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00:00:40JOURNAL SATURDAY MORNING, WE'RE
00:00:44JOINED BY OUR NEXT GUEST, AARON DAVID MILLER A SENIOR FLOW AT
00:00:47THE CAN KAREN KNEE ENDOWMENT FOR NATIONAL PEACE AND FORMER STATE
00:00:51DEPARTMENT MIDDLE EAST IN A MINUTE AND NEGOTIATOR FOR BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC
00:00:54ADMINISTRATIONS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT FROM 1978 TO 2023,
00:00:58AARON THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
00:01:01HOST: OF COURSE A LOT TO TOUCH ON WHEN IT COMES TO THE MIDDLE
00:01:05EAST. I I GUESS I'D LOVE YOUR BIRD'S EYE VIEW NOW, BECAUSE WE'RE
00:01:09TRACKING SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS, WAR WITH IRAN, OF
00:01:13COURSE, LATEST WITH ISRAEL AND HAMAS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS BEEN
00:01:16TOUCHING ON SO MANY DIFFERENT POTENTIAL PEACE DEALS AND POTENTIAL PAUSES TO THESE
00:01:20CONFLICTS. WHAT STANDS OUT MOST TO YOU
00:01:22RIGHT NOW IN TERMS OF WHAT SEEMS TO BE PROGRESSING ALONG?
00:01:27>> IN A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE
00:01:31DIRECTION? THE MIDDLE EAST IS USUALLY MORE FROM MY 27 YEARS OF WORKING ON
00:01:35THESE ISSUES. A PLACE WHERE AMERICAN IDEAS ON
00:01:37PEACE MAKING AND WAR MAKING GO
00:01:40TO DIE.
00:01:42IT'S PARTLY A CONSEQUENCE OF
00:01:46AMERICA'S IN CAPACITY AND FAMILIAR UNDERSTAND FAILURE TO
00:01:49UNDERSTAND A REGION EXCEEDINGLY
00:01:53COMMUNICATED. THE RESULT A REALITY THAT WHERE THE PEOPLE'S AND NATIONS AND
00:01:57EVEN NONSTATE ACTORS PARTICULARLY NONSTATE ACTORS IN
00:02:00THIS REGION STAKES ARE
00:02:04EXISTENTIAL. AS A CONSEQUENCE, THERE'S A
00:02:07FUNDAMENTAL AND PROFOUND PUT ABSENCE OF TRUST AND CONFIDENCE
00:02:10WHEN IT COMES TO NEGOTIATION AND
00:02:13A MISTRUST FOR EXTERNAL
00:02:17POLITICS. I THINK THE AGENCY THAT SMALLER POWERS IN AN EFFORT TO CONSTRAIN
00:02:21AND EVEN DEFEAT LARGER ONES IS
00:02:23ONE OF THE BIG STORIES OF THIS
00:02:27REGION. LOOK, DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN AT THIS WAR WE'RE NOW IN THE SIXTH
00:02:31MONTH. HE FAILED TO BREAK A COUNTRY OF
00:02:3591 MILLION PEOPLE.
00:02:37RUN BY A BRUTAL OPPRESSIVE
00:02:42AUTHOR TEARIAN REGIME BUT WITH A
00:02:47POPULATION SO MUCH SMALLER THAN THE UNITED STATES YOU CANNOT NOT
00:02:50IN ANY SYMMETRICAL CONFLICT AND
00:02:53YET THESE SMALLER POWERS
00:02:55INCLUDING US BULL LA AND HAMAS
00:02:58AND IRAN AND ISRAELIS AS WELL
00:03:05CAUGHT UP IN THIS DETERMINED
00:03:08EFFORT TO SURVIVE AND AS A
00:03:12CONSEQUENCE THEIR ABILITY AND CAPACITY TAKE RISK AND POWER ARE
00:03:15MUCH GREATER THAN OUR CAPACITY TO IMPOSE LET ALONE DICTATE
00:03:19SETTLING SO YOU END UP WITH AN
00:03:25EXTREMELY COMPLICATED CONFLICT RIDDEN REGION WHICH RIGHT NOW
00:03:29SHOWS VERY LITTLE PROMISE AND POTENTIAL.
00:03:31HOST: FOR THOSE TUNING IN WE'RE SPEAKING WITH AARON DAVID MILLER
00:03:35A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR INTERNATIONAL PEACE.
00:03:38SPENT DECADES WORKING AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WORKING BOTH
00:03:42ADMINISTRATIONS ALSO AED PHD IN MIDDLE EAST AND DIPLOMATIC
00:03:45HISTORY FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN GO BLUE. MY WIFE IS AN ALUM AS WELL.
00:03:49IF YOU WANT TO CALL IN AND ASK A QUESTION AS WE TALK ABOUT THE
00:03:52WAR WITH IRAN, ISRAEL AND HAMAS,
00:03:55THE LINES TO CALL IN
00:03:59REPUBLICANS, 202-748-8001,
00:04:00DEMOCRATS, 202-748-8000, AND
00:04:03INDEPENDENTS, 202-748-8002. LET'S STICK WITH IRAN FOR A
00:04:06MOTOR HOME. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS WEEK
00:04:09HOW IRAN AND OMAN ARE APPARENTLY
00:04:13CLOSING IN ON AN AGREEMENT TO REOPEN THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ. WHAT HAVE YOU OBSERVED ABOUT THE
00:04:16DEALS OF THIS AND WHAT WOULD IT
00:04:23ENTAIL. >> LOOK, GO BLUE BACK AT YOU.
00:04:25IRAN IF THE WAR STOPPED TODAY,
00:04:28IRAN WOULD CLEARLY BE DECLARED A
00:04:32CLEAR WINNER. REGIME IS SURVIVED, THEIR
00:04:35PROXIES ARE SOMEWHAT IN TACT.
00:04:38THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS MORNING
00:04:41HAS A PRETTY DISTURB PIECE ABOUT
00:04:44THE DEGREE TO WHICH IRAN'S CAPACITY WITH RICH YOU'RE
00:04:48IRANIAN AND 900 POWDERSVILLE OF HIGHLY ENRICHMENTED YOU'RE
00:04:52IRANIAN AND TONS ARE STILL ACCESSIBLE.
00:04:56MY COLLEAGUE AT CARNEGIE JAMES WAS QUOTED IN THE ARTICLE SAYING
00:04:59THAT PERHAPS WITHIN A YEAR IRAN
00:05:01WOULD HAVE ALL OF THE ELEMENTS
00:05:04TO PRODUCE A WEAPON.
00:05:08AS A CONSEQUENCE THE IRANIANS NOW BELIEVING THAT THEY'VE WON
00:05:10ARE DETERMINED TO CREATE A NEW POLITICAL AND SECURITY REALITY
00:05:15AND THE REGION IN THE ONE AND AT LEAST IN THE GULF AND THE ONE
00:05:18ELEMENT THAT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR THEM IS LEVERAGE
00:05:22AND CONTROL OF THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ. WHATEVER EMERGES FROM THESE
00:05:26IRANIAN NEGOTIATIONS WILL BE A VERY HARD PILL.
00:05:30FOR THIS ADMINISTRATION GIVEN ITS WARNINGS OR FRANKLY THE
00:05:34INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY AND THE
00:05:36GLOBAL OIL ECONOMY TO SWALLOW
00:05:38BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO CONSTRAIN TO SOME DEGREE UNCLEAR
00:05:41HOW MUCH, WHAT WAS UNFETTERED
00:05:43AND UNCONSTRAINED ON FEBRUARY 28TH.
00:05:46AND THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.
00:05:47NOT JUST FOR OIL AND
00:05:52HYDROCARBON, ALL SORTS OF OTHER
00:05:57COMMODITIES.
00:05:58INCLUDING FERTILIZER, AND
00:06:02CUTRIES WHO PRODUCE 25% OF THE PLANET'S GLOBAL LIQUID NATIONAL
00:06:06GAS A WAY TO GET THAT PRODUCT
00:06:10THROUGH.
00:06:11SO THEY'RE DETERMINED SEEMS TO
00:06:15ME TO EMERGE AS FIRST AMONG EQUALS IN THE GULF.
00:06:18HOST: LET'S BRING CALLERS INTO MILTON IS CALLING IN FROM
00:06:21PHILADELPHIA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING, MILTON YOU'RE ON
00:06:25WITH OUR GUEST. CALLER: FIRST PERSON I'D LIKE TO
00:06:27THANK ALMIGHTY GOD FOR ALLOWING
00:06:29ME TO SEE ANOTHER YEAR, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TODAY.
00:06:33HOST: HAPPY BIRTHDAY. CALLER: MY COMMENT TRAUMA HAS NO
00:06:36IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING. HE GOT US INTO THIS QUAGMIRE AND
00:06:40HAS NO WAY OF GETTING US OUT.
00:06:44EVEN THOUGH THE AGREEMENT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA HAD IT WASN'T
00:06:48PERFECT BUT THEY HAD INSPECTORS
00:06:51IN THERE AND BY AND LARGE IRAN WAS ABIDING BY THE AGREEMENT.
00:06:55TRUMP HAS THE OBSESSION ANYTHING OBAMA DID HE WANTED TO UNDO, I
00:06:58CAN DO ANYTHING BETTER THAN OBAMA DID.
00:07:01AS A MATTER OF FACT, AFTER THIS CONFLICT IRAN WILL COME OUT
00:07:04STRONG THEY'LL HOLD, THEY'LL CONTROL THE STRAIGHT OF HORMUZ
00:07:07AND MORE LIKELY AS A RESULT OF ANY AGREEMENT THEY GOING TO GET
00:07:10MORE MONEY AS A RESULT OF THIS. THIS IS TOTALLY AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE STILL
00:07:14SUPPORT TRUMP. HE HAS NO WAY OF GETTING US OUT
00:07:17OF THIS SITUATION. HOST: MILTON, THANK YOU. AARON TO THAT POINT WE'VE HEARD
00:07:21OVER THE MONTHS FROM CALLERS A
00:07:23LOT OF FRUSTRATION ABOUT THIS SAYING THAT THE PRESIDENT YOU
00:07:27KNOW, STOPS SOMETHING THAT WAS FAIRLY OK. IN TERMS OF THE OBAMA ERA DEAL
00:07:31WITH IRAN. AND THAT THE STRATEGY NOW REMAINS UNCLEAR.
00:07:35WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT OR DO YOU
00:07:37THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO WHAT THE DURING IS PURSUING?
00:07:41GUEST: FIRST OF ALL HAPPY
00:07:47BIRTHDAY, MILTON. LOOK, THERE'S NO TRANSFORM TOUGH
00:07:51SOLUTION TO THE CHALLENGE OF IRAN UPPER AS LONG AS THIS
00:07:53REGIME MURDERS KILLS IN PRISONS AND SOME CITIZENS REMAINS IN
00:07:57POWER, THE BEST THE UNITED STATES OR ANY OF THE OTHER
00:07:59ACTORS CAN DO IS TO CREATE WHAT
00:08:05I WOULD CALL TRANSACTIONAL AGREEMENTS AND THE JOINT PLAN OF
00:08:09ACTION THE ONE THAT NELSON REFERRED TO WAS FLAWED BUT IT
00:08:13WAS FUNCTIONING. IT WAS DESIGNED ESSENTIALLY TO
00:08:16PUT TIME ON THE CLOCK SEPARATING
00:08:19IRAN FROM THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS
00:08:23ASPIRATIONS AND DO IT UNDER
00:08:25STRENUOUS AND INTRUSIVE
00:08:29MONITORING AND VERIFICATION. SO WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP
00:08:32UNILATERALLY WALKED OUT OF THE AGREEMENT IN 2018, BETWEEN 2018
00:08:36AND NOW, IRANIANS MANAGED TO
00:08:40ENRICH 11 TONS OF ENRICH URANIUM
00:08:43AT VARIOUS LEVELS, NOT BOMB RATES CERTAINLY BUT 900
00:08:46POWDERSVILLE AT 60% ANOTHER 30
00:08:49THEY GET TO BOMB GRADE. NELSON, I'LL BE, I GUESS I'LL
00:08:53PUT A SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT POINT ON IT.
00:08:55I'VE WORKED AND VOTED FOR THE
00:08:58REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS. NATIONAL SECURITY STRUCTURE IN
00:09:00THIS ADMINISTRATION IS DEEPLY FLAWED.
00:09:04YOU HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO IS NOT
00:09:07CURIOUS AT ALL.
00:09:09WHO IS ESSENTIALLY CONFLATED HIS
00:09:13OWN FINANCIAL INTEREST, HIS EGO,
00:09:15LIKES AND DISLIKES WITH THE
00:09:18NATIONAL INTEREST AND HIS ADVISORS YOU HAVE A SECRETARY OF
00:09:22STATE MISSING IN ACTION.
00:09:27IN THE FACE OF THE GREATEST FOREIGN POLICY CHALLENGE OF
00:09:31DONALD TRUMP'S SECOND TERM. HE'S DEPLOYED HIS SON-IN-LAW AND
00:09:35BEST FRIEND TO TRY TO NAVIGATE
00:09:38THE THREE MOST, THREE OF THE
00:09:40MOST I WOULD SAY COMPLICATED CONFLICTS IN THE INTERNATIONAL
00:09:44SYSTEM TODAY. RUSSIA, UKRAINE, ISRAEL GAZA, AND THE U.S. AND IRAN.
00:09:48SOME OF MY FORMER BOSSES JAMES
00:09:51BAKER IN PARTICULAR WOULD HAVE A
00:09:53VERY HARD TIME THESE ARE HEAVY
00:09:57LISTS BUT AT LEAST THERE WOULD
00:10:02BE THE CHANCE OF MOVING TOWARDS MAYBE INTERIM SOLUTIONS BUT
00:10:06MOVING ON THESE THREE FRONTS.
00:10:09NOW, YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE IN
00:10:11MANY RESPECTS IN TATTER, WHILE
00:10:16THE ADMINISTRATION ISN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THAT
00:10:19OCCURS IN THIS BROKEN END DISTINCTIONNAL REGION, CLEARLY
00:10:23ENGAGED IN POLICIES THAT WOULD
00:10:24MAKE THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION'S
00:10:27CHALLENGES ALL THAT HARDER.
00:10:29HOST: FEW CALLERS ON DECK, LET'S HEAR AND I'LL GET YOUR RESPONSES
00:10:33ON THE OTHER END. MIKE FROM ROCKFORD ILLINOIS ON INDEPENDENT LINE.
00:10:37GOOD MORNING, MIKE. YOU'RE ON.
00:10:40CALLER: GOOD MORNING. THE MIDDLE EAST I THINK IS TOO
00:10:43THINGS ROLLED INTO ONE. WE HAVE THE PALESTINE GENOCIDE
00:10:46AND WE GO THE TRUMP TRAIN WRECK IN IRAN.
00:10:49I'M WONDERING IF THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE HAMPERED WITH
00:10:53THE RECENT WE FOUND OUT A DAY OR
00:10:57TWO GO WERE CAPITOL ONE CLOSED
00:11:00DOWN 385 ACCOUNTS OF TRUMP'S
00:11:04BUSINESSES OVER TWO REASONS.
00:11:08MONEY LAUNDERING AND TERRORISM FUNDING. LET ME GET THIS RIGHT.
00:11:13OUR PRESIDENT IS ACCUSED -- NOT
00:11:17ACCUSED, BUT BANK RECORDS FLAGGED 385 ACCOUNTS GOT SHUT
00:11:21DOWN A DAY OR TWO AGO OVER
00:11:24TERRORISM FINANCING.
00:11:26YOU THINK DOES THAT GIVE OUR
00:11:30NEGOTIATION IN THE MIDDLE EAST A BLACK EYE?
00:11:33HOST: THANK YOU, LET'S GET TO OTHER CALLERS AND WE'LL WRAP UP
00:11:36WHAT YOU'RE MENTIONING AND GET AARON'S THOUGHTS. DAVE FROM QUEEN ON THE
00:11:40DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING, DAVE, YOU'RE ON.
00:11:42CALLER: I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE AREA.
00:11:46GOING BACK ESPECIALLY TO THE END
00:11:48OF WORLD WAR I, THAT WAS ALL
00:11:53CONTROLLED BY THE OTMON EMPIRE,
00:11:56A LOT OF IT. TURKEY WAS PART AND THEY WERE WITH GERMANY DURING THE WAR AND
00:12:00WHEN THEY LOST BASICALLY THAT
00:12:01WHOLE AREA GOT DIVIDED UP.
00:12:04GOT IN IT'S SPHERES OF
00:12:06INFLUENCE, THE BRITISH AND FRENCH, ANYWAY, SO THOSE
00:12:11COUNTRIES ACTUALLY BY BORDERS
00:12:13AND NAMES DID NOT EXIST.
00:12:16WHEN WE THE BRITISH WERE IN
00:12:18IRAN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT
00:12:23WAS BECAUSE OF THE OIL. AND WHEN MES DECK GOT ELECTED AS
00:12:26A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED AND HE
00:12:29WANTED TO NATIONALIZE THE OIL
00:12:32AND BASICALLY THE BRITISH GOT
00:12:35THROWN OUT. AMERICANS, YOU KNOW, BACKED A
00:12:38COUPE TO KNOCK HIM OUT OF POWER
00:12:40AND PUT SHAW INTO POWER.
00:12:47WE WERE BEHIND THE SHAW.
00:12:50AND HE WAS NOT YOU KNOW, POPULAR
00:12:53IN IRAN. HE WAS AN AUTO CRAT.
00:12:57SECRET POLICE HAD A LOT TO DO
00:13:00WITH WHEN YOU KNOW, WHEN THE --
00:13:06THE ISLAMIC RESOLUTION HAPPENED. EVERYBODY THOUGHT HISTORY STARTED RIGHT THEN.
00:13:10IT DIDN'T. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE
00:13:13YOU KNOW, LOOK BACK ON ALL THIS
00:13:15STUFF AND THEY REMEMBER THIS STUFF. UNITED STATES REALLY DID NOT
00:13:19HAVE A REAL IDEA OF HOW, YOU
00:13:22KNOW, PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT HISTORY. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, THEY'VE
00:13:26GOT LONG MEMORIES THERE. SO I GUESS I WANT TO ASK YOU
00:13:30ABOUT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
00:13:31AND ALSO, WE SEEM TO BE BACKING
00:13:34PEOPLE LIKE THAT A LOT.
00:13:38AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHAW.
00:13:41AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO
00:13:43BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO WE BACK IN
00:13:48THESE SITUATIONS. SO. HOST: THANK YOU, AARON LET'S COMBINE THOSE CALLERS THOUGHTS.
00:13:52I GUESS, WHAT ARE YOUR OBSERVATIONS ONE WITH YOU MENTIONED HOW THE PRESIDENT HAS
00:13:56PUT JARED KUSHNER HIS SON-IN-LAW
00:14:03AND HIS PERSONAL FRIEND. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT FACTORS INTO ALL OF THIS AND WHAT HAVE
00:14:07YOU OBSERVED AND COUPLE WITH THE LAST CALLER HE TALKED
00:14:10EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE HISTORY IN THE REGION WHICH YOU ALLUDED TO
00:14:13BUT DO YOU THINK GIVEN WHO THE
00:14:15PRESIDENT HAS PUT IN CHARGE OF THESE NEGOTIATIONS THEY ARE
00:14:18AWARE OF AND FACTORING ENOUGH THE HISTORY IN THE REGION AS THEY DECIDE WHO TO NEGOTIATE
00:14:22WITH AND KIND OF WHO TO PUT, YOU KNOW, PRESSURE ON?
00:14:26GUEST: LET ME DEAL WITH THE SECOND QUESTION FIRST, IN 2017 I
00:14:30GOT CALL FROM JARED KUSHNER WHO
00:14:32WANTED TO TALK SHORTLY AFTER HIS FATHER IN LAW RECOGNIZED
00:14:36JURISDICTION WAS THE CAPITOL OF
00:14:38ISRAEL AND WOULD LATER MOVE THE
00:14:41EMBASSY U.S. EMBASSY THERE.
00:14:44AND YOU KNOW, GAVE KUSHNER
00:14:47CREDIT FOR AND HE WANTED TO UNDERMINE PROGRESSIONS I'VE DONE
00:14:51THE ISRAELI PALESTINE NEGOTIATIONS BETTER PART OF 20
00:14:54YEARS AND STARTED TALKING TO HIM ABOUT AGREEMENT AND THAT AND HE
00:14:58RESPECTFULLY INTERRUPTED AND SAID LOOK, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY.
00:15:02WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE HISTORY.
00:15:05MY FATHER IN LAW HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF IDEAS.
00:15:09AND HE LAID THEM OUT.
00:15:11AND BASICALLY THEY HAVE GUIDED
00:15:14THE ADMINISTRATION POLICY AT LEAST DURING TRUMP 1.0.
00:15:18SO HISTORY IS CRITICALLY
00:15:20IMPORTANT FOR THE GREAT POWER.
00:15:23IT CLEARLY CREATED THE ISSUE OF
00:15:27HISTORICAL WOUNDING OF TRAUMA FOR THE PEOPLE IN THIS REGION, NO QUESTION.
00:15:30BUT FOR THE GREAT POWER AND
00:15:34WE'RE THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL POWER ON EARTH.
00:15:38HISTORY SHOULD TEACH TWO BASIC
00:15:41LESSONS AND SHOULD INSTRUCT A GREAT POWER TO AVOID
00:15:44TRANSGRESSIONS IN TWO AREAS
00:15:46NUMBER ONE, I'LL CALL THEM SINCE
00:15:50BECAUSE THEY OFTEN LEAD TO THE
00:15:53DEATHS OF AND DESTRUCTION.
00:15:56ONE IS THE SIN OF ONNIPIDENCE.
00:16:05GREAT POWER THINKS IT'S KNOWS EVERYTHING BELIEVES IT CAN DO EVERYTHING THE OTHER IS THE SIN
00:16:08OF OMISSION, THINGS IT KNOWS EVERYTHING.
00:16:11AND THIS I THINK IS A HUGE PROBLEM. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T
00:16:15KNOW, AND YOU'RE NOT IN A HURRY
00:16:17TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT, YOU'VE GOT
00:16:20A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
00:16:22JUST A I'M SITTING ATTHE PHONE .
00:16:30IT IS THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE PHONE.
00:16:45"HOLD " HE SAYS.
00:16:47HE GOES, I KNOW YOU'RE BUSY.
00:16:49YOU WROTE A MEMOIR ON LEBANON.
00:16:55IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN MAKING WISE DECISIONS.
00:16:57I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT IS NOT
00:17:02THE CASE HERE.
00:17:03ON THE ISSUE OF TERROR
00:17:10FINANCING, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE CALLER.
00:17:12THE TREASURY IS ALL OVER THIS
00:17:17ISSUE OF TERROR FINANCING.
00:17:19IF THE CALLER IS REFERRING TO
00:17:22CORRUPTION AND SELF-DEALING, IT
00:17:24IS REMARKABLE AND I WILL REMIND
00:17:27VIEWERS AND LISTENERS AGAIN, I VOTED FOR REPUBLICANS AND
00:17:30DEMOCRATS. I WORK FOR REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
00:17:34THE DEGREE OF SELF-DEALING AND CORRUPTION OF THIS
00:17:37ADMINISTRATION AND IN THE MIDST OF NATIONAL INTEREST WITH
00:17:39BUSINESS INTERESTS, SENIOR-LEVEL OFFICIALS OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, HIS HEAD EXPLODE.
00:17:45IT IS HARD TO UNWIND THESE THINGS ON A GRANULAR LEVEL.
00:17:48IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT WE HAVE
00:17:49NEVER HAD A PRESIDENT IN HISTORY
00:17:53OF THIS REPUBLIC THAT HAS BEEN
00:17:56WILLING TO LOWER THE LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE
00:18:00NATION AND WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE
00:18:03PRESIDENT'S BUSINESS ORGANIZATION.
00:18:08$2.2 BILLION THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTED.
00:18:12DONALD TRUMP MADE IN 2025 WHICH IS ROUGHLY DOUBLE THE AMOUNT IN
00:18:18TRUMP 1.0. THIS TO ME IS EXTREMELY
00:18:22WORRISOME AS IS THE UNDERMINING
00:18:27OF THE NORMS AND INSTITUTIONS OF AFFECTIVE SELF-GOVERNANCE.
00:18:32HOST: MATT HAS BEEN STANDING BY
00:18:37IN TEXAS ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING.
00:18:40CALLER: YEAH.
00:18:46I WAS JUST WONDERING. THIS GUY SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING BUT A LEFT-WING ACTIVIST.
00:18:52I WONDER IF HE SUPPORTS EL-SAYED
00:18:58AND MAMDANI SAYING WE DESERVE
00:19:03911 SINCE HE IS A LEFT-WING ACTIVIST.
00:19:11ALSO, THERE IS A LOT OF PREGNANT
00:19:15WOMEN WHO DIED IN 911.
00:19:19THIS COMMUNIST WHICH IS REALLY
00:19:25WHAT THIS GUY IS. DONALD TRUMP IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
00:19:28MARCO RUBIO IS DOING A GREAT JOB.
00:19:32IT IS A BUNCH OF COMMUNISTS UP
00:19:34HERE AND YOU ARE SITTING HERE LETTING HIM DO IT.
00:19:38HOST: A COUPLE OF POINTS.
00:19:44AS AARON HAS BROUGHT UP, HE WORKED AT THE DEPARTMENT FOR
00:19:47DECADES AT BOTH REPUBLICAN AND
00:19:50DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATIONS.
00:19:55I WANT TO BRING UP WHAT MAP WAS
00:19:58MENTIONING -- WHAT MATT WAS
00:20:04MENTIONING.
00:20:05WE HAVE SEEN AN EMERGING DIVIDE WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OVER SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL.
00:20:10IN TERMS OF THE FOREIGN POLICY RAMIFICATIONS AND HOW THE U.S.
00:20:14IS ADJUSTING OR MOVING WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CONFLICTS, WHAT
00:20:16ARE YOU OBSERVING AND DID YOU THINK THAT SHIFT WITHIN THE
00:20:20DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOTABLE OR IS THAT MORE OF A POLITICAL THING RATHER THAN A POLICY
00:20:24THING?
00:20:24GUEST: THE POLITICS ARE CLEAR.
00:20:28THE DEGREE TO WHICH IT WILL AFFECT THE POLICY HAS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
00:20:32THE DEMOCRATIC IS NO LONGER THE
00:20:37ISRAEL RIGHT OR WRONG PARTY. THERE ARE STILL LARGE ELEMENTS
00:20:40IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WHO
00:20:41WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS ALSO NOT
00:20:45ISRAEL IS ALWAYS WRONG.
00:20:47NOT ISRAEL RIGHT OR WRONG BUT ISRAEL IS NOT ALWAYS WRONG.
00:20:53FOLLOW THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP FOR QUITE A LONG TIME.
00:20:57I HAVE NEVER SEEN THREE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT
00:21:01SUPPORT THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP UNDER GREATER STRESS.
00:21:05NUMBER ONE IS, VALUES.
00:21:08A SECOND IS SHARED INTERESTS AND
00:21:10A THIRD IS A SUSTAINABLE BASIS OF DOMESTIC SUPPORT.
00:21:15IN EACH OF THOSE AREAS, THE
00:21:18U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP IS ON A
00:21:24POLITICAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
00:21:24INCREASING PUBLIC CRITICISM, I
00:21:28WOULD QUOTE DOROTHY FROM THE WIZARD OF OZ. WE ARE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE.
00:21:33I THINK IT IS A SHIFT THAT HAS BEEN RATHER REMARKABLE.
00:21:37THE DEGREE TO WHICH WE WILL CONTINUE, NUMBER ONE AND THE
00:21:41DEGREE TO WHICH IT WILL BEGIN TO AFFECT THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF
00:21:44THE U.S.-ISRAEL RELATIONSHIP IS UNCLEAR.
00:21:48I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CONTINGENCIES. WHO BECOMES THE NEXT ISRAEL
00:21:52PRIME MINISTER?
00:21:53AFTER ALL, NETANYAHU HAS BEEN
00:21:59GOVERNING ISRAEL FOR 15 OF THE LAST 17 YEARS. HIS POLICIES INTERNALLY HAVE
00:22:04UNDERMINED AND COMPROMISED
00:22:06ISRAEL'S DEMOCRATIC CHARACTER EVEN WHILE IT MAINTAINS AN
00:22:10OCCUPATION OVER THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM.
00:22:18IT PRACTICES A SORT OF SYSTEMIC DISCRIMINATION EVEN AGAINST
00:22:22ISRAEL'S 2 MILLION CITIZENS WHO ARE PALESTINIANS.
00:22:26WE WERE GUARANTEED UNDER THE ISRAEL DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.
00:22:30THE QUESTION IS HOW WILL THE NEXT PRESIDENT DEMOCRATIC OR
00:22:35REPUBLICAN PROCESS THESE INCREASING CRITICISMS AND WILL
00:22:39IT AFFECT THE ELEMENTS OF THE RELATIONSHIP? MILITARY ASSISTANCE,
00:22:45INTELLIGENCE COOPERATION. THE FACT WE HAVE JOINT EXERCISES
00:22:47WITH THE ISRAELIS.
00:22:56DEFENSE COOPERATION. HOW WILL IT IMPACT THAT?
00:22:59THAT IS YET TO BE SEEN.
00:23:02IT MAY WELL TURN OUT MORE THAN
00:23:08WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT IS. IT MAY BE CONTINGENT ON WHO THE
00:23:12NEXT PRIME MINISTER OF ISRAEL IS
00:23:18. WE HAVE ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY IN NOVEMBER.
00:23:23ISRAEL HAS ELECTIONS ON OCTOBER 27.
00:23:24THOSE ELECTIONS WILL PROBABLY BE
00:23:28AMONG THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL FOR ISRAEL.
00:23:32HOST: I WANTED TO DIE FURTHER
00:23:36INTO ISRAEL AND HAMAS. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TOUTED A NEW
00:23:39DEAL TO POTENTIALLY DISARM HAMAS.
00:23:41IT HAS BEEN 10 MONTHS SINCE THE U.S. CEASE-FIRE AGREEMENT
00:23:44BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS WAS
00:23:47ANNOUNCED BUT GAZA REMAINS SHATTERED. MILLIONS OF PALESTINIANS
00:23:51REMAINED DISPLACED AT THE TERRITORY'S HEALTH MINISTRY,
00:23:551200 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED SINCE THE CEASE-FIRE TOOK EFFECT.
00:23:58WHAT HAS BEEN STRIKING THIS WEEK IS NETANYAHU SAID THAT ISRAEL
00:24:02WOULD NOT WITHDRAW FROM GAZA UNTIL HAMAS WAS DISARMED BUT
00:24:04HAMAS HAS BEEN SAYING THEY WILL
00:24:08ONLY DISARM WHEN ISRAEL WITHDRAWS. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE
00:24:11THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW AND HOW DO THEY MOVE ON IF EACH SIDE IS
00:24:15SAYING THEY WILL NOT BUDGE UNTIL THE OTHER DOES? GUEST: I DON'T WANT TO TRIVIALIZE THIS.
00:24:21GAZA I SHOULD SUSPECT IS GOING
00:24:24TO REMAINED DIVIDED AND SPORADICALLY VIOLENT.
00:24:27IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS DE-
00:24:32MILITARIZATION WORK, YOU NEED
00:24:3724/7 INVOLVEMENT BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
00:24:44STAFFED BY FOLKS WHO UNDERSTAND
00:24:46THE CONFLICT AND YOU NEED TO
00:24:50BEGIN TO PIECE TOGETHER THE MISSING INGREDIENTS.
00:24:53THERE IS A NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF GAZA WHICH IS TO ASSUME CONTROL OVER
00:24:57ALL OF HAMAS WEAPONS.
00:25:00THIS COMMITTEE EXISTS --
00:25:02CONSISTS OF 12 TECHNOCRATS WHO
00:25:06HAVE NOT ENTERED GAZA YET.
00:25:08NUMBER TWO, YOU NEED A
00:25:10COORDINATED AGREEMENT AND
00:25:13STABILIZATION FORCE TO MONITOR BETWEEN ISRAEL AND HAMAS.
00:25:17YOU HAVE ABOUT 200 TROOPS SIGNED UP.
00:25:21THE ALBANIANS, KOSOVO, I THINK THE MOROCCANS.
00:25:27THAT'S NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.
00:25:29AND YOU NEED THE TRAINING OF A PALESTINIAN POLICE FORCE. THE CANDIDATES ARE THERE.
00:25:37MAYBE AS MANY AS FIVE THOUSAND.
00:25:40THEY CANNOT GET OUT OF GAZA. TO GO TO EGYPT FOR TRAINING
00:25:44BECAUSE THE ISRAELIS WERE NOT
00:25:49OFFERED ASSURANCES THAT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED BACK IN. THEN YOU HAVE THE DISTRUST
00:25:53BETWEEN HAMAS RESPONSIBLE FOR OCTOBER 7 AND THE GOVERNMENT OF
00:25:56ISRAEL WHICH IS PROSECUTING THE
00:26:01BOARD TO ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATE WILLFUL AND INDISCRIMINATE
00:26:05KILLING OF CIVILIANS, THE MUTILATION AND TAKING A POSITIVE
00:26:09BY HAMAS.
00:26:11IT HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE IN AN
00:26:13EFFORT TO PROSECUTE THIS WAR OF
00:26:17PARTIAL RESPONSIBILITY HAMAS
00:26:22LOCATES ASSETS IN AND AROUND THE GLOBE CIVILIAN POPULATIONS BUT
00:26:26THE ISRAELIS HAVE DONE SO WITH
00:26:30ABANDON AND WITH THE RISKS TO CIVILIANS.
00:26:34EVEN BY THE IDEA OF STANDARD YOU
00:26:37HAVE 7000 PALESTINIANS WHO MIGHT BE KILLED.
00:26:39EVEN IF YOU DEDUCT 25 THOUSAND
00:26:42OF THOSE AS HAMAS FIGHTERS, YOU
00:26:43ARE LEFT WITH A STAGGERING TRAGIC TOLL OF INNOCENT
00:26:47PALESTINIAN LIVES SO THERE IS NO TRUST AND NO CONFIDENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO.
00:26:52I THINK THE PROSPECTS OF
00:26:54MEANINGFUL SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS
00:26:56ON THIS PLAN BETWEEN NOW AND THE
00:26:59ISRAEL ELECTIONS IS SLIM TO NONE.
00:27:00HOST: WE WILL HEAR FROM ONE MORE CALL HER BEFORE WE LET YOU KNOW.
00:27:05RAY IS CALLING FROM PENNSYLVANIA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. GOOD MORNING.
00:27:09CALLER: HI.
00:27:14I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO TRUMP'S
00:27:15OPTIONS FOR ENDING THIS WAR AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IDEAS I HAVE FOR THAT.
00:27:21FIRST OF ALL, I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE WE WILL NEVER GO BACK
00:27:24TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. NOW THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED
00:27:28WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ AND
00:27:31THE ABILITY OF IRAN TO REACH OUT AND STRIKE WHOEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT.
00:27:35THE WAY I SEE IT, TRUMP HAS
00:27:38MAYBE TWO OR THREE THINGS HE CAN DO AND ALL OF THEM ARE BAD.
00:27:42SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY BAD. FIRST, YOU CAN SIGN A DEAL THAT
00:27:46WILL ULTIMATELY BE BAD FOR THE UNITED STATES AND WALK AWAY FROM
00:27:51THIS AND JUST LET IRAN GO AND DO
00:27:54WHAT THEY NEED TO DO AND
00:27:57PROBABLY START DIGGING OUT THEIR
00:27:58NUCLEAR STUFF AND BURYING IT
00:28:01EVEN DEEPER WITH THE WAR OUT OF
00:28:03THE WAY AND EVENTUALLY GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY HAVE A BOMB.
00:28:09THEN HE IS GOING TO LET THE REST
00:28:12OF THE REGION BEYOND THEIR OWN.
00:28:15-- BE ON THEIR OWN.
00:28:20SECOND, HE CAN EXPAND THE WAR, BRINGING IN GROUND TROOPS AND
00:28:24TRY TO DETHRONE THE REGIME AND
00:28:27DO WHAT HE TRIED, WHAT WE TRIED
00:28:32TO DO IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WHICH IS ANOTHER BAD DEAL.
00:28:37THIRDLY, THIS WAR REMINDS ME OF TWO OF THE WARS.
00:28:39VIETNAM AND WORLD WAR II.
00:28:43VIETNAM, RIGHT NOW I SEE PEOPLE
00:28:48AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM BOMBING
00:28:56LITTLE TRUCKS AND BOATS IN HARBORS WITH STRATEGIC MISSILES.
00:28:59JUST LIKE IN VIETNAM WHEN THEY BOMBED THE ROADS.
00:29:03I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM A
00:29:06PILOT OUT THERE TO SEE WHETHER THEY THINK THEY ARE DOING
00:29:10STRATEGIC TARGETS WHEN THEY BOMBED A TRUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
00:29:14SECOND, WORLD WAR II.
00:29:19TRUMAN HAD THE CHOICE OF SENDING
00:29:21TROOPS TO FIGHT THAT WAR WITH
00:29:24GROUND TROOPS AND ULTIMATELY
00:29:28LOSING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
00:29:29TROOPS ON BOTH SIDES, FIGHTING
00:29:33DOOR TO DOOR IN VIETNAM. IT REMINDS ME OF THAT IN IRAN RIGHT NOW.
00:29:37IF HE SENDS IN TROOPS, IT IS GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF
00:29:41THOUSANDS OF DEAD AND INJURED.
00:29:49HOST: I AM GOING TO POLITELY INTERJECT BECAUSE I WANT TO GET THE RESPONSE TO THE POINTS YOU ARE RAISING. HE PRESENTS SEVERAL SCENARIOS.
00:29:54WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT HE HAD TO SAY?
00:29:55GUEST: THE CALLER HAS SAID THE
00:30:01OPTIONS ARE VERY BAD. THE TWO THAT THE PRESIDENT DID NOT WANT TO ADDRESS.
00:30:08NOT JUST AGAINST MILITARY TARGETS. BUT AGAINST CIVILIAN
00:30:12INFRASTRUCTURE.
00:30:14POWER GENERATION PLANTS, WATER
00:30:18PURIFICATION, BRIDGES AND ENERGY
00:30:22INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS ONE OPTION.
00:30:24THAT WILL PRODUCE AN IRANIAN RETALIATION AGAINST THE GULF STATES.
00:30:28IT WILL DRIVE THE PRICE OF OIL HIGHER.
00:30:31OR AS THE CALLER HAS SUGGESTED, HE COULD CUT A DEAL THAT
00:30:34CONCEDES SOME MEASURE OF CONTROL
00:30:39AND LEVERAGE. THE IRANIANS WANT A LOT.
00:30:43THE STRAITS ARE NOW IRAN'S NEW
00:30:48NUCLEAR WEAPON. IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE IF THEY GAIN CONTROL.
00:30:52HE WANTS TO AVOID BOTH OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
00:30:54I WILL TELL YOU, YOU CAN ASK ME THIS QUESTION AGAIN. I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.
00:30:58I DO NOT SEE RIGHT NOW HOW THE WAR ENDS.
00:31:01I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHAT
00:31:06JOHNSON SAID ABOUT VIETNAM.
00:31:08THE COMPARISON IS APT.
00:31:14JOHNSON SAID HE FELT LIKE A
00:31:17HITCHHIKER IN A TEXAS HAILSTORM. HE COULD NOT RUN.
00:31:22HE COULD NOT HIDE. THAT IS DONALD TRUMP'S DILEMMA.
00:31:25THE OPTIONS ARE BAD TO WORSE TOO
00:31:29TERRIBLE.
00:31:29I GUESS IF I WAS ADVISING, I
00:31:34WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT
00:31:38EXTRICATION FROM THIS WAR WHICH
00:31:41HAS DRAINED AMERICAN
00:31:45INTERCEPTORS AND TOMAHAWK MISSILES.
00:31:48YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT PUTIN
00:31:52AND PRESIDENT XI ARE THINKING.
00:31:57EVERY TIME WE USE ONE, THAT IS
00:32:00FOUR MILLION DOLLARS, AGAINST
00:32:01IRANIAN DRONES, THERE IS OUR $40,000.
00:32:05EVERY TIME WE DO THAT, OUR STOCKS ARE LOW.
00:32:08SO IS OUR CAPACITY TO PRODUCE THESE THINGS.
00:32:12XI IS THINKING THAT IS ONE LESS
00:32:14KNOW SO THEY CAN USE AGAINST MY EFFORT OVER TIME TO DEAL WITH TAIWAN.
00:32:19PUTIN IS MAKING MONEY FROM THE PRICE OF OIL. WE ARE NOT GIVING UKRAINE
00:32:23ANYMORE WEAPONS. THE EUROPEANS ARE BUYING THEM.
00:32:25THEY HAVE FEWER PATRIOT
00:32:30INTERCEPTORS. AT THIS POINT, NONE TO GIVE THE
00:32:33UKRAINE AGAINST IRAN'S BALLISTIC MISSILES.
00:32:37WE COULD GET OUT OF THIS WAR, BULK UP AMERICAN DEFENSE
00:32:40CAPABILITIES AND -- IN PREPARATION FOR CONFLICTS THAT
00:32:44ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT. HOPEFULLY UNNECESSARY.
00:32:49OR YOU COULD RISK SOMEHOW GIVING
00:32:50THE IRANIANS A WAY, IF IT IS
00:32:58PERFORMATIVE AND DOES NOT INVOLVE MASSIVE TOLLS AND NAVIGATION FEES OVER THE STRAITS.
00:33:03IF IT IS NOT SOMETHING HE WANTS TO DO.
00:33:05I THINK IT IS BAD FOR AMERICAN INTEREST.
00:33:08I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY OUT OTHER THAN SOME AGREEMENT.
00:33:12OTHERWISE, HE WILL DO WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING.
00:33:16THE NAVAL BLOCKADE WILL CONTINUE TO BE IMPOSED AND THE PRESIDENT
00:33:19WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THE MIDDLE OPTION FOR WEEKS, IF NOT
00:33:22MONTHS TO COME AND THAT IS GOING
00:33:25TO BE EVEN WORSE FOR THE GLOBAL ECONOMY.
00:33:28NOT FOR THE OIL COMPANIES WHEN THEY ARE RAKING IT IN.
00:33:33BUT FOR THE ISSUE OF SECURITY
00:33:35AND OIL AND HYDROCARBONS AND FOR
00:33:40THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AS WELL.
00:33:40HOST: AARON DAVID MILLER IS THE
00:33:45SENIOR FELLOW AT THE CARNEGIE ENDOWMENT FOR PEACE AND HAS
00:33:49SPENT DECADES WORKING UNDER BOTH PARTIES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE.
00:33:53GUEST: THANKS FOR HAVING ME. HOST: HAVE A GOOD ONE.
00:33:58>> WASHINGTON JOURNAL, OUR LIVE
00:34:03PERFORMANCE INVITING YOU TO DISCUSS THE LATEST ISSUES IN
00:34:06GOVERNMENT, POLITICS AND PUBLIC POLICY FROM WASHINGTON TO ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
00:34:10SUNDAY MORNING, WE WILL TALK
00:34:12WITH THE HOST OF THE DEAN O
00:34:20BEIDALLAH SHOW ON THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
00:34:26ALSO, PETER LAFFIN.
00:34:33WASHINGTON JOURNAL.
00:34:36JOIN THE CONVERSATION LIVE AT 7:00 EASTERN SUNDAY MORNING ON
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00:34:47>> WATCH AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB,
00:34:51C-SPAN'S BOLD ORIGINAL SERIES SUNDAY WITH OUR GUEST
00:34:54BEST-SELLING AUTHOR HEATHER COX
00:34:58RICHARDSON, A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AT AUSTIN COLLEGE AND
00:34:59WHOSE BOOKS SPAN SUBJECTS
00:35:10ON THE GILDED AGE AND THE CIVIL WAR.
00:35:12HER BEST-SELLING NOVEL,
00:35:17"DEMOCRACY AWAKENING. SHE JOINS DAVID RUBENSTEIN.
00:35:23>> SOME PEOPLE SAY THE INDISPENSABLE PERSON WAS GEORGE WASHINGTON.
00:35:27IF HE WERE NOT GENERAL, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE LOST THE WAR.
00:35:32DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT?
00:35:34>> IN TERMS OF THE PERSON HE WAS AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO WALK AWAY
00:35:38FROM POWER, THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARY.
00:35:41I ALWAYS TELL MY STUDENTS AMERICA HAS LUCKED OUT A NUMBER
00:35:43OF TIMES OVER THE FIRST TIME WAS WITH GEORGE WASHINGTON IN THAT
00:35:47POSITION WITH EXTRAORDINARY POWER, WALKING AWAY FROM THE
00:35:50ARMY FIRST. THAT IS WHY THAT IS IN THE
00:35:54ROTUNDA OF THE CAPITAL. BUT THEN WALKING AWAY FROM THE
00:35:58PRESIDENCY IS AN EXTRAORDINARY THING. >> WATCH AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB
00:36:01WITH HEATHER COX RICHARDSON SUNDAY NIGHT ONLY ON C-SPAN.
00:36:15>> THE YAYS ARE 50.
00:36:23THE NAYS ARE 49.
00:36:29THAT NOMINATION IS REFERRED.
00:36:30>> THE FINAL TALLY WHICH TOOK
00:36:35PLACE IN THE HOURS OF SATURDAY, AUGUST 8 CAPPED A CONTENTIOUS FIGHT OVER THE NOMINEE.
00:36:41TWO REPUBLICANS VOTED AGAINST TRUMP'S PIG. SENATOR COLLINS FROM MAINE AND LISA MURKOWSKI FROM ALASKA.
00:36:47WHILE MITCH MCCONNELL MISSED THE VOTE AS HE CONTINUES TO RECOVER FROM HEALTH ISSUES.
00:36:54LAWMAKERS ALSO APPROVED SHORT-TERM FUNDING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THROUGH DECEMBER 11.
00:36:58THAT RESOLUTION NOW NEEDS HOUSE APPROVAL TO AVOID ANOTHER
00:37:01GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN SEPTEMBER 30.
00:37:05SENATORS NOW JOIN THEIR COLLEAGUES WERE A STATE WORK PERIOD.
00:37:08WE EXPECT REGULAR SESSIONS UNTIL
00:37:10THEY RETURN FOR LEGISLATIVE WORK . THE HOUSE TAKES UP BUSINESS
00:37:14AGAIN ON AUGUST 31 WHILE THE SENATE WILL COME BACK MONDAY,
00:37:18SEPTEMBER 14. WATCH THE HOUSE TO LIVE ON
00:37:22C-SPAN, THE SENATE ON C-SPAN 2
00:37:24AND ALL OF OUR PROGRAMMING CAN
00:37:28BE FOUND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG OR WITH THE FREE C-SPAN NOW VIDEO AVENUE.
00:37:33-- VIDEO APP.
00:37:34HOST: WE ARE JOINED NOW BY OUR
00:37:38NEXT GUEST, KATHY ROTH-DOUQUET,
00:37:43THE COFOUNDER AND CEO OF BLUE STAR FAMILIES TO DISCUSS
00:37:47SOMETHING THE WHITE HOUSE ANNOUNCED, A NEW COMMISSION DESIGNED TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES FACING MILITARY FAMILIES.
00:37:51THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. GUEST: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
00:37:53HOST: FOR FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR
00:37:57WITH YOUR ORGANIZATION, EXPLAIN THE BKG