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00:00:05C-SPAN2 AT 6:00 P.M. EASTERN FOR PROGRAMMING HIGHLIGHTING THE
00:00:11MOST MEMORABLE MOMENTS COVERED BY C-SPAN IN 20 26.
00:00:14MONDAY, A SPECIAL LINE OF
00:00:17OUR ORIGINAL SERIES BOOK CLUB
00:00:22FEATURING AUTHORS CONVERSATIONS.
00:00:27TUESDAY, CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS THAT SCRUTINIZED IMPORTANT ISSUES AND CAPTURED THE
00:00:31ATTENTION OF THE COUNTRY. WEDNESDAY, A LOOK AT THE
00:00:34EXPLORATION, INNOVATION AND ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAVE PUSHED
00:00:37BOUNDARIES OF WHAT IS POSSIBLE FROM THE HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN
00:00:40SPACE PROGRAM TO ARTEMIS II.
00:00:43THURSDAY, WE AIR SOME OF THIS YEAR'S MOST WATCHED, TALKED
00:00:46ABOUT AND MEMORABLE C-SPAN PROGRAMMING THAT CAPTURED PUBLIC
00:00:50ATTENTION. ON FRIDAY, SUPREME COURT JUSTICES DISCUSSING THEIR LIVES,
00:00:54THE CONSTITUTION, THE COURTS, AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE ON
00:00:57THE NATION'S HIGHEST COURT.
00:01:00WATCH A MARATHON NEXT WEEK ON
00:01:01C-SPAN2.
00:01:06>> THE QUALITY OF HIGHER
00:01:09EDUCATION IN THE U.S. BECOMES
00:01:12THE INSTITUTIONS THEMSELVES WITH
00:01:14THE SENIOR HIGHER EDUCATION
00:01:18REPORTER, THANK YOU FOR COMING BY. >> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU.
00:01:26>> YOUR LATEST STORY HAS THIS HEADLINE. U.S. UNIVERSITIES ARE SLIDING INTO DECLINE.
00:02:48>> AS THE WAR ENDED, THERE WERE
00:02:54CONCERNS THAT HIGHER EDUCATION WOULD DECLINE.
00:02:56THE RESPONSE TO THAT WAS THAT
00:02:59THE GOVERNMENT DID CONTINUE A TRADITION OF SUPPORTING ACADEMIC
00:03:02RESEARCH. THAT WAS REDOUBLED AFTER SPUTNIK.
00:03:07WE'VE HAD A TRADITION IN THE U.S. OF A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN
00:03:10UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
00:03:14AS I HAS BEEN THREATENED OR AT
00:03:18RISK, AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT AS OTHER UNIVERSITIES AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE STARTED TO POUR
00:03:23RESOURCES INTO THE UNIVERSITIES, WE HAVE BEGAN TO SLIP A LITTLE
00:03:27BIT AND THE PREEMINENCE OF THIS SECTOR.
00:03:29>> WHAT METRICS DO YOU USE TO
00:03:33GAUGE THAT SLOT?
00:03:37>> YOU CAN SEE SPECIFIC DATA RELATIVE TO PEOPLE COMING TO THE
00:03:41UNITED STATES TO STUDY.
00:03:45INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. THOSE NUMBERS ARE DOWN CONSIDERABLY UNDER THIS
00:03:48PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION AS THERE HAVE BEEN DEPORTATIONS AND
00:03:53DELAYS IN PHASES AND COUNTRIES
00:03:58WHERE STUDENTS ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO COME.
00:04:01THERE ARE ALSO IMPORTANT
00:04:04SCHOLARS LEAVING UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES. A CNN STORY REPORTED 85 TOP
00:04:09SCHOLARS HAVE LEFT, MANY FOR CHINA.
00:04:13A NOBEL PRIZE WINNER, A CHEMIST
00:04:16FROM BERKELEY, LEFT TO RUN AN INSTITUTE AT A UNIVERSITY IN
00:04:19CHINA. ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS HIGHER
00:04:24EDUCATION IS THE SIXTH BIGGEST SERVICE EXPORT.
00:04:28AS HE DISCUSSED WITH YOUR PREVIOUS GUEST, WE ARE CONCERNED
00:04:32ABOUT THE BALANCE OF TRADE, AND
00:04:35WE HAD A POSITIVE BALANCE OF
00:04:39TRADE THANKS TO UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES, WHICH ARE IN ABOVE $40
00:04:43BILLION JUST FROM SUSPENDING THE
00:04:48STUDENTS THEY HAVE EJECTED. SO SCHOLARS ARE LEAVING.
00:04:51THAT IS ONE REALLY IMPORTANT DATA POINT.
00:04:55ANOTHER AREA TO KEEP AN EYE ON
00:04:58HIS INTERNATIONAL RANKINGS.
00:05:00I THINK A LOT OF YOUR LISTENERS AND VIEWERS WILL BE FAMILIAR
00:05:03WITH THE U.S. NEWS RANKINGS THAT
00:05:05FAMILIES OFTEN USE TO DECIDE
00:05:08WHERE THEIR KIDS WILL GO TO COLLEGE.
00:05:11THERE INTERNATIONAL RANKINGS IN WHICH U.S. UNIVERSITIES, I WANT
00:05:15TO BE CLEAR, ARE HIGHLY RANKED.
00:05:16SEVEN OF THE TOP 10 IN THE TIMES
00:05:20HIGHER EDUCATION RANKING, A U.K. BASED RANKING, THAT IS
00:05:24PRESTIGIOUS AND WIDELY WATCHED,
00:05:27SEVEN OUT OF 10 OR AMERICAN UNIVERSITIES.
00:05:29BUT THE NUMBER IN THE TOP 500 IS
00:05:33THE SMALLEST EVER. AND ASIAN UNIVERSITIES ARE RISING UP.
00:05:38THE SECOND LARGE INTERNATIONAL
00:05:39RANKING, U.S. RANKING, THERE --
00:05:47THERE ARE TWO HAS BEGUN TO FALL.
00:05:47>> OUR GUEST CAN TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS ON HIS REPORTING.
00:05:52IF YOU WANT TO CALL, WE DECIDED
00:05:53TO DIVIDE THE TIMES DIFFERENTLY.
00:05:57CENTRAL TIME ZONE, (202)-748-8000.
00:05:59(202)-748-8001 FOR MOUNTAIN AND
00:06:03PACIFIC. (202)-748-8002 IF YOU ARE A
00:06:06COLLEGE -- (202)-748-8003 IF YOU
00:06:09ARE A COLLEGE-EDUCATED OR STUDENT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE
00:06:13PREEMINENCE OF THE HIGHER INSTITUTION.
00:06:15OUR GUEST'S WITH --
00:06:19WHAT IS THAT?
00:06:20>> IT IS A NONPROFIT DEDICATED
00:06:24TO K-12 HIGHER EDUCATION IN
00:06:27PARTNERSHIP WITH NATIONAL MEDIA,
00:06:29INCLUDING NPR, NEW YORK POST AND OTHERS.
00:06:31>> YOU TALK ABOUT CHINA QUITE A BIT.
00:06:36PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE RATES OF POSTDOCTORAL AND
00:06:40HIGHER DEGREES THAT IS BEING PRODUCED.
00:06:44WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT A FACTOR IN?
00:06:45>> THESE NUMBERS ARE
00:06:49EXTRAORDINARY. CHINESE UNIVERSITIES ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY OUTPACE U.S.
00:06:52UNIVERSITIES IN THE PRODUCTION OF DOCTORAL DEGREES IN IMPORTANT
00:06:57FIELDS OF SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, ENGINEERING, SCIENCE AND MATH.
00:07:00WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PACE OF
00:07:04INCREMENTS, THE PACE OF WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN TURNING OUT
00:07:07EXPERTS IN THESE FIELDS THAT ARE
00:07:11SO IMPORTANT TO GLOBALLY
00:07:13COMPETITIVE, THEY ARE TURNING
00:07:15OUT THESE DOCTORAL DEGREES IN
00:07:19STEM AT A RATE FIVE TIMES FASTER THAN U.S. UNIVERSITIES.
00:07:22BECAUSE OF FUNDING CUTS, U.S.
00:07:25UNIVERSITIES ARE NOT ONLY NOT KEEPING PACE BUT CUTTING BACK ON
00:07:29THE NUMBER OF DOCTORAL CANDIDATES THEY ARE TAKING.
00:07:31SO THIS IS AN AREA FOR CONCERN.
00:07:36I THINK A LOT OF YOUR VIEWERS,
00:07:38AND WE MIGHT HEAR FROM THEM,
00:07:42HAVE A VERY AMBIVALENT FEELINGS ABOUT U.S. UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.
00:07:46THEY ARE NOT VERY POPULAR RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ANOTHER DATA POINT.
00:07:49IF YOU LOOK AT SURVEY DATA,
00:07:52PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE VERY EXPENSIVE AND THE RETURN OF INVESTMENT IS POOR.
00:07:56THEY ARE NOT WRONG. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT SOME AND GO TO COLLEGE.
00:07:59IT IS IMPORTANT THESE
00:08:03UNIVERSITIES CONTINUED TO DO THE RESEARCH THAT HAS HISTORICALLY
00:08:05LED TO ADVANCES THAT ESSENTIALLY
00:08:08HAVE FUELED OUR ECONOMY.
00:08:12WHATEVER YOU THINK OF UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES, WE
00:08:14NEED TO FIX THIS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE ARE AT A GLOBAL DISADVANTAGE.
00:08:18>> THIS IS ROB, COLUMBUS, OHIO.
00:08:22GO AHEAD. >> HELLO.
00:08:26THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I'M CALLING FOR TWO REASONS.
00:08:32ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON HOW AI IS
00:08:35INFLUENCING MUCH OF WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN HIGHER EDUCATION TRENDS.
00:08:40TWO, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW
00:08:44NATIONALLY DUAL ENROLLMENT IS
00:08:47INCREASING ACCESS, FREE COLLEGE
00:08:50ACCESS, FOR STUDENTS WHO LIVE IN
00:08:58HIGHER RESOURCE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAN STUDENTS WHO ARE NOT
00:09:04BENEFITING FROM THOSE RESOURCES
00:09:08AND DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LEVEL
00:09:10OF ACCESS TO DUAL ENROLLMENT,
00:09:12WHICH IS BASICALLY FREE COLLEGE FOR STUDENTS BEFORE THEY LEAVE
00:09:16HIGH SCHOOL. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR
00:09:19THOUGHTS ON THAT.
00:09:20>> TAKE THE SECOND QUESTION
00:09:25FIRST.
00:09:25WILL ENROLLMENT PROVIDES CREDIT
00:09:29BEARING COLLEGE COURSES FOR STUDENTS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL.
00:09:31IT'S THE FASTEST GROWING AREA IN HIGHER EDUCATION.
00:09:33WHEN YOU SEE AS UNIVERSITIES AND
00:09:38COLLEGES LIKE TO INCREASE ENROLLMENT INCREASING AT ALL, IT IS LARGELY BECAUSE OF HIGH
00:09:43SCHOOL KIDS TAKING COLLEGE COURSES.
00:09:45AS POINTED OUT, THIS TENDS TO BENEFIT WEALTHIER THAN LOWER INCOME STUDENTS.
00:09:51THOSE ARE THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE HOSTING THESE COLLEGE
00:09:55COURSES FOR STUDENTS. NOT ENTIRELY. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK BEING
00:09:58DONE THAT DUAL ENROLLMENT
00:10:01COURSES ARE MADE AVAILABLE TO LOWER INCOME STUDENTS, BUT IT IS
00:10:06TRUE THAT RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THIS TENDS TO BENEFIT STUDENTS
00:10:10WHO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE GONE TO COLLEGE ANYWAY.
00:10:12THE EFFECT IT HAS IS THAT STUDENTS CAN ACCUMULATE CREDITS
00:10:16TOWARD A DEGREE. SO THEY ARE A LITTLE AHEAD BY THE TIME THEY GET TO COLLEGE.
00:10:22ONE OF THE REASONS AMERICANS ARE DISILLUSIONED WITH COLLEGES AND
00:10:27UNIVERSITIES AS THEY'VE EXPERIENCED THE REALITY THAT
00:10:29FEWER THAN 50% OF THE STUDENTS
00:10:31THAT GO TO FOUR YEAR PROGRAMS GRADUATE IN FOUR YEARS.
00:10:34STUDENTS ARE VOTING WITH -- THEY
00:10:41ARE TAKING INTERNATIONAL BACCALAUREATE PROGRAMS THAT ALLOW THEM TO TAKE CREDIT.
00:10:45WHEN THEY GET TO COLLEGE, THEY CAN GET DONE FASTER.
00:10:48THERE'S A LOT OF ANXIETY ABOUT HOW LONG COLLEGE TAKES WHICH
00:10:52INCREASES THE COST. THE FIRST QUESTION ABOUT AI, I
00:10:55WILL LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN YOUR CALLER MAY HAVE
00:10:59INTENDED.
00:11:00AI HAS AN ENORMOUS IMPACT, AND
00:11:05AS AN ADJUNCT INSTRUCTOR, I TEACH JOURNALISM, I ENCOURAGE
00:11:08STUDENTS TO USE AI FOR RESEARCH AS A FIRST STEP AND THEN TO DOUBLE CHECK.
00:11:15AS A JOURNALIST, I KNOW AI SPLITS BACK ANSWERS THAT ARE NOT TRUE.
00:11:19FROM THE POINT OF VIEW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, U.S. EDUCATION
00:11:22DOMINANCE, WE HAVE IN THE U.S.
00:11:28DEPENDED ON AI INDUSTRIES LARGELY ON INTERNATIONAL
00:11:31STUDENTS WHO'VE COME HERE, ESPECIALLY OF THE GRADUATE
00:11:34LEVEL, IN FIELDS AND DISCIPLINES
00:11:36THAT SERVE THE AI INDUSTRY AND
00:11:39THEY ARE COMING AT LOWER NUMBERS.
00:11:41WE DON'T PRODUCE ENOUGH STUDENTS
00:11:45WHO ARE GOOD AT MATH TO GO INTO THOSE FIELDS SO THAT IS A THREAT
00:11:48TO THE AI INDUSTRY.
00:11:49HOW PEOPLE USE AI IN COLLEGE IS
00:11:55A WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS.
00:11:57WE ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE IN THE
00:12:01SENSE OF NOT ATTRACTING AS MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINING IN THOSE FIELDS.
00:12:07HOST: LET'S HEAR FROM A COLLEGE STUDENT IN ARIZONA. DOUG, HELLO. GO AHEAD.
00:12:11CALLER: I HAD A QUESTION.
00:12:15IS IT NECESSARY FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS TO WANT TO FINISH
00:12:19COLLEGE IF AI IS GENERATING ALL
00:12:21THESE ANSWERS AND STUDENTS ARE EDUCATED MORE OFF THE INTERNET?
00:12:26AND THEY CAN'T REALLY AFFORD TO GO TO A SCHOOL THAT IS OVERCHARGING AND THEY WILL BE
00:12:30SITTING THERE FOUR YEARS TRYING TO GET DUAL CREDITS.
00:12:33IF AI IS GENERATING THE ANSWERS,
00:12:37ARE THEY REALLY EDUCATING OR LEARNING ANYTHING?
00:12:40TWO, WHY WOULD A STUDENT FROM A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WANT TO COME
00:12:44TO THIS COUNTRY WHEN ALDEN GOT TO DO IS GET ON THE INTERNET?
00:12:48THREE, WHAT IS THE DOWNFALL THAT
00:12:51AMERICA TAKES IF WE DO MAKE EDUCATION FREE TO ALL STUDENTS
00:12:54IN AMERICA OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL? THANK YOU.
00:12:56GUEST: THOSE ARE BIG QUESTIONS.
00:13:01ON THE ISSUE OF WHY INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS WOULD
00:13:04COME HERE, IT IS NOT ONLY BECAUSE THEY CAN TAKE COURSES ON
00:13:07THE INTERNET, WHICH THEY CAN AND
00:13:10WHICH A LOT OF UNIVERSITIES ARE NOW MAKING AVAILABLE ONLINE HIGHER EDUCATION.
00:13:14THAT IS A WAY TO NOT ONLY PROVIDE HIGHER EDUCATION TO STUDENTS, NOT JUST IN ABSURD
00:13:17WORLD BUT ANY COUNTRY AROUND THE WORLD, AND REALIZE SOME REVENUE
00:13:20FROM IT AT A TIME --
00:13:24INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL ARE ALSO
00:13:28IMPORTANT TO UNIVERSITY BOTTOM LINES.
00:13:31MORE THAN 300 SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESIDENTIAL
00:13:35ADMINISTRATION ANNOUNCED BUDGET CUTS AND LAYOFFS. A GROWING PROPORTION AND BLAMING
00:13:39THE DECLINE IN INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS. THEY MADE THEMSELVES VULNERABLE
00:13:43SO THAT THEMSELVES OF THE 2010S WHEN THE NUMBER OF DOMESTIC STUDENT STARTED TO DECLINE.
00:13:47WE SEE A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE
00:13:50SINCE 2011, SO THEY BEGAN TO RECRUIT INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.
00:13:55THAT MADE THEM VULNERABLE TO THE DECLINE WE ARE SEEING NOW.
00:13:59FOR DOMESTIC STUDENTS, IT MEANS HIGHER PRICES AND FEWER PROGRAMS.
00:14:03MANY UNIVERSITIES HAVE GOT PROGRAMS AND ADVISORS FOR
00:14:05DOMESTIC STUDENTS BECAUSE OF THE LOST INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.
00:14:10ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED TO GO TO COLLEGE, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO.
00:14:14NOT EVERYBODY DOES. THERE ARE TERRIFIC OPPORTUNITIES
00:14:18THAT PAY WELL IN FIELDS LIKE TRADES WHERE YOU HAVE A HUGE
00:14:22NUMBER OF BABY BOOMERS RETIRING. IN GENERAL, BABY BOOMERS ARE RETIRING.
00:14:27THAT IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAPPENING NOW.
00:14:3018 MILLION ARE RETIRING. 14 MILLION PEOPLE ARE COMING UP
00:14:35BEHIND THEM. THAT LEAVES A GIANT CAP AND THE
00:14:38NUMBER OF PEOPLE EQUIPPED TO DO JOBS THAT AI CANNOT DO. AI CANNOT DO EVERYTHING.
00:14:44IT WAS FASCINATING TO WATCH THIS SPRING AS UNIVERSITY AND COLLEGE
00:14:47GRADUATES BOOTED SPEAKERS TALKING ABOUT AI.
00:14:53THEY ARE RIGHT. AT MANY ENTRY-LEVEL FIELDS, AI
00:14:56IS TAKING THOSE JOBS. WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF WHAT
00:14:59WILL BE THE LARGEST LABOR SHORTAGE IN THE HISTORY OF THE
00:15:03U.S., AND IT IS IN AREAS AI CANNOT DO LIKE TRADES, HEALTH
00:15:07CARE, SEMICONDUCTOR PRODUCTION,
00:15:10AND AREAS LIKE THAT. THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF JOBS
00:15:13THAT REQUIRE BACHELORS DEGREES.
00:15:14HOST: CHRIS, HUNTSVILLE,
00:15:18ALABAMA. GO AHEAD. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, UNITED STATES.
00:15:23THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, ONE
00:15:26PARTY HAS BEEN ADVOCATING FOR THE DEFUNDING OF U.S. UNIVERSITIES.
00:15:30I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY
00:15:33IDEA FOR HOW EFFECTIVE HAVE THEY
00:15:34BEEN OUT IN FUNDING OUR HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEM?
00:15:38GOV. LANCE BOTTOMS: LET'S STICK --
00:15:40HOST: LET'S STICK DOMESTICALLY
00:15:45WITH EFFORTS TO TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ARE MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO DEFUNDING.
00:15:48GUEST: THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
00:15:51HAS CUT FUNDING. MUCH OF IT WAS RESTORED BY COURTS.
00:15:56IT IS STILL BEING DOLED OUT SLOWLY BUT AGENCIES THAT CONTROL IT.
00:16:02THAT HAS HAD THE RESULTS, AS ALL OF US HAVE READ, CURTAILING OR
00:16:07TERMINATING REALLY IMPORTANT RESEARCH INTO THINGS LIKE
00:16:10MEDICAL CAREERS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION HAS A
00:16:14PLAN THAT WOULD SHIFT MUCH OF
00:16:16THE GOVERNMENT'S FEDERAL RESEARCH FUNDING AWAY FROM
00:16:19UNIVERSITIES, COLLEGES AND AND OTHER PLACES.
00:16:23ALL OF THAT IS BAD NEWS FOR UNIVERSITIES. THEY ARE NOT BLAMELESS.
00:16:28BOTH PARTIES ARE TRYING TO CUT BACK ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES
00:16:32GET FURTHER OVERHEAD.
00:16:33THIS IS KNOWN EUPHEMISTICALLY AS
00:16:37"INDIRECT COSTS." IT IS A PROPORTION OF FEDERAL
00:16:41RESEARCH FUNDING THAT GOES TO EQUIPPING THE LAB AND PAYING FOR
00:16:44THE CONDITIONING AND HEAT AND
00:16:45WORKERS AND BEAKERS, AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PUSHED BACK
00:16:49ON THAT, SO FAR, UNSUCCESSFULLY.
00:16:53WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON ACADEMIC RESEARCH THAT DOES NOT
00:16:56NECESSARILY TRANSFORM INTO IT
00:17:00AND NEW TECHNOLOGY. IT IS NOT ENTIRELY WITH ACADEMIC
00:17:04RESEARCHERS FOR, BUT I THINK MAYBE THIS WAS A WAKE-UP CALL TO
00:17:08UNIVERSITIES THAT MAY BE ACHIEVED THAT MORE EFFECTIVELY
00:17:12-- MAYBE IT SHOULD DO THAT MORE EFFECTIVELY.
00:17:16DECLINE OF INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS ALSO CONSENT TO UNIVERSITY FUNDING.
00:17:18THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS ON THE FINANCIAL
00:17:22REPERCUSSIONS ON TO UNIVERSITIES.
00:17:24STATES, NO MATTER WHAT
00:17:28UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES TEND TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY HAVEN'T, STATES HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT
00:17:32CONTINUING FUNDING FOR
00:17:36UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.
00:17:40UNIVERSITIES HAVE NEVERTHELESS
00:17:42CONTINUED TO INCREASE PRICES ON FAMILIES.
00:17:44THAT IS A WHOLE OTHER AREA OF COVERAGE.
00:17:48WHERE THEY ARE LOSING MONEY NOW IS ON THE DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT
00:17:52AND A PROPORTION OF REVENUE THAT HAS TO BE SPENT ON DISCOUNTS AND
00:17:56FINANCIAL AID TO ATTRACT A SMALLER MARKET TO ACTUALLY
00:18:00ENROLL. THOSE ARE ALL TAKING A FINANCIAL
00:18:03IMPACTS ON COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, MANY OF WHICH WE
00:18:07HAVE SEEN CLOSE. HOST: EARLIER THIS MONTH THAT
00:18:10EDUCATION SECRETARY SENT A
00:18:13LETTER, A CALL TO ACTION ON
00:18:16COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES THAT HAVE TAKEN MONEY. IN RETURN, THEY WANTED TO SEE
00:18:20SOME THINGS COMING OUT OF IT. PART OF THE LETTER READS HOW WE
00:18:24ENCOURAGED
00:18:29INTELLECTUAL PLURALISM IN ALL ITS ACADEMIC UNITS, HOW WILL
00:18:32YOUR FACULTY HIRING AND
00:18:36EVALUATION PRACTICES SUPPORT ACADEMIC AND ENTERPRISE IS
00:18:39DEDICATED TO ADVANCING KNOWLEDGE, DEEPENING UNDERSTANDING AND SERVING THE
00:18:42AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO FUND? WHEN YOU GET A LETTER FROM THE
00:18:46EDUCATION DEPARTMENT, WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE INSTITUTIONS IN THE
00:18:50U.S., TO THE PHENOMENON YOU ARE SEEING WHEN IT COMES TO PREEMINENCE?
00:18:53GUEST: THAT IS A LAUDABLE GOAL.
00:18:56I THINK YOU ARE SEEING A LOT OF SELF-EXAMINATION AT UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.
00:19:00THERE ARE CLEARLY IDEOLOGICAL
00:19:02UNDERPINNINGS TO THAT, THAT
00:19:05LETTER AND THE DEMAND OF
00:19:09UNIVERSITIES. INITIALLY, THERE WAS THE FAMOUS
00:19:12COMPACT.
00:19:14NOW THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A
00:19:18LESS OF AN EXTREME VERSION.
00:19:21IT IS TRUE THAT UNIVERSITIES AND
00:19:24COLLEGES ARE REASSESSING THEIR DEGREE TO WHICH THEY ARE MAKING
00:19:26CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE AMERICAN ECONOMY AND SOCIETY.
00:19:29SOME OF THAT HAS MADE MADE
00:19:32HARDER FOR THEM, NOT EASIER BY THIS ADMINISTRATION.
00:19:37MOST OF THE GIST OF THAT LETTER,
00:19:39IF YOU READ BETWEEN THE LINES, HAS TO DO WITH IDEOLOGICAL
00:19:43ISSUES LIKE EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WHICH HAVE ALREADY
00:19:47BEEN CUT BACK MASSIVELY, ESPECIALLY BY PUBLIC
00:19:50UNIVERSITIES, ESPECIALLY IN SOME
00:19:52STATES THAT HAVE PRESCRIBED TO
00:19:56IT FACULTY CAN TEACH AT PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES.
00:20:00IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT THAT THIS
00:20:01IS ANOTHER MEASURE OF U.S.
00:20:06PREEMINENCE INTERNATIONAL. THERE IS YET ANOTHER RANKING BY
00:20:10THE UNIVERSITY OF METONYMY THAT
00:20:13IS THE FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE AT WHICH FACULTIES CAN DO THEIR JOBS.
00:20:17IN THAT RESPECT, NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE U.S. HAS FALLEN.
00:20:23THAT DISCOURAGES FACULTY FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD FROM COMING HERE.
00:20:27IN THE MEANTIME, THE EU AND CHINA HAVE BEEN THROWING MONEY
00:20:30AT THEM TO GET THEM TO GO HERE.
00:20:34SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND TURNING AT THE SAME TIME.
00:20:37HOST: THIS IS JOHN MARCUS
00:20:40JOINING US OF THE HECHINGER REPORT.
00:20:44DENISE, ILLINOIS, COLLEGE EDUCATED.
00:20:46CALLER: I WAS TOUCHING BASE ON
00:20:50DUAL ENROLLMENT, AND THE CALLER
00:20:55A FEW CALLS BACK AND TALKED ABOUT THAT.
00:20:57I TAUGHT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND HAD MANY DUAL ENROLLMENT.
00:21:02I FOUND THAT INTERESTING BECAUSE
00:21:05STUDENTS WERE THE CREAM OF THE CROP. YET, THOSE WHO WERE ALLOWED TO
00:21:09HAVE A DUAL ENROLLMENT COURSE --
00:21:11IT WAS DIFFICULT ON ADJUNCT
00:21:14COLLEGE FACULTY. THE HIGH SCHOOL SOMETIMES DID
00:21:18NOT WANT TO EDUCATOR THEIR.
00:21:23AND WE ARE NOT PREPARED FOR IT.
00:21:26THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER
00:21:28SITUATIONS THAT HAPPENED WITH
00:21:32DIGITAL ENROLLMENT. THAT IS MORE OF A COMMENT.
00:21:35I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE PRESENTER HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT. THANK YOU.
00:21:38GUEST: DUAL ENROLLMENT HAS GROWN
00:21:42SO QUICKLY THAT IT IS DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT STATES AND DISTRICTS.
00:21:45SOMETIMES IT IS TAUGHT BY UNIVERSITY, FACULTY AND ADJUNCT,
00:21:50SOMETIMES BY HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS.
00:21:53OFTEN THE COURSES MADE AVAILABLE
00:21:54TO STUDENTS ARE NOT COURSES THAT
00:21:57WOULD NECESSARILY TRANSFER. THEY ARE ON THE EASIER SIDE.
00:22:01THERE'S GREAT BENEFIT TO THAT BY EXPOSING YOUNG PEOPLE IN HIGH
00:22:05SCHOOL TO WHAT A COLLEGE COURSES
00:22:07LIKE, EVEN IF IT IS -- I'M NOT
00:22:10GOING AS A BASKET WEAVING, BUT
00:22:13SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT TRANSFER PARTICULARLY TO A MAJOR.
00:22:17THERE ARE A LOT OF DOWNSIDES TO
00:22:19IT, AND THE GROWTH HAS BEEN
00:22:22METEORIC, LARGELY BECAUSE AMERICAN CITIZENS SEE IT AS A WAY OF SAVING MONEY ON COLLEGE,
00:22:25WHICH THEY ALL WANT TO DO.
00:22:27THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GOING ON
00:22:31TO CREATE A STANDARD, NATIONAL STANDARDS, ACCREDITATION, AND
00:22:35WAYS TO MAKE DUAL ENROLLMENT MORE UNIFORM AND EFFECTIVE.
00:22:40HOST: ALLEN, SOUTH CAROLINA, GO AHEAD.
00:22:49CALLER: MY QUESTION IS ABOUT COST. 1988, I GRADUATED FROM
00:22:52APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY.
00:22:55MY STUDENT LOAN AMOUNT WAS A
00:22:57LITTLE OVER $10,000.
00:23:00SO MANY PEOPLE NOWADAYS, THERE
00:23:04ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
00:23:06THE COST FOR UNIVERSITIES NOW, IS IT AFFECTING THE PROCESS?
00:23:11AND WHY DO SO MANY STUDENTS HAVE $200,000 IN STUDENT LOANS AND
00:23:16THEY GET OUT OF COLLEGE? THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION, MANY ABOUT THE COST AND THE EFFECT.
00:23:19GUEST: THE SIX-FIGURE IS
00:23:27TYPICALLY GRADUATED STUDENTS.
00:23:31WE TALKED ABOUT THE STEPS UNDER
00:23:34THIS PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION. THERE HAVE BEEN REFORMS BOTH
00:23:36PARTIES HAVE BEEN'S PUSHING FOR FOR A LONG TIME.
00:23:41ONE IS TO LIMIT GRADUATE STUDENT
00:23:43LOAN BORROWING, WHICH SINCE 2000
00:23:46SIX, GRADUATE STUDENTS, NOT UNDERGRADUATES, BUT GRADUATE STUDENTS CAN BORROW AS MUCH AS
00:23:50THEY WANTED.
00:23:53SO THERE HAS BEEN A CAP.
00:23:56THERE ARE DOWNSIDES TO THAT.
00:23:58SOME STUDENTS NEED TO BORROW TO
00:24:01GO TO COLLEGE, PARTICULARLY PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL, THAT IS
00:24:05MEDICAL SCHOOL, DENTAL SCHOOL, LAW SCHOOL.
00:24:08THERE IS CONCERN THAT THOSE NUMBERS WILL FALL OFF.
00:24:11BUT THE SHORT TERM IMPACT HAS
00:24:15BEGAN TO BE THAT COLLEGES ARE
00:24:17LOWERING THEIR TUITIONS AND PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIPS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.
00:24:23THE TYPICAL UNDERGRADUATE OWES 20 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS.
00:24:26THAT IS COMPOUNDED OVER TIME BY INTEREST.
00:24:30THE MORE CONCERNING PART OF THAT
00:24:32IS THE NUMBER OF THOSE WHO NEVER
00:24:37GRADUATE OR GET A THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR LOAN GO AWAY.
00:24:43THERE ARE 40 MILLION AMERICANS WHO STARTED BUT NEVER FINISHED,
00:24:46EQUAL TO THE POPULATION OF CANADA. MANY STILL HAVE LOAN DEBT WITH
00:24:50NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT.
00:24:51THEY ARE VERY ANGRY, UNHAPPY AND
00:24:57PROBABLY THEMSELVES DON'T SEE
00:25:00ANY REASON TO GO TO COLLEGE THEMSELVES.
00:25:02THIS IS ALL KIND OF A SPIRAL THAT IS REALLY DAMAGING OVER TIME.
00:25:06HOST: YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE
00:25:09AMOUNT OF STUDENT -- YOU WRITE ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF STUDENT
00:25:13VISAS. HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO YOUR REPORT?
00:25:15GUEST: STUDENT VISAS HAVE BEEN
00:25:18SLOW DOWN. IT IS HARDER FOR INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS TO GET APPOINTMENTS,
00:25:21WHICH THEY NEED. THEY NEED TO HAVE INTERVIEWS AT EMBASSIES.
00:25:26AS OF LAST WEEK, THERE WILL BE
00:25:30111,000 FEWER INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS THIS FALL.
00:25:34THERE WAS ALREADY A HUGE DECLINE LAST YEAR.
00:25:36THIS DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY.
00:25:41I THINK YOU COULD GENERALIZE AND
00:25:43SAY THEY ARE CONSIDERED MORE
00:25:46PROGRESSIVE AND CONTINUE TO ATTRACT INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS.
00:25:49OVERALL, CLEARLY MANY HAVE STOPPED COMING, AND THAT IS A BIG PROBLEM.
00:25:54HOST: AUGUST REPORTS FOR THE
00:25:56HECHINGER REPORT. HIS NAME IS JOHN MARCUS.
00:26:01WHERE CAN PEOPLE FIND YOUR WORK?
00:26:02GUEST: HECHINGER.ORG AND IN OUR PARTNER PUBLICATIONS.
00:26:06HOST: HOW DO YOU INTEND TO FOLLOW UP THE STORY?
00:26:10IS THERE A FOLLOW-UP OR SOMETHING YOU WILL KEEP TRACK OF
00:26:14IT FAR AS TRENDS? GUEST: SOME OF THE INTERNATIONAL
00:26:18RANKINGS ARE REISSUED ANNUALLY.
00:26:23I SPOKE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF THE TIMES INTERNATIONAL EDUCATION
00:26:27RANKING WHO SAID WE ARE GOING TO SEE MORE DECLINE AMONG AMERICAN INSTITUTIONS.
00:26:31HOW WE REVERSE THIS IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION BECAUSE
00:26:35ONCE PEOPLE STOP COMING, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM TO COME BACK.
00:26:40SO, YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLEXITY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE
00:26:45DAMAGE THAT IS HAPPENING, BOTH SELF-INFLICTED AND FROM THE
00:26:49OUTSIDE, TO UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES. I THINK THEY ARE AWARE OF IT.
00:26:52I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF WORK
00:26:54THAT IS JUST GETTING UNDERWAY NOW TO TURN IT AROUND.
00:26:57HOST: JOHN MARCUS, THANK YOU.
00:26:59GUEST: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
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