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00:00:03IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NORMAL FOR HIM TO ATTEND
00:00:05BUT THERE WAS A STATEMENT SENT ON HIS BEHALF.
00:00:09THAT IS THE EXTENT WHEN IT COMES TO NEWS OUT OF KENTUCKY AND NEWS
00:00:13ON MITCH MCCONNELL. LIKE IN CALIFORNIA ONLINE FOR INDEPENDENTS.
00:00:17WE HAVE A MINUTE OR SO LEFT. TO GO AHEAD. CALLER: I JUST WANTED TO
00:00:21PEOPLE'S ATTENTION THE TRUMP
00:00:25FAMILY TRYING TO TURN WORLD
00:00:30FINANCIAL INTO A BANK. THE WORLD LIBERTY FINANCIAL COIN
00:00:33IS WORTH LESS THAN SEVEN CENTS.
00:00:38ALSO, THE TRUMP PEOPLE THINK
00:00:42TRUMP IS OUT TO HELP KIDS AND STUFF, BUT HIS ADMINISTRATION
00:00:46JUST APPROVED THE USE OF
00:00:48FLAVORED VAPES AGAIN.
00:00:52THAT IS DIRECTLY AFFECTING KIDS.
00:00:55I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP IS GETTING KICKBACKS ON ALL THESE VANITY PROJECTS.
00:01:01THAT'S WHY THE CONTRACTOR THAT
00:01:03PUT IN THE REFLECTING POOL IS
00:01:06NOT BEING SUED RIGHT NOW AND
00:01:12BEING FORCED TO REPAIR THAT. ALSO --
00:01:15HOST: APOLOGIZE, MIKE.
00:01:19WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS IT FOR OUR PROGRAM TODAY.
00:01:23NEW EDITION OF "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" COMES YOUR WAY AT 7:00
00:01:26A.M. TOMORROW MORNING. WE WILL SEE YOU THERE. ♪
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00:01:41HOST: WELCOME TO CEASEFIRE,
00:01:45WHERE WE LOOK TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN AMERICAN POLITICS.
00:01:48I AM DASHA BURNS AND JOINING ME
00:01:51FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE ARE TWO GUESTS WHO HAVE AGREED
00:01:54TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION CIVIL, EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE.
00:01:57JAMIE HARRISON AND MARK LOTTER,
00:02:05FORMER COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR DURING THE 2020 TRUMP CAMPAIGN.
00:02:08THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. GUEST: GOOD TO SEE YOU.
00:02:12HOST: THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON
00:02:15IN BOTH OF YOUR PARTIES IN THE WORLD OF PRIMARIES AND MIDTERMS.
00:02:19I WANT TO START IN FLORIDA. A MAJOR UPSET THIS WEEK, JAMIE
00:02:23AS DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ANGIE
00:02:28NIXON DEFEATED ALEX VINDMAN. HERE'S HOW AXIOS SUMS IT UP.
00:02:33ANGIE NIXON SCORES SOCIALIST BREAKTHROUGH IN TRUMP'S FLORIDA.
00:02:39SHOCKED ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS
00:02:42WHO WERE LEFT SCRAMBLING TUESDAY NIGHT TO WELCOME NIXON TO THE GENERAL ELECTION.
00:02:45AT THE SAME TIME, REPUBLICANS ARE READY TO MAKE HER A NATIONAL FIGURE.
00:02:50HOW DID NIXON PULL THIS OFF AND WERE DEMOCRATS CAUGHT OFF GUARD?
00:02:54WHAT'S NEXT YEAR? GUEST: CONGRATULATIONS TO ANGIE.
00:03:00IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE OF SHOE LEATHER.
00:03:04ANGIE WAS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN AN ORGANIZER.
00:03:06SHE KNOWS HOW TO KNOCK ON DOORS,
00:03:13GO TO PLACES AND CONNECT WITH VOTERS. SHE CLEARLY CONNECTED WITH THE
00:03:16PRIMARY VOTERS IN A WAY THAT WAS
00:03:19MUCH BETTER THAN HER OPPONENT.
00:03:24SO, KUDOS TO HER. SHE'S BRINGING AN ENERGY AND A
00:03:27FIRE AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT
00:03:31ISSUES, PARTICULARLY ISSUES OF AFFORDABILITY THAT SO MANY
00:03:34PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, AND INDEPENDENTS ARE FOCUSED ON. DASHA: DO YOU THINK SHE IS
00:03:37ULTIMATELY THE BETTER CANDIDATE FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION? WERE DEMOCRATS HOPING FOR
00:03:40VINDMAN? JAIME: YOU NEED A CANDIDATE WHO
00:03:45IS GOING TO WORK. REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE, YOU NEED A CANDIDATE WHO
00:03:47IS NOT AFRAID TO GO OUT THERE TO TALK TO THE VOTERS.
00:03:51SHE IS BRINGING A DIFFERENT KIND
00:03:53OF ENERGY THAN ALEX DID.
00:03:57I THINK IT IS EMBOLDENED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS ABOUT THAT ENERGY FOR THE BASE
00:04:01OF YOUR PARTY AND GETTING THOSE
00:04:02FOLKS TO THE POLLS.
00:04:06FRANKLY SHE DID A BETTER JOB OF DOING THAT AND HOPEFULLY SHE CAN BRING MORE OF THAT ENERGY INTO
00:04:10THE GENERAL ELECTION.
00:04:12NOT ONLY WILL SHE HELD HERSELF,
00:04:17-- HELP HERSELF, BUT OTHER CANDIDATES ON THE BALLOT AS
00:04:21WELL. DASHA: EVERY REPUBLICAN I TALK TO IS EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM. DOES THAT APPLY FOR FLORIDA AND
00:04:25THIS RACE TOO?
00:04:26MARC: ABSOLUTELY.
00:04:35I THINK THIS IS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD THOUGH. I DIDN'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAD CHANCE OF TAKING THE SEAT FROM ASHLEY MOODY OR FLIPPING THE
00:04:39GOVERNOR'S RACE IN FLORIDA. ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE, THIS WILL ALLOW DEMOCRATS TO STOP WASTING
00:04:42MONEY IN FLORIDA AND MOVE IT TO OTHER RACES WHERE THEY MIGHT
00:04:45HAVE A BETTER SHOT. I THINK ALSO ON THE CONTRARY, IT'S GOING TO ALLOW REPUBLICANS
00:04:49NATIONALLY TO LUMP NIXON ALONG
00:04:52WITH ABDUL EL-SAYED, ALONG WITH THE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN NOMINATED OUT OF NEW YORK,
00:04:56ALTOGETHER AND PAINT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AS A SOCIALIST
00:04:58PARTY AS A WHOLE.
00:05:11I THINK THERE ARE GOOD THINGS FOR BOTH SIDES WITH THIS.
00:05:14DASHA: THE RESULTS HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP IN TERMS OF THE PROGRESSIVE VERSUS MODERATE FIGHT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
00:05:17EVEN IN FLORIDA YOU HAD SOME CANDIDATES PUNCH BACK AGAINST THE DSA. REPRESENTATIVE JARED MOSKOWITZ
00:05:21ENDED UP BEATING A DSA CANDIDATE IN FLORIDA'S 25TH DISTRICT.
00:05:24HERE IS WHAT WE WROTE IN THE
00:05:30PLAYBOOK THIS WEEK. MOSCOWITZ BECAME THE LATEST
00:05:32MODERATE DEMOCRAT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST
00:05:36SURGE, EYEING A WASHINGTON SIZE ROLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S CIVIL WAR. HE SAID, FLORIDA IS KNOWN FOR
00:05:40HURRICANES, AND SO THE DSA IS A
00:05:43DISASTER AREA IN FLORIDA AND
00:05:47THERE IS NO FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT COMING FOR THESE PEOPLE. HE ALSO SAID THAT SOME OF THESE
00:05:52FOLKS WHO HAVE WON AND ARE GOING
00:05:54TO CONGRESS ARE ANTI-AMERICAN.
00:05:58WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME,
00:05:59MOSCOWITZ HAS BEEN PUSHING BACK
00:06:05HARD. ALSO YOU HAD DEBBIE WASSERMAN
00:06:07SCHULTZ SAY SHE IS DISAVOWING
00:06:11THE DSA. I HAVE HEARD SOME DEMOCRATS SAY THIS ENERGY IS GREAT, LET'S MAKE THIS A BIG TENT PARTY.
00:06:15THEN YOU HAVE FOLKS LIKE
00:06:19MOSCOWITZ AND OTHERS SAYING, WE ARE GOING TO WAR WITH HIS FACTION. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
00:06:23JAIME: WELL, LISTEN, FOR ME I'M A DEMOCRAT, NOT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST.
00:06:26I SAID THAT BEFORE. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN ANY OF THESE ELECTION CYCLES CHANGED
00:06:29THAT. THERE IS CERTAIN THINGS I AM
00:06:33FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO AS IT
00:06:37RELATES TO WHERE THE DSA IS ON SOME MAJOR ISSUES. FRANKLY THAT I THINK MAINSTREAM
00:06:41AMERICA IS AGAINST.
00:06:46EVEN SOME OF THE DSA CANDIDATES SEEM TO BE AGAINST THE NATIONAL PLATFORM THAT IS COMING OUT.
00:06:50THE THING ABOUT GETTING RID OF
00:06:56PRISONS AND DEFUNDING THE POLICE AND A WHOLE HOST OF THINGS. GETTING RID OF THE U.S. SENATE.
00:06:59IT'S JUST THINGS THAT
00:07:04FUNDAMENTALLY DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHERE AMERICA IS.
00:07:07DASHA: DO YOU THINK THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS BIG ENOUGH FOR THE DSA OR IS THAT A FACTION THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T BELONG?
00:07:12JAIME: I THINK WE ARE A BIG TENT
00:07:13PARTY.
00:07:18I HAVE WORKED WITH FOLKS WHO ARE VERY PROGRESSIVE AND DEMOCRATS WHO ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE. FROM THE BLUE DOGS TO THE
00:07:21PROGRESSIVES.
00:07:31THE REAL THING IS IT'S BUILDING A COALITION THAT WE CAN FIND SOME COMMONALITY AND COMMON GOALS.
00:07:35THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WILL
00:07:40GO TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME PEOPLE WANT US TO GO OR PULL BACK TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME
00:07:43PEOPLE WANT US TO. IT IS FINDING THAT COALITION
00:07:46THAT CAN GOVERN, THAT CAN MOVE THE COUNTRY FORWARD TO MAKE PROGRESS AND ADDRESS THESE
00:07:50ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
00:07:52AFFORDABILITY IS THAT PROBLEM.
00:07:56PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN PUT FOOD ON THEIR TABLES AND TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILIES. AND RIGHT NOW, WITH THE
00:08:00REPUBLICANS IN CONTROL OF THE
00:08:05WHITE HOUSE, SENATE, AND HOUSE, THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. DASHA: THE GOP UNDER TRUMP, ESPECIALLY IN 2024, DID EXPAND
00:08:09THE TENT.
00:08:11HOW ARE YOU WATCHING WHAT IS
00:08:15GOING ON ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE, AND HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE TO BRING IN NEW COALITIONS?
00:08:19MARC: I THINK WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH IS THE SAME THING WE WENT THROUGH WHEN I WAS
00:08:22WORKING ON THE FIRST TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN 2016, WHEN YOU HAD THE DIVIDE BETWEEN THE
00:08:27TRADITIONAL OLD GUARD OF THE
00:08:35REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE NEW
00:08:39MAGA DONALD TRUMP WAY AND YOU HAD TO DO THAT. I THINK THE PROBLEMS DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO FACE IS WHEN
00:08:42NONPROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS ARE
00:08:43GOING TO BE FORCED TO ANSWER FOR
00:08:50THE POSITIONS OF THE PROGRESSIVE
00:08:53WING. AND IF THEY DISAVOW THAT, THEN YOU RUN THE RISK OF ALIENATING THE BASE OF THE PARTY, WHICH
00:08:56RIGHT NOW YOU ARE NEEDING THAT PROGRESSIVE, YOUNG, AGGRAVATED
00:08:58BASE TO GO OUT AND KNOCK ON
00:09:09DOORS TO DO THE SHOE LEATHER THINGS THAT JAIME WAS WORRIED ABOUT EARLIER. BECAUSE THAT IS WHO IS DOING IT RIGHT NOW.
00:09:13IT IS NOT THE OLDER GUARD, THE MODERATE BLUE DOGS, THE CLINTON DEMOCRATS THAT WE USED TO REMEMBER. THEY ARE ENJOYING RETIREMENT OR GETTING READY TO.
00:09:17THEY ARE NOT OUT THERE KNOCKING ON DOORS. AND YOU CAN'T ALIENATE THE BASE THAT IS. DASHA: HOW DO YOU SOLVE FOR THE
00:09:21PROBLEM MARC IS TALKING ABOUT? JAIME: ONE OF THE THINGS, RIGHT
00:09:22NOW YOU ARE SEEING A LOT OF
00:09:25STYLE OVER SUBSTANCE.
00:09:33WHAT PEOPLE WANT IS THE ENERGY TO FIGHT BACK, TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THINGS THEY ARE SEEING
00:09:37FROM THIS ADMINISTRATION AND
00:09:38CONGRESS THAT THEY JUST DON'T
00:09:42LIKE. THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO WILL FIGHT
00:09:44FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND
00:09:46THEIR COMMUNITIES. AND SO IS THAT ENERGY THAT IS
00:09:51ATTRACTING THESE FOLKS TO THE POLLS AND TO THESE CANDIDATES. I THINK MARC IS RIGHT IN THAT SOME OF THE MORE ESTABLISHED
00:09:55ELECTED OFFICIALS DO NOT HAVE THAT ENERGY ANYMORE. THEY WANT TO JUST FOCUS ON THE
00:09:58POLICY.
00:10:03BUT PEOPLE NEED BOTH. THEY NEED ENERGY AND POLICY AND THEY ARE NOT GETTING THAT FROM
00:10:05SOME OF THE INCUMBENTS.
00:10:11AND I THINK THOSE INCUMBENTS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LOSING THESE
00:10:15RACES.
00:10:16THE ONES WHO ARE STEPPING UP TO
00:10:23THE PLATE AND FIGHTING BACK AND PUSHING BACK, YOU ARE SEEING THEM WIN REELECTION IN THESE PRIMARIES.
00:10:27DASHA: JAIME, LET ME POSE A TRICKY ONE FOR YOU FOR DEMOCRATS.
00:10:29TWO MARC'S POINT ABOUT HOW DO YOU NOT ALIENATE FOLKS.
00:10:32HASAN PIKER HAS BECOME A FIGURE IN THE PARTY WHO IS CONTROVERSIAL.
00:10:37REPUBLICANS ARE KIND OF
00:10:39WEAPONIZING HIM AND TRYING TO
00:10:42HURT DEMOCRATS WITH HIS PRESENCE IN THE PARTY.
00:10:46HE WAS HELPFUL TO AL SYED, WHO WON IN MICHIGAN.
00:10:49HIS OPPONENT, WHO WAS TRYING TO
00:10:53HELP UNITE MICHIGAN DEMOCRATS
00:10:55AFTER LOSING, SAYS THERE IS NO
00:10:58PLACE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR HASAN PIKER, AND PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED TO SAY THAT HIS
00:11:02INFLUENCE ON THE PROGRESSIVE
00:11:02LEFT IS NOT A GOOD THING.
00:11:06SHOULD PARTY LEADERS FOLLOW SUIT? WHAT SHOULD YOU DO WITH A FIGURE
00:11:10LIKE HASAN PIKER WHO DOES HAVE A
00:11:15TON OF PROGRESSIVE YOUNG FOLLOWERS BUT IS ALSO SEEN AS PROBLEMATIC BY SOME DEMOCRATS? JAIME: I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF
00:11:19HASAN IS A DEMOCRAT. THAT IS THE FIRST THING. I CANNOT CONTROL OR INFLUENCE
00:11:22ANYBODY WHO IS NOT EVEN IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, AND WOULDN'T EVEN TRY TO.
00:11:25I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING.
00:11:27THE SECOND THING IS, IT'S REALLY
00:11:32IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING FOR CAMPAIGNS, THINK ABOUT THE
00:11:34PEOPLE YOU AFFILIATE WITH AND
00:11:38WHAT THAT SAYS AND THE SIGNALS IT SENDS TO OTHER FOLKS IN THE
00:11:40GENERAL ELECTORATE. BECAUSE GENERAL ELECTIONS ARE
00:11:44VERY DIFFERENT FROM PRIMARY ELECTIONS. THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING
00:11:48TO TURN THEIR HEAD FOR MIGHT NOT BE WHAT THE GENERAL ELECTORATE IS LOOKING FOR.
00:11:53YOU HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT. AGAIN, WINNING THE PRIMARY IS
00:11:57NOT THE END GOAL. THE END GOAL IS WINNING THE
00:12:01GENERAL ELECTION.
00:12:04IT'S ABOUT GETTING THE 218 VOTES IN THE HOUSE, GETTING 50 PLUS
00:12:07ONE IN THE SENATE.
00:12:23IT IS ABOUT BREAKING THE SUPER MAJORITIES AND GETTING CONTROL OF STATE LEGISLATURES.
00:12:26THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO BUILD
00:12:29COALITIONS TO DO THAT, BUILD
00:12:32GOVERNING COALITIONS.
00:12:35THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY
00:12:39DEMOCRATS, BUT INDEPENDENTS AND
00:12:42MODERATE REPUBLICANS AS WELL. THAT IS WHAT I ENCOURAGE ALL OF
00:12:45OUR CANDIDATES TO THINK ABOUT.
00:12:50HOW DO YOU BUILD A COALITION THAT CAN WIN AND GOVERN? DASHA: MARC, LET'S GO TO YOUR SIDE OF THE AISLE ON THE PRIMARY
00:12:54VERSUS GENERAL ELECTION QUESTION AND PARTICULARLY THE QUESTION OF THE TRUMP ENDORSEMENT. NO QUESTION REALLY THAT IT HAS
00:12:58BEEN A BOON TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF CANDIDATES IN THEIR PRIMARY
00:13:00ELECTION.
00:13:11THEY TRUMP ENDORSEMENT MEANS A LOT. BUT IS THAT A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION IN THE GENERAL
00:13:15ELECTION? A RECENT REUTERS IPSOS POLL OUT THIS WEEK SHOWS THAT TRUMP'S APPROVAL RATING HAS FALLEN TO
00:13:1933%, THE LOWEST OF HIS PRESIDENCY. AT THIS POINT, DO CANDIDATES
00:13:22WANT HIS ENDORSEMENT? WILL IT BE HELPFUL? MARC: I DO THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL. YOU STILL NEED THAT REPUBLICAN
00:13:26BASE TO COME OUT.
00:13:27YOU STILL NEED THE MAGA BASE TO
00:13:31SHOW UP, EVEN IN A GENERAL
00:13:32ELECTION.
00:13:36IT MAY MEAN SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IF YOU ARE RUNNING IN A CONGRESSIONAL SEAT IN
00:13:38MANHATTAN OR IN URBAN DETROIT,
00:13:42YOU MIGHT NEED TO GET THE
00:13:43ENDORSEMENT BUT IT IS NOT GOING
00:13:50TO HELP YOU IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. I THINK IT MATTERS WHERE YOU'RE
00:13:52RUNNING.
00:13:59BUT EVEN IF YOU'RE RUNNING IN A VERY DEMOCRAT DISTRICT OR A VERY TOSSUP DISTRICT, YOU STILL NEED YOUR BASE TO SHOW UP. YOU NEED YOUR BASE TO COME OUT.
00:14:03AND THEN YOU NEED TO GO FIND THE REST OF THE VOTES.
00:14:05I USED TO SAY THERE IS 40% WHO
00:14:09ARE GOING TO VOTE D AND 40% WHO ARE GOING TO VOTE R, GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND YOU NEED TO FIGHT
00:14:12FOR WHO GETS THE MAJORITY OF THE 20% IN THE MIDDLE. WHAT WILL MOVE THEM?
00:14:16TO JAIME'S POINT, THAT IS WHERE POLICY COMES IN. WHO IS GOING TO LOWER GAS PRICES OR DEAL WITH WHATEVER ISSUE?
00:14:20WHETHER IT IS THE BORDER,
00:14:27EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE. THAT IS WHERE THOSE ISSUES COME OUT. AT THE END OF THE DAY ONCE WE
00:14:30GET INTO THIS PROCESS -- BECAUSE WE ARE STILL JUST NOW FINISHING PRIMARY SEASON. THAT'S WHERE THE CANDIDATES WILL
00:14:34DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES. DASHA: DOES THE SAME APPLY TO TRUMP ACTUALLY SHOWING UP ON THE
00:14:38CAMPAIGN TRAIL? HOW MUCH OUR CANDIDATES THIRSTY
00:14:40AND REALLY WANT THE PRESIDENT TO
00:14:47CAMPAIGN WITH THEM? AND HOW SURGICAL DOES THAT DEPLOYMENT HAVE TO BE, GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST LAID OUT ABOUT THE
00:14:51DIFFERENT DYNAMICS IN DIFFERENT
00:14:52DISTRICTS AND STATES?
00:14:59MARC: I THINK IT'S VERY
00:15:00STRATEGIC.
00:15:04I HAVE ZERO DOUBT.
00:15:06I WAS ON THAT SIDE IN THE
00:15:09CAMPAIGN IN 2016, IN 2020. YOU HAVE THE NRSC, THE HOUSE AND
00:15:13SENATE CAMPAIGN ARMS, THEY ARE TELLING THE WHITE HOUSE, THE CANDIDATES, WHERE DO I THINK YOU CAN BE MOST BENEFICIAL? AND IT MAY NOT BE IN A TOSSUP
00:15:17STATE. IT MAY BE A SLIGHTLY RED STATE. OR IT COULD BE THAT TOSSUP STATE THAT WE KNOW IF YOU GIVE JUST
00:15:21THE RIGHT JUMP TO IN THE RIGHT MARKET, THAT'S GOING TO DRIVE
00:15:23TURNOUT WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE
00:15:33-- NEED IT TO BE DRIVEN OUT.
00:15:39THEY GET VERY SPECIFIC, WHAT COUNTY DOES HE GO IN? THAT COUNTY, IF THEY JUMP THEIR
00:15:42TURNOUT, THAT HELPS OUR STATEWIDE EFFORT. DASHA: HOW ARE DEMOCRATS LOOKING AT TRUMP'S ENDORSEMENT AND HIS PRESENCE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL?
00:15:46DO THEY WANT TO SEE MORE OF HIM SO THEY CAN SAY THIS IS A
00:15:48REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT?
00:15:53HOW ARE YOU ALL THINKING ABOUT IT? JAIME: WE DEFINITELY WANT HIM TO BE OUT THERE.
00:15:57CAMPAIGN FOR ALL OF THESE. GO INTO SOME OF THE SWING STATES.
00:16:00I CAN TELL YOU, WITH A 33% APPROVAL, THAT'S AN ANCHOR TO
00:16:03THE LEG OF ANY CANDIDATES THAT IS TRYING TO PAINT THEMSELVES AS
00:16:07MODERATE OR AS SOMEBODY WHO CAN WORK IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION.
00:16:10JUST UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS.
00:16:14IN 2006 WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, HIS APPROVAL AT THIS
00:16:18TIME, IN AUGUST OF 2006, WAS I THINK 41%, 42%. IN 2018, DONALD TRUMP'S APPROVAL
00:16:22AROUND THIS TIME WAS AROUND 41%.
00:16:32IN 2006, REPUBLICANS LOST 30 HOUSE SEATS AND SIX SENATE SEATS. IN 2018, REPUBLICANS LOST 41 SEATS IN THE HOUSE.
00:16:36BASICALLY WHEN YOUR APPROVAL IS BELOW 40% -- OR WHEN IT'S AT 41% OR 42%, IT IS BAD.
00:16:39WHEN IT'S BELOW 40%, IT IS REALLY, REALLY BAD. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ANCHOR ON MANY OF THESE CANDIDATES.
00:16:43YOU DON'T SEE THAT TYPE OF
00:16:48ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM TO GET THE BASE OUT. WE WELCOME DONALD TRUMP TO BE ON THAT CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
00:16:52WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL HE DOES THIS CONVENTION FOR TWO DAYS,
00:16:55REMINDING PEOPLE OF ALL THE THINGS HE IS FOCUSED ON THAT'S
00:16:58NOT ABOUT THEIR COST THAT THEY ARE PAYING EVERY DAY AT THE GAS
00:17:00PUMP AND THE STORE.
00:17:08DASHA: REPUBLICANS HAVE GOT TO
00:17:12BE A LITTLE SPOOKED BY THESE
00:17:14POLLING NUMBERS.
00:17:24MARC: I THINK WE CAN'T TAKE THESE POLLING NUMBERS AS JUST
00:17:25HIS OVERALL APPROVAL.
00:17:33WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THE ISSUES, REPUBLICANS ARE GENERALLY EVEN OR JUST AHEAD. IT MIGHT BE CLOSE ON NEARLY ALL
00:17:37THESE ISSUES.
00:17:43WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GASOLINE, PEOPLE CAN SAY I DON'T LIKE FOUR
00:17:45DOLLAR GAS.
00:17:49HOW ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS GET YOU FIVE DOLLAR GAS? AT LEAST DONALD TRUMP HAS A
00:17:52REASON GAS IS FOUR DOLLARS,
00:17:53BECAUSE HE IS DEALING WITH THE
00:17:58TERRORIST THREAT OF IRAN. THE DEMOCRATS JUST DON'T LIKE GASOLINE AND THEY WANT THE GREEN NEW DEAL. YOU CAN GO TO IMMIGRATION.
00:18:02YOU DON'T LIKE HOW HE IS DOING SOME THINGS ON IMMIGRATION. IT WAS WIDE-OPEN UNDER JOE BIDEN. YOU LIKED THAT EVEN LESS.
00:18:06WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE INDIVIDUAL ISSUES, I STILL THINK WE HAVE A VERY STRONG ADVANTAGE.
00:18:09IT MAY NOT SHOW UP OVERALL IN
00:18:17THE PRESIDENT'S OVERALL APPROVAL, BUT I DO THINK IT'S STILL A POWERFUL THAT THE
00:18:20DEMOCRATS ARE NOT TRUSTED ON NEARLY ANY OF THESE ISSUES EITHER. DASHA: LET'S TAKE OUR SHOW ON
00:18:23THE ROAD AND TRAVEL DOWN TO SOUTH CAROLINA AND TALK ABOUT THIS REPUBLICAN SENATE RUNOFF.
00:18:26LINDSEY GRAHAM'S SISTER, DARLINE
00:18:32GRAHAM, WHO WAS APPOINTED TO
00:18:33FILL THE SEAT OF HER LATE
00:18:41BROTHER, HAS FACED CRITICISM FOR HER PERFORMANCE IN A RECENT DEBATE, PARTICULARLY ON THIS FOREIGN POLICY QUESTION.
00:18:45>> ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY QUESTIONS, SENATOR, ARE TAIWAN AND THE SOUTH CHINA SEA NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES FOR THE UNITED
00:18:49STATES?
00:18:50IF SO, WHY?
00:18:56>> I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION?
00:18:58>> ARE TAIWAN AND THE SOUTH
00:19:00CHINA SEA NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUES FOR THE UNITED STATES,
00:19:03AND IF SO WHY OR HOW? >> I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST
00:19:06HERE. I AM NOT THAT INFORMED ON NATIONAL SECURITY.
00:19:10BUT I DO SUPPORT THE MILITARY. MY BROTHER WAS IN THE AIR FORCE
00:19:12FOR 33 YEARS.
00:19:16SO I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SUPPORT THE MILITARY. MY DAD WAS IN THE ARMY.
00:19:21I'M NOT A POLISHED POLITICIAN UP HERE. NATIONAL SECURITY IS NOT MY
00:19:24THING, NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
00:19:26BUT I DO SUPPORT THE MILITARY.
00:19:33DASHA: OK, MARC, THAT WAS TOUGH. THERE WAS A LOT OF REACTION HERE.
00:19:37LOOK AT WHAT THE NATIONAL REVIEW WROTE -- DARLINE GRAHAM DIDN'T DO THE HOMEWORK.
00:19:40YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ESPECIALLY CONVERSANT ON FOREIGN POLICY OR NATIONAL SECURITY TO MUMBLE
00:19:44SOMETHING ABOUT THE ONGOING GREAT POWER COMPETITION BETWEEN AMERICA AND CHINA, BUT GRAHAM
00:19:47TOOK A PASS. SHE ALSO MISTAKENLY STATED THERE
00:19:51WERE 50 MILLION PEOPLE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, WHEN THE POPULATION IS
00:19:54ROUGHLY 5.6 MILLION.
00:19:58WHAT DO YOU THINK?
00:20:03MARC: I WANT TO GIVE CREDIT FOR GRETA VAN SUSTEREN ON NEWSMAX, WHERE I WORK AS THE MORNING SHOW
00:20:06HOST, FOR MODERATING THAT.
00:20:07THERE IS NO QUESTION, THAT WAS A
00:20:11BAD ANSWER. IN A ONE OR TWO WEEK SPECIAL RUNOFF ELECTION, THAT KIND OF
00:20:15ANSWER CAN BE DEVASTATING WHEN YOU ARE GOING UP AGAINST SOMEONE IN RALPH NORMAN WHO IS A SITTING
00:20:19CONGRESSMAN AND RAN FOR GOVERNOR
00:20:21AND DID VERY WELL.
00:20:26THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT
00:20:27FOR HER IN A SHORT PERIOD OF
00:20:34TIME. THE QUESTION WILL BE, DOES THE GRAHAM FAMILY LEGACY, THE TRUMP
00:20:38ENDORSEMENT, THE NAME MAKE PEOPLE SAY, I WILL GIVE HER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?
00:20:41SHE WAS AT LEAST BEING HONEST, WHICH MOST POLITICIANS WON'T DO. BUT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT
00:20:44WAS A VERY BAD ANSWER AND IT WILL HURT HER AT THE POLLS ON TUESDAY. DASHA: ARE DEMOCRATS HOPING THAT
00:20:48GRAHAM PULLS IT OUT? JAIME: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
00:20:51A PARTY BECOMES CENTERED AROUND ONE PERSON'S ENDORSEMENT RATHER
00:20:54THAN PREPARATION FOR THE JOB.
00:21:07REPUBLICANS OFTEN LIKE TO TALK ABOUT D.E.I. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU, BOTH
00:21:10RALPH AND DARLINE DIDN'T EARN IT. NEITHER ONE OF THEM ARE CREDIBLE CANDIDATES.
00:21:14I CAN GIVE YOU FIVE REPUBLICANS HERE THAT WOULD AT LEAST, I WOULD SAY, BE QUALIFIED TO BE U.S. SENATORS, AND NEITHER ONE
00:21:18OF THEM ARE. IT'S JUST REALLY, REALLY SAD TO
00:21:21SEE THIS HAPPENING. AND SO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS DARLINE OR RALPH, I AM VERY
00:21:25BULLISH ABOUT DR. ANNIE ANDREWS, WHO IS A PEDIATRICIAN RUNNING
00:21:28FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE.
00:21:36SHE IS SMART, SHE IS CAPABLE, SHE HAS DONE HER HOMEWORK, AND
00:21:38SHE IS READY TO GO TO THE U.S.
00:21:41SENATE. RALPH AND DARLINE, AS WE SAY
00:21:45HERE IN SOUTH CAROLINA, BLESS
00:21:48THEIR HEARTS. DASHA: TAKE A LISTEN TO HOW
00:21:52DARLINE GRAHAM RESPONDED AND EXPLAINED HER ANSWER. >> I GOT THE TAIWAN QUESTION
00:21:56WRONG. WE ALL KNOW THAT. TO ME AS I WALKED AROUND THIS
00:22:00ROOM AND PAST PEOPLE, WERE THEY
00:22:02CONCERNED ABOUT TAIWAN?
00:22:05YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAID? NO. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
00:22:08PRICE OF GROCERIES. THE PRICE OF GAS. THE RISING HEALTH CARE COSTS.
00:22:11HIS NATIONAL SECURITY IMPORTANT?
00:22:12ABSOLUTELY.
00:22:23CAN I LEARN? I AM SMART. YES, I WILL LEARN. I WILL BECOME INFORMED. EVERYBODY HAS A FIRST DAY ON THE
00:22:27JOB. PRESIDENT TRUMP, WAS HE A POLITICIAN?
00:22:30HAS HE DONE A GOOD JOB? YES, HE HAS. DASHA: DO YOU THINK THAT KIND OF
00:22:34RESPONSE WILL RESONATE WITH THE PRESIDENT? DO YOU THINK HE STICKS WITH HIS
00:22:38ENDORSEMENT? MARC: I DON'T THINK HE WILL CHANGE COURSE. I DON'T KNOW OBVIOUSLY FOR SURE,
00:22:42BUT I DON'T THINK HE WILL CHANGE COURSE THIS LATE. THERE IS ONLY A FEW DAYS TO GO BEFORE VOTERS HEAD BACK TO THE
00:22:46POLLS. I THINK THE VOTERS OF SOUTH
00:22:50CAROLINA HAVE A GREAT CHOICE. I THINK THAT KIND OF ANSWER
00:22:53MIGHT CONNECT WITH FOLKS IN SOUTH CAROLINA, THAT WILL GIVE HER A LITTLE BIT OF THE BENEFIT
00:22:56OF THE DOUBT. SHE HAS HAD A ROUGH MONTH SINCE
00:23:00SHE LOST HER BROTHER UNEXPECTEDLY. OBVIOUSLY THE LATE SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM.
00:23:03WILL THAT MATTER IN THEIR VOTE ON TUESDAY?
00:23:07I DON'T KNOW. TO JAIME'S EARLIER POINT, I DO HOPE DEMOCRATS SPEND A LOT OF
00:23:11MONEY IN SOUTH CAROLINA AND IN PLACES LIKE TEXAS BECAUSE THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK OUT FOR
00:23:16THEM. DASHA: YOU GOT ME TO MY NEXT TOPIC.
00:23:20LET'S TRAVEL ON DOWN TO TEXAS, WHERE A VERY INTERESTING STORY IS SHAPING UP ON THE TALARICO
00:23:23CAMPAIGN. I WAS FASCINATED. JAMES TALARICO APPROACHES CORN
00:23:27IN STAFFORD. CROSS PARTY HIRES ARE RARE, BUT
00:23:31THE MOVE COULD SHOW THE SENATE DEMOCRATIC CAMPAIGN IS HOPING TO
00:23:34REACH OUT TO REPUBLICANS IN
00:23:35RELIABLY RED TEXAS.
00:23:39JAIME, WAS THIS A SMART MOVE? ARE DEMOCRATS GOING TO SPEND BIG
00:23:42IN TEXAS ON THIS RACE?
00:23:45JAIME: ONE HIRE DOESN'T DECIDE
00:23:51THE ELECTION, BUT CAMPAIGNS ARE
00:23:52ABOUT COALITIONS.
00:23:59THIS TELLS YOU THAT TALARICO REALLY UNDERSTANDS WHAT KIND OF
00:24:01COALITION HE NEEDS IN ORDER TO WIN. DEMOCRATS WON'T WIN TEXAS BY
00:24:05ONLY TALKING TO DEMOCRATS. YOU GOT TO BRING DEMOCRATS TOGETHER, MOTIVATE YOUNG VOTERS AND LATINO VOTERS.
00:24:09YOU GOT TO GIVE INDEPENDENTS AND SOME TRADITIONAL REPUBLICANS
00:24:13PERMISSION TO VOTE DEMOCRATIC. PAXTON IS A CORRUPT AND LAZY
00:24:15POLITICIAN.
00:24:17THAT IS NOT JUST THE DEMOCRATS
00:24:21SAYING THAT. YOU ARE HEARING THAT FROM REPUBLICANS IN THE STATE THAT HAVE REAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
00:24:25TYPE OF CAMPAIGN HE IS RUNNING, OR THE LACK OF A CAMPAIGN.
00:24:28THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE MAJOR REPUBLICAN INVESTMENTS IN THIS
00:24:31DAY THUS FAR, WHICH MAKES YOU
00:24:34REALLY SCRATCH YOUR HEAD WHEN
00:24:38THE POLLS HAVE BEEN CLOSED FOR MONTHS.
00:24:41YOU DON'T SEE MAJOR INVESTMENTS
00:24:46BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, BY THE
00:24:51NRSC. THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CANDIDACY OF THIS RACE?
00:24:54JUST LOOKING AT IT, I WOULD BE. I THINK JAMES TALARICO IS
00:24:57RUNNING A VERY STRONG CAMPAIGN AND IS PUTTING THIS INTO PLAY. DASHA: WILL THERE BE MORE MAJOR
00:25:00INVESTMENT FROM DEMOCRATS?
00:25:02TALARICO IS A REALLY STRONG
00:25:10FUNDRAISER, BUT IS THE PARTY
00:25:16GOING TO SPEND BIG HERE? JAIME: WE JUST LEARNED THAT THE COOK REPORT HAS NOW MOVED TO TEXAS TO A TOSSUP SEAT.
00:25:20AND THEY HAVE EVEN SHIFTED THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN TEXAS AS WELL. I THINK REPUBLICANS IN THIS
00:25:24MIDYEAR REDISTRICTING DID
00:25:25SOMETHING, AND THEY CAN THANK
00:25:32DONALD TRUMP FOR THIS. BUT THEY HAVE WOKEN UP SOME OF THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH.
00:25:35BLACK COMMUNITIES AND LATINO
00:25:44COMMUNITIES THAT DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS EFFORT TO MINIMIZE THEIR POLITICAL VOICES AND POLITICAL POWER.
00:25:48THEREFORE YOU ARE STARTING TO SEE A SURGE ACROSS THE SOUTH OF BLACK VOTERS GOING TO THE POLLS. TO PUSH BACK.
00:25:52WE SAW IT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.
00:25:53WE SAW IT IN GEORGIA.
00:25:56WE ARE SEEING IT IN TENNESSEE
00:26:04AND OTHER PLACES, LOUISIANA. I THINK THAT TREND IS GOING TO CONTINUE GOING INTO ELECTION DAY.
00:26:08ALL OF THE ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM
00:26:09AND PASSION RIGHT NOW IS ON THE
00:26:13DEMOCRATIC SIDE. AND THAT MEANS IN THE MIDTERM ELECTION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL TURNOUT, THAT MEANS THAT ANY STATE CAN BE IN
00:26:17PLAY, PARTICULARLY WHEN A BIG ELECTORAL WAVE IS BEING BUILT. AND SO I SAY TO THE REPUBLICANS,
00:26:22DON'T DEFEND IT.
00:26:23DON'T SPEND ANY MONEY.
00:26:26LET IT GO. AND I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO
00:26:29THE SURPRISES WE SEE ON ELECTION
00:26:31DAY, JUST LIKE I SAW THEM IN
00:26:382006 AND 2018. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOME
00:26:42BIG SURPRISES ON ELECTION DAY. DASHA: WILL REPUBLICANS LISTEN
00:26:45TO THAT ADVICE?
00:26:48DON'T SPEND THERE, LET IT GO?
00:26:51MARC: LUCKILY ON OUR ACCOUNT WE HAVE LIKE A 20 TO ONE ADVANTAGE ON MONEY.
00:26:55WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY TO SPEND AND DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF THE
00:26:57GREATEST FUNDRAISERS WHO IS JUST
00:26:59NOW UNLEASHING HIS MASSIVE
00:27:03BANKROLL. WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY WE CAN PUT IN TEXAS AND ALL THE PLACES
00:27:06WE NEED TO DO. YOU HAVE TALARICO IN HIS OWN
00:27:09WORDS, HIS POLICIES, HIS STANCES
00:27:12DO NOT LINE UP WITH TEXAS VALUES.
00:27:15WHEN IT COMES TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND MINORITY
00:27:18VOTERS WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT REDISTRICTING, THEY CAN LOOK AT
00:27:22DEBBIE WASSERMAN SCHULTZ, THEIR NEW REPRESENTATIVE FROM A BLACK
00:27:25DISTRICT.
00:27:26DASHA: BEFORE I THAT YOU GO, I
00:27:32-- LET YOU GO, I WANT TO GET TO
00:27:36THE DISPUTE BETWEEN SENATOR JON OSSOFF AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS ARTICLE FROM AXIOS, AFTER JON OSSOFF
00:27:40MENTIONED TRUMP EIGHT NATALIE
00:27:49HART. JON OSSOFF TESTS DEMOCRAT APPETITE FOR GOING LOW. THE FIRESTORM OVER HIS
00:27:52SUGGESTIVE REMARK ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S RIGHT-HAND WOMAN HAS RAISED A QUESTION ABOUT THE TYPE OF CAMPAIGN
00:27:56DEMOCRATS WILL RUN IN 2028. HERE IS HIS INITIAL COMMENT AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S REACTION.
00:27:59>> AND WHILE THE SAILORS FIGHT THIS WAR, WHILE HE FRUITLESSLY
00:28:02DRAINS OUR MUNITIONS AND OIL
00:28:04RESERVES, THE PRESIDENT SLEEPS
00:28:10THROUGH HIS MEETINGS.
00:28:11HE GOLFS AND TRADES STOCKS.
00:28:14SEE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THE JOB.
00:28:16HE WANTS TO BUILD HIS BALLROOM
00:28:24AND TRAVEL WITH NATALIE ON THEIR
00:28:27APPARENTLY DEFENSELESS FLYING PALACE GIFTED BY THE AMIR OF
00:28:30QATAR.
00:28:33>> JOHN OSSOFF SAID YOU WOULD RATHER TRAVEL WITH YOUR AID NATALIE AND BUILD THE BALLROOM.
00:28:37PRES. TRUMP: YOU MEAN PEE-WEE HERMAN? PEE-WEE HERMAN LOOK ALIKE.
00:28:40NO, I WOULD MUCH RATHER DO OTHER
00:28:41THINGS. WE ARE BUILDING A GREAT FACILITY
00:28:45HERE.
00:28:51WE ARE FIXING A WHITE HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. DASHA: WAS THIS A GOOD MOVE BY
00:28:54OSSOFF? WHERE ARE YOU ON THE DEBATE? JAIME: WELL, TRUMP GOES THERE
00:28:57EVERY SECOND OF THE DAY, SO WE CAN TOO.
00:29:01DASHA: MARC?
00:29:04MARC: I HATE THIS ABOUT POLITICS ON ALL SIDES.
00:29:08LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. BUT IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, I WOULD NOT GET IN THE
00:29:12MUD WITH DONALD TRUMP AT ANY POINT BECAUSE WE KNOW HE WILL
00:29:15PUNCH BACK HARDER.
00:29:20DASHA: MARC, I HAVE TO ASK YOU
00:29:23THIS BECAUSE WE WROTE IN PLAYBOOK THAT SCOTT JENNINGS HAS
00:29:25USED HIS DEFENSE OF NATALIE HART
00:29:29TO POTENTIALLY REVIVE FOR THE PRESS SECRETARY JOB. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SCOTT JENNINGS?
00:29:33AND ARE YOU GOING TO THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RING?
00:29:36MARC: I HAVE A DAY JOB OR A MORNING SHOW JOB RIGHT NOW. BACK IN THE DAY SCOTT JENNINGS
00:29:40AND I WOULD BE ON CNN TOGETHER. I SAW A LOT OF POST AND SAID IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE DEMOCRATS
00:29:43WHEN WE ARE THERE. I LOVE SCOTT FOR THE JOB IF HE
00:29:46WANTS A, AND ULTIMATELY IF THE
00:29:51-- WANTS IT, AND ULTIMATELY IF
00:29:59THE PRESIDENT WANTS HIM TO HAVE IT. I CAN THINK OF FEW BETTER PEOPLE
00:30:02ON IT. I WILL STICK TO THE MORNING SHOW FOR A WHILE.
00:30:05I DON'T EXPECT THAT CALL TO COME. DASHA: JAIME, QUICKLY BACK TO
00:30:08OSSOFF, DO YOU THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD PLAY A LITTLE BIT DIRTIER? JAIME: I THINK WE NEED TO CALL A
00:30:12SPADE A SPADE.
00:30:13AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T PULL OUR
00:30:17PUNCHES. THIS IS A WHITE HOUSE THAT IS CONSTANTLY GOING BELOW THE BELT,
00:30:20TRYING TO HIT FOLKS, DEMONIZING
00:30:25THEM. AND I THINK IT'S TIME -- THIS IS THE ENERGY THAT I THINK THE
00:30:28VOTERS RIGHT NOW, PARTICULARLY
00:30:31ON OUR SIDE, ARE LOOKING FOR.
00:30:34THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU CAN
00:30:36FIGHT FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES JUST AS
00:30:39MUCH AS DONALD TRUMP 10 FIGHT
00:30:43-- CAN FIGHT AGAINST THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES.
00:30:48IF YOU CAN'T, THEY WILL REPLACE YOU. I THINK JON OSSOFF IS STEPPING UP TO WHAT VOTERS ON OUR SIDE
00:30:51ARE LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
00:30:53SO KUDOS TO HIM.
00:31:02DASHA: GENTLEMEN, THAT IS ALL
00:31:05THE TIME WE HAVE. JAIME HARRISON, FORMER DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE CHAIR, AND MARC LOTTER, FORMER
00:31:09SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT TRUMP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THIS WEEK PRESIDENT TRUMP
00:31:12ORDERED THE PENTAGON TO SCALE BACK JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES WITH SOUTH KOREA. TRUMP SAYS IT'S DUE TO SOUTH
00:31:16KOREA'S DECISION NOT TO HELP WITH THE WAR AGAINST IRAN.
00:31:20IT BRINGS US TO THIS WEEK'S FLASHBACK, WHERE WE DIG INTO THE
00:31:23VIDEO ARCHIVES TO SHOW YOU A
00:31:25BACK IN 1990, THE U.S. TROOP
00:31:27PRESENCE IN THE KOREAN PENINSULA
00:31:30WAS UP FOR DEBATE. CONGRESS CONSIDERED REDUCING THE
00:31:33NUMBER OF TROOPS STATIONED IN SOUTH KOREA AS THE PERSIAN GULF
00:31:36CRISIS WAS ESCALATING AND THOUSANDS OF U.S. TROOPS WERE BEING DEPLOYED TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
00:31:41OPPONENTS OF THE AMENDMENT
00:31:43WARRANT THAT REDUCING U.S.
00:31:46-- WARNED THAT REDUCING U.S.
00:31:52MILITARY PRESENCE WOULD SIGNAL WEAKNESS TO NORTH KOREA. HERE IS THE END REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN MAKING THAT CASE. >> NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TAKE
00:31:56UNILATERAL DISARMAMENT ACTIONS IN KOREA.
00:31:58NORTH KOREA HAS DONE NOTHING TO
00:32:00LESSEN ITS DICTATORIAL POLICIES TO WARRANT US LOWERING OUR
00:32:03GUARD.
00:32:07I BELIEVE THE AMENDMENT COULD SERIOUSLY JEOPARDIZE THE
00:32:10SECURITY SITUATION ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA, INCREASE INSTABILITY,
00:32:13AND RAISE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER WAR, NOT LESSEN IT.
00:32:17THIS AMENDMENT I BELIEVE SIGNALS
00:32:19THAT WE BELIEVE THE NORTH KOREAN
00:32:22THREAT HAS DIMINISHED, EVEN THOUGH IT HASN'T.
00:32:26IT COULD SERVE IN THE WORST CASE AS A GREEN LIGHT TO KIM IL-SUNG
00:32:30THAT NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE
00:32:33ACTION, EVEN MILITARY ACTION, TO OBTAIN HIS OBJECTIVES IN THE SOUTH.
00:32:36WITH FORCES DEPLOYED TO THE PERSIAN GULF, WE ARE STRETCHED
00:32:39THIN TO REACT.
00:32:42DASHA: THE POTENTIAL TROOP WITHDRAWAL WAS ULTIMATELY REJECTED.
00:32:46TO DISCUSS U.S. MILITARY MOVES OVERSEAS IN 2026, I AM JOINED BY
00:32:48TWO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERTS.
00:32:52NAYYERA HAQ AND KIRSTEN
00:33:04FONTENROSE.
00:33:12THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
00:33:15>> THANKS FOR HAVING US. DASHA: LET'S TALK ABOUT U.S.
00:33:19RELATIONS WITH NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA. PRESIDENT TRUMP MOVED TO SCALE
00:33:23BACK JOINT MILITARY EXERCISES IN SOUTH KOREA, HE SAYS OVER
00:33:27RELUCTANCE TO DENUCLEARIZE IRAN. KIRSTEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
00:33:31THIS MOVE?
00:33:35KIRSTEN: THIS IS A STATEMENT TO
00:33:38SOUTH KOREA THAT THEY EXPECT SOME SKIN IN THE GAME IF THEY
00:33:42EXPECT THE U.S. TO HAVE THEIR BACK.
00:33:45WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRAIT OF
00:33:48HORMUZ IN TERMS OF DEPENDENCY ON
00:33:50IMPORTS, THE U.S. IS ABOUT 7%.
00:33:56SOUTH KOREA, 65% TO 70% OF YOUR
00:34:06IMPORTS OF OIL COMING FROM THE STRAIT. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN QUIETLY SPEAKING WITH SOUTH KOREA ON
00:34:09TOPICS LIKE, ARE THERE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO GET BEHIND THIS WAR EFFORT OR SHOW SUPPORT FOR
00:34:13ITS GOALS? BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH AT
00:34:16STAKE IN WHETHER THE STRAIT IS OPEN. SOUTH KOREA DID NOT REALLY MOVE ON THAT.
00:34:20THE PRESIDENT SAID, WE ARE GOING
00:34:21TO SEND YOU A SIGNAL.
00:34:26IN THIS CASE IT'S A REDUCTION IN THE TIME OF THE EXERCISE,
00:34:29REDUCED BY SIX DAYS, TO SAY WE
00:34:31NEED TO SEE YOU DOING MORE TO PROTECT YOURSELF IF YOU ARE NOT
00:34:35GOING TO ASSIST US IN OUR GOALS. WE CAN'T ALWAYS BE THERE FOR
00:34:39YOU.
00:34:43IT'S NOT JUST A ONE-SIDED RELATIONSHIP.
00:34:44IT SHOULDN'T CAUSE WIDESPREAD
00:34:50PANIC, BUT IT SHOULD BE READ AND SOLD AS A MESSAGE FROM
00:34:55-- READ IN SEOUL AS A MESSAGE
00:34:59FROM WASHINGTON THAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR THEM TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES OR GET BEHIND THE U.S.
00:35:02I THINK SEOUL HAS RESPONDED TO THIS. WE SAW THEM TAKE SOME STEPS ON THEIR NUCLEAR SUB PROGRAM, WHICH MAY BE WASHINGTON DOESN'T WANT
00:35:06TO SEE, BUT IT'S A STEP TO
00:35:11DEFEND THEMSELVES. DASHA: THE DRILLS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A DETERRENT TO NORTH KOREA.
00:35:15WE JUST SAW IN THAT FLASHBACK HOW IMPORTANT THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY.
00:35:18WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE POTENTIAL DANGER OF THIS MOVE BY
00:35:22THE PRESIDENT?
00:35:25NAYYERA: THESE MILITARY EXERCISES ARE WHAT I WITNESSED WHEN I WAS WORKING AT THE
00:35:29PENTAGON.
00:35:32THEY ARE REPRESENTATIONS OF HOW THE UNITED STATES JOINS WITH
00:35:36ALLIES TO PROTECT MUTUAL INTERESTS.
00:35:39THERE IS A LOT TO UNPACK.
00:35:44THE UNITED STATES HAS AN INTEREST IN MAINTAINING SOUTH KOREA'S INDEPENDENCE AS A DEMOCRACY AND AS AN ALLY AGAINST
00:35:48CHINA'S TAKEOVER OF THE REGION.
00:35:52THIS IS MOSTLY ABOUT CHINA AND
00:35:55HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DOMINATING NOT ONLY TRADE BUT PUTTING
00:35:59MILITARY PRESSURE ON THE SOUTH CHINA SEA. SO WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
00:36:03SITUATION IN THE TRUMP CALCULUS IS EXPLICITLY CONNECTING SUPPORT
00:36:07FOR WHAT THE UNITED STATES
00:36:11UNILATERALLY DECIDED TO DO IN IRAN AND HOW THE UNITED STATES
00:36:14IS STRUGGLING WITH ALLIES AND SUPPORT FOR EFFORTS IN IRAN AND
00:36:17CONNECTING THAT IMMEDIATELY TO WHAT HAS TYPICALLY BEEN SEEN AS
00:36:21JOINT EXERCISES FOR SHARED GOALS
00:36:23IN SOUTH KOREA.
00:36:26AND EVEN WE SEE THE CHALLENGE WITH TAIWAN. REALLY I LOOK AT THIS AND I
00:36:30THINK THERE HAS TYPICALLY BEEN A BENEFIT TO THE UNITED STATES TO STAY MILITARILY ENGAGED AND
00:36:34PRESENT.
00:36:41THE DETERRENT THREAT HAS SIGNALED THAT.
00:36:46IT HAS ALSO ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE TRADE OPPORTUNITIES WITH SOUTH KOREAN TECHNOLOGY AND VIETNAM AND OTHERS IN THE REGION.
00:36:49THAT HAS BEEN AN ECONOMIC BOON TO THE UNITED STATES. ALL OF THAT NOW COMES UNDER
00:36:52QUESTION.
00:36:56SO, WHO IS BENEFITING? IF YOU LOOK AT THE REAL,
00:37:00TECHNICAL -- THIS IS ABOUT SOUTH KOREA'S SUPPORT FOR IRAN.
00:37:02BUT ZOOMING OUT, THE REAL BENEFICIARY FOR THE UNITED
00:37:06STATES, THROWING ASIAN POLICY OR
00:37:10ASIAN ALLIES IN A BIT OF A DISARRAY OR GETTING THEM CONCERNED, CHINA IS THE ONE WHO
00:37:13BENEFITS. DASHA: LISTEN TO WHAT PRESIDENT
00:37:17TRUMP SAID ABOUT NORTH KOREA'S NUCLEAR STOCKPILE AND HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH LEADER KIM
00:37:20JONG-UN. PRES. TRUMP: HE HAS 57 VERY
00:37:23POWERFUL NUCLEAR WEAPONS. SHOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT TO
00:37:27HAPPEN.
00:37:30THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER ALLOWED IT. IF I WAS PRESIDENT, I WOULDN'T HAVE, BUT HE HAS GOT THEM.
00:37:34I GET ALONG WITH HIM VERY WELL. YOU CANNOT LET IRAN HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
00:37:38AND I KNOW KIM JONG-UN VERY WELL
00:37:39AND HE'S GOING TO BE FINE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A SMART
00:37:43PRESIDENT, HE'S GOING TO BE FINE. IF WE HAVE A DUMB PRESIDENT, THEN HE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO
00:37:47BE SO FINE. >> DO YOU EXPECT TO MEET WITH HIM LATER THIS YEAR?
00:37:50PRES. TRUMP: I WILL BE.
00:37:57DASHA: TRANSLATE THAT FOR US.
00:38:02IS THIS A NEGOTIATING TACTIC? WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT DOING? KIRSTEN: IT'S A NEGOTIATING
00:38:06TACTIC IN THE SENSE HE IS NOT TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT
00:38:08KIM SHOULD COME TO ANY TALKS DEFENSIVELY. NORTH KOREA HAS RECENTLY DONE
00:38:12SOME MISSILE TESTING, AND THAT IS MEANT TO INCREASE THEIR LEVERAGE IN A DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE A SMALL COUNTRY WHO IS TRYING TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH
00:38:16AMERICA'S PRESIDENT. NORTH KOREA LIKES ATTENTION. THEY LIKE TO BE PERCEIVED AS
00:38:20OUTSIZED IN INTERNATIONAL NEGOTIATIONS.
00:38:24WE SAW THAT WHEN THE TWO MET DURING THE LAST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
00:38:27NORTH KOREA LIKES TO BE FRONT AND CENTER OF THE PAPER, ABOVE
00:38:30THE FOLD.
00:38:32THIS DRAWS ATTENTION TO THEM. AND THEY WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR,
00:38:35AS YOU HAVE SEEN FROM STATEMENTS FROM BOTH THE NORTH KOREAN
00:38:39PRESIDENT'S SISTER AND OTHER LEADERS IN THE COUNTRY, WE HAVE
00:38:42NO PROBLEM WITH THE U.S. WE GET ALONG VERY WELL WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
00:38:45BUT WE REALLY DON'T APPRECIATE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY TOWARD
00:38:49SOUTH KOREA AND A PREFERENCE
00:38:54TOWARD SOUTH KOREA OVER A RELATIONSHIP WITH US. THEY ALSO TOOK AWAY FROM MUCH OF
00:38:58WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN IRAN THE LESSON THAT A COUNTRY WITHOUT A NUCLEAR WEAPON IS AT A DISADVANTAGE.
00:39:01THEY ARE INTERPRETING THIS TWO WAYS. ONE, THEY WILL NOT COME TO THIS
00:39:05SUMMIT WITH TRUMP WITH ANY
00:39:08INTENT TO GET RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR STOCKPILE. WHICH IS GOING TO FLY IN THE
00:39:11FACE OF WHAT WASHINGTON WILL TRY TO ACHIEVE AT THAT SUMMIT.
00:39:14THERE ARE ALSO TAKING A WAY THAT THEY CAN HAVE THE OUTSIZED
00:39:18INFLUENCE ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN IF THEY RETAIN THEIR NUCLEAR
00:39:22PROGRAM. PRESIDENT TRUMP IS TELLING THEM THINGS ARE GOOD BETWEEN US, WE
00:39:26CAN HAVE A CIVIL CONVERSATION, BECAUSE IT WILL ALSO BE ABOUT
00:39:28SUPPORT NORTH KOREA HAS PROVIDED
00:39:32TO OTHER CONFLICTS AROUND THE
00:39:35WORLD, AND IT WILL BE ABOUT TRYING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF
00:39:39FRIENDS CHINA HAS IN THE EVENT
00:39:40THERE IS ANY FRISKINESS TOWARD
00:39:43TAIWAN IN 2027, WHICH IS STILL THE DATE BEING THROWN AROUND
00:39:46EVEN THOUGH WE MIGHT NOT THINK THAT'S GOING TO TRACK. THE PRESIDENT IS SENDING THAT
00:39:50SIGNAL, LET'S HAVE A FRIENDLY
00:39:54CONVERSATION, BUT OF COURSE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT YOUR NUCLEAR PROGRAM AND YOUR ACTIONS
00:39:58OUTSIDE YOUR BORDERS.
00:40:00DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE MESSAGE THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
00:40:04SENDING BOTH NORTH KOREA BUT ALSO WHAT OUR ALLIES ARE
00:40:08HEARING?
00:40:12NAYYERA: I WOULD ROLL BACK THE PREMISE.
00:40:15WHY IS NORTH KOREA BEING WELCOMED TO ANY DISCUSSION OR
00:40:17NEGOTIATION?
00:40:20NORTH KOREA IS A PARIAH STATE THAT EFFECTIVELY HAD BEEN CUT
00:40:24OFF FROM THE WORLD. HAD TO MAKE BACKDOOR DEALS TO
00:40:28GET ANYTHING. AND IN FACT, THEIR NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY GET WAS
00:40:31FROM BACK CHANNELS THROUGH CHINA AND RUSSIA AND IRAN.
00:40:34SO IRAN RIGHT NOW IS AT WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES.
00:40:36SO WHY IS THEIR ALLY BEING
00:40:39WELCOMED AT A TABLE FOR AN OPEN DISCUSSION?
00:40:42AND THIS GOES BACK TO THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THE IDEA THAT TRUMP THOUGHT HE
00:40:46COULD SHAKE UP OR CHANGE NORTH KOREA'S VERY PREDICTABLE BEHAVIOR.
00:40:50AS KIRSTEN MENTIONED, THEY LOVE BEING IN THE HEADLINES.
00:40:54THE MISSILE STRIKES ALWAYS HAVE
00:41:00-- HAPPEN AT TIMES WHEN THEY
00:41:03THINK THEY WILL GET U.S. AND ALLIED ATTENTION. IGNORING THEM PUBLICLY, CUTTING THEM OFF DIPLOMATICALLY HAS HURT
00:41:07KIM JONG-UN'S EGO SIGNIFICANTLY.
00:41:07BEING ALLOWED TO APPEAR ON
00:41:11STAGE, THE GLOBAL STAGE,
00:41:14SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH THE U.S.
00:41:16PRESIDENT, BEING LEGITIMIZED
00:41:18WITH THE NORTH KOREAN FLAG NEXT TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG,
00:41:23THAT'S BEEN A GIFT TO KIM JONG-UN.
00:41:26NOW THE CONVERSATION IS, LET'S
00:41:29SEE WHAT THEY WILL DO AND HOW THEY COME TO NEGOTIATE.
00:41:33I WOULD SAY THEY SHOULD NOT BE THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
00:41:36AND IN FACT WE ARE NOW IN A POSITION WHERE WE ARE
00:41:40NEGOTIATING POTENTIALLY WITH IRAN.
00:41:42THAT'S STILL UNCLEAR.
00:41:45BUT THAT NORTH KOREA IS BEING TREATED BY SOME KIND OF EQUAL PARTNER TO THE UNITED STATES.
00:41:49IT'S BEEN A TERRIBLE SIGNAL TO THE DEMOCRACIES OF THE WORLD, NOT ONLY SOUTH KOREA, BUT EUROPE
00:41:53AND ELSEWHERE IN ASIA THAT THE UNITED STATES CAN BE VERY
00:41:57FRIENDLY WITH DICTATORSHIPS.
00:42:00IN FACT NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM
00:42:02THAT FIRST TRUMP MEETING WITH
00:42:04KIM JONG-UN AND THEIR RAPID DEVELOPMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND
00:42:07NUCLEAR WEAPONS. DASHA: LET'S GET TO THE HEART OF
00:42:10THIS, WHICH IS THE CONFLICT WITH THE U.S. AND IRAN.
00:42:14WE BLEW PAST THE 60 DAY CEASEFIRE THIS WEEK AND THE
00:42:17PRESIDENT SAYS HE IS NOT GOING TO EXTEND IT AND ANNOUNCED A NEW
00:42:20ECONOMIC OPERATION. FOX NEWS SUMS IT UP, TRUMP
00:42:23THREATENS UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC
00:42:26CONSEQUENCES FOR ANY NATION AIDING IRAN.
00:42:29HE THREATENED TO BOMB OMAN IF IT
00:42:30GETS IN THE WAY.
00:42:35IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE IS
00:42:37ANY DEAL IN SIGHT.
00:42:40THE PRESIDENT SAID THEY ARE NO LONGER SPEAKING AT THE MOMENT.
00:42:43HE IS THREATENING TO ATTACK
00:42:45ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THE REGION. WHERE ARE WE IN TERMS OF ANY
00:42:48SORT OF RESOLUTION HERE?
00:42:51KIRSTEN: WE ARE NOT AT A RESOLUTION, BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE SAID THIS IS NOT A TIME WE
00:42:55FEEL LIKE NEGOTIATING. WE WILL TRY TO INCREASE OUR LEVERAGE.
00:42:57ON THE SIDE OF WASHINGTON, WHAT THE APPROACH IS NOW IS AN
00:43:02ECONOMIC STRANGULATION.
00:43:11THAT THEY THINK WILL MAKE THE REGIME LESS ABLE PROGRESSIVELY TO FUND A REBUILD OF THEIR THREE
00:43:14PILLARS OF FOREIGN POLICY. NUCLEAR PROGRAM, MISSILE AND
00:43:17DRONE PROGRAM, AND PROXY COALITIONS. IF THOSE PROGRAMS CANNOT BE
00:43:21REBUILT, WASHINGTON SAYS IRAN IS NO LONGER A THREAT. AT THAT POINT ALSO, IRAN WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THE SECURITY
00:43:25FORCES THAT KILLED THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS IN JANUARY WHO WERE PROTESTING THE STATE OF THE
00:43:27ECONOMY.
00:43:33WASHINGTON IS BETTING THAT OVER
00:43:35TIME, ONE OF TWO THINGS WILL
00:43:38HAPPEN.
00:43:41EITHER THE REGIME, HOPING TO SURVIVE, BECOMES MORE WILLING TO SIGN A DEAL PROMISING NOT TO
00:43:45PURSUE THOSE PROGRAMS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PURSUE THEM ANYWAY.
00:43:49THEY WON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT. AND THEY WILL BE WILLING TO SIGN IN EXCHANGE FOR ECONOMIC RELIEF.
00:43:53OR THE SECURITY SERVICES THAT CAME OUT AGAINST THOSE PROTESTERS AND WERE RESPONSIBLE
00:43:57FOR THE MURDERS WILL STOP PROTECTING THE REGIME. THEY WON'T BE PAID, WON'T SHOW
00:43:59UP FOR WORK, AND RENEWED PUBLIC
00:44:01PROTEST, SHOULD IT ARISE, WILL
00:44:04HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO OVERTHROW
00:44:06THE REGIME.
00:44:08THAT'S WHY THE APPROACH IS
00:44:11ECONOMIC THIS WAY.
00:44:14YOU ALSO SAW PRECEDENT IN 1988.
00:44:17THE U.S., THERE WAS SUCCESS AGAINST IRAN.
00:44:20THAT WAS THE POINT YOU PROBABLY HEARD THE FAMOUS QUOTE ABOUT THE
00:44:23FIRST SUPREME LEADER SAYING HE HAD TO DRINK FROM A POISONED
00:44:26CHALICE. THAT CAME AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF
00:44:30WAR. BUT THE REAL SUBSTRATE TO IT WAS
00:44:33ECONOMIC EXHAUSTION. AND THEN THERE WAS THE DEPLETION
00:44:36OF THE NAVY. SO YOU HAVE SEEN BOTH OF THOSE MOVES.
00:44:40THE NAVY IS ALREADY GONE AND NOW THE ECONOMIC EXHAUSTION IS THE PIECE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.
00:44:44IF THERE IS ANY HISTORICAL PRECEDENT, THAT IS THE ONE WHERE
00:44:47IRAN WAS WILLING TO MAKE CONCESSIONS.
00:44:51THE UNITED NATIONS PASSED A
00:44:53SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND
00:44:55THINGS WERE QUIET FOR A BIT OF
00:44:57TIME. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING WE
00:45:00ARE NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO STRIKES RIGHT NOW.
00:45:03DOMESTIC COSTS, NATIONAL
00:45:05SECURITY ISSUES, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. BUT WE DO BELIEVE THAT THIS TYPE
00:45:09OF ECONOMIC SQUEEZE CAN BRING ABOUT THE SAME KIND OF RESULTS WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF
00:45:13EITHER THE REGIME MAKING A DEAL OR THE REGIME BEING VULNERABLE. DASHA: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
00:45:17ORDER OF OPERATIONS?
00:45:18THIS STARTED WITH A MILITARY
00:45:22PRESSURE CAMPAIGN. BUT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HOPING
00:45:27THEY CAN FINISH THE JOB WITH ECONOMIC PRESSURE.
00:45:30COULD THAT WORK?
00:45:34NAYYERA: IT'S BEEN CONSISTENT U.S. POLICY FOR DEMOCRATIC AND
00:45:37REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS TO PUT ECONOMIC PRESSURE ON IRAN. IT'S NOT NEW THAT IRAN HAS BEEN
00:45:41CONSTRAINED FROM BANKING AND
00:45:42TRADING ON THE WORLD STAGE, BUT
00:45:46THAT ULTIMATELY. .
00:45:49THE PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED WATER SHORTAGES, ELECTRICITY
00:45:53SHORTAGES.
00:45:58THIS IS PART OF THE STORY OF THE
00:46:01U.S.-IRAN DYNAMIC.
00:46:05WHAT RARELY HAS CHANGED IS, ONE,
00:46:08THE UNILATERAL ACTION BEHIND THE PRESIDENT TO TARGET AND STRIKE
00:46:11IRAN WITHOUT COORDINATION OF ALLIES AND ENSURING CONSISTENT LONG-TERM SUPPORT.
00:46:15REMEMBER, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE OVER WEEKS AGO. AS ANY OF US WHO HAVE WORKED WITH FOREIGN POLICY AND THE MILITARY, IT IS NOT AS QUICK AS
00:46:19RHETORICALLY PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO SAY IT IS. WE ARE NOW IN THIS REGION BOGGED
00:46:22DOWN WITH OUR NAVY DEPLOYMENTS
00:46:24BECOMING RECORD NUMBERS AND IT
00:46:26IS HAVING A SERIOUS IMPACT ON
00:46:30NOT ONLY MENTAL HEALTH ABOUT THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES OF OUR
00:46:33NAVY.
00:46:37THE USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS BEEN OF CONCERN TO NAVAL OFFICERS AS
00:46:40WELL AS MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. THERE IS A REALITY OF WHAT THE
00:46:43UNITED STATES NOW HAS TO DO AND
00:46:49IS PAYING A PRICE FOR, THE UNILATERAL ACTION TO ATTACK IRAN. AND HOW THAT CONNECTS TO THE
00:46:52ECONOMIC SANCTIONS IS KEY.
00:46:56BECAUSE THE IRANIAN COUNCIL, THE
00:46:58REVOLUTIONARY COUNCIL, AND THE NEW AYATOLLAH AND THE NATIONAL
00:47:01GUARD, THESE THREE DIFFERENT
00:47:02FORCES THAT HAVE BEEN AT PLAY,
00:47:06THAT CONTROL IRAN AS PART OF THE
00:47:08REGIME, THEY HAVE BECOME YOUNGER
00:47:11BECAUSE OF THE KILLINGS OF THEIR
00:47:14ELDERS. BUT THEY HAVE ALSO BECOME MORE RADICALIZED AND MORE COMMITTED
00:47:18AND MORE TIGHTLY KNIT.
00:47:20SO THIS IS A REGIME THAT ALREADY
00:47:23DIDN'T REALLY CARE IF THEY
00:47:26-- IF THEIR PEOPLE SUFFERED.
00:47:31BUT THE OLD GUARD AT LEAST HAD A SENSE THAT THEY WERE CONSTANTLY
00:47:33FIGHTING AGAINST THIS IDEA OF MAYBE THE PEOPLE WILL UPRISE OR DEMOCRACY WILL TAKE OVER.
00:47:37THIS YOUNGER GENERATION OF LEADERS, AGAIN, MORE TIGHTLY KNIT, MORE COMMITTED TO THE
00:47:40CAUSE, HAS NO BACKDROP, NO EXPERIENCE WITH A FREE IRAN OR
00:47:43EVEN THE IDEA OF AN IRAN THAT WAS INTEGRATED WITH THE WEST.
00:47:47SO THEY ARE PLAYING AN ENTIRELY
00:47:52DIFFERENT BALLGAME.
00:47:57AND THE FACT IS THEY ARE PLAYING
00:47:58THAT BALLGAME WITH CHEAP DRONES.
00:48:02THEY ARE PLAYING IT WITH THE ABILITY TO ATTACK U.S. DIGITAL
00:48:06INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S CHEAP, THAT IS NOT HUMAN COSTLY. SO THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF AN
00:48:10INCENTIVE IN THEIR WORLDVIEW, TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
00:48:12THEY HAVE BEEN DOING SO FAR.
00:48:15DASHA: TO THAT POINT, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS REPORTING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
00:48:19IRAN'S SECRET PLAN TO ESCALATE THE WAR.
00:48:23INTERCEPTED COMMUNICATIONS SUGGEST A STRATEGIC SHIFT BY HARD-LINE LEADERS TO RAISE THE
00:48:27COST FOR THE U.S. AND REGIONAL
00:48:28ALLIES.
00:48:31KIRSTEN, HOW BIG OF A CONCERN IS
00:48:34THIS?
00:48:37IS IRAN TRYING TO WAIT OUT THE U.S. AT THIS POINT AND MAKE IT AS PAINFUL AS POSSIBLE?
00:48:40KIRSTEN: YES, IT'S ALWAYS A
00:48:46CONCERN IN ANY CONFLICT, YOU GET
00:48:49THREATS LIKE THAT AND THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
00:48:53IRAN REALLY EXCELS AT ASYMMETRIC
00:48:55WARFARE AND ASYMMETRIC THREATS. THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN
00:48:59HISTORICALLY FOR STRIKING OUTSIDE OF THEIR TERRITORY AS FAR AWAY AS LATIN AMERICA,
00:49:03EUROPE, EVEN PLOTS IN D.C. WHEN THEY THREATENED TO HIT A U.S. BASE IN EUROPE, EUROPEANS
00:49:07TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, WASHINGTON TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. BUT IT REALLY IS THEM SIGNALING
00:49:11THAT THEY STILL HAVE TOOLS IN THEIR QUIVER. THEY STILL HAVE ARROWS THEY CAN FIRE.
00:49:15NOT NECESSARILY THAT THEY ARE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION. SO TO NAYYERA'S POINT, THIS IS A
00:49:18NEW BRAND OF LEADERSHIP, BUT THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY YOUNGER. ALL OF THE LEADERSHIP IN PLACE
00:49:22RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE ALMOST ALL
00:49:24VETERANS OF THE 1979 REVOLUTION,
00:49:28EVEN THE BRAND-NEW SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE SUPREME NATIONAL
00:49:31SECURITY COUNCIL, WHO HAS JUST
00:49:33NAMED ON AUGUST 9 AHEAD OF THE
00:49:35IRGC. THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS YOUNG AND
00:49:38NEW IS THE SUPREME LEADER WE HAVE NOT SEEN, AND EVEN IF HE IS
00:49:41ALIVE, ALL THE INFORMATION HE IS RECEIVING ABOUT THE OUTSIDE
00:49:46WORLD, BECAUSE HE IS STAYING OFF THE GRID IF HE IS ALIVE, IS FROM THESE LEADERS.
00:49:49THE ONLY INTERPRETATION OF THIS
00:49:52CONFLICT IS COMING FROM AN OLD SCHOOL, HARDLINE IRGC MEMBERS.
00:49:55THE NEW SUPREME NATIONAL
00:49:56SECURITY COUNCIL GENERAL LED THE
00:49:59IRGC FROM 1981 TO 1987. THAT IS NOT SIGNIFICANT IN TIME
00:50:03IN THE SADDLE.
00:50:07WHEN THESE GENTLEMEN ARE MAKING
00:50:09THE DECISIONS, IT IS NOT THAT
00:50:12MUCH OF A DIFFERENTIATION FROM
00:50:17WHAT WE SAW BEFORE. THE DIFFERENCE IS THEY ARE NOT
00:50:20MAKING IT WITH THE SUPREME LEADER, POTENTIALLY HIS
00:50:24OVERSIGHT. THEY ARE EITHER DOING A WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S WITH THE NEW SUPREME
00:50:29LEADER OR IMPOSING ON HIM WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD, OUTSIDE THE BUNKER HE IS
00:50:33SITTING IN. NAYYERA: THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? ECONOMIC SANCTIONS HAVE BEEN THE
00:50:37POLICY.
00:50:38MAGICALLY WISHING AN IRANIAN
00:50:42REVOLUTION BY THE PEOPLE FOR DEMOCRACY.
00:50:46TRUMP, WHEN HE LAUNCHED STRIKES,
00:50:48SAID THIS IS THE MOMENT FOR THE
00:50:51PEOPLE TO RISE UP. THERE IS NO FOLLOW-THROUGH.
00:50:55THE UNITED STATES HAS KNOWN IN LATIN AMERICA HOW TO INSTALL
00:50:58PEOPLE IN PLACE. HOW TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE
00:51:02DEMOCRACY MOVEMENTS AND INTEGRATE OUR INTELLIGENCE
00:51:05SERVICES, OUR MILITARY, AND OUR DIPLOMATS.
00:51:09BUT WE HAVE NOT SEEN THAT HAPPEN THIS TIME IN IRAN. EFFECTIVELY THEN, NOTHING HAS
00:51:13CHANGED IN THE IRANIAN
00:51:14CALCULATION.
00:51:17THE PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING. THE REGIME IS STILL TERRIBLE.
00:51:20THE CHANGE IS THAT NOW THE
00:51:22UNITED STATES IS DEEPLY COMMITTED, PHYSICALLY,
00:51:26MILITARILY, FINANCIALLY IN A WAY
00:51:28THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE FOR OUR
00:51:31COUNTRY, AND IRAN KNOWS THIS. DASHA: I WANT TO TAKE A LISTEN
00:51:34VERY QUICKLY.
00:51:36THIS HAS TO DO WITH WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
00:51:39FLORIDA REPUBLICAN SENATOR RICK SCOTT MADE AN ARGUMENT THIS WEEK
00:51:42THAT I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF REPUBLICAN SOURCES THAT THE
00:51:46PRESIDENT WILL LIKELY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO RESUME KINETIC ACTION.
00:51:50RESUME WARFARE WITH IRAN. TAKE A LISTEN.
00:51:54SEN. SCOTT: HE HAS GIVEN DIPLOMACY A CHANCE.
00:51:57IRAN HAS WALKED AWAY FROM IT. AT SOME POINT HE WILL NOT HAVE A
00:52:01CHOICE BUT TO DO MORE TO DESTROY THEIR ABILITY TO PRODUCE WEAPONS.
00:52:05THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS PRESIDENT. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT IS
00:52:09THAT HE WILL TAKE ACTION NEXT?
00:52:12SEN. SCOTT: I THINK PROBABLY I WOULD GUESS IT WILL BE IN THE
00:52:16NEXT 30 DAYS OR SO. BUT WHO KNOWS?
00:52:20THE PRESIDENT HAS A LOT BETTER INFORMATION THAN I DO. HE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING HE
00:52:24CAN WITH DIPLOMACY BUT DO I
00:52:27BELIEVE THIS REGIME IS GOING TO CHANGE? NO, I DON'T.
00:52:31DASHA: KIRSTEN, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT ASSESSMENT? DO YOU THINK A RESTARTING OF
00:52:34WARFARE IS INEVITABLE HERE? KIRSTEN: I DON'T THINK IT'S
00:52:37INEVITABLE. I DO AGREE THE REGIME IS NOT
00:52:40GOING TO CHANGE. THAT'S ONE OF ITS
00:52:43CHARACTERISTICS. WE HAVE NOT TRIED FULL
00:52:47ENFORCEMENT OF SANCTIONS. UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION,
00:52:50THEY WERE NOT ENFORCED BECAUSE OF OTHER PRIORITIES.
00:52:53THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TRYING TO
00:52:56MAKE A DELIBERATE CHOICE TO
00:52:58REOPEN NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS.
00:53:00AND WE SAW IRAN HAVING A $42
00:53:03BILLION OIL REVENUE BY THE END OF THAT ADMINISTRATION.
00:53:07ROUGHLY THE LAST TWO YEARS OF IT. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
00:53:11CONTINUED TO ROLL THEM OUT. THIS KIND OF ENFORCEMENT OF A NAVAL BLOCKADE TO CUT DOWN ON THE SANCTION EVASION IS REALLY
00:53:15THE DIFFERENCE. WHILE WE DON'T THINK THE REGIME
00:53:18IS GOING TO CHANGE ITS CHARACTER, AND MAY NOT CHANGE
00:53:21ITS POLITICAL STRATEGY EITHER -- I'M NOT IMPLYING THAT AT ALL --
00:53:24IT MAY BE THAT THIS CREATES CONDITIONS WHERE ITS CHOICES ARE
00:53:27NOT AS RELEVANT. IF THE SECURITY FORCES DO NOT
00:53:31SHOW UP. IF THERE IS SIMPLY NO FUNDING TO
00:53:34KEEP THE LIGHTS ON OR PROVIDE FUNDING TO BUY ARMS SUPPLIES, TO PRODUCE WEAPONS, TO FUND THE
00:53:38MILITIAS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE
00:53:42CHOICES THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY HAD.
00:53:45SO EITHER THEY MAKE THAT CONCESSION AND THEY AGREE TO A DEAL OR THEY FIND THEMSELVES OUT
00:53:49OF A JOB.
00:53:51THERE IS A DIFFERENCE THERE. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE
00:53:55HAVE SEEN BEFORE.
00:53:59IT MAY PREVENT THE PRESIDENT FROM HAVING TO RESTART MILITARY STRIKES ON A WHOLE SCALE LEVEL.
00:54:02IT IS ONE THING TO DO STRIKES
00:54:04AGAINST SOME OF THE COASTAL
00:54:08RESOURCES THAT ARE ALLOWING IRAN
00:54:10TO HIT SHIPS, IF WE SEE MORE
00:54:13LAUNCHERS EMERGE FROM THE PLACES WHERE THEY ARE BEING HIT.
00:54:16AND IF WE SEE MORE MISSILES BEING SHIPPED TO THE COAST.
00:54:19THE NAVY CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS, AND THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THINGS FARTHER INLAND AS WELL
00:54:23BUT MIGHT NOT PREFER TO BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL CIVILIAN ISSUES.
00:54:25WE HAVE NOT REALLY SEEN THAT. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE DIMINISHED U.S. STOCKPILES BUT WHAT THEY DO
00:54:30NOT TALK ABOUT AS MUCH IS THE VOLUME OF IRANIAN STRIKES ON
00:54:33SHIPS OR ANYONE ELSE HAS REDUCED OVER 90% SINCE THE BEGINNING OF
00:54:37THE WAR. SO CERTAINLY THE STOCKPILE ISSUE
00:54:40IS RELEVANT ON BOTH SIDES. IF THE PRESIDENT CAN PREVENT HAVING TO GO BACK IN MILITARILY
00:54:44ON A LARGE SCALE, I BELIEVE THAT
00:54:46IS THE CHOICE THIS
00:54:49ADMINISTRATION WILL MAKE. THAT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE NAVAL
00:54:52BLOCKADE FROM OCCASIONALLY
00:54:55RESPONDING TO FIRE THAT MAY COME FROM IRAN'S IRGC AND COASTAL
00:54:58BASES. DASHA: NAYYERA, ARE WE HEADED
00:55:02TOWARD KINETIC ACTION ULTIMATELY
00:55:04AGAIN?
00:55:10NAYYERA: YEAH, THE UNITED STATES
00:55:12DEFINITELY HAS A POINT OF LEVERAGE RIGHT NOW.
00:55:16THE QUESTION IS THE TRUMP
00:55:19VARIABLE. THAT IS ALWAYS A QUESTION.
00:55:23WE CAN MAKE RATIONAL ARGUMENTS
00:55:25ABOUT WHAT ONE ACTION BY THE U.S., HOW THAT IMPACTS THE
00:55:29REGIME OR DOESN'T. THIS IS WHY THIS MAKES SENSE STRATEGICALLY AS A POLICY AND A
00:55:33SET OF BEHAVIORS THAT COMBINE OUR MILITARY AND DIPLOMATIC
00:55:37TOOLKIT.
00:55:39AT THE END OF THE DAY, TRUMP IS
00:55:43THE ONE WHO GETS TO PLAY WITH THAT AND HE HAS BEEN TREATING IT LIKE TOYS. DOES HE HAVE THE PATIENCE TO
00:55:47ACTUALLY USE THIS LEVERAGE FOR A SETTLEMENT? I REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ WAS NOT BLOCKED
00:55:50IN ANY WAY PRIOR TO TRUMP'S
00:55:53ATTACKS ON IRAN.
00:55:56ALL OF THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE NAVAL BLOCKADE WORKING RIGHT
00:56:00NOW, BUT IT IS THERE BECAUSE THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ BECAME A POINT
00:56:04OF LEVERAGE IN RESPONSE TO UNITED STATES AGGRESSION.
00:56:07THESE ARE PROBLEMS OF TRUMP'S
00:56:11OWN CREATION. THERE ARE A WHOLE HOST OF
00:56:14PROBLEMS OF IRAN'S CREATION, BUT TRUMP'S RESPONSES HAVE NOT
00:56:17SOLVED FOR THEM. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WITH THOSE
00:56:19OF US WHO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND CONTEXT AND THEORY.
00:56:22WE HAVE A PRESIDENT IN CHARGE
00:56:24RIGHT NOW WHO THAT IS NOT WHAT
00:56:27HE THINKS ABOUT. THE PSYCHOLOGY IS WHAT FEELS
00:56:29GOOD RIGHT NOW AND WHAT MAKES HIM FEEL LIKE HE IS BEING STRONG AND IN CHARGE?
00:56:34AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THIS A VERY VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS
00:56:37SITUATION FOR THE UNITED STATES. DASHA: WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF
00:56:41MINUTES LEFT, BUT THE PRESIDENT
00:56:43KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THIS IDEA ABOUT THE UNITED STATES ANNEXING
00:56:46THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. IS THAT A REAL IDEA, A REAL
00:56:50POSSIBILITY?
00:56:52IS THIS HIM NEGOTIATING?
00:56:54HE HAS BEEN POSTING THIS MAP ON TRUTH SOCIAL.
00:56:57WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS?
00:57:00KIRSTEN: I THINK IT'S A CALL TO ACTION BY PARTNERS WHERE HE IS
00:57:04SAYING, IF YOU'RE GOING TO
00:57:06EXPECT US TO BE SOLELY
00:57:08RESPONSIBLE FOR PROTECTING SHIPPING AND CARGO THROUGH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, WE WILL REAP
00:57:13SOME BENEFIT FROM IT. WE DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE COMPLETELY FOR FREE, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE FAR
00:57:17LESS DEPENDENCE ON THAT STRAIT THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
00:57:20IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO GO THIS ROUTE AND LEVY OUR OWN TARIFFS
00:57:23OR WHAT HAVE YOU, LET'S SEE YOU PITCH IN A BIT.
00:57:26LET'S SEE THIS ESCORT MISSION THAT EUROPE HAS BEEN TALKING
00:57:30ABOUT. LET'S SEE OMAN MAYBE NOT QUITE
00:57:34SO DOWN THE CENTER WITH IRAN ON
00:57:35THESE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT FEE
00:57:40STRUCTURES. LET'S SEE THE U.N. GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED. LET'S SEE PEOPLE TALK TO THE IMO.
00:57:44I THINK IT IS A CALL TO ACTION MORE THAN A REAL PLAN. I HAVE NOT SEEN SUCH A REAL
00:57:48PLAN. DASHA: THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE
00:57:52HAVE. NAYYERA HAQ, FORMER SENIOR DIRECTOR OF CABINET AFFAIRS
00:57:54DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. KIRSTEN FONTENROSE, FORMER
00:57:58SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR GULF AFFAIRS DURING THE FIRST TRUMP
00:58:01ADMINISTRATION. WE APPRECIATE YOU BOTH.
00:58:05WE WILL CLOSE THIS WEEK WITH OUR CEASEFIRE MOMENT OF THE WEEK, HIGHLIGHTING WHAT IS POSSIBLE
00:58:09WHEN POLITICIANS WORK TOGETHER. A MINNESOTA LAW TOOK EFFECT THIS
00:58:12MONTH THAT MAKES IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER A FELONY.
00:58:15DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IN MINNESOTA PASSED LEGISLATION TO
00:58:18HONOR THE LATE STATE HOUSE SPEAKER MELISSA HORTMAN AND HER
00:58:22HUSBAND MARC, WHO WERE KILLED IN A POLITICALLY MOTIVATED SHOOTING
00:58:26LAST YEAR BY A MAN IMPERSONATING A POLICE OFFICER.
00:58:30REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT STATE REPRESENTATIVES SPOKE ABOUT THE
00:58:33BIPARTISAN WORK THAT WENT INTO
00:58:35THE LAW. >> THE SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION AND
00:58:39THE PEACE OFFICERS SIGNED OFF PRETTY QUICKLY ON MASKS FOR
00:58:43IMITATING AN OFFICER. >> THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
00:58:47THEY CAME TOGETHER AND SAID WE NEED TO DO THESE THINGS TO MAKE
00:58:51SURE PEOPLE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRUST.
00:58:55I THINK IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF
00:58:57WORK.
00:58:59SOME PEOPLE HAD SOME ANGST BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ABLE TO
00:59:02COME TOGETHER TO FIGURE THAT OUT. >> THAT BILL HAD A COUPLE OF
00:59:05AMENDMENTS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN
00:59:08BEFORE IT CAME OUT OF A COMMITTEE BEFORE IT HIT THE
00:59:12FLOOR. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE
00:59:15BIPARTISAN NATURE OF THE WORK THAT WE DO ON THAT PARTICULAR
00:59:19BILL WAS REALLY GOOD AND SHOWED MINNESOTANS THAT NOT ONLY WERE
00:59:23THE HORTMANS ATTACKED AND THE HOFFMANS, BUT MINNESOTA WAS AS
00:59:26WELL. THIS BILL AND STEP THAT WE MADE
00:59:29TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL TO IMPERSONATE A PEACE OFFICER WAS A VERY IMPORTANT THING WE DID TO
00:59:33MAKE SURE THAT MINNESOTANS KNEW WE WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH THAT. DASHA: LEGISLATORS IN MINNESOTA HAVE ALSO PROPOSED A STATE PARK
00:59:37NAMED IN MELISSA AND MARK HORTMAN'S HONOR.
00:59:40THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS EPISODE.
00:59:43NEXT WEEK, A FORMER NORTH DAKOTA DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AND FORMER
00:59:47REPUBLICAN NEW HAMPSHIRE GOVERNOR CHRIS SUNUNU WILL JOIN US. THIS SHOW IS ALSO AVAILABLE AS A PODCAST.
00:59:51FIND US IN ALL THE USUAL PLACES. I'M DASHA BURNS.
00:59:53AND REMEMBER, WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE, KEEP TALKING AND KEEP
00:59:57LISTENING.
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