CSPAN — The Hearing Room Stakeholders Testify on Social Security Solvency

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Stakeholders representing AARP and the National Academy of Social Insurance are among the witnesses who testified on Social Security solvency before the Senate Finance Committee. The committee and panel of witnesses discussed the best process for Congress to address Social Security funding before it is unable to pay out full benefits.<br /><br />Sponsor: Senate Finance Committee

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00:01:39>> FOR MANY AMERICANS, SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE CORNERSTONE OF
00:01:42RETIREMENT SECURITY AND PROVIDES VITAL SUPPORT TO WORKERS WHO CAN
00:01:46NO LONGER PROVIDE A LIVING DUE
00:01:49TO INJURY OR ILLNESS.
00:01:51THE SOCIAL SECURITY BOARD OF TRUSTEES HAS RECOMMENDED THAT
00:01:55CONGRESS ACT QUICKLY TO ADDRESS THE PROGRAM'S LONG-TERM FINANCIAL CHALLENGES.
00:01:58ACCORDING TO THE TRUSTEES'
00:02:01LATEST PROJECTIONS, THE OLD AGE
00:02:04AND SURVIVORS INSURANCE TRUST FUNDS WILL BE EXHAUSTED IN LATE
00:02:082032. IF CONGRESS FAILS TO ACT BEFORE
00:02:12THEN, INCOMING PROGRAM RUIZ WILL
00:02:13BE SUFFICIENT TO PAY ONLY 78% OF
00:02:17THE PROMISED BENEFITS. CONGRESS HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL
00:02:21SECURITY FOR CURRENT
00:02:23BENEFICIARIES AND FUTURE GENERATIONS.
00:02:26THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE MORE DIFFICULT THIS CHALLENGE WILL BECOME.
00:02:30THE LAST COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT TO
00:02:33IMPROVE SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY TOOK PLACE OVER 40 YEARS AGO AND
00:02:36CULMINATED IN THE SOCIAL
00:02:38SECURITY AMENDMENTS OF 1983.
00:02:41THOSE REFORMS WERE PRECEDED BY
00:02:46HIGH-LEVEL BIPARTISAN NEGOTIATIONS, INFORMED AND FACILITATED BY THE WORK OF THE
00:02:50NATIONAL COMMISSION ON SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM, WHAT WAS KNOWN
00:02:54AS THE GREENSPAN COMMISSION.
00:02:57THAT PROCESS DEMONSTRATED THE
00:02:59VALUE OF CREATING A FORUM WHERE POLICYMAKERS COULD WORK THROUGH
00:03:03DIFFICULT ISSUES AND BUILD
00:03:04CONSENSUS ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS.
00:03:08MORE THAN TWO DECADES LATER, I PARTICIPATED IN ANOTHER
00:03:11BIPARTISAN EFFORT TO DEVELOP
00:03:14RECOMMENDATIONS, TO ADDRESS OUR NATION'S LONG-TERM FISCAL
00:03:18CHALLENGES. ALONG WITH SENATOR DICK DURBIN,
00:03:21THE DEMOCRATIC CO-AUTHOR OF ONE OF THE PROCESS BILLS THAT WILL
00:03:24BE DISCUSSED TODAY. AS A PART OF ITS WORK, THE
00:03:28NATIONAL COMMISSION ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND REFORM, OFTEN
00:03:32REFORMED TO AS THE SIMPSON
00:03:36COMMISSION, DEVELOPED A BIPARTISAN SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY PLAN.
00:03:39WHILE THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS ULTIMATELY DID
00:03:43NOT RECEIVE SUPPORT NECESSARY TO
00:03:44MOVE FORWARD, ITS WORK HAS
00:03:49INFORMED SUBSEQUENT SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY DISCUSSIONS.
00:03:53AS SOCIAL SECURITY APPROACHES A
00:03:56PIVOTAL MOMENT, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE PROPOSED A VARIETY
00:03:58OF PROCESS REFORMS DESIGNED TO FACILITATE BIPARTISAN
00:04:01DISCUSSIONS AND HELP DEVELOP LASTING SOLUTIONS AND THAT'S
00:04:05PART OF THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY. TODAY'S HEARING WILL EXAMINE
00:04:09THOSE APPROACHES AND CONSIDER
00:04:11WHAT LESSONS CAN BE DRAWN FROM PAST EFFORTS.
00:04:14BEFORE I TURN TO RANKING MEMBER
00:04:16WIDEN, I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY LAY OUT HOW THE REST OF THE HEARING
00:04:20WILL PROCEED. AFTER RANKING MEMBER WIDEN GIVES
00:04:23HIS OPENING REMARKS, GENERALLY WE GO IMMEDIATELY TO THE
00:04:26WITNESSES BUT TODAY WE'LL LET OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE,
00:04:29IF THEY CHOOSE, TO HAVE A FIVE-MINUTE OPENING STATEMENT.
00:04:33SOME OF THESE MEMBERS WILL I'M SURE USE THIS FIVE MINUTES TO
00:04:37TALK ABOUT THEIR IDEAS.
00:04:41ONCE MEMBERS CONCLUDE THESE
00:04:43OPENING STATEMENTS, WE WILL TURN TO OUR WITNESSES FOR THEIR
00:04:46OPENING REMARKS AND PROCEED TO MEMBER QUESTIONS.
00:04:49I WANT TO THANK OUR WITNESSES FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR TESTIMONY.
00:04:53NOW I TURN TO RANKING MEMBER WIDEN FOR HIS OPENING REMARKS.
00:04:57>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLANTAR FASCITIS -- MR. CHAIRMAN.
00:05:01I SHARE YOUR VIEW THAT WE HAVE
00:05:05AN EXCELLENT PANEL OF WITNESSES AND A GOOD START TO THIS ISSUE.
00:05:08WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THE
00:05:11FUTURE OF SOCIAL SECURITY, AS
00:05:16SACRED AN ISSUE AS THERE IS IN AMERICA.
00:05:18THE TRUST FUND IS GOING TO BE DEPLETED BEFORE THE END OF THE
00:05:22NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION. SEVERAL REPUBLICAN MEMBERS OF
00:05:26THE PANEL WILL SAY THAT THEY
00:05:29HAVE A SOLUTION, SOME SORT OF
00:05:33UNACCOUNTABLE COMMISSION THAT
00:05:35RUBBER STAMPS BENEFIT CUTS LIKE INCREASING THE RETIREMENT AGE.
00:05:39IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TIME SOME REPUBLICANS GET THEIR HANDS ON
00:05:42THESE SORT OF IDEAS FOR SOCIAL
00:05:45SECURITY, LIFE GETS WORSE FOR
00:05:47OLDER PEOPLE THAT COUNT ON THE
00:05:49PROGRAM TO GET BY.
00:05:52NOW, THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP AND THE BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL, THE
00:05:56CRISIS IS SPEEDING UP. SENATORS ELECTED THIS FALL WILL
00:06:00BE IN OFFICE WHEN SOCIAL
00:06:01SECURITY BECOMES INSOLVENT AND
00:06:04REPUBLICANS STARTED THIS FIRE AND NOW THEY'RE CLAIMING THEY'RE
00:06:07THE ONES THAT CAN PUT IT OUT.
00:06:11THE CONSEQUENCES OF INSOLVENCY ARE SEVERE.
00:06:15AMERICANS WHO PAID INTO SOCIAL SECURITY OUT OF EVERY PAYCHECK
00:06:18DURING THEIR WORKING YEARS WOULD
00:06:19NO LONGER RECEIVE FULL BENEFIT.
00:06:22ONE IN FOUR SENIORS RELY ON THEIR EARNED SOCIAL SECURITY
00:06:26BENEFITS FOR VIRTUALLY ALL OF THEIR INCOME.
00:06:30THAT NUMBER IS EVEN HIGHER FOR PEOPLE RECEIVING DISABILITY
00:06:34BENEFITS OR KIDS WHO LOST A
00:06:37PARENT.
00:06:40TRUMP AND THE MAGA CROWD GIVE
00:06:41HUGE TAX BREAKS TO BILLIONAIRES
00:06:44AND MASSIVE CORPORATIONS AND
00:06:47THAT BILL PLUNDERED SOCIAL
00:06:50SECURITY BY $168 BILLION.
00:06:53YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
00:06:56THE NUMBER COMES FROM THE SOCIAL
00:06:59SECURITY ACTUARY OFFICE ITSELF.
00:07:01SO HERE'S MY BOTTOM LINE.
00:07:04I WANT TO WORK ON A BIPARTISAN
00:07:06BASIS TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND
00:07:08PROTECT TYPICAL RETIREES FROM
00:07:11MISSING OUT ON THEIR EARNED BENEFITS IN A LITTLE MORE THAN SIX YEARS.
00:07:15THAT CAN BE DONE BY UPDATING SOCIAL SECURITY TO REFLECT THE
00:07:19ECONOMY OF TODAY AND ASK BILLIONAIRES TO PAY THEIR FAIR
00:07:23SHARE THROUGH THE PAYROLL AND
00:07:27INCOME TAXES.
00:07:29THAT SAID, SO I WISH THAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS HERE TO
00:07:33MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A
00:07:37SUBSTANTIVE DEBATE. INSTEAD, THE CONCEPT BEING
00:07:40DISCUSSED TODAY WOULD ACT AS A SHORTCUT FOR REPUBLICANS TO
00:07:43CARRY OUT THEIR GOAL OF SLASHING
00:07:45SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR
00:07:48RETIREES AND RAISING TAXES ON
00:07:51MIDDLE CLASS FOLKS. IN MY FEW, SUPPORTING THIS
00:07:54FLAWED IDEA WOULD BE A DERELICTION OF DUTY, SOMETHING
00:07:56THAT I WOULD NEVER BE PART OF.
00:07:59THIS IS THE WORK WE WERE SENT TO
00:08:02CONGRESS TO UNDERTAKE. QUAINT IDEA.
00:08:05WE DO THE WORK THAT WE'RE SENT TO CONGRESS TO DO.
00:08:08HANDING OFF THAT RESPONSIBILITY
00:08:10TO SOMEBODY ELSE, TO ME, IS JUST
00:08:14BUCK PASSING. SO IN THE WORDS OF BASKETBALL
00:08:17GREAT, ALLEN IVERSON, AND I QUOTE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE, NOT A GAME.
00:08:22WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE.
00:08:24INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT TALKING, THIS BODY SHOULD GET TO
00:08:27WORK ON FINDING A SOLUTION TO THE SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY
00:08:31CHALLENGE AND HAVING THAT DEBATE IN PUBLIC VIEW. DEMOCRATS ON THIS COMMITTEE HAVE
00:08:35PUT FORWARD THEIR IDEAS. THROUGH OUR PLAN, SOCIAL
00:08:39SECURITY CAN BE SECURED INDEFINITELY, INTO THE FUTURE,
00:08:43WITHOUT A SINGLE DIME OF CUTS TO A CURRENT OR FUTURE RETIREE.
00:08:47THAT MEANS NO RAISING THE RETIREMENT AGE, NO COST OF
00:08:51LIVING HAIRCUTS AND NO MEANS TESTING BENEFITS BUT IT DOES
00:08:55REQUIRE THAT BILLIONAIRES WHO HAVE SEEN THEIR WEALTH SKYROCKET
00:08:58TO OVER $9 TRILLION THIS YEAR
00:09:00WHILE WORKING PEOPLE SUFFER, THOSE BILLIONAIRES WOULD PAY
00:09:04THEIR FAIR SHARE. INSTEAD OF HAVING A PUBLIC DEBATE, THE COMMISSION THAT'S
00:09:08BEING DISCUSSED WOULD SMUGGLE IN
00:09:11BENEFIT CUT PLANS WITH MINIMAL PUBLIC SCRUTINY OR DEBATE.
00:09:15I REJECT THAT APPROACH. I'M GOING TO OPPOSE EFFORTS TO
00:09:19SET UP A PLAN LIKE THAT. I'VE GOT FAITH THAT EVERY MEMBER
00:09:21OF THIS COMMITTEE HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO ENGAGE IN AN
00:09:25IMPORTANT DEBATE HERE AND NOW,
00:09:28NOT A COMMISSION, BUT A DEBATE HERE AND NOW.
00:09:31BUT IT REQUIRES THE COURAGE TO STAND BEHIND YOUR IDEAS IN PULL
00:09:34PUBLIC VIEW AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE NO LESS.
00:09:37I THANK OUR WITNESSES FOR JOINING THE COMMITTEE AND I LOOK
00:09:41FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION.
00:09:43MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD ASK
00:09:46UNANIMOUS CONSENT TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD A STATEMENT FROM
00:09:49SENATOR GILLIBRAND AND ALSO
00:09:51CONSENT TO ENTER IN A STATEMENT
00:09:54FROM THE ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS. THAT'S A REQUEST FOR BOTH
00:09:58DOCUMENTS. >> WITHOUT OBJECTION. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> BEFORE I GO TO MEMBERS, I
00:10:02HAVE TO CORRECT SOMETHING SENATOR WYDEN.
00:10:06THIS HEARING IS NOT TO PUSH A
00:10:09SPECIFIC PROPOSAL. THIS HEARING IS TO TALK ABOUT ALL THE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
00:10:14THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A BROAD ARRAY OF WITNESSES AND WHY I'VE OFFERED EVERY MEMBER OF THIS
00:10:17COMMITTEE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR IDEAS IF THEY WANT TO.
00:10:21THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND
00:10:23HOPEFULLY ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS BUILD A SOLUTION.
00:10:26>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WON'T
00:10:28CONTINUE THIS AT LENGTH.
00:10:31WHAT I'VE INDICATED IS THAT I'M
00:10:33VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN EXACTLY
00:10:36THE KIND OF BIPARTISAN EFFORTS PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED ON THIS
00:10:39COMMITTEE KNOW THAT I PURSUE THIS.
00:10:41I DON'T THINK BUCK-PASSING,
00:10:43THOUGH, IS SERIOUS BIPARTISAN EFFORT. I THINK IT'S DUCKING AND THAT'S
00:10:47WHAT THE DEBATE TODAY ALSO
00:10:50INCLUDES.
00:10:59>> I WAS GOING TO GO TO SENATOR
00:11:02GRASSLEY BUT I BELIEVE HE
00:11:05STEPPED OUT.
00:11:08SO THEN NEXT ON MY LIST WOULD BE
00:11:15SENATOR CASSIDY UNLESS SENATOR
00:11:17CORNYN -- I BELIEVE YOU DID NOT WANT TO.
00:11:21SENATOR CASSIDY. >> LET US BE CLEAR, WE'RE
00:11:24TALKING TODAY ABOUT SETTING UP A PROCESS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A
00:11:27SPECIFIC SOLUTION -- A PROCESS
00:11:30THAT WOULD BE BIPARTISAN, IDEALLY INVOLVING THE HOUSE, TO
00:11:33LOOK AT SOLUTIONS.
00:11:34TO HAVE IT MISCHARACTERIZED AND
00:11:38MISREPRESENTED AS REPUBLICANS CUTTING THINGS IS FALSE.
00:11:41IT IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:11:44THIS COMMITTEE HEARING IS ABOUT
00:11:46SETTING UP A PROCESS TO LISTEN
00:11:49TO PROPOSALS ABOUT HITTING BILLIONAIRES AND MILLIONAIRES
00:11:52WITH LOTS OF MONEY OR OTHER PROPOSALS, HOWEVER IT IS, TO
00:11:55HAVE SOMETHING TO PRESENT TO US
00:11:57IN THIS COMMITTEE IN NORMAL
00:12:01ORDER TO EITHER REJECT OR ACCEPT. IT ISN'T ONE PROPOSAL.
00:12:05IT COULD BE TWO, IT COULD BE THREE.
00:12:07AND ANY MEMBER HERE COULD PUT UP
00:12:12A BILL, AN AMENDMENT IN THE
00:12:15NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE AND REPLACE IT ALL. THAT'S HAD A WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
00:12:19HERE. IF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AISLE THINKS THEY'VE GOT A GREAT IDEA,
00:12:23THEY SHOULD WANT THIS PROCESS.
00:12:26THEY SHOULD WANT THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE
00:12:29OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO THIS
00:12:32COMMITTEE AND TO THE SENATE,
00:12:34THEIR PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE.
00:12:37TO SAY THAT YOU DON'T WANT A
00:12:40PROCESS, HOWEVER YOU PUT ALL KINDS OF FANCY WORDS ABOUT IT
00:12:43AND RHETORIC ABOUT THAT SIDE AND
00:12:45THIS SIDE, IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT A PROCESS, IT MEANS YOU
00:12:49DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT ON, THAT YOU DECIDED IT'S MORE IMPORTANT
00:12:52TO BE A POLITICIAN AND TO HAVE
00:12:54AN ISSUE TO DIVIDE OUR COUNTRY
00:12:56THAN TO BE A SENATOR WHO'S LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.
00:13:00BY THE WAY, I HAVE AN IDEA.
00:13:03I'LL BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
00:13:06BIPARTISAN WITH MULTIPLE
00:13:09DEMOCRATS SUPPORTING THE IDEA. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN MY IDEA
00:13:11WILL BE THE ONE THAT'S ACCEPTED.
00:13:13WE TODAY ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT
00:13:16SETTING UP A PROCESS WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE THE
00:13:20OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT IN
00:13:22ORDER AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS WOULD BRING TO THIS COMMITTEE A
00:13:26PRODUCT TO BE CONSIDERED OR REJECTED AND REPLACED WITH
00:13:30ANOTHER PRODUCT.
00:13:32THAT IS REGULAR ORDER AND TO
00:13:35START SAYING IT'S PARTISAN AND WE'RE CUTTING BENEFITS, THAT IS
00:13:39NOT TRUE. WHY AM I SO PASSIONATE?
00:13:43GUESS WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S REALLY GOING TO CUT SENIORS?
00:13:46IF WE DON'T FIX IT AND THE THERE'S GOING TO BE BY LAW A 22%
00:13:50TO 28% CUT IN BENEFITS FOR EVERY
00:13:55SENIOR CURRENTLY RECEIVING
00:13:57SOCIAL SECURITY.
00:13:59OR WOULD INCREASE TAXES BY 40% OR WOULD THAT GUT THE ABILITY TO
00:14:04SAVE MONEY FOR RETIREMENT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, OR WE'LL
00:14:07JUST BORROW LOTS OF MONEY AND
00:14:10DESTROY OUR COUNTRY'S CREDIT RATING AND EVERY YEAR WE WAIT IT
00:14:14GETS WORSE.
00:14:16NOW I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY BERNIE
00:14:18SANDERS AND BY LINDSEY GRAHAM,
00:14:20BILL, I'M QUOTING LINDSEY NOW --
00:14:23YOU'RE A LOUSY POLITICIAN BUT YOU'RE A GOOD SENATOR.
00:14:27I TOOK THAT AS A COMPLIMENT. I CHALLENGE ALL OF US TO BE
00:14:31LOUSY POLITICIANS BUT TO BE GOOD
00:14:35SENATORS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE HARDER IT IS
00:14:38FOR OUR COUNTRY AND THE MORE THAT A SENIOR IS GOING TO SEE
00:14:41THEIR BENEFITS GO AWAY AND THE MORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MORE
00:14:45LIKELY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL SEE THEIR TAXES GO UP OR OUR
00:14:49COUNTRY WILL HAVE TO BORROW SO
00:14:51MUCH MONEY THAT WE WILL GO INTO
00:14:55OBLIVION. LET'S BE PATRIOTIC, LET'S BE GOOD SENATORS.
00:14:59LET'S BE HERE TO MAKE THE HARD DECISIONS.
00:15:01NOT ON A PARTICULAR SOLUTION
00:15:03BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY IS ONLY A PROCESS BILL.
00:15:07IT SETS UP NOT AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION WHICH IS ISOLATED FROM THE INFLUENCE OF THE
00:15:11VOTERS. IT SETS UP SOMETHING WHICH
00:15:13ULTIMATELY COMES TO THIS COMMITTEE. THIS COMMITTEE WITH EVERYBODY ON
00:15:17THIS COMMITTEE ANSWERABLE TO THE VOTERS AND EVERYBODY ON THIS
00:15:21COMMITTEE THEN HAVING TO TAKE A VOTE ON EITHER THAT WHICH IS
00:15:25PRODUCED OR AN AMENDMENT IN THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE, THAT
00:15:28WOULD GO TO THE FLOOR OF THE
00:15:30SENATE WHERE EVERY SENATOR WHO'S
00:15:33ANSWERABLE TO THE PEOPLE OF HIS OR HER STATE WOULD AGAIN HAVE A
00:15:37CHANCE TO WEIGH IN. THIS IS THE WAY THE PROCESS IS
00:15:40SUPPOSED TO WORK AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TODAY IS BASICALLY A TIME AGREEMENT.
00:15:44AND TIME AGREEMENTS ARE HOW THINGS ARE DONE AROUND HERE.
00:15:47I AM SO FRUSTRATED BY THIS KIND
00:15:52OF, LET'S BE POLITICAL, LET'S
00:15:55JUST ONE MORE TIME USE THIS AS A
00:15:57WEDGE ISSUE. NO, LET'S BE GOOD SENATORS.
00:16:01LET'S BE GOOD SENATORS. LET'S VOTE FOR A BILL THAT SETS
00:16:04UP A PROCESS IN WHICH ANYBODY'S PROPOSAL CAN BE CONSIDERED,
00:16:07HEARD AND VOTED ON AND CHOSEN.
00:16:11THIS IS NOT ABOUT A SOLUTION.
00:16:13THIS IS ABOUT A SOLUTION TO ARRIVE AT A SOLUTION.
00:16:17IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE UNITED STATES AND CARE ABOUT SENIORS,
00:16:21WE SHOULD BE VOTING FOR THIS BILL TODAY. >> THANK YOU, SENATOR CASSIDY.
00:16:25SENATOR WARNER?
00:16:26>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU FOR HOLDING THIS
00:16:30HEARING. GOOD TO SEE FOLKS LIKE MARK ON THE PANEL.
00:16:33YOU KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PASSION
00:16:36ON THIS ISSUE -- THAT YOU AND I
00:16:38WORKED ON, MR. CHAIRMAN.
00:16:41WE STARTED -- WE DIDN'T,
00:16:45OBVIOUSLY, GET IT DONE OR WE
00:16:47WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY DEBATING THIS ISSUE.
00:16:51I DO BELIEVE THE ONLY WAY WE'LL
00:16:53GET THIS SOLVED IS THROUGH A BIPARTISAN EFFORT.
00:16:56WE KNOW SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT COMMITMENT OUR
00:17:01COUNTRY MAKES TO SENIORS AND TO SURVIVING SPOUSES AND CHILDREN,
00:17:05PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
00:17:09IT SUPPORTS 70 MILLION
00:17:10AMERICANS, ENSURES ANOTHER 239
00:17:15MILLION WORKERS AGAINST THE RISK
00:17:16OF AGING, DISABILITY OR DEATH OF
00:17:19A SPOUSE OR PARENT. WE ALSO KNOW IT'S MATH.
00:17:23WE'RE GOING TO HIT THIS CLIFF IN
00:17:25THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2032 WHEN
00:17:28TIME AND TRUST FUND IS DEPLETED
00:17:30AND EVERY BENEFICIARY TAKES AN
00:17:33AUTOMATIC CUT OF 22%. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DO
00:17:36NOTHING. FOR VIRGINIANS IT MEANS NEARLY
00:17:401.5 MILLION VIRGINIANS WHO RECEIVE SOME FORM OF SOCIAL
00:17:43SECURITY BENEFITS WILL HAVE A
00:17:46DRAMATIC CUT IN THOSE BENEFITS.
00:17:49AND WHEN THE TRUST FUND RUNS
00:17:52DRY, THE AVERAGE VIRGINIA
00:17:54RETIREE STANDS TO LOSE MORE THAN
00:17:57$500 A MONTH, CLOSE TO $9
00:18:00BILLION IN THE STATE TAKEN OUT OF THE POCKETS OF VIRGINIA SENIORS.
00:18:03A TYPICAL COUPLE RETIRING IN
00:18:052033 WOULD LOSE NEARLY $17,000 A
00:18:09YEAR. THIS IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER
00:18:12AND THE THING THAT IS ALSO COMING ON TOP OF THIS IS, I KNOW
00:18:16THE CHAIRMAN AND RANKING MEMBER
00:18:19KNOWS, THE MEDICARE HOSPITAL
00:18:22INSURANCE FUND IS ABOUT TO GO INSOLVENT A FEW MONTH AFTER
00:18:26THAT, ANOTHER HIT OF 11%.
00:18:28FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN
00:18:31TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE GO WAY,
00:18:33WAY BACK IN TIME, IN 2010, WHEN
00:18:36WE WERE STARTING SOME OF THESE EFFORTS.
00:18:40SOCIAL SECURITY 75-YEAR
00:18:42SHORTFALL WAS $5.4 TRILLION IN
00:18:452010 DOLLARS.
00:18:46NOW IT'S $30 TRILLION AND EVERY
00:18:50YEAR THE MATH GETS UGLIER. WE CAN TALK ABOUT PROCESSES.
00:18:54THE ONE THING WE LOOKED AT AND I
00:18:56LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING -- I'VE LAID OUT IDEAS, TAKEN HITS
00:19:00FROM BOTH SIDES ON SOME OF THE IDEAS I HAD.
00:19:02ONE THING I HOPE AS WE ARE
00:19:05FORCED TO GRAPPLE WITH THIS,
00:19:08THAT WHATEVER SITUATION AROUND
00:19:11CAPS AND AGE AND BENEFITS, THAT
00:19:13WE ALSO SET IN PROCESS
00:19:18-- WHERE WE DON'T WAIT ANOTHER
00:19:2230 OR 40 YEARS TO TAKE IT UP AGAIN. ONE OF THE THINGS WE
00:19:43I'M OPEN TO ALL IDEAS. AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS TAKEN HITS
00:19:47ON LAYING OUT SOME CONTROVERSIAL IDEAS, WE WILL HAVE TO COME BACK
00:19:50AND ADDRESS THEM AGAIN.
00:19:54BUT I BELIEVE HAVING THESE KIND OF HEARINGS TO STOP AT THIS
00:19:57STAGE.
00:19:59WE KNOW IT IS COMING, WE CANNOT
00:20:03PRETEND LIKE WE DID NOT SEE IT COMING DIRECTLY.
00:20:08AND OBVIOUSLY, THOSE OF US WHO
00:20:10HAVE WRESTLED WITH VERSUS
00:20:14MEDICARE, WHICH IS A REAL CHALLENGE. THIS STARTS WITH PLAIN OLD MATT,
00:20:19AND WORKING ON THIS COULD GET IT
00:20:23RIGHT. MIGHT NOT EVEN NEED TO GO TO AN AI BASED SOLUTION.
00:20:29MIGHT BE SENATORS PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND SORT THIS OUT. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY.
00:20:36>> A, SENATOR WARNER. I FINALLY REMEMBER OUR WORK
00:20:40TOGETHER, AND I HOPE WE CAN DO
00:20:41ANOTHER SIMILAR ENDEAVOR THAT
00:20:44PUTS IT OVER THE GOAL LINE THIS TIME.
00:20:49SENATOR JOHNSON.
00:20:49>> MY 30 YEARS IN MANUFACTURING,
00:20:55SOLVES A LOT OF PROBLEMS. YOU REALIZE THERE IS A PROCESS TO SOLVING A PROBLEM.
00:20:58FIRST IS TO ADMIT YOU HAVE ONE, WHICH I THINK WE ALL ADMIT WE
00:21:01HAVE A PROBLEM. THE SECOND STEP IS EVEN MORE CRUCIAL.
00:21:07YOU HAVE TO PROPERLY FIND IT.
00:21:11THE LAST STEP IS THE SOLUTIONS.
00:21:17AROUND HERE WAS SEEMS TO HAVE IT, EVERYONE HAS THEIR PIECE OF
00:21:21LEGISLATION, THE SOLUTION, BUT THEY HAVE NOT DEFINED THE PROBLEM.
00:21:27SO LET ME THROW OUT THE PROBLEM
00:21:30WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IS THE FACTOR WE ARE $40 TRILLION IN
00:21:34DEBT, HEADING TO $60 TRILLION.
00:21:38WE NEED TO AGREE ON COMMON FACTS.
00:21:42ONE OF THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE TO
00:21:46GRAPPLE WITH IS BENEFITS ALREADY EXCEED REVENUE.
00:21:50AGAIN, WE ARE HONORING THOSE BENEFITS.
00:21:54WHEN THE TRUST FUND RUNS OUT, IT
00:21:57SHOULDN'T BE A CALAMITY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PLUS
00:22:01UP THOSE BENEFITS, AND WE WILL PROBABLY DO THAT.
00:22:05ONE FACTOR WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE
00:22:06IS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT BONDS HAS NO VALUE.
00:22:11THE TRUST FUNDS A FICTION.
00:22:17ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH IS SOCIAL SECURITY IS A
00:22:21LEGAL PONZI SCHEME. I GET CRITICIZE, BUT THAT IS WHAT THAT IS.
00:22:26WE EXTRACTED MONEY FROM
00:22:29TAXPAYERS, INVESTORS.
00:22:31WE SPENT THE MONEY, IT IS GONE,
00:22:35IT GOT PAID OUT TO EARLIER INVESTORS. NOTHING OF VALUE.
00:22:43I OFTEN HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS WHO GO THAT IS MY MONEY. IT IS, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
00:22:48BUT I WANT TO ENTER INTO THE
00:22:50RECORD TABLE ONE, RATIOS FOR
00:22:55HYPOTHETICAL WORKERS WITH VARIOUS EARNINGS LEVELS.
00:22:58IT SAYS THE SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENT RECEIVES WHAT THEY RECEIVED FOR EACH DOLLAR THEY
00:23:02PUT IN THE FUNDS.
00:23:03IT RANGES FROM GETTING BACK $.59
00:23:06ON THE DOLLAR, TO A HIGH OF
00:23:09GETTING A HIGH OF GETTING $4.78 ON THE DOLLAR.
00:23:14IT IS A FICTION.
00:23:18IT WASN'T SET UP AS AN INVESTMENT FUND. YOU WILL NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM
00:23:22IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO
00:23:24RECOGNIZE HOW GROSSLY MISMANAGED SOCIAL SECURITY WAS FOR DECADES.
00:23:31BY POLITICIANS. BY OUR PREDECESSORS.
00:23:35THEY SQUANDERED THE MONEY. THERE IS NOTHING OF VALUE THERE.
00:23:38EVEN WORSE THAN THAT, THEY HAVE
00:23:41RUN UP ENORMOUS DEFICITS, $40
00:23:43TRILLION IN DEBT, SO WE MAY NOT
00:23:47HAVE THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL TO CONTINUE TO TRUST UP BENEFITS.
00:23:51PERSONALLY, I AM AMAZED THE DEADLINE HAS NOT ALREADY GONE OFF.
00:23:55BECAUSE I GUESS WE ARE THE LEAST
00:24:00WORSE IN TERMS OF GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD.
00:24:04WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS LET'S AGREE ON COMMON FACTS.
00:24:11I HAD A BUDGET HEARING YESTERDAY, THE TITLE WAS MEDICAID'S REALITY.
00:24:17I KNOW MY DEMOCRATIC COLLEAGUES MUST HAVE GOT UNDER THEIR SKIN,
00:24:20BECAUSE IN THE END THEY SAID YOU WERE TURNING THIS INTO DEBATE SOCIETY.
00:24:24EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
00:24:28THEY DID NOT LIKE THE FACT WHEN THEY WOULD LIE AND SAY WE HAVE TO CUT, I HEARD THE EXACT SAME
00:24:33WORDS FROM THE RANKING MEMBER. WE ARE NOT, THAT IS A LIE.
00:24:39WE ARE NOT CUTTING AND SLASHING MEDICAID.
00:24:42WHICH I KEPT HAVING TO REPEAT,
00:24:462014, THE START OF MEDICAID EXPANSION, $300 BILLION.
00:24:512019 BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, 400 BILLION DOLLARS.
00:24:54LAST YEAR, $668 BILLION.
00:24:57I HAVE NOT SEEN A PROJECTION WHEN THE NUMBER DECREASES.
00:25:02IT IS A LIE. QUIT LYING.
00:25:06START TELLING THE TRUTH. ACKNOWLEDGE REALITY.
00:25:11I'M ALL FOR A PROCESS, BUT
00:25:13PLEASE LET'S HAVE THE PROCESS GO
00:25:16IN THE RIGHT ORDER. LET'S START TO FIND THE PROBLEM
00:25:20WITH FACTS. LET'S AGREE ON THE FACTS.
00:25:25STOP LYING ABOUT PEOPLE.
00:25:28STOP SAYING THAT WE WANT -- NO,
00:25:30WE WANT TO PRESERVE SOCIAL SECURITY. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS
00:25:34REDUCE THE DEFICITS SO WE DON'T RUN THE MASSIVE DEBT BOMB THAT
00:25:38WILL BLOW UP IN OUR FACE AND WE WILL NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO
00:25:40CROSS UP THE BENEFITS WHEN A
00:25:43FICTION OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND RUNS OUT.
00:25:47>> THANK. SENATOR WHITEHOUSE.
00:25:49>> THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT MEDICAID, BUT LET ME POINT OUT
00:25:53THERE IS IN FACT AROUND $1 TRILLION IN CUTS COMING TO
00:25:57MEDICAID. AND WE KNOW THAT IS A FACT
00:26:00BECAUSE FACT-BASED PEOPLE OUT IN
00:26:01THE REAL WORLD LIKE HOSPITALS
00:26:04AND NURSING HOMES AND DOCTORS PRACTICES ARE ALREADY PLANNING
00:26:07THEIR FINANCES FOR THE CRASH IN
00:26:12REVENUE THAT IS GOING TO COME FROM THE REPUBLICAN BUILT RED
00:26:14TAPE BOMB IN MEDICAID TO
00:26:20BASICALLY DRIVE PEOPLE OFF BECAUSE THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
00:26:23KEEP UP WITH THE RED TAPE REQUIREMENT. I CANNOT LET THAT GO.
00:26:28WITH RESPECT TO SOCIAL SECURITY,
00:26:31TRUST FUND IS GOING TO BE EXHAUSTED BUT YOU'RE EARLIER
00:26:35THAN PREDICTED. A LOT OF THAT IS THANKS TO THE BILLIONAIRES BILL THAT THE
00:26:39REPUBLICANS JAMMED THROUGH. IN 2032, JUST SIX YEARS FROM NOW.
00:26:45DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN PRETTY OUT THERE. WE HAVE BILLS.
00:26:49YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. KICK THE TIRES, TAKE YOUR POT SHOTS.
00:26:53WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT WILL MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENT AS
00:26:57FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE WITHOUT CUTTING BENEFITS.
00:27:01WHERE IS REPUBLICAN PROPOSAL? WHERE IS IT? IT DOESN'T EXIST.
00:27:06YOU WANT TO GO IN THE BACK ROOM AND GET WHEEL OR DEALS DONE THAT
00:27:09ALLOW FOR BENEFIT CUTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO OWN SO THEY DON'T PUT IT OUT THERE.
00:27:14THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD SEE IS
00:27:17IF REPUBLICANS WANT TO SOLVE SOCIAL SECURITY, PUT YOUR PLAN ON THE TABLE. WHY HIDE IT?
00:27:22PUT IT OUT THERE. WE HAVE DONE THAT.
00:27:26WHILE WE ARE AT IT ON SOCIAL SECURITY, NOT ONLY IS IT RUNNING
00:27:30OUT OF TRUST FUND, BUT WE'VE
00:27:36ALSO GOT SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION INTERNAL COLLAPSE
00:27:39THANKS TO ELON MUSK AND HIS WRETCHED LITTLE DOGGY BOYS GOING
00:27:43IN AND GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE FIRED FROM THEIR JOBS.
00:27:46WE'VE GOT REPORTING THAT THEY
00:27:49TOOK DATA, PLANNING TO TAKE
00:27:52SOCIAL SECURITY PRIVATE DATA, AND OFFER IT TO PRIVATE
00:27:56EMPLOYERS.
00:27:59THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH SOCIAL SECURITY. BUT THE BIG ONE IS HOW DO WE
00:28:02MAKE SURE BENEFITS DON'T GET CUT IN 2032? WE HAVE A PLAN.
00:28:06WE ARE NOT ASHAMED OF OUR PLAN. WE PUT IT OUT THERE.
00:28:10IT IS NOT COMPLICATED. YOU MAKE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING
00:28:14HUGE AMOUNT OF INCOME PAY SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES AS EVERYONE ELSE
00:28:17ALL THE WAY UP THE REST OF THEIR INCOME.
00:28:19AND IF THEY ARE DODGING THEIR INCOME BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY FANCY AND THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
00:28:23PARK IT THROUGH VARIOUS TYPES OF
00:28:27CORPORATE OBSCURING, GO HUNT
00:28:32THAT DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT A SOCIAL SECURITY ON THAT AS WELL.
00:28:37YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HIDE YOUR INCOME THROUGH A CORPORATE DEVICE AND DODGE SOCIAL SECURITY
00:28:41THAT WAY. YOU ARE STILL SPENDING IT, THAT
00:28:45IS THE WAY YOUR WORLD WORKS. WE CAN DO THAT.
00:28:49REMEMBER THE DAY WHEN BIDEN AT
00:28:52THE STATE OF THE UNION SAID NO
00:28:55BENEFIT CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY?
00:28:56AND THE WHOLE ROOM STOOD UP.
00:29:00UNANIMOUS, BIPARTISAN APPLAUSE.
00:29:04IF WE ARE STILL THERE, THE MATH IS REALLY SIMPLE.
00:29:07IF YOU DON'T CUT BENEFITS, YOU'VE GOT TO ADD REVENUE.
00:29:11WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO GO FOR REVENUE?
00:29:15WHY NOT TO THE HIGHEST INCOME PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PAYING INTO
00:29:19IT NOW BEYOND WHAT AN ORDINARY NURSE OR PLUMBER WOULD?
00:29:23THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHY WOULD YOU REWARD PEOPLE FOR
00:29:26DODGING THEIR INCOME THROUGH CORPORATE SCREAMS SO THAT THEY
00:29:28DON'T HAVE TO COUNT IT AS
00:29:32PAYROLL, THEY BRING IT IN OTHER WAYS.
00:29:36THIS SHOULD NOT BE HARD.
00:29:38AND THE FIRST STEP IS GOING TO
00:29:44BE OUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES, PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
00:29:48GIVE US A PLAN.
00:29:50IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE, LET'S HAVE A VOTE ON OURS AND YOU CAN
00:29:53VOTE IT DOWN AND ON THAT.
00:29:55BUT WE HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR,
00:29:58MULTIPLE DEMOCRAT SENATORS HAVE PUT OUT PLAN AFTER PLAN THAT WILL MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY
00:30:02SOLVENT, MIGHT MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE SOLVENT
00:30:06FOR 75 YEARS AS FAR AS THE EYE
00:30:09CAN SEE, ACCORDING TO BOTH SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE CMS ACTUARIES.
00:30:13WE CAN DO THIS. THEY ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.
00:30:17IT IS A QUESTION OF POLITICAL WILL. OF SOME PEOPLE NOT WANTING TO
00:30:21OWE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. THANK YOU.
00:30:26>> THANK YOU, SENATOR.
00:30:28BEFORE I GO TO THE WITNESSES, I HAVE TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION.
00:30:33THIS NOTION THAT REPUBLICANS HAVEN'T GOT ANY IDEA OR HAVE NOT PUT UP ANY PLANS IS FALSE.
00:30:39THE REALITY IS BEFORE YOU GOT
00:30:41HERE, SENATOR WHITEHOUSE, SENATOR WARNER AND I WERE
00:30:44TALKING ABOUT A PLAN THAT I HAVE
00:30:46PUT UP WITH HIM AND OTHERS BEFORE, AND WE HAVE DONE THIS
00:30:49OVER THE YEARS, AND THERE ARE THOSE SITTING HERE WHO HAVE PUT
00:30:53OUT PLANS. LET'S NOT MAKE THIS PARTISAN.
00:30:57LET'S GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON SOLUTIONS. THEN WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET TO
00:31:01SOMETHING WE CAN PUT OVER THE FINISH LINE AND PASS.
00:31:06>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M ALL FOR SOLUTIONS, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE
00:31:09TO BE SOLUTIONS, AND NOT
00:31:12COMMISSIONS, AND WORK PROJECTS THAT DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE A SOLUTION IN THEM.
00:31:17I THINK A LOT OF THAT STUFF IS ANOTHER WAY TO HIDE WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF CUTTING BENEFITS.
00:31:23>> MR. CHAIRMAN, THE GOOD NEWS IS SINCE WE ARE VOTING ONLY ON A
00:31:25BILL TODAY TO GIVE A PROCESS FOR
00:31:29SENATOR WHITEHOUSE'S BILL TO BE THE SOLUTION, I THINK HE WILL ENDORSE THIS.
00:31:33WE ARE NOT VOTING ON SOLUTIONS TODAY, WE ARE VOTING ON A
00:31:37PROCESS BY WHICH THE BILL --
00:31:41SINCE THE SENATOR OFFERED, OR A BILL LIKE I AND DICK DURBIN HAVE OFFERED, THAT IS A GOOD THING.
00:31:46I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL.
00:31:51>> THANK YOU, SENATOR CASSIDY.
00:31:54TO OUR WITNESSES, IT IS TIME FOR YOU.
00:31:58THERE IS A LOT OF EMOTION AND INTENSITY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.
00:32:03I THINK THAT IS A GOOD THING
00:32:04BECAUSE IT SHOWS THERE'S A LOT
00:32:08OF DESIRE TO GET THIS ISSUE ADDRESSED.
00:32:10WE MAY STILL HAVE OUR FIGHTS, BUT WE WANT TO GET THIS FIXED.
00:32:14THAT IS WHY I'M HOLDING THIS
00:32:17HEARING, AND WHY WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THE HEARING IS SUPPORT
00:32:20FROM YOU WITH IDEAS AND ANALYTICS AND ASSISTANCE TO HELP
00:32:24US FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN SHOULD BE.
00:32:31BEFORE I ASK YOU TO BEGIN, GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION OF EACH OF
00:32:35OUR WITNESSES.
00:32:37>> OUR FIRST WITNESS WILL BE MR.
00:32:40GOLDMINE, THE VICE PRESIDENT AND SENIOR POLICY DIRECTOR AT THE COMMITTEE FOR A RESPONSIBLE BUDGET.
00:32:44PRIOR TO JOINING THE COMMITTEE FOR A RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL
00:32:47BUDGET, HE SERVED AS ASSOCIATE
00:32:50DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL COMMISSION ON FISCAL
00:32:52RESPONSIBILITY AND REFORM KNOWN
00:32:55AS THE BALL SIMPSON COMMISSION, WHICH I REFERENCED AND SERVED
00:32:59ON. AND SENIOR BUDGET ANALYSTS ON THE JOINT SELECT COMMITTEE ON
00:33:02DEFICIT REDUCTION, ALSO KNOWN AS THE SUPERCOMMITTEE.
00:33:07DR. BLAIR HOUSE IS THE J FISH
00:33:11AND LILY SMITH CHAIR AND SENIOR
00:33:13RESEARCH STRATEGIST AT THE MAKEDA CENTER.
00:33:18HE SPECIALIZES IN DOMESTIC ECONOMIC POLICY AND RETIREMENT
00:33:22SECURITY WITH AN EMPHASIS ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
00:33:24AS WELL AS FEDERAL FISCAL POLICY, ENTITLEMENTS, AND HEALTH CARE PROGRAMS.
00:33:30HE'S THE AUTHOR OF SOCIAL SECURITY, THE UNFINISHED WORK.
00:33:34HE ALSO SERVES AS PUBLIC TRUSTEE
00:33:37FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE FROM 2010 TO 2015.
00:33:45MS. LAMONT'S EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF ADVOCACY AND ENGAGEMENT OFFICER AT AARP.
00:33:51WHERE SHE HAS DIRECTED SEVERAL
00:33:54NOTABLE ADVOCACY CAMPAIGNS FOR AARP AMONG OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS.
00:33:58SHE ALSO OVERSEES AARP'S PUBLIC OUTREACH AND EDUCATION
00:34:02INITIATIVES AS WELL AS STATE AND LOCAL ADVOCACY AND COMMUNITY
00:34:04ENGAGEMENT ACROSS ALL 50 STATES.
00:34:09THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, PUERTO RICO, AND THE U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS.
00:34:13MISS VALLAS SERVES AS CHIEF
00:34:15EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE ACADEMY OF SOCIAL INSURANCE.
00:34:20PREVIOUSLY A SENIOR FELLOW AT
00:34:22THE CENTURY FOUNDATION, WHERE SHE FOUNDED THE ORGANIZATION'S
00:34:26DISABILITY ECONOMIC JUSTICE WORK
00:34:27AND LAUNCHED A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN
00:34:31TO MODERNIZE SUPPLEMENTAL SECURITY INCOME.
00:34:34WE WILL BEGIN WITH MR. GOLDLINE'S OPENING STATEMENT
00:34:38FOLLOWED BY DR. BLAIR HOUSE,
00:34:40MISS LAMONT, AND MISS VALLAS.
00:34:44>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, RANKING MEMBER, MEMBERS OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
00:34:47THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME TO
00:34:49TESTIFY ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE BEDROCK
00:34:53OF AMERICA'S COURT SYSTEM PROVIDING VITAL BENEFITS TO 70 MILLION AMERICANS.
00:34:58SOCIAL SECURITY'S RETIREMENT TRUST FUND IS IN CRISIS.
00:35:02IN JUST SIX YEARS, THE RETIREMENT PROGRAM IS PROJECTED
00:35:05TO BE INSOLVENT. THAT IS NOT FAR OFF.
00:35:07IT IS WHEN TODAY'S YOUNGEST RETIREES TURN 68 AND THE NEXT
00:35:11CLASS OF SENATORS FINISH UP THEIR FIRST TERM. AT THAT POINT THE LAW CALLS FOR
00:35:15A 22 PERCENT BENEFIT CUT. THE EQUIVALENT OF $500 PER PERSON EACH MONTH.
00:35:21CONGRESS COULD CHANGE THE LAW USING GENERAL FUNDS TO COVER
00:35:24SOCIAL SECURITY'S FINANCING GAP, BUT IT WOULD ENTAIL BORROWING AN
00:35:28ADDITIONAL $190 TRILLION OVER THE NEXT 75 YEARS.
00:35:31THE EQUIVALENT OF 165% OF GDP ON
00:35:35TOP OF WHAT WE ALREADY OWE. THAT ADDITIONAL BORROWING WOULD
00:35:39STIFLE ECONOMIC AND INCOME GROWTH, BALLOON INTEREST RATES, AND LIKELY SEND THE COUNTRY INTO
00:35:43A DANGEROUS DEBT SPIRAL.
00:35:44PAYING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND WOULD END SOCIAL SECURITY AS WE
00:35:48KNOW IT AS A SELF FINANCED CONTRIBUTORY SOCIAL INSURANCE PROGRAM.
00:35:55FORTUNATELY, A NUMBER OF WELL-KNOWN SOLUTIONS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY WITHOUT SPARKING A
00:35:59FINANCIAL CRISIS. PROPOSALS TO ENACT PROGRESSIVE BENEFIT REFORMS, INCREASE
00:36:01PAYROLL TAX, OR ADJUST THE RETIREMENT AGE HAVE BEEN WELL
00:36:05VETTED AND SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF ANY SOLVENCY PACKAGE.
00:36:09MY ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN DEVELOPING NOVEL SOLUTIONS,
00:36:13INCLUDING IMPOSING A 100,000 ARE CAP ON THE AMOUNT OF BENEFITS A
00:36:16COUPLE CAN COLLECT, INCLUDING BROADENING THE EMPLOYER PAYROLL TAX BASE TO COVER ALL
00:36:20COMPENSATION, CAPPING FOR
00:36:24RECEIVERS, PERFORMING THE TAXATION OF BENEFITS, AND I COULD GO ON.
00:36:27THE CHALLENGE BEFORE WASHINGTON IS LESS ABOUT WHAT TO DO TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY, AND MORE ABOUT HOW.
00:36:33BASED ON MY RESEARCH AND PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I SUGGEST
00:36:36YOU TASK A COMMISSION, COUNCIL,
00:36:39OR ADVISORY BOARD TO FACILITATE AN AGREEMENT ON A SOLVENCY PACKAGE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
00:36:44THE APPROACH WOULD NOT BE NEW FOR SOCIAL SECURITY.
00:36:47ALL MAJOR LEGISLATION, ALL OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SOCIAL SECURITY LAWS EVER PASSED WERE
00:36:51DEVELOPED WITH THE HELP OF AN OUTSIDE COMMISSION OR A COUNCIL. THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT CAME
00:36:56FROM THE COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC
00:36:59SECURITY, MAJOR LEGISLATION IN
00:37:021939, 1950, 1956, 1972, 1977,
00:37:05CAME OUT OF THE WORK OF SOCIAL ADVISORY COUNCILS.
00:37:10AND THE LANDMARK 1983 REFORM,
00:37:13WHICH BROUGHT 50 YEARS OF SOLVENCY, WAS DEVELOPED AND
00:37:15NEGOTIATED IN PART THROUGH THE GREENSPAN COMMISSION.
00:37:19WHEN IT COMES TO SOCIAL SECURITY, THESE PROPHECIES ARE THE REGULAR ORDER.
00:37:24OF COURSE THEY DON'T REMOVE ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM THE IMPORTANT ROLES AND
00:37:28RESPONSIBILITIES IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
00:37:32THEY HELP FACILITATE BIPARTISAN AGREEMENTS BY SETTING FORTH A SPECIFIC MISSION AND
00:37:35ESTABLISHING A SAFE SPACE TO
00:37:37DEVELOPING OPTIONS, TRADE-OFFS, AND COMPROMISES.
00:37:41OVER THE YEARS, CONGRESS ESTABLISHED HUNDREDS OF COMMISSIONS, ADVISORY COUNCILS,
00:37:45AND OTHER GROUPS FOCUSED ON ALL SORTS OF TOPICS.
00:37:49MANY FAIL, BUT MANY SUCCEED, AND THEY TAKE DIFFERENT FORMS.
00:37:52IN THE CASE OF THE BRAT COMMISSION TO CONSOLIDATE
00:37:56MILITARY BASES, CONGRESS ENACTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN FULL.
00:37:59FOR THE GREENSPAN COMMISSION, THAT IS A VENUE FOR NEGOTIATIONS
00:38:02BETWEEN PRESIDENT REAGAN AND THE SPEAKER.
00:38:06THE 9/11 COMMISSION DEVELOPED
00:38:09RECOMMENDATIONS CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT IMPLEMENT IT A PIECEMEAL BASE ON THEIR OWN POLICY JUDGMENT.
00:38:14I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO SERVE ON TWO OF THESE COMMITTEES, INCLUDING WORKING WITH THE
00:38:18CHAIRMAN AND SENATOR DURBIN ON
00:38:21THE FISCAL COMMISSION IN 2010. IF OUR COMMISSION DEVELOPED A
00:38:24PLAN TO STEM THE GROWTH OF DEBT AND WE SERVE PERMANENT SOLVENCY
00:38:28TO SOCIAL SECURITY. 11 OUT OF 18 OF OUR MEMBERS
00:38:31SUPPORTED THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
00:38:34IT EVEN IN THIS BODY WOULD BE A FILIBUSTER PROOF SUPERMAJORITY.
00:38:38OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE NOT ENACTED IN FULL INTO LAW BUT
00:38:41SPARKED A NATIONAL CONVERSATION FOR FISCAL POLICY AND NEARLY
00:38:45CULMINATED IN -- THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.
00:38:49THE COMMISSION WAS ABLE TO REACH AGREEMENTS BECAUSE MEMBERS TOOK
00:38:53THE TIME TO BRING A COMMON SET OF FACTS AND BUILT A SHARE TRUST
00:38:57AND UNDERSTANDING. THE CHAIRMAN POINTED OUT BEFORE THE RELATIONSHIPS BUILT ON THAT
00:39:00COMMISSION WERE A VERY BIG PART OF ITS SUCCESS.
00:39:03OF COURSE, ALL SIDES HAD TO COMPROMISE, THEY DID SO IN THE
00:39:07SPIRIT OF SECURING FINANCES AND SAVING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
00:39:11I WANT TO CLOSE BY QUOTING THE LATE 70'S TOM COLE TOM COBURN,
00:39:15WHO VOTED -- SAID THIS BEFORE HE VOTED, WHICH HE DECLARED HE
00:39:19HATED HALF OF IT.
00:39:20ALL REPUBLICS FAIL, THEY FAIL OVER FISCAL ISSUES.
00:39:27THE WAY WE REACH HISTORY IS -- SO WE CREATE A FUTURE THAT IS
00:39:31HONORING THE TREMENDOUS SACRIFICE THAT CAME BEFORE US. THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS
00:39:35COMMITTEE FOR YOUR IMPORTANT WORK.
00:39:38>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, RANKING
00:39:41MEMBER WYDEN, ALL THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
00:39:45I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FOUR POINTS BASED ON MY WRITTEN STATEMENT.
00:39:49SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY MATTERS.
00:39:51THIS IS NOT JUST AN ABSTRACT ACCOUNTING EXERCISE.
00:39:54THERE'S A REASON SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS ARE SO RELIABLE AND
00:39:58AMERICANS DON'T REGARD THEM BECAUSE WELFARE.
00:40:00WHEN YOU GET A JOB THAT YOU PAY
00:40:03SOCIAL SECURITY PAYROLL TAXES, THESE DEDICATED TAXES ARE CREDITED TO SPECIAL TRUST FUNDS
00:40:07WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO FIND A SECURITY OBLIGATIONS.
00:40:11THE FUNDS CANNOT SPEND BEYOND THE REVENUES THEY COLLECT.
00:40:15YOUR BENEFIT IS A METH MEDICAL
00:40:17FUNCTION OF YOUR EARNINGS THAT WERE TAXED.
00:40:20ALL OF THIS ENABLES WORKERS TO SAY TO ELECTED OFFICIALS WE HAVE
00:40:22EARNED THESE BENEFITS, WE PAY FOR THESE BENEFITS, YOU CANNOT
00:40:26ARBITRARILY TAKE THEM AWAY. THERE IS A PRICE FOR THAT UNIQUE
00:40:30SECURITY AND POLITICAL STRENGTH. IT ONLY WORKS AS LONG AS
00:40:34LAWMAKERS ALIGN BENEFIT SCHEDULES WITH WHAT WORKER CONTRIBUTIONS CAN FINANCE.
00:40:38THIS IS SOMETIMES MEANT INCREASING TAX COLLECTIONS,
00:40:41MODERATING BENEFIT GROWTH, AND ADJUSTING ELIGIBILITY AGENTS. IF WE ARE NO LONGER WILLING TO
00:40:45DO SUCH THINGS, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM ANYMORE.
00:40:49WE CAN HAVE A SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM, BUT A VERY DIFFERENT ONE
00:40:53WITH BENEFIT LEVELS DISCONNECTED
00:40:56FROM INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS. WORKERS CAN NO LONGER ASSERT
00:40:58THEY PAID FOR THEIR BENEFITS.
00:41:01SOCIAL SECURITY'S BIPARTISAN ADVISORY COUNCILS REPEATEDLY WARNED DO NOT LET THAT HAPPEN.
00:41:07KEEP THE SYSTEM SELF FINANCING AND SOLVENT FOR SOCIAL SECURITY
00:41:10TO KEEP FUNDING EACH YEAR WITHIN THE GENERAL BUDGET, UNIQUE RELIABILITY OF ITS BENEFITS
00:41:14WOULD BE LOST.
00:41:18SPEED IS ESSENTIAL. JUST LIKE A PATIENT FACING A
00:41:21POTENTIALLY LETHAL CONDITION, THE LONGER TREATMENT IS DELAYED,
00:41:24THE WEAKER THE PROSPECTS FOR SUCCESS. THE CURRENT SITUATION DIFFERS
00:41:27DRAMATICALLY FROM THE ONE SUCCESSFULLY CONFRONTED IN 1983.
00:41:31THIS TIME THERE IS NOT THE LUXURY OF WAITING UNTIL THE TRUST FUNDS ARE NEARLY DEPLETED.
00:41:38THE 2016 TRUSTEES REPORT FOUND THE SHORTFALL EQUALED 19% OF FUTURE BENEFIT CLAIMS.
00:41:4410 YEARS LATER, THIS YEAR'S REPORT FOUND IT EQUALS 30% OF FUTURE BENEFIT CLAIMS.
00:41:48BY THE TIME THE TRUST FUND FACES
00:41:51DEPLETION, IT IS CLEARLY TOO LATE. AT THAT POINT, EVEN IF NEW
00:41:55CLAIMS WERE COMPLETELY CUT OFF, THE TRUST FUND COULD STILL RUN OUT.
00:41:59WE ARE RAPIDLY PASSING THE POINT OF NO RETURN.
00:42:02PAST WHICH IT BECOMES IMPLAUSIBLE SOCIAL SECURITY'S HISTORIC DESIGN CAN BE RETAINED.
00:42:07THIRD, WHETHER A SOLUTION HOLDS DEPENDS ON THE ANALYSIS DONE WHILE DEVELOPING IT.
00:42:11THE 1983 REFORMS WERE A MAJOR ACHIEVEMENT BUT BEGAN UNRAVELING ALMOST IMMEDIATELY.
00:42:16THE 1985 REPORT SHOWED A
00:42:20SIGNIFICANT SHORTFALL, WHICH MORE THAN QUINTUPLED AND BECAME BIGGER THAN THE ONES JUST
00:42:23ADDRESSED ALL WITHIN A DECADE.
00:42:26THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE GREENSPAN COMMISSION RELIED ON ESTIMATES OF HOW MUCH EACH
00:42:29PROVISION WOULD APPROVE THINGS ON AVERAGE OVER 75 YEARS, RATHER
00:42:33THAN HOW EACH PROVISION WOULD AFFECT ANNUAL OPERATIONS IN DIFFERENT YEARS.
00:42:59, THE LAST THING YOU WANT IS TO HAVE A REPORT SEE THE PROBLEM IS BACK.
00:43:03TO PREVENT THAT, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOUR PLAN PASSES BOTH TESTS.
00:43:07WHILE MY TESTIMONY OUTLINES WHY
00:43:09THEY TAKE A 75 YEAR VIEW, A 50
00:43:12YEAR VIEW CAN WORK PROVIDED BOTH OF THESE TESTS ARE PASSED.
00:43:16FOURTH, THE PROCESS AND PRODUCT NEED TO BE BIPARTISAN.
00:43:19SINCE THE SHORTFALL REEMERGED, THERE HAVE BEEN 15 DIFFERENT YEARS WHEN ONE PARTY OR THE
00:43:23OTHER HAS CONTROLLED THE LEGISLATIVE AND EXECUTIVE BRANCHES.
00:43:27IF EITHER PARTY COULD DO THIS WITHOUT THE OTHER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY NOW.
00:43:32THE 1983 EXPERIENCE INSTRUCTED
00:43:34HOW KEY LAWMAKERS CAN BE BROUGHT INTO A BIPARTISAN NEGOTIATION.
00:43:37THE MOST INFLUENTIAL SENATORS
00:43:38WERE ON THE 83 COMMISSION, HOUSE
00:43:42LEADERSHIP EFFECTIVELY REPRESENTED, AND THE WHITE HOUSE PARTICIPATED IN NEGOTIATIONS.
00:43:46THE COMMISSION CONTAINED ENOUGH OUTSIDE EXPERTS TO PROVIDE NEW COVER.
00:43:51REASONS WE NEED BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE ARE NOT JUST POLITICAL. THEY ARE MATHEMATICAL.
00:43:55THERE WAS ONCE A TIME WHEN THE
00:43:57SHORTFALL WAS THE SIZE HE COULD REALISTICALLY BE FIXED WITH
00:44:00SOCIAL REVENUES, SLOWING BENEFIT GROWTH, OR THE ELIGIBILITY AGENTS.
00:44:05THAT TIME HAS LONG PASSED. MAYBE THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL
00:44:09NUMBERS OF CONGRESS WILLING TO INCREASE AMERICAN PAYROLL TAX BURDENS BY THE NECESSARY ONE
00:44:13THIRD, OR TO CUT FUTURE BENEFIT
00:44:14CLAIMS BY 50% ACROSS THE BOARD.
00:44:18UNTIL CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP CAN DELIVER THE VOTES TO ENACT
00:44:20ONE EXTREME OR ANOTHER, WE SHOULD ASSUME A COMBINATION OF
00:44:24LESS EXTREME MEASURES WILL BE NECESSARY. I WILL CLOSE BY COMMENDING THE
00:44:27COMMITTEE FOR HOLDING THE HEARING AND EXPLORING WAYS FORWARD.
00:44:29THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL BE WELL
00:44:32SERVED IF THE LEADERSHIP RESULTS IN A SIGNIFICANT EXTENSION OF SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY. THANK YOU.
00:44:37>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
00:44:41>> CHAIRMAN, RANKING MEMBER WYDEN, AND MEMBERS OF THE
00:44:44COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY TODAY. IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.
00:44:49I WANT TO BEGIN BY APPLAUDING THIS COMMITTEE FOR COMING
00:44:53TOGETHER ACROSS PARTY LINES TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY'S FUTURE.
00:44:58AARP PROBABLY REPRESENTS REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, AND
00:45:02INDEPENDENCE, ALL OF WHOM SEE
00:45:04STORY AFTER STORY ABOUT PARSON
00:45:08DIVISION. WE KNOW THIS WORK IS HARD, AND
00:45:10ALREADY IN CONGRESS, AARP HAS ENDORSED MORE THAN 130
00:45:14BIPARTISAN BILLS TO SUPPORT
00:45:15FAMILY CAREGIVERS, TO LOWER
00:45:18PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES, TO CRACK DOWN ON FRAUD, STRENGTHEN
00:45:22SOCIAL SECURITY AND CUSTOMER SERVICE.
00:45:24FOR NEARLY 91 YEARS, SOCIAL
00:45:27SECURITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST ENDURING PROMISES IN
00:45:31AMERICAN HISTORY. WORK HARD, CONTRIBUTE THROUGHOUT
00:45:34YOUR CAREER, AND RETIRE WITH THE FOUNDATION OF FINANCIAL
00:45:38SECURITY.
00:45:41TODAY, THAT PROMISE SUPPORTS 71 MILLION AMERICANS WITH NEARLY
00:45:44185 MILLION WORKERS PAYING WITH EVERY PAYCHECK.
00:45:51OUR MESSAGE TODAY IS SIMPLE. TO PROTECT AND STRENGTHEN SOCIAL
00:45:54SECURITY WITHOUT CUTTING THE BENEFITS AMERICANS HAVE EARNED
00:45:58THROUGH A LIFETIME OF WORK, AND DO THIS IN CONGRESS THROUGH
00:46:02REGULAR ORDER IN FULL VIEW OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:46:07IT IS FAR IMPORTANT TO BE
00:46:11RUSHED, OUTSOURCED, OR DECIDED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
00:46:13AT AARP, WE HEAR EVERY DAY WHAT
00:46:17SOCIAL SECURITY MEANS TO OUR MEMBERS.
00:46:20MEMBERS LIKE LEE FROM OREGON,
00:46:21WHO WORKED HIS ENTIRE LIFE, THEN
00:46:25CAME HIS WIFE'S MEDICAL CRISIS. HE TOLD US WERE IT NOT FOR
00:46:28SOCIAL SECURITY, HE WOULD BE
00:46:33HOMELESS. LEE IS NOT ALONE, YOU CAN HEAR
00:46:37FROM WAYS BACK HOME ALL THE TIME.
00:46:3943% OF OLDER HOUSEHOLDS RELY ON SOCIAL SECURITY FOR MORE THAN
00:46:43HALF OF THEIR INCOME AT A TIME
00:46:46WHEN 37% OF OLDER ADULTS SAY THEY FEEL FINANCIALLY INSECURE.
00:46:51WOMEN IN PARTICULAR RELY MORE ON
00:46:55SOCIAL SECURITY BECAUSE THEY OFTEN SPENT FEWER YEARS IN THE
00:46:58WORKFORCE, EARNED LOWER LIFETIME WAGES, AND LIVE LONGER.
00:47:02PUT SIMPLY, WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY IS SECURE, MILLIONS OF FAMILIES
00:47:05ARE MORE SECURE, AND SO IS OUR
00:47:09ECONOMY. SOCIAL SECURITY SUPPORTS $2.6
00:47:12TRILLION IN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY EVERY YEAR.
00:47:16MANY FORGET THE BENEFIT REDUCTIONS ENACTED IN 1983 ARE
00:47:20STILL BEING PHASED IN TODAY.
00:47:22TO PUT THOSE REDUCTIONS IN CONTEXT, FOR SOMEONE RETIRING
00:47:26TODAY, THOSE CHANGES HAVE ALREADY REDUCED THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY BY AN AVERAGE OF NEARLY 19%.
00:47:33ALL THE WHILE, FUTURE
00:47:35GENERATIONS ARE LIKELY TO RELY ON SOCIAL SECURITY EVEN MORE.
00:47:41PRIVATE PENSIONS HAVE MOSTLY VANISHED.
00:47:43AROUND HALF OF OUR WORKFORCE HAS
00:47:45NO EMPLOYER SPONSORED RETIREMENT PLAN.
00:47:4842% OF AMERICANS AGE 50 PLUS WHO
00:47:51ARE YET RETIRED HAVE LESS THAN
00:47:55$50,000 IN RETIREMENT SAVINGS. ALL OF THIS MEANS SOCIAL
00:47:59SECURITY WILL REMAIN ESSENTIAL FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
00:48:03THAT IS WHY 81% OF OLDER
00:48:04AMERICANS ACROSS PARTY LINES
00:48:08REJECT CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO SAVE IT.
00:48:12OUR MESSAGE IS STRAIGHTFORWARD, DO NOT CUT SOCIAL SECURITY THE PEOPLE HAVE EARNED.
00:48:17AND TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS WORK TO DO.
00:48:20THE QUESTION FOR US IS NOT WHETHER TO ACT, IT IS HOW
00:48:24CONGRESS ACTS. THE HISTORY OF SPECIAL COMMISSIONS IS LITTERED WITH
00:48:29VERY GOOD INTENTIONS AND FAILED RESULTS THAT TYPICALLY LACKED
00:48:33THE CLOUT, POWER, AND JURISDICTION TO DO THIS HARD WORK.
00:48:38SOCIAL SECURITY'S FUTURE BELONGS
00:48:40AT THIS TABLE BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE.
00:48:44THIS COMMITTEE HAS JURISDICTION, THE CLOUD, AND A 90 YEAR HISTORY
00:48:47OF SOLVING HARD SOCIAL SECURITY PROBLEMS.
00:48:50HEARINGS LIKE THIS ONE ARE EXACTLY WHAT WILL LEAD US FROM DISCUSSION TO ACTION.
00:48:56WE ARE CONFIDENT CONGRESS CAN GET THE JOB DONE THROUGH REGULAR ORDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE IT BEFORE.
00:49:02AARP DOES NOT OPPOSE ACTION. WE WANT CONGRESS TO ACT SOONER
00:49:05RATHER THAN LATER, AND WE BRING
00:49:09WITH US THE VOICE OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO WANT
00:49:12THIS PROMISE KEPT WITHOUT CUTS.
00:49:14WE WANT TO PARTNER WITH YOU IN LIFTING THESE VOICES UP.
00:49:17MANY OF YOU HAVE JOINED US FOR TOWN HALLS OR EVENTS.
00:49:21I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO MORE WITH YOU AND BRING THIS
00:49:23IMPORTANT DIALOGUE TO MORE
00:49:27AMERICANS IN YOUR STATES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
00:49:30THE COMMITTEE THROUGH REGULAR ORDER TO GET THIS DONE.
00:49:33THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATED WORKING WITH YOU
00:49:37IN THE PAST AND WILL CONTINUE TO APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS.
00:49:43>> CHAIRMAN CRAPO, RANKING MEMBER WYDEN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TESTIFY.
00:49:49I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING
00:49:53AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SOCIAL INSURANCE.
00:49:56THIS YEAR AS OUR NATION CELEBRATES 200 50 YEARS OF
00:49:59AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, WE ARE CELEBRATING THE SIMPLE BUT
00:50:02PROFOUND IDEA THAT LIES AT ITS HEART.
00:50:07THE GOVERNMENT EXISTS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE, AND THOSE ENTRUSTED
00:50:11WITH PUBLIC OFFICE ARE STEWARDS OF INSTITUTIONS THAT BELONG NOT
00:50:15TO ANY ONE POLITICAL PARTY, BUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS A WHOLE.
00:50:20FEW INSTITUTIONS BETTER IN BODY THAT IDEA THAN SOCIAL SECURITY.
00:50:2491 YEARS AGO THIS MONTH, WHEN
00:50:28PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT SIGNED THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT INTO LAW, HE
00:50:32CALLED IT A CORNERSTONE IN A STRUCTURE WHICH BY NO MEANS IS COMPLETE.
00:50:36I'VE ALWAYS LOVED THOSE WORDS OF FDR BECAUSE THEY REMIND US
00:50:39SOCIAL SECURITY HAS NEVER BEEN A FINISHED PROJECT.
00:50:42IT IS A LIVING EXPRESSION OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND HOW WE SHOW UP FOR ONE ANOTHER WHEN IT MATTERS
00:50:46MOST.
00:50:48I BELIEVE THAT IS EXACTLY THE RESPONSIBILITY THIS COMMITTEE
00:50:51TODAY HAS AND IN THE CHAPTER AHEAD NEEDS TO WORK ON TOGETHER.
00:50:57I WILL OFFER THREE BRIEF POINTS.
00:51:00FIRST, SOCIAL SECURITY IS THE CORNERSTONE OF ECONOMIC SECURITY IN AMERICA.
00:51:04AS YOU HEARD FROM EVERYONE WHO HAS SPOKEN.
00:51:09WHILE SOCIAL SECURITY IS APPROPRIATELY CELEBRATED FOR
00:51:11REDUCING POVERTY, THE ACADEMY RESEARCH FINDS IT IS
00:51:14FOUNDATIONAL TO RETIREMENT AND
00:51:15DISABILITY SECURITY ALL THE WAY
00:51:19ACROSS THE INCOME SPECTRUM.
00:51:21VIRTUALLY EVERY AMERICAN SAYS SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE
00:51:24IMPORTANT OR VERY IMPORTANT TO
00:51:25THEIR RETIREMENT INCOME, A 4% OF
00:51:29AMERICANS SAY IT WILL BE NOT AT ALL IMPORTANT TO THEM IN
00:51:33RETIREMENT. LIKEWISE, 2% SAY IT WOULD NOT BE
00:51:35AT ALL IMPORTANT IF THEY EXPERIENCED WORK LIMITING DISABILITY.
00:51:39AT A TIME OF GREAT DIVISION ON
00:51:42SO MANY ISSUES, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE REMARKABLY UNITED
00:51:46AROUND WHAT THEY WANT FOR SOCIAL SECURITY'S FUTURE.
00:51:51THE ACADEMY NATIONAL SURVEY RESEARCH WE CONDUCTED WITH AARP
00:51:54AND OTHERS, FINDS MORE THAN
00:51:56THREE IN FOUR REPUBLICANS, MORE
00:51:59THAN NINE IN 10 DEMOCRATS, MORE THAN EIGHT IN 10 INDEPENDENTS
00:52:03WANT LAWMAKERS TO STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY REVENUE BASE TO
00:52:07PROTECT ITS CRITICAL BENEFITS.
00:52:09AMERICANS ACROSS PARTY LINES,
00:52:13INCOME, EDUCATION, AND GENERATIONS SUPPORTS STARTING BY
00:52:16REFORMING THE PAYROLL TAX CAP FOR HIGHER EARNERS AND ARE
00:52:20INTERESTED IN LOOKING TO OTHER SOURCES OF WEALTH AND INCOME
00:52:23THAT HAVE INCREASINGLY ESCAPED SOCIAL SECURITY'S FINANCING
00:52:27STRUCTURE AS THE ECONOMY HAS SHIFTED.
00:52:31AMERICANS DON'T SEE SOLVENCY AND
00:52:33BENEFIT ADEQUACY AS COMPETING GOALS.
00:52:3682% PREFER A PACKAGE THAT BOTH
00:52:39CLOSES THE LONG TERM FINANCING
00:52:41GAP AND AS MY TESTIMONY NOTES,
00:52:44MAKES TARGETED IMPROVEMENTS THAT BETTER REFLECT THE REALITIES OF MODERN LIFE.
00:52:48MY THIRD AND FINAL POINT IS THIS.
00:52:51SOCIAL SECURITY BELONGS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:52:56THAT MEANS THE PROCESS THIS COMMITTEE ADOPTS TO ADDRESS
00:52:59SOCIAL SECURITY'S FINANCES IS
00:53:01JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE POLICY
00:53:04CHOICES THEMSELVES. COMMISSIONS AND EXPEDITED LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURES ARE NOT
00:53:08INHERENTLY GOOD OR BAD, BUT AIR ANY PROCESS TO SHAPE THE FUTURE
00:53:11OF A PROGRAM AS IMPORTANT AS
00:53:14SOCIAL SECURITY SHOULD STRENGTHEN, NOT WEAKEN THE
00:53:17CONNECTION BETWEEN CONGRESS AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE IT SERVES.
00:53:21A PROCESS THAT LIMITS PUBLIC
00:53:23DEBATE OR MAKES IT EASIER FOR
00:53:27ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THE OUTCOME RISKS DOING THE OPPOSITE.
00:53:31ON MANY ISSUES, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE IS DIFFICULT BECAUSE
00:53:34THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES ARE DEEPLY DIVIDED.
00:53:38BUT SOCIAL SECURITY IS DIFFERENT. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE REMARKABLY UNITED ABOUT WHAT
00:53:41THEY WANT FOR THE PROGRAM'S FUTURE.
00:53:45STRENGTHEN ITS REVENUE BASE TO PROTECT BENEFITS, AND EXPAND
00:53:48PROTECTIONS FOR GROUPS BEING LEFT BEHIND.
00:53:51IN OTHER WORDS, ON THIS ISSUE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY
00:53:54ANSWERED MANY OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS.
00:53:58CONGRESS PASSED TASK IS NOT TO FIND WAYS AROUND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IT IS TO LISTEN TO THEM.
00:54:03SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT JUST A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM, AND NOT
00:54:07SIMPLY A MATH PROBLEM TO SOLVE. IT IS PART OF THE FABRIC OF
00:54:10AMERICAN LIFE, RELIED UPON TODAY
00:54:13AND COUNTED ON TOMORROW BY
00:54:15AMERICANS ACROSS INCOME LEVELS,
00:54:17PARTY AFFILIATIONS, AND
00:54:20GENERATIONS. AS WE CELEBRATE 250 YEARS OF
00:54:23AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THERE ARE FEW RESPONSIBILITIES OF GREATER CONSEQUENCE THAN STEWARDING A
00:54:28PROGRAM THAT BELONGS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:54:32AND THE ACADEMY STANDS READY TO SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE AS IT
00:54:36UNDERTAKES THIS IMPORTANT BIPARTISAN WORK. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME AS PART
00:54:40OF THIS CRITICAL CONVERSATION. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY
00:54:43AND TO OUR COMMITTEE.
00:54:45I WILL START OUT WITH MR. GOLD WINE.
00:54:49I MAY NOT GET PAST THEM. BUT I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO THIS
00:54:52QUESTION IF WE DON'T GET TO YOU DURING MY BRIEF FIVE MINUTES.
00:54:55I WOULD LIKE YOU TO RESPOND TO IT IF I DON'T GET TO YOU.
00:54:59IT GETS TO THE CORE ISSUES DISCUSSED BETWEEN MY COLLEAGUES,
00:55:05AND IT WAS DISCUSSED BY EACH OF YOU.
00:55:08IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY ME THAT
00:55:10I WAS PART OF THE BOLD SIMPSON COMMISSION.
00:55:17SENATOR WARNER ALSO REFERENCED THAT I WAS PART OF THE GANG OF SIX.
00:55:22THE BOLD SIMPSON COMMISSION WAS
00:55:23A COMMISSION APPOINTED BY
00:55:28PRESIDENT OBAMA. THE GANG OF SIX WAS A GROUP OF SIX SENATORS WHO GOT TOGETHER
00:55:31AND SAID WE ARE GOING TO TRY AND HELP THE COMMISSION GET OVER THE
00:55:35LINE.
00:55:39BUT THERE HAS BEEN SOME VERY
00:55:41DIFFICULT ISSUES RAISED HERE TODAY.
00:55:45THAT IS WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THE COMMISSION? IS IT THE DIRECTION TO GO?
00:55:50THERE ARE THOSE ON OUR PANEL WHO
00:55:52SAID NO, THIS IS CONGRESS'S RESPONSIBILITY.
00:55:56I FIND MYSELF THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE.
00:56:01I'M A FORMER MEMBER OF THE
00:56:04COMMISSION, BUT NOW THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE THAT DEALS WITH
00:56:08IT AND HAS THE JURISDICTION TO DEAL WITH IT.
00:56:12I WOULD SAY WHEN WE WERE TRYING
00:56:14TO GET THE COMMISSION PASSED, A
00:56:17LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE FLOOR AFTER WE HAD OUR VOTE AND
00:56:21PUT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A FABULOUS PRODUCT, A LOT OF MY COLLEAGUES SAID THAT IS GREAT
00:56:25BUT I WASN'T PART OF IT.
00:56:28IT WAS NOT DONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WE DO TO MAKE LAW IN THE U.S.
00:56:32ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES WE RAN
00:56:36INTO WAS GETTING BY INNS BECAUSE OF THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY DID
00:56:39NOT HAVE A PART IN THE PROCESS
00:56:42AND WHO THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS.
00:56:47SO THERE WERE SOME COMPETING PRESSURES HERE.
00:56:50I SEE IT FROM BOTH SIDES.
00:56:55THE QUESTION I HAVE IS I UNDERSTAND THE NOTION THAT THIS
00:56:57COMMITTEE AND THE APPROPRIATE
00:57:00COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE AND CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT ARE
00:57:04THE ONES WHO SHOULD MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
00:57:09THIS COMMITTEE IS THE PLACE WHERE THESE DECISIONS SHOULD BE CRAFTED.
00:57:12ON THE OTHER HAND, IF PAST
00:57:18POLICY -- PARTISAN POLITICS HAVE STOPPED THIS, THE IDEA IS TO GET
00:57:20A COMMISSION TO DO THE JOB.
00:57:23IT SEEMS TO BE THERE IS SOME MERIT TO THAT NOTION THAT WE
00:57:26WON'T DO OUR WORK, THEN LET'S
00:57:30GET SOME ADVISORS OUT THERE TO PUT PUBLIC PRESSURE ON US WITH IDEAS.
00:57:36SO I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS
00:57:39HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS
00:57:41COMPETITION OF CONCERNS?
00:57:44IS A COMMISSION SIMPLY A BAD IDEA, OR IS THE WAY A COMMISSION
00:57:49OPERATES -- DOES IT NEED TO BE
00:57:51HANDLED IN A WAY THAT FULLY RECOGNIZES AND INVOLVES THE
00:57:55CONGRESS IN THE OUTCOME OF ITS PROCEEDINGS.
00:57:59>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
00:58:05>> TO AVOID PEOPLE SAYING IT IS THE BS COMMISSION.
00:58:09VERY IMPORTANT TO AL SIMPSON. >> I WILL TRY TO SAY THAT.
00:58:13>> OF COURSE THIS IS CONGRESS'S JOB.
00:58:16THE COMMITTEE'S JOB.
00:58:18WITH ADVISORY BOARD IS THEY HELP CONGRESS.
00:58:22IT IS WHAT THEY HAVE ALWAYS DONE THROUGH MAJOR PIECES OF SOCIAL SECURITY LEGISLATION.
00:58:26THE COMMISSIONS CREATE A SINGLE
00:58:32MISSION. THE COMMITTEE IS DEALING WITH ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
00:58:35THEY SAY THIS IS OUR MISSION, TO STOP SOCIAL SECURITY SOLVENCY,
00:58:39TO GET THE DEFICIT TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF GDP, THEY CREATED
00:58:43A MISSION, A SPACE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT MISSION, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
00:58:46TRUST BUILDING. I THINK THEY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC.
00:58:51THEY DID MORE TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON FISCAL POLICY THAN ALL
00:58:54OF THE COMMITTEE HEARINGS DONE BY THE FINANCE COMMITTEE OVER
00:58:57THE PREVIOUS 10 YEARS COMBINED. I THINK THESE COMMISSIONS ARE
00:59:01REALLY IMPORTANT NOT AS A REPLACEMENT OF THE COMMITTEE WORK, BUT TO HELP TO SUPPORT IT.
00:59:06>> THANK YOU, I'VE ONLY GOT 35 SECONDS LEFT, I'M NOT GOING TO
00:59:10ASK THE REST OF YOU TO RESPOND
00:59:13IN THIS MEETING, BUT I WOULD ASK
00:59:15YOU TO RESPOND TO ME ON THIS. YOU WILL GET SOME QUESTIONS FOR
00:59:19THE RECORD FROM OTHER SENATORS.
00:59:22TAKE THIS AS MIND FOR YOU, HOW WE ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
00:59:26IN THE END, THE REASON SIMPSON BOWLES DID NOT GET OVER THE
00:59:30FINISH LINE WAS THIS ISSUE.
00:59:32WHETHER IT WAS DONE IN A WAY
00:59:36THAT GOT THE BUY-IN FROM THE
00:59:38REST OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN CONGRESS.
00:59:43>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
00:59:46I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PANEL ACROSS THE BOARD.
00:59:51IT SEEMS TO ME WHAT YOU ARE
00:59:54SAYING SAFEGUARDING SOCIAL SECURITY FOR THE NEXT GENERATION
00:59:57IS NOT JUST DOLLARS AND CENTS,
00:59:58IT IS ABOUT ENSURING WITH
01:00:02DIGNITY.
01:00:07>> ABSOLUTELY. I MENTIONED LEE FROM OREGON.
01:00:10ALL OF YOU WHEN YOU MEET WITH CONSTITUENTS BACK HOME, SIMILAR
01:00:14STORIES. LEE WAS SOMEBODY WHO HAD GOOD
01:00:19SAVINGS, HIS WIFE ENDED UP WITH
01:00:22A VERY SERIOUS ILLNESS AND WAS IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE
01:00:26LIVING ON THE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFIT.
01:00:28THE AVERAGE BENEFIT IS ABOUT $2000 A MONTH, MAY BE A MAXIMUM
01:00:34OF $4000. WE HEAR THIS ALL THE TIME.
01:00:37WE HEAR IT INCREASINGLY AS WE
01:00:39ENJOY THE MIRACLE OF LONGEVITY.
01:00:42AT THE SAME TIME, AS PEOPLE LIVE LONGER, THEY LIVE WITH CHRONIC
01:00:46DISEASES. WE ARE FINDING CAREGIVING IS TAKING MORE AND MORE TIME AND
01:00:50ATTENTION. THAT WAS THE EXPERIENCE LEE HAD.
01:00:54WE KNOW AS WE TALK TO OUR MEMBERS THAT THEY ARE STRUGGLING
01:00:57RIGHT NOW.
01:01:01AND REALLY LOOKING TO ALL OF US
01:01:04TO COME TO A SOLUTION, TO FIND A
01:01:06WAY TO PRESERVE SOCIAL SECURITY
01:01:09SO THEY CAN COUNT ON IT. IT IS THE BEDROCK RETIREMENT
01:01:13SECURITY IN THE U.S. >> LET ME TURN TO YOU.
01:01:18IF I MIGHT TALK ABOUT THE WAY
01:01:22THE UNDERLYING ECONOMICS OF SOCIAL SECURITY WORKS AND HOW IT FIGURES INTO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
01:01:28TODAY, WORKING AMERICANS PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY STRAIGHT OUT OF EACH PAYCHECK.
01:01:32BUT IF YOU ARE WEALTHY AND HAVE ACCOUNTANTS AND LAWYERS AND THE
01:01:36LIKE, YOU CAN USE A BUNCH OF LOOPHOLES TO GET OUT OF PAYING
01:01:39ANYTHING SIGNIFICANT.
01:01:42THE ALREADY LOW CAP ON SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT ENOUGH OF THE
01:01:45GIVEAWAY TO THE VERY WEALTHY TO STRUCTURE THEIR INCOME THROUGH
01:01:49COMPLEX PARTNERSHIPS TO AVOID PAYING EVEN THE BARE MINIMUM
01:01:53INTO SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:01:56SO IT SEEMS TO ME AS WE GET INTO
01:01:58THIS ISSUE, FAIRNESS IS ESSENTIAL IN ORDER TO MOVE
01:02:03FORWARD IN A CONSTRUCTIVE AND BIPARTISAN WAY.
01:02:07MY QUESTION TO YOU IS DO YOU
01:02:09THINK RAISING NEW REVENUE AND
01:02:13ENSURING SOPHISTICATED TAXPAYERS
01:02:17CAN'T DODGE THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY TAXES, IT SHOULD BE AN
01:02:20IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF ACHIEVING SOLVENCY?
01:02:24>> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. MANY HIGH INCOME BUSINESS OWNERS
01:02:27TO RECLASSIFY THEIR LABOR INCOME
01:02:30AS BUSINESS INCOME TO BASICALLY AVOID THE PAYROLL TAX. THAT IS BIG FOR MEDICARE RIGHT NOW.
01:02:36IF YOU PAY TAXES IT WOULD BE BIG FOR SOCIAL SECURITY. IT IS SOMETHING TO ADDRESS.
01:02:42>> APROPOS OF MY QUESTION, DO
01:02:44YOU THINK RAISING NEW REVENUE
01:02:47AND ENSURING SOPHISTICATED TAXPAYERS CAN DODGE SOCIAL
01:02:51SECURITY OUT OF THE KEY
01:02:54COMPONENT OF ACHIEVING SOLVENCY? >> YES. IT SHOULD BE PART OF SOLVENCY.
01:02:59>> NOW WE HAVE SOMETHING SIGNIFICANT ON THE TABLE.
01:03:03I THINK MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE KNOW THAT I HAVE
01:03:06INTRODUCED LEGISLATION, NOT A
01:03:12COMMISSION, BUT A LEGISLATION TO TRY TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF
01:03:16WORKING WITH DEMOCRATS AND
01:03:16REPUBLICANS AROUND SOMETHING MR.
01:03:20GOLDLINE SAID HE THINKS MAKES SENSE.
01:03:22THAT IS BY BILLIONAIRE INCOME
01:03:26TAX, A PIECE OF LEGISLATION,
01:03:28BLACK LETTER TEXT WITH 22
01:03:30MEMBERS OF THE U.S. SENATE ON
01:03:35THIS COMPROMISE. MY SENSE IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
01:03:37HAVE TO DO IS WORK TOGETHER ON
01:03:43LEGISLATION, NOT COMMISSIONS, IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE
01:03:46AND ENSURE THAT SENIORS -- HAS
01:03:51BEEN ELOQUENT ON THIS SUBJECT AS WELL. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A
01:03:55WAY TO DEAL WITH THE REVENUE IN QUESTION.
01:03:58AND I'VE INTRODUCED LEGISLATION THAT STARTS US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
01:04:04MR. GOLDLINE HAS SAID, AND I THINK HE COMES FROM A DIFFERENT
01:04:08PERSPECTIVE THAT IT WILL BE IMPORTANT.
01:04:09I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET GOING IN
01:04:12TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT
01:04:15LEGISLATION WHERE WE DO WHAT THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN ALL ABOUT.
01:04:20THE SOONER WE DO IT, THE BETTER. I YIELD BACK.
01:04:25NEXT WILL BE SENATOR CASSIDY. >> THANK YOU ALL.
01:04:33-- DO YOUR 38 MILLION MEMBERS,
01:04:36WOULD THEY LIKE TO HAVE A SOCIAL
01:04:38SECURITY SYSTEM THAT IS FULLY
01:04:41FUNDED AND WITHOUT THE THREAT OF
01:04:42A 22% TO 28% BENEFIT CUT?
01:04:47>> NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO BENEFIT CUP.
01:04:49>> WHAT I'M SAYING IS WOULD THEY
01:04:51LIKE TO AVOID THAT, AND HAVING
01:04:54SOCIAL SECURITY PROGRAM FULLY FUNDED? >> YES.
01:04:59>> IS AARP DEVELOPING A PLAN TO DO SO?
01:05:01>> AARP HAS NOT ENDORSED ANY OF THE --
01:05:03>> ARE YOU DEVELOPING A PLAN?
01:05:06>> WE ARE REVIEWING --
01:05:09>> IS AARP DEVELOPING A PLAN TO ADDRESS IT? >> WE ARE NOT DEVELOPING OUR OWN PLAN.
01:05:14>> THAT SAID, LET ME ASK YOU --
01:05:17THE OBJECTION YOU SEEM TO HAVE
01:05:19TO THIS, WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING
01:05:23TODAY, WHICH IS MERELY SETTING UP A PROCESS SO SENATOR WYDEN'S
01:05:28PLAN, SENATOR WHITEHOUSE'S PLAN,
01:05:30SENATOR CASSIDY'S PLAN WITH SENATOR DURBIN WOULD BE
01:05:35CONSIDERED. IT DOESN'T SAY ONE OF THOSE WILL
01:05:36BE THE FINAL SOLUTION, IT JUST
01:05:39SAYS WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THEM. WE ARE SETTING UP A PROCESS.
01:05:44YOU OBJECT TO THIS.
01:05:47SEEM TO OBJECT BECAUSE WE ARE BRINGING IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUARY BOARDS.
01:05:52IF THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUARY
01:05:54BOARD WAS NOT INVOLVED, BUT IT
01:05:57WAS JUST A WORKING GROUP OF
01:05:59REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS
01:06:02BIPARTISAN HAVING OPEN MEETINGS
01:06:03IN WHICH THE PRODUCT OR PRODUCTS
01:06:07WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE AND WAYS AND MEANS TO
01:06:11BE REJECTED, ACCEPTED, OR TO BE
01:06:14COMPLETELY REPLACED WITH SENATOR
01:06:18WYDEN'S PLAN OR SENATOR
01:06:19WHITEHOUSE'S PLAN, WOULD YOU OBJECT?
01:06:23>> WE WOULD SUPPORT ANY EFFORT OF GROUPS OF SENATORS,
01:06:27BIPARTISAN SENATORS COMING TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
01:06:30WE HAVE EXAMPLES OF THAT.
01:06:33>> IF WHAT WE DO IS TAKE OUT THE
01:06:35SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUARY BOARD
01:06:37AND SET UP -- JUST TO REPEAT
01:06:39THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS DOABLE.
01:06:42A BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL GROUP OF SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES
01:06:46STARTING NOW TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE PLANS TO BRING SENATOR
01:06:49WHITEHOUSE PLAN UP, AND CASSIDY AND DURBIN FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO
01:06:53CONSIDER AARP WOULD SUPPORT THAT?
01:06:57>> WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO TALK WITH YOU --
01:06:59>> NO, BECAUSE THE ROPE A DOPE
01:07:02IS WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. I'M TRYING TO MEET YOU WHERE YOU ARE.
01:07:06IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUARY BOARD, AND WE
01:07:10WANT TO TELL LEE THAT SHE IS NOT
01:07:13GOING TO HAVE A 22% TO 28%
01:07:15BENEFIT CUT, RIGHT NOW SHE IS
01:07:18GOING TO GET A 20 TO 20% BENEFIT CUT.
01:07:23IF YOUR OBJECTION IS THE INVOLVEMENT OF THE SOCIAL
01:07:25SECURITY ACTUARY BOARD, BUT INSTEAD WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP OF PUBLIC MEETINGS BRINGING
01:07:29SOMETHING TO THIS TABLE, WHICH
01:07:31MAY BE SENATOR WHITEHOUSE'S
01:07:34PLAN, WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT PROCESS BILL?
01:07:38>> WE ARE SEEKING REGULAR ORDER. WHAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED SOUNDS
01:07:41TO ME LIKE REGULAR ORDER. >> THAT WOULD BE REGULAR ORDER.
01:07:45BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WOULD BE A REGULAR ORDER, THEN
01:07:48IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THIS COMMITTEE. THEN ON THE SENATE FLOOR.
01:07:52THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, SO YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT?
01:07:56>> IF IT IS REGULAR ORDER, WHICH IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, YES.
01:08:01WE OBJECT TO A COMMISSION AND WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE SENATE
01:08:04FINANCE COMMITTEE, WAYS AND MEANS CAN BECOME A BIPARTISAN
01:08:07BICAMERAL TO COME TOGETHER AND
01:08:12REVIEW THE MANY PROPOSALS THAT
01:08:14EXIST, MANY OF WHICH ARE
01:08:17BIPARTISAN, SOME OF WHICH ARE NOT. AS THE CHAIRMAN SAID, LOOK AT
01:08:21THE VARIOUS IDEAS THAT ARE OUT THERE. >> I THINK WE MAY HAVE COMMON
01:08:25GROUND AFTER ALL. THE POINT IS HOW DID WE REVIEW
01:08:29THOSE PROPOSALS IN A TIMELY FASHION? THEY ARE ALL OUT THERE AND THEY
01:08:33HAVE BEEN SCORED. IN A TIMELY FASHION TO BRING THEM UP.
01:08:37AND I WANT HIM TO HAVE A HEARING. WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IS A PROCESS.
01:08:42AT SOME POINT I WILL PERHAPS MOVE THAT WE MODIFY THAT WHICH
01:08:46IS BEFORE US, AND I'M WILLING TO TAKE UP THE SOCIAL SECURITY
01:08:50ACTUARY BOARD BECAUSE PEOPLE KEEP OBJECTING TO COMMISSIONS.
01:08:55AND COME TOGETHER AS BIPARTISAN, BICAMERAL TO REVIEW THESE SOLUTIONS.
01:09:00IF THE PROPOSAL THEY COME UP
01:09:03WITH IS A STINKY PROPOSAL, I'M A
01:09:07GASTROENTEROLOGIST, WE CAN DO WHITE HOUSES.
01:09:10IT CAN BE AN AMENDMENT AND THE NATURE OF A SUBSTITUTE.
01:09:13THEN WE WILL GET THEIR DAY.
01:09:15THERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BENEFIT CUTS, NO ONE IS SAYING BENEFIT
01:09:18CUTS, WE ARE TALKING A PROCESS BY WHICH TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
01:09:22THERE MAY BE COMMON GROUND HERE.
01:09:25THANK YOU, AARP. I YIELD BACK.
01:09:30>> NEXT IS SENATOR WHITEHOUSE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN.
01:09:40DOES MY MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY FAIR SHARE ACT DO THE JOB?
01:09:45MAKING SOCIAL SECURITY ACTUALLY
01:09:48SOLVING FOR AS LONG AS ACTUARIES CAN SEE?
01:09:51>> THE SOCIAL SECURITY MEDICARE
01:09:53-- IT IS A NEW BASELINE, IT MIGHT FALL IF PERCENT SHORT.
01:09:58>> THE EXISTING BASELINE -- AGAINST THE LAST BASELINE IT DOES IT. YOU ARE VERY CLOSE.
01:10:03>> GOOD TO KNOW IT WILL WORK.
01:10:07DOES AARP BELIEVE THAT BENEFITS
01:10:11NEED TO BE CUT IN ORDER TO PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY
01:10:15SOLVENCY? >> NO. >> ESSAY AGAIN.
01:10:17>> AARP DOES NOT BELIEVE BENEFITS SHOULD BE CUT.
01:10:21>> AND MS. FALES, I BELIEVE YOU
01:10:24HAVE TAKEN A LOOK AT MY BILL.
01:10:27HOW WOULD YOU COMMENT ON THE
01:10:31FAIRNESS OF THE TAX PROPOSALS
01:10:34THAT RAISE THE REVENUE THAT ALLOWS SOCIAL SECURITY THE
01:10:40SOLVENCY MENTIONED WITHOUT THE
01:10:44BENEFIT CUTS THAT WERE OPPOSED? >> IT IS IMPORTANT IN ADDITION
01:10:47TO UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE IN THESE ISSUES TO UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMY
01:10:50WE HAVE TODAY IS NOT THE ECONOMY
01:10:53WE HAD IN 1983, CERTAINLY NOT
01:10:56THE ACADEMY -- ECONOMY WE HAD IN 1930 FIVE.
01:10:59MORE OF HIGHER EARNERS INCOME AND WEALTH NOW COMES FROM
01:11:03SOURCES OUTSIDE OF SOCIAL SECURITY PLUS TRADITIONAL FINANCING STRUCTURE.
01:11:08INVESTMENT INCOME, ALL OF THESE
01:11:10ARE THINGS THAT ARE ESCAPING
01:11:13SOCIAL SECURITY, IF YOU WILL. ALONG WITH REFORMS TO THE
01:11:18PAYROLL TAX CAP, WHICH HAVE BEEN MENTIONED, THERE'S A STRONG
01:11:22ECONOMIC CASE IN ADDITION TO IT BEING WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
01:11:26ARE INTERESTED IN THIS BODY EXPLORING. WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT OTHER
01:11:30TYPES OF REVENUE OPTIONS AND BROADENING THAT REVENUE BASE.
01:11:34I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
01:11:39>> YOU WOULD APPROVE AS A REVENUE PROPOSAL.
01:11:41>> THE ACADEMY DOES NOT TAKE
01:11:43POSITIONS ON LEGISLATION, BUT I SUGGEST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN STARTING TO
01:11:47EXPLORE THAT IDEA. >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
01:11:51>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BACK TO YOU.
01:11:59>> SENATOR JOHNSON. >> MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:12:02HAVE YOUR RACINE TABLE ONE?
01:12:05>> I HAVE. TABLE ONE? >> I HAVE.
01:12:07I LOOK AT THOSE MONEY WORTH
01:12:10MEMORANDUM ALL THE TIME. THE ONE I USE IS TABLE THREE.
01:12:13>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TABLE ONE.
01:12:16>> MY ISSUE WITH TABLE ONE IS IT ASSUMES WE PAY FULL SCHEDULE
01:12:21BENEFITS WITHOUT COLLECTING PAYROLL TAXES TO DO IT.
01:12:23SO IT EXAGGERATES THE ACTUAL
01:12:26RATES OF RETURN FROM SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:12:30THE ONE FIGURED ON THE BASIS OF WHAT SOCIAL SECURITY WOULD PAY IS TABLE THREE.
01:12:34THE BASIC QUALITATIVE STORY IS THE SAME.
01:12:37>> WHAT I POINTED OUT, 220
01:12:40DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS.
01:12:44THE PEOPLE GET HOSED THE MOST, THEY GET $.59 ON THE DOLLAR.
01:12:49PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT MOST GET $4.78 ON THE HOUR.
01:12:54YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE GRAND
01:12:55DESIGN OF SOCIAL SECURITY,
01:13:00FORCING YOU TO SAVE IT FOR YOUR RETIREMENT. THEN INVEST THAT MONEY AND GET
01:13:04RETURNS ON IT, THEN WE WILL RETURN TO YOU YOUR SAVINGS AND RETIREMENT.
01:13:10IT WASN'T A WELFARE PROGRAM, IT WAS FORCED SAVINGS RETURNED TO
01:13:14YOU.
01:13:16-- OUR CARE CUSTODY CONTROL, CORRECT?
01:13:19>> CORRECT, YOU CAN CONTINUE, BUT I THINK THERE IS A REALLY
01:13:23IMPORTANT STORY TO TELL BASED ON
01:13:26THAT TABLE IN YOUR PREVIOUS REMARKS, WHICH IS THAT.
01:13:31THE EARLIEST RECIPIENTS OF SOCIAL SECURITY DO NOT PAY FOR BENEFITS. THEY WERE BASICALLY GIVEN
01:13:34BENEFITS THEY DID NOT PAY FOR.
01:13:38>> I'M TRYING TO DEFINE THE PROBLEM HERE.
01:13:41WE JUST MISSED A FIND IT ALL THE TIME. THE PROBLEM IS $40 TRILLION IN DEBT.
01:13:47I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR
01:13:50$190 TRILLION, BUT IF YOU DON'T
01:13:52TAKE OUT A GENERAL FUND, YOU
01:13:55WILL HAVE TO INCREASE PEOPLE'S TAXES $190 TRILLION.
01:13:59IN THE SCORING OF THESE ACTUARIES, DO THEY CONSIDER THE DYNAMIC IMPACT TO THAT?
01:14:06THE DYNAMIC ECONOMIC IMPACT?
01:14:10>> 190 TRILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO BORROW IN TODAY'S
01:14:13DOLLARS IF WE WANT TO CLOSE THE ENTIRE GAP.
01:14:17>> OR WE CAN ADJUST BENEFITS.
01:14:19>> DO THEY CONSIDER THE DYNAMIC
01:14:23IMPACT AND THE FAIRNESS? IF YOU HAVE HIGH INCOME EARNERS
01:14:27GETTING $.59 ON THE DOLLAR, YOU
01:14:30LIFT THE CAP ON EARNINGS TO
01:14:33RAISE $190 TRILLION, FIRST OF ALL THAT IS THE GOLDEN GOOSE.
01:14:36THOSE PEOPLE DID NOT INVEST --
01:14:40PUTTING IN A MATTRESS, THEY INVEST IN BUSINESSES, WHICH I
01:14:44WOULD ARGUE IS THE NUMBER ONE COMPONENT SOLUTION FOR THESE PROBLEMS.
01:14:48WE HAVE TO GROW OUR ECONOMY. LET'S NOT DO ANYTHING THAT HARMS
01:14:52ECONOMIC GROWTH. MASSIVE TAX INCREASES.
01:14:55TAKING UP THE CAP VIOLATES THE PREMISE OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:15:00THOSE INDIVIDUALS PAY TO SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEMS, THEY WILL GET
01:15:04EVEN A PENNY.
01:15:08BY DOING THAT, YOU ARE TURNING IT INTO A WELFARE SYSTEM, BY AND LARGE.
01:15:13>> I WOULD URGE EXTREME CAUTION. SEVERING THAT CONNECTION.
01:15:18>> THEY ARE NOT USING EXTREME CAUTION.
01:15:21THE SOLUTION IS LIFT THE CAPS,
01:15:23COMPLETELY VIOLATE THE PREMISE
01:15:26OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM, THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
01:15:30ABOUT, DOING GREAT ECONOMIC HARM.
01:15:32>> I WAS A CHANGE THE POLITICAL DYNAMICS AROUND THE PROGRAM.
01:15:36ONCE YOU HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE SOME PEOPLE PAY INTO THE SYSTEM
01:15:39WITHOUT GETTING BENEFITS, OTHERS GETTING BENEFITS THEY DID NOT
01:15:43PAY FOR. >> I WANT TO HONOR THOSE PROBLEMS.
01:15:48HERE'S A SIMPLE SOLUTION. LET'S GET RID OF THAT LAW THAT
01:15:51FORCES US TO CUT BENEFITS AND RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF WHAT
01:15:54THE TRUE PROBLEM IS, RUNNING TO
01:15:57TRILLION DOLLAR PLUS DEFICITS. WE ARE $40 TRILLION IN DEBT.
01:16:02START ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT IS THE PROBLEM THAT
01:16:04HAS TO BE -- WE CAN FIND SOCIAL
01:16:08SECURITY, WILL COME UP WITH ALL OF THESE HALF-BAKED IDEAS.
01:16:11IT DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
01:16:14UNTIL YOU ADDRESS THE FACT WE
01:16:16ARE 40 TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT AND THAT WILL GO OFF IN OUR
01:16:21FACES, AND HISTORY WILL
01:16:23SKYROCKET, AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE GROSS MISMANAGEMENT.
01:16:28HAVE YOU REDONE A CALCULATION IF WE TAKE THOSE SURPLUSES AND
01:16:31INVEST THAT IN SOMETHING THAT HAS THAT GOVERNMENT LIKE STOCKS?
01:16:36HAVE YOU EVER DONE A CALCULATION WITH HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE IN A TRUST FUND THAT HAS VALUE IN
01:16:40GOVERNMENT? >> CERTAINLY THERE HAVE BEEN
01:16:44CALCULATIONS DONE. >> I WANTED TO REDO THAT
01:16:47CALCULATION LAST TIME, $1 TRILLION.
01:16:50DO YOU AGREE WITH ME GOVERNMENT BONDS IN THE HAND OF A
01:16:53GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION -- THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
01:16:56>> --
01:16:59IT HAS NO VALUE BECAUSE IT IS WORTHLESS. WHEN THE TRUSTEES RETURNED IT TO
01:17:03PAY OFF THOSE BENEFITS, THE TREASURY HAVE -- NEW BOND.
01:17:07I KNOW WE HAVE RUN OUT OF TIME, BUT IF WE GO THROUGH THIS
01:17:12PROCESS, LET'S RECOGNIZE THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION. LET'S RECOGNIZE HOW GROSSLY
01:17:17MISMANAGED, HOW THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WERE SOLD A BILL OF GOODS.
01:17:23AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO FIX IT.
01:17:25FIXING IT IS NOT GOING TO BE
01:17:28TAXING HIGH EARNERS WHO CREATE ALL OF THE JOBS AND PROSPERITY IN THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU.
01:17:34>> THANK YOU. SENATOR HASSAN. >> THANK YOU CHAIR AND RANKING
01:17:38MEMBER WYDEN FOR HAVING TODAY'S HEARING. TO ALL OUR WITNESSES, THANK YOU
01:17:42FOR BEING HERE.
01:17:45I WANT TO START WITH A QUESTION
01:17:50ABOUT ONE IN FOUR GRANITE STATERS, MORE THAN 300 50,000 PEOPLE COUNT ON THEIR SOCIAL
01:17:53SECURITY BENEFITS TO MAKE ENDS MEET. WE HAVE TO PROTECT AND
01:17:57STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY
01:18:00BENEFICIARIES, AND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
01:18:02I WANT TO BE CLEAR I DON'T SUPPORT CUTS TO SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:18:07ONE WAY TO STRENGTHEN SOCIAL
01:18:09SECURITY, AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW ON THIS THAN SENATOR
01:18:14JOHNSON, IS TO MAKE SURE THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS CONTRIBUTE
01:18:18THE SAME SHARE OF THEIR INCOME
01:18:22TO SOCIAL SECURITY AS WORKING AMERICANS. UNDER CURRENT LAW, THE PAYROLL
01:18:25TAX ONLY APPLIES TO EARNINGS UP TO AROUND $185,000.
01:18:31HOW WOULD RAISING OR ELIMINATING THE TAX CAP STRENGTHEN THE
01:18:34SOLVENCY OF SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:18:38MR. GOLDWEIN: THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, SENATOR HASSAN. OBVIOUSLY THE ANSWER DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU RAISE IT AND
01:18:41WHETHER YOU PAY BENEFITS.
01:18:47BUT IF YOU WERE TO ELIMINATE THE
01:18:48CAP, YOU COULD CLOSE IN THE
01:18:52NEIGHBORHOOD UP HALF OF THE 75-YEAR SHORTFALL AND 40% OF THE LONG-TERM SHORTFALL. SEN. HASSAN: AT A TIME WHEN OUR DEFICIT HAS BEEN DRAWN UP --
01:18:55DRIVEN UP BY EXTRAORDINARY TAX
01:19:01CUTS TO THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, THIS IS ONE WAY TO
01:19:05ADDRESS THE SOLVENCY ISSUE WITHOUT HARMING THE BENEFITS FOR RECIPIENTS?
01:19:08MR. GOLDWEIN: IT IS ONE WAY TO
01:19:13HELP GET TO SOLVENCY, YES.
01:19:14SEN. HASSAN: THANK YOU.
01:19:20MS. LE MONDE, SCAMMERS ARE BECOMING MORE SOPHISTICATED IN
01:19:21USING TECHNOLOGY TO STEAL
01:19:28PEOPLE'S HARD-EARNED RETIREMENT
01:19:29SAVINGS. ACCORDING TO THE FBI, IN 2025
01:19:33SCAMMERS STOLE ABOUT 7.7 BILLION DOLLARS FROM SENIORS, A 30%
01:19:36INCREASE FROM 2024, JUST IN ONE YEAR. I HAVE APPRECIATED AARP'S
01:19:38SUPPORT FOR IMPROVING SOCIAL
01:19:43SECURITY'S SERVICE TO VICTIMS OF IDENTITY THEFT ACT, WHICH IS A
01:19:45MOUTHFUL. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE
01:19:48SURE WHEN A SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENT'S IDENTITY HAS BEEN STOLEN THEY HAVE A SINGLE OFFICE
01:19:51TO GO TO AND THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION HAS DEDICATED
01:19:55SOMEBODY TO THIS WORK.
01:19:57SO THIS IS A BIPARTISAN BILL THAT I CO-LEAD WITH SENATOR
01:20:00GRASSLEY TO GET VICTIMS HELP IN
01:20:06REALLY DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. IN ADDITION TO GETTING THE BILL
01:20:08ACROSS THE FINISH LINE, WHAT STEPS SHOULD CONGRESS TAKE TO
01:20:11SUPPORT BENEFICIARIES WHO BECOME
01:20:13VICTIMS OF IDENTITY THEFT?
01:20:20MS. LEAMOND: FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO YOU AND SENATOR
01:20:22GRASSLEY FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON
01:20:25THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. UNFORTUNATELY, MY PORTFOLIO ON FRAUD AND SCAMS IS THE
01:20:27FASTEST-GROWING I HAVE.
01:20:31THEY ARE SIMPLY UNENDING, AND WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION IS ABLE
01:20:34TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF SUPPORT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED. AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, WE HAVE A
01:20:38FRAUD WATCH NETWORK LINE WHERE PEOPLE CALL IN.
01:20:41WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF CALLS EVERY WEEK FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
01:20:43VICTIMS OF SCAMS.
01:20:46AND WE WANT TO PROVIDE THE KIND
01:20:49OF SUPPORT WE ARE GIVING, BUT
01:20:58ALSO HAVE FEDERAL AGENCIES -- THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION PROVIDES SIMILAR KINDS OF SUPPORT. I MENTIONED IN THE BEGINNING WE
01:21:01HAVE SUPPORTED A NUMBER OF BIPARTISAN BILLS IN THE CONGRESS
01:21:03THIS YEAR TO DEAL WITH THIS TREMENDOUS PROBLEM OF SCAMS AND
01:21:07FRAUD, AND WE APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP.
01:21:14SEN. HASSAN: I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH AARP ON SOME OF THOSE EFFORTS AND SEEING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SUPPORT
01:21:18THEM. LAST QUESTION IS TO YOU, MS.
01:21:20VALLAS. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT RETIREMENT SECURITY IN A VACUUM.
01:21:24SENIORS ARE HAVING A HARDER TIME TODAY AFFORDING EVERYDAY
01:21:27EXPENSES.
01:21:31BETWEEN SOARING INFORMATION --
01:21:35INFLATION AND THE PRESIDENT'S FAILED ECONOMIC AGENDA, SOCIAL
01:21:39SECURITY BENEFITS ARE NOT GOING AS FAR AS THEY USED TO. HOW ARE INCREASED COSTS IMPACTING RETIREMENT SECURITY?
01:21:42MS. VALLAS: IT IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT QUESTION, AND THANK
01:21:44YOU FOR CONNECTING THOSE DOTS.
01:21:48WE ARE HAVING A NATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT
01:21:52AFFORDABILITY, AND SOCIAL SECURITY ABSOLUTELY IS AND NEEDS
01:21:55TO BE PART OF THAT. FOR MOST AMERICANS RETIREMENT SECURITY IS NOT SOME ABSTRACT
01:21:59CONCEPT.
01:22:04CONCEPT.
01:22:09IT IS ABOUT WHETHER THEY CAN AFFORD THE BASICS -- THEIR HOUSING, THEIR GROCERIES, THEIR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS, THEIR HEALTH
01:22:13CARE, THEIR LONG-TERM CARE. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE HEAR WHEN PEOPLE SAY WHAT SOCIAL SECURITY MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO BE
01:22:16ABLE TO AFFORD, BUT ALSO HOW SOCIAL SECURITY DOES NOT GO AS FAR AS IT MIGHT NEED TO.
01:22:20THAT IS NOT JUST WHY SOCIAL SECURITY IS SO IMPORTANT, BUT PART OF WHY IT WAS UNSURPRISING IN THE ACADEMY'S SURVEY RESEARCH
01:22:23WE FOUND HUGE POPULARITY FOR
01:22:27ACTUALLY HAVING A MORE ACCURATE
01:22:32COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND HUGE UNPOPULARITY FOR A SLOWER COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT WOULD MAKE THAT AFFORDABILITY
01:22:36CRISIS HARDER FOR SENIORS. SEN. HASSAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND
01:22:39TESTIMONY. THANKS, MR. CHAIR.
01:22:44CHAIR CRAPO: SENATOR WARREN. YOU ARE UP. [LAUGHTER]
01:22:48SEN. WARREN: ALL RIGHT.
01:22:49SO, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:22:52SOCIAL SECURITY IS A PROMISE.
01:22:54YOU PAY IN, YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND
01:23:02THEN WHEN YOU NEED IT AT THE END, IT WILL ALWAYS, ALWAYS BE THERE FOR YOU.
01:23:05BUT WE HAVE GOT SIX YEARS NOW
01:23:08AHEAD OF US BEFORE THE SOCIAL
01:23:11SECURITY TRUST FUND FACES
01:23:14INSOLVENCY, MEANING THAT RETIREES COULD SEE THEIR BENEFITS SLASHED BY 22%. CONGRESS NEEDS TO ACT TO MAKE
01:23:18SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THIS IS WHY DEMOCRATS ARE
01:23:22FIGHTING TO PROTECT AND EXPAND
01:23:28SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FUNDED BY THE WEALTHIEST AMERICANS
01:23:30PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE. BUT SO FAR, CONGRESSIONAL
01:23:33REPUBLICANS LIKE TO PRETEND THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION IS BENEFIT CUTS.
01:23:37AND WHEN THEY SEE HOW UNPOPULAR
01:23:38THAT IS, THEY THEN TRY TO PIVOT
01:23:42AND SAY LET'S SET UP A COMMISSION TO MAKE THE CUTS, BECAUSE THEN MAYBE THE VOTERS
01:23:46WON'T BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR IT. NOW, MS. LEAMOND, YOUR
01:23:50ORGANIZATION, AARP, REPRESENTS
01:23:52MILLIONS OF SENIORS.
01:23:55RIGHT NOW THEY ARE SEEING
01:23:57SKYROCKETING PRICES FOR
01:24:00EVERYTHING FROM HEALTH CARE TO
01:24:03GAS TO GROCERIES. MS. LEAMOND, IF SOCIAL SECURITY
01:24:05CHECKS ALREADY AREN'T KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION, WHAT HAPPENS IF
01:24:09THEY ARE CUT BY 22%? MS. LEAMOND: WELL, SENATOR,
01:24:13THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE
01:24:16DEVASTATING TO OUR CONSTITUENCY.
01:24:19THAT 22% CUT, IF YOU GET THE
01:24:22MINIMUM BENEFIT, IT IS ALREADY $400. THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF
01:24:26PEOPLE AND THEIR DAILY EXPENSES.
01:24:31WE ARE HEARING MORE AND MORE
01:24:35FROM OUR MEMBERS NOT ONLY ABOUT
01:24:36THE KIND OF COST-OF-LIVING
01:24:39KITCHEN-TABLE ECONOMICS RIGHT
01:24:43NOW, BUT ALSO LONG TERM AS THEY THINK ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY. SEN. WARREN: LOOK, HERE IS A BETTER IDEA.
01:24:46HOW ABOUT WE MAKE THE WEALTHY PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY AT THE
01:24:48SAME RATE THAT WORKING FAMILIES PAY INTO SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:24:52RIGHT NOW THE SOCIAL SECURITY PAYROLL TAX IS CAPPED AT
01:24:55$184,500.
01:25:02THAT MEANS IF YOU ARE A NURSE OR CONSTRUCTION WORKER, YOU ARE
01:25:05PAYING SOCIAL SECURITY ON 100%
01:25:07OF YOUR INCOME.
01:25:11BUT IF YOU ARE A CORPORATE LAWYER RAKING IN MILLIONS, YOU
01:25:13ARE ONLY PAYING SOCIAL SECURITY
01:25:19ON A TINY LITTLE FRACTION OF YOUR INCOME. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. THAT IS WHY SENATOR MORENO AND I
01:25:22HAVE CALLED FOR CONGRESS TO
01:25:25SCRAP THE CAP ON PAYROLL TAXES. THAT ONE REFORM ALONE WOULD
01:25:27IMPACT ABOUT 6% OF ALL
01:25:32HOUSEHOLDS, THE HIGHEST-EARNING AMERICANS, AND WOULD PROTECT
01:25:36SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR AT
01:25:37LEAST TWO DECADES.
01:25:43SO, MS. LEAMOND, DO YOU AGREE THAT SECURING BENEFITS BY
01:25:46SCRAPPING THE CAP ON PAYROLL TAXES WOULD HELP SENIORS?
01:25:49MS. LEAMOND: WELL, YOU HAVE
01:25:53DESCRIBED WHAT WE HEAR A GREAT
01:25:54DEAL FROM OUR SENIORS, AND IN
01:25:58OUR POSITION, WHICH IS PLEASE DON'T CUT BENEFITS, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR SOURCES OF
01:26:01REVENUE, AND WE HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE ABOUT, IS IT
01:26:03FAIR THAT I AM PAYING ON ALL OF MY WAGES AND SOMEBODY DOWN THE
01:26:07STREET ISN'T?
01:26:12SOMETIMES THEY USE EXAMPLES OF
01:26:16PEOPLE THAT WORK IN NONPROFITS
01:26:17EVEN.
01:26:21SEN. WARREN: UH-HUH, THERE YOU GO. THAT IS NOT ALL WE COULD DO.
01:26:23WHILE WORKING-CLASS FAMILIES PAY
01:26:28INTO SOCIAL SECURITY ON EVERY PAYCHECK, WEALTHY INVESTORS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF LOOPHOLES TO AVOID PAYING INTO THE TRUST FUND.
01:26:31FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU ARE AN
01:26:35INVESTOR IN A HEDGE FUND, YOU CAN PAY YOURSELF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFITS EACH YEAR
01:26:39WITHOUT PAYING ANYTHING INTO
01:26:40SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:26:46NOW, MS. VALLAS, YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND DISABILITY POLICY.
01:26:49DO YOU AGREE THAT SECURING BENEFITS BY CLOSING THESE
01:26:52LOOPHOLES THAT ARE AVAILABLE
01:26:57PRETTY MUCH ONLY FOR WEALTHY INVESTORS WOULD HELP SENIORS AND AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES WHO
01:27:00RELY ON SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:27:04MS. VALLAS: IF THOSE FORMS OF
01:27:11REVENUE DO END UP BEING LOOKED AT AS SOLVENCY OPTIONS, WE WILL SEE HUGE PROTECTION FOR PEOPLE WHOSE BENEFITS WOULD NOT BE CUT,
01:27:14INCLUDING SENIORS AND PEOPLE
01:27:18WITH DISABILITIES.
01:27:21AND, JUST TO NOTE, DEPENDING ON
01:27:24HOW YOU STRUCTURE IT, YOU COULD ALSO END UP SEEING SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO STRENGTHEN BENEFITS
01:27:27FROM SOME OF THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE
01:27:31NOT WELL-SERVED, SOMETHING YOU AND OTHERS HAVE PROPOSED AS WELL. SEN. WARREN: I REALLY APPRECIATE -- LOOK, CONGRESS HAS A CHOICE
01:27:35TO MAKE. EITHER WE CAN DECIDE TO PROTECT THE TOP 6% OF ALL EARNERS IN
01:27:38AMERICA AND LET THE SOCIAL
01:27:41SECURITY TRUST FUND GET INTO
01:27:44TROUBLE, CUT BENEFITS FOR
01:27:45SENIORS, THROW MORE SENIORS INTO
01:27:53POVERTY, OR WE CAN DECIDE THAT EVERYBODY PAYS THE SAME SHARE AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY FOREVER INTO THE FUTURE.
01:27:57THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
01:27:58THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:28:02SEN. WYDEN: THANK YOU, SENATOR
01:28:03WARREN.
01:28:07ARE GOING TO GET ALL THESE MEMBERS IN BEFORE THE BREAK. NEXT IN TERMS OF APPEARANCE ON
01:28:11THE CHAIRMAN'S CARD IS SENATOR
01:28:15GRASSLEY. WE WILL GET EVERYBODY IN.
01:28:16WE WANT TO GET SENATOR SANDERS
01:28:20AND SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO AND SENATOR LANKFORD, AND WE CAN DO IT ALL BEFORE THE BREAK. SENATOR GRASSLEY.
01:28:23SEN. GRASSLEY: I APOLOGIZE.
01:28:24I WAS ACROSS THE HALL WITH THE
01:28:29JUDICIARY COMMITTEE NOMINEES.
01:28:33SO I'M GOING TO START WITH MR.
01:28:34GOLDWEIN.
01:28:37FOR ANY SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM PROPOSAL TO SUCCEED, IT WILL
01:28:41REQUIRE THE SUPPORT OF AT LEAST 60 SENATORS.
01:28:45SO THAT MEANS BOTH PARTIES WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND A
01:28:46SOLUTION.
01:28:51OUTSIDE OF THE 1983 COMMISSION, ARE THERE EXAMPLES OF A
01:28:55COMMISSION OR OTHER SPECIAL
01:28:56PROCESS THAT SUCCESSFULLY
01:29:00SPARKED BIPARTISAN COOPERATION AND ACTION? MR. GOLDWEIN: THANK YOU FOR THAT
01:29:04QUESTION. COMMITTEES OFTEN SPARKED
01:29:06BIPARTISAN ACTION.
01:29:11AS I MENTIONED MY TESTIMONY, EVERY PIECE OF SOCIAL SECURITY LEGISLATION, THE LARGEST PIECES,
01:29:15HAVE BEEN BASED ON ONE OF THESE
01:29:19COMMITTEES, MOST OF THEM BIPARTISAN. THE 9/11 COMMISSION, BIPARTISAN RESULTS.
01:29:23I WILL ALSO SAY SIMPSON-BOWLES, ALTHOUGH WE DID NOT GET TO THE FINISH LINE, SPARKED A
01:29:25BIPARTISAN CONVERSATION.
01:29:27IN FACT, 45 SENATORS IN THIS BODY CALLED FOR LEGISLATION
01:29:31BASED ON SIMPSON-BOWLES, INCLUDING SENATOR WYDEN, SENATOR JOHNSON, AND MANY OTHERS WHO
01:29:34HAVE SINCE LEFT. SO ABSOLUTELY, YES.
01:29:39SEN. GRASSLEY: AND MS. LEAMOND
01:29:41AND MS. VALLAS, BASED IN YOUR
01:29:44TESTIMONY, I UNDERSTAND YOU BOTH
01:29:46OPPOSE ANY SORT OF
01:29:51COMMISSION-BASED PROCESS.
01:29:55INSTEAD, YOU CONTEND CONGRESS SHOULD ADDRESS SOCIAL SECURITY THROUGH REGULAR COMMITTEE AND FLOOR PROCESSES. I RESPECT THAT VIEW.
01:29:58I AM OPEN TO ANY PROCESS THAT
01:29:59WILL FACILITATE THE BIPARTISAN
01:30:06COOPERATION THAT IS NECESSARY, WITH AN EMPHASIS UPON THE WORD
01:30:08"BIPARTISAN."
01:30:12WHAT ARE SOME ACTIONS YOUR GROUPS ARE TAKING OR PLAN TO TAKE TO FOSTER BIPARTISAN COOPERATION AND DISCUSSION OF
01:30:15SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:30:18MS. LEAMOND: THANK YOU, SENATOR GRASSLEY, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
01:30:20WE KNOW YOU DID A HEARING IN JUNE.
01:30:24HEARING TODAY. WE ARE HOPEFUL WE WILL SEE MORE
01:30:28AND MORE DISCUSSION IN THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE. AS YOU KNOW FROM OUR TESTIMONY, WE BELIEVE THE SENATE FINANCE
01:30:31COMMITTEE IS WHERE THIS SHOULD
01:30:34BE DEBATED, SHOULD BE CONCERNED,
01:30:37-- SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, AND WHERE ACTION SHOULD BE TAKEN.
01:30:43ON OUR PART, WE, AS YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN VERY ACTIVE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
01:30:46WE DO TELE- TOWN HALLS WITH
01:30:52OUR MEMBERS. WE WANT TO OFFER THAT TO MEMBERS
01:30:56OF THE COMMITTEE. AS YOU DELIBERATE VARIOUS PROPOSALS, WE THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE HUGELY IMPORTANT IN
01:30:59TERMS OF BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE
01:31:03TABLE.
01:31:06AND NOT JUST OUR CONSTITUENCY. BUT WHY DON'T WE REACH OUT TO
01:31:10YOUNGER PEOPLE? YOU KNOW THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS STAKE IN THE FUTURE OF SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:31:13WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, TALK ABOUT VARIOUS APPROACHES, AND MOVE AHEAD.
01:31:16WE DO NOT SUPPORT A COMMISSION. WE DO SUPPORT ACTION BY BIPARTISAN LEADERS IN THE
01:31:21CONGRESS, THE SENATE FINANCE
01:31:22COMMITTEE, HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS
01:31:26COMMITTEE. AND YOU CAN COUNT ON US BEING AN HONEST PARTNER ALL THE WAY, BOTH
01:31:30IN OUR OUTREACH TO OUR CONSTITUENCY, AND ALSO IN OUR DELIBERATIONS ABOUT VARIOUS
01:31:34POLICY APPROACHES.
01:31:37MS. VALLAS: I WILL ECHO MS.
01:31:39LEAMOND IN THANKING YOU,
01:31:43SENATOR, FOR THE QUESTION, AND YOUR LEADERSHIP. TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE ACADEMY, THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF
01:31:47SOCIAL INSURANCE DOES NOT TAKE OFFICIAL POSITIONS ON
01:31:50LEGISLATIVE PROCEDURES OR INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF
01:31:52LEGISLATION.
01:31:56WE ARE NOT HERE OPPOSING OR SUPPORTING THE IDEA OF A
01:31:58COMMISSION.
01:32:04BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO TRY TO RESOURCE THIS COMMITTEE IN THIS IMPORTANT BIPARTISAN WORK IS
01:32:08ASKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT THIS COMMITTEE TO DO. AS I MENTIONED AND AS I LAY OUT
01:32:11IN MY WRITTEN TESTIMONY AS WELL, DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE CAN BE
01:32:14DIFFICULT ON CERTAIN ISSUES
01:32:16WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T
01:32:24AGREE, BUT ON THIS ISSUE, ON SOCIAL SECURITY, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE VERY UNITED AND CLEAR
01:32:27ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT.
01:32:31SO OUR MESSAGE TO THIS COMMITTEE WOULD BE START BY LISTENING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE HARD WORK FOR YOU. SEN. GRASSLEY: I SEE A LOT OF
01:32:35AARP ADS ON TELEVISION. I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF ADVICE
01:32:38FOR YOU.
01:32:42BUT YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN A
01:32:46CANDIDATE TRUMP AND A PRESIDENT
01:32:47BIDEN.
01:32:53THEY ALL RAN ON A PLATFORM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY.
01:32:56AND YOUR TV ADVERTISEMENTS ARE
01:33:00SAYING WE AREN'T GOING TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR DEFENDING THE PROGRAM THAT WAY, BUT WE'VE
01:33:04GOT TO WAKE THIS ENTIRE NATION
01:33:06UP TO FACT THAT THERE IS GOING
01:33:10TO BE A 20% -- 22% CUTS IF WE DO
01:33:15N'T DO SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. AND YOU OUGHT TO SPEND SOME OF YOUR MONEY WAKING UP PEOPLE TO
01:33:18THE FACT THAT THERE IS A CRISIS
01:33:22DOWN THE LINE. AND YOU SAY DON'T CUT SOCIAL
01:33:24SECURITY, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE
01:33:29CUT AUTOMATICALLY IF YOU DON'T WAKE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY
01:33:31UP, AND THAT IS WHAT I WOULD
01:33:36ADVISE YOU TO DO BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BIG VOICE. SEN. WYDEN: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
01:33:40I DON'T WANT TO BE DIFFICULT HERE, BUT SENATOR LANKFORD WOULD BE NEXT, AND THEN SENATOR
01:33:44SANDERS, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE
01:33:45DONE.
01:33:50SEN. LANKFORD: WHY WOULD THAT BE DIFFICULT? SEN. WYDEN: EVERYBODY IS
01:33:53JUGGLING.
01:33:57SEN. LANKFORD: Y'ALL, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
01:34:00I APPRECIATE THE CHAIRMAN
01:34:05AND RANKING MEMBER OF OUR HAVING A DIALOGUE ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY. THIS IS A MOMENT THAT WE SHOULD
01:34:08TALK ABOUT STABILIZING THE PROGRAM, AND THE CONCERN IS THAT WE ALL KNOW IN SIX YEARS WE HAVE
01:34:11AN INSOLVENCY ISSUE.
01:34:15THAT RED LIGHT ON THE DASH HAS BEEN FLASHING FOR A LONG TIME.
01:34:18BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE HAVE
01:34:23A CONVERSATION, IT BECOMES AN ISSUE OF FEAR MONGERING THAT THIS IS ABOUT TAKING BENEFITS AWAY.
01:34:27WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO A POINT THAT NO ONE LOSES BENEFITS. IN FACT, WE STABILIZE THE PROGRAM LONG-TERM IS THE GOAL OF
01:34:31THIS. BUT IT IS A REAL CHALLENGE TO
01:34:34HAVE A GROWN-UP CONVERSATION TO
01:34:43FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE RESOLVE IT. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THIS COMMITTEE TO BEING ABLE TO PULL
01:34:46TOGETHER A NONPARTISAN COMMISSION MADE UP OF MEMBERS TO
01:34:48BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS THAT
01:34:51SPEND A LOT OF TIME DIGGING IN ON THE ISSUES OF SOCIAL
01:34:54SECURITY, AND SOME THAT DO NOT.
01:34:58AND TO BE ABLE TO PULL THE PEOPLE TOGETHER THAT HAVE AN
01:35:00INVESTMENT IN THE TIME AND DETAILS OF WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE TO DO THAT ON BOTH SIDES OF
01:35:03THE AISLE I THINK IS BENEFICIAL TO DO THAT AND ALLOW THEIR GROUP
01:35:07TO DO THE WORK, BRING IT BACK TO
01:35:10THE REST OF THE BODY, AND HAVE A VOTE. THAT IS THE WAY OFTEN THESE
01:35:12DIFFICULT CHALLENGES HAPPEN.
01:35:15I WAS PART OF A SMALL GROUP THAT
01:35:17MET WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA YEARS
01:35:21AGO WHEN THE HOUSE CHANGED OVER, AND IT WAS A REPUBLICAN HOUSE, DEMOCRATIC SENATE, AND
01:35:25DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT.
01:35:30NOW, IT WELL KNOWN AROUND THIS TOWN THAT HARD ISSUES ARE DONE WHEN THERE IS BIPARTISAN
01:35:34DIFFERENCES IN HOUSE, SENATE,
01:35:38AND THE WHITE HOUSE, AND SOME GAP THERE.
01:35:42I WAS PART OF THAT GROUP THAT SAT DOWN WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA
01:35:45THAT WE HAVE A REPUBLICAN HOUSE, DEMOCRATIC SENATE, DEMOCRATIC
01:35:48WHITE HOUSE, THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL TIME TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF
01:35:52THESE HARD ISSUES LIKE THIS. HIS RESPONSE TO ME IN THAT PRIVATE CONVERSATION, WHICH I
01:35:54HAVE TALKED ABOUT SINCE THEN,
01:36:00WAS "I DIDN'T CAMPAIGN ON THIS. THIS IS NOT WHAT I CAMPAIGNED ON, WE ARE NOT GOING TO WORK ON THIS."
01:36:04IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO ON THIS.
01:36:07WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE A WHITE HOUSE AND A CONGRESS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THIS.
01:36:11BUT WE ALSO NEED OUTSIDE GROUPS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS. MS. LEAMOND, THANK YOU FOR THE
01:36:14WORK YOU HAVE DONE.
01:36:16THERE ARE A LOT OF SENIORS IN MY
01:36:19STATE. IF I COULD RAISE SOMETHING TO
01:36:22YOU, WE NEED TO HAVE GOOD, HONEST I LIKE THAT DOESN'T START
01:36:26WITH PEOPLE BEING AFRAID THAT I'M GOING TO GO ATTACK SENIORS.
01:36:28IF I GO ON THE AARP'S WEBSITE
01:36:40TODAY, IT SAYS "TELL CONGRESS, DON'T CUT OUR SOCIAL SECURITY. SOCIAL SECURITY DIDN'T CAUSE THE NATION'S DEBT, WE PAID FOR SOCIAL SECURITY THROUGH OUR
01:36:44PAYCHECKS.
01:36:47HOWEVER, SOME ARE CALLING FOR A COMMISSION THAT COULD CUT SOCIAL SECURITY IN ORDER TO REDUCE OUR COUNTRY'S DEBT.
01:36:50THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. WE WON'T LET LAWMAKERS TAKE THE
01:36:54MONEY WE HAVE EARNED OVER OUR LIFETIME. CONTACT YOUR MEMBER OF
01:36:58CONGRESS." NOW, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS
01:37:01HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE STABILIZE THIS PROGRAM. BUT WHAT YOUR ENTITY IS DOING IS
01:37:04TELLING PEOPLE TO CALL MY OFFICE
01:37:09AND SAY "STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS." WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS. I SHOULD LISTEN TO SENATOR SANDERS AND HIS IDEAS ON THIS.
01:37:13I SHOULD LISTEN TO SENATOR WYDEN AND HIS IDEAS ON THIS. THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO MINE.
01:37:15WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
01:37:22BUT THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT SAYS "DON'T LET THEM TALK ABOUT THIS." SIX YEARS FROM NOW WE GO
01:37:25INSOLVENT.
01:37:29I HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH
01:37:35THE AARP LEADERSHIP IN MY STATE.
01:37:36KEEPS ME INFORMED.
01:37:41TERRIFIC ADVOCATE FOR SENIORS IN MY STATE. THAT'S GREAT.
01:37:45BUT WE NEED OUTSIDE ENTITIES THAT SAY PLEASE TELL CONGRESS TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE HARD CONVERSATIONS TO SOLVE THIS, NOT DON'T TALK.
01:37:48THAT IS MY CONCERN ON THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A NATIONAL
01:37:52ALLY ON THIS AS WELL, TO SAY LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. THIS COMMITTEE IS ANOTHER WAY TO
01:37:55DO IT.
01:37:58AT THE END, CONGRESS STILL HAS TO VOTE. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
01:38:01BE ABLE TO HEAR THIS OUT. BUT LONG-TERM WE HAVE GOT TO FIGURE IT OUT.
01:38:05IS THAT AN UNFAIR REQUEST? MS. LEAMOND: WE WILL MEET YOU WITH THAT REQUEST.
01:38:07I BELIEVE THAT COMMUNICATION WAS
01:38:10REALLY GEARED TOWARD A COMMISSION, WHICH WE DO NOT SUPPORT.
01:38:14WE SUPPORT THE KIND OF BIPARTISAN DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE
01:38:16IN THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND ELSEWHERE, AND TO WORK
01:38:19INDIVIDUALLY.
01:38:26SEN. LANKFORD: BUT A COMMISSION WOULD HAVE BIPARTISAN MEMBERS, INCLUDING NUMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE. IT IS THE WAY HARD THINGS HAVE
01:38:30BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
01:38:33MS. LEAMOND: YEAH, WELL, WE HAVEN'T SUPPORTED COMMISSIONS
01:38:36OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, AND ALSO
01:38:40THE FAST-TRACK AUTHORITY INVOLVED IN THAT, BELIEVING THAT
01:38:44THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH THROUGH REGULAR ORDER. SEN. LANKFORD: WHAT IS FUNNY TO
01:38:48ME IS MOST PIECES OF LEGISLATION IN THE TIME I HAVE BEEN IN
01:38:52CONGRESS, WHEN THE COMMISSION IS AT WORK, I HAVE TO CALL SOMEBODY IN ONE OF THE OUTSIDE
01:38:55ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE THEY SEE
01:39:00THE TEXT BEFORE I DO.
01:39:02THERE IS A LOT OF IN AND OUT CONVERSATIONS.
01:39:06SO ANY WORK LIKE THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN IN A DARK BACKROOM THAT
01:39:09IS SMOKE-FILLED. I DON'T LIKE SMOKE ANYWAY. IT'S GOING TO BE IN CONVERSATION
01:39:13WITH OUTSIDE GROUPS WITH PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BE ENGAGED.
01:39:17MY ENCOURAGEMENT WOULD BE TO
01:39:21FIND A WAY TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THIS, NOT JUST DISCOURAGE ANYONE FROM TALKING ABOUT IT. SEN. WYDEN: SENATOR SANDERS. SEN. SANDERS: THANK YOU, MR.
01:39:25CHAIRMAN, AND THANK YOU, PANELISTS, FOR BEING HERE.
01:39:29SENATOR LANKFORD IS RIGHT, WE
01:39:30SHOULD WORK TOGETHER AND TALK TO
01:39:34EACH OTHER.
01:39:36BUT I THINK IN THAT DISCUSSION, WE HAVE TO TAKE A BROAD LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COUNTRY
01:39:40TODAY.
01:39:43IT GOES BEYOND SOCIAL SECURITY. WHAT IS THE REALITY OF AMERICAN SOCIETY TODAY?
01:39:48I DON'T HAVE TO TELL ANYBODY ON THE PANEL THAT WE HAVE MILLIONS OF SENIORS WHO ARE STRUGGLING.
01:39:52I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT HALF OF SENIORS TRYING TO MAKE IT ON
01:39:57$30,000 A YEAR OR LESS. ONE OUT OF THREE ARE STRUGGLING ECONOMICALLY.
01:40:01UNBELIEVABLY, SENATOR LANKFORD,
01:40:04IT'S REALLY QUITE UNBELIEVABLE, SOMETHING LIKE 20% OF SENIORS IN AMERICA ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT ON
01:40:08$15,000 A YEAR. I MEAN, THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
01:40:11I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY SURVIVES ON THAT.
01:40:14BUT WITHIN THAT REALITY OF SO
01:40:18MANY OF OUR SENIORS STRUGGLING, THERE IS ANOTHER REALITY THAT
01:40:20HAS TO BE PLACED ON THE TABLE.
01:40:22AND THAT IS TODAY WE HAVE MORE WEALTH INEQUALITY THAN WE HAVE
01:40:26EVER HAD IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. REMEMBER THE GILDED AGE?
01:40:31ROCKEFELLER AND JP CARNEGIE? MUCH WORSE RIGHT NOW. IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT
01:40:35SAVING SOCIAL SECURITY, YOU'VE GOT TO THROW THAT INTO THE HOPPER.
01:40:39AS SENATOR WARREN WAS SAYING,
01:40:42LEGISLATION I HAVE WHICH IS CALLED THE SOCIAL SECURITY
01:40:46EXPANSION ACT IS NOT COMPLICATED.
01:40:47YOU WANT BIPARTISANSHIP? REPUBLICANS SUPPORT IT OUTSIDE
01:40:51OF HERE, IN THE REAL WORLD. DEMOCRATS SUPPORT IT COME
01:40:55INDEPENDENTS SUPPORT IT. NOT VERY COMPLICATED.
01:40:59SHOULD ELON MUSK PAY THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF HIS INCOME -- HE DOESN'T PAY ANY -- INTO THE
01:41:01SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND AS A FIREMAN OR NURSE?
01:41:04ANYBODY THINK THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE?
01:41:06NOBODY DOES.
01:41:11AND THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THE PEOPLE ON TOP HAVE NEVER HAD IT
01:41:14SO GOOD AND SENIORS ARE STRUGGLING.
01:41:17WE'VE GOT TO DO WHAT SENIOR ADVOCATES FOR YEARS HAVE SAID.
01:41:19LIFT THAT CAP.
01:41:23AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE DO THAT,
01:41:27IN 2023, THE CHIEF ACTUARY OF
01:41:30THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION FOUND WE COULD EXTEND THE LIFE OF SOCIAL SECURITY FOR 75 YEARS.
01:41:33THAT IS PRETTY GOOD, SENATOR LANKFORD.
01:41:37YOU COULD INCREASE BENEFITS BY
01:41:39$2400 A YEAR.
01:41:42SO WE ARE DOING TWO THINGS. HELPING SENIORS TRYING TO GET
01:41:45BY, AND EXPANDING THE SOLVENCY
01:41:49IN SOCIAL SECURITY. AND WE DO THAT WITHOUT RAISING TAXES BY ONE PENNY ON THE 90% OF
01:41:53AMERICANS WHO EARN LESS THAN
01:41:56$250,000 A YEAR. I WOULD SAY TO MY FRIEND SENATOR
01:42:01LANKFORD, THAT HAS GOT TO BE THROWN INTO THE HOPPER. YOU CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT SOCIAL
01:42:04SECURITY IN ISOLATION. LET ME TAKE A MOMENT TO ASK A
01:42:07FEW QUESTIONS TO SOME OF OUR
01:42:08PANELISTS HERE.
01:42:12PLEASE, BRIEF ANSWER. I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME. DO YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD INCREASE THE RETIREMENT AGE?
01:42:16MS. VALLAS? MS. VALLAS: OUR RESEARCH FINDS
01:42:20AMERICANS STRONGLY OPPOSE RAISING THE RETIREMENT AGE. MS. LEAMOND: NO.
01:42:23MR. BLAHOUS: YES.
01:42:26MR. GOLDWEIN: YES, AMERICANS ARE
01:42:31LIVING LONGER, AND RAISING THE AGE IS PART OF IT CONFERENCE A PACKAGE TO HELP PEOPLE BUILD
01:42:35MORE WEALTH, GET MORE BENEFITS. SEN. SANDERS: I WOULD JUST SAY
01:42:39IN RESPONSE TO THAT, HALF OF ALL OLDER WORKERS TODAY HAVE NOTHING
01:42:43IN SAVINGS AS THEY FACE RETIREMENT.
01:42:47SECOND QUESTION IS DO YOU BELIEVE WE SHOULD CONSIDER CAPPING OR REDUCING SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:42:51MS. VALLAS: OUR RESEARCH FINDS THAT AMERICANS STRONGLY OPPOSE DOING THAT.
01:42:55MS. LEAMOND: WE WOULD OPPOSE AS WELL. MR. BLAHOUS: I AM OPEN TO IT.
01:43:00MR. GOLDWEIN: IF THE CURRENT
01:43:03INFLATION OVERSTATES INFLATION
01:43:07-- IF WE CAP FOR THE HIGHEST
01:43:15EARNERS, IT IS A SMART IDEA THAT CAN EXTEND SOLVENCY. SEN. SANDERS: MS. VALLAS, DO YOU
01:43:17BELIEVE IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT ELON MUSK, THE WEALTHIEST MAN
01:43:21ALIVE, PAYS THE SAME AMOUNT OF
01:43:22TAXES IN SOCIAL SECURITY AS
01:43:27SOMEONE WHO MAKES $184,000 A YEAR? MS. VALLAS: AMERICANS ACROSS PARTY LINES THINGS THAT DOESN'T
01:43:31MAKE A LOT OF SENSE, AND I HAVE IN-LAWS IN MY FAMILY WHO SUPPORTED THIS CURRENT
01:43:34PRESIDENT, AND THE FIRST THING THEY ASKED ME WHEN THEY FOUND OUT WHEN I DO IS, WHY HASN'T CONGRESS DEALT WITH THE PAYROLL
01:43:37TAX CAP YET?
01:43:40MS. LEAMOND: WE SUPPORT LOOKING
01:43:45AT RAISING THE PAYROLL TAX.
01:43:48THAT IS PART OF WHAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT IF WE TALK ABOUT NOT CUTTING BENEFITS. MR. BLAHOUS: I THINK A
01:43:51COMPREHENSIVE BIPARTISAN SOLUTION WOULD REQUIRE RAISING THE CAP.
01:43:54MR. GOLDWEIN: I THINK WE SHOULD
01:43:58LOOK AT RAISING THE CAP AND ALSO CAPPING BENEFITS.
01:44:02THAT CAN EXCEED $100,000 FOR THE WEALTHIEST SENIOR COUPLES. SEN. SANDERS: THANK YOU ALL VERY
01:44:06MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. CHAIR CRAPO: THANK YOU, SENATOR. SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO.
01:44:10SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
01:44:15THE DISCUSSION AROUND SOCIAL
01:44:18SECURITY SOLVENCY TENDS TO FOCUS ON TWO THINGS, COST SAVINGS AND
01:44:21PROGRAM EFFICIENCY. WHILE IT WOULD NOT DIRECTLY IMPACT THE TRUST FUND COMPANY ON
01:44:27-- TRUST FUND, ONE PROPOSAL
01:44:30WOULD BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IS REFORMING THE ASSET LIMITS THAT
01:44:35PREVENT LOW-INCOME SENIORS AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES FROM BUILDING EVEN MODEST SAVINGS.
01:44:38THAT IS WHY I INTRODUCED WITH MY
01:44:39GOOD FRIEND OVER THERE, SENATOR
01:44:42CASSIDY, THE SSI SAVINGS PENALTY
01:44:44ELIMINATION ACT. THE BILL WOULD MODERNIZE ASSET
01:44:48LIMITS AND EMPOWER SSI
01:44:52RECIPIENTS TO WORK, SAVE, AND BETTER PLAN FOR THEIR FUTURE. MS. VALLAS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW
01:44:56THE ACT WOULD IMPROVE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SSI
01:44:59PROGRAM, AND WHY IT IS IMPORTANT
01:45:01TO INCLUDE SSI IN THE BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT STRENGTHENING
01:45:05SOCIAL SECURITY?
01:45:07MS. VALLAS: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS
01:45:11ISSUE, AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY, SENATOR LANKFORD, SENATOR
01:45:15CASSIDY, SENATOR WYDEN, EVERYONE ON THIS COMMITTEE WHO HAS SUPPORTED THAT PIECE OF
01:45:19LEGISLATION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
01:45:21THE LAST TIME THAT SSI'S ASSET LIMITS WERE INCREASED EVEN FOR
01:45:24INFLATION WAS 1984. THAT HAPPENS TO BE THE YEAR I WAS BORN.
01:45:28SO IT HAS BEEN A MINUTE. PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO SAVE EVEN MODEST AMOUNTS OF SAVING, EVEN
01:45:34$2000 FOR AN INDIVIDUAL.
01:45:35IT IS TRAPPING PEOPLE AT A LEVEL WHERE DIGNITY ISN'T EVEN WITHIN
01:45:39REACH. WHAT THAT PIECE OF LEGISLATION WOULD DO -- AND I SHOULD NOTE OUR POLLING FINDS THAT MORE THAN
01:45:44TWO THIRDS OF AMERICANS ACROSS PARTY LINES SUPPORT RAISING MORE
01:45:48FOR EVEN ELIMINATING SSI'S SAVINGS PENALTIES.
01:45:51WHEN IT WOULD DO IS ADDRESS WHAT
01:45:56MY COLLEAGUE JASON FICKNER, WHO HELPED LEAD SOCIAL SECURITY UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH, HAS CALLED THE MOST PROGRESSIVE
01:46:00ANTI-SAVINGS POLICY IN FEDERAL LAW.
01:46:03IT WOULD ALSO BE A WIN-WIN FOR THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION, BECAUSE IT WOULD
01:46:07RELIEVE A COSTLY,
01:46:11ADMINISTRATIVELY BURDENSOME RULE FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY RUN.
01:46:16THIS IS A COMMON-SENSE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS OTHER
01:46:20LONG OUTDATED RULES IN SSI THAT NEED TO BE UPDATED, AND I'M GLAD
01:46:22TO SEE THIS COMMITTEE START TO PAY BIPARTISAN ATTENTION.
01:46:26SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: MS. LEAMOND, YOU WOULD AGREE WITH THAT? MS. LEAMOND: WE SUPPORT THAT AS
01:46:28WELL.
01:46:35SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: THANK YOU. CONGRESS HAS NOT ACTED ON RECOMMENDATIONS OF A PRESIDENTIAL COMMISSION SINCE
01:46:381983. 1983. AMERICANS WANT TO KNOW THEY CAN
01:46:41DEPEND ON THE SOCIAL SECURITY
01:46:44PROGRAM, AND YET WE HAVE GONE 43 YEARS WITHOUT PURSUING
01:46:48MEANINGFUL SOLUTIONS. WHAT BARRIERS HAVE PREVENTED
01:46:50CONGRESS FROM ACTING ON RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY
01:46:53COMMISSIONS?
01:46:56MS. LEAMOND: WELL, I THINK IT IS
01:46:58A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING ISSUE AND VERY HARD TO COME TOGETHER IN A BIPARTISAN WAY TO ADDRESS
01:47:02IT.
01:47:03WE ARE NOW AT A POINT WHERE I
01:47:08THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE TIME HAS COME WHEN IT MUST BE
01:47:10ADDRESSED.
01:47:14AND OUR PREFERENCE IS NOT A COMMISSION.
01:47:18IT IS TO COME WITH REGULAR ORDER
01:47:20TO THE SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE,
01:47:22HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE,
01:47:30DEBATE, REVIEW ALL OF THE PROPOSALS. THERE ARE MANY PROPOSALS TO MAKE SOCIAL SECURITY MORE SECURE. SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: THOSE
01:47:34PROPOSALS ARE BIPARTISAN, CORRECT?
01:47:35MS. LEAMOND: PARDON ME?
01:47:40SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: THEY ARE BIPARTISAN, CORRECT? MS. LEAMOND: MANY OF THEM ARE BIPARTISAN WITHIN THE CONGRESS.
01:47:45MEMBERS WHO HAVE COME TOGETHER AND WORK ON VARIOUS APPROACHES. SOME ARE NOT, BUT MANY ARE
01:47:49BIPARTISAN. SEN. CORTEZ MASTO: THANK YOU. MR. GOLDWEIN, THIS YEAR'S
01:47:53ANNUAL SOCIAL SECURITY TRUSTEE
01:47:57REPORT CITED HR 1 AS ONE OF THREE FACTORS THAT INCREASE TO THE ACTUARIAL DEFICIT OF THE
01:47:59SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.
01:48:01IN FACT, THIS LAW, WHICH ALL BUT
01:48:06ONE OF MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ON THIS COMMITTEE VOTED FOR, ACCOUNTS FOR 25% OF THIS
01:48:11INCREASE, THE LARGEST SINGLE-YEAR CHANGE IN ACTUARIAL BALANCE IN OVER 30 YEARS.
01:48:13MR. GOLDWEIN, CAN YOU TELL US
01:48:17WHAT HR 1 HAS DONE TO ACCELERATE SOCIAL SECURITY INSOLVENCY? AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR
01:48:21BENEFICIARIES LONG-TERM? MR. GOLDWEIN: ONE SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR SOCIAL SECURITY IS
01:48:24THE INCOME TAXATION OF BENEFITS.
01:48:27I BELIEVE AARP SUPPORTED A
01:48:30PROVISION IN THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL THAT REDUCED TAXATION BENEFITS BY EXPANDING
01:48:35-- EXPANDING THE SENIOR DEDUCTION.
01:48:40THAT COME IN ADDITION TO THE LOWER RATES, MEANS WE ARE GETTING LESS MONEY COMING INTO THE TRUST FUND, WHICH BRINGS
01:48:48-- I KNOW MY TIME IS UP. WE NEED BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS.
01:48:51WE HAVE TO FIX THIS. THAT MEANS WORKING TOGETHER.
01:48:55AND I KNOW WORKING TOGETHER,
01:48:59THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT IDEAS IF WE WOULD JUST MAKE THIS A FOCUS
01:49:02AND A PRIORITY, WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE. THANK YOU ALL FOR STAYING IN
01:49:06THIS FIGHT. >> THANK YOU SENATOR CORTEZ MASTO.
01:49:11WE HAVE A VOTE.
01:49:14EXPECT ANY OTHER SENATORS TO
01:49:16SHOW UP BEFORE I WRAP UP THE HEARING TODAY.
01:49:19I WANT TO THANK OUR WITNESSES FOR APPEARING TODAY.
01:49:22WITH I REMIND MY COLLEAGUES THE DEADLINE FOR SUBMITTING ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
01:49:25RECORD IS 5:00 P.M. ON
01:49:30WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 12. WITH THAT, THE COMMITTEE IS ADJOURNED.
01:49:36-- SORRY, WE JUST ADJOURNED.
01:49:40>> HE STOLE MY GAVEL.
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