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Manhattan Institute fellow Rafael Mangual discussed a new Council on Criminal Justice report on mid-year crime trends in U.S. cities.<br /><br />Sponsor: C-SPAN | Washington Journal

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00:00:00THEATER IN WASHINGTON, D.C., FOR
00:00:03A LIVELY DISCUSSION ON THE LEGACY AND MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT
00:00:05MARY TODD LINCOLN AND THE PRESIDENCY OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
00:00:08>> YOU DECIDED TO WRITE A BOOK
00:00:10ON MARY TODD LINCOLN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN'S ONLY WIFE.
00:00:16WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO WRITE A BOOK?
00:00:18WHAT WAS YOUR CONCERN ABOUT HER REPUTATION THAT LED YOU TO WRITE THIS BOOK?
00:00:21>> THAT SHE WAS JUDGED BY SOME
00:00:26OF HER FLAWS, AND NO ONE SHOULD
00:00:29BE JUDGED BY ONLY HER FLAWS.
00:00:32FROM THE BEGINNING, I FELT MUCH
00:00:34COMPASSION, AND BY THE END, I
00:00:36JUST FELT SO DEEPLY FOR HER.
00:00:39DURING THE COURSE OF HER LIFE,
00:00:42SHE LOST THREE CHILDREN BEFORE
00:00:4418 AND HER HUSBAND WAS SHOT IN FRONT OF HER AND SHE LOST HER
00:00:48MOTHER AT SIX, AND SHE WENT
00:00:50THROUGH A CIVIL WAR AND HALF OF HER FAMILY, ACTUALLY, MORE THAN
00:00:53HALF OF HER FAMILY WAS FIGHTING
00:00:55FOR THE CONFEDERACY AND SHE
00:00:58RECEIVED NO SYMPATHY OR EMPATHY FROM ANYONE.
00:01:01>> WATCH AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB
00:01:04SUNDAY AT 6:00 P.M. AND 9:00 P.M. EASTERN AND PACIFIC ONLY ON
00:01:08C-SPAN.
00:01:13♪
00:01:57HOST: REMIND OUR AUDIENCE WHAT
00:02:01IS YOUR MISSION IS, AND WHO IT WORKS WITH AND HOW IT IS FUNDED.
00:02:05GUEST: THE MANHATTAN INSTITUTE IS A PUBLIC POLICY THINK TANK WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THEY HAVE
00:02:09A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT POLICY AREAS. WE HAVE A NATIONAL FOCUS BASED
00:02:12IN NEW YORK. I SPECIFICALLY COVER POLICING
00:02:16PUBLIC SAFETY, AND THE INSTITUTE
00:02:19IS PRIVATELY FUNDED, MOSTLY PHILANTHROPIC DOLLARS.
00:02:23HOST: YOU ARE ALSO A MEMBER ON
00:02:27THE COUNCIL OF JUSTICE AND RICHLY RELEASED A REPORT ON
00:02:30MIDYEAR. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TURNED HIS
00:02:34CRACKDOWN ON CRIME AS A REASON
00:02:37IN THE CRIME.
00:02:40WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT REPORT?
00:02:42GUEST: IT IS EXPECTED TO ADMINISTER SHE WILL TRY TO TAKE
00:02:46CREDIT FOR THE THINGS HAPPENING UNDER HIS WATCH AND THERE IS
00:02:48GOOD EVIDENCE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE
00:02:51NATIONAL CRIME DECLINE WITH ITS EFFORTS PARTICULARLY IN CITIES
00:02:55LIKE WASHINGTON, D.C., MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE. BUT LOOKING FOR A SINGULAR
00:03:00REASON TO EXPLAINING A BROAD NATIONAL TREND. THIS WILL PROBABLY COME UP
00:03:03EMPTY-HANDED. THESE ARE MULTI-PICTORIAL PROBLEMS THAT HAVE A LOT OF
00:03:07DIFFERENT FACTORS AND DIFFERENT WEIGHTS AND DIFFERENT POWER.
00:03:11IT IS LARGELY A COMBINATION OF A BUNCH OF THINGS POLICY RELATED
00:03:14AND NOT POLICY RELATED. HOST: TALK ABOUT THAT REPORT.
00:03:17WHICH CRIMES DID WE SEE DROP? WHICH DID WE SEE INCREASE?
00:03:22OVERALL, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2025?
00:03:25GUEST: IT IS A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE.
00:03:29THE HOMICIDE DROPS ARE MOST IMPRESSIVE BECAUSE WE ARE ON TRACK TO SET A NEW RECORD IN
00:03:33THIS COUNTRY, WHICH IS FANTASTIC.
00:03:36NINE OF THE 13 CATEGORIES THEY TRACK ARE MOVING DOWNWARD.
00:03:41WE SAW A BIG INCREASE IN DRUG OFFENSES, WHICH IS CONCERNING.
00:03:47BUT IT IS A REALLY POSITIVE TREND. YOU ARE LOOKING AT CRIMES OF
00:03:50ROBBERY AND GUN ASSAULT MOVING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY. ROBBERY ALSO.
00:03:56YOU DON'T SEE FELONY ASSAULTS IN GENERAL MOVED OUT AS MUCH, WHICH
00:03:59IS CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE BROADER TRENDS POST-PANDEMIC
00:04:03IN TERMS OF HOW WE BEHAVE NATURALLY.
00:04:13PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MORE TIME AT HOME AND DRIPPING LESS SO THIS
00:04:17PRESENTS THE OPPORTUNITY BUT WE ARE STILL NOT SEEING A MASSIVE DECLINE IN FELONY ASSAULTS,
00:04:20WHICH IS CONCERNING BECAUSE IF
00:04:23YOU ADJUST FOR THE TIME WE SPENT IN THE STREET WHERE WE MIGHT BE
00:04:27VICTIMIZED, THE RISK IS A LOT HIGHER THAN THE NUMBERS WHICH ADJUST.
00:04:30BUT STILL, HOMICIDE DECLINE IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ABSOLUTELY CELEBRATED.
00:04:34SOME OF THESE OTHER CATEGORY DECLINES ARE LESS SURPRISING.
00:04:36RESIDENTIAL BURGLARY DECLINES.
00:04:39PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MORE TIME AT HOME.
00:04:42I THINK WE WILL SEE LESS OF IT.
00:04:43HOST: YOU SAID THERE WAS NOT A
00:04:47SINGULAR REASON FOR THIS DROP IN CRIME. BUT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS?
00:04:51I KNOW YOU SAID WERE PEOPLE IS WINNING TIME AT HOME, BUT WHAT ARE THE FACTORS LEADING TO THE
00:04:55SUBSTANTIAL DROP? GUEST: THERE ARE A BUNCH OF THINGS.
00:05:00IN A NON-POLICY BUCKET, ROUTINE ACTIVITIES THAT CHANGE THE TIME
00:05:04WE SPENT AT HOME, HOW MUCH LESS TIME WE SPENT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.
00:05:11WE ARE SEEING PEOPLE DRINK LESS. AMERICANS ARE CONSUMING ALCOHOL
00:05:15AT SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER RATES, APPROACHING A RECORD IN TERMS OF
00:05:19ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION.
00:05:21HOST: THIS AGENCY DOES NOT DRINK ALCOHOL. GUEST: THAT IS RIGHT.
00:05:24NOT ATTENDING NIGHT, BARS ARE DOWN.
00:05:30VIOLENT CRIME CATEGORIES TEND TO BE FOCUSED THERE SO THAT IS ONE THING.
00:05:34ON THE POLICY FRONT, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT TO THE RIGHT ON POLICY IN THIS COUNTRY.
00:05:43EVEN NEW YORK WITH ITS REFORM,
00:05:45YOU HAVE HAD A MASSIVE CHANGE IN
00:05:49THE PROSECUTOR MOVEMENT.
00:05:50FROM 2014 TO 2021, LOTS OF
00:05:55RADICAL PROGRESSIVE PROSECUTORS
00:05:56TAKING WINS IN BIG-CITY D.A. RACES.
00:06:02AT ONE POINT WE HAD ALMOST 70 MILLION AMERICANS IN AMERICA.
00:06:05THAT NUMBER HAS GONE DOWN.
00:06:07LOS ANGELES, YOU HAD A RECALL IN
00:06:13SAN FRANCISCO AND A RECALL IN
00:06:17OAKLAND AND IN BALTIMORE, MARYLAND.
00:06:24SAME THING WITH CHICAGO.
00:06:29AGAIN, BURKE HAS TAKEN A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE APPROACH.
00:06:32YOU HAVE THAT IN ATHENS, GEORGIA.
00:06:38YOU HAVE LOUISIANA ROLLING BACK JUVENILE JUSTICE REFORMS.
00:06:42TENNESSEE STOPPED INTRUSIVE SENTENCING, PUSHING THREE
00:06:44STRIKES, CHANGING ITS CONSTITUTION TO MAKE IT EASIER TO JAIL PEOPLE PRETRIAL.
00:06:49PRISON PREPARATION HAS GONE UP THE LAST FEW YEARS.
00:06:52WE HAVE DATA FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MORE THAN A DECADE. POLICE DEPARTMENT ACROSS THE
00:06:56COUNTRY ARE ASSERTING THEMSELVES . JURISDICTIONS ARE SEEING LESS
00:07:00NUMBERS GO BACK UP. NEW YORK CITY IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
00:07:04WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE TEND TO EXPECT CRIME TO COME DOWN.
00:07:08THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES IN THE 2024 CYCLE, BUT IT IS
00:07:12INTERESTING AND MIGHT BE PLAYING
00:07:14A ROLE WITH CALIFORNIA WITH PROP
00:07:1836, CRIMINALIZING SOME OF THE THEFT AND DRUG OFFENSES.
00:07:22OREGON HAD DECRIMINALIZED, RE-CRIMINALIZED THEM A COUPLE
00:07:26YEARS LATER I BELIEVE IN 2024 AS WELL.
00:07:33YOU HAVE THE ARIZONA BALLOT INITIATIVE TO MAKE PEOPLE
00:07:37ELIGIBLE FOR A TAX REBATE.
00:07:42YOU HAVE OTHER STATES BUILD OUT
00:07:45NEW FUNDING FOR THE HIRING OF
00:07:48ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS, AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE FEDERAL
00:07:51EFFORT, THE JOINT TASK FORCES IN
00:07:53D.C. AND MEMPHIS, THE IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT CAMPAIGN.
00:07:57HOST: I WANT TO INVITE OUR
00:08:00VIEWERS TO JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.
00:08:02WE HAVE RAFAEL MANGUAL HERE,
00:08:07MANHATTAN INSTITUTE, HERE TO DISCUSS A NEW COUNSEL ON
00:08:10CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM FOR
00:08:14MIDYEAR CRIME TRENDS IN THE U.S.
00:08:15CITIES AND ALSO TO DISCUSS THE
00:08:20ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS TO BRING DOWN VIOLENT CRIME. I WILL REPEAT THE LINES.
00:08:23REPUBLICANS, YOUR LIGHT IS -- LI
00:08:26NE IS (202) 748-8001.DEMOCRATS
00:08:30, (202) 748-8000.
00:08:34INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002. YOU CAN ALSO REACH US BY TEXT MESSAGE.
00:08:37THAT NUMBER IS (202) 748-8003.
00:08:39OF COURSE, WE ARE ON SOCIALS,
00:08:42BOTH FACEBOOK AND X.
00:08:49WE WILL CHECK THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE SHARED WITH US BEFORE HAND.
00:08:54I WANT TO ASK, IN THIS TIME IN WHICH PEOPLE HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT
00:08:59DATA, ABOUT SURVEYS COME ABOUT THE INFORMATION THEY ARE
00:09:02RECEIVING, HOW CHALLENGING IS IT
00:09:03TO PINPOINT, ONE, WHY CRIME HAS
00:09:09INCREASED OR
00:09:15HOW DIFFICULT IS THE ACTUAL DATA GATHERING?
00:09:16GUEST: THE DATA-GATHERING HAS
00:09:19GOTTEN EASIER THE LAST FEW YEARS.
00:09:24THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT END THE
00:09:26UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING AND THAT
00:09:29WAS A CHALLENGE IN PART BECAUSE
00:09:31THE SORT OF TRANSACTION COSTS OF COMPLYING FOR SMALLER
00:09:35DEPARTMENTS WERE RAISED SIGNIFICANTLY.
00:09:39IN THE FIRST COUPLE YEARS AFTER
00:09:41THAT YOU HAD POLICE DEPARTMENTS
00:09:44FAILING TO REPORT FULLY AND THAT
00:09:47MADE IT DIFFICULT TO PUT A FINGER ON WHAT THE NATIONAL CRIME TRENDS LOOK LIKE.
00:09:53HOMICIDE AND CAR THEFTS, YO
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