CSPAN3 — Ben Rhodes All We Say

20260822 13:01 UTC · 01:07:00 · 1222 transcript segments · GDELT Visual Explorer · plain-text transcript · Event Map

Former Obama Administration speechwriter Ben Rhodes discussed American identity and the history of the country through fifteen speeches dating from the earliest days of the United States to the 21st century. This event took place at Politics and Prose Bookstore in Washington, D.C.<br /><br />Sponsor: Politics and Prose Bookstore

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00:00:00NIXON FOUNDATION, SIR, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?
00:00:03I JUST WANT YOU TO TAKE BACK TO TO THAT IS THAT THE AMERICAN
00:00:08NIXON OR NIXON CIVICS ACADEMY IS
00:00:13USING HIS WORK IN OUR TEACHING OF OUR YOUNGSTERS.
00:00:15WHAT CIVICS IS ALL ABOUT AND HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS.
00:00:20AND WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT LONG AFTER WE'RE ALL GONE.
00:00:24FANTASTIC. I KNOW HE'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THERE IS A GENTLEMAN.
00:00:28THANK YOU.
00:00:29BOOK TV CONTINUES NOW TELEVISION
00:00:32FOR SERIOUS READERS.
00:00:36ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED TO BE
00:00:38HOSTING BEN RHODES, WHO'S HERE TO TALK ABOUT HIS NEW BOOK, ALL
00:00:42WE SAY THE BATTLE FOR AMERICAN
00:00:46IDENTITY A HISTORY OF 15
00:00:50SPEECHES. IN THIS, THE 250TH YEAR SINCE
00:00:53AMERICA'S INDEPENDENCE, BEN HAS
00:00:56TAKEN A VERY INTERESTING AND
00:00:58ILLUMINATING APPROACH TO THE
00:01:00QUESTION OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN AMERICAN.
00:01:04THAT'S A QUESTION, OF COURSE,
00:01:06THAT WE AS A NATION HAVE BEEN
00:01:08DEBATING PRETTY MUCH SINCE THE FOUNDING.
00:01:10AND AS BEN NOTES, IT REMAINS A
00:01:14DEEPLY DIVIDING MATTER.
00:01:17TODAY, OUR AMERICANS, FOR
00:01:19INSTANCE, DEFINED AS SOME IN THE
00:01:22CURRENT CURRENT ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR SUPPORTERS WOULD
00:01:26CONTEND BY A PARTICULAR HERITAGE, GEOGRAPHY AND WAY OF
00:01:31LIFE ROOTED IN CONSERVATIVE AND
00:01:34CHRISTIAN VALUES, OR ARE
00:01:36AMERICANS DEFINED AS BEN AND MANY OTHERS MAINTAINED BY A
00:01:40BELIEF IN A SET OF PRINCIPLES INHERITED FROM THE NATION'S FOUNDING?
00:01:45A CREED THAT VALUES EQUALITY,
00:01:47DIVERSITY, INCLUSIVE LIBERTY AND
00:01:51TOLERANCE AND TRACING. THE LONG TIME ARGUMENT OVER
00:01:56AMERICAN IDENTITY, BEN TELLS THE STORY OF 15 SPEECHES.
00:01:59SOME I CONIC, OTHERS NOT
00:02:03GENERALLY REMEMBERED. THE SPEECHES AREN'T INTENDED TO
00:02:07REPRESENT THE GREATEST IN OUR
00:02:09HISTORY, BUT EACH NONETHELESS IS
00:02:11A CONSEQUENTIAL.
00:02:14THEY RANGE FROM BEN FRANKLIN'S CLOSING ARGUMENT AT THE
00:02:18CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION OF
00:02:201787 IN FAVOR OF COMPROMISE THROUGH ALEXANDER STUART STEVENS
00:02:26CASE FOR WHITE SUPREMACY. AS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE
00:02:30CONFEDERACY. LINCOLN'S SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS.
00:02:33MARY LISA'S POPULIST BLAST
00:02:35AGAINST WALL STREET AND 1891 AND
00:02:39MARTIN LUTHER KING JR'S DREAM OF
00:02:41TRUE EQUALITY RIGHT UP TO DONALD TRUMP'S STRONGMAN.
00:02:45ASSUMPTION OF POWER AT HIS
00:02:49SECOND INAUGURATION, BEN LOOKS NOT ONLY AT THE WORDS THAT WERE
00:02:53SPOKEN, BUT ALSO AT THE PERSON
00:02:56BEHIND THEM AND THE MOVEMENT THAT GAVE RISE TO THEM.
00:02:59PLUS, WHAT THE SPEECHES CONVEYED
00:03:01ABOUT AMERICAN IDENTITY.
00:03:04BEN HIMSELF KNOWS A LOT ABOUT
00:03:07SPEECHWRITING. HE SERVED AS CHIEF SPEECHWRITER AND DEPUTY NATIONAL SECURITY
00:03:10ADVISOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE UNDER BARACK OBAMA.
00:03:13THESE DAYS, HE CO-HOSTS THE
00:03:15FOREIGN POLICY PODCAST POD POD
00:03:17SAVE THE WORLD OFFERS ANALYSIS
00:03:19ON MSNBC'S NOW AND CONTRIBUTES
00:03:22OPINION PIECES TO THE NEW YORK TIMES.
00:03:25HIS PREVIOUS BOOKS INCLUDE THE
00:03:27WORLD AS IT IS, WHICH WAS A
00:03:29MEMOIR OF HIS TIME IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:03:32AND AFTER THE FALL, WHICH EXPLORED HOW THE WORLD HAS COME
00:03:34TO BE SUCH AN ILLIBERAL,
00:03:38AUTHORITARIAN MESS IN
00:03:41CONVERSATION WITH BEN WILL BE ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST PROMINENT POLITICAL REPORTERS.
00:03:45SUSAN PAGE, WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF OF USA TODAY.
00:03:48SHE'S ALSO A TALENTED
00:03:51BIOGRAPHER, HAVING PROFILED BARBARA BUSH AND THE MATRIARCH
00:03:55NANCY PELOSI. AND MADAM SPEAKER AND BARBARA
00:03:57WALTERS IN THE RULE BREAKER. HER MOST RECENT BOOK, PUBLISHED
00:04:01LAST MONTH, IS THE QUEEN AND HER PRESIDENTS ABOUT QUEEN
00:04:07ELIZABETH, THE SECOND IS RELATIONSHIPS WITH QUITE A FEW
00:04:09AMERICAN PRESIDENTS. SO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE
00:04:13JOIN ME IN WELCOMING BEN RHODES AND SUSAN PAGE.
00:04:29YOU GOT QUITE A CROWD.
00:04:32IT'S KIND OF A HOMETOWN THING, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE.
00:04:36YEAH, I KIND OF STACKED IT. IT LOOKS LIKE A BOOK BUYING CROWD TO ME. WELL, LET'S HOPE SO, GUYS.
00:04:40YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S SUCH AN HONOR TO BE HERE
00:04:43TO TALK ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL NEW
00:04:46BOOK ABOUT THE DEBATE OVER
00:04:49AMERICAN IDENTITY, ABOUT WHAT AMERICAN IDENTITY IS, WHO GETS
00:04:53TO BELONG AND WHO GETS TO DECIDE
00:04:55AS FRAMED BY THESE 15 NOTABLE
00:05:00SPEECHES. AND I WONDER WHY. WHY DID YOU DO DECIDE TO USE
00:05:04SPEECHES AS THE FRAME FOR THIS BOOK? SO FIRST OF ALL, IT'S GREAT TO
00:05:08BE AT THIS WONDERFUL BOOKSTORE, WHICH I WAS JUST SAYING I GHOST WROTE.
00:05:12MY FIRST BOOK DOWNSTAIRS IS IN THE COFFEE SHOP AND IT'S GREAT
00:05:16TO BE WITH SOMEONE WHO I'VE BEEN A SOURCE FOR. IT'S ALWAYS A KIND OF
00:05:19INTERESTING ROLE REVERSAL TO BE
00:05:22INTERVIEWED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.
00:05:24SO THE GERM OF THIS WAS DURING MY LAST BOOK, WHICH IS VERY
00:05:27APTLY DESCRIBED WHEN I WAS WRITING ABOUT AUTHORITARIANS.
00:05:30ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED IS
00:05:32THAT PUTIN, TRUMP, XI JINPING,
00:05:35VIKTOR ORBAN, THE PEOPLE I WAS WRITING ABOUT, YES, THEY HAD AN
00:05:39AUTHORITARIAN PLAYBOOK THAT THEY DEPLOYED TO GET POWER, BUT THEY
00:05:42ALSO HAD A FIXATION ON HISTORY
00:05:45AND MAKING THE STORY OF THE COUNTRIES THAT THEY AIMED TO
00:05:49CONTROL, ESSENTIALLY A PREQUEL TO THEIR ASSUMPTION OF POWER.
00:05:52AND SO I GOT INTERESTED IN THIS IDEA OF GOING BACK THROUGH
00:05:56HISTORY TO UNDERSTAND THE MOMENT THAT WE'RE IN NOW.
00:05:59AND FRANKLY, I WANTED TO ESCAPE
00:06:02THE PRESENT BY GOING INTO THE
00:06:04PAST, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON TO PICK UP THE BOOK.
00:06:08BUT I'M NOT AN HISTORIAN AND I'M SELF-AWARE ABOUT THAT.
00:06:11BUT AS A SPEECHWRITER AND I THINK THERESA PLOD IS HERE,
00:06:15WHO'S ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES, I USED TO BEFORE I WOULD WRITE A
00:06:20SPEECH, I WOULD TRY TO READ
00:06:22OTHER SPEECHES FROM HISTORY THAT
00:06:24COULD INFORM THAT SPEECH.
00:06:26SO IF WE WERE GOING TO GERMANY,
00:06:29I'D READ SPEECHES AT KENNEDY AND
00:06:31REAGAN GAVE IN BERLIN OR OBAMA WAS GOING TO ADDRESS CIVIL RIGHTS.
00:06:34I'D READ KING AND DOUGLASS AND I
00:06:37LEARNED IN THAT PROCESS HOW THE
00:06:40ISSUES THAT WE TALK ABOUT TODAY HAVE THESE DEEP ROOTS THAT HAVE
00:06:44BEEN DEBATED AND TALKED ABOUT
00:06:46AND DISCUSSED THROUGH AMERICANS WHO WERE TRYING TO PERSUADE OR
00:06:50MOBILIZE THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY.
00:06:51IN ESSENCE, SPEECHES ARE THE
00:06:55QUINTESSENTIAL EXPERIENCE OF HISTORY IN THE PRESENT TENSE.
00:06:58WHEN YOU READ A SPEECH, YOU SEE
00:07:01HOW PEOPLE WERE CHANNELING MOVEMENTS INTO WORDS AT THE TIME, HOW PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO
00:07:05BUILD MOVEMENTS FOR CHANGE. AT THE TIME.
00:07:08AND SO I THOUGHT THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE A UNIQUE VANTAGE POINT
00:07:10TO UNDERSTAND THIS DEBATE THAT
00:07:13WE'VE BEEN HAVING ABOUT IDENTITY.
00:07:15WHO IS IN AMERICA AND WHO GETS
00:07:17TO DECIDE THAT QUESTION?
00:07:19FROM OUR FOUNDING TO TODAY.
00:07:21AND SO THE GOAL AND TOOK ME A
00:07:23YEAR OF READING HUNDREDS OF
00:07:26SPEECHES TO CURATE 15 THAT
00:07:28THROUGH WRITING ABOUT THE LIVES
00:07:30OF THE PEOPLE, THE MOVEMENTS THAT PRODUCED THEM, WHAT WAS
00:07:33GOING ON IN AMERICA AT THE TIME, THE SETTING FOR THE SPEECH AND WHAT KIND OF MOMENTUM CAME OUT
00:07:37OF THE SPEECH. I COULD TELL A SINGLE VOLUME
00:07:41STORY OF AMERICA AND THE DEBATE WE'VE BEEN HAVING OVER IDENTITY
00:07:43FROM THE BEGINNING. SO A DEBATE THAT LASTED 250
00:07:47YEARS AND NOT OVER YET.
00:07:51CLEARLY, AND JUST 15 SPEECHES AND AS BRAD SAID, SOME OF THEM
00:07:55ARE FAMOUS SPEECHES. I HAVE A DREAM FOR LINCOLN'S SECOND INAUGURAL.
00:08:00SOME OF THEM ARE SPEECHES BY PEOPLE I HAD NEVER HEARD OF.
00:08:03AND I WONDER HOW YOU WENT ABOUT
00:08:05LOCATING THESE SPEECHES,
00:08:07ESPECIALLY THE OBSCURE ONES AND WHETHER IT WAS HARD TO GET IT
00:08:12DOWN TO 15. IT WAS. AND I DIDN'T START WITH THAT NUMBER IN MIND.
00:08:15I DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY WAS GOING TO BE. AND AND I KNEW I DIDN'T WANT A
00:08:19GREATEST HITS ALBUM. THIS IS NOT AN ANTHOLOGY.
00:08:23THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO TELL ONE NARRATIVE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRY
00:08:26THROUGH THESE SPEECHES. AND I STRUGGLED. I HAD THIS BIG LIST AND THE
00:08:29THING THAT UNLOCKED IT FOR ME,
00:08:31SUSAN, IS I FOUND THIS SPEECH BY
00:08:34BENJAMIN FRANKLIN. THAT WAS THE CLOSING ARGUMENT AT
00:08:37THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. AND FRANKLIN, FIRST OF ALL, AS A
00:08:41WONDERFUL PERSON TO SPEND TIME WITH IN HIS LIFE, HE CHANGED HIS MIND.
00:08:45HE WAS A PRAGMATIST. HE WAS AGAINST INDEPENDENCE UNTIL HE WAS FOR IT.
00:08:49HE WAS FOR SLAVERY UNTIL HE WAS AGAINST IT.
00:08:53AND IN THAT SPEECH AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, IT'S
00:08:56LITERALLY THE LAST WORDS SPOKEN TO THE DELEGATES BEFORE THEY'RE
00:09:00ASKED FOR THEIR SIGNATURE. AND FRANKLIN HAD BEEN SCARRED
00:09:03BECAUSE IN 1764, HE HAD PROPOSED
00:09:05A UNION OF THE COLONIES BASED ON
00:09:08THE UNION OF THE IROQUOIS
00:09:10NATIONS THAT HAD NASU
00:09:14CONFEDERATION THAT WOULD BEEN REJECTED BY THE COLONIAL ASSEMBLY.
00:09:17SO HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT REJECTION OF RATIFICATION.
00:09:20AND SO HIS GOAL WAS UNANIMITY
00:09:24AND IN HIS SPEECH HE SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.
00:09:27IT'S QUITE REMARKABLE. THE ENTIRE SPEECH IS ABOUT THE
00:09:30VIRTUE OF COMPROMISE ITSELF. AND HIS CORE ARGUMENT IS
00:09:34ESSENTIALLY WE REJECT THE IDEA THAT ANYBODY IS INFALLIBLE.
00:09:38THAT'S WHAT GOT US INTO TROUBLE IN EUROPE. WE HAD TO LEAVE EUROPE BECAUSE
00:09:40THERE WAS A KING OR A RELIGIOUS ORDER THAT SAID IT HAD ALL THE ANSWERS.
00:09:45IN THIS ROOM THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT, YES, HAVE DIFFERENT
00:09:48WISDOM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT PREJUDICES IN DIFFERENT INTERESTS. AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO
00:09:52HAVE A COUNTRY IS IF WE CAN GET BEHIND AN IMPERFECT DOCUMENT.
00:09:55THIS IS THIS MAN WAS NO ORIGINALIST. HE WAS SAYING THIS DOCUMENT IS
00:09:59IMPERFECT, BUT IT'S THE BEST WE CAN EXPECT.
00:10:03AND WHAT I REALIZE IS THAT THAT COMPROMISE MADE THE UNION POSSIBLE.
00:10:07BUT IT ALSO SET IN MOTION SENSE AND MOTION THE ENTIRE BATTLE FOR
00:10:11IDENTITY TO COME BECAUSE THEY COMPROMISED ABOUT REALLY BIG
00:10:14THINGS SLAVERY, THE NATURE OF
00:10:17CITIZENSHIP, WHO WOULD HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THE FRANCHISE?
00:10:22WHAT IS THE NATURE OF IMMIGRATION? DIFFERENT STATES HAD DIFFERENT IMMIGRATION POLICIES, AND THAT'S
00:10:25WHAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING ABOUT EVER SINCE.
00:10:27AND IF YOU JUST TAKE THE FIRST
00:10:29FIVE, I WANTED TO SHOW A REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE OF
00:10:34DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON THAT DEBATE.
00:10:36SO THE SECOND SPEECH IS BY
00:10:38SENECA CHIEF RED JACKET REJECT DING, A WHITE MISSIONARY WHO HAS
00:10:43COME TO CONVERT THE SENECA BY MAKING ACTUALLY A CASE FOR
00:10:47PLURALISM. I THOUGHT YOU PEOPLE WERE FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. WE WANT TO WORSHIP THE WAY WE
00:10:51WANT TO WORSHIP. THEN MARIA STUART, ANOTHER MORE
00:10:53OBSCURE PERSON WHO WAS THE FIRST
00:10:56BLACK WOMAN, FIRST WOMAN TO ADDRESS A MIXED RACE, MIXED
00:11:00GENDER AUDIENCE IN THIS COUNTRY IN 1830. BOSTON GIVING A SPEECH FOR
00:11:04ABOLITIONISM FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS
00:11:06AND FOR BLACK AND FEMALE EMPOWERMENT THROUGH EDUCATION,
00:11:10LIGHTING THE SPARK. THIS IS BEFORE THE SENECA FALLS.
00:11:13THIS IS BEFORE FREDERICK DOUGLASS, YOU KNOW, PLANTING
00:11:17SEEDS, A SPEECH THAT KIND OF PLANT SEEDS THAT GROW IN OTHER PEOPLE'S VOICES.
00:11:21THEN I HAVE ALEXANDER STEPHENS,
00:11:23THE VICE PRESIDENT CONFEDERACY, LITERALLY SAYING THE QUIET PART
00:11:26OUT LOUD AND MAKING A CASE FOR WHITE SUPREMACY IS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE CONFEDERACY.
00:11:30AND THEN LINCOLN'S SECOND INAUGURAL SEEKING TO RESOLVE THE
00:11:33DEBATE AND SAYING THIS IS A WAR OF EMANCIPATION.
00:11:37FRANKLY, ALL THE SACRIFICES THAT
00:11:39WE'VE BEEN THROUGH, WE DESERVE FOR THE CRIME OF AMERICAN SLAVERY.
00:11:42BUT WE NOW HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A JUST AND LASTING PEACE THROUGH A MULTIRACIAL
00:11:47DEMOCRACY. THE WHOLE ARGUMENT IS IN THOSE FIRST FIVE AND THE SPOILER ALERT
00:11:52IS THAT ARGUMENT KEEPS REPEATING
00:11:55THROUGH EACH OF THE NEXT TEN SPEECHES AS WELL. SO THE SPEECH YOU INCLUDE FROM
00:11:59FROM YOUR FORMER BOSS, FROM
00:12:01PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS NOT THE 24
00:12:03CONVENTION SPEECH WHICH BROUGHT US ALL TO OUR FEET.
00:12:06I REMEMBER BEING IN THE PRESS STAND FOR THAT SPEECH. DID NOT LISTENING THAT MUCH AT
00:12:10THE START, BUT LISTENING VERY CLOSELY. BY THE END, IT WAS SUCH A GREAT SPEECH.
00:12:14IT'S NOT ONE OF HIS INAUGURAL ADDRESSES. YOU CHOOSE WHAT WAS IMMEDIATELY
00:12:19DUBBED THE RACE SPEECH.
00:12:21WHY DID YOU INCLUDE THAT ONE?
00:12:25SO TO PULL BACK THE CURTAIN A LITTLE BIT, I ORIGINALLY DIDN'T
00:12:30ORIGINALLY BE. I PICKED BARACK OBAMA'S FAVORITE
00:12:32SPEECH, WHICH IS THE SPEECH HE
00:12:35GAVE IN 2015 AT SELMA ON THE
00:12:38ANNIVERSARY OF BLOODY SUNDAY, WHICH IS A VERY TRIUMPHALIST SPEECH.
00:12:42I MEAN, ONE OF THE BASIC ARGUMENTS OF THE BOOK IS THAT
00:12:44ESSENTIALLY AMERICA CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS A DEBATE, A
00:12:48COMPETITION, EVEN A CONFLICT BETWEEN TWO STORIES, A STORY OF
00:12:52AN INHERITED EXCEPTIONALISM.
00:12:54AND I BEGIN THE PROLOG WITH J.D. VANCE ESSENTIALLY SAYING AMERICA
00:12:58IS NOT A CREED. IT'S NOT THE DECLARATION OF
00:13:02INDEPENDENCE. AMERICA IS A PARTICULAR PEOPLE
00:13:04FROM A PARTICULAR PLACE AT WITH A PARTICULAR WAY OF LIFE, WHICH
00:13:08TO ME IS GIVING VOICE TO THE
00:13:10IDEA THAT ESSENTIALLY IT IS A
00:13:14WESTERN, WHITE, CHRISTIAN NATION
00:13:17WHERE OTHER PEOPLE CAN COME AND
00:13:20BE FULLY A PART OF AMERICA, BUT THEY HAVE TO KIND OF BE
00:13:24SUBORDINATE TO AN ESTABLISHED
00:13:25AND INHERITED IDENTITY.
00:13:29THEN THE OTHER STORY IS ONE OF PROGRESSIVE EXCEPTIONALISM THAT
00:13:32AMERICA IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND THAT THE ENTIRE AMERICAN STORY IS ABOUT TRYING TO LIVE UP
00:13:36TO THE CREED OF EQUALITY THAT WE
00:13:38HAVE NEVER LIVED UP TO THE TITLE OF THE BOOK, ALL WE SAY REFERS
00:13:43TO MARTIN LUTHER KING'S SPEECH THE NIGHT BEFORE HE WAS KILLED,
00:13:45WHERE HE SAID, ALL WE SAY TO AMERICA IS BE TRUE TO WHAT YOU
00:13:49SAID ON PAPER, WHICH I THINK IS THE PERFECT SUMMATION OF THAT IDEA.
00:13:52THAT'S THE AMERICA OF BEN FRANKLIN IN ITS FIRST ACT AND
00:13:57LAST PUBLIC ACT AFTER THE CONSTITUTION PETITIONING
00:14:00CONGRESS TO ABOLISH SLAVERY. THAT'S FRANKLIN SAYING, WE DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB.
00:14:03THAT'S FREDERICK DOUGLASS. THAT'S THE SUFFRAGE MOVEMENT.
00:14:06THAT'S THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THAT'S THE WORKERS RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THAT'S DOLORES HUERTA, WHO'S IN
00:14:10THE BOOK. AND BARACK OBAMA REPRESENTS THAT
00:14:15STORY. SELMA WAS A TRIUMPHALIST ORATION.
00:14:18THEN DONALD TRUMP WON THE JUNE
00:14:2124TH PRESIDENTIAL ACTION, AND MY EDITOR CALLED ME AND HE SAID,
00:14:24I'M NOT SURE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO END THE BOOK ON SELMA.
00:14:28AND I HAD ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY HAD PAT BUCHANAN'S 1992 SPEECH,
00:14:31THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION, AND THEN OBAMA AT SELMA, ENDING THE BOOK.
00:14:35AND SO I WENT BACK AND I LOOKED AT THE RACE SPEECH, WHICH IF YOU
00:14:39READ IT NOW, IS ACTUALLY ALMOST
00:14:41MORE RELEVANT TODAY THAN IT WAS
00:14:43THEN, BECAUSE IT'S A DEFENSE OF
00:14:46MULTIRACIAL DEMOCRACY THAT IS
00:14:48SIMULTANEOUSLY VERY PERSONAL AND
00:14:50VERY UNIVERSAL.
00:14:52I REMEMBER WE HUSTLED TO PUT THAT SPEECH.
00:14:56JON FAVREAU WAS THE SPEECHWRITER, THE CHIEF SPEECHWRITER ON THE CAMPAIGN.
00:14:59HE WROTE A DRAFT SEND IT TO OBAMA, BECAUSE WE'RE IN THIS
00:15:03TERRIBLE CONTROVERSY OVER REVEREND WRIGHT'S SERMONS AND
00:15:09BARACK OBAMA TOOK THE DRAFT, DID
00:15:09AN ALL NIGHTER, SEND IT BACK?
00:15:13FAVREAU I REMEMBER CALLING ME OVER HIS LAPTOP AND SAYING,
00:15:15YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THIS AND I
00:15:17SEE A PAGE OF BLACK AND THEN I
00:15:19SEE PAGE AFTER PAGE AFTER PAGE
00:15:22OF RED TRACK CHANGES. AND THEN I SEE A PAGE OF BLACK.
00:15:25AND OBAMA HAD WRITTEN THE WHOLE THING HIMSELF, WHICH HE'D NEVER DONE BEFORE.
00:15:29I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE WAS SHOWING OFF WITH THE TRACK CHANGES OR IF HE'S JUST A MIDDLE
00:15:33AGED DAD WHO DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO ACCEPT THEM. BUT THE CORE OF THAT SPEECH IS
00:15:38HIM FIRST PERSONALLY SAYING, I CAN NO MORE DISOWN REVEREND
00:15:43WRIGHT THAN I CAN DISOWN MY WHITE GRANDMOTHER WHO I'VE HEARD
00:15:46SAY THINGS THAT MADE ME CRINGE. ESSENTIALLY, I'M NOT DOING
00:15:49JUSTICE TO THE RHETORIC, BUT WHAT HE'S SAYING IS.
00:15:53WHO AMONG US RIGHT, IS WITHOUT
00:15:55ANY PREJUDICE? REVEREND WRIGHT HAS DONE WONDERFUL THINGS.
00:15:59HE'S ALSO SAID THINGS THAT I PROFOUNDLY DISAGREE WITH.
00:16:03MY WHITE GRANDMOTHER HAS DONE WONDERFUL THINGS. SHE'S ALSO SAID THINGS LIKE,
00:16:06THAT'S AMERICA. THAT'S EVERYBODY'S FAMILY IN AMERICA.
00:16:10AND IF WE REJECT AND CANCEL AND
00:16:12I MEAN, IRONICALLY, HE'S GIVING A SPEECH AGAINST CANCEL CULTURE
00:16:16IN 2008.
00:16:18BUT THEN HE GOES INTO THE BLACK
00:16:20AND WHITE PERSPECTIVE OF RACE
00:16:23AND HE SAYS THE BLACK EXPERIENCE IN THIS COUNTRY EXPLAINS
00:16:27REVEREND WRIGHT'S RHETORIC. THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT DIDN'T SOLVE INEQUALITY.
00:16:30HE TALKED ABOUT HOUSING. HE TALKED ABOUT THE EDUCATION GAP.
00:16:33HE TALKED ABOUT THE INCOME GAP.
00:16:35BUT IN STARK WAYS, IN WAYS THAT
00:16:39WOULD HAVE BEEN FAMILIAR TO KING OR JESSE JACKSON. BUT THEN HE TALKS ABOUT THE
00:16:42WHITE WORKING CLASS, AND THERE'S A LINE THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME.
00:16:46HE SAYS, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL PARTICULARLY PRIVILEGED BY THEIR RACE.
00:16:52THEY'VE BEEN THE SUBJECT TO DEINDUSTRIALIZATION.
00:16:56THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WERE ASKED TO BUS THEIR KIDS ACROSS TOWN,
00:16:59EVEN IF I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, THEY'RE THE ONES
00:17:03WHO FEEL LIKE IF THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT CRIME, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE CALLED RACIST.
00:17:07THAT'S BARACK OBAMA SAYING THIS,
00:17:08NOT DONALD TRUMP OR EVENTS HIS
00:17:12ABILITY TO INHABIT. BOTH EXPERIENCE IS, I THINK WAS
00:17:15WHAT MADE HIM A UNIQUE POLITICAL FIGURE AND KIND OF BRIDGED THE
00:17:18ACTIVIST TRADITION IN THIS COUNTRY WITH THE POLITICAL POWER
00:17:21IN THIS COUNTRY. AND ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE'S SAYING
00:17:24IS PEOPLE HAVE USED RACE TO
00:17:26DIVIDE US FOR THEIR OWN PURPOSES.
00:17:29AND IF PEOPLE CAN PUT THAT ASIDE AND ACCEPT THAT WE HAVE MORE IN
00:17:33COMMON THAN WHAT DIVIDES US, WE CAN SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS THAT
00:17:36HAVE FESTERED FOR TOO LONG. AND IT WAS A VERY RESONANT
00:17:40MESSAGE IN THIS SECOND, TRUMP
00:17:42TERM BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF THE
00:17:44ANTITHESIS OF THE TRUMP MESSAGE,
00:17:46WHICH IS MY STORY IS ONE,
00:17:51THERE'S ONLY ONE STORY. AND IT'S KIND OF CONCLUDED IN MY
00:17:55ELECTION. WELL, THE THE THE RACE SPEECH,
00:17:59WHICH OBAMA DID NOT REALLY WANT TO GIVE. RIGHT. CAME AT A MOMENT OF REAL
00:18:03POLITICAL PERIL. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE POWER OF SPEECHES.
00:18:06DID THAT SPEECH SUCCEED IN THE MOMENT? YEAH.
00:18:10SO FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS FASCINATING TO GO BACK AND WATCH
00:18:13THE REVEREND WRIGHT CLIPS. I MEAN, MOST OF US HERE ARE OLD
00:18:17ENOUGH TO REMEMBER MAYBE SEEING THEM AT THE TIME. THEY WERE SHOCKING.
00:18:20YOU KNOW, NOW, YOU KNOW, HE
00:18:26BASICALLY SAYS THE CLIPS THAT GOT HIM IN TROUBLE WERE THIS
00:18:28NATION WAS FOUNDED ON RACISM.
00:18:30HE SAID THAT 911 WAS AMERICA'S
00:18:33CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST FOR ITS FOREIGN POLICY OF
00:18:35OPPRESSING PALESTINIANS AND
00:18:37SUPPORTING THE APARTHEID REGIME
00:18:39IN SOUTH AFRICA. I FOUND MYSELF HAVING A PRETTY
00:18:45INTERESTING EXPERIENCE WITH REVEREND WRIGHT, THINKING, YOU
00:18:47KNOW, MAYBE HE GOT A RAW DEAL.
00:18:51GET ME IN TROUBLE.
00:18:53THAT'S ALWAYS MY GOAL. YEAH. NOW WHAT?
00:18:57OBAMA DID SAY ABOUT THAT, I SHOULD SAY, IS THAT THE PROBLEM WITH REVEREND WRIGHT FROM HIS
00:19:00PERSPECTIVE WAS NOT WHAT HE SAID WAS THAT HE BELIEVED THAT AMERICA WAS STATIC AND INCAPABLE OF CHANGE.
00:19:05AND THAT ITS HISTORY SHOWED THAT IT WAS CAPABLE OF CHANGE. SO THAT'S MY CAVEAT. THERE.
00:19:09BUT YEAH, IN THE MOMENT, LOOK, WE WERE LOSING ALTITUDE.
00:19:13WE SEEMED ON OUR WAY TO THE NOMINATION. EVERYTHING WAS GOING GREAT.
00:19:16THESE TAPES, IT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I WENT BACK AND RELIVED
00:19:20THE MOMENT PEOPLE WERE CALLING FOR HIM TO DROP OUT.
00:19:23HE WAS SINKING IN THE POLLS. HE ENDED UP LOSING PENNSYLVANIA BY A LOT.
00:19:27BUT THAT THAT SPEECH BOTH
00:19:30ARRESTED THAT DECLINE.
00:19:33AND IT ALSO, I THINK, CLEARED THE AIR AROUND RACE.
00:19:37THE REASON WAS CALLED THE RACE SPEECH.
00:19:39IS IT INSIDE THE CAMPAIGN? THERE WAS ALWAYS THIS QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT OBAMA HAD TO
00:19:43GIVE A RACE SPEECH AND THERE'D BE MEETINGS AND CONFERENCE CALLS
00:19:46ABOUT DO WE NEED TO DO THE RACE
00:19:48SPEECH AND IN THE END, OBAMA
00:19:51SAID, I'M NOT RUNNING TO BE A RACE, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT.
00:19:54I'M RUNNING TO BE PRESIDENT OF EVERYBODY. BUT WHEN THIS CONTROVERSY
00:19:58HAPPENED, HE SAID, ALL RIGHT, I HAVE TO GIVE THE RACE. SO WE CALLED THAT THE RACE SPEECH, FRANKLY.
00:20:03AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING.
00:20:04AT THE TIME, IT WAS SUCH A
00:20:08POWERFUL ORATION FOR LACK OF A BETTER WAY OF PUTTING IT, THAT
00:20:12IT DID ARREST AGAIN, THAT THAT
00:20:16DECLINE. IT DID MOTIVATE HIS SUPPORTERS.
00:20:18AND IT ALSO KIND OF HE NAMED EVERYTHING HE PUT IT ALL OUT THERE.
00:20:22AND SO HE DIFFUSED THAT
00:20:26CONTROVERSY. NOW, AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE
00:20:29RIGHT, THE REACTION WAS MORE
00:20:33VIRULENT. YOU KNOW, HE THREW HIS WHITE GRANDMA UNDER THE BUS.
00:20:36YOU KNOW, HE YOU KNOW, HE'S A KIND OF RACIAL CHARACTER.
00:20:40YOU KNOW, THEY BASICALLY ACCUSED HIM OF WHAT HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT. YOU KNOW, HE'S JUST ALL ABOUT
00:20:44RACE DOCUMENTS TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS LIKE RUSH
00:20:46LIMBAUGH WAS KIND OF THE AVATAR
00:20:48OF THIS CERTAIN ID ON THE AMERICAN RIGHT AT THE TIME.
00:20:52AND THAT AT THE TIME FELT KIND
00:20:54OF FRINGY IN PART BECAUSE JOHN MCCAIN BECAME THE NOMINEE AND HE
00:20:58WASN'T OUT OF THAT TRADITION. BUT THEN SARAH PALIN GOT ON THE
00:21:01TICKET AND SUDDENLY THAT WAS ON THE TICKET AND SHE WAS GOING
00:21:05AROUND SAYING OBAMA PALS AROUND WITH TERRORISTS. AND HE'S NOT A REAL AMERICAN,
00:21:08WINK, WINK. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE FIRES
00:21:12LED INTO THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT
00:21:15AND, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE.
00:21:17SO IT WAS INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL
00:21:20IN THE SHORT TERM.
00:21:22AND THAT'S IT WASN'T THE SPEECH. I THINK THE OBAMA PRESIDENCY
00:21:25ITSELF AND I WRITE ABOUT THIS, THE RADICALS IN THAT PRESIDENCY
00:21:29WASN'T THE POLICIES, THE
00:21:31RADICALISM THAT PRESIDENCY WAS THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS
00:21:34BLACK. THE FACT THAT THE WHITE HOUSE WAS KIND OF POPULATED BY A
00:21:38DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HONORED, YOU
00:21:41KNOW, DOLORES HUERTA, WHO'S ALSO IN THIS BOOK, WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT
00:21:45GOT THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM, THE CULTURE KIND OF CHANGED ALONG WITH IT.
00:21:48YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS THE ERA OF HAMILTON.
00:21:52AND AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU
00:21:58LOOK AT AMERICAN HISTORY AS AND RELIVE IT AS I DID, YOU ALSO SEE
00:22:02THAT EVERY STEP FORWARD,
00:22:05PARTICULARLY ON RACE, IS USUALLY
00:22:07FOLLOWED BY A BACKLASH.
00:22:09YOU KNOW, EMANCIPATION AND
00:22:13RECONSTRUCT AND IS FOLLOWED BY
00:22:15SEX SEGREGATION AND INSTITUTE
00:22:18ANALYZED APARTHEID. THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT IS
00:22:22FOLLOWED BY NIXON INTO REAGAN.
00:22:26OBAMA IS FOLLOWED BY TRUMP.
00:22:28I MEAN, IT'S NOT AS UNIQUE A
00:22:34CIRCUMSTANCE, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON TO GO BACK INTO THE PAST, BECAUSE WE ALWAYS THINK THE
00:22:39PRESENT IS UNIQUELY EXCEPTIONAL
00:22:43WHEN IN FACT HISTORY REPEATS
00:22:45MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, YOU KNOW, I
00:22:49THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT
00:22:52THAT IT WAS UNIQUE AND SPECIAL, THAT WHEN BARACK OBAMA WAS
00:22:58ELECTED AND REELECTED PRESIDENT, THAT IT MEANT THAT THIS DEBATE
00:23:00OVER RACE AND WHO GETS TO REMEMBER THAT HAD BEEN SETTLED
00:23:04AND YET IT AS YOU SAY, IT WAS
00:23:08FOLLOWED BY THE TRUMP
00:23:11ADMINISTRATION WAS IT IS THIS I
00:23:13REALIZE YOU'RE SAYING IT THIS HAPPENS IN HISTORY.
00:23:16BUT HAS THIS BEEN A SURPRISE TO YOU, THE FACT THAT THESE ISSUES
00:23:20THAT I THINK A LOT OF AMERICANS
00:23:22THOUGHT WERE DONE SUDDENLY ARE AT THE FOREFRONT AGAIN?
00:23:27YES. I WENT TO ONE STORY FROM THE
00:23:30BOOK AND THEN GET TO HOW THE
00:23:34BOOK IN THE LAST TEN YEARS CHANGED ME A BIT.
00:23:38ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORY, ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES IN THE BOOK
00:23:40IS IN THE LINCOLN CHAPTER ON THE SECOND INAUGURAL. DOUGLASS.
00:23:44FREDERICK DOUGLASS IS IN THE AUDIENCE. THAT SPEECH AND I KIND OF TRACE
00:23:47IN THE CHAPTER LINCOLN'S INCREASING RADICALISM.
00:23:51THIS IS A MAN THAT WANTS DEFENDED SLAVERY, WHERE IT WAS
00:23:55WANTED TO RESTRICT IT, YOU KNOW, FROM EXPANDING, THEN WANTING TO
00:23:58SAVE THE UNION WITHOUT ABOLISHING SLAVERY, THEN KIND OF
00:24:01ABOLISHED SLAVERY AS A WARTIME NECESSITY.
00:24:04BUT AS THE WAR WENT ON, HE HE
00:24:06WAS SEEKING TO EXTRACT MEANING FROM THE WAR.
00:24:10AND HE REALIZED, IN PART BECAUSE OF HIS OWN FAITH, THAT THE
00:24:15MEANING, THE CAUSE WAS NOT THE UNION.
00:24:18IT WAS A WAR OF EMANCIPATION TO THE POINT THAT HE MET WITH
00:24:20DOUGLASS IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN
00:24:241864 BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO LOSE, AND ASKED DOUGLASS IF HE COULD HELP
00:24:28SUPPORT AN EFFORT TO GET AS MANY SLAVES OUT OF THE SOUTH INTO THE
00:24:32NORTH SO THAT IF HE LOST THE
00:24:36ELECTION, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE PROTECTED AND FREE.
00:24:39AND DOUGLASS WAS PROFOUNDLY IMPACTED BY THAT.
00:24:41HE'D BEEN A CRITIC OF LINCOLN, BUT HE SAID, NEVER HAVE I SEEN
00:24:43HIS COMMITMENT TO THE ABOLITION WAR.
00:24:47AND SO LINCOLN GIVES HIS
00:24:48EXTRAORDINARY SPEECH, AND AT THE
00:24:51THAT NIGHT HE HAS A RECEIVING LINE AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:24:55AND DOUGLASS TRIES TO GET IN LINE TO SHAKE HIS HAND. AND BLACK PEOPLE HAD NOT USUALLY
00:24:59DONE THAT. AND DOUGLASS SAID, YOU KNOW, I'VE A CUSTOM, WHICH IS TO TRY
00:25:02TO CHANGE CUSTOMS BY JUST SHOWING UP. AND THEY USHER DOUGLASS OUT.
00:25:06THEY SAY, YOU CAN'T BE HERE. AND LINCOLN HEARS THIS AND HE SAYS, NO, NO. DOUGLASS, LEADEN BACK IN LINE.
00:25:12DOUGLASS WAITS IN LINE. HE GETS TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE, AND THERE THEY ARE.
00:25:15WRIGHT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, FACE TO FACE WITH FREDERICK DOUGLASS IN
00:25:18THE WHITE HOUSE. AND LINCOLN SAYS, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF MY SPEECH?
00:25:22AND DOUGLASS SAYS, I'LL WRITE YOU A LETTER. THERE'S ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE.
00:25:25AND LINCOLN SAYS, NO, NO, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT
00:25:29THIS SPEECH MORE THAN ANYBODY IN THIS COUNTRY. AND DOUGLASS JUST LOOKS AT HIM.
00:25:32HE SAYS, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WAS A SACRED EFFORT.
00:25:36AND THE REASON I TELL THAT STORY AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
00:25:39SUZANNE, IS I BET THOSE TWO MEN AT THAT MOMENT THOUGHT THAT THIS
00:25:43QUESTION WAS SETTLED, THE WAR
00:25:45WAS WON, THE SLAVES WERE FREE.
00:25:47LINCOLN HAD GIVEN THAT SPEECH
00:25:51RECONSTRUCTION WAS ON THE HORIZON. THE 14TH AND 15TH AMENDMENT WERE
00:25:54ON THE HORIZON. BUT THEN LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.
00:25:58LINCOLN'S KILLED. RECONSTRUCTION IS DERAILED.
00:26:02SO THE POINT IS, THERE.
00:26:05I'M NOT THE FIRST PERSON TO
00:26:07THINK THAT MAYBE WE'VE PUT THIS BEHIND US.
00:26:10I NEVER THOUGHT RACE WAS OVER.
00:26:14OBAMA CERTAINLY DIDN'T. HE WAS THE LAST PERSON WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT.
00:26:17AS HE USED TO SAY TO US, YOU KNOW, I KNOW RACE IS STILL A PROBLEM.
00:26:21EVERY TIME I USED TO TRY TO HAIL
00:26:22A CAB, BUT I DO ADMIT THAT AS A
00:26:29LIBERAL WHO CAME OF AGE, A WHITE
00:26:31LIBERAL WHO CAME OF AGE IN THE 90S WHEN EVERYTHING SEEMED TO BE
00:26:35MOVING IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, THAT I DID KIND OF HAVE AN
00:26:38INNATE SENSE OF THE INEVITABILITY OF PROGRESS. YOU KNOW, THE ARC OF THE MORAL
00:26:42UNIVERSE IS LONG, BUT IT BENDS
00:26:43TOWARD JUSTICE AND I WILL SAY
00:26:48THAT THE LAST TEN YEARS HAVE DISABUSED ME OF THE NOTION OF
00:26:50ANY INEVITABILITY TO THAT.
00:26:52BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU
00:26:55SUCCUMB TO CYNICISM, BECAUSE IN THE LONGER ARC OF THINGS, EACH
00:26:59TIME WE GO THROUGH THIS CYCLE,
00:27:01THE NATION BECOMES MORE LIKE THE
00:27:05ASPIRATION YOU KNOW, DOUGLASS GAVE A SPEECH THAT I HAVE IN
00:27:08THIS BOOK IN THE 1860S DEFEND
00:27:10ING CHINESE IMMIGRATION. IT'S A PRETTY REMARKABLE THING
00:27:13TO DO. I'M SURE THAT DIDN'T PULL WELL AT THE TIME, BUT HIS ARGUMENT
00:27:17WAS ESSENTIALLY HOW CAN I DEFEND MULTIRACIAL DEMOCRACY FOR BLACKS
00:27:20IF I DON'T DEFEND IT FOR THESE CHINESE WORKERS WHO ARE BEING
00:27:22MISTREATED NOW, THE CHINESE
00:27:24EXCLUSION ACT WAS PASSED SHORTLY
00:27:27AFTER THAT OR, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS AFTER THAT.
00:27:29AND CHINESE PEOPLE CAN EMIGRATE TO THE UNITED STATES FOR DECADES.
00:27:33SO DOUGLASS LOST THE DEBATE RIGHT. WELL, LOOK AROUND AMERICA TODAY.
00:27:37HOW MANY CHINESE AMERICANS, HOW
00:27:39MANY ASIAN-AMERICANS DO YOU SEE? SO I THINK THAT THE ARC OF THE
00:27:43MORAL UNIVERSE DOES BEND TOWARDS JUSTICE. IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE LONGER
00:27:47THAN WE WOULD LIKE. THE THE TRUMP SPEECH THAT YOU
00:27:51INCLUDE IN YOUR BOOK IS HIS SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS FROM
00:27:55LAST YEAR. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THAT ONE?
00:28:00IT PAINED ME A LITTLE BIT TO.
00:28:04TO PUT TRUMP IN THIS CONTINUUM,
00:28:08BUT ACTUALLY, ONCE I MADE THE DECISION TO DO THAT, WHICH WAS
00:28:11KIND OF THE LAST DECISION I
00:28:15MADE, I REALIZED IMMEDIATELY IT WAS THE SAME CLICK THAT I HAD WITH FRANKLIN.
00:28:19LIKE ONE TRUMP IS AS MUCH A PART
00:28:22OF THIS STORY AS ANYBODY ELSE, AND TO SAY SOMETHING
00:28:27UNCOMFORTABLE MAY BE TO SOME PEOPLE, THERE IS NO OTHER
00:28:29COUNTRY ON EARTH WHERE DONALD TRUMP COULD BE PRESIDENT.
00:28:33HE'S AN AMERICAN FIGURE AND I.
00:28:37I FOUND THAT IN HISTORY THERE
00:28:41WERE A LOT OF CURRENTS FROM THE
00:28:45SPEECHES I CHOSE THAT RAN INTO TRUMP.
00:28:47THE POPULISM OF THE LATE 19TH CENTURY. YES.
00:28:50WAS ABOUT LEFTIST ECONOMICS.
00:28:53IT WAS ALSO ABOUT THE REUNIFICATION OF THE WHITE
00:28:56WORKING CLASS OF THE NORTH AND SOUTH. IT WAS ANTI-IMMIGRANT, IT WAS
00:29:01XENOPHOBIC. IT SAID, WHY DID WE SPEND ALL THAT TIME IN RECONSTRUCTION FOCUSED ON BLACK POLITICAL
00:29:06RIGHTS, WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMIC
00:29:08ANXIETIES OF WHITE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN PLACES LIKE KANSAS,
00:29:12WHERE MARY LEESE WAS FROM TO THE POINT THAT THE POPULIST PARTY
00:29:16TICKET IN 1896 WAS A UNION GENERAL AND A CONFEDERATE
00:29:20GENERAL WAS NOT A SUBTLE MESSAGE. RIGHT?
00:29:23THAT POPULISM HELPS EXPLAIN DONALD TRUMP.
00:29:27IN MY FDR CHAPTER, I WENT THROUGH THE AMERICA FIRST MOVEMENT, THE KIND OF PARANOID
00:29:33ISOLATION ISM OF THE 1930S. WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THAT LEADS INTO
00:29:35DONALD TRUMP.
00:29:37SO YOU KNOW, IMMIGRATION IS A MUCH BIGGER.
00:29:41IT WAS INTERESTING TO REALIZE
00:29:44HOW CONTESTED IMMIGRATION HAS BEEN THROUGH AMERICAN HISTORY
00:29:46AND ANTI-IMMIGRATION SENTIMENT IS NOT NEW IN THIS COUNTRY.
00:29:50IT HAS BEEN CONSTANT ABOUT CHINESE PEOPLE, ABOUT IRISH
00:29:54PEOPLE, ABOUT JEWISH PEOPLE, ANYBODY WHO COMES HERE AT FIRST
00:29:56IS REJECTED.
00:29:58AND SO A LOT OF THINGS THAT
00:30:00TRUMP SAID IN THAT SECOND
00:30:03INAUGURAL, I THOUGHT I COULD
00:30:05DRAW THE ORIGINS BACK INTO
00:30:09HISTORY. BUT THEN I ALSO WANTED TO IDENTIFY WHAT'S DIFFERENT
00:30:13BECAUSE TRUMP IS DIFFERENT.
00:30:15THERE'S A LINE IN THAT SPEECH
00:30:19WHERE HE SAYS, REFERRING TO THE
00:30:22BUTLER ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT, I
00:30:24WAS SAVED BY GOD TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
00:30:28THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'LL FIND IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
00:30:32THE I EVEN ALEXANDER STEPHENS
00:30:36WAS TALKING ABOUT A COLLECTIVE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH.
00:30:40HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH, THE WE READ
00:30:46THAT SECOND INAUGURAL AND SEE HOW MANY TIMES THE WORD I
00:30:49APPEARS MOST INAUGURATIONS CALL UPON PEOPLE TO DO THINGS.
00:30:52ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU.
00:30:56TRUMP IS ESSENTIALLY SAYS IN
00:30:58THAT SPEECH, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE DONE YOUR WORK.
00:31:02AMERICANS. YOU PUT ME BACK IN CHARGE AND NOW I'VE GOT THIS FROM HERE THAT
00:31:05THE QUOTE I PULL OUT AS THE
00:31:07TITLE OF CHAPTER IS I WILL WIN
00:31:11FOR YOU.
00:31:13AND IN THAT, EXPLAIN IS THE FACT
00:31:17THAT WHEN I LOOK AT TRUMP AS SOMEONE WHO, LIKE ANYBODY, DOES
00:31:20NOT HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS AND IS PROBABLY WRONG ABOUT PLENTY OF
00:31:22THINGS, I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. YOU KNOW, I MAY NOT AGREE WITH
00:31:26HIS IMMIGRATION POLICIES.
00:31:27I MAY NOT AGREE WITH HIS TAX
00:31:33POLICIES. ANY NUMBER OF HIS POLICIES WHERE
00:31:35HE'S DIFFERENT, THOUGH, IS WHEN
00:31:39HE INSIST UPON HIS RIGHT TO
00:31:43OPERATE OUTSIDE THE AGREED UPON COMPROMISE LIES THAT BENJAMIN
00:31:47FRANKLIN TALKED ABOUT 250 YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, EVEN PEOPLE THAT I
00:31:52VERY OPENLY DISAGREE WITH THROUGHOUT HISTORY, EVEN
00:31:56SEGREGATIONISTS, TRIED TO MAKE THEIR CASES AND WITHIN SOME
00:32:00CONSTRUCT OF THE LAW, WITHIN SOME CONSTRUCT OF AGREED UPON
00:32:04POLITICS. AND IT'S WHEN TRUMP CHOOSES TO
00:32:07ALLOW HIMSELF TO IGNORE THE LAW
00:32:11TO IGNORE THE RESULTS OF AN
00:32:13ELECTION, TO LAUNCH WARS WITH NO
00:32:15REGARD FOR CONGRESS TO, YOU
00:32:17KNOW, TO ENRICH HIMSELF AND HIS
00:32:20FAMILY WITH NO REGARD TO ANY
00:32:24CONSTRAINT, LEGAL OR NORMATIVE.
00:32:26AND SO SO I WANTED TO USE THAT
00:32:29CHAPTER TO IDENTIFY BOTH WHAT WE
00:32:33CAN FIND IN TRUMP THAT HAS A HISTORICAL PRECEDENT AND WHAT WE
00:32:37CAN SEE IN TRUMP THAT ACTUALLY
00:32:39DEVIATES FROM THAT PRECEDENT IN
00:32:41WHICH IS AN INTERESTING EXERCISE
00:32:43IN THE IN THE DEBATE THAT TRUMP
00:32:45HAS LED ON QUESTIONS OF NATIONAL
00:32:49IDENTITY, ON IN REGARDING IMMIGRANTS OR PEOPLE OF COLOR OR
00:32:53TRANSGENDER INDIVIDUALS AND OTHERS.
00:32:55DID TRUMP REOPEN THESE DEBATES
00:32:59OR DID HE JUST RECOGNIZE THAT THESE DEBATES HAD BEEN REOPENED
00:33:02AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM.
00:33:08I THINK ONE WAY TO THINK ABOUT
00:33:11TRUMP IS LET'S START WITH FOX NEWS.
00:33:17SO FOX NEWS IS VERY GOOD.
00:33:19BELIEVE ME, I WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:33:22A DOG WHISTLES. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF OTHERS.
00:33:27YOU KNOW, THERE WAS THE BROWN PEOPLE CROSSING THE BORDER.
00:33:30THERE WAS THE BLACK PRESIDENT WHO WAS APPARENTLY SOCIALIST,
00:33:34EVEN THOUGH AS THE SOCIALIST, HOW MUCH THEY LIKED OBAMA.
00:33:37YOU KNOW, THE EBOLA WAS THIS SPARRING THING.
00:33:41I MEAN, THERE'S A FAMOUS AD OF THESE FAMOUS US IN THE WHITE
00:33:44HOUSE IN THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS
00:33:46IN 2014 THAT PACKAGED TOGETHER ALL THESE NARRATIVES THAT ARE
00:33:50EASIEST TERRORISTS. WE'RE GOING TO CROSS THE
00:33:53SOUTHERN BORDER CARRYING EBOLA.
00:33:55YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE NONWHITE OTHERS WERE COMING FOR YOU.
00:33:58YOU KNOW, THINK OF TRUMP AS A
00:34:01FOX NEWS VIEWER WHO JUST DECIDES
00:34:03TO START SAYING ALL THE STUFF OUT LOUD.
00:34:06YOU KNOW. THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, THAT I
00:34:10DID IS IF YOU GO BACK, I SPENT A
00:34:13LOT OF TIME WITH PAT BUCHANAN IN.
00:34:17AND ACTUALLY, THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE I DID THE
00:34:19REAGAN SPEECH, THE EVIL EMPIRE SPEECH, WHICH IS GIVEN TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
00:34:23EVANGELICAL AIDS, WHICH WAS THE COALITION. YOU KNOW, IT WAS CHRISTIAN
00:34:26EVANGELICALS, NATIONAL SECURITY HAWKS AND SMALL GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES.
00:34:30THAT WAS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
00:34:33THAT REAGAN SPOKE INTO BEING AND CARRIED THROUGH THE COLD WAR AND
00:34:37THE BUSH PRESIDENCY. THEN PAT BUCHANAN COMES ALONG IN
00:34:401992 AND AND TRUMP PAID A LOT
00:34:43ATTENTION TO PAT BUCHANAN. I MEAN, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE FIRST TIME TRUMP SAW IT, THE
00:34:47PRESIDENCY WAS ON THE REFORM PARTY TICKET THAT PAT BUCHANAN
00:34:49HAD HAD SORT OF PAT BUCHANAN IN
00:34:531992 RAN ON BUILDING A WALL ON
00:34:55THE SOUTHERN BORDER ON TARIFFS
00:34:57IN CANCELING TRADE AGREEMENTS.
00:34:59HIS SLOGAN WAS AMERICA FIRST.
00:35:04SO THERE WERE THINGS THAT TRUMP
00:35:06PICKED UP ON THAT THAT WERE BUILDING INSIDE OF THE
00:35:10REPUBLICAN PARTY, A FRUSTRATION
00:35:13WITH REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT
00:35:15THAT WOULD SHOW UP AT ELECTIONS AND PROMISE THINGS TO WHITE
00:35:19WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THEN GET INTO
00:35:23GOVERNMENT AND THEY WOULDN'T DO THOSE THINGS. AND SO I THINK TRUMP COMBINED
00:35:26THE KIND OF AID OF THE FOX NEWS
00:35:29VIEWER WITH THE GRIEVANCE OF PEOPLE WHO'D BEEN ASKED FOR
00:35:32THEIR VOTES BY REPUBLICANS FOR A LONG TIME, ONLY TO SEE THOSE
00:35:36PEOPLE NOT DO THOSE THINGS IN OFFICE, WHETHER IT WAS ON
00:35:40ABORTION OR WHETHER IT WAS ON TRADE OR WHETHER IT WAS ON, YOU
00:35:43KNOW, PUNISHING, YOU KNOW, OWNING THE LIBS OR WHATEVER IT IS.
00:35:47AND AND AND I THINK THAT WAS A
00:35:49POWERFUL COMBINATION.
00:35:51AND AND THE FACT THAT TRUMP WAS WILLING TO BREAK THE REPUBLICAN
00:35:55PARTY GAVE HIM A CERTAIN CREDIBILITY.
00:35:58YOU KNOW, WELL, IF THIS GUY IS WILLING TO SMASH THIS
00:36:02ESTABLISHMENT, MAYBE HE'LL BE WILLING TO SMASH ALL THE
00:36:04ESTABLISHMENT THAT I FEEL HAVE LET ME DOWN.
00:36:08LET'S POSIT THAT A DEMOCRAT AT
00:36:10SOME POINT WILL BE ELECTED PRESIDENT AGAIN.
00:36:14AND LET'S ASSUME THAT SHE WILL.
00:36:22THAT DISAGREE WITH THE WAY TRUMP IS ASKED.
00:36:24ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF WHO GETS TO BE AN AMERICAN AND WHO
00:36:28DECIDES? HOW DO YOU THINK THE NEXT
00:36:31DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT OUGHT TO PROCEED TO TRY TO REASSERT A
00:36:36DIFFERENT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION? SO FIRST OF ALL, I ME SAY
00:36:40SOMETHING ABOUT SPEECHES BECAUSE
00:36:41I THINK THAT'S A PART OF IT.
00:36:44IT WAS INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, IN RELIVING THIS, I REALIZED HOW
00:36:47MUCH THE MEDIUM INTERACTS WITH THE MESSAGE, RIGHT?
00:36:50SO IN FRANKLIN'S DAY SPEECHES WERE DELIVERED TO THE PEOPLE IN
00:36:54THE ROOM, AND THEN THEY WERE REPRINTED IN NEWSPAPERS. SO THEY WERE KIND OF THESE CAREFULLY WORDED ARGUMENTS IN
00:36:59DOUGLASS'S DAY, THERE WAS A SPEAKER CIRCUIT. SO YOU LITERALLY TRAVEL AROUND
00:37:02THE COUNTRY AND GIVE THE SAME SPEECH HUNDREDS OF TIMES. AND SPEAKERS WERE KIND OF LIKE
00:37:06POP STARS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PEOPLE COME OUT TO SEE THEM AND YOU COULD BUILD
00:37:09REFORM MOVEMENTS THAT WAY. THEN RADIO COMES ALONG AND FDR,
00:37:12THE PLAIN SPOKEN EXPLANATION OF
00:37:15AN FDR, IT CARRIES THE DAY.
00:37:17THEN UNDER TELEVISION, CHARISMA
00:37:19MATTERS BECAUSE TELEVISION PRIZES, CHARISMA AND SPECTACLE
00:37:23AND KING AND KENNEDY AND DOLORES HUERTA. PEOPLE LIKE THAT CAPTURE
00:37:27ATTENTION. WE LIVE IN A SOCIAL MEDIA AGE.
00:37:29AND SO WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS WATCHED AN ENTIRE SPEECH?
00:37:34RIGHT? SPEECHES ARE CUT INTO PIECES AND
00:37:38ALGORITHM WEEKLY DELIVERED TO YOU TO TRIGGER YOU, TO MAKE YOU
00:37:40FEAR, HATE THE OTHER SIDE, OR TO
00:37:43REINFORCE THE CORRECTNESS OF YOUR OWN BELIEFS, WHEN IN FACT,
00:37:46A SPEECH SHOULD BE ABOUT PERSUASION AND MAKING AN ENTIRE
00:37:49ARGUMENT AND LISTENING TO ENTIRE ARGUMENT. TRUMP HAS BEEN PERFECT FOR THIS
00:37:53TIME BECAUSE HE'LL GIVE A ONE HOUR RALLY SPEECH AND HE KNOWS
00:37:57THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR THE WHOLE SPEECH ON TV.
00:37:59BUT THAT THAT SPEECH IS GOING TO
00:38:01CREATE DOZENS OF VIRAL CLIPS THAT ARE GOING TO RICOCHET AROUND THE INTERNET AND DO THAT.
00:38:05AND DEMOCRATS, I FEEL LIKE, HAVE
00:38:09BEEN STRUGGLING TO COMMUNICATE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS BECAUSE
00:38:13THEY'RE KIND OF EITHER TRYING TO REPLICATE WHAT TRUMP'S DOING. WE NEED TO MAKE GOOD SOCIAL
00:38:17MEDIA VIDEOS OR MAYBE WE SHOULD GO ON.
00:38:19JOE ROGAN OR, YOU KNOW, OR
00:38:22THEY'RE SO NERVOUS ABOUT LOSING
00:38:25AN ELECTION BECAUSE THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH THAT THEY FOCUS
00:38:28GROUP EVERYTHING TO DEATH. AND SO YOU GET THIS LANGUAGE
00:38:31LIKE WE NEED TO BUILD AN ECONOMY
00:38:33FROM THE BOTTOM UP TO THE MIDDLE OUT.
00:38:35LIKE WHAT ON EARTH DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE
00:38:39IN THAT, YOU KNOW? AND I SEE THAT BECAUSE I WAS
00:38:44AWARE OF WRITING THIS TIME AT A MOMENT WHEN SPEECHES ARE NOT
00:38:47EXACTLY IN VOGUE, BUT I THINK
00:38:49THE NEXT DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT
00:38:51AND HOPEFULLY THE CANDIDATES IN
00:38:532028 SHOULD RECOGNIZE THAT WHAT
00:38:57PEOPLE ARE HUNGERING FOR RIGHT
00:38:59NOW IS A MORAL CASE ABOUT WHAT
00:39:03THIS COUNTRY IS AND CAN BE THAT
00:39:07IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE THE
00:39:09RIGHT POLICIES THAT AT A TIME
00:39:11WHEN THERE'S WAR AROUND THE WORLD, AT A TIME WHEN THE
00:39:15ECONOMY JUST DOES NOT WORK, CAPITALISM IS BROKEN, AND THE EXTENT OF INEQUALITY AND WEALTH
00:39:19THAT IS BEING GENERATED WHILE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD THINGS.
00:39:22AT A TIME WHEN AI IS COMING FOR
00:39:24YOUR JOBS AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT MY KIDS BEING FRIENDS WITH CHAT
00:39:28BOTS. THIS IS EXHAUSTING. AND SO I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT
00:39:31TO JUST HEAR ABOUT THE RESTORATION OF OBAMACARE
00:39:34SUBSIDIES OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, HOW
00:39:37AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING BUILT. I WANT THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN.
00:39:41BUT IN LOOKING AT THIS SPEECH,
00:39:44THIS BOOK, THE LEADERS WHO WERE
00:39:46ABLE TO PROVIDE THE VISION OF
00:39:52WHY WE NEED TO DO THINGS AND
00:39:52WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO, FDR IN
00:39:57HIS SPEECH IN 1940, IN THE DARKEST HOUR OF WORLD WAR TWO,
00:40:01DIDN'T JUST MAKE A CASE AGAINST ISOLATIONISM, ENFORCE SUPPORT
00:40:04FOR DEMOCRATIC ALLIES. THAT'S WHEN HE INTRODUCED THE
00:40:07FOUR FREEDOMS THAT AMERICA STANDS FOR.
00:40:10WE STAND FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. WE STAND FOR FREEDOM OF WORSHIP.
00:40:14WE STAND FOR FREEDOM FROM FEAR OF AGGRESSION. WE STAND FOR FREEDOM FROM WANT,
00:40:18WHICH IS A PRETTY RADICAL THING FOR A PRESIDENT TO SAY.
00:40:21KING WHEN YOU GOT TO THE END OF THE I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH, THE
00:40:24PREPARED TEXT, HE DIDN'T HAVE THE DREAM IN IT.
00:40:28AND HE'S STANDING THERE. AND I THINK BY READING A LOT OF
00:40:31ABOUT HIM THAT HE KNEW I NEED TO
00:40:34GIVE THESE PEOPLE SOMETHING MORE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE
00:40:38BIGGEST CROWD I'M EVER GOING TO SPEAK TO.
00:40:41THE THE MOST WHITE PEOPLE HAD
00:40:45NEVER SEEN A BLACK PERSON DELIVER A WHOLE SPEECH BEFORE.
00:40:47HE WAS GOING TO SEND THESE PEOPLE BACK TO THE SOUTH TO GET
00:40:51BEAT UP AND IMPRISONED AND SO
00:40:54THE DREAM CAME OUT OF HIM. THAT'S THE VISION.
00:40:57HE MADE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
00:41:00AND THAT'S WHAT PROPELLED THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT.
00:41:04REAGAN, AS MUCH AS I DISAGREED WITH HIM, DID SOMETHING SIMILAR. OBAMA DID SOMETHING SIMILAR.
00:41:07AND SO I HOPE THAT THE NEXT DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL
00:41:11CANDIDATES AND PRESIDENT TELL A
00:41:14STORY ABOUT HOW WE GOT HERE AND
00:41:17ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING THAT HAS
00:41:19A MORAL SENSE TO IT RIGHT?
00:41:25HOW WE HAVE A STAKE IN EACH OTHER.
00:41:28LIKE WHY THIS IS WORTH IT AS A
00:41:30AS A COUNTRY.
00:41:34NOW WE GET INTO POLICY.
00:41:36I THINK THAT I DO THINK THAT
00:41:40THERE'S AN NECESS THE WHO'S DOING THIS WELL MAYBE SUGGESTS THE POLICY IF YOU LOOK AT IT JON
00:41:44OSSOFF WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT CORRUPTION, HE CONNECTS THE DOTS
00:41:47IN A STORY. THE REASON SO DEMOCRATS HAVE HAD
00:41:50THIS PROBLEM THROUGHOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
00:41:54WE TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY AND CORRUPTION AND WE TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE.
00:41:57YOU KNOW WHAT OSSOFF IS DOING IS HE'S TELLING A STORY ABOUT, HEY, THE REASON YOU CAN'T AFFORD
00:42:01ANYTHING IS BECAUSE THESE CORRUPT PEOPLE ARE ENRICHING
00:42:03THEIR FRIENDS AT YOUR EXPENSE.
00:42:07AND I'M SHORT HANDING IT, BUT IT'S A COHERENT STORY. JAMES TALLARICO WHEN HE TALKS
00:42:10ABOUT WHY HE'S IN POLITICS, HE TALKS ABOUT HIS FAITH WHICH COMPELS HIM TO CARE ABOUT HIS
00:42:14NEIGHBOR. YOU KNOW, ALEXANDRIA
00:42:18OCASIO-CORTEZ IS HAS A KIND OF JOYFUL FEARLESSNESS THAT I SAW
00:42:21IN A LOT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS BOOK WHO ARE ACTIVISTS AND PROGRESSIVES.
00:42:25THAT MAKES PEOPLE FEEL LIKE CHANGE IS POSSIBLE.
00:42:29AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE THINK, YEAH, YOU
00:42:32KNOW, WE CAN HAVE LOWER PRICES. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MAMDANI DID
00:42:35THIS IN NEW YORK LIKE WE WAIT A SECOND, WE CAN DO THIS.
00:42:39WE'RE IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRY. YOU KNOW, IF WE BUILD A BIG ENOUGH MOVEMENT, WE CAN BREAK
00:42:42THE CORRUPTION, WE CAN GET THE MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, WE CAN.
00:42:45AND THAT WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE THE REFORMS THAT WILL LOWER
00:42:47PRICES AND THAT WILL MAKE YOU BELIEVE THAT THE FUTURE CAN BE BETTER THAN THE PRESENT.
00:42:51SO WE HAVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT.
00:42:55I KNOW THIS IS A REALLY SMART AUDIENCE.
00:42:57I WOULD LIKE TO GET QUESTIONS FROM YOU ALL.
00:43:00IF YOU JUST LINE UP AT THE AT THE MICROPHONE AND I BELIEVE YOU
00:43:04ARE READY. YES, GO AHEAD. YES.
00:43:06SO FIRST, OBAMA WAS A TERRIFIC
00:43:09SPEAKER AND THAT'S HOW HE BEAT HILLARY.
00:43:12I WAS THERE A QUESTION?
00:43:17MY ANSWER DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 18TH CENTURY, BUT
00:43:20IT'S MUCH LONGER THAN YOURS.
00:43:24I WAS BORN IN THE 40S IN WHAT WAS CALLED THE NEW DEAL.
00:43:27VERY IMPORTANT.
00:43:30THIS WAS NOT THE COUNTRY WE HAVE NOW.
00:43:33AND WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND HOW TRUMP WORKS AND
00:43:36HOW HE THINKS. BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE VOTE FOR HIM.
00:43:40THE PEOPLE I GREW UP WITH,
00:43:44THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING THE COUNTRY. I'M THE SAME AGE AS HILLARY
00:43:47CLINTON AND. AND CLINTON AND TRUMP.
00:43:50AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENED.
00:43:54YOU'RE NOT ALONE.
00:43:58WHILE I DON'T CLAIM TO HAVE ALL
00:44:00THE ANSWERS TO THAT QUESTION.
00:44:07I FIRST OF ALL, I DO THINK THAT
00:44:12IF IF YOU LOOK AT THE ARC OF
00:44:14AMERICAN HISTORY.
00:44:18IT IS OFTEN THE CASE THAT WHEN
00:44:22THERE ARE PERIODS OF DISRUPTION,
00:44:27WHEN THERE PERIODS OF TIME IN WHICH PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THE WAY
00:44:30THAT THEY'RE ACCUSTOMED TO
00:44:33LIVING IS CHANGING BEYOND THEIR
00:44:36CONTROL, THEY OFTEN TURN TO A
00:44:41MORE TRIBAL POLITICS.
00:44:41SO WHEN WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN SO
00:44:45I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT.
00:44:47I THE PERIOD OF GLOBALIZATION
00:44:51AFTER THE REAGAN PRESIDENCY
00:44:53WHERE YOU HAVE AND CLINTON,
00:44:55FRANKLY, WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU
00:44:59KNOW, THE COMBINATION OF THE
00:45:03COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET UNION, WHICH OPENED AND THE OPENING OF
00:45:06CHINA, WHICH OPENED UP HALF THE
00:45:08WORLD TO THE FREE TRADE
00:45:11AGREEMENTS AND THE FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLES.
00:45:14AND THIS WAS GOING TO USHER IN THIS POST HISTORICAL ERA.
00:45:18WELL, IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, LED TO
00:45:22MASSIVE DEINDUSTRIALIZATION AND IT LED TO KIND OF THE
00:45:26LIVELIHOODS OF, YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT MY FAMILY. PART OF MY FAMILY'S FROM SMALL
00:45:30TOWN TEXAS, LIKE THE JOBS ALL LEFT.
00:45:32AND NOT ONLY DID YOU KNOW, MY GRANDFATHER WORKED ONE JOB HIS
00:45:36WHOLE LIFE, RIGHT. AND HAD A PENSION AND AND ALL OF
00:45:40A SUDDEN THAT'S GONE.
00:45:42AND MEANWHILE, THE CULTURE IS BEING HOMOGENIZED AND AND THE
00:45:46DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE COUNTRY ARE CHANGING.
00:45:49AND AND IT'S IT'S DISORIENTING TO PEOPLE.
00:45:52AND AND YET A LOT OF OUR
00:45:54POLITICS WAS DESIGNED, I THINK,
00:45:56BECAUSE OF THE ROLE OF MONEY IN
00:45:58POLITICS TO PREVENT POLITICIANS FROM BEING ABLE TO SOLVE THOSE
00:46:02PROBLEMS. EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT
00:46:06OBAMA, I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY WISH HE WOULD HAVE DONE, BUT HE
00:46:08WANTED TO DO THOSE THINGS AND COULDN'T GET THOSE THINGS
00:46:11THROUGH CONGRESS. YOU KNOW, IT WAS DEMOCRATS THAT
00:46:15KILLED THE PUBLIC OPTION IN
00:46:17OBAMACARE HAPPENED TO COME FROM STATES THAT HAD SIGNIFICANT
00:46:21INSURANCE INTERESTS. RIGHT. JUST TAKE ONE EXAMPLE. AND SO I THINK THERE WAS A
00:46:25MOUNTING FRUSTRATION WITH BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES THAT, HEY, WHY
00:46:28AREN'T YOU SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS? AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THIS
00:46:32CHANGE. AND IN THIS STORY YOU'VE BEEN TELLING ME ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE
00:46:36GOING TO GET BETTER IS NOT WHAT I'M FEELING IN MY LIFE. I DON'T THINK IN ANY WAY, SHAPE
00:46:39OR FORM THAT JUSTIFIES VOTING FOR SOMEBODY THAT IS PUTTING
00:46:43IMMIGRANTS IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND LAUNCHING ILLEGAL
00:46:47WARS. IT DOESN'T. I'M NOT HERE TO EXCUSE THOSE
00:46:50CHOICES, BUT I DO THINK WHAT WE
00:46:54HAVE TO RECKON WITH, THOUGH, IS THAT THE NEXT DEMOCRATIC
00:46:58PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT BE ADVOCATING FOR SOME RETURN TO
00:47:00SOME PAST SHOULD NOT BE SEEN AS A DEFENDER.
00:47:04I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THREE SUCCESSIVE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES, ALL OF WHOM I FIND
00:47:07THINGS TO ADMIRE AND WHO SOMEHOW BECAME THE DEFENDERS OF OF AN
00:47:13ESTABLISHMENT THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE, EVEN THOUGH THE DEMOCRATS AREN'T THE ONES THAT BUILT THAT ESTABLISHMENT.
00:47:17YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW WE ARE
00:47:20DEFENDING, YOU KNOW, TRADE
00:47:22AGREEMENTS OR THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT THAT I
00:47:26USED TO BE PART OF THAT PEOPLE FEEL HAS FAILED THEM.
00:47:28WE HAVE TO LET THAT GO INSTEAD
00:47:32OF DEFENDING WHAT HAD BEEN BUILT
00:47:35AND IS NOW BEEN TORN DOWN. WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
00:47:39WE'RE GOING TO BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE. ALL RIGHT.
00:47:41THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION. YES, SIR.
00:47:45YOUR NEXT SO I WAS GOING TO SAY
00:47:48SO BASICALLY, IF BLACK AND WHITE
00:47:52AMERICANS POLITICALLY CANNOT
00:47:54HAVE A COMMON EYE ON THINGS LIKE
00:47:57COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREED, SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT, THEN
00:48:00PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, AS
00:48:04THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL RIGHT.
00:48:07I LOVE THIS POINT.
00:48:08I FEEL THIS ENTIRELY BECAUSE AS
00:48:13SOMEONE WHO WORKS A LOT ON GLOBAL ISSUES AND HAS A LOT OF
00:48:17FRIENDS AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING FRIENDS WHO'VE COMPLETELY GIVEN UP ON AMERICA,
00:48:22YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY TO THEM IS THE REASON YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT
00:48:25WHETHER WE CAN GET IT RIGHT IS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S HERE.
00:48:28I MEAN, WE ARE THE WORLD IN MINIATURE.
00:48:31AND IF WE CAN WORK IT OUT, THE
00:48:34WORLD ISN'T GOING TO WORK IT OUT. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK THERE'S A CORRELATION BETWEEN THE
00:48:40DYSFUNCTION AND DIVISION AND POLARIZATION IN OUR COUNTRY AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE WORLD
00:48:44LIKE THERE'S A KIND OF INTANGIBLE CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE THINGS AND AGAIN, IF YOU
00:48:48LOOK AT, THOUGH, OUR HISTORY, I
00:48:51WAS STRUCK BACK, YOU KNOW, AFTER
00:48:562020, AFTER THE BACKLASH TO
00:49:022020, I, I WENT BACK THROUGH
00:49:05HISTORY AND GUESS WHAT THE DOMINANT ISSUE IS IN AMERICAN HISTORY?
00:49:09IT'S BLACK WHITE RELATION REALLY
00:49:13IS.
00:49:13AND AND AND FRANKLY, WHEN WE ARE
00:49:17ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE OUR CAPAC
00:49:20CITY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES
00:49:22CONSTRUCTIVELY, IT IS ACTUALLY
00:49:24CONSISTENTLY HAD A POSITIVE
00:49:27IMPACT NOT JUST ON THIS COUNTRY BUT ON THE WORLD.
00:49:31THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT WAS SYNERGISTIC WITH THE LIBERATION
00:49:36MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE COLONIAL WORLD IN THE 1950S AND 60S.
00:49:39FOR INSTANCE, IT'S ARE YOU IN MY LAST THING?
00:49:41IS THAT ALSO NOT MY BEST NIGERIAN?
00:49:45MY WIFE IS AMERICAN, SO I'M LIVING MY AFRICAN AMERICAN. YEAH.
00:49:47BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE, I
00:49:51THINK A LOT OF INTERNATIONALS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO BE MORE HUMBLE WHEN THEY DEAL WITH
00:49:55AMERICANS. I'M AN AMERICAN. I CONSIDER MYSELF AMERICAN.
00:49:57A LOT OF INTERNATIONALS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO BE HUMBLE. THAT'S ALL I THINK.
00:50:01WELL, YEAH. AND TO THINK VERY PRIDEFUL. YEAH.
00:50:05MIGHT BE SCARED AWAY, YOUR FLAG AND ALL THAT, BUT BE MORE HUMBLE
00:50:08BECAUSE YOU KNOW. YEAH. RESPECT WHERE YOU ARE. YEAH.
00:50:11BUT I AND I THINK THAT AND LOOK, A LOT OF THE SPEECHES I DEALT
00:50:14WITH THIS YOU KNOW LOUIS BRANDEIS GAVE A SPEECH THAT WAS
00:50:18INTERESTING. IT WAS A COMBINATION OF
00:50:22ASSIMILATION IN SOME RESPECTS,
00:50:25BUT VALUING THE DISTINCT NESS OF
00:50:28CULTURES BEING PRESENT HERE.
00:50:30LIKE IT'S THAT BALANCE BETWEEN WE ACTUALLY ARE, IT'S BETTER.
00:50:34IMAGINE HOW BORING THIS COUNTRY WAS IF WE DIDN'T. WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE
00:50:37WHO COME HERE AND ENRICHED IT WITH THEIR FOOD AND THEIR MUSIC AND THEIR TRADITIONS.
00:50:42RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME. THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMON NATIONAL IDENTITY IN THIS
00:50:45COUNTRY THAT EVERYBODY FEELS THAT THEY SHARE IN SOME WAY.
00:50:48THAT'S HARDER TODAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A MONOCULTURE ANYMORE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ALL WATCHING
00:50:52THE SAME TV AND GOING TO THE SAME MOVIES. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF SPORTS
00:50:56AND TAILOR STUDIED. MAYBE THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND MY NEXT YEAH BUT BUT THE BUT
00:50:59BUT AGAIN WE CAN DO THIS LIKE
00:51:02WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE I IT'D BE
00:51:07CRAZY TO GIVE UP ON IT. YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT WHAT THE TRUMPS OF THE WORLD WHEN YOU
00:51:11THINK IS THEY WANT YOU TO BE CYNICAL OR AN APATHETIC CYNICAL
00:51:15NOTHING REALLY MATTERS OR APATHETIC. NOTHING CAN CHANGE. AND YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS.
00:51:18I MEAN, AGAIN, LOOK AT THE BOOK. LOOK AT HISTORY. LIKE THAT'S NOT TRUE.
00:51:22LIKE THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY CAN CHANGE AGAIN. ALL RIGHT.
00:51:26SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU.
00:51:28THEY HAVE ALL OH, YEAH. YOU.
00:51:32HELLO. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATE WINS FOR THE KNICKS
00:51:35RIGHT NOW. THAT'S VERY EXCITING FOR YOU. YOU ALSO HAVE TO FORGIVE ME.
00:51:38I'M I'M A RED SOX FAN, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME.
00:51:42SO THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPARISONS TO BE MADE TO THE
00:51:45QUESTION I'M ABOUT TO ASK. HISTORY PARALLELS, COMPARISONS,
00:51:49SIMILARITIES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BUT YOU WRITE A BOOK ABOUT
00:51:52AMERICAN IDENTITY, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER IS,
00:51:56WHETHER IT'S 20% OR 30%, BUT
00:51:57THERE IS A IN A COUNTRY OF 327 MILLION AMERICAN BOYS, THERE'S A
00:52:03SIZABLE PORTION OF AMERICANS WHO
00:52:05ARE PART OF DONALD TRUMP'S BASE.
00:52:07AND MY QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE AS
00:52:09A SOCIETY RECKON WITH SUCH A LARGE PORTION OF PEOPLE
00:52:14FUNDAMENTALLY NOT BELIEVING IN THE TRUTH? YEAH, I THINK THIS IS THE MOST
00:52:18DIFFICULT THING THAT THE ABSENCE OF TRUTH.
00:52:21I DO WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW,
00:52:24OBAMA USED TO REMIND US, YOU KNOW, 30% OF THIS COUNTRY WOULD
00:52:28HAVE VOTED FOR GEORGE WALLACE. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A
00:52:32CONFEDERACY IN THIS COUNTRY LIKE. SO THE IDEA THAT THERE'S EVER
00:52:34GOING TO BE 100% BUY IN TO WHAT
00:52:36I WOULD THINK TO BE A SET OF
00:52:38VALUES, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THOSE
00:52:41PEOPLE THINK I'M CRAZY, TOO. I'M SURE THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO SHARE
00:52:45A COUNTRY WITH BEN RHODES. YOU KNOW? BUT BUT I ACTUALLY DO THINK IT'S
00:52:49AN IMPORTANT POINT.
00:52:51IT'S IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE
00:52:53DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT POLICY AND
00:52:56DIRECTION AND EVEN IDENTITY.
00:52:59BUT WHEN THERE'S DISAGREEMENT
00:53:02ABOUT REALITY, THAT'S WHEN THINGS GET REALLY DANGEROUS AND
00:53:06WEIRD. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE
00:53:08RIGHT NOW TO BE.
00:53:12AND ACTUALLY, I LIKE I'LL MAKE TWO POINTS ABOUT THAT.
00:53:16THINGS TO DO ABOUT THAT. AND THERE'S MANY MORE THAN TWO THINGS. ONE IS I AGAIN, I DO THINK THAT
00:53:21HAVING, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP
00:53:26THAT NARRATES TRUTHFULLY WHAT IS
00:53:30HAPPENING, I MEAN, I OBAMA'S
00:53:34JOB. YES, YOU DO POLICY. HE WAS KIND OF THE NATIONAL NARRATOR.
00:53:38YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TRAGEDY. I'M GOING TO GO PUT THAT INTO WORDS.
00:53:41THERE'S AN ACHIEVEMENT. I'M GOING TO PUT THAT IN TWO WORDS.
00:53:43REAGAN DID THIS VERY WELL, EVEN THOUGH I DIDN'T AGREE WITH REAGAN.
00:53:47I MEAN, HE KIND OF NARRATES EVENTS, RIGHT?
00:53:49WE NOW HAVE A NARRATOR WHO LIES
00:53:53HABITUALLY, AND THERE'S AN
00:53:55OSMOSIS TO OUR KIDS, YOU KNOW, I
00:54:00WONDER WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF
00:54:02SEEING THE MOST POWERFUL ADULTS BE REWARDED FOR LYING.
00:54:06AS A PARENT, THAT CONCERNS ME.
00:54:08SO, NUMBER ONE, TO BE GREAT, TO HAVE DIFFERENT KIND OF LEADERSHIP.
00:54:11BUT SECOND IS TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE PART OF THE REASON WHY
00:54:14IT'S EASIER TO LIVE IN TRUTH IS
00:54:16YOU CAN BE FED INFORMATION THAT
00:54:18IS MADE TO BE A MADE TO APPEAR
00:54:22TO BE CREDIBLE, WHETHER IT'S
00:54:26BECAUSE OF THE ALGORITHM OR BECAUSE OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, WHICH LITERALLY
00:54:29CAN MAKE SOMEONE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE SAYING SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T.
00:54:33AND WE HAVE TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THAT FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE.
00:54:37THERE NEEDS TO BE A REGULATORY APPROACH TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND
00:54:39ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE THAT IS WAY OVERDUE, THAT HAS, AGAIN,
00:54:45NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, A WOKE
00:54:47AGENDA, BUT LIKE A TRUTH AGENDA. ALL RIGHT.
00:54:50THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM. HI.
00:54:53OKAY. SO FIRST, I GREW UP ON THE RIGHT
00:54:57AND MY MOM IS A MEGA MOM AND SO
00:54:59THE LEVEL OF DISSENT FROM ASIA AND LIKE PROPAGANDA ZATION THAT
00:55:04COMES FROM FOX NEWS LIKE I CAN'T COMBAT IT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR
00:55:07PEOPLE TO REALLY UNDERSTAND.
00:55:09BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT WAS GOING BACK TO
00:55:14YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DEMOCRAT NEEDS TO BE LIKE, GIVE GOOD SPEECHES, RIGHT?
00:55:18AND I THINK THERE'S A PIECE TO THAT WHERE IN ORDER TO GIVE A
00:55:21GOOD SPEECH WHERE PEOPLE FEEL IT IS, YOU HAVE TO FEEL IT.
00:55:24AND SO LOOKING AT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY LIKE YOU HAVE A LOT OF
00:55:28WHAT I SEE HOLLOWNESS LIKE I
00:55:30WORK IN CONGRESS LIKE I'M A FAKE LOBBYIST BECAUSE I LOBBY FOR
00:55:33HUMAN RIGHTS AND I DO IT FOR FREE.
00:55:38AND AND SO LAST YEAR, LOBBYISTS
00:55:40LAST YEAR I WAS WORKING ON A
00:55:43LETTER FOR AN AMERICAN CHILD WHO WAS BEING HELD IN MILITARY DETENTION.
00:55:47AND I ONLY GOT 27, 14 SENATORS AND 13 IN THE HOUSE TO SIGN IT.
00:55:52AND WHICH YOU WISH YOU WOULD SAY AYE.
00:55:54AMERICAN CHILD HELD IN A FOREIGN
00:55:56GULAG LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY IS
00:55:59THAT NOT 535 SIGNATURES? AND IT'S BECAUSE THE CHILD WAS
00:56:03ABDUCTED IN THE WEST BANK AND HE WAS BEING HELD IN ISRAEL.
00:56:05AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL INTERESTS INVOLVED.
00:56:09AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT A CORY BOOKER, HE MAYBE CAN GIVE A
00:56:12GOOD SPEECH IN THE MINDS OF SOME PEOPLE, BUT IT'S HOLLOW AND IT'S
00:56:16EMPTY. AND THERE ARE ONLY A FEW DEMOCRATS THAT ARE WALKING THE WALK.
00:56:19THERE ARE NO REPUBLICANS ANYMORE WALKING THE WALK. AND SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A
00:56:23CRUCIAL PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS. SO I TOTALLY AGREE.
00:56:26AND LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT ONE
00:56:28THING, WHICH IS IT'S NOT SO MUCH
00:56:32JUST GIVING A GOOD SPEECH.
00:56:36IT'S BECAUSE I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT WHAT IS A GOOD SPEECH, RIGHT.
00:56:39TO ME, I SPENT IN EACH CHAPTER.
00:56:41WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THE LIFE OF THE PERSON AND THE
00:56:45MOVEMENTS THAT ATTRACTED THE PERSON.
00:56:47AND THE REASON WHY IS I BELIEVE THE BEST SPEECHES.
00:56:51THEY MAY ACTUALLY NOT HAVE THE
00:56:54POWER AND DELIVERY OF THE I HAVE A DREAM SPEECH.
00:56:57THE PERSON DELIVERING THE SPEECH HAS TO BE THE ONLY PERSON ALIVE
00:57:00WHO COULD SAY THOSE WORDS. IT HAS TO KIND OF IT NEATLY COME
00:57:03OUT OF NOT JUST WHAT THEY WANT
00:57:05TO DO, BUT WHY DO THEY WANT TO DO THAT?
00:57:08OBAMA USED TO ALSO TELL US SOMETIMES THAT IN ORDER TO WIN
00:57:12AN ELECTION, YOU NEED TO CONVEY
00:57:14TO PEOPLE WHAT YOU'RE WILLING TO LOSE. AN ELECTION OVER.
00:57:18THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE WILLING TO LOSE FOR TO TO TO TO WADE
00:57:22INTO THE MINEFIELD HERE AND GET
00:57:24SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION.
00:57:27ONE THING THAT ZORAN MAMDANI HAD
00:57:29IN HIS CAMPAIGN AND HE WAS AT 1%
00:57:33AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ACTUALLY
00:57:35ISRAEL THAT STARTED TO BUILD HIS
00:57:37SUPPORT AND THEN HE STARTED
00:57:39GETTING ATTACKED BY CUOMO AND ALL OF THESE POWERFUL INTERESTS
00:57:43SAYING, OH, THIS GUY IS RADICAL AND OH, MY GOD, YOU'LL NEVER BE
00:57:47LED NEAR POWER. THE FACT THAT HE WOULD NOT
00:57:51CHANGE HIS POSITIONS ON ISRAEL
00:57:55MADE HIS AFFORDABILITY AGENDA
00:57:57CREDIBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE THIS GUY.
00:58:01WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH HIM OR NOT.
00:58:03IRONICALLY, THIS GUY IS NOT
00:58:07AFRAID OF GETTING CRITICIZED. HE'S NOT AFRAID OF POWERFUL
00:58:10INTERESTS COMING AFTER HIM. SO WHEN HE TELLS ME HE'S GOING
00:58:14TO LOWER MY PRICES, I'M MORE WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT THAT GUY
00:58:17IS GOING TO FIGHT TO DO THAT. THEN MAYBE WHEN CORY BOOKER
00:58:20TELLS ME, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK
00:58:24HE'S OWNED THAT'S A STRONG WORD.
00:58:26BUT LIKE LIKE YOU SEE WHAT I'M GETTING AT?
00:58:30LIKE, I AGREE WITH IT.
00:58:31YOU KNOW, HE HE HE AND AND
00:58:35AGAIN, I AND BY THE WAY, IT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY HAS TO
00:58:38HAVE MY VIEW ON ISRAEL OR THE POINT IS THAT ON ISSUE AFTER
00:58:43ISSUE, I THINK PEOPLE SOMETIMES LOOK AT DEMOCRATS AND THEY FEEL A CAUTION.
00:58:46THEY FEEL A WARINESS OF UPSETTING.
00:58:50MAYBE IT'S A SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP, BUT MAYBE ITS
00:58:54CONSTITUENTS, A GROUP, TOO. I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, TO TAKE A DIFFERENT
00:58:58PERSPECTIVE, MAYBE YOU'RE AFRAID OF OF OFFENDING A CONSTITUENCY
00:59:01GROUP THAT IS TO YOUR LEFT AS WELL. RIGHT. SO BUT ACTUALLY, ULTIMATELY, I
00:59:05THINK EVERYBODY WILL HAVE MORE
00:59:07RESPECT FOR YOU IF YOU AND
00:59:11FRANKLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, HIS WILLINGNESS
00:59:13TO -- POWERFUL PEOPLE GAVE HIM A
00:59:16CERTAIN CREDIBILITY WITH PEOPLE
00:59:18WHO DIDN'T HAVE POWER BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, WELL, THIS
00:59:21GUY'S WILLING, YOU KNOW, THE
00:59:24MOMENT IN THE DEBATE, I REMEMBER 2016 WHERE HE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW,
00:59:27EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE STAGE IS OWNED BY SOMEBODY. YOU KNOW.
00:59:31NOW IT TURNS OUT TRUMP IS, YOU
00:59:33KNOW, LIKE, LET'S COUNT THE
00:59:35NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
00:59:38WELL, YOU KNOW, HE'S LIFTING RESTRICTIONS ON ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
00:59:42YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
00:59:44AND SO THE POINT OF IT'S THE CAPACITY TO TELL AN AUTHENTIC
00:59:48STORY THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE.
00:59:50YOU KNOW, IT HELPS IF IT'S A
00:59:52GREAT SPEECH, BUT IT AT COURT
00:59:55HAS TO HAVE THAT AUTHENTICITY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTION.
00:59:58I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING BECAUSE WE'RE AFTER 8:00.
01:00:02AND I KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE WONDERFUL QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THE LAST
01:00:06QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE MICROPHONE.
01:00:08SO OF OF ALL THESE SPEECHES THAT
01:00:11YOU'VE SEEN AND READ IN YOUR
01:00:13BOOK AND ELSEWHERE, WHICH SPEECH
01:00:15THAT YOU DID NOT WRITE, DO YOU
01:00:18THINK IS YOUR FAVORITE SPEECH IS
01:00:20THE ONE YOU JUST THINK IS SO GREAT?
01:00:22WHAT SPEECH WOULD THAT BE.
01:00:29WELL, HONESTLY, LIKE, MY
01:00:31FAVORITE IS LINCOLN'S SECOND
01:00:34INAUGURAL, BUT I'LL GIVE A DIFFERENT ANSWER TO BE SOMETHING
01:00:37MORE INTERESTING.
01:00:40I, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD READ
01:00:42THE SPEECH BY RED JACKET.
01:00:45JUST ACTUALLY BY THE BOOK AND READ IT.
01:00:48I WAS ABOUT TO SAY GOOGLE IT,
01:00:50YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IT'S SHORT.
01:00:55THIS SPEECH SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS GIVEN YESTERDAY. IT'S THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY
01:00:59THING THE SENECA HAVE LOST JUST
01:01:02ABOUT EVERYTHING.
01:01:04THEY'VE LOST MOST OF THEIR LAND,
01:01:08YOU KNOW, THEIR COMMUNITY HAS
01:01:10BEEN RIVEN BY ALCOHOL BRIBES,
01:01:13EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK FROM WAR
01:01:16AND COMING BACK FROM WAR AND COMING BACK FROM WAR.
01:01:19AND AND THERE'S THIS MISSIONARY WHO'S THERE WITH A REPRESENTATIVE.
01:01:23THE US GOVERNMENT KIND OF LOOKING OVER HER SHOULDER SAYING, YOU KNOW, HEY, LET HIM IN.
01:01:26HE WANTS TO CONVERT YOU TO THIS NEWS. AND THE GUY, THE MISSIONARY
01:01:30SAYS, WE'RE JUST HERE TO TELL YOU HOW TO WORSHIP THE GREAT SPIRIT IN A DIFFERENT WAY,
01:01:34BECAUSE THE GREAT SPIRIT'S SON IS JESUS. YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF CYNICAL.
01:01:38AND WHAT THIS GUY DOES IS HE IN
01:01:40VERY ECONOMICAL, SIMPLE LANGUAGE.
01:01:43HE'S LIKE, LET ME TELL YOU THE STORY OF MY PEOPLE.
01:01:47WE WERE HERE AND IT WAS GREAT. WE HAD ALL THIS LAND AND WE WERE HAPPY.
01:01:51WE HAD NO PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE SHARED EVERYTHING.
01:01:54AND THEN YOU ALL ARRIVED.
01:01:57WE WERE VERY NICE TO YOU.
01:01:59WE GAVE YOU MEAT, WE GAVE YOU
01:02:02SHELTER, AND YOU GAVE US POISON.
01:02:07AND. AND THEN HE TALKS ABOUT HOW
01:02:11THERE IS JUST MORE AND MORE TAKING AND YOU KEPT COMING BACK
01:02:13FOR MORE AND.
01:02:17AND THEN HE SAYS SOMETHING FASCINATING.
01:02:19HE SAYS, IF AND HE SAID, NOW YOU'RE COMING FOR OUR RELIGION.
01:02:24AND HE SAID, IF THE GREAT SPIRIT
01:02:26INTENDED FOR EVERYBODY TO
01:02:28WORSHIP THE SAME WAY, WHY DON'T
01:02:32YOU ALL EVEN AGREE ABOUT WHICH BOOK TO USE?
01:02:36WHY HAVE YOU ALL FOUGHT WARS
01:02:38WITH EACH OTHER, ABOUT WHICH PART OF YOUR RELIGION IS RIGHT?
01:02:42MAYBE THE GREAT SPIRIT INTENDED FOR EVERYBODY TO WORSHIP HIM IN
01:02:45DIFFERENT WAYS. AND WHAT STILL REMARKABLE ABOUT
01:02:50IT IS IT'S A CASE NOT JUST FOR
01:02:54THE MAINTENANCE AND SUSTAINMENT OF SENECA TRADITIONS.
01:02:57IT'S A CASE FOR PLURALISM. HE'S SAYING, I GOT NO PROBLEM
01:03:01WITH YOUR RELIGION. WHY DON'T YOU LET ME HAVE MINE?
01:03:05AND THE REASON BEYOND IT JUST BEING A BRILLIANT SPEECH, IT'S
01:03:09SO POWERFUL TO ME IS BECAUSE THAT'S A PART OF AMERICAN
01:03:13IDENTITY TOO, THAT INDIGENOUS
01:03:16IDEA OF PLURALISM OF OF
01:03:21TRADITION, OF LINEAGE, THAT'S AS
01:03:24MUCH AMERICAN AS A WHITE
01:03:29CHRISTIAN FOUNDING FATHER, YOU
01:03:29KNOW, WHO MIGHT BE REVERED MUCH
01:03:35MORE THAN RED JACKET. AND THAT I TAKE THAT FROM THE
01:03:38BOOK THAT WE ARE THE SUM TOTAL
01:03:41OF ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND ALL
01:03:43THE WORDS THAT THEY'VE SPOKEN,
01:03:46THE WORDS ENTER OUR NATIONAL
01:03:49SUBCONSCIOUS, WHICH IS WHY
01:03:51PEOPLE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT WORDS MATTER.
01:03:55BUT BEN RHODES, CONGRATULATIONS
01:03:56ON YOUR NEW BOOK.
01:04:04HERE'S A PORTION OF A RECENT PROGRAM ON BOOK TV.
01:04:08SO IN AMERICAN GRAMMAR, I ARGUE
01:04:10THAT US EDUCATION HAS BEEN A KEY
01:04:12SITE FOR THE RELATIONAL FORMATION OF RACE.
01:04:17THAT THROUGH THE 19TH ENTRY PROTOCOL, ALL OF US EDUCATION
01:04:21HAD DIFFERING EFFECTS ON THREE DIFFERENT RACIALIZED GROUPS
01:04:25BLACK NATIVE AND WHITE.
01:04:28THREE DISTINCT RACIALIZED EXPERIENCES AS BUT ALL
01:04:31INTIMATELY INTERTWINED AND THE
01:04:33POLITICAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE NATION.
01:04:37THE CRIMINALIZING OF BLACK EDUCATION IN THE EARLY REPUBLIC
01:04:41REINFORCED THE EXTRACTION OF LABOR AND VALUE FROM CAPTIVE
01:04:44AFRICAN BODIES. THE VIOLENT IMPOSITION OF US
01:04:48SPONSORED NATIVE EDUCATION WAS AN EXTENSION OF THE AMERICAN
01:04:52INDIAN WARS AND ULTIMATELY A MEANS FOR DISRUPTING TRIBAL
01:04:55CLAIMS TO LAND IN ORDER TO CLEAR
01:04:58A PATH FOR CONTINUAL NATIONAL EXPANSION.
01:05:00THE DEVELOPMENT OF WHITE COMMON SCHOOLING SOUGHT TO RECONCILE
01:05:06COMPETING INTERESTS AMONG DIVERSE EUROPEAN ETHNIC GROUPS,
01:05:09ALL TOWARDS SECURING THE FUTURE OF THE NEW REPUBLIC.
01:05:12THIS WAS DONE BY CRAFTING A
01:05:15SINGULAR NATIONAL IDENTITY, ONE THAT WAS ENGLISH SPEAKING WHITE
01:05:19AND PROTESTANT. SO AGAIN, AMERICAN GRAMMAR
01:05:24PRESENTS AN INTERPRETATION OF THESE SEEMINGLY PARALLEL RACIAL
01:05:28PROJECTS AS RELATIONAL AS HAVING INFORMED ONE ANOTHER.
01:05:32AND IN DOING SO, IT REVEALS HOW EVEN WHEN BLACK AND NATIVE
01:05:36PEOPLE WERE NOT PHYSICALLY IN THE COMMON SCHOOL CLASSROOM FOR
01:05:39WHITE STUDENTS, THEY WERE INTEGRAL TO ITS DEVELOPMENT.
01:05:43BECAUSE THE POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF SUCH
01:05:45SCHOOLS EXTENDED DIRECTLY FROM
01:05:48THE SUBJUGATION OF BLACK AND
01:05:50NATIVE PEOPLE JUST AS RACIAL
01:05:54SLAVERY INFORMED MECHANISMS OF LAW AND POLICY PERTAINING TO
01:05:57BLACK EDUCATION.
01:05:59AND JUST AS SETTLER DESIRES FOR
01:06:01INDIGENOUS LANDS MOTIVATED THE
01:06:03DISTINCT EDUCATIONAL POLICIES AND PRACTICES IMPOSED ON NATIVE
01:06:07COMMUNITIES. THESE STRUCTURAL MANIFESTATIONS OF BLACK AND NATIVE
01:06:12DISPOSSESSION ALSO SHAPED THE FORM AND FUNCTION OF WHITE
01:06:17EDUCATION. IN, FOR INSTANCE, AMERICAN
01:06:20GRAMMAR REVEALS HOW POLITICAL
01:06:22LEADERS SOLD UNCEDED NATIVE LAND
01:06:25TO GENERATE REVENUE TO ESTABLISH
01:06:27EARLY SCHOOL FUNDS ACROSS STATES IN THE NORTHEAST AND EVEN ACROSS
01:06:30THE SOUTH. AND IT TRACES HOW SUCH PRACTICE
01:06:34IS EMERGED AS THE PRIMARY METHOD FOR EXPANDED PUBLIC EDUCATION
01:06:38NATIONALLY. AFTER WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE LAND
01:06:42ORDINANCE OF 1785. THE BOOK ALSO CHARTS HOW THESE
01:06:45EARLY STATES LITERARY AND
01:06:48EDUCATIONAL FUNDS WERE THEN INVESTED IN BANKS WITH DIRECT
01:06:51LINKS TO THE SLAVE TRADE IN ORDER TO EXPAND RESOURCES FOR
01:06:55WHITE SCHOOLING AND IN OTHER INSTANCE, INSTANCES. THE BOOK SHAPES,
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