING.
00:02:03I KNOW IT IS EARLY TO BE THINKING ABOUT LUNCH TIME, BUT
00:02:07KEEP IN MIND IN ADDITION TO THE
00:02:10FINE EATERIES AROUND TOWN, FOOD TRUCKS WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE
00:02:15ROWLANDS CENTER FROM 11:00 TO 2:00 WITH SEATING AT THE
00:02:18PAVILION AT THE LEWISTON PUBLIC
00:02:22-- LEWIS PUBLIC LIBRARY NEARBY. THERE WILL BE TIME FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE AUTHOR AT THE END OF HIS PRESENTATION. AND FINALLY, PLEASE TURN OFF ALL
00:02:26ELECTRONIC DEVICES RECORDINGS AND FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY ARE NOT
00:02:29ALLOWED.
00:02:32AND NOW IT IS MY PLEASURE TO
00:02:36INTRODUCE ANDREW LYTER WHOSE , HOME IS THE SEA AND HISTORY, BOTH OF WHICH HE SHARES GENEROUSLY WITH THE REST OF US.
00:02:45THIS BOOK IS CASE IN POINT
00:02:47FORMED NOT ONLY BY YEARS OF
00:02:50SCHOLARSHIP, BUT ALSO BY ANDREW'S SERVICE ABOARD THE BRITISH BRIGANTINE LORD NELSON.
00:02:52THE STORY OFFERS A FRESH
00:02:57, IMMERSIVE PERSPECTIVE THAT
00:02:58BLENDS METICULOUS RESEARCH WITH PRACTICAL, LIVED EXPERIENCE TO
00:03:03BRING THIS CHAPTER OF HISTORY FULLY TO LIFE FOR US.
00:03:09THANK YOU, ANDREW. NOW PLEASE HELP ME WELCOME ANDREW TO THE STAGE.
00:03:13[APPLAUSE]
00:03:17ANDREW: THANK YOU.
00:03:24ALL RIGHT.
00:03:27CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? LOOK AT THIS FANCY MICROPHONE.
00:03:31IT'S LIKE SUNDAY MORNING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE.
00:03:37GETTING OVER A SINUS INFECTION SO BEAR WITH MY NASALLY SOUND.
00:03:42THIS IS REALLY COOL. HISTORY BOOK FESTIVAL IS SO
00:03:45AMAZING, WE ARE IN OUR NINTH YEAR AND I'M HUMBLED TO BE A
00:03:49PART OF IT WITH MY SMALL CONTRIBUTION TO THIS SLATE OF
00:03:52ABSOLUTELY AMAZING AUTHORS. TODAY I'M HERE TO SHARE MY BOOK
00:03:57, "GOING AMONG ENGLISH SAILORS," RIGHT?
00:04:01HMS BELVIDERA, ALL TALKING ABOUT THE AMERICAN SAILORS THAT CREWED ON HER LOWER DECK. AS I WAS INTRODUCED AS A SAILOR, I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF
00:04:04CONTEXT BEHIND WHAT BROUGHT THIS BOOK TO FRUITION.
00:04:08OH, WRONG WAY. ALL RIGHT, THERE'S ME WITH A
00:04:12BEARD. INCREDIBLE.
00:04:15SO IN THE SUMMER OF 2019, I HAD
00:04:17THE PRIVILEGE TO CREW ABOARD A
00:04:20BRITISH BRIGANTINE, THE LORD NELSON, AS THE LONE AMERICAN CREW MEMBER.
00:04:24WE SAILED FROM POOLE, ENGLAND THROUGHOUT THE ENGLISH CHANNEL
00:04:28UP THE IRISH SEA, ENCOUNTERED A GALE AROUND SCOTLAND THROUGH THE NORTH SEA, AND THEN BACK INTO
00:04:31LEITH.
00:04:34MY WATCH INCLUDED SAILORS FROM ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, IRELAND, WALES, ALL THE OBVIOUS
00:04:37CANDIDATES.
00:04:42ONE FORMER MILITARY MAN FROM CROATIA WHO CHAIN SMOKED AND HAD A PEG LEG, LITERALLY. IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE, INCREDIBLY
00:04:45DIVERSE CREW.
00:04:52THIS IS OLD FISHERMEN FROM WHITBY. YOU HAD GAELIC SPEAKERS FROM SHETLAND.
00:04:56THERE WERE BOUGIE YACHTSMEN FROM LONDON.
00:04:58BUT THROUGHOUT ALL OF US WE REALLY BECAME CLOSE TO THIS VOYAGE, AND OUR COMMON LINK AS SHIPMATES AND OUR COMMON SHIPBOARD CULTURE KIND OF
00:05:02BROUGHT US TOGETHER.
00:05:05DESPITE OUR COMMON LINKS TO ONE ANOTHER, I STARTED TO WONDER WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE TO BE AN
00:05:09AMERICAN ON BOARD A BRITISH
00:05:12VESSEL HISTORICALLY, RIGHT? LET'S TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER.
00:05:16WHAT'S IT LIKE TO BE AN AMERICAN ON BOARD A BRITISH VESSEL IN A
00:05:18TIME OF WAR?
00:05:20BUILD ON THAT. WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE ON
00:05:24AN AMERICAN ON A BRITISH VESSEL IN A TIME OF WAR FIGHTING AGAINST YOUR OWN COUNTRY, MAYBE
00:05:27IN THE TOWN OF LEWIS PERCHANCE, OK.
00:05:31SO THIS ALL COINCIDED WITH ME WORKING ON MY MASTER'S PROGRAM
00:05:34OVER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
00:05:38PORTSMOUTH IN ENGLAND WHERE I WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE LOWER DECK AND THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE IN BRITISH SERVICE, AS WELL AS WITH THE CURATION OF AN
00:05:42EXHIBITION AT THE CANNONBALL
00:05:42HOUSE.
00:05:52SO AS WE ALL KNOW, OR WE'LL QUICKLY LEARN. IN THE FALL OF 1812, THIS MAN ON THE SCREEN, COMMODORE JOHN POOH
00:05:55BERESFORD, WAS ORDERED TO ENACT
00:06:00A STRICT AND RIGOROUS BLOCKADE OF THE BAY AND RIVER DELAWARE, LARGELY TO STRANGLE THE MERCANTILE TRADE OF
00:06:03PHILADELPHIA.
00:06:14THIS BLOCKADE BROUGHT WAR TO
00:06:15DELAWARE SHORES.
00:06:19BY LATE MARCH 1813, THIS WAS IN FULL EFFECT WITH HIS FLAGSHIP,
00:06:24THE 74 GUN HMS THIS POITIERS, , THE SCHOONER PAZ, AND OUR VESSEL FOR TODAY, THE 36 GUN FRIGATE, THE HMS BELVIDERA.
00:06:28WE'RE ALL DEPLOYED TO THE MOUTH OF THE BAY ABOUT A MILE OFF THE
00:06:29COAST OF LEWIS. SO WITH THEIR PROVISIONS AND
00:06:33WATER RAPIDLY DEPLETING, BERGER
00:06:39-- BERESFORD WROTE A SERIES OF LETTERS TO THE COMMUNITY OF LEWIS, FIRST REQUESTING AND THEN DEMANDING SAID SUPPLIES.
00:06:43IF REFUSED, HE THREATENED HE
00:06:46WOULD BE, AND I QUOTE, "UNDER
00:06:51THE UPMOST NECESSITY OF DESTROYING THE TOWN."
00:06:59NOW LEWISTOWNERS, I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF LEWISTOWNERS HERE TODAY, ARE ALL INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE STORY OF THE CANNONBALL HOUSE.
00:07:03WE HAVE THAT CANNONBALL LODGED IN THE FOUNDATION, AGAIN, IT WAS STOLEN, BUT IT'S BACK.
00:07:05THIS IS A TRADITIONAL TALE OF AMERICAN DETERMINATION IN THE
00:07:09FACE OF ADVERSITY. TO DEFEAT A COMMON ENEMY, THE
00:07:11BRITISH.
00:07:15ON APRIL 6TH AND 7TH, THIS COMMUNITY WOULD ENDURE A 22 HOUR
00:07:17BOMBARDMENT BY THE ROYAL NAVY,
00:07:19AND THE VALIANT DEFENDERS OF
00:07:22LEWIS, LARGELY OUT OF WORK PILOTS AND WATERMEN, HAVE BEEN
00:07:26BRANDED AS THE PATRIOTIC HEROES
00:07:27THAT RESISTED THIS ATTACK.
00:07:33THANK YOU. BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, HISTORY IS NEVER AS BLACK AND WHITE AS WE WANT IT TO BE.
00:07:35WE ALL WANT TO HAVE A HERO AND A
00:07:40VILLAIN. THIS MAKES THINGS EASY FOR US AS WE READ THE PAST, BUT IT'S ALL A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THESE
00:07:44TRADITIONAL CHARACTERS DON'T
00:07:47STICK TO THEIR EXPECTED ROLES OR LOYALTIES AND THEY SERVE AGAINST THIS PROUD AMERICAN TOWN OF
00:07:50LEWIS?
00:07:55SO WHAT THIS TRADITIONAL NARRATIVE OF THE BOMBARDMENT LACKED WAS SHARING THE NUANCED ROLE PLAYED BY THESE AMERICANS SERVING AGAINST THEIR OWN
00:07:59REPUBLIC.
00:08:02AND THIS BOOK IS THE STORY OF 21
00:08:03AMERICAN MEN WHO WOULD DO JUST
00:08:07THAT ABOARD THE BELVIDERA.
00:08:1245 AMERICAN MEN WERE ON THIS DAY AND PARTICIPATED IN THE BOMBARDMENT OF LEWIS, BUT WE'RE
00:08:15GOING TO FOCUS ON 21 OF THEM
00:08:16THROUGH THIS PUBLICATION.
00:08:24IF YOU CAN'T READ THAT, THAT'S OK. I CAN'T EITHER. BUT THE HMS BELVIDERA WAS ONE OF THE THREE VESSELS BUT WAS REALLY THE WORKHORSE OF THE BOMBARDMENT.
00:08:28SHE WAS ABLE TO GET CLOSER TO THE COMMUNITY AND OVERSAW THE
00:08:30FIRING ON LEWIS.
00:08:41PART ONE OF THE BOOK WILL FOCUS ON HER SERVICE FROM 1809 TO 1814. AND THIS WILL REALLY SHARE THE WOODEN WORLD WHERE THESE AMERICAN SAILORS LIVED, WORKED,
00:08:45AND ALL OF THE CONFLICTS, BATTLES, YOU NAME IT, THAT THEY ENDURED DURING THE WAR OF 1812
00:08:48AND THE NAPOLEONIC WARS.
00:09:02PART TWO AND THREE STRIVES TO ANSWER, WHY DURING THE WAR OF 1812 WOULD AMERICAN SEAFARERS CONSIDER SAILING UNDER THE
00:09:08BRITISH FLAG? THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ALL HERE. WHAT SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS DROVE THESE MEN INTO FOREIGN SERVICE
00:09:13AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY? AND MOST IMPORTANT TO ME, HOW
00:09:15DID THIS IMPACT THEIR LIVES AND
00:09:19IDENTITY AS AMERICAN MEN? THESE MEN DID NOT CONFORM TO THE
00:09:23TRADITIONAL NOTION OF WHAT IT MEANT TO BE A LOYAL AMERICAN.
00:09:27THEY PARTICIPATED IN AN INTERNATIONAL BOND AMONGST
00:09:30SAILORS BUILT ON COMMON EXPERIENCES AND A DISTINCT MARITIME CULTURE.
00:09:33AS SUCH, THEY PLACED THE NEED OF THEIR FRIGATE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEIR SHIPMATES
00:09:36FIRST.
00:09:38BUT THEY HAD TO RECOGNIZE THEIR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP AND WHEN WAR CAME TO THE SHORES OF THEIR
00:09:42HOME COUNTRY, THEY WERE FORCED TO DECIDE BETWEEN REMAINING LOYAL TO THEIR SHIPMATES OR TO
00:09:46THEIR NEW NATION.
00:09:51EXCUSE ME FOR A MOMENT.
00:09:59THANK YOU. SO IMPRESSMENT, RIGHT, WE ALL THINK IMPRESSMENT IMMEDIATELY. THIS IS WHY THESE FOLKS WERE IN THE ROYAL NAVY.
00:10:03IMPRESSMENT WAS WIDELY REGARDED AS A NECESSARY EVIL, BUT IT
00:10:06SERVED A CRUCIAL ROLE IN GREAT BRITAIN IN ENSURING THAT HIS MAJESTY'S VESSELS WERE
00:10:10ADEQUATELY MANNED, ESPECIALLY IN
00:10:14TIMES OF WAR.
00:10:18TRANSATLANTIC PORTS, ALL OF THE PORTS ON THE ATLANTIC SPHERE, WERE PLAGUED BY THIS PRACTICE
00:10:21WHERE SAILORS WERE FORCED TO
00:10:35SERVE IN THE ROYAL NAVY BUT ALSO FORCED TO SERVE IN THE AMERICAN NAVY AND ON PRIVATEERS, WHICH WE'LL UNPACK AT SOME POINT. CONTRARY TO POPULAR
00:10:39MISCONCEPTIONS, THE PRESS GANG, THE BODY THAT IMPRESSED MEN, DID NOT TARGET PAUPERS OR VAGRANTS OR LANDSMEN OR FARMERS OR DRUNKS
00:10:41IN TAVERNS. SOMETIMES.
00:10:47THE TARGET OF THIS WAS ABLE SEAMEN. WE WANTED CAREER SAILORS WHO KNEW THEIR WAY AROUND A VESSEL.
00:10:50JUST SO HAPPENED A LOT OF THESE
00:10:51GUYS WERE ON AMERICAN SHIPS.
00:10:57THIS WAS OBVIOUSLY A LEADING
00:10:59CAUSE OF THE WAR OF 1812, 1 OF
00:11:01THE BIG THREE THINGS THAT FORCED US TO DECLARE WAR ON GREAT BRITAIN.
00:11:05FOR AMERICA TO DECLARE WAR ON
00:11:09GREAT BRITAIN. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT, WE WERE THE BELLIGERENTS HERE DECLARING WAR ON GREAT BRITAIN.
00:11:13, SO IMPRESSMENT WAS REGARDED AS THAT LEADING CAUSE, BUT BOTH
00:11:22NATIONS DEFINED CITIZENSHIP IN DIFFERENT TERMS.
00:11:23GREAT BRITAIN DEEMED ALL
00:11:30ENGLISH-SPEAKING MEN AS BRITISH CITIZENS UNTIL THEY COULD PROVE OTHERWISE. THIS IS RIDICULOUS, RIGHT? AMERICANS IMAGINE CITIZENSHIP VARIOUSLY.
00:11:33THIS COULD BE FIXED AT BIRTH.
00:11:38BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP IF YOU WILL. CONFERRED BY THE STATE, OR
00:11:42CHOSEN FREELY BY THE INDIVIDUAL.
00:11:47BETWEEN 1797 AND THE DAWN OF THE
00:11:48WAR OF 1812, 9991 MEN WERE
00:11:53PRESSED INTO THE ROYAL NAVY.
00:11:56BUT DESPITE THESE STAGGERING
00:11:58FIGURES, THE BUILDER DARA -- BELVIDERA ONLY HAD 5 MEN PRESSED
00:12:04ONTO HER. ONLY FIVE OF THE 21 MEN. THESE FOLKS ARE JOHN EDWARDS, JAMES GIBSON, AND JOHN CHAMBERLAIN, ALL FROM NEW YORK CITY.
00:12:08JAMES MESERAL OF NEW JERSEY AND ISRAEL EATON OF MARBLEHEAD,
00:12:11MASSACHUSETTS.
00:12:1716 MEN WILLINGLY VOLUNTEERED TO
00:12:18SERVE IN THE ROYAL NAVY.
00:12:23SO LET'S LOOK AT THIS VESSEL AS
00:12:24A CASE STUDY.
00:12:28THREE QUARTERS OF THE AMERICANS ON THIS SHIP VOLUNTEERED TO DO SO. I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE
00:12:33ONE OF THESE MEN WHO IS FEATURED
00:12:35IN THE BOOK PROMINENTLY WHO I
00:12:38THINK HIS COMMITMENT TO A LIFE AT SEA SURPASSED ALL OTHER ALLEGIANCES TO HIS FAMILY, TO
00:12:41HIS NATION, TO HIS SHIPMATES.
00:12:49HE WANTED TO WORK AT SEA. BUT BEFORE I DO SO, I WANT TO QUICKLY RECOGNIZE THE WORLD IN
00:12:52WHICH THESE MEN SAILED.
00:12:57EVERYONE'S ABLE TO READ THAT UP THERE. THEY SAILED IN A WORLD FRAUGHT WITH WAR AND REVOLUTIONS.
00:13:00THIS WAS THE AGE OF ATLANTIC REVOLUTIONS. THE ATLANTIC SPHERE, ALL OF
00:13:04THESE COUNTRIES KIND OF SURROUNDING THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, WERE IN A STATE OF CONSTANT
00:13:07FLUX.
00:13:13NEW REPUBLICS WERE BUILT AND
00:13:18MONARCHIES WERE CRUMBLED, AND THESE MEN ONLY KNEW WARFARE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE ENTIRE WORLD THAT THEY EXISTED IN.
00:13:21SO THE FELLOW I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON WHO I FEEL TRULY EMBODIES THE
00:13:24NATIONAL AMBIVALENCE OF
00:13:30SEAFARERS OF THIS ERA AND HIS
00:13:32STEADFAST COMMITMENT TO LIFE AT SEA IS JOHN THOMPSON OF
00:13:36PHILADELPHIA.
00:13:40JOHN THOMPSON WAS BORN IN PHILADELPHIA AT A TIME THAT THE CITY WAS THE LARGEST CITY AND
00:13:44PORT IN THE ENTIRE NATION, WELL, IN THE ENTIRE COLONIES IF YOU
00:13:45WILL.
00:13:51IN 1770, PHILADELPHIA HAD SURPASSED BOSTON AND NEW YORK.
00:13:55THIS IS THE 4TH LARGEST CITY IN THE BRITISH EMPIRE BEHIND ONLY
00:13:56LONDON, EDINBURGH, AND DUBLIN. BUT THIS BEAUTIFUL MARITIME
00:14:00TRADE CAME TO A SCREECHING HALT ON THE 27TH OF SEPTEMBER 1777.
00:14:04AND THIS WOULD BE WITH THE
00:14:05BRITISH OCCUPATION OF THE CITY.
00:14:1418,000 BRITISH SOLDIERS MARCHED INTO THE CITY, WITH PATRIOT LEADERS AND 2/3 OF THE
00:14:17POPULATION FLEEING.
00:14:27AND THE BRITISH WOULD REMAIN IN THE CITY UNTIL JUNE OF 1778. THIS WOULD FOLLOW WITH A SUBSEQUENT BLOCKADE OF THE BAY AND RIVER DELAWARE, WHERE THE
00:14:30ROYAL NAVY WOULD STRANGLE PHILADELPHIA ECONOMY FURTHER, BRINGING IT TO A COMPLETE
00:14:32STANDSTILL.
00:14:41SO THIS IS THE WORLD THAT JOHN THOMPSON WAS BORN INTO. ON THE 8TH OF NOVEMBER 1777, HE WAS BORN IN OCCUPIED PHILADELPHIA TO JAMES AND ELIZABETH THOMPSON.
00:14:45HE WAS BAPTIZED FOLLOWING THE BRITISH DEPARTURE ON THE 19TH OF JULY 1779, THE SECOND PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH IN
00:14:48PHILADELPHIA.
00:15:04I REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT HIS ENTIRE CHILDHOOD, HIS EARLY
00:15:08YEARS FROM ONE TO SIX WERE SPENT LIVING IN A WAR-TORN CITY.
00:15:13I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CONSIDER THIS DOCUMENT THAT'S AT THE BOTTOM. THIS IS HIS BAPTISMAL RECORD FROM THE SECOND PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH.
00:15:17WILL WE BE QUICK TO LABEL JOHN THOMPSON AND HIS AMERICAN SHIPMATES AS TORIES OR LOYALISTS
00:15:21, OR DARE I SAY TRADERS, HEAR
00:15:27THIS MAN IS A TWO-YEAR-OLD BOY
00:15:29-- DARE I SAY TRAITORS,
00:15:36HERE THIS MAN IS A TWO-YEAR-OLD BOY. HE'S LISTED AS THE ONLY SON OF JAMES AND ELIZABETH THOMPSON. HE WAS THEIR PRIDE AND JOY.
00:15:40HE WAS JUST THEIR LITTLE SON. HE'S A HUMAN, RIGHT? HE'S A FALLIBLE HUMAN, AND HE'S SOMEONE THAT I REALLY FEEL WE
00:15:43SHOULD ALL RELATE TO AS WE
00:15:46CONTINUE TO STUDY THESE PEOPLE. I ALWAYS COME BACK TO THIS DOCUMENT, EVEN WHEN JOHN THOMPSON DOES SOME MILDLY DODGY
00:15:50ACTS AND HIS SERVICE IS QUESTIONABLE.
00:15:53HE'S JUST A HUMAN. HE WAS SOMEONE'S BOY, AND HE WAS A YOUNG MAN WHEN HE WENT TO SEA, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND,
00:15:56PLEASE.
00:16:01PHILADELPHIA FOLLOWING THE
00:16:01TREATY OF PARIS IN 1783,
00:16:05MERCANTILE TRADE RESUMED AND THEY WERE A BOOMING CITY AGAIN.
00:16:10BETWEEN 1793 AND 1810, THE
00:16:11POPULATION DOUBLED WITH 55,000
00:16:16INHABITANTS TO 111,000 PEOPLE BY 1810. AND 20% OF THAT LABOR FORCE WERE
00:16:18SAILORS.
00:16:23SO THIS RAPID MARITIME GROWTH MET UNPRECEDENTED OPPORTUNITIES FOR ASPIRING YOUNG SAILORS SUCH
00:16:26AS JOHN THOMPSON.
00:16:32ALL RIGHT, THIS IS TOUGH TO SEE, BUT IT'S ALL IN THE BOOK AND IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS,
00:16:35SO BEAR WITH ME.
00:16:37USING EXTANT HISTORICAL RECORDS,
00:16:42WE'RE ABLE TO PINPOINT EXACTLY WHEN JOHN THOMPSON OFFICIALLY OR LEGALLY JOINED THE MARITIME
00:16:44LABOR FORCE OF PHILADELPHIA.
00:16:50AND THAT'S ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 1805, HE ACQUIRED HIS SEAMEN'S PROTECTION CERTIFICATE.
00:16:54HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THESE BEFORE?
00:16:57I SEE A HAND OF THOSE THAT HAVE. ALL RIGHT, A FEW THAT I EXPECTED.
00:17:00GOOD.
00:17:05SO 1796, THERE WAS AN ACT FOR THE PROTECTION OF AMERICAN SEAMEN. THIS WAS PASSED IN OUR CONGRESS SOLELY TO COMBAT IMPRESSMENT,
00:17:09RIGHT?
00:17:18THIS ACT CREATED PROCEDURES FOR AMERICAN MEN TO PROCURE TANGIBLE PROOF OF THEIR CITIZENSHIP.
00:17:21THINK OF A PASSPORT OF SORTS.
00:17:25THIS ALSO ENSURED THE ASSISTANCE OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AT HOME AND ABROAD SHOULD THEY
00:17:28BECOME IMPRESSED.
00:17:33SO YOU COULD GO TO THE CONSUL, PROVIDE YOUR SIEMEN'S PROTECTION
00:17:38-- SEAMEN'S PROTECTION
00:17:41CERTIFICATE, AND PROVE THAT YOU'RE AN AMERICAN. AND AMERICAN SEAFARERS NEEDED THIS DOCUMENT TO GO TO SEA BEFORE THEY COULD LEAVE AND
00:17:45CLEAR A PORT FOR AN INTERNATIONAL VOYAGE, THE
00:17:48CAPTAIN HAD TO PROVE THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE CREW HAD SEAMEN'S PROTECTION CERTIFICATES.
00:17:51AND THESE DOCUMENTS EXIST TODAY
00:17:54, AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
00:17:56I WILL GET INTO THAT SHORTLY, BUT I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY READ AN
00:18:00EXCERPT FROM THE BOOK TO KIND OF SHARE WHAT I CALL JOHN THOMPSON'S WALK.
00:18:03THIS IS HIM TRAVELING FROM HIS HOME, HIS MODEST HOME ON THE
00:18:05NORTH RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN,
00:18:09GODDARD'S ALLEY, DOWN ALONG THE WATERFRONT, 5 CITY BLOCKS TO GET
00:18:11TO THE NOTARY PUBLIC OFFICE OF
00:18:14CLEMENT BIDDLE.
00:18:17IF ANYONE HAS A BOOK AND CARES
00:18:21TO FOLLOW ALONG, IT IS ON PAGE 80. WE'RE GOING TO BE STARTING THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
00:18:24ON THIS CRISP AUTUMN MORNING, JOHN THOMPSON WITNESSED THE WARS OF THE YOUNG AMERICAN CAPITAL
00:18:28ALIVE WITH NEWS BEING SHARED IN
00:18:29A CACOPHONY OF LANGUAGES BY A
00:18:32DIVERSE CREW OF SAILORS FROM THE
00:18:37U.S., JAMES MONROE WAS RECOMMENDING TO PRESIDENT JEFFERSON AN IMMEDIATE DECLARATION OF WAR WITH SPAIN
00:18:40OVER FLORIDA.
00:18:44MEANWHILE, FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC, REPORTS OF NELSON'S HEROIC VICTORY OVER THE FRENCH FLEET AND HIS DEATH AT THE
00:18:48BATTLE OF TRAFALGAR WERE NOW
00:18:49MAKING THEIR WAY TO
00:18:55PHILADELPHIA'S DOCKS. LOCALLY, THE STANDING MILITIA WAS PREPARING TO DRILL WITH THE
00:18:58FIRST TROOP OF LIGHT HORSE SET TO PARADE THAT AFTERNOON NEAR A PERMANENT BRIDGE AT MARKET STREET.
00:19:01AS THOMPSON NAVIGATED THIS COMMOTION, HE TURNED ONTO WALNUT STREET AND WALKED TWO BLOCKS TO
00:19:05THE OFFICE OF CLEMENT BIDDLE, LOCATED AT 41 AND 43 WALNUT
00:19:08STREET.
00:19:13I'M GOING TO JUMP AHEAD OF PARAGRAPH. JOHN THOMPSON'S DISTINCT APPEARANCE AS HE SWAGGERED INTO BIDDLE'S OFFICE SUGGESTED PRIOR
00:19:17EXPERIENCE AT SEA.
00:19:235 FT 7 1/2 INCHES TALL. THE DARK-HAIRED THOMPSON WAS SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN THE AVERAGE SAILOR OF HIS PERIOD.
00:19:27HE HAD SURVIVED THE YELLOW FEVER EPIDEMIC OF 1793 UNSCATHED,
00:19:30WHICH WAS PITTED VERY MUCH WITH
00:19:31SMALLPOX IN THE FACE.
00:19:40LIKE MANY FROM PHILADELPHIA'S LABORING CLASS, JUMP AHEAD AGAIN. IN ADDITION TO HIS POCK-MARKED COMPLEXION, THOMPSON'S TATTOOED
00:19:43BODY SET HIM APART, EXPRESSING HIS PERSONAL BELIEFS AND
00:19:45ANNOUNCING PRIDE IN HIS MARITIME
00:19:51VOCATION. ACCORDING TO THE CITIZENSHIP DOCUMENT, HE PROCURED AT
00:19:54BIDDLE'S OFFICE, HE HAD, AND I
00:19:59QUOTE, "THE FIGURE OF A SPREAD EAGLE, STARS, AND FLAG IN
00:20:02LETTERS IT 1801 ON HIS LEFT ARM
00:20:05IN INDIA INK, ALSO SEVERAL OTHER
00:20:11FIGURES ON HIS RIGHT ARM."
00:20:14THESE TATTOOS REPRESENTED HIS MEMBERSHIP IN A SEA FRAMING FRATERNITY IN AN EMBLEMATIC OF A
00:20:17GROUP IDENTITY SHARED BY
00:20:27SAILORS. SO WHEN JOHN THOMPSON STEPPED OUT OF BIDDLE'S OFFICE ONTO FRONT STREET, HIS AMERICAN IDENTITY SEEMED UNASSAILABLE, AND HE WAS READY TO GO TO SEA.
00:20:30HERE IS HIS SURVIVING SEAMEN'S PROTECTION CERTIFICATE ON THE SCREEN.
00:20:33A CLEMENT BIDDLE WAS ONE OF OVER
00:20:3620 DIFFERENT NOTARY PUBLICS IN
00:20:39THE CITY OF PHILADELPHIA WHO COULD FURNISH SAILORS WITH
00:20:43SEAMEN'S PROTECTION CERTIFICATES. HE COULD PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE
00:20:45GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS. THIS PROCESS WAS VERY WELL REGULATED IN THEORY, BUT IF YOU
00:20:49WENT IN WITH A BUDDY TO THE
00:20:51NOTARY PUBLIC'S OFFICE AND HE COULD VOUCH THAT YOU WERE BORN
00:20:55IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU WERE
00:20:59BORN IN SAID CITY OF
00:21:01PHILADELPHIA AND ACT AS YOUR
00:21:05LEGAL WITNESS, YOU COULD BE PROVIDED WITH ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS. DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE YOU
00:21:09WERE BORN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SORT OF ABUSED AT TIMES, AND SOME SAILORS WOULD COLLECT THESE DOCUMENTS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES AS WELL.
00:21:12THERE IS A NORSE BORN SAILOR WHO
00:21:14WAS ON THE BELVIDERA WHO HAD
00:21:18PROTECTION CERTIFICATES FROM THREE DIFFERENT PORTS IN THIS COUNTRY AS WELL AS ONE FROM
00:21:23SWEDEN AND ONE FROM DENMARK. BUT HE GREW UP IN LONDON.
00:21:27IT'S RIDICULOUS, THE WORLD WAS
00:21:30VERY SMALL.
00:21:31GOING FORWARD, ALL AMERICAN MEN
00:21:34ARMED WITH DOCUMENTS WITH DON'T HAVE IRREFUTABLE PROOF OF THEIR
00:21:37NATIONALITY -- WOULD NOW HAVE
00:21:45IRREFUTABLE PROOF OF THEIR NATIONALITY. THIS WAS LEGALLY SUPPOSED TO BE
00:21:48ACKNOWLEDGED BY BRITISH NAVAL OFFICERS, AND IT LARGELY WAS. AND THEY WOULD NOW HAVE THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEHIND THEM, ACKNOWLEDGING, DOCUMENTING, AND
00:21:52PROTECTING THEIR TENUOUS STATUS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS. NOW, GENERALLY SAILORS LIKE
00:21:54THOMPSON WOULD GET ONE OF THESE
00:21:58DOCUMENTS DAYS TO MAYBE A WEEK
00:22:02PRIOR TO GOING TO SEA RIGHT BEFORE THEY GET ON A VESSEL ON AN OUTBOUND VOYAGE. THEY NORMALLY GO ALONG WITH A SHIPMATE.
00:22:06AND TO THIS DAY, I MEAN, THESE ARE THE BEST RESOURCE FOR DETAILS INTO THE INDIVIDUAL
00:22:10SAILOR.
00:22:16I MEAN, LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT, JOHN THOMPSON PROCURED
00:22:18THIS IN EARLY NOVEMBER 1805.
00:22:22SO MY NEXT STEP ONCE I FIND THIS
00:22:23DOCUMENT IS TO GO TO THE PORT
00:22:27RECORDS OF PHILADELPHIA AND LOOK FOR OUTBOUND VOYAGES GIVEN
00:22:31WITHIN A MONTH'S SPAN REALLY OF
00:22:33WHEN HE GOT THIS DOCUMENT AND LOOK FOR HIS NAME ON THE ROLLS,
00:22:36AND THERE'S DESCRIPTIONS COMING
00:22:37WITH HIS NAME.
00:22:41AND I COULD LOOK AT OTHER SAILORS WHO GOT PROTECTION CERTIFICATES AROUND THAT DATE AND ASSUME THAT THEY MIGHT BE
00:22:44HIS SHIPMATES AND FLESH THEM OUT FURTHER. SO THESE ARE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I MEAN THROUGH THIS DOCUMENT
00:22:47WE'RE ABLE TO LEARN THAT JOHN
00:22:49THOMPSON WAS FIVE FOOT SEVEN AND
00:22:55A HALF INCHES TALL, HE WAS DARK-HAIRED HE WAS PITTED WITH , SMALLPOX. HE HAD A BIG MOLE ON HIS RIGHT THIGH AND HE WAS HIGHLY
00:22:59TATTOOED. I MEAN, THESE ARE DETAILS INTO THE SOCIAL HISTORY OF THESE MEN THAT SPEAK.
00:23:03SO LOUDLY AS TO WHO THEY WERE AS
00:23:09PEOPLE AND CAN KIND OF HELP US CREATE A HUMAN THAT'S A BIT MORE
00:23:12RELATABLE THAT WE CAN ALMOST PICTURE AS WE READ, RIGHT?
00:23:14SO THE CAREERS OF THESE MEN LIKE
00:23:18JOHN THOMPSON PRIOR TO JOINING THE BELVIDERA WERE JUST AS DIVERSE AS THEIR BACKGROUNDS.
00:23:22THESE MEN HAD EXPERIENCE IN THE MERCHANT SERVICE.
00:23:26THEY WERE IN THE U.S. NAVY. THEY SERVED ABOARD FRENCH PRIVATEERS, BRITISH PRIVATEERS,
00:23:29SPANISH PRIVATEERS.
00:23:34AND THEN THEY JOINED THE ROYAL
00:23:39NAVY BY VARIOUS MEANS. TWO DAYS AFTER ACQUIRING HIS
00:23:42PROTECTION CERTIFICATE, JOHN THOMPSON WOULD JOIN THE CREW OF
00:23:47THE BRIG NANCY. THIS IS A MERCHANT VESSEL OUT OF
00:23:49PHILADELPHIA, AND SHE SAILED FOR
00:23:54ST. CHRISTOPHER, RETURNING WITH A CARGO OF THE GREATEST EXPORT OF THE INDIES AT THIS TIME, AND
00:23:57MOLASSES, MARCH OF 1806. FROM THAT TIME UNTIL 1807, JOHN THOMPSON WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE
00:24:01A HOME IN PHILADELPHIA UP ON
00:24:02GODDARD VALLEY.
00:24:06THIS WAS A SMALL WORKING CLASS COMMUNITY.
00:24:08UNTIL 1807 WHEN HE DISAPPEARS
00:24:11FROM PHILADELPHIA RECORDS, HE NO LONGER HAS HIS HOME AND HE
00:24:15LEAVES THE CITY. THIS IS WHERE WE START
00:24:18SCRATCHING OUR CHIN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE DOES HE GO, AND
00:24:25FOR MOST SAILORS, YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. THIS IS THE END.
00:24:28BUT OVER THE FOLLOWING TWO YEARS, JOHN THOMPSON WOULD SERVE ABOARD A FRENCH PRIVATEER.
00:24:32IT WAS ON A FRENCH PRIVATEER.
00:24:37NOW THIS IS A TIME WHEN FRANCE WAS ENGAGED IN WAR WITH GREAT BRITAIN, BUT WE HAD A REALLY
00:24:40LOOSE PEACE AT THIS TIME WITH
00:24:41THESE TWO NATIONS, VERY LOOSE,
00:24:44BUT ON THIS PRIVATEER HE JOINED
00:24:47IN 1808 FOLLOWING JEFFERSON'S
00:24:50DISASTROUS, AND THIS IS MY OPINION, BUT I THINK YOU COULD ALL SHARE THIS OPINION,
00:24:54DISASTROUS EMBARGO ACT.
00:24:58WITH NON-IMPORTATION AGAINST THE BRITISH AND AGAINST THE FRENCH
00:25:00AND THEN AGAINST THE BRITISH AGAIN FAILING, JEFFERSON ASKED
00:25:04CONGRESS FOR AN EMBARGO ACT IN
00:25:05DECEMBER OF 1807.
00:25:09AND THIS ACT HAD DRASTIC RAMIFICATIONS ON THE SEAFARING
00:25:11POPULATION. HIS GOAL WAS TO PROTECT AMERICAN
00:25:15SAILORS AND COERCE THE BRITISH, BUT IT PROVED TO BE A MASSIVE
00:25:16DISASTER.
00:25:27AND HAD A REALLY DRAMATIC IMPACT ON THAT SEAFARING POPULATION. PHILADELPHIA'S SHIPPING WAS
00:25:30REDUCED TO 20% OF ITS PRE-EMBARGO ACT LEVELS.
00:25:34ROUGHLY 8700 SOLDIERS WERE OUT OF WORK. THESE GUYS BEGAN TO SEEK OUT
00:25:37OPPORTUNITIES ABROAD. THERE'S NEWSPAPER ARTICLES FROM
00:25:41PHILADELPHIA, FROM NEW YORK CITY, FROM BOSTON OF SAILORS LEAVING IN DROVES FOR CANADA, FOR THE INDIES, AND ACROSS THE
00:25:45ATLANTIC.
00:25:53THIS DROVE SEAMEN INTO FOREIGN SERVICE. I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE
00:26:00THAT THIS COINCIDED WITH THE TIME THOMPSON LEFT THE CITY. HE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HE ONCE HAD IN THIS BOOMING AMERICAN CITY,
00:26:04AND HE LOOKED FOR IT ELSEWHERE. HE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO WORK IN HIS VOCATION, EVEN IF THAT MEANT
00:26:06ON A FRENCH PRIVATEER.
00:26:11FOLLOWING HIS TIME ABOARD THIS
00:26:14FRENCH PRIVATEER, AND UNFORTUNATELY I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FLESH OUT ANY OF THE DETAILS
00:26:18OF WHAT THIS WAS LIKE, BUT I WILL FIND THIS BECAUSE IT WILL
00:26:21KEEP ME UP AT NIGHT, HE WOULD BRIEFLY SERVE ABOARD THE HMS MERCURY.
00:26:26THIS IS HIS FIRST BRITISH VESSEL HE SERVED ABOARD.
00:26:29HE VOLUNTEERED AT THIS TIME TO
00:26:32SERVE ON THE MERCURY, AND HE DID SO AND WAS RATED AS AN ABLE SEAMAN, SO HE HAD THE TOP RATING
00:26:35OF THE LOWER DECK.
00:26:38SO THE CAPTAIN OF THIS VESSEL RECOGNIZED HIS MARITIME
00:26:42PROFICIENCY, HIS PAST SKILL SET, AND WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIM
00:26:44ACCORDINGLY. SO HE WAS GIVEN A GOOD BERTH ON
00:26:48THIS SHIP, A DECENT PAY, AND HAD A FAIRLY DECENT EXISTENCE, I
00:26:50WOULD GATHER.
00:26:53SO AFTER A VERY SHORT TIME ON THE MERCURY, JOHN THOMPSON WOULD
00:26:57VOLUNTEER, ONCE AGAIN VOLUNTEER TO JOIN THE HMS BELVIDERA, OUR
00:26:5936 GUN FRIGATE.
00:27:04AND HE WOULD SERVE ON THE BELVIDERA THROUGHOUT HER ENTIRE
00:27:08SERVICE ON THE WAR OF 1812'S NORTH AMERICAN STATION.
00:27:12SO THE VESSEL ARRIVED OVER HERE
00:27:13IN 1811 AND LEFT IN 1814.
00:27:18JOHN THOMPSON WAS ON THIS SHIP
00:27:24AS AN ABLE SEAMAN FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ENGAGEMENTS. SO PRIOR TO LEAVING GREAT
00:27:27BRITAIN, IT ENGAGED IN A BATTLE OF SILDA. THIS IS OFF THE COAST OF NORWAY,
00:27:30WHERE HE HELPED CAPTURE TWO PRIVATEERS, TWO DANISH PRIVATEERS, THE BALDUR AND THE
00:27:34THOR. SHE CAME ACROSS THE ATLANTIC
00:27:37CARRYING THE NEW ADMIRAL FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN STATION TO BERMUDA.
00:27:41THEY HUNTED FRENCH PRIVATEERS UP AND DOWN THE COAST.
00:27:45HE WAS ENGAGED IN THE FIRST
00:27:46ENGAGEMENT OF THE WAR OF 1812
00:27:50WHEN THE USS PRESIDENT WAS ATTACKING THE BELVEDERE AND SHE ESCAPED INTO HALIFAX.
00:27:54HE'D LATER PURSUE OLD IRONSIDES,
00:27:57THE USS CONSTITUTION, TRYING TO CAPTURE HER, AND THEN IN 1813,
00:28:01FEBRUARY OF 1813, HE WOULD LEAVE THE CHESAPEAKE AND COME TO THE
00:28:03DELAWARE BAY.
00:28:05WHERE HE WOULD BE A PART OF THE
00:28:09BLOCKADING FORCE AND LATER BE
00:28:15BEHIND THE GUNS FIRING TO 800 500 SHOTS ON THE COMMUNITY OF LEWIS.
00:28:21JOHN THOMPSON, AFTER RETURNING
00:28:27TO ENGLAND, BEING PAID OFF, SO HE RECEIVED HIS MONEY AND WAS FREE TO LEAVE THE BELVEDERE, WOULD BRIEFLY JOIN THE HMS
00:28:30PRINCE. ABOARD THE PRINCE, HE WAS
00:28:32PROMPTLY DISCHARGED.
00:28:36FROM THE ROYAL NAVY ON THE 3RD OF DECEMBER 1814, AND THE ONLY
00:28:40LINE OF THIS SAYS HE WAS
00:28:40UNSERVICEABLE.
00:28:45THE SURGEON'S LOGS, SURGEON'S
00:28:46JOURNALS PROVIDE A BIT MORE ON
00:28:53EACH VESSEL WAS REQUIRED TO KEEP ONE OF THESE.
00:28:57AT THIS POINT IN HIS LIFE, HE
00:28:59WAS DEEMED TO BROKEN OR WORN OUT.
00:29:03THEY GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED FROM HIM AND THREW HIM BACK IN SOCIETY AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF
00:29:0738 YEARS OLD.
00:29:11JOHN THOMPSON COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS FROM THE HISTORICAL
00:29:13RECORD IN GREAT AND THE UNITED
00:29:17STATES, JUST LIKE THOUSANDS OF SAILORS THAT CAME BEFORE HIM AND WOULD COME AFTER HIM.
00:29:22OVER THE COURSE OF WRITING THIS
00:29:26BOOK, THIS IS A LONG TOUCH AND GO PROCESS, FIVE YEARS HERE AND THERE.
00:29:32OVER THE COURSE OF THIS, I BECOME INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH
00:29:34ALL OF THESE AMERICAN MEN THAT
00:29:39SERVED ON THE BELVEDERE AND REFERRED TO THEM AS SHIPMATES.
00:29:42THIS IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT FOR
00:29:45PEOPLE YOU ARE WILLING TO GO TO
00:29:49WAR WITH. I REFER TO THEM IN THIS REGARD.
00:29:59THESE MEN OF THE BELVEDERE'S
00:30:02LOWER DECK ARE OFTEN LOST TO HISTORY, BUT AS I GOT TO KNOW THEM, I FELT IT MY OBLIGATION
00:30:05AND PRIVILEGE TO BRING THEIR
00:30:09STORIES TO LIFE, PROVIDE A SOCIAL HISTORY OF THESE MEN THAT
00:30:11WENT AMONG THE ENGLISH SAILORS, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND THE
00:30:15COMPLEXITY OF THE WAR OF 1812
00:30:16AND ADDRESS QUESTIONS OF
00:30:20NATIONAL AGENTS. THIS BOOK IS NOT HER STORY. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.
00:30:24-- THIS BOOK IS THEIR STORY.
00:30:29REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY. [APPLAUSE]
00:30:38>> THANK YOU FOR THAT RIVETING DISCUSSION.
00:30:42NOW, WE WILL PROCEED WITH OUR QUESTION-AND-ANSWER PERIOD.
00:30:45WE ASK IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, AND WE
00:30:50HAVE MICROPHONES. WE HAVE ASSISTANTS WHO WILL COME
00:30:53AROUND AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR YOU, AND I ALSO ASKED, WHEN YOU
00:30:57ASK YOUR QUESTION, I KINDLY REQUEST IF YOU SPEAK LOUDLY INTO
00:31:01THE MICROPHONE SO ALL OF US CAN HEAR YOU AS WELL AS OUR FRIENDS
00:31:04VIA C-SPAN WHO WILL BE WATCHING THIS PRESENTATION LATER ON.
00:31:13>> THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING.
00:31:14HOW MANY OR WHAT PERCENTAGE
00:31:18WOULD YOU SAY OF THE TOTAL MEN ON BOARD THESE BRITISH SHIPS
00:31:24WERE FOREIGN PRESSMAN?
00:31:29ANDREW: GREAT QUESTION. BELVEDERE HAD A CREW OF 231 SAILORS.
00:31:33AROUND 37 OF THESE MEN, SO WE
00:31:38COULD SAY ON AVERAGE, 25% OF THE
00:31:40CREW HAS BEEN IMPRESSED.
00:31:42LARGELY, THESE MEN PRESSED TO
00:31:46SERVE ARE EITHER AMERICAN OR IRISH.
00:31:49THE IRISH WERE THE TARGET OF THE BRITISH THROUGHOUT THIS PERIOD.
00:31:51THEY WERE EASY TARGETS TO DRAG
00:31:54ON THEIR SHIP, LOOSELY CLAIM
00:31:59THEY ARE BRITISH CITIZENS. ALL THESE VESSELS BEFORE THEY
00:32:03CAME TO A STATION THAT THEY COULD BE AT WAR WITH.
00:32:07BEFORE THEY CAME TO THE NORTH
00:32:09AMERICAN STATION, CAPTAINS GAVE
00:32:12THEIR CREW THE OPTION TO BE
00:32:16TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER VESSEL RATHER THAN SERVE AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THE GUYS THAT STAYED REALLY WERE
00:32:19NOT BOTHERED BY FIGHTING AGAINST THEIR OWN NATION.
00:32:23THERE ARE SAILORS FEATURED IN THIS BOOK WHO ARE INVOLVED IN
00:32:27THE FIRST ENGAGEMENT AND THEN SAID, I CANNOT DO THIS.
00:32:31I NEED TO BE DISCHARGED.
00:32:32AND THEY BECAME PRISONERS OF
00:32:36WAR. YOU SEE A LARGE CONTINGENT OF AMERICAN MEN AND IRISH MEN
00:32:40PRESSED ALONG WITH BRITISH ABLE SEAMAN.
00:32:44I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY ABOUT A
00:32:46QUARTER OF THE SAILORS ON BOARD
00:32:48AN AVERAGE REDDISH VESSEL OF
00:32:52THIS SIZE WERE PRESSED.
00:32:56>> IT IS NOTED IN THAT DEPICTION
00:33:00THAT IT IS MULTIRACIAL.
00:33:03AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ENGLAND DID NOT GET RID OF SLAVERY UNTIL
00:33:071831. BEFORE THEN, WERE THESE MEN SLAVES ON BOARD?
00:33:12ANDREW: NEVER. >> WHERE THEY IMPRESSED? DID THEY VOLUNTEER?
00:33:20ANDREW: THE TRADE ITSELF WAS
00:33:22ABOLISHED PRIOR TO THAT, BUT
00:33:24DURING THE WAR OF 1812 AND DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION,
00:33:28DUNMORE'S PROCLAMATION DURING
00:33:30THE REVOLUTION -- LORD DUNMORE
00:33:33WAS THE ROYAL GOVERNOR OF VIRGINIA. HE ISSUED A PROCLAMATION IN 1774
00:33:38ALLOWING ENSLAVED PEOPLE TO COME TO THE BRITISH SERVICE, AND THEY
00:33:41WOULD BE FREED AND GIVEN AN
00:33:44OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE CROWN, AND YOU SEE DROVES OF ENSLAVED
00:33:48INDIVIDUALS FLOCKING TO THE CHESAPEAKE AT THAT TIME.
00:33:53EARL BATHURST HAD A DECLARATION,
00:33:54BRITISH EARL, A SIMILAR SORT OF
00:33:57CHALLENGE, AND YOU SEE FORMERLY
00:34:01ENSLAVED PEOPLE EVEN ON THE DELAWARE BAY FLEEING, SEIZING
00:34:04THEIR OWN FREEDOM BY JOINING THE BRITISH NAVY.
00:34:08THEY ARE RATED ON BOARD THESE
00:34:15VESSELS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SAILOR, ABLE SEEMEN -- ABLE
00:34:19SEAMEN.
00:34:23YOU DO NOT SEAMAN'S RACE REALLY DISCUSSED, EVEN AFRICAN-AMERICAN SAILORS.
00:34:30I NEVER KNEW THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE OF COLOR UNTIL I FOUND A
00:34:34PRISON RECORD THAT DESCRIBED THEM.
00:34:39YOUR SOURCE FOR THE CREW, THEY ARE LARGELY COLORBLIND AT THIS POINT.
00:34:43YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANYONE'S RACE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AMERICA,
00:34:47BALTIMORE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AS FAR AS INDIGENOUS PEOPLE
00:34:51SEARCHING FOR BRITISH VESSELS,
00:34:54YOU DO SEE SOME, BUT AGAIN, THESE FOLKS ARE NOT DESCRIBED IN
00:34:58DEPTH. THERE WAS A -- GOD, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE SHIP.
00:35:021794, THERE WAS A SERIES OF PAINTINGS.
00:35:05IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, YOU
00:35:07SEE -- YEAH, IT'S ON THE
00:35:10LEFT-HAND SIDE. THE FELLOW IN THE MIDDLE THERE.
00:35:14HE SERVED ON A BRITISH VESSEL,
00:35:16AND THAT PAINTING IS A MAN FROM
00:35:20VIRGINIA. HE IS DESCRIBED IN AMERICAN DOCUMENTS AS HAVING A YELLOW
00:35:23COMPLEXION, WHICH COULD MEAN A
00:35:26MILANO INDIVIDUAL -- WHICH COULD
00:35:30MEAN A MULATTO INDIVIDUAL,
00:35:35AFRICAN-AMERICAN. THERE'S HENCE LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY BROADCAST
00:35:39ANYWHERE.
00:35:46>> COULD YOU BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE REALITY OF HOW IMPRESSMENT
00:35:50WORKED AS OPPOSED TO THE IMAGE I HAVE IN MY MIND FROM MOVIES?
00:35:57ANDREW: OF COURSE. IMPRESSMENT 80% OF THE TIME
00:36:00HAPPENED AT SEA.
00:36:01LET'S SAY I'M ON A BRITISH PRESS TENDER.
00:36:04A SMALLER VESSEL DEPLOYED BY A
00:36:08BIGGER SHIP.
00:36:12I WILL SEE AN AMERICAN MERCHANT SHIP COMING BY, MAY BE SAILING
00:36:15INTO THE THAMES, AND I'M GOING
00:36:16TO STOP HER, AND I WILL DEPLOY A
00:36:21CREW OF 12 LOYAL SAILORS ONTO
00:36:25THIS AMERICAN VESSEL AND ASKED TO SEE THEIR PROTECTION CERTIFICATES.
00:36:32THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, THEY MUST BE RICH.
00:36:35I WILL BRING THEM TO A HOLD FOR LARGER TENDER IN LONDON AND PUT
00:36:39THEM ON ANOTHER VESSEL WHERE THEY ARE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOLUNTEER.
00:36:43YOU VOLUNTEER, YOU WILL GET
00:36:47WAGES. YOU MIGHT GET A BONUS, AND YOU MIGHT BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR YOUR
00:36:51EXPERIENCE AT SEA. IF YOU FIGHT THAT, YOU ARE A STUBBORN INDIVIDUAL.
00:36:55THEN YOU ARE PRESSED, AND YOU
00:36:57WILL BE INSULTED AS A LANDSMAN
00:37:02WITH NO MONEY, NO WAGES, BUT
00:37:04THESE LARGELY HAPPENED AT SEA.
00:37:08YOU DID HAVE THE IMPRESSED SURFACE ACT THAT ESTABLISHED 21
00:37:10PRESSING PORTS, SO I THINK MAJOR
00:37:14PORT CITIES, THIS ARRAY OF PORT
00:37:21CITIES WHERE YOU HAVE A
00:37:23RENDEZVOUS, SO THINK OF A TAVERN
00:37:26WHERE THEY WOULD HANG OUT AND TRY TO GET VOLUNTEERS, BUT WHEN THEY COULD NOT REACH THEIR
00:37:32QUOTAS, THEY COULD GO INTO SAID
00:37:33TAVERN AND FIND THEN THEY USED
00:37:36THE SEA, BUT IT'S NOT
00:37:41NECESSARILY BREAKING DOWN THE WALLS.
00:37:47IT WAS NORMALLY DONE AT SEA AND
00:37:50WAS JUST TARGETING PROFICIENCY.
00:37:54HERE WE GO.
00:38:00IT IS PROBLEMATIC, OF COURSE,
00:38:05WHEN YOU HAVE AN IMPRESSED WHO ALREADY HAVE PROTECTION
00:38:09CERTIFICATES AND THEY ARE LOST OR DISCARDED OR THEY HAVE COPIES
00:38:12AT CUSTOMS HOUSES, SO THEY CAN
00:38:15PROVE THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE ONE. LONG ANSWER. I APOLOGIZE.
00:38:22>> IF A BRITISH SHIP WAS CAPTURED BY THE AMERICANS, HOW
00:38:26WERE THE AMERICANS SERVING ON BOARD TREATED?
00:38:31ANDREW: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
00:38:34OFTENTIMES, YOU WOULD SEE
00:38:38BRITISH VESSELS GETTING CAPTURED BY AMERICAN SHIPS. THESE MEN WOULD NORMALLY BE
00:38:43PRISONERS FOR A BRIEF TIME BUT THEN DISCHARGE AT A LOCAL PORT.
00:38:45IT WAS NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE, REALLY.
00:38:50AMERICAN VESSELS ARE NOT LOOKING TO DRIVE HOME A STRONG MESSAGE.
00:38:57IT IS ALL A MATTER OF HAVING
00:39:02ENOUGH BODIES TO CREW THESE SHIPS.
00:39:05THAT WAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM BETWEEN BOTH SIDES.
00:39:08I HATE TO SAY IT, AMERICAN VESSELS PRESSED MEN, TOO.
00:39:13I HAVE A COLLEAGUE WHO IS WORKING ON A MASSIVE STUDY OF
00:39:16JACOB JONES, WHO WAS ONE OF
00:39:19LEWIS' HOMETOWN HEROES. GREAT HERO OF THE WAR OF 1812.
00:39:26HIS FAMOUS BATTLE WAS THE WASP AND FROLIC ENGAGEMENT.
00:39:29HE PRESSED MEN IN NORFOLK,
00:39:31VIRGINIA, TO JOIN HIS CREW.
00:39:34I FOUND THIS DOCUMENT LIKE, OH, NO, OUR HEROES, BUT IT'S
00:39:37EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW?
00:39:41>> DURING YOUR RESEARCH, EITHER
00:39:43ON THIS SHIP OR ANOTHER, DID YOU COME ACROSS ANYBODY THAT WAS
00:39:47WITH EITHER THE MERCHANT MARINES
00:39:51AND/OR THE MERCENARIES?
00:39:54AND WHY OR WHY NOT? ANDREW: THE MERCHANT MARINE
00:39:58CONCEPT, JOHN THOMPSON WAS THAT. OUR MODERN-DAY MERCHANT SERVICE
00:40:01AS WE SEE IT TODAY JUST EVOLVED
00:40:05FROM MEN SERVING ON MERCHANT SHIPS, SO YOU SEE A LOT OF MEN
00:40:07WHO HAD MERCHANT SERVICE, YES.
00:40:11AS FAR AS MERCENARIES GO, I THINK YOU CAN CALL MOST OF THESE
00:40:14GUYS MERCENARIES.
00:40:17THEY WANT TO WORK IN THEIR
00:40:21VOCATION MORE THAN ANYTHING.
00:40:23THE PRIVILEGE TO HAVE AN OPINION ON WHAT FLAG HANGS ON THE
00:40:29QUARTERDECK DOES NOT SEEM TO CONCERN THE MUCH AS LONG AS THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT
00:40:32THEMSELVES, SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES, OR THEY ARE ABLE TO
00:40:37WORK IN THE ONLY VOCATION THEY HAVE EVER KNOWN, SO I THINK THE
00:40:41TERM MERCENARY COULD LOOSELY BE
00:40:43USED TWO KIND OF APPLY TO MOST OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
00:40:47YOU HAVE SOME REALLY DEVOUT,
00:40:49PATRIOTIC FOLKS -- I'M TALKING
00:40:51TO PERCENT OF THESE SAILORS --
00:40:54AND YOU CAN TELL THROUGHOUT THEIR ENTIRE LIVES THAT THEY ARE STEADFASTLY DETERMINED TO FIGHT
00:40:59FOR THEIR COUNTRY, AND ONE OF THEM IS FEATURED IN THE BOOK.
00:41:02HE WAS PRESSED INTO THE ROYAL NAVY, AND THIS LIT A FIRE.
00:41:09>> YOU USE THE PHRASE "SEAMEN OF
00:41:16THE LOWER DECK" A COUPLE OF TIMES. FOR THOSE OF US UNFAMILIAR WITH
00:41:19WHAT SHIPS WERE LIKE IN THESE DAYS, COULD YOU GIVE US A FEEL
00:41:22FOR WHAT THE SHIPS WERE LIKE AND WHAT THE LIFE WAS LIKE?
00:41:26ANDREW: CERTAINLY. THE LOWER DECK -- LET ME FIND A
00:41:30PICTURE HERE.
00:41:32I CAN GET ONE OF THE BELVEDERE.
00:41:35YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, IT IS BEING CHASED AWAY.
00:41:38WHEN YOU HEAR THE "LOWER DECK, THIS IS A TERM USED TO DESCRIBE
00:41:43YOUR AVERAGE SAILORS, NON-OFFICERS.
00:41:46YOU WILL OFTEN SEE THE TERM FOR
00:41:50CASTLEMAN OR FALK TILLMAN USED AS WELL.
00:41:57WHEN THAT SLEEP OR LIVE IN FRONT
00:41:58OF THE FOUR MASKED ARE -- OF THE
00:42:10FOREMAST ARE FORECASTLEMEN,
00:42:23FOXHOLEMEN. YOU MIGHT BE USED TO HELP HOLD LINES AND MEDIAL TASKS.
00:42:26YOU ARE AN ORDINARY SEE A MAN --
00:42:31SEAMAN.
00:42:37THE LOWER DECK WAS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE SAILORS, A
00:42:40QUICK GLIMPSE INTO THEIR LIVES. YOUR ENTIRE EXISTENCE REVOLVED
00:42:43AROUND YOUR WATCH.
00:42:46YOU ARE NORMALLY ON FOR ON, FOR
00:42:50OFF WATCH CYCLE, SO HALF THE
00:42:51CREW WOULD BE ASLEEP, THE OTHER HALF WORKING THE SHIP, SAILING
00:42:55THE VESSEL, AND WITHIN THOSE WATCHES, THEY ARE BROKEN UP INTO
00:42:59SMALLER MESSES, AND YOUR MESS IS
00:43:02NORMALLY ABOUT EIGHT MEN. THIS IS THE CREW THAT WILL SERVE
00:43:06THE GUN TOGETHER.
00:43:08THEY WILL HAVE HAMMOCKS IN A SIMILAR LOCATION.
00:43:10THEY WILL EAT EVERY MEAL TOGETHER. THEY WILL OFTEN TRAVEL FROM SHIP
00:43:14TO SHIP TOGETHER. THAT IS NOT UNCOMMON.
00:43:18WE HAVE THREE PRESSED MEN, CURIOUSLY.
00:43:24ALL NEW YORKERS. THREE OF THEM HAVE BEEN ON THREE
00:43:28DIFFERENT VESSELS TOGETHER, SO THESE FELLOWS -- I WAS ABLE TO FIND WHERE THEY LIVED IN NEW
00:43:32YORK. THEY WORK IN THE MERCHANT
00:43:35SERVICE TOGETHER AND TRAVELED TO DIFFERENT SHIPS TOGETHER.
00:43:38THEY HAVE THAT TYPE -- TYPE
00:43:43BOND. THAT REALLY DROVE THESE
00:43:46LOYALTIES MORE THAN ANYTHING. THE MODERN SAYING, AND I BRING
00:43:48IT UP HERE, IS SHIP, SHIPMATE,
00:43:53SELF PEER YOUR LOYALTY AND DEVOTION IS TO YOUR VESSEL,
00:43:56ENSURING THE SAFETY, NEXT TO YOUR SHIPMATE, AND LAST,
00:44:01YOURSELF, AND THAT IS HOW THESE MEN REALLY APPLIED EVEN IN THE 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY.
00:44:05YES? >> I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR
00:44:09SERVICE OR YOUR TIME ABOARD THE SHIP.
00:44:12OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS A LEARNING
00:44:16EXPERIENCE. DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO DO THAT OR WERE YOU PAID DURING THAT TIME?
00:44:21ANDREW: THIS WHEN I WAS ABLE TO SERVE AS A BOATSWAIN'S MATE.
00:44:25I WAS ABLE TO WORK IN A CAPACITY ASSISTING THE SHIP.
00:44:29THIS WAS NOT WHAT I HAD TO PAY FOR. YOU HAVE GUESSED CREW
00:44:31OPPORTUNITIES WHERE YOU CAN PAY. YOU HAVE SOME VOYAGES WHERE YOU
00:44:35CAN GET PAID, AND LARGELY ON TALL SHIPS TODAY, YOU ARE A
00:44:39VOLUNTEER.
00:44:42YOUR TIGHT CREW, YOUR TIGHT OFFICER CORPS, THESE FOLKS ARE
00:44:44NORMALLY PAID FOLKS, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CREW IS
00:44:48VOLUNTEERING TO BE THERE AND IN DOING SO WILL FOLLOW A TRAINING
00:44:51REGIME, AND I VOLUNTEERED TO DIP
00:44:55MY TOE INTO THIS WORLD, BUT IT
00:44:59WAS A REALLY NEAT PROGRAM, PART OF THE SAILING TRUST OUT OF
00:45:03BRITAIN AND ALSO IN NEW ZEALAND AND AUSTRALIA WHERE THEY HELPED
00:45:08TEACH DISABLED FOLKS HOW TO SAIL
00:45:11, AND THEY WERE SET UP SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE WHO
00:45:14NORMALLY WOULD NOT, HENCE MY
00:45:17CROATIAN SHIPMATE HAVING THAT EXPERIENCE AS A CREW MEMBER.
00:45:20IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING. HE WAS A PRODUCT OF THIS PROGRAM.
00:45:26GRIFFIN, WELCOME HOME. GREAT SEEING YOU.
00:45:31>> YOU TALK ABOUT THE FRATERNAL
00:45:32CULTURE ON VESSELS AND HOW
00:45:35PEOPLE OF THE CN PEOPLE OF THE
00:45:37BOAT AND PEOPLE OF THE NATION LESS SO.
00:45:41WHEN WOULD YOU ARGUE THAT BEGINS TO APPEAR WITHIN THE CULTURE OF
00:45:45SAILING? IS THAT AN OLD IDEA THAT HAS
00:45:49CARRIED ON INTO THE MODERN DAY
00:45:52IN THIS SENSE OR SOMETHING DEVELOPING WITHIN THIS COLONIAL
00:45:561700S ERA?
00:45:59ANDREW: GREAT QUESTION.
00:46:00I THINK YOU SEE IN THIS 18TH
00:46:05CENTURY, 19TH CENTURY AS NAVIES START TO FORMALIZE A LITTLE MORE.
00:46:08IN THIS COUNTRY, OUR MARITIME TRADE HAS BEEN THE FOUNDATION OF
00:46:13THIS COUNTRY SINCE ITS INCEPTION, SO YOU DO HAVE A
00:46:16DISTINCT, SHARED CULTURE AMONGST SEAFARERS, THAT SEAFARING
00:46:20FRATERNITY I TALKED ABOUT,
00:46:21LOOKING AT A LEVEL OF RESPECT
00:46:25FOR FOLKS THAT WORK IN A SIMILAR
00:46:27VOCATION, YOU KNOW, THE MODERN
00:46:30RING KNOCKER, IDIOM OF ACADEMY
00:46:33GRADS, HAVE A BOND AMONGST ONE ANOTHER.
00:46:38YOU SEE THAT KIND OF THROUGH LINE DOES NOT MATTER WHAT NATION YOU ARE SERVING WITH.
00:46:43THERE'S A LEVEL OF RESPECT AND UNDERSTANDING.
00:46:44I THINK SAILING LARGELY AT THIS
00:46:48TIME IS AN INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE. I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF
00:46:51THE SAILOR, BUT HE TALKED ABOUT
00:46:53JUST ALL OF THE DIVERSE
00:46:58LANGUAGES SPOKEN ON THE LOWER
00:46:58DECK AND HOW YOU COULD
00:47:04UNDERSTAND SOME SAILORS, AND
00:47:07SOME SPOKE ONLY IRISH GAELIC, SOME ONLY SPANISH, BUT THEIR
00:47:10COMMON LANGUAGE WAS THE FUNCTION OF SAILING A SHIP AND THEY HAD
00:47:13THAT LEVEL OF RESPECT, SO KIND OF AN INCLUSIVE FRATERNITY OF
00:47:17FELLOW SAILORS.
00:47:24I DO KNOW THAT ANSWERED, BUT I HOPE.
00:47:28>> LIKE THERE'S THREE PEOPLE -- EDWARDS, GIBSON, CHAMBERLAIN,
00:47:32SAILED ON MANY BRITISH SHIPS BUT
00:47:34WERE FROM NEW YORK.
00:47:37WERE THEY ABLE AT THE END OF
00:47:39THEIR LIVES FOR THE END OF THEIR
00:47:44SEAFARING DAYS TO COME BACK TO THE UNITED STATES AND PICK UP THEIR CITIZENSHIP OR WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
00:47:49ANDREW: YEAH, THEY WERE.
00:47:51THEY HAD NO PROBLEMS DOING THAT. YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE
00:47:55BRANDED ANY OTHER TIME AS A TRAITOR, BUT THE LINES BETWEEN
00:47:58SERVICES WERE SO THIN, AND SO
00:48:02MANY SAILORS HOPPED ABOARD
00:48:05DIFFERENT VESSELS AND DIFFERENT
00:48:07NATIONS' FLAGS, ANOTHER FELLOW WHO IS FEATURED IN THE BOOK,
00:48:11ELIAS HUTCHINS, FROM MODERN-DAY KENNEBUNKPORT IN MAINE.
00:48:15HE SERVED OVER THE COURSE OF HIS
00:48:18LIFE ON 48 DIFFERENT SHIPS.
00:48:19HE WAS IN THE BRITISH NAVY,
00:48:22UNITED STATES NAVY, PART -- PRIVATEERS, MERCHANT SHIPS, AND
00:48:26HE WENT BACK HOME AFTER ALL OF THIS.
00:48:28EVERYBODY THOUGHT HE WAS DEAD. HIS MOTHER DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.
00:48:32HE DID NOT HAVE A DOLLAR TO HIS NAME, BUT HE WAS ABLE TO COME
00:48:36BACK HOME AFTER ALL OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT NECESSARILY
00:48:38GET LOST IN THE WEEDS, BUT THESE
00:48:41PEOPLE ARE THE LOWER SORT, THE
00:48:45LABORING PEOPLE, NOT REALLY THE
00:48:46TARGET OF A FEDERAL AGENDA TO
00:48:52EXCLUDE FROM RETURNING AND RE-ACCLIMATING TO SOCIETY
00:48:54FOLLOWING THE WAR.
00:49:00>> THANK YOU.
00:49:08I JUST WANTED TO TAKE AN
00:49:11OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING THIS MORNING AND FOR
00:49:15YOUR VERY INSIGHTFUL QUESTIONS.
00:49:17IF YOU HAVE A MOMENT, WE REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE TAKE OUR SURVEY.
00:49:21YOU CAN FIND THE SURVEY ELECTRONICALLY IN THE PROGRAM
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00:49:31HAND IT IN AS YOU EXIT.
00:49:33ANDREW WILL KINDLY SIGN BOOKS.
00:49:37PLEASE SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BOOKSTORES.
00:49:44COPIES OF HIS BOOK AND OTHERS ARE AVAILABLE OUTSIDE IN THE
00:49:47HALLWAY WHICH, AGAIN, ANDREW BE SIGNING MOMENTARILY.
00:49:51PLEASE JOIN US AT 10:34 OUR NEXT SESSION BETWEEN JOSEPH WITH HIS
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00:50:08ANDREW FOR HIS VERY INSIGHTFUL PRESENTATION.
00:50:12>> FRIDAY, A BIPARTISAN DISCUSSION ON THE MIDTERM
00:50:15ELECTIONS FEATURING FORMER
00:50:19COLORADO DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TIM WIRTH AND OR CONNECTICUT REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN CHRIS
00:50:22SHAYS, JOINED BY DASHA BURNS.
00:50:27THEY WILL ALSO DISCUSS THE CURRENT STATE OF CONGRESS AND
00:50:29THE IMPACT OF MONEY IN POLITICS. WATCH FRIDAY AT 7:00 P.M. AND
00:50:3410:00 P.M. EASTERN AND PACIFIC ONLY ON C-SPAN.
00:50:42>> WATCH "AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB,"
00:50:45C-SPAN'S BOLD, ORIGINAL SERIES
00:50:47SUNDAY WITH OUR GUEST, NATIONAL JOURNALIST AND AUTHOR, LOIS ROMANO.
00:50:52HER BEST-SELLING BOOK ON MARY TODD LINCOLN REVEALS THE LIFE OF
00:50:56A FIRST LADY WHO NAVIGATED PERSONAL TURMOIL AND PUBLIC SCRUTINY DURING ONE OF THE MOST
00:51:00CONSEQUENTIAL MOMENTS IN U.S. HISTORY.
00:51:03LOIS ROMANO SERVED AS AN EDITOR,
00:51:05COLUMNIST, AND REPORTER FOR "THE
00:51:08WASHINGTON POST" AND POLITICO
00:51:10AND IS BEST KNOWN FOR HER IN-DEPTH COVERAGE OF AMERICAN POLITICAL CULTURE.
00:51:16SHE JOINS OUR HOST, RENOWNED AUTHOR AND CIVIC THEATER DAVID
00:51:19RUBENSTEIN AT THE HISTORIC
00:51:23FORD'S THEATRE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., FOR A LIVELY DISCUSSION ABOUT MISCONCEPTIONS OF MARY
00:51:28TODD LINCOLN AND THE PRESIDENCY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN. DAVID: YOU DECIDED TO WRITE A
00:51:31BOOK ABOUT MARY TODD LINCOLN. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO WRITE A
00:51:36BOOK, AND WHAT WAS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT HER REPUTATION THAT LED
00:51:38YOU TO WRITE THIS BOOK?
00:51:41>> HER BIOGRAPHY WAS NOT WELL-ROUNDED.
00:51:44SHE WAS JUDGED BY SOME OF HER FLAWS, AND NO ONE SHOULD BE
00:51:49JUDGED BY ONLY HER FLAWS. FROM THE BEGINNING, I FELT SUCH
00:51:52COMPASSION, AND BY THE END, I
00:51:56JUST FELT SO DEEPLY FOR HER. DURING THE COU H
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