Original Broadcaster Captioning (Enhanced). Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a quotation record.
00:00:00AND POLITICAL NEWS OF THE DAY. AND FORMER CIVIL SERVANTS
00:00:04MAUREEN CLOVER'S AND APRIL HARDING, THEIR ORGANIZATION, WE
00:00:06THE DOERS. NEW REPORT EXAMINING THE FIRING
00:00:10OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND IMPROVING THE PROCESS.
00:00:12AND AUTHOR AND PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN LINDSAY CHERVINSKY
00:00:15REFLECTS ON THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN AND HOW IT SHAPED THE
00:00:21AMERICAN REVOLUTION. C-SPAN'S WASHINGTON JOURNAL IS NEXT.
00:00:24JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON
00:00:26IT C-SPAN'S "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" IS NEXT, JOIN THE CONVERSATION LIVE.
00:00:31. . . ♪ ♪
00:00:39HOST: 47 STATES SUED, AND THEY WON.
00:00:42GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL ON THIS
00:00:45FRIDAY, AUGUST 27. WE WILL GET YOUR REACTION TO
00:00:48THAT, PAYING UP TO 18 BILLION DOLLARS TO SETTLE CLAIMS ITS
00:00:52PLATFORMS HARM CHILDREN. MY QUESTION FOR YOU, YOUR
00:00:55THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S
00:00:58IMPACT ON KIDS.
00:01:02REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
00:01:05DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
00:01:07INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
00:01:10YOU CAN TEXT AT (202) 748-8003.
00:01:14YOU CAN CATCH US ON SOCIAL
00:01:16MEDIA, FACEBOOK.COM/C-SPAN AND
00:01:20ON X AND INSTAGRAM AT @CSPANWJ.
00:01:27WE'RE GOING TO GET TO YOUR THOUGHTS AND JUST A MINUTE, BUT
00:01:31TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SETTLEMENT AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR META,
00:01:34THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT.
00:01:37THEY HAVE AGREED TO PAY UP TO 18 BILLION DOLLARS IN PENALTIES,
00:01:41STRICTER AGE VERIFICATION,
00:01:43TWO-HOUR DAILY LIMIT ACROSS FACEBOOK AND INSTAGRAM, UNLESS
00:01:47PARENTS GIVE PERMISSION FOR ADDITIONAL TIME.
00:01:49ABILITY TO TURN OFF AUTOPLAY
00:01:52FEATURE, MEANING CONTENT NO
00:01:54LONGER JUST AUTOMATICALLY PLAYS,
00:01:57CLEAR PROMPTS AND NOTIFICATIONS TO TEENS EVERY 15 MINUTES OF
00:02:01CONTINUOUS SCREEN TIME, DEFAULT
00:02:03BLOCKS FROM APPS AT NIGHT, MUTED
00:02:05NOTIFICATIONS DURING SCHOOL
00:02:08HOURS, NEW PARENTAL SUPERVISION CONTROLS.
00:02:10PARENTS CAN DECIDE HOW THEIR TEENS USE THESE APPS.
00:02:13JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS MORE
00:02:20OF THIS LAWSUIT IS JAY JONES, VIRGINIA'S STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. MR. JONES, HOW DID YOU AND THE
00:02:22OTHER STATES COME TOGETHER AND
00:02:26WHEN DID YOU DECIDE TO PURSUE THIS LAWSUIT?
00:02:30GUEST: GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I WILL NOTE THAT THIS EFFORT HAS
00:02:34BEEN MORE THAN FIVE YEARS IN THE MAKING.
00:02:36I STARTED WITH THE INVESTIGATION
00:02:38IN 2021 AND IT HAS GOTTEN US TO THIS POINT.
00:02:42I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW MONUMENTAL THE RESULT OF THE SETTLEMENT IS.
00:02:46AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE FOLKS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR OFFICE, WHO
00:02:49STARTED THIS ALL THOSE YEARS AGO COULD NOT BELIEVE WE GOT TO THIS
00:02:53POINT ULTIMATELY. THIS IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT
00:02:56IS HISTORIC, NOT JUST FOR VIRGINIA BUT ACROSS THIS COUNTRY.
00:03:00WE HAVE NOT JUST A LANDMARK SETTLEMENT IN TERMS OF DOLLAR
00:03:02FIGURES, BUT THE GUARDRAILS TO
00:03:06KEEP AMERICANS A SECURE, IT WILL KEEP CHILDREN SAFE FOR GENERATIONS.
00:03:10IT IS IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS A BIPARTISAN
00:03:13EFFORT, NOT LIMITED TO JUST DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS.
00:03:16A LARGE COALITION OF STATES WERE ABLE TO SECURE THIS BY WORKING
00:03:20TOGETHER, WHICH I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT,
00:03:23ESPECIALLY IN THIS MOMENT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY.
00:03:28HOST: IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS HEADING TO TRIAL, PROCEEDINGS HAD BEGUN.
00:03:31HOW DID THE SETTLEMENT COME ABOUT? GUEST: I THINK IT GAINED
00:03:34MOMENTUM IN RECENT DAYS, IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF THE
00:03:38STRENGTH OF OUR CASE. WE WERE LITIGATING THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA.
00:03:42I AM PROUD THAT MY TEAM WAS THERE IN THE COURTROOM ASSISTING
00:03:46TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. BUT I THINK THAT META SAW THAT
00:03:49THE THINGS I HAD DONE OVER THE COURSE OF MANY YEARS TO HARM
00:03:53CHILDREN REALLY WERE ABOUT TO COME TO A HEAD. SO THEY WERE WITH -- WE WERE
00:03:56ABLE TO EXTRACT CONCESSIONS FROM
00:03:59THEM THAT WILL CHANGE THE WAY OUR CHILDREN ENGAGE WITH SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:04:03IT WILL BE A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES AND
00:04:07HOPEFULLY MORE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES WILL FOLLOW SUIT SOON.
00:04:10HOST: HOW WILL THE MONEY GET PAID OUT?
00:04:14GUEST: WE WILL GET A PAYMENT IN VIRGINIA WITHIN THE NEXT 30
00:04:17DAYS, THEN ANOTHER IN JANUARY, AND IT WILL CONTINUE IN
00:04:19SUBSEQUENT YEARS, I THINK EIGHT MORE YEARS.
00:04:22WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT MONEY COMING INTO OUR STATE.
00:04:25OTHER STATES CERTAINLY BENEFIT FROM THIS, AS WELL.
00:04:28AGAIN, THE MONEY IS IMPORTANT,
00:04:30BUT I CANNOT UNDERSCORE HOW
00:04:32IMPORTANT THE PROTECTIONS WE
00:04:36SECURED IN THIS SETTLEMENT, THE AGE RESTRICTION, INCREASE PARENTAL CONTROLS, LIMITING
00:04:40NOTIFICATIONS IT DURING SCHOOL HOURS AND NIGHT TIME, THE LIST GOES ON.
00:04:43THESE WILL PUT THESE NECESSARY SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
00:04:47I HAVE TWO YOUNG BOYS MYSELF,
00:04:49THEY ARE FOUR AND TWO, SO ALMOST SCHOOL-AGE.
00:04:52I AM REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE ABILITY FOR PARENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY TO HELP CONTROL THE USE
00:04:57OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHAT THESE CHILDREN ARE SEEING, BECAUSE WE
00:05:00KNOW THEY HAVE HAD DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND
00:05:03OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR LIVES. THIS IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD IN
00:05:07KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE.
00:05:08HOST: DID META AGREE THAT THIS
00:05:13HAS HAD HARM TO CHILDREN'S MENTAL HEALTH? GUEST: WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND WHAT WE SHOULD TAKE AWAY
00:05:17FROM THIS IS THAT THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
00:05:20PUSHING FOR FOR SO LONG. THIS IS GOING TO HELP CHILDREN
00:05:23IN VIRGINIA AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. WE KNOW THAT SOCIAL MEDIA HAS
00:05:28BECOME AN ADDICTION. IT HAS BECOME AN EVER PRESENT PART OF THEIR LIVES AND HAS
00:05:31HARMED THEM IN WAYS THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEASURE.
00:05:35BUT THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP FORWARD, A MASSIVE VICTORY FOR
00:05:39PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILIES, TEACHERS, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.
00:05:43I AM PROUD OF THE WORK WE DID AS PART OF THE BIPARTISAN COALITION.
00:05:47STATES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY JOINED TOGETHER TO HOLD THE
00:05:51BIGGEST TECH COMPANY ON THE
00:05:52PLANET ACCOUNTABLE AND DELIVERED RESULTS. HOST: FRONT PAGE OF THE
00:05:56WASHINGTON TIMES THIS MORNING,
00:05:59STATES HAVE NO PLANS FOR
00:06:05SPENDING META FUNDS. HARMED CHILDREN NOT IN THE SETTLEMENT. THEY GO ON TO NOTE THAT BREAK
00:06:09AMONG STATES. DOES VIRGINIA HAVE PLANS FOR THIS MONEY? GUEST: I WILL NOTE THAT IN THE
00:06:11SETTLEMENT, HALF OF THE MONEY IS
00:06:13TO BE USED FOR MEDIATION TO HELP
00:06:15SOLVE THIS PROBLEM AND TACKLE THIS CRISIS, AND VIRGINIA IS
00:06:19READY AND ENGAGED. I CAMPAIGNED LAST YEAR ON
00:06:22KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE, AND THIS WILL BE A MAJOR STEP FORWARD IN
00:06:26THAT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH POLICYMAKERS TO MAKE SURE THE
00:06:29MONEY IS DEPLOYED IN WAYS THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR CHILDREN.
00:06:32THIS IS A LANDMARK MOMENT FOR VIRGINIA, ONE OF THE LARGEST
00:06:36SETTLEMENTS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMONWEALTH.
00:06:37I THINK THAT IS PRETTY TRUE FOR OTHER STATES. THIS IS A MOMENT FOR US TO
00:06:42REALLY PUT OUR MONEY AND OUR
00:06:45DOLLARS BEHIND THE EFFORT THAT
00:06:51IS LONG OVERDUE. AGAIN, THIS CASE HAS BEEN FIVE YEARS ONGOING, AND NOW WE FINALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS MONEY TO HELP UNPLUG
00:06:54OUR KIDS AND PUT THEM IN PLACES AND SPACES WHERE THEY WILL NOT
00:06:58BE DRAWN IN BY SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:07:00WE ARE LIMITING HARM, TRULY HISTORIC.
00:07:04HOST: FRONT PAGE OF THE NEW YORK TIMES, META, AFTER BINDING ITS
00:07:08HANDS, WANTS RIVALS TO DO LIKEWISE. WHAT IS YOUR MESSAGE TO THE
00:07:12OTHER BIG TECH COMPANIES? GUEST: THAT WE ARE GOING TO HOLD
00:07:15EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE. IF YOU ARE DOING HARM TO OUR
00:07:18KIDS, WE ARE GOING TO COME AFTER YOU.
00:07:21I THINK THIS IS JUST A JUMPING OFF POINT, ONLY THE BEGINNING.
00:07:25IN VIRGINIA, WE HAVE DRAWN OUR LINE IN THE SAND, COMMITTED TO
00:07:28THIS EVER SINCE 20 21.
00:07:33NOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THE FUNDS FROM THIS SETTLEMENT TO ENSURE THIS IS ENFORCED, THEN WE CAN TAKE OUR RESOURCES AND GO
00:07:37AFTER OTHERS WERE HARMING OUR CHILDREN. WE KNOW THAT FACEBOOK AND
00:07:40INSTAGRAM ARE NOT THE ONLY PLATFORMS WITH THESE ALGORITHMS AND CONTENT.
00:07:45WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HOLDING EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE.
00:07:48AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT FOR FACEBOOK
00:07:52AND INSTAGRAM'S BUSINESS PRACTICES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT
00:07:56FURTHER COMPANIES. HOST: SHOULD KIDS UNDER 16 BE
00:07:59BANNED FROM USING SOCIAL MEDIA?
00:08:03GUEST: THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE LEFT TO STATE POLICYMAKERS. WE HAVE WONDERFUL PEOPLE HERE IN
00:08:07VIRGINIA WHO ARE THOUGHTFUL, WHO ARE LISTENERS, WHO TALK TO
00:08:09PARENTS, TEACHERS, STUDENTS AND THEIR COMMUNITIES.
00:08:14IN VIRGINIA, WE ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR KIDS HAVE
00:08:17THE MOST SUPPORT POSSIBLE AND
00:08:19THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING HARMED FROM THE SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS ANYMORE.
00:08:23HOST: J JONES IS THE -- IS THE
00:08:26VIRGINIA STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
00:08:29TIME THIS MORNING.
00:08:32GUEST: THANK YOU. HOST: META RESPONDED TO THE SETTLEMENT CASE IN AN OPEN
00:08:36LETTER TO OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA
00:08:38COMPANIES, TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE, SAYING WE WANT TO ENSURE TEEN'S
00:08:42BENEFIT FROM THIS NEW INDUSTRY STANDARD, BUT WE CANNOT DO IT
00:08:46ALONE. THESE PROTECTIONS WILL ONLY BE TRULY EFFECTIVE IF WE WORK WITH
00:08:49OUR PEERS, TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE,
00:08:53TO PUT THE SAME MEASURES IN PLACE. ALL PLATFORM SHOULD EMPOWER
00:08:56PARENTS AND SUPPORT TEENS IN THESE WAYS.
00:08:59THAT IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WHEN TEENS ARE RESTRICTED ON ONE
00:09:03APP, THEY SIMPLY MOVE TO ANOTHER. FOR MEANINGFUL PROGRESS TO
00:09:07HAPPEN, WE URGE OUR PEERS TO JOIN US.
00:09:10MORE ON THAT FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES REPORTING THIS MORNING,
00:09:15TA, AFTER BINDING ITS HANDS, WANTS RIVALS TO DO LIKEWISE.
00:09:18THEY SAY THIS IS HOW THE SETTLEMENT WILL WORK, THE
00:09:21BASELINED OF META'S MONETARY SETTLEMENT IS A $12 BILLION, THE
00:09:25COMPANY HAS ALSO AGREED TO A
00:09:27TWO-HOUR DAILY TIME LIMIT FOR CHILDREN.
00:09:32META WILL REDUCE THAT TO ONE HOUR IF YOUTUBE AND TIKTOK ALSO AGREE TO A ONE-HOUR LIMIT.
00:09:36AND IF THE OTHER COMPANIES ALSO
00:09:39PAY $5 BILLION TO THE STATES, META WILL THROW IN THE REST OF
00:09:43THE $5 BILLION OR SO, AS IT HAS
00:09:47PROMISED. SO META LAYING AN INCENTIVE OUT
00:09:50TO NOT ONLY AVOID LAWSUITS TO
00:09:52TIKTOK AND YOUTUBE BUT ALSO
00:09:58INCENTIVIZING THEM TO JOIN IN
00:10:00LIMITING TEENS' ACCESS TO SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:10:04THIS MORNING, YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS.
00:10:07WE WILL HEAR FROM HARVEY FIRST
00:10:10IN SOUTH CAROLINA, DEMOCRATIC COLLAR. GO AHEAD.
00:10:13CALLER: HOW YOU GUYS DOING? DOES PUBLIC MOURNING.
00:10:17CALLER: ONE THING I RECOGNIZE
00:10:19AND REMEMBER AS A YOUNG PERSON,
00:10:22WE HAD INFLUENCERS ON TELEVISION, IT WAS ONE OF OUR
00:10:26BEST TOOLS, IN ADDITION TO THE EDUCATION WE RECEIVED,
00:10:30PARTICULARLY IN THE NEW YORK CITY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.
00:10:32BUT WE WOULD GO HOME AND WATCH
00:10:36TELEVISION. THE TELEVISION THAT WE WATCHED,
00:10:39THE PROGRAMMING WAS INSTRUCTIVE, WE LEARNED FROM IT.
00:10:43A BIG PORTION OF OUR EDUCATION
00:10:45CAME FROM AFTER SCHOOL -- NOT
00:10:48AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAMS BUT AFTERSCHOOL TELEVISION WATCHING.
00:10:52THE FEAR WE HAVE, EVEN AS ADULTS TODAY IN THE COUNTRY, LET'S LOOK
00:10:57AND AN EXAMPLE, THE MINISTER OF
00:11:01PROPAGANDA AND THE SOVIET UNION -- I MEAN, IN GERMANY.
00:11:04HE WAS PAID FROM THE REGIME TO
00:11:09INSPIRE REGULAR CITIZENS TO DO VERY BAD THINGS TO THE JEWISH POPULATION.
00:11:13WE HAVE FEAR OF SOCIAL MEDIA,
00:11:16FEAR OF ALL THE DEVICES THAT CAN
00:11:18BE USED ON AN UNWITTING OR
00:11:22UNKNOWING POPULATION THAT WE HAVE IN AMERICA.
00:11:25LEARNING AND KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, AND I DO NOT THINK THAT THE
00:11:27AMERICAN PEOPLE QUESTION THE
00:11:30SOURCES OF THE DATA AND INFORMATION THEY RECEIVE.
00:11:34SO, FOR ADULTS THAT CANNOT DO IT, I KNOW THAT CHILDREN CAN BE
00:11:37PLAYED ON JUST AS -- CAN BE
00:11:39PREYED ON JUST AS EASILY AS AN ADULT.
00:11:43HOST: SOMEONE MIGHT SAY THAT HIS SCREEN TIME, WHEN YOU'RE
00:11:46WATCHING A TELEVISION, THAT IS SCREEN TIME.
00:11:48WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE YOU BETWEEN A TELEVISION AND SOCIAL
00:11:52MEDIA PLATFORMS? CALLER: I THINK IT IS BASICALLY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, YOU HAVE
00:11:56TO USE YOUR EYES AND YOUR EARS AND YOUR FACULTIES TO ABSORB THE
00:12:01INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED TO YOU. AND YOUNG PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO
00:12:04COMPUTERS NOW. SO THIS IS ANOTHER WAY OF
00:12:08ENFORCING THAT INFLUENCE. THE OTHER THING I HAVE IS
00:12:10FOREIGN INFLUENCE.
00:12:13SURE, TRYING TO SELL PRODUCTS,
00:12:15THESE COMPANIES THAT HAVE THESE
00:12:17PLATFORMS, THEY ARE MONEYMAKING INDUSTRIES, AND THE BEST WAY TO
00:12:20SELL A PRODUCT IS TO REACH THE YOUNG PEOPLE EARLY ON.
00:12:24THAT IS WHAT CEREAL IS ALL ABOUT
00:12:29WHAT THOSE COMMERCIALS ON TV. KIDS WANT ANYTHING SWEET AND
00:12:33SUGARY. WE HAVE LEARNED THAT SUGAR IS A
00:12:36VERY HARMFUL THING, PARTICULARLY FOR COMMUNITIES THAT SUFFER FROM
00:12:40HIGH NUMBERS OF DIABETES, CHOLESTEROL, AND HEART DISEASE.
00:12:45HOST: STILL THERE? ALL RIGHT, HARVEY.
00:12:49I AM GOING TO CLARENCE IN
00:12:51MARYLAND, ALSO ON THE LINE FOR DEMOCRATS.
00:12:54YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS? CALLER: TWO THINGS.
00:12:59ONE, I AM BAFFLED AT HOW OTHER
00:13:02COUNTRIES DID THIS KIND OF
00:13:05POLICY CHANGE LIKE 10, 15 YEARS
00:13:11AGO, AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE
00:13:14ARE MAKING IT NOW TO PROTECT OUR KIDS.
00:13:18OTHER COUNTRIES WERE DOING THIS
00:13:19A LONG TIME AGO.
00:13:25KIDS BEING ALLOWED TO WATCH ANYTHING ON THOSE KIND OF MEDIA
00:13:29SITES, THAT IS NOT POSITIVE OR
00:13:31INFLUENTIAL TOWARDS THE GOOD OF
00:13:36THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE
00:13:40JUST DOING DUMB STUFF JUST TO
00:13:42GET PEOPLE RILED UP.
00:13:45I THINK THAT IS ALSO MAKING A BIG PROBLEM IN THIS WHOLE SCREEN TIME THING.
00:13:49AND I FEEL LIKE KIDS UNDER A
00:13:51CERTAIN AGE, LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT
00:13:55A TEENAGER, YOU SHOULD NOT BE OUT HERE LOOKING AT SCREENS.
00:13:59YOU SHOULD BE RUNNING AROUND
00:14:00PLAYING WITH MUD OR GOING BLOCKS
00:14:06WITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS AND HAVING FUN DOING THAT INSTEAD OF
00:14:10MAKING TIKTOK VIDEOS. IT IS CRAZY.
00:14:13IT IS ALSO WILD THAT MEDIA
00:14:18COMPANIES ARE JUST NOW MAKING IT SO THEY CANNOT HAVE -- LIKE THE
00:14:22PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN SAY IN REGARDS OF HOW OLD DOES
00:14:26NOT HOW OLD THE KID CAN BE ON BUT HOW LONG THE KID CAN BE
00:14:30GONE. IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC, LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT A CERTAIN AGE, YOU
00:14:33CANNOT GET ON IT, PERIOD. CRAZY.
00:14:37HOST: LET ME JUMP ON THE POINT YOU SAID EARLIER ABOUT WHAT
00:14:40OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING. AUSTRALIA BANNED SOCIAL MEDIA
00:14:44FOR MINORS UNDER 16 STARTING
00:14:47DECEMBER 2025, REQUIRED MAJOR TECH PLATFORMS TO BLOCK YOUNGER USERS.
00:14:52CHINA USES A DEVICE LEVEL MINOR
00:14:55MODE SYSTEM TO LIMIT DAILY SCREEN TIME AND RESTRICT APPS BASED ON AGE.
00:14:59THE U.K. AND EUROPE, U.K. PLANS
00:15:02AND UNDER 16 BANNED BY SPRING 22
00:15:05AND SEVEN, BUT THE EUROPEAN UNION IS WORKING ON A FAIRNESS
00:15:08ACT TO CURB ADDICTIVE DESIGN FEATURES FOR MINORS.
00:15:12FRANCE, A PROPOSAL -- PROPOSED
00:15:15UNDER 15 BAND WAS BLOCKED BY THE COUNTRY'S TOP COURT IN AUGUST 20
00:15:1926 OVER FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION CONCERNS.
00:15:23SO I WILL PUT THAT ON THE TABLE FOR ALL OF YOU TO REACT TO.
00:15:26YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA'S IMPACT ON KIDS FOLLOWING THIS
00:15:29LANDMARK SETTLEMENT BY META TO
00:15:32PAY $18 BILLION TO STATES, 47
00:15:38PLUS DISTRICTS AND TERRITORIES, THAT SUED OVER THE IMPACT OF
00:15:41THEIR PLATFORM ON CHILDREN.
00:15:43LET'S GO TO JOHN IN PRINCETON,
00:15:48NEW JERSEY, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: THANKS FOR TAKING MY
00:15:52CALL. LISTENING TO ALL THIS AND
00:15:54THINKING ABOUT MY OWN GRANDKIDS,
00:15:57SEEMS TO ME THAT HIGH SCHOOLS BUT START OFFERING COURSES AND
00:16:01HOW TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS TRUE WHEN YOU ARE READING THE INTERNET.
00:16:06IT IS BECOMING HARDER AND HARDER .
00:16:10AND I DON'T SEE A WAY -- I THINK
00:16:14IT SHOULD BE PART OF PUBLIC
00:16:15EDUCATION NOW TO TEACH KIDS
00:16:19TACTICS TO FIND OUT WHAT IS TRUE AND NOT TRUE. THAT IS ABOUT IT.
00:16:23HOST: OK, OTTO ON X SAYS PARENTS
00:16:32ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN. PARENTS NEED TO NURTURE, GUIDE,
00:16:35EDUCATE, SET BOUNDARIES, SPEND
00:16:36QUALITY TIME, PROTECT, SUPPORT,
00:16:39ENCOURAGE, TEACH, SAID CONSEQUENCES. PARENTAL ABDICATION IS WHAT
00:16:44ALLOWED ACADEMIA TO TAKE OVER THE KIDS PHYSICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.
00:16:47I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU AGREE, THAT IT IS UP TO THE
00:16:50PARENTS TO SET LIMITS ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:16:53TINA IN ILLINOIS, INDEPENDENT.
00:16:58CALLER: HI, I WANT TO AGREE WITH THE LAST PERSON WHO WAS ON.
00:17:01I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE
00:17:02PARENTS, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT
00:17:07PROVIDE FOR THEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT CHILDREN NEED SOME ACCESS.
00:17:11I WAS A SINGLE PARENT RAISING TWO CHILDREN.
00:17:13MY SON IS 35 YEARS OLD NOW.
00:17:16I ALSO GRAPPLED WITH THE FIRST
00:17:20PARTS OF THE INTERNET, AND SO I
00:17:24HAD TO PUT LIMITS ON MY CHILD.
00:17:28WHEN YOU HAND SOMEBODY SOMETHING
00:17:30LIKE THAT, OF COURSE YOU WILL
00:17:34RUN INTO A PROBLEM LIKE THAT, WHEN SOMEBODY DOES NOT HAVE THE
00:17:38CAPACITY. SO I BELIEVE THAT IT IS THE
00:17:41PARENTS WHO NEED TO SET THESE LIMITS TO START WITH.
00:17:45THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PROVIDE IT.
00:17:50IT STARTS THERE.
00:17:51I UNDERSTAND TEACHING CHILDREN
00:17:56HOW TO GRAPPLED WITH THE INTERNET.
00:17:58I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
00:18:02BUT IT STARTS WITH THE PARENTS.
00:18:05HOST: OK, TINA THERE IN ILLINOIS. IN THIS CASE AGAINST META,
00:18:09NEARLY ALL 50 STATES THAT SUED
00:18:13THIS BIG TECH COMPANY, THEY DID
00:18:15NOT ADMIT ANY WRONGDOING IN THIS
00:18:20SETTLEMENT. THIS IS FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS MORNING.
00:18:23ONE WEDNESDAY -- ON WEDNESDAY, SOME LAWMAKERS HINTED AT THEIR
00:18:26APPETITE TO MAKE THE RULES APPLY TO THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY.
00:18:32IN A JOINT STATEMENT, SENATOR'S MARSHA BLACKBURN OF TENNESSEE
00:18:35AND RICHARD BLUMENTHAL OF CONNECTICUT SAID AMERICANS
00:18:38NEEDED SAFEGUARDS THAT APPLIED TO ALL SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES,
00:18:42NOT JUST INSTAGRAM AND FACEBOOK OWNED BY META.
00:18:46NEW YORK TIMES GOES ON, SILICON VALLEY HAS LARGELY MANAGED TO
00:18:50STAVE OFF CHILD SAFETY CONCERNS
00:18:52BY HIGHLIGHTING CONTROLS THAT SHIFT RESPONSIBILITY TO PARENTS.
00:18:55MR. ZUCKERBERG AND HIS PEERS
00:18:59HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO REGULAR APPEARANCES ON CAPITOL HILL.
00:19:02DESPITE MORE THAN A DOZEN CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS, NOTHING
00:19:05MUCH HAPPENED.
00:19:07BUT IN 2023, META WAS SUED BY
00:19:11MORE THAN THREE DOZEN STATES
00:19:14THAT ACCUSATIVE KNOWINGLY USING FEATURES ON INSTAGRAM AND
00:19:17FACEBOOK TO HOOK CHILDREN ON ITS
00:19:19PLATFORMS, EVEN AS THE COMPANY SAID ITS SOCIAL MEDIA SITES WERE
00:19:23SAFE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.
00:19:25LET'S LISTEN TO WHAT WAS SAID IN
00:19:312020 FOUR WHEN ZUCKERBERG APPEARED ON CAPITOL HILL. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:19:35>> WITH SO MUCH OF OUR LIVES SPENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IT IS
00:19:39IMPORTANT TO LOOK INTO THE EFFECTS OF TEEN MENTAL HEALTH AND WELL-BEING.
00:19:42WE TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. MENTAL HEALTH IS A COMPLEX
00:19:45ISSUE, AND THE EXISTING BODY OF SCIENTIFIC WORK HAS NOT SHOWN A
00:19:49CAUSAL LINK BETWEEN USING SOCIAL MEDIA AND YOUNG PEOPLE HAVING
00:19:53WORSE MENTAL HEALTH INCOME -- OUTCOMES.
00:19:56A RECENT NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCE REPORT EVALUATED OVER
00:20:01300 STUDIES AND FOUND THAT RESEARCH "DID NOT SUPPORT THE
00:20:03CONCLUSION THAT SOCIAL MEDIA CAUSES CHANGES IN ADOLESCENT
00:20:07MENTAL HEALTH AND POPULATION LEVEL." IT ALSO SUGGESTED THAT
00:20:10SOCIAL MEDIA CAN PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE BENEFITS WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE USE IT TO
00:20:15EXPRESS THEMSELVES, EXPLORE AND CONNECT WITH OTHERS.
00:20:17STILL, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE RESEARCH AND USE
00:20:20IT TO FORM OUR ROADMAP. KEEPING YOUNG PEOPLE SAFE ONLINE
00:20:24HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE SINCE THE
00:20:27INTERNET BEGAN, AND AS CRIMINALS INVOLVE THEIR TACTICS, WE HAVE
00:20:31TO EVOLVE OUR DEFENSES. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO HIDE BAD ACTORS
00:20:35AND BRING THEM TO JUSTICE, BUT THE DIFFICULT REALITY IS NO
00:20:38MATTER HOW MUCH WE INVEST OR HOW
00:20:40EFFECTIVE OUR TOOLS ARE, THERE'S
00:20:43ALWAYS MORE TO LEARN AND MORE IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE.
00:20:49HOST: META CEO ON CAPITOL HILL IN 2024.
00:20:53NOW MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE MOVING ON LEGISLATION IN BOTH
00:20:56THE HOUSE AND SENATE, BUT THIS
00:20:58LEGISLATION HAS YET TO PASS IN BOTH CHAMBERS.
00:21:02EARLIER THIS YEAR, SENATOR MARSHA BLACKBURN DISCUSSED BIPARTISAN EFFORTS TO PROTECT CHILDREN ONLINE.
00:21:06HERE IS WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:21:11>> THE VIRTUAL SPACE IS THE ONLY INDUSTRIAL SECTOR IN OUR NATION,
00:21:15THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE
00:21:19SAFETY BY DESIGN, PRODUCT SAFETY
00:21:23STANDARDS. THINK ABOUT THAT. IF YOU BUY A CAR, THERE ARE
00:21:28SAFETY STANDARDS. IF YOU BUY A COFFEE POT, YOU'VE
00:21:32GOT SAFETY STANDARDS.
00:21:33IF YOU BUY A MATTRESS, THERE ARE
00:21:37SAFETY STANDARDS. BUT YOU CAN LOG ON AND GO TO A
00:21:41SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, AND
00:21:45THERE IS NOTHING TO PROTECT YOU.
00:21:50IT IS BUILT TO BE ADDICTIVE.
00:21:55HOST: HOUSE AND SENATE HAVE LEGISLATION TO DEAL WITH TEENS
00:21:59ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THE SENATE BILL, KIDS ONLINE
00:22:02SAFETY ACT, WOULD REQUIRE SOCIAL
00:22:05MEDIA AND ONLINE PLATFORMS TO AUTOMATICALLY APPLY THE
00:22:08STRONGEST PRIVACY SETTINGS FOR MINORS USING THE PLATFORMS.
00:22:12IT DISABLES ADDICTIVE FEATURES, MANDATES OPTIONS FOR YOUNG USERS
00:22:16AND PARENTS TO TURN OFF COMPULSIVE OR ADDICTIVE FEATURES
00:22:20SUCH AS ENLIST ALGORITHMIC
00:22:23FEEDS, AUTOPLAY VIDEOS, LATE-NIGHT NOTIFICATIONS. HAS PARENTAL CONTROLS THAT
00:22:27EMPOWER PARENTS THE SPECIFIC
00:22:30TOOLS TO MONITOR THE USE, SPOT
00:22:32HARMFUL BEHAVIOR, AND ACCESS
00:22:35DEDICATED REPORTED CHANNELS FOR ABUSE OR DANGEROUS CONTENT.
00:22:39ALSO INCLUDES MITIGATING SPECIFIC DANGERS, CREATES A
00:22:42LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE PLATFORMS TO PREVENT AND ADDRESS HARMS LIKE THE PROMOTION OF SELF
00:22:47HARM, SUICIDE, EATING DISORDERS,
00:22:51CYBER BULLYING, AND SEXUAL EXPLOITATION.
00:22:53IT ALSO INCLUDES INDEPENDENT AUDITS AND RESEARCH REQUIRING
00:22:57THIRD-PARTY AUDITS AND GIVES ACADEMIC OR NONPROFIT RESEARCHERS ACCESS TO PLATFORM
00:23:02DATA TO EVALUATE HOW THESE
00:23:05ALGORITHMS AND PACK THE USED. THE SENATE VERSION DIFFERS FROM THE HOUSE VERSION IN THAT IT
00:23:09FEATURES A MANDATORY DUTY OF CARE PROVISION THAT REQUIRES
00:23:13ONLINE PRODUCT -- PLATFORMS TO EXERCISE REASONABLE CARE IN
00:23:16THEIR DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION
00:23:19TO PREVENT AND MITIGATE SPECIFIC MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HARM TO MINORS.
00:23:23WE ARE ASKING YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THE IMPACT IT
00:23:27HAS ON KIDS THIS MORNING.
00:23:30JOHN AND PENNSYLVANIAN, DEMOCRAT.
00:23:32CALLER: HI, MY OPINION OF IT, 40
00:23:37YEARS AGO I WAS AGAINST IT.
00:23:39YOU KNOW, THE COMPUTER IN THE
00:23:41WAY IT IS SET UP, THEY ARE
00:23:45FOCUSED ON ONE THING. THAT IS WHY THESE KIDS ARE
00:23:48COMMITTING SUICIDE. JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU ANSWERED
00:23:51MY QUESTION WITH THAT CHART YOU HAD, SUICIDE RATES ARE UP.
00:23:57WE MISS ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT THEY ARE EXPOSED TO.
00:23:59IT IS NOT GOOD. IT SHOULD NOT EVEN BE REGULATED,
00:24:03IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF, PERIOD.
00:24:05THE WORD SOCIAL IS NOT CORRECT.
00:24:09IT SHOULD SAY --
00:24:11HOST: IT SHOULD SAY WHAT, JOHN?
00:24:15CALLER: THAT IS WHAT IT SHOULD SAY.
00:24:17HOST: GYM AND FLORIDA, REPUBLICAN. CALLER: YEAH, GOOD MORNING.
00:24:23I AM USUALLY AGAINST BIG TECH, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, I DO NOT
00:24:27REALLY UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT REALLY FALLS ON THE PARENTS TO
00:24:30PROTECT HER KIDS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT CONSUMING HARMFUL
00:24:34CONTENT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:24:38THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY KIDS
00:24:39WITH DEPRESSION IS BECAUSE THEY
00:24:42HAVE A WARPED SENSE OF REALITY WHERE THEY SEE THESE PICTURES OF
00:24:46PEOPLE IN SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEY THINK THAT IS HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE THAT IS JUST
00:24:49NOT THE CASE.
00:24:51I THINK THAT IS VERY HARMFUL, BUT I DO NOT THINK THEY SHOULD
00:24:55BE SUED FOR THAT. I THINK THAT IS WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS, AND IT SHOULD FALL
00:24:58BACK ON THE PARENTS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO NOT SEE HARMFUL CONTENT.
00:25:05HOST: TO MOSCOW, PENNSYLVANIA, AND DEPENDENT.
00:25:09CALLER: GOOD MORNING. FIRST OF ALL, THE LACK OF HUMAN
00:25:12CONTACT IS A MAJOR PART OF THE
00:25:15EROSION OF SANITY FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.
00:25:18ALSO, WE ARE BASICALLY GIVING THEM A WORLD WITHOUT HOPE WITH
00:25:23GENOCIDE AND ARE FOR. THAT IS PART OF THE ISSUE.
00:25:26BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE
00:25:30COMMENTS AND SURVIVAL WEBSITE,
00:25:35BASICALLY HUMAN RESILIENCE -- THE COMMON SENSE SURVIVAL WEBSITE.
00:25:39AND LOOKS AT PSYCHOLOGY, SLEEP
00:25:41HYGIENE, VITAMIN D.
00:25:46A LOT OF IT IS NOT HAPPENING.
00:25:49THE AVERAGE CHILD IS SEVEN MINUTES OUTSIDE, SEVEN HOURS IN
00:25:52FRONT OF A SCREEN. WE NEED TO ALSO DIRECT OUR
00:25:56ATTENTION TO VIDEO GAMES. WHAT ARE VIDEOGAMES DOING TO OUR
00:25:59KIDS LIVES, TO THEIR EMPATHY?
00:26:02YOU CAN LOOK AT THE RESEARCH,
00:26:05THERE IS A GAME CALLED ROBLOX
00:26:09FOR KIDS THAT HAS ELEMENTS IN IT
00:26:10LIKE JAILBREAK WHERE YOU COULD
00:26:14BE A PRISON GUARD OR ESCAPING PRISONER IRBY MAFIA AND DO
00:26:18BATTLE AND STEAL. I FIND IT VERY SHOCKING.
00:26:21AS BETTER SOCIAL MEDIA MAY BE AT
00:26:25MANIPULATING PEOPLE PSYCHOLOGY, ALGORITHMS DO TARGET
00:26:29SUSCEPTIBILITIES AND SUCH. BUT WE TO BE HONEST, OUR MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEM DOES NOT
00:26:33REALLY WORK. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE
00:26:37STARTING THE COMMON SENSE SURVIVAL, BECAUSE IT CAN GET
00:26:40TRAPPED IN A SYSTEM WHERE YOU ARE GIVEN PILLS THAT DO NOT
00:26:43REALLY WORK BY A GP WHO IS NOT
00:26:47QUALIFIED. HOST: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE
00:26:50BAN AND OTHER COUNTRIES. GIVEN EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID,
00:26:53WOULD YOU BAN SOCIAL MEDIA FOR
00:26:57KIDS UNDER 16? CALLER: I WOULD LIKE TO BAN
00:27:01SCREENS IN GENERAL. SOCIAL MEDIA IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
00:27:05THERE COULD BE POSITIVE ELEMENTS OF SOCIAL MEDIA, SURE.
00:27:08BUT IS THEIR FINANCIAL INCENTIVE ? I WANT TO SUMMARIZE --
00:27:13HOST: WE HEARD YOUR POINT. PEW RESEARCH DID A POLL ON THAT
00:27:16QUESTION THAT I ASKED HIM.
00:27:21NEARLY SIX IN 10 AMERICANS SUPPORT A SOCIAL MEDIA BAN FOR
00:27:24THOSE UNDER 16.
00:27:25ANTHONY ON X, STOP USING SOCIAL
00:27:30MEDIA AS A SCAPEGOAT, HE SAYS.
00:27:32PARENTS BEAR THE BRUNT OF THE RESPONSIBILITY HERE.
00:27:35THEY ARE NOT POLICING THEIR CHILDREN'S ACTIVITIES AS THEY SHOULD.
00:27:40SUSAN IN HAMPTON, VIRGINIA, REPUBLICAN.
00:27:43CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
00:27:48THEY ARE CALLED TECH GROWS, AND
00:27:51THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT STARTED
00:27:53-- THEY'RE CALLED TECH BROS, THE
00:27:56GUYS THAT STARTED THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:28:00IF YOU LOOK IT UP, THEY DO NOT LET THEIR KIDS GET ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
00:28:03THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING.
00:28:05MEN WHO HAVE CREATED IT DO NOT LIKE THEIR KIDS GET ON IT.
00:28:10AND I THINK THE CHILDREN'S THING
00:28:13THAT THE STATES HAVE DONE TO SUE IS A WAY TO START -- WHAT IS THE
00:28:17WORD HERE -- CENSORSHIP.
00:28:24HOST: ALL RIGHT.
00:28:27THIS CASE, SHE SAYS, IS A WAY TO
00:28:32START CENSORSHIP. THE FINANCIAL PENALTY FOR MEDA
00:28:35IS UP TO $18 BILLION. FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES THIS
00:28:39MORNING, THE FINANCIAL TERMS OF THE DEAL COULD BE CONSIDERED A
00:28:43BARGAIN. META PLUS CURRENT MARKET
00:28:47CAPITALIZATION HOVERS AROUND 1.45 TRILLION DOLLARS.
00:28:50THE COMPANY REPORTED A $15.85
00:28:54BILLION PROFIT IN ITS LAST QUARTER.
00:28:59YOU CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND THIS
00:29:01LANDMARK SETTLEMENT BY META WAS
00:29:0647 STATES COMING UP AS WE GET
00:29:08YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
00:29:11LISTEN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE
00:29:13OVAL OFFICE YESTERDAY SIGNING A
00:29:15DIRECTIVE THAT THE INTERIOR
00:29:17SECRETARY RENAME LAKE ONTARIO AS
00:29:21LAKE AMERICA. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:29:25>> WHAT MESSAGE ARE YOU SENDING TO CANADA WITH THIS MOVE, AND WHY WAS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU?
00:29:30PRES. TRUMP: INTERESTING QUESTION. NO MESSAGE.
00:29:33AS YOU KNOW, CANADA HAS BEEN RIPPING US OFF FOR A LONG TIME
00:29:37AND TRADE. EVEN THE MILITARY, WE DEFEND CANADA FOR NOTHING.
00:29:40THEY DON'T PAY US ANYTHING, CANADA. WE DEFEND CANADA, AND THEY
00:29:44UNDERSTAND THAT.
00:29:45AS AN EXAMPLE, WE BOUGHT
00:29:48ICEBREAKERS, THEY LIKE TO USE THEM, WE HAVE 11 COMING IN AND THEY LIKE TO USE THEM.
00:29:52THEY DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING.
00:29:55AND THEY WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A STATE, BUT THEY ARE NOT A
00:29:58STATE, BUT THEY WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE A STATE. WE JUST CANNOT DO THAT ANYMORE.
00:30:03WE LOSE, ON AVERAGE, OVER THE
00:30:06LAST 15 YEARS, 16 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR CARRYING CANADA.
00:30:09WE CANNOT DO IT ANYMORE. WE LOVE THE PEOPLE OF CANADA.
00:30:14I DO NOT THINK THEIR REPRESENTATIVES HAVE DONE AN APPROPRIATE JOB. MAYBE THEY WILL CHANGE, I REALLY
00:30:17DO NOT KNOW. DOES NOT MAKE MUCH SENSE. BUT WE CANNOT LET THE WHOLE
00:30:22CANADIAN THING, IT HAS BEEN
00:30:27GOING ON FOR DECADES, AND IT HAS TO COME TO A STOP. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING
00:30:31TARIFFS AT A SUBSTANTIAL LEVEL. WE WANT TO MAKE THE CARS HERE.
00:30:35THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OWN CARS IF
00:30:37THEY WANT, AND THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE THEIR CARS FOR CANADA.
00:30:41BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO MAKE
00:30:45THE CARS FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. VERY SIMPLE. LIKEWISE WITH MANY OF THE
00:30:49PRODUCTS.
00:30:52THE LAKE CHANGE TO LAKE OF AMERICA IS SOMETHING I WAS
00:30:55THINKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. AS YOU KNOW, WE TOOK SOMETHING
00:30:59CALLED THE GULF OF MEXICO AND
00:31:01CHANGED IT, AND NOW IT IS VERY
00:31:04ROUTINELY THE GULF OF AMERICA. SO YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE HAVE A
00:31:09GOLF AND WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE A
00:31:12GULF, WE HAVE A LAKE, AND NOW
00:31:15ALL WE NEED IS AN OCEAN, SO MAYBE WE WILL CHANGE THE NAME OF
00:31:19THE ATLANTIC AND/OR PACIFIC, MAYBE BOTH.
00:31:22HOST: THE TIT FOR TAT WITH CANADA CONTINUES THIS WEEK.
00:31:25WE CAN GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE
00:31:28TRADE WAR WITH OUR NORTHERN NEIGHBOR, AS WELL AS YOUR TOP
00:31:31NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
00:31:32COMING UP ON THE C-SPAN NETWORK,
00:31:35TODAY AT 10:30 A.M. EASTERN
00:31:38TIME, THE NATIONAL ACTION
00:31:41NETWORK MARKS THE 63RD
00:31:45ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON. THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WE WILL HEAR
00:31:49FROM VARIOUS PUBLIC FIGURES,
00:31:53INCLUDING THE REVEREND AL SHARPTON, CONGRESSIONAL BLACK
00:31:54CAUCUS CHAIR, THE VIRGINIA
00:31:58GOVERNOR, HOUSE MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES, CONGRESSWOMAN
00:32:01AOC, AND SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS,
00:32:05AMONG OTHERS. WATCH LIVE COVERAGE BEGINNING AT
00:32:0910:30 A.M. EASTERN TIME ON C-SPAN AND YOU CAN ALSO WATCH AT
00:32:12C-SPAN NOW AN ONLINE, ON DEMAND
00:32:15AT C-SPAN.ORG.
00:32:17JOINING US NOW TO DISCUSS MORE
00:32:20ABOUT THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON IS REVEREND AL SHARPTON.
00:32:24REVEREND SHARPTON, TAKE US BACK
00:32:26TO AUGUST 28, 1963.
00:32:30GUEST: AUGUST 28, 1963, I WAS
00:32:34AROUND EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD.
00:32:37AND I REMEMBER THE MY FATHER,
00:32:40AND THIS WAS BEFORE OUR FAMILY
00:32:43BROKE UP, WE DROVE TO WASHINGTON. IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO HIM BECAUSE
00:32:46HE WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THE
00:32:48DEEP SOUTH, IN FLORIDA.
00:32:51AND YOU MUST REMEMBER, IN 1963,
00:32:55WHEN THEY CAME TO WASHINGTON TO
00:33:00MARCH, THEY WERE MARCHING IN
00:33:01MANY CASES, MANY OF THE
00:33:06ATTENDEES WERE COMING FROM
00:33:07SEGREGATED HOMES, SEGREGATED
00:33:11STATES. THEY COULD NOT STOP ON THE ROAD
00:33:13TO USE A PUBLIC BATHROOM. THEY COULD NOT USE THE
00:33:17RESTAURANTS UNTIL THEY GOT ABOVE THE MASON-DIXON LINE.
00:33:21SO WE COME BACK TODAY, 63 YEARS
00:33:25LATER, WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME
00:33:29BETTER PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS AND CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT OUR VOTING
00:33:32RIGHTS ARE NOW BEING THREATENED.
00:33:35THE SUPREME COURT'S ARE DEALING IN THE LATEST DECISION ON TAKING
00:33:38OUT THE GUT OF THE SECTION TO THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH WAS
00:33:42THE 65 ACT, WHERE WE NOW CAN
00:33:46HAVE REDISTRICTING AND NO REAL
00:33:49WAY OF ADDRESSING THE IMBALANCE
00:33:52IT DOES RACIALLY, WHERE WE ARE
00:33:54TALKING ABOUT MAIL-IN VOTING
00:33:58BEING RESTRICTED WHICH AFFECTS NOT ONLY PEOPLE OF CULLER BUT
00:34:02SENIORS -- PEOPLE OF COLOR BUT
00:34:07SENIORS AND MILITARY MEN.
00:34:09SO WE ARE MARCHING TODAY, THE
00:34:13VOTING RIGHTS ACT TODAY, CIVIL
00:34:14RIGHTS ACT NOW WITH THIS
00:34:18ADMINISTRATION ELIMINATING D.E.I., WHICH MEANS WE CANNOT EVEN MEASURE WHETHER COMPANIES
00:34:21ARE FEDERAL AGENCIES ARE DIVERSE OR NOT, BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE
00:34:25KNOCKED ALL THAT OUT, SO WE ARE NOT COMING TO COMMEMORATE, WE
00:34:28ARE COMING TO CONTINUE AND FIGHT FOR THIS DAY AND HOUR.
00:34:33HOST: 63 YEARS AGO, WHAT WAS THE
00:34:36GOAL OF GATHERING IN WASHINGTON? AND WAS IT ACHIEVED?
00:34:41GUEST: 63 YEARS AGO, THE GOAL
00:34:43WAS TO HAVE DESEGREGATION LEGAL,
00:34:46TO END JIM CROW.
00:34:48IT WAS ACHIEVED IN TERMS OF GETTING A LAW.
00:34:52THE FOLLOWING YEAR, THEY GOT THE JIM CROW, GOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS
00:34:55ACT OF 1964. THAT WAS ACHIEVED.
00:34:59FOLLOWING YEAR, 1965, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
00:35:03ALL OF THAT TOOK ACTIONS LIKE WE DOING TODAY.
00:35:05IT TOOK THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON TO GALVANIZE.
00:35:09AND THEN WE WENT BACK SOUTH TO ORGANIZE AND CONTINUE.
00:35:13THAT LED TO THE 1964 ACT.
00:35:16IT TOOK SELMA, ALABAMA AND OTHER
00:35:20THINGS TO LEAD TO 1965.
00:35:23SO MARCHES LIKE THIS, LIKE THE
00:35:24MARCH THEN, ARE SHOWING THE PROBLEMS.
00:35:28THEN YOU GO TO THE GROUND AND ORGANIZE AROUND THE PROBLEM.
00:35:32TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE
00:35:34DEEP SOUTH ON A TOUR, DOING VOTING BRIGADES.
00:35:38THIS IS NOT JUST AN EVENT, IT IS
00:35:41THE KICK OFF OF A REAL SUMMER
00:35:44AND FALL OF ORGANIZING AROUND
00:35:47THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. NOT AROUND PARTY BUT ARE THE POLICY.
00:35:51WE NEED THIS NEW CONGRESS TO
00:35:54COME WITH A NEW VOTING RIGHTS ACT THAT IS BULLETPROOF THROUGH
00:35:57THE SUPREME COURT, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ORGANIZING AROUND
00:36:02VOTING FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE, NOT WHO THEY BELIEVE OR WHAT PARTY
00:36:05THEY BELIEVE. YOU BELIEVE IN VOTING RIGHTS, IF
00:36:09YOU BELIEVE IN HAVING STRONG MAIL-IN BALLOTS, THAT IS WHERE
00:36:12WE ARE GOING TO ORGANIZE. HOST: REFERENCE SHARPTON,
00:36:16EXPLAIN THOSE WHO WILL BE ON THE STAGE TODAY, THE SPEAKERS YOU
00:36:19HAVE ASKED TO COME SPEAK AND WHY.
00:36:22GUEST: MARTIN LUTHER KING, III,
00:36:27DR. KING'S ELDEST SON, AND
00:36:31ANDRIY OF WATERSKIING AND I ARE COCHAIRING THIS, AND THE
00:36:34GRANDSON WILL BE SPEAKING -- AND
00:36:39MARTIN LUTHER KING'S GRANDSON WILL BE SPEAKING.
00:36:41THIS IS NOT A ONE-SIDED EVENT. YOU HAVE A GOVERNOR FROM
00:36:45VIRGINIA.
00:36:46YOU HAVE THE MINORITY LEADER OF
00:36:50THE HOUSE, HAKEEM JEFFRIES. YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
00:36:53CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS.
00:36:55YOU HAVE THOSE THAT ARE CONSIDERED MORE PROGRESSIVE,
00:36:58SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS IS
00:36:59SPEAKING, CONGRESSWOMAN
00:37:03ALEXANDRIA BECAUSE JO CORTES IS SPEAKING.
00:37:05YOU HAVE FAITH LEADERS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN, JEWISH, AND
00:37:10MUSLIM.
00:37:11THE IDEA IS TO SAY THAT WE DO
00:37:14NOT ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON
00:37:17EVERYTHING, BUT WE DO AGREE THAT
00:37:20VOTING RIGHTS MUST BE RESTORED FOR EVERYONE AND PROTECTED FOR
00:37:25EVERYONE, AND THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE FIGHT FOR A
00:37:28DIVERSIFIED AMERICA APPEARED IN THE THIRD POINT, OF COURSE, IS
00:37:31THE HEALTH CARE BILL, WHICH DEALS WITH AFFORDABILITY.
00:37:35SO WE ARE TRYING TO SHOW TODAY
00:37:37WHERE WE CAN AGREE IT IS
00:37:42IMPORTANT, WE CAN DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.
00:37:46HOST: REVEREND AL SHARPTON, CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST, THANK YOU
00:37:50VERY MUCH. GUEST: THANK YOU.
00:37:53HOST: WE ARE COVERING THE MARCH
00:37:56ON WASHINGTON, THE 63RD
00:37:59ANNIVERSARY, 10:30 A.M. EASTERN TIME RIGHT HERE ON C-SPAN OR OUR
00:38:03FREE VIDEO AND MOBILE APP C-SPAN
00:38:05NOW, AND ONLINE, ON DEMAND AT
00:38:10C-SPAN.ORG. GEORGE IN ATLANTA, INDEPENDENT CALL.
00:38:13WE WANT TO KNOW YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY. WHAT IS IT?
00:38:21CALLER: GOOD MORNING. IN GENERAL, MY TOP NEWS STORY IS
00:38:24THE AFFORDABILITY CRISIS WHEN IT COMES TO HEALTH CARE.
00:38:26I THINK I'LL SHARPTON WAS SAYING IT AT THE END OVER THERE, AND I
00:38:30WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT.
00:38:32BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A REAL, REAL BIG ISSUE.
00:38:36I ALSO THINK THERE IS ANOTHER
00:38:38ISSUE, WHICH IS WE ARE SEEING
00:38:43MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TURN TO
00:38:45ALTERNATIVE REMEDIES, WITH HOMEMADE VACCINES IN SOME CASES.
00:38:49PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED
00:38:52OF THE PRICE. SORRY, JUST CATCHING MY BREATH.
00:38:57SO PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO TO THE DOCTOR, AND THEY ARE TURNING
00:39:01TO ALTERNATIVE REMEDIES WHICH CAN BE VERY HARMFUL IN SOME
00:39:05CASES. FOR INSTANCE, LAST NIGHT, SOMEONE GAVE ME A PROSTATE EXAM --
00:39:09HOST BUT OK, WE WILL GO TO
00:39:12MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN CALLER. MOVING ON. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
00:39:16I WAS JUST NOTICING THE PICTURE
00:39:18THERE FROM 1963, HOW MANY PEOPLE
00:39:22WERE GATHERED AROUND THE REFLECTING POOL, WHICH AT THE
00:39:26TIME IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS REFLECTING, NOW IT IS A GREEN MESS.
00:39:29AND IF YOU GO THERE NOW, THE
00:39:33CLOWN WE HAVE AN OFFICE WILL ARREST YOU. THAT'S IT.
00:39:37HOST: LARRY, BOWLING GREEN, KENTUCKY, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
00:39:41TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA.
00:39:44IT IS ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT.
00:39:47I THINK IT IS BLACKMAIL TO THE
00:39:51CONSTITUTION.
00:39:54ONE, THIS IS A PAGE OUT OF CARL
00:39:57MARXIST COMMUNISM, ALL ABOUT
00:40:00NAZISM, AND AN ATTACK AGAINST A
00:40:06FIRST AMENDMENT OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. IT IS BIG BROTHER STICKING ITS
00:40:09NOSE AND ANOTHER PART OF ANATOMY
00:40:12ANATOMY INTO OUR LIVES.
00:40:15GOD BLESS BILL GATES, JEFF
00:40:17BEZOS, AND ELON MUSK, PART OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM IN AMERICA.
00:40:23I ALWAYS FOUGHT AGAINST ACLU --
00:40:28WHERE I COULD JOIN THE ACLU.
00:40:30THIS IS ANOTHER ATTACKED ON OUR FIRST AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL
00:40:35RIGHTS. I WILL PUT YOU IN THE TIME MACHINE.
00:40:40REMEMBER, MY FELLOW LISTENERS,
00:40:41WHAT TIPPER GORE TRIED TO DO BY
00:40:46PUTTING CENSORSHIP LABELS ON THE
00:40:47MUSIC WE LISTEN TO?
00:40:51SHE WAS BEING HYPOCRITICAL
00:40:53BECAUSE SHE COMES TO THE MUSIC CAPITOL OF THE WORLD.
00:40:56THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF BIG BROTHER LOOKING OVER OUR
00:40:59SHOULDERS AND SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THIS AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
00:41:04THIS IS COMMUNISM AND CENSORSHIP INVADING AMERICA.
00:41:07AND DONALD TRUMP WILL ALWAYS BE
00:41:11A RACIST, PREDATOR JUST SPEAK IT, AND NARCISSIST, AND
00:41:15ANTICHRIST. I HATE TO SEE AMERICA BEING
00:41:18TAKEN OVER BY COMMUNISM AND NAZISM.
00:41:23THIS IS AN ATTACK AGAINST A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM, OUR FIRST
00:41:26AMENDMENT RIGHTS. HOST: ALL RIGHT, LARRY THERE IN KENTUCKY.
00:41:29FROM PAGE OF USA TODAY.
00:41:31SUSAN PAGE WRITES, WILL WAR HUNT TRUMP'S LEGACY?
00:41:36AT THE SIX MONTH MARK IN IRAN,
00:41:38LESSONS HAVE BEEN STARK.
00:41:41PRESIDENT TRUMP GAVE AN UPDATE ON THE CONFLICT WITH IRAN YESTERDAY.
00:41:45HERE IS WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:41:48PRES. TRUMP: IRAN, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT PAYING THEIR
00:41:52TROOPS, AND THEY ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE CAPACITY.
00:41:57LESS TIME, WE TOOK 24 BOATS THROUGH THE STRAIT.
00:42:00WE TAKE THEM THROUGH ALL THE TIME, VERY OPENLY.
00:42:03DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE FINISHED WITH THE MILITARY, BUT THE
00:42:06STRAIT IS OPEN, AS YOU KNOW.
00:42:09THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ IS OPEN. WE HAVE CONTROL, AND WE HAVE THE BLOCKADE.
00:42:14IRAN IS NOT GETTING ANYTHING, NOTHING IS GOING THROUGH, NOT ONE SHIP.
00:42:19>> WILL YOU PUNISH RUSSIAN THAT THEY CONTINUE -- PRES. TRUMP: IT DEPENDS.
00:42:23I THINK RUSSIA HAS BEHAVED QUITE WELL HAVING TO DO WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
00:42:27YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO, WE DO ALSO.
00:42:30SOME SAY, WHAT ABOUT CHINA?
00:42:33WE HEAR THEY ARE SPYING.
00:42:35WE SPY ON THEM, TOO.
00:42:38>> WHAT ABOUT SANCTIONING CHINESE BANKS THOUGH?
00:42:44HOPE PRES. TRUMP: WHO SAID I AM NOT. YOU DON'T KNOW IF I AM DOING IT.
00:42:47I DON'T HAVE TO ANNOUNCE EVERYTHING, DO I?
00:42:51HOST: PRESIDENT TRUMP IN THE OVAL OFFICE YESTERDAY ON THE
00:42:55SITUATION WITH IRAN. FRANCE 24 WITH THE HEADLINE,
00:42:58IRAN CALLS ON TRUMP'S LIES ABOUT
00:43:02U.S. CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. A SPOKESMAN FOR THE MILITARY
00:43:05COMMAND ON THURSDAY CALLED OUT THE PRESIDENT FOR LIES AND
00:43:09FABRICATIONS AFTER HE CLAIMED ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WASHINGTON HAD
00:43:12TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ. IRAN HAS MAINTAINED CONTROL OF
00:43:16THE STRAIT, A VITAL ENERGY CONDUIT, SINCE THE OUTBREAK OF
00:43:20THE WAR ON FEBRUARY 28.
00:43:24SIX MONTHS IS MARKED THIS WEEK OF THE CONFLICT WITH IRAN.
00:43:27THAT IS ALSO ON THE TABLE AS THE TOP NEWS STORY OF THE DAY.
00:43:31KAY IN MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN.
00:43:37CALLER: FIRST OF ALL, I AM WONDERING, WITH THE REVEREND AL
00:43:40SHARPTON, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE ASKED LIKE HOW MANY BLACK FAMILIES WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPED
00:43:44IF HE WOULD HAVE PAID HIS BACK
00:43:47TAXES, AND THEN REGARDING THE
00:43:49LAKE OF AMERICA, I ACTUALLY LOVE
00:43:53IT. NOW I AM WAITING FOR THE
00:43:57RENAMING OF THE CANADIAN GEESE.
00:44:00THEY WILL NOW BE KNOWN AS DONALD DUCK. ANYWAY, HAVE A GREAT DAY.
00:44:05WE LOVE DONALD TRUMP. HOST: GEORGE IN NEW YORK, DEMOCRAT.
00:44:09CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.
00:44:12MY TOPIC TODAY IS THE 18 BILLION DOLLAR SETTLEMENT WITH META.
00:44:16I AM REMINDED THAT SOMETIME
00:44:19AROUND 1980, THE COURTS DECIDED
00:44:22THAT AT&T WAS A MONOPOLY AND THE
00:44:24SOLUTION WAS TO BREAK IT INTO EIGHT COMPANIES.
00:44:27I THINK A SIMILAR THING SHOULD BE DONE WITH META, WITH THE
00:44:31ADDITIONAL PROVISION THAT THE
00:44:33OWNERS OF META, NAMELY MR.
00:44:36ZUCKERBERG, WOULD BE PROHIBITED
00:44:39FROM OWNING MORE THAN 20% OF THE
00:44:42STOCK OF ANY OF THE EIGHT SUBSEQUENT COMPANIES.
00:44:45THANK YOU SO MUCH.
00:44:47HOST: CATHERINE, BURLINGTON, NEW JERSEY, DEMOCRAT.
00:44:50CALLER: GOOD MORNING AGAIN, SHOUT OUT TO REVEREND AL
00:44:55SHARPTON. AFTER 63 YEARS, I CANNOT BELIEVE
00:44:59THAT WE NEED ANOTHER MARCH ON WASHINGTON BECAUSE OUR VOTING
00:45:03RIGHTS ARE BEING ATTACKED AGAIN.
00:45:05IN THE SAVE ACT IS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY, GRETA.
00:45:13THE STUMBLE CONTINUES FOR A VOTER'S RIGHTS IN AMERICA.
00:45:17THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOST: FROM THE WALL STREET
00:45:19JOURNAL, REPORTING THIS MORNING, KENNEDY CENTER DOUBLES DOWN ON
00:45:24FIGHT ON TRUMP'S NAME. THE SAME JUDGE WHO PREVIOUSLY
00:45:29ORDERED TRUMP'S NAMES BE TAKEN DOWN IS CONSIDERING A NEW
00:45:33ATTEMPT TO ADD IT BACK.
00:45:36THE COMMERCE SECRETARY, HOWARD LUTNICK, WHO THE PRESIDENT
00:45:39TAPPED TO OVERSEE THE KENNEDY RENAMING AND RENOVATIONS WAS
00:45:43OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM YESTERDAY TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT THIS
00:45:46LATEST EFFORT BY THE PRESIDENT
00:45:49AND THE KENNEDY BOARD, WHO THE PRESIDENT REPLACED.
00:45:53HERE IS WHAT MR. LUTNICK HAD TO SAY. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:45:58>> BASICALLY SAYING, IF IT IS GOING TO BE UNSAFE, WHAT ARE WE
00:46:01GOING TO BOOT -- DO ABOUT IT?
00:46:04WE ARE IN GOOD SHAPE FROM THE BILL IF THEY AGREE TO CLOSE IT
00:46:07AND LET HIM RENOVATE IT. IF THEY DO NOT AGREE TO LET HIM
00:46:11CLOSE AND RENOVATE, BECAUSE THE COURTS STEP IN, WHAT DO YOU WANT
00:46:15THE GUY TO DO? HE IS ONLY PRESIDENT FOR TWO AND HALF YEARS.
00:46:18HE IS GOING TO STEP AWAY, AS, CORRECTLY, YOU WOULD THINK YOU
00:46:22WOULD BECAUSE HE WILL NOT DO ONE THIRD OF THE RENOVATION.
00:46:26EVENTUALLY, THIS BUILDING WILL FALL INTO HORRIBLE DISREPAIR AND BE VERY DANGEROUS.
00:46:29AND THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, ULTIMATELY IT NEEDS TO
00:46:32BE RENOVATED AND WE ALL KNOW IT.
00:46:39>> DOES THE BOARD WANT TO GIVE THE PRESIDENT CREDIT FOR THE
00:46:43RENOVATION AND PUT HIS NAME ON IT, WHY NOT DO THAT IN TWO YEARS
00:46:47AFTER THE RENOVATION IS DONE? ISN'T THAT HOW IT USUALLY WORKS?
00:46:51>> ACTUALLY, IT IS NOT USUALLY HOW IT WORKS.
00:46:53THE IDEA, WHEN HE HAD THE GREATEST PHILANTHROPIST, THAT
00:46:56GUY IS GOING TO RAISE YOU $500
00:47:01MILLION, YOU JUST NEED HIM TO AGREE. WHATEVER THE TERMS ARE, SINCE YOU KNOW HE IS THE MOST CREDIBLE
00:47:04PERSON IN THE WORLD, WHEN HE SAYS I AM GOING TO RAISE THE MONEY, YOU KNOW HE IS GOING TO
00:47:09RAISE THE MONEY. YOU NEED TO ENTICE IT, GET HIM
00:47:13TO AGREE TO WEAR IT AND DO IT. AND THE BOARD HAS MADE THAT
00:47:17DECISION. IT IS A PRUDENT DECISION TO THE BOARD.
00:47:19I LISTENED TO THE BOARD DISCUSS IT. IT IS VERY PRUDENT.
00:47:24IT THEY SAID, WELL, MAYBE I WILL DO IT LATER.
00:47:27OK, MAYBE HE WILL RAISE THE MONEY LATER.
00:47:30THAT IS NOT THE WAY IT WORKS. YOU MAKE AN AGREEMENT AND SHAKE
00:47:33HANDS WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP TO
00:47:36RAISE YOU $5 MILLION, THE BOARD IS INDUCING HIM, SAYING I WILL
00:47:39ACKNOWLEDGE YOU IF YOU RAISE ME THE MONEY. COMMIT TO RAISE ME THE MONEY,
00:47:43AND I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU. IF HE COMMITS TO RAISE THE MONEY, I WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE HIM.
00:47:48I WOULD DO IT IN A MINUTE. HOW MUCH DO LETTERS COST?
00:47:51AND IF HE DID NOT DO IT, YOU COULD ALWAYS TAKE THE LETTERS DOWN. HE IS GOING TO DO IT.
00:47:55HE IS THE PRESIDENT. HE DELIVERS EVERY TIME HE SAYS IT.
00:48:01HOST: HOWARD LUTNICK YESTERDAY TALKING TO REPORTERS ABOUT THE
00:48:04LATEST EFFORT BY THE PRESIDENT TO GET HIS NAME ON THE KENNEDY CENTER.
00:48:08IF YOU MISSED ANY OF THAT AND WANT TO HEAR MORE FROM THE
00:48:11COMMERCE SECRETARY, GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND FIND IT AT C-SPAN.ORG.
00:48:17ROCCO IS IN GEORGIA, REPUBLICAN. WHAT IS YOUR TOP NEWS STORY OF
00:48:21THE DAY? CALLER: MORNING.
00:48:24I HAVE BEEN WATCHING FOR WEEKS NOW. ALL THESE PEOPLE COMPLAINING
00:48:27ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS.
00:48:31SO, THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT DATA CENTERS,
00:48:34THE AVERAGE PERSON ACCESSES A
00:48:39DATACENTER 100 TIMES PER DAY.
00:48:41SO IF YOU OWN AN IPHONE, IF YOU
00:48:45OWN A GALAXY PHONE, AND YOU ARE
00:48:48AGAINST DATA CENTERS, I WANT YOU TO TAKE THOSE TELEPHONES AND
00:48:52THROW THEM IN THE TRASH CAN AND GET A FLIP PHONE.
00:48:55BECAUSE IT IS HYPOCRITICAL OF
00:48:57PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACCESS TO
00:48:59IPHONES TO NOT WANT DATA CENTERS.
00:49:01THERE ARE PLENTY OF SPACES IN
00:49:04THIS WIDE OPEN COUNTRY, FROM
00:49:06COAST TO COAST, TO PUT DATA CENTERS.
00:49:10HOST: SHOULD THESE COMPANIES,
00:49:13THESE AI COMPANIES PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY THEY ARE GOING TO USE?
00:49:17CALLER: YES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE
00:49:19SELF SUSTAINING POWER PLANTS AT THE DOUBT -- AT THE DATA
00:49:23CENTERS. THERE IS ONE NEAR WHERE I LIVE.
00:49:25IT IS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
00:49:29THERE WAS NOTHING BUT TUMBLEWEEDS AND BRUSH OUT THERE, AND NOW THERE IS A FUNCTIONING DATA CENTER.
00:49:33IT IS NOT HURTING ANYBODY. BUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
00:49:38IPHONES AND PHONES AND TV'S AND
00:49:42ARE GOING TO THE INTERNET, ALL
00:49:45THAT RUNS THROUGH THE DATA CENTERS.
00:49:47IT IS JUST A BUNCH OF HYPE THAT PEOPLE HAVE FELL INTO.
00:49:52HOST: ALL RIGHT, ROCCO.
00:49:53LET'S GO TO ED IN NEW YORK,
00:50:00DEMOCRAT. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT
00:50:03NAMING THEIR AIRCRAFT CARRIER
00:50:06AFTER DONALD TRUMP. I HAVE HEARD THAT THAT IS A
00:50:10POSSIBILITY.
00:50:11ONE, I AM AGAINST IT BECAUSE HE
00:50:15IS LIVING. TWO, HE IS A DRAFT DODGER, SO HE
00:50:19HAS NO BUSINESS HAVING A CARRIER NAMED AFTER HIM.
00:50:21IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED DORI
00:50:27MILLER, WHICH IS BETTER, BUT IT
00:50:29IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE THAT IS
00:50:33AFTER A HERO OF WORLD WAR II AND
00:50:36THERE'S OTHER HEROES OF THE WAR
00:50:40GIVEN THE NAME OF A DESTROYER
00:50:44LIKE THE SULLIVANS OR DANIEL
00:50:48INOUYE. BETTER NAME ONE AFTER A LIVING
00:50:53PRESIDENT AND ONE LIKE TRUMP?
00:50:58PLEASE. IF YOU ARE GOING TO NAME IT
00:51:01AFTER A LIVING PRESIDENT, MAKE
00:51:03THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME.
00:51:06NAME THEM AFTER JOE BIDEN.
00:51:09OR IF YOU HAVE TO NAME IT AFTER
00:51:11BIDEN -- I MEAN, NAME IT AFTER
00:51:16TRUMP, HOW ABOUT THE USS BONE
00:51:20SPURS? THANK YOU. HOST: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GETTING YOUR TOP NEWS
00:51:24STORY OF THE DAY. REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
00:51:27DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
00:51:29INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
00:51:35WHAT WILL DRIVE THE NEWS CYCLE
00:51:39TOMORROW? WALL STREET IS ANTICIPATING
00:51:40REMARKS FROM THE FED CHAIR,
00:51:45KEVIN WARSH, WHO IS GIVING HIS FIRST KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THE
00:51:49JACKSON HOLE ECONOMIC POLICY
00:51:52SYMPOSIUM, AN ANNUAL EVENT HOSTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE
00:51:55BANK OF KANSAS CITY AND WYOMING,
00:51:58WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND FINANCIAL INDUSTRY LEADERS.
00:52:01CHAIRMAN WARSH WILL DISCUSS
00:52:02MONETARY POLICY THREE MONTHS
00:52:06INTO HIS TENURE AS HEAD OF THE CENTRAL BANK.
00:52:08YOU CAN WATCH LIVE AT 10:00 A.M.
00:52:10EASTERN TIME ON C-SPAN, C-SPAN
00:52:14NOW, AND ONLINE, ON DEMAND AT C-SPAN.ORG.
00:52:18WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS MORNING, BESSENT TESTS
00:52:21BOUNDARIES WITH THE FED. IT SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE
00:52:26CHAIR -- KEVIN WARSH TAKES THE
00:52:30STATE OR FRIDAY AND JACKSON HOLE WITH AN UNUSUAL PRESENCE LOOMING
00:52:32OVER HIM, A TREASURY SECRETARY
00:52:35STEPPING CLOSER TO TERRAIN LONG TREATED AS THE FEDS.
00:52:39THE OVERLAP FIGURES TO BE AMONG THE MOST DISCUSSED SUBJECTS
00:52:43AMONG CENTRAL BANKERS ON THE SIDELINES OF THE KANSAS CITY
00:52:46FED'S ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM. PUSHED FAR ENOUGH, IT RISKS
00:52:50BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN THE CENTRAL BANK IN THE ADMINISTRATION.
00:52:53THE FED SETS POLICY TO MANAGE
00:52:56INFLATION AND EMPLOYMENT, NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE
00:53:00GOVERNMENT TO FUND ITSELF.
00:53:03WALL STREET AND ECONOMIC ANALYST
00:53:06WILL ALSO BE WATCHING TO HEAR WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
00:53:09KEVIN WARSH HAS TO SAY ABOUT THE
00:53:11NEXT MEETING OF THE FED AND
00:53:13WHETHER OR NOT THEY INCREASE
00:53:17INTEREST RATES. TUNE IN TODAY AT 10:00 A.M.
00:53:19EASTERN TIME, RIGHT HERE ON
00:53:21C-SPAN, C-SPAN NOW, AND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG.
00:53:27NATE IN FRANKLIN, INDIANA, REPUBLICAN.
00:53:30GOOD MORNING. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING.
00:53:34HEY, JUST WHAT WE WERE ALL WAITING ON TO MAKE OUR LIVES
00:53:38BETTER, AND THAT IS THE RENAMING
00:53:40OF THE LAKE ONTARIO.
00:53:43IT IS WONDERFUL. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE
00:53:46MORE WORRIED ABOUT?
00:53:48LET ME SPEAK TO ALL MY FELLOW
00:53:52SENIORS.
00:53:53IN 2032, IT IS CURRENT LAW THAT
00:53:59WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY RUNS OUT OF
00:54:03FUNDS, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A
00:54:0522% CUT.
00:54:08IF YOU ARE GETTING $1000, SOCIAL
00:54:12SECURITY WILL BE $780.
00:54:16IF YOU ARE GETTING $2000, GOING
00:54:19TO BE $1560.
00:54:24THAT IS CURRENT LAW, AND
00:54:27NOBODY'S DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THIS PRESIDENT IS NOT DOING
00:54:30ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
00:54:32IT IS NOT PART OF ANY OF THESE CAMPAIGNS.
00:54:382032 IS COMING SOONER THAN WE THINK. AND WE'RE DOING JUST THE OPPOSITE.
00:54:42YOU KNOW, LAST MONTH, IN THE
00:54:44MONTH OF JULY, WE ADDED $432
00:54:51BILLION TO THE NATIONAL DEBT, IN ONE MONTH.
00:54:56AND THIS PRESIDENT IS ON HIS WAY
00:54:58TO BECOMING A $19 TRILLION
00:55:03PRESIDENT. EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH,
00:55:06HE IS SPENDING MONEY.
00:55:08WHAT DOES IT COST TO CHANGE THE
00:55:11NAME OF A LAKE, ONLY TO HAVE IT
00:55:14CHANGED BACK WITH THE NEXT PRESIDENT? HOST: I HAVE GOT TO LEAVE IT
00:55:18THERE BECAUSE LEONARD IS WAITING IN VIRGINIA, DEMOCRAT.
00:55:21CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA.
00:55:23THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
00:55:27PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY LOVE DONALD TRUMP, IT IS SAID.
00:55:30HE IS SITTING UP HERE SAYING
00:55:36THAT PEOPLE NOT GOING TO PAY FOR THE BALLROOM.
00:55:38HERE WE ARE, TAXPAYERS, PAYING FOR THE BALLROOM.
00:55:43AND THEN OK, KENNEDY CENTER.
00:55:47THIS MAN, HE WILL TEAR THINGS
00:55:53DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PUTTING HIS NAME UP ON IT.
00:55:57HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING UNTIL THEY DECIDED TO TAKE HIS NAME DOWN.
00:56:00IT IS SAID. I WANT TO TELL MY REPUBLICAN
00:56:04FRIENDS ON THE OTHERS I, I LOVE
00:56:06REPUBLICAN PEOPLE, HAVE REPUBLICAN FRIENDS.
00:56:10I AM A DEMOCRAT, BUT I DO NOT
00:56:12SEE -- HE IS ALL FOR HIMSELF AND
00:56:15HIS FAMILY AND PEOPLE AROUND HIM.
00:56:20AND I KNOW HE IS NOT PLANNING ON LEAVING THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:56:24WHEN IT IS READY FOR HIS TERM TO BE UP, THAT IS WHY HE IS DOING
00:56:27WHAT HE IS DOING, HE IS NOT GOING TO LEAVE. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
00:56:32A COUPLE OTHER STORIES TO SHARE. CONGRESS IS OUT ON THEIR SUMMER
00:56:37RECESS.
00:56:38BUT THE FAUCI CONTEMPT AND
00:56:43PROSECUTION OF THAT IS INSTALLED. WALL STREET JOURNAL IS REPORTING
00:56:47THAT THE EFFORT TO HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT CERTIFIED THIS
00:56:50CONTEMPT OF CONGRESS AND GO AROUND A FULL VOTE ON THE SENATE
00:56:54FLOOR HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT TAKEN
00:56:58ANY ACTION YET. ALSO SHARE WITH YOU THIS ABOUT
00:57:01COMING UP, WHEN CONGRESS RETURNS, FROM THE NEW YORK
00:57:05TIMES, SENATE DEMOCRATS ARE PLANNING TO FORCE A VOTE ON
00:57:09ISRAEL'S HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, THE EFFORT LED BY SENATOR CHRIS VAN
00:57:13HOLLEN, DEMOCRAT OF MARYLAND, PLANS TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION
00:57:16THAT WOULD ORDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO PROVIDE CONGRESS WITH A DETAILED
00:57:20ACCOUNTING OF ISRAEL'S HUMAN RIGHTS PRACTICES IN THE WEST BANK, LAYING THE GROUNDWORK TO
00:57:24FORCE A VOTE IN THE MATTER OF COMING WEEKS.
00:57:28MORE ON THAT, AND YOU CAN ALWAYS
00:57:30TUNE INTO OUR GAVEL-TO-GAVEL COVERAGE OF THE SENATE ON
00:57:34C-SPAN2.
00:57:36COMING UP LATER, FORMER CIVIL
00:57:41SERVANTS MAUREEN KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING DISCUSS THEIR ORGANIZATION'S WE THE DOERS NEW
00:57:45REPORT ON EXAMINING THE FIRING OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEE AND
00:57:48IMPROVING THE PROCESS. FIRST, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR,
00:57:52AUTHOR, AND TALKSHOW HOST ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS DISCUSSES
00:57:56CAMPAIGN 2026 AND POLITICAL NEWS OF THE DAY. WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. ♪
00:58:04>> C-SPAN IS AS UNBIASE YOU
00:58:09CAN GET. >> YOU ARE SO FAIR, I DO NOT
00:58:12KNOW HOW ANYBODY CAN SAY OTHERWISE. >> YOU GUYS DO THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK FOR EVERYONE IN
00:58:16THIS COUNTRY. >> I LOVE C-SPAN BECAUSE I GET TO HEAR ALL THE VOICES. >> YOU BRING THESE DIVERGENT VIEWPOINTS AND PRESENT BOTH
00:58:20SIDES OF THE ISSUE AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN MINDS. >> I ABSOLUTELY LOVE C-SPAN,
00:58:24LOVE TO HEAR BOTH SIDES.
00:58:26>> I HAVE WATCHED C-SPAN EVERY
00:58:28MORNING, AND IT IS UNBIASED AND
00:58:31YOU BRING IN FACTUAL INFORMATION FOR THE CALLERS TO UNDERSTAND
00:58:34WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR COMMENTS.
00:58:37>> THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN HEAR
00:58:42HONEST OPINIONS OF AMERICANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. >> YOU GUYS AT C-SPAN ARE DOING
00:58:46SUCH A WONDERFUL JOB OF ALLOWING FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, WITHOUT A LOT OF INTERRUPTION.
00:58:49>> THANK YOU, C-SPAN, FOR BEING
00:58:50A LIGHT IN THE DARK.
00:58:59>> CAMPAIGN 2026 IS UNDERWAY,
00:59:01AND THE STAKES CANNOT BE HIGHER. EVERY SEAT IN THE U.S. HOUSE OF
00:59:06REPRESENTATIVES IS UP FOR GRABS,
00:59:07ALONG WITH 33 U.S. SENATE RACES.
00:59:10AND THE OUTCOME OF BOTH COULD RESHAPE THE BALANCE OF POWER IN WASHINGTON.
00:59:14VOTERS WILL ALSO DECIDE 36 GUBERNATORIAL CONTESTS.
00:59:18FROM THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TO
00:59:21ELECTION NIGHT, FOLLOW CAMPAIGN
00:59:232026 ON THE C-SPAN NETWORKS. AT C-SPAN, BRINGING YOU
00:59:27DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
00:59:31>> STAYING INFORMED IS ESSENTIAL.
00:59:34THE C-SPANSHOP HAS THE APPAREL TO MATCH YOUR CIVIC ENERGY.
00:59:37PREMIUM T-SHIRTS, HATS, AND DRINK WHERE.
00:59:40EVERYDAY FAVORITES FOR THOSE PASSIONATE ABOUT POLITICS
00:59:44THROUGH C-SPAN. THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERY
00:59:46C-SPAN FAN, AND EVERY PURCHASE HELPS SUPPORT OUR NONPROFIT
00:59:50OPERATIONS. SHOP NOW OR ANYTIME ONLINE AT
00:59:54C-SPAN.ORG. GEAR UP FOR ENGAGEMENT.
01:00:00>> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL" CONTINUES.
01:00:02HOST: WE WANT TO WELCOME BACK TO THE "WASHINGTON JOURNAL"
01:00:06ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, COLUMNIST, TV TALK SHOW HOST, ENTREPRENEUR,
01:00:10OWNER OF THE BALTIMORE SUN,
01:00:12WHICH HE BROUGHT WITH HIM TODAY
01:00:15AND I WILL PUT ON THE CAMERA TO SHOW THE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN SEE
01:00:18THE FRONT PAGE. I WANT TO START WITH CAMPAIGN 2026 THOUGH.
01:00:23ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, WHERE DO YOU
01:00:25SEE THIS HAD IT
01:00:29>> I THINK THE FACT THAT JARED
01:00:38KUSHNER AND THE HOUSE MINORITY
01:00:41LEADER, HAKEEM JEFFRIES, MET PRIVATELY I THINK THAT'S AN
01:00:45INDICATION FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
01:00:48THAT THE POLL NUMBERS SHOW THEM THEY COULD LOSE THE HOUSE BY A
01:00:52WIDE MARGIN AND THE PRESIDENT
01:00:55REALIZES THAT WOULD BE A GAME CHANGER.
01:00:58IT'S IMPORTANT TO FIND COMMON GROUND NOT FOR THE POLITICAL
01:01:02PARTIES BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
01:01:05BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE LOST THE
01:01:08FAITH IN THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE MILLIONS WHO CONTINUE
01:01:13TO STRUGGLE IN THE ECONOMY. I THINK THE REPUBLICANS, NO
01:01:15MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SAY THE OTHER SENATE SEATS ARE IN PLAY,
01:01:19I THINK THEY WILL MAINTAIN THE
01:01:22SENATE, BUT TRUMP -- IT WILL BE
01:01:26A DIFFERENT WORLD IF HE LOSES THE HOUSE. A VASTLY DIFFERENT WORLD.
01:01:29I SAW RECENTLY WHERE AL GREENE
01:01:32WAS BACK UP TO HIS OLD TRICKS
01:01:35TRYING TO PUSH ANOTHER IMPEACHMENT.
01:01:38IF YOU NOTICE ON THE LEFT, THE
01:01:41AOCS, WHO WERE THE PROGRESSIVES
01:01:47IN THE PARTIES, THEY HAVE TAMED THEMSELVES.
01:01:51SHE HAS PRESIDENTIAL WISHES, AND
01:01:54SO SHE'S CHANGING THE NARRATIVE.
01:01:56HOST: IF THE REPUBLICANS LOSE
01:02:00THE MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE, WHY
01:02:01WILL THAT HAVE BEEN THE CASE?
01:02:04GUEST: I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT
01:02:07FOR THE PRESIDENT, I MUST SAY THAT. I THINK HE'S DONE A LOT OF GOOD.
01:02:11I LIVE IN WASHINGTON D.C., I HAPPENED TO WALK TO THE STUDIOS,
01:02:15WASHINGTON D.C. IS THE SAFEST
01:02:18I'VE KNOWN IT TO BE.
01:02:20CROWN -- CRIME IS DOWN,
01:02:26HOMELESSNESS, THE PRESIDENT'S TARIFFS HAVE NOT WORKED FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
01:02:30THE MOST RECENT WITH CANADA,
01:02:34AMERICANS FEEL THIS AT THE POCKETBOOK. THE TARIFFS HAVE BEEN GOING FOR
01:02:38OVER A YEAR NOW. AND THE PRESIDENT SAID TRUST
01:02:41HIM, AND THE PEOPLE TRUSTED HIM.
01:02:44BUT THE POCKETBOOK ISSUES IS
01:02:46UNBELIEVABLE, PAYING FOR DRUG
01:02:48COSTS, GROCERIES, EVEN THE PRESIDENT SAID A WEEK OR SO AGO,
01:02:52THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW NORMAL, FUEL PRICES ARE GOING TO
01:02:56SORE. HE MAY FEEL AS THOUGH AMERICANS ACCEPT THAT AND THEY GROWL.
01:03:00IT'S HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE BANK ACCOUNT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
01:03:04THE SAME REASON, JOE BIDEN LOST, THE POCKETBOOK ISSUES.
01:03:08I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN DO, OR THE WHITE HOUSE OR CONGRESS TO
01:03:12CHANGE THAT. AND ALSO, THE PRESIDENT IS
01:03:15LOSING A LOT OF THE GLUE THAT HELD THIS TOGETHER.
01:03:19HE'S GOING AFTER CASSIDY --
01:03:23HOST: BILL CASSIDY OF
01:03:27LOUISIANAS. >> JOHN CORNYN IN TEXAS.
01:03:30TILLIS IS NOT SEEKING RE-ELECTION.
01:03:33YOU CAN ONLY ATTACK YOUR ALLIES UNTIL THEY IN THEIR OWN WAY
01:03:37PRIVATELY RETALIATE.
01:03:39WE SAW THAT WITH TODD BLANCHE.
01:03:42HE HAD TO SIGN THE LETTER THAT THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT
01:03:46WEAPONIZE JANUARY 6TH.
01:03:48REPUBLICANS ARE NOT AS
01:03:51SUPPORTIVE OF THE PRESIDENT AND HIS POLICIES.
01:03:55HOST: YOU SAID THERE'S NOTHING THE PRESIDENT CAN DO, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE IRAN WAR AND ENDING IT
01:04:00TO HELP WITH THE PRICE OF OIL AND GAS?
01:04:02GUEST: HE CAN'T END IT. HOST: HE CAN'T END IT? GUEST: NO.
01:04:06IF THERE'S ONE THING THE
01:04:08PRESIDENT REGRETS, I'LL SAY IT, IS GOING INTO IRAN.
01:04:12HE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIS
01:04:14VICE PRESIDENT, JD VANCE, HE
01:04:16SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THOSE
01:04:19WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND, IRAN CAN
01:04:22ABSORB LOSS, HUMILIATION. REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TOLD AT
01:04:25THE BEGINNING, YOU GO IN, TAKE OUT THE LEADERSHIP, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY WILL
01:04:29JUST BEND THE KNEE AND IT'LL BE OVER.
01:04:32THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
01:04:34THEY DOUBLED DOWN AND NOW WE'RE
01:04:38FIGHTING THE BATTLE WITH THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ, I THINK THAT
01:04:41THE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS WHICH THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT IN PLACE AT
01:04:44THE VERY BEGINNING IS EFFECTIVE. I THINK IT'S SQUEEZING IRAN BUT
01:04:47WE DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL RETALIATE. BUT THE WAR, THE PRICE TAG FOR
01:04:52THAT WAR, THE DEFICIT, IT'S
01:04:54JUST -- I MEAN, IT'S JUST
01:05:05ASTRONOMICAL. THE OTHER THING THAT WE DON'T KNOW, THERE ARE NO REPORTERS EMBEDDED TO TELL US THE FACTS OF THAT WAR.
01:05:09WE HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE BULLY PULPIT AND OTHER SOURCES TO TELL
01:05:12US WHAT THE CASUALTIES ARE, LOSSES ARE.
01:05:15EVERYTHING THAT WE HEAR FROM THE PRESIDENT IS ROSES, EVERYTHING IS OPTIMISTIC.
01:05:19WE'RE HAVING A GREAT DAY. BUT THE RHETORIC DOESN'T ALWAYS
01:05:22MATCH THE REALITY OF THE RESULTS. THERE'S NO PEACE AGREEMENT, NO TRUCE.
01:05:26AND EVEN THOUGH THINGS ARE QUIET NOW, IT'S ONLY BECAUSE WE DON'T
01:05:29HAVE ALL THE NAKTS ABOUT WHAT'S
01:05:30ACTUALLY GOING ON ON THE GROUND.
01:05:33HOST: THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID WE HAVE CONTROL OVER THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ.
01:05:37IRAN SAYS NO, YOU DON'T. WE HAVE HAD CONTROL SINCE
01:05:40FEBRUARY 28TH WHEN YOU STARTED THIS WAR.
01:05:43GUEST: THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING,
01:05:46ARGUING, THEY HAVE NOT REACHED AN AGREEMENT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAS CONTROL
01:05:49OVER IT RIGHT NOW. AND THE WHITE HOUSE IS LEARNING
01:05:53THAT MISSILES AND JETS AND MILITARY MIGHT MAY DO WELL IN
01:05:57THE FIRST WEEK OF THE WAR. BUT AT SOME POINTS YOU HAVE TO
01:06:00FIND SOME KIND OF -- YOU HAVE TO
01:06:02FIND HUMILITY -- IT'S HUBRIS TO
01:06:05UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FIGHTING A DIFFERENT KIND OF ENEMY.
01:06:07AND IRAN IS OUR ENEMY LET US BE
01:06:10CLEAR ON THAT. HOST: DOES PRESIDENT TRUMP NEED
01:06:13TO CAMPAIGN FOR CANDIDATES ON THE TRAIL OR SHOULD HE STAY
01:06:17AWAY? GUEST: IT DEPENDS UPON THE STATE.
01:06:21IN SOUTH CAROLINA, DARLINE
01:06:25GRAHAM WAS A BREATH OF FRESH
01:06:28AIR, HER VICTORY WAS NOT JUST A VICTORY FOR THE PRESIDENT AND
01:06:31HIS COATTAILS PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS, WE PUT IN THESE
01:06:35PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS THEY SPEND THEIR LIFETIME IN
01:06:39WASHINGTON, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT?
01:06:41WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR IN
01:06:43TERMS OF MY KIDS' EDUCATION, SIT
01:06:46BETTER IN THIS COUNTRY, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHOW FOR A BETTER WAY OF LIFE?
01:06:50DO I FEEL MORE SECURE THAN I DID FOUR YEARS AGO?
01:06:53>> AND PEOPLE ARE REALIZING THAT EVERY TWO YEARS A FARMER WOULD
01:06:58COME, EVERY SIX YEARS A NURSE WOULD COME AND SERVE, EVERY SIX
01:07:01YEARS A PLUMBER WOULD COME.
01:07:04THEY NEVER ENVISIONED A PROFESSIONAL POLITICAL CLASS
01:07:07GOVERNING US.
01:07:09AND SO, DARLINE GRAHAM WAS A
01:07:12BREATH OF FRESH AIR.
01:07:15NO SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING SHE
01:07:18KNOWS ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY BUT
01:07:23HER BROTHER'S STAFF IS STILL IN PLACE SHE'LL COME IN WITH A
01:07:27STAFF THAT GUIDES HER THROUGH
01:07:29THE WORKING IN THE SENATE.
01:07:31HOST: THEY COME IN WITH
01:07:34CANDIDATES WITH TOUGH RACES.
01:07:38YESTERDAY IN TEXAS, HE SAID, REPUBLICANS HAVE AN
01:07:41EXTRAORDINARY RECORD TO RUN ON. DO YOU AGREE? GUEST: DEPENDS ON WHO'S
01:07:45LISTENING.
01:07:46IF HE'S TALKING ABOUT CRIME, IF
01:07:49HE'S TALKING ABOUT JOBS HAVE BEEN CREATED.
01:07:53BUT IT'S THE KIND OF JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED.
01:07:56THEY'RE SKILL JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED.
01:07:59IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SKILLS TO FILL THOSE JOBS THEN YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
01:08:03YOU'RE OUT HERE STRUGGLING.
01:08:06AN EDUCATION IS MORE IMPORTANT TODAY THAN IT HAS BEEN.
01:08:09WHATEVER HE'S CAMPAIGNING ON OR TOUTING IT HAS TO MATCH THE
01:08:13REALITY OF HOW PEOPLE LIVE EVERY DAY. HOST: SOUNDS LIKE YOU WOULDN'T
01:08:17USE THE WORD STROOD. >> IT'S NOT EXTRAORDINARY. IT'S ORDINARY.
01:08:21THEY'RE NOT GIVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NO EXTRA.
01:08:25LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THAT.
01:08:28HOST: LET'S GO TO DAVID, IN
01:08:31SOUTH CAROLINA, A REPUBLICAN.
01:08:35GO AHEAD. CALLER: IT'S AN HONOR TO SPEAK WITH YOU.
01:08:38I WATCH YOU A LOT AND YOU'RE THE BEST.
01:08:42I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CLEAR UP A
01:08:46COUPLE OF THINGS.
01:08:48THERE'S A -- I THINK THERE'S A
01:08:52MYTH, AND C-SPAN PERPETUATES IT THAT ALMOST BLACKS GOT THE RIGHT
01:08:56TO VOTE IN '64, PROBABLY 100
01:09:00YEARS EARLIER AND THERE'S NEVER A MENTION OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS
01:09:04ACTS OF '57 AND '60.
01:09:08THERE'S A COMMON BELIEF THAT THE
01:09:10ONLY CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS WERE IN
01:09:12THE MIDDLE '60s AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF JOHNSON.
01:09:16THAT'S ANOTHER STORY, BUT NEVER
01:09:18A MENTION OF '57 AND '60 BECAUSE
01:09:21THEY WERE REPUBLICAN BILLS. REPUBLICAN LAWS.
01:09:24I WONDER IF YOU COULD JUST SAY A WORD ON THAT.
01:09:27AND THE OTHER MAJOR TOPIC -- HOST: DAVID, YOU ARE BREAKING
01:09:31UP SO I'M GOING TO HAVE
01:09:32MR. WILLIAMS ANSWER YOUR FIRST
01:09:35QUESTION THERE. GUEST: HE IS CORRECT, THE
01:09:38HOUSING BILLS, THE REPUBLICANS WERE ALWAYS STRONG SUPPORTERS
01:09:42OF -- LOOK AT ABRAHAM LINCOLN
01:09:45AND THE EMANCIPATION
01:09:49PROCLAMATION. SO MANY THINGS AFTER BARRY
01:09:51GOLDWATER BECAME THE NOMINEE AND
01:09:53SAID HE WOULD TURN BACK THE
01:09:56ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THINGS THAT HAD BEEN ACHIEVED DURING THAT CIVIL
01:10:00RIGHTS ERA. IT WAS REPUBLICANS ALWAYS ON THE
01:10:03FOREFRONT AND SO, THAT HISTORY IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED.
01:10:06BUT YOU KNOW THE DAY WE LIVE IN
01:10:10A DIFFERENT REALITY. THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO USE RACE
01:10:14AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT ACHIEVING THE AMERICAN DREAM.
01:10:18YOU SEE IMMIGRANTS GIVE THEIR LIVES, SACRIFICE EVERYTHING TO
01:10:21COME ACROSS WATERS AND REALIZE
01:10:25THE AMERICAN DREAM IN YEARS. AMERICA IS A PLACE OF OPPORTUNITY.
01:10:28WHAT IS LACKING NOW IS OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IS DISMAL,
01:10:31IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. AND YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF
01:10:35WHY. WHY IS IT THAT AMERICA CANNOT
01:10:38COMPETE WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. WHY DO THE NUMBERS STEADY GOING
01:10:41DOWN? WHY DO WE REWARD FAILURE?
01:10:44IT'S NOT AN INDICTMENT OF THE
01:10:46PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, SCHOOL
01:10:49CHARTERS, PRIVATE EDUCATION, PUBLIC EDUCATION, WE SHOULD
01:10:53REWARD RESULTS.
01:10:55WHATEVER WORKS WE SHOULD REWARD RESULTS IN EDUCATION.
01:10:59IT'S SHAMEFUL, ALMOST CRIMINAL,
01:11:00EVEN IF YOU LOOK WHERE WE ARE IN
01:11:04BALTIMORE, AT THE BALTIMORE
01:11:05SCHOOL SYSTEM, THEY CAN'T DO
01:11:08BASIC MATH, READ AND YOU ASK WHY. YOU PAY THESE SUPERINTENDENTS
01:11:11AND ADMINISTRATORS ALL THE MONEY.
01:11:14I DON'T MIND PAYING PEOPLE FABULOUS MONEY BUT YOU SHOULD
01:11:17GET MONEY BASED ON RESULTS. WE SHOULD ASK QUESTIONS WHY IS
01:11:20EDUCATION BEING DUMBED DOWN.
01:11:22TAKE WOODBRIDGE ELEMENTARY
01:11:24SCHOOL IN WOODBRIDGE, VIRGINIA,
01:11:29THEY HAVE THE BEST RATING FOR ACADEMICS IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.
01:11:33ASK YOURSELF WHAT IS IT THE
01:11:36PRINCIPAL DOES SEVEN DAYS A
01:11:38WEEK, GETTING THE PARENTS
01:11:41INVOLVED, READING WITH THE KIDS, EVERY CHILD HAS AN OPPORTUNITY
01:11:46TO LEARN, YOU CANNOT FAIL ANY KID BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT
01:11:49WHAT IT IS THAT MAKES THAT KID ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT LEARNING.
01:11:53SIT THROUGH MUSIC, PUZZLES, FINDING THEIR ENTHUSIASM,
01:11:57WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR THAT KID TO LEARN. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL.
01:12:02THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT
01:12:04TEACHERS UNIONS HAVE WRONG.
01:12:07EVERY KID LEARNS DIFFERENT. NO CHILD. WHEN WE FAIL THESE -- YOU KNOW
01:12:11WHERE THEY END UP, THE CRIMINAL
01:12:13JUSTICE, NO CAREER, NO
01:12:16SELF-WORTH AND NO SELF-ESTEEM.
01:12:22YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS THE FAILURE IN THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.
01:12:26HOST: TODAY IS THE 63RD ANNIVERSARY OF THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON.
01:12:30THE MARCH IS BEING HELD TODAY.
01:12:32REVEREND AL SHARPTON'S NATIONAL
01:12:34ACTION NETWORK AND THE THEME IS DEFEND THE VOTE.
01:12:38DO YOU BELIEVE VOTING RIGHTS ARE UNDER ATTACK?
01:12:42GUEST: NO. I BELIEVE VALUES, I BELIEVE
01:12:44CIVICS, I BELIEVE CRITICAL
01:12:46THINKING IS UNDER ATTACK.
01:12:49YOU KNOW, WE CAN USE ALL THESE
01:12:52SUBTERFUGES THAT WE WANT TO NOT REALLY TALK ABOUT THE REAL ISSUE.
01:12:56ANYBODY WHO'S REGISTERED OR WHO
01:13:00HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND
01:13:02WHO HAS THE ID AND PRESENT
01:13:05THEMSELVES, THEY'RE ABLE TO VOTE.
01:13:07YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE OCCASIONS BECAUSE SOMEONE, SOMETHING TO DO
01:13:10WITH THE BALANCE OR WHATEVER, IS GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH VOTING BUT THAT'S MORE THE
01:13:14EXCEPTION THAN THE RULE. I DO AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT ON
01:13:17THIS, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE
01:13:19INTEGRITY OF OUR VOTING SYSTEM.
01:13:23SOMEBODY WHO'S DEAD SHOULD NOT
01:13:25END UP VOTING, SOMEBODY WHO IS
01:13:27ILLEGAL SHOULD NOT END UP
01:13:31VOTING. PEOPLE FOUGHT LONG AND HARD FOR THOSE RIGHTS.
01:13:34HOST: ORGANIZATIONS WHO STUDY
01:13:37IT SAY IT'S SUCH A SMALL NUMBER
01:13:40IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE --
01:13:42GUEST: I AGREE BUT ONE IS TOO MANY.
01:13:46HOST: LET'S GO TO GEORGIA. CALLER: YES, I WAS CALLING IN
01:13:50REFERENCE WHEN I HEARD THE CALLER BEFORE, AND I WAS CALLING
01:13:54ARMSTRONG, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
01:13:58THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND
01:14:00EVERYTHING AND JOBS.
01:14:03BUT I WAS SAYING THEY HAVE
01:14:05BETTER EDUCATION DEPARTMENT AND
01:14:07THERE ARE NO JOBS AND THEY HAVE
01:14:10GOTTEN RID OF ALL THE BLACK
01:14:12PEOPLE THAT WAS WORKING AND
01:14:15WE -- AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS
01:14:18TO GO TO BECAUSE THEY AFRAID TO
01:14:20HIRE US BECAUSE OF TRUMP.
01:14:22AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE NEED THIS LEADERSHIP BACK.
01:14:26AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DESTROY
01:14:28OUR DEMOCRACY, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS MAN IS SO
01:14:32FOCUSED ON PUTTING HIS NAME ON
01:14:35BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF LIKE AFFORDABILITY.
01:14:39AND PUTTING TARIFFS ON CANADA.
01:14:41AND WE ARE PAYING THE PRICE FOR IT.
01:14:45HOST: ALL RIGHT, BRENDA, LET'S
01:14:46TAKE THOSE TWO POINTS.
01:14:49ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS? GUEST: SHE ONLY SPEAKS TO
01:14:53EXPERIENCE AND WHAT SHE'S EXPOSED TO. AND IN HER MIND THERE'S A BELIEF
01:14:57THAT THEY'RE TAKING JOBS AWAY FROM BLACKS.
01:15:00THE PRESIDENT'S CUTS WHERE IT
01:15:03PROBABLY ELIMINATED 250,000 FEDERAL EMPLOYEES INCLUDED
01:15:07PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE. MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED
01:15:11BY THOSE CUTS.
01:15:14AND I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES --
01:15:17I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BIBLE
01:15:19TELLS US DON'T ALLOW YOUR GOOD
01:15:21TO BE EVIL SPOKEN OF BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE CAN FORGET THE
01:15:25GOOD YOU DO. I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S PURSUIT
01:15:28OF THE KENNEDY CENTER AND THE
01:15:31ART TRIUMPH AND HAVING HIS NAME ON CURRENCY.
01:15:34I THINK IT DOES TAKE AWAY. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT
01:15:37AMERICANS SHOULD DO LONG AFTER YOU'VE GONE, ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR
01:15:40SUCCESS AND WHAT HE CONTRIBUTED.
01:15:43I THINK HE NEEDS A LITTLE LESS
01:15:46HUBRIS AND A LITTLE MORE
01:15:50HUMILITY. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT TO SAY THAT ALSO IN TERMS OF IRAN.
01:15:54WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO
01:15:56WIPE OUT A CIVILIZATION.
01:16:01IT'S ONE THING FOR YOU AND I TO SAY THAT BUT WHEN THE PRESIDENT
01:16:04SAYS IT IT HAS A FAR REACHING
01:16:09IMPACT. AND SO I THINK SHE A HAS A POINT, WHY IS THE PRESIDENT SO
01:16:13INSECURE, NOTHING SATISFIES HIM GIVEN ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS
01:16:16HE'S DONE.
01:16:17I THINK THAT'S A SPIRITUAL ISSUE
01:16:20NOT A POLICY ISSUE. BUT THE POINT ABOUT BLACKS AND
01:16:24JOBS AND THEY DON'T WANT US, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE.
01:16:27THERE'S NO TRUTH TO THAT.
01:16:29HOST: COMING UP ON THE
01:16:34WASHINGTON JOURNAL WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE REMOVAL PROCESS FOR
01:16:38GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
01:16:39THAT CONVERSATION COMING UP ON
01:16:43""THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL" WE'LL HEAR FROM MICHAEL IN
01:16:48GAINESVILLE, FLORIDA, AN INDEPENDENT.
01:16:51CALLER: WONDERFUL, HI. WE HAVE THIS PERSON TALKING
01:16:54ABOUT THAT PERSON IS CRAZY OR IRRATIONAL. IT COMES FROM BOTH SIDES.
01:16:58I WONDER IF YOU READ THE BOOK
01:17:01"STOP WALKING ON EGGSHELLS" IT'S
01:17:04BEEN MENTIONED PARTS OF IT,
01:17:07BASICALLY TRUMP AND THE -- TRUMP'S RELATIONSHIP WITH THE
01:17:10WORLD IS A DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP.
01:17:13AND IT'S BASED ON THE
01:17:16CHARACTERISTICS OF BORDER LINE
01:17:18PERSONALITY DISORDER, THE DOCTOR
01:17:21WHO WROTE THE BOOK ON CHILD
01:17:24ABUSE AND ADVERSE CHILDHOOD EXPERIENCES.
01:17:27HE SAID THAT ABOUT TWO OR THREE ARE ABUSED OR NEGLECTED IN THE
01:17:31U.S., AND THIS CHANGES HOW WE
01:17:33VOTE AND WHO WE VOTE FOR.
01:17:36ON YOUR SHOW, THE ABILITY FOR
01:17:38YOUR VIEWERS TO ANONYMOUSLY VOTE, YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN
01:17:43THIS, YOU ASKED A QUESTION, THEY
01:17:46FLIP A COIN AND IF THE ANSWER IS
01:17:47YES, THEN THEY SAY HEADS AND IF
01:17:53NO, THEY -- THEN THEY SAY
01:17:56WHATEVER THE TOSS IS.
01:17:58IF IT'S -- IF THE ANSWER IS YES,
01:18:01THEY SAY HEADS IF THE ANSWER IS YES TO THE QUESTION.
01:18:04THAT WAY, WHEN YOU POLL IT, YOU
01:18:06DEDUCT FROM 50/50 AND YOU CAN
01:18:09CALCULATE EASILY IN YOUR HIND,
01:18:14WHAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT CLASSROOM OR SCHOOL -- WE CAN KNOW THE TWO THIRDS OF A
01:18:18SCHOOL OR CLASSROOM IS BEING ABUSED IS WHAT I'M SAYING AND WE
01:18:22CHOOSE NOT TO DO IT, HOW DARE WE DO THAT.
01:18:25HOST: ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL. LET'S GET A RESPONSE FROM
01:18:29ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS. GUEST: I THINK THERE'S A DEEPER
01:18:31ISSUE HE SPEAKS TO GRETA.
01:18:35IT'S CRITICAL THINKING.
01:18:37MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHY AND CONCLUDE WHY THEY'RE VOTING FOR
01:18:41SOMEONE, UNDERSTANDING BASED ON THEIR OWN CRITICAL THINKING,
01:18:45THEIR OWN RESEARCH, SOCIAL
01:18:47MEDIA, NETWORKS, OTHERS HAVE A
01:18:50STRONG INFLUENCE ON PUSHING --
01:18:53AND I WON'T CALL IT THEIR AGENDA. THEY PUSH AN AGENDA.
01:18:57SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE INDEPENDENT THINKING OUT HERE.
01:19:00THE OTHER THING I THINK SHOULD TROUBLE US.
01:19:04I CRITICIZE THE PRESIDENT CONSTRUCTIVELY.
01:19:07FOR HE AS A BROADCASTER AND CO-OWNER OF THE BALTIMORE SUN,
01:19:11WE'RE REFEREES. IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO TELL PEOPLE
01:19:14WHAT TO THINK. WE MAY SHOW THEM IN OUR PUBLICATIONS WHAT TO THINK
01:19:18ABOUT. IT IS NOT MY JOB TO ADVOCATE ANY CANDIDATE.
01:19:22IT'S MY JOB TO SHOW BOTH
01:19:25CANDIDATES, THE BEST AND THE WORST OF THAT.
01:19:27AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME TO
01:19:30THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS. I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH
01:19:33THE PRESIDENT NOW, THEY JUDGE HIM WITH THE WORST OF AMERICA.
01:19:36THEY DON'T LOOK -- THEY CAN'T SEE THE GOOD THAT HE DOES,
01:19:39BECAUSE THEY HATE HIM AND DISLIKE HIM SO MUCH.
01:19:43HE'S A BULLY. HE PUSHES OUT A LOT OF RHETORIC
01:19:46HIMSELF, THE STUFF HE SAYS IT'S NOT HELPFUL.
01:19:49I WISH HE WOULD NOT TWEET THINGS
01:19:51HE TWEETED, TONE DOWN HIS RHETORIC.
01:19:54HE CONTRIBUTES TO THIS VOLATILITY IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.
01:19:57FOR ANYONE TO TRY TO SEPARATE IT
01:20:00FROM HIM, THEY'RE NIGH NAIVE.
01:20:06BUT TO ME, THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT ARE NO DIFFERENT.
01:20:10THE LEFT TRUMP CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT, THE RIGHT HE CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING WRONG.
01:20:13NO ONE CAN SEE.
01:20:15WHAT IT DOES, IT CANCELS OUT EACH OTHER.
01:20:19THAT'S WHY THE INDEPENDENT FREE THINKING VOTER IS SO IMPORTANT
01:20:23TO OUR DEMOCRACY.
01:20:26HOST: YOU HAVE CRISIS IN THE
01:20:29CLASSROOM, THE BOOK, I WANT TO SHOW OUR VIEWERS WHAT PRESIDENT
01:20:32TRUMP HAD TO SAY EARLIER THIS
01:20:34WEEK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION'S EFFORTS ON SCHOOL CHOICE.
01:20:38>> AS WE REMOVE THE FAR LEFT EXTREMISM FROM THE CLASSROOM
01:20:42WE'RE TAKING HISTORIC ACTION TO ENSURE THAT EVERY CHILD IN
01:20:46AMERICA HAS ACCESS TO A FIRST
01:20:49CLASS EDUCATION. THE UNITED STATES SPENDS MORE
01:20:52MONEY ON EDUCATION THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD BY
01:20:56DOUBLE. AND OUR RESULTS SHOULD BE BETTER THAN THEY ARE.
01:20:59I WOULD LOOK AT LISTS WHERE WE'RE RATED OUT OF THE 40 TOP
01:21:03NATIONS WE'RE RATED 38, 39, AND
01:21:0740 WITH ALL THE MONEY WE SPENT.
01:21:10BUT LINDA HAS CHANGED THAT SO RAPIDLY AND DRASTICALLY.
01:21:14IT'S SHOCKING HOW FAST IT'S GONE UNDER HER LEADERSHIP.
01:21:17ONE YEAR AGO AS PART OF THE GREAT BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL WE
01:21:20PASSED THE EDUCATION FREEDOM TAX CREDIT, THE LARGEST EVER
01:21:24EXPANSION OF SCHOOL CHOICE AND
01:21:26WE WANT -- THANK YOU. AND WE WANT EVERY PARENT TO HAVE
01:21:30THE POWER TO SEND THEIR CHILD TO
01:21:32A HIGH QUALITY SCHOOL THAT
01:21:34SHARES THEIR VALUES.
01:21:37SO IMPORTANT.
01:21:39HOST: MR. WILLIAMS IS THAT THE
01:21:42RIGHT APPROACH BY THE PRESIDENT? GUEST: IT'S AN APPROACH.
01:21:46IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE.
01:21:49YOU KNOW, ASK YOURSELF WHY A
01:21:53CHILD CAN GET A QUALITY CATHOLIC
01:21:55EDUCATION FOR HALF THE PRICE.
01:21:58AND THE PARENT HAS SO MUCH TO
01:22:00SHOW FOR THAT CHILD'S EXPERIENCE
01:22:03IN THAT ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW, LISTEN, TEACHERS HAVE
01:22:07TO WEAR SO MANY HATS TODAY.
01:22:10COUNSELORS, PSYCHOLOGISTS,
01:22:13PARENTS, DISCIPLINARIANS, AND
01:22:16THEY DON'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO DO WHAT THEY DO WELL IN THE
01:22:19CLASSROOM, WHICH IS TEACH.
01:22:21THEN YOU HAVE OTHER TEACHERS WHO
01:22:24MAY BE IN A CLASSROOM TEACHING
01:22:27MATH AND HAVE LITTLE TO NO EXPERIENCE IN MATH.
01:22:30THEY MAY BE TEACHING A SUBJECT THAT IT'S NOT WHERE THEIR
01:22:34STRENGTH LIES. THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS.
01:22:37LISTEN, AS I SAID EARLIER, KIDS
01:22:40LEARN DIFFERENTLY. SCHOOL CHOICE IS JUST AN OPTION
01:22:44TO -- WHEN PUBLIC SCHOOLS FAIL. LISTEN, I'M A PRODUCT OF A
01:22:48PUBLIC SCHOOL. BUT I ALSO HAD PARENTS WHO WERE
01:22:51VERY INVOLVED IN ANY EDUCATION.
01:22:53YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE
01:22:55TODAY WHO HAD KIDS AT A YOUNG
01:22:58AGE AND DID NOT NECESSARILY GET THE EDUCATION THEY NEED.
01:23:01LISTEN, A CHILD'S EDUCATION SHOULD NOT BE DETERMINED BY
01:23:05THEIR ZIP CODE OR THEIR WEALTH. WEALTHY FAMILIES CAN GET TUTORS,
01:23:09MOVE THEIR KIDS, THEY HAVE ALL OTHER RESOURCES.
01:23:12EVERY KID SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO THOSE SAME RESOURCES.
01:23:15IF A PARENT DECIDES THAT A PUBLIC SCHOOL IS NOT WORKING FOR
01:23:18THEIR CHILD BECAUSE THEIR CHILD WORKS DIFFERENTLY, THEY SHOULD
01:23:21HAVE THE MONEY TO MOVE THAT KID
01:23:23OUT TO BETTER PREPARE THAT KID FOR LIFE.
01:23:27MANY PARENTS DEPEND ON THEIR CHILDREN AT SOME POINT TO TAKE
01:23:30CARE OF THEM IN OLD AGE, THIS IS AN INVESTMENT.
01:23:33SO EDUCATION HAS TO BE A PRIORITY. BUT THE PRIORITY IS WHAT GIVES
01:23:36YOU THE BEST RESULTS.
01:23:39WE SHOULD JUDGE RESULTS NOT THE
01:23:41PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS,
01:23:43CHARTER SCHOOLS BUT WHAT GIVES RESULTS. BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO A
01:23:47CHILD, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEIR CHILD COMING OUT SPEAKING
01:23:51BROKEN ENGLISH, THE INABILITY TO UNDERSTAND MATH.
01:23:54THERE ARE JOBS OUT THERE, BUT
01:23:56THEY'RE IN SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
01:23:59ENGINEERING AND S-T-E-M.
01:24:03A LOT OF KIDS AREN'T PREPARED. P YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THEM EARLY
01:24:07ON. AND THEN THERE'S THE ISSUE OF
01:24:11ABSENTEEISM. A LOT OF KIDS AREN'T SHOWING UP,
01:24:14YOU KNOW WHAT IT HAPPENS WHEN IT GETS TO 10 DAYS, THEY DON'T HAVE
01:24:17THE ABILITY TO CATCH UP WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CLASSROOM. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CATCH UP,
01:24:21THEY BECOME A DISTRACTION.
01:24:23PARENTS -- ONE THING ABOUT MY
01:24:26PARENTS, WE HAD TO READ TO OUR
01:24:29PARENTS BUT MY PARENTS READ TO US. MY PARENTS WERE INVOLVED WITH THE TEACHER.
01:24:33IF WE WERE NOT BEHAVING, TO THE
01:24:36LEVEL THAT TEACHER EXPECTED, THERE WERE CONSEQUENCES.
01:24:38THERE ARE NOT CONSEQUENCES NOW. WE REWARD PEOPLE NOW WHO DON'T
01:24:42LEARN, PASS THEM ALONG. BUT YOU'RE CRIPPLING THEM FOR
01:24:46THE LONG RUN. WE MUST MAKE IT LIKE TRUMP SAID,
01:24:50SCHOOL CHOICE IS ONE OPTION. THE MOST IMPORTANT OPTION IS PARENTS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED
01:24:54WITH TEACHERS IN THE CLASSROOM IN THAT EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE.
01:24:57THAT'S THE BEST RESULT FOR THE CHILD.
01:24:59HOST: WE'LL GO TO FLORIDA, PAUL
01:25:02IS WATCHING THERE ON OUR LINE
01:25:05FOR REPUBLICANS. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING,
01:25:08THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. MY QUESTION IS A FEW MINUTES AGO
01:25:12YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ELECTION AND ELECTION FRAUD AND YOU SAY
01:25:15THAT YOU FEEL IT'S PRETTY RARE. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK
01:25:18THAT OTHER COUNTRIES SUCH AS
01:25:21MAYBE CHINA AND IRAN CAN HACK INTO OUR ELECTION SYSTEM AND
01:25:24CHANGE VOTES? I KNOW UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
01:25:27HAD A PROFESSOR THAT -- IN FRONT
01:25:31OF THE COURT CHANGED VOTES ON
01:25:33OUR ELECTION EQUIPMENT WITH THE USE OF A PEN.
01:25:37I KNOW THAT THE ELECTION MACHINES ARE HOOKED UP TO THE
01:25:39INTERNET BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO
01:25:41YOUR POLL, NO MATTER IF IT'S AT
01:25:44A MUNICIPALITY OR AT A SCHOOL OR
01:25:47CHURCH, IF YOU SEARCH FOR INTERNET CONNECTIONS YOU'LL FIND
01:25:51THAT THE COUNTY ELECTIONS NETWORK IS AT THAT CHURCH OR
01:25:55SCHOOL. SO OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE HOOKED UP
01:25:58TO THE INTERNET SO DO YOU THINK
01:26:03THAT OTHER COUNTRIES ARE CHANGING THIS? EVERY ILLEGAL THAT DOES VOTE OR
01:26:06ANY PERSON THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPER RIGHT TO VOTE THAT VOTES
01:26:10TAKE AWAY OUR VOTE AND I KNOW LIKE IN NEW JERSEY THEY SAID
01:26:14THAT THERE WAS 6600 PEOPLE THAT
01:26:17WERE ILLEGALLY REGISTERED TO VOTE BUT THE GOVERNOR WASN'T
01:26:21GOING TO TURN THAT OVER TO DOJ.
01:26:23WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS?
01:26:26GUEST: I DON'T THINK YOU AND I ARE TOO FAR APART.
01:26:29BECAUSE I SAID TO GRETA EARLIER,
01:26:31ONE PERSON BEING ILLEGAL, BEING DEAD IS ONE TOO MANY.
01:26:35AND I DO -- I DID READ A STORY
01:26:38ABOUT HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO
01:26:42INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTIONS.
01:26:44MY ONLY POINT IS, THESE THINGS
01:26:47HAPPEN BUT NOT TO THE LEVEL WHERE IT REALLY HAS AN IMPACT ON
01:26:50THE OUTCOME -- I WAS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT A NATIONAL ELECTION.
01:26:54BUT IF YOU'RE IN AN AREA, A
01:26:57JURISDICTION, WHERE SOMETIMES ONE VOTE DECIDES THE ELECTION.
01:27:0020 VOTES DECIDE THE ELECTION, THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT.
01:27:04THIS IS WHY I'M SAYING WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH
01:27:08ELECTION INTEGRITY, PUTTING
01:27:10SYSTEMS IN PLACE, ID, WITH THE
01:27:13BALLOTS TO MAKE SURE EVERY VOTE
01:27:15IS CREDIBLE, COUNTS, AND WE WEED
01:27:18OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN KNOWING
01:27:20WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO IT
01:27:24100%.
01:27:24HOST: JAN IN GEORGIA FOR
01:27:28DEMOCRATS. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIAMS. WHEN YOU OPENED UP, STARTED
01:27:32LISTENING TO THIS, I WAS IMPRESSED.
01:27:34I AM A DEMOCRAT, BUT I DO LIKE
01:27:37TO LISTEN TO A BROADER OPINION
01:27:41AND I HAVE A FRIEND THAT HAS ALWAYS SAID WHAT HAS DONALD
01:27:45TRUMP DONE FOR YOU.
01:27:47AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I'D REALLY LIKE TO FIND OUT.
01:27:51I'M NOT CYNICAL. I'M CURIOUS.
01:27:53I LIKE HOW YOU OPENED --
01:27:55MENTIONED THAT D.C. IS NOW A LOT
01:27:59SAFER AND CLEANER.
01:28:00BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING, AT
01:28:03WHAT COST DID D.C. BECOME A LOT
01:28:05SAFER AND A LOT CLEANER? YOU SAID THERE'S NO MORE
01:28:09HOMELESS THERE BUT WHERE DID THEY GO.
01:28:13HOST: JAN IS IN GEORGIA, SO WHAT HAS THE PRESIDENT DONE FOR
01:28:17HER IN GEORGIA? GUEST: LISTEN, THEY'RE --
01:28:21LISTEN, I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF
01:28:23YEARS AGO MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE WAS
01:28:26THE CRIME CAPITAL OF AMERICA, NOT JUST CHICAGO.
01:28:30THE PRESIDENT SENT IN THE NATIONAL GUARD.
01:28:32ANYBODY WILL TELL YOU CLEAN UP
01:28:35THAT CITY. LISTEN, THE PRESIDENT HAS
01:28:39REINFORCED THE VALUE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
01:28:43SAY ABOUT I.C.E. BUT THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY
01:28:46DAY TO PROTECT -- SOMETIMES THEY GET THINGS WRONG.
01:28:49SOMETIMES THEY CAN GO OVERBOARD, SOMETIMES INNOCENT PEOPLE DIE.
01:28:53BUT I THINK TOM HOMAN GOING BACK
01:28:55IN THAT POSITION HAS RESTORED
01:29:01AND INTEGRITY TO THE I.C.E. AGENTS. I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE
01:29:05US STRONGER ON THE FOREIGN FRONT.
01:29:07I THINK HE -- WHILE THEY MAY NOT
01:29:09ALWAYS UNDERSTAND HIM, HE'S FEARED.
01:29:13I THINK HE'S GOTTEN THE UNITED
01:29:16NATIONS AND THE OTHER PLACES
01:29:19WHERE THEY TAKE AMERICAN DOLLARS TO REALLY SPEND OUR MONEY WISELY.
01:29:22I LIKE WHAT HE'S DONE WITH ISRAEL. I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT
01:29:26ISRAEL. I MEAN, ISRAEL IS OUR ONLY
01:29:28DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
01:29:31AND NOW YOU FIND OTHER STATES
01:29:32LIKE SAUDI ARABIA, LIKE THE UAE
01:29:38WHO FIND MORE COMFORT IN SIGNING THE ABRAHA ACCORDS.
01:29:42I THINK THE PRESIDENT'S RHETORIC
01:29:45IS SURELY AN ISSUE AND HIS LACK
01:29:47OF HUMILITY. I ALSO THINK THE PRESIDENT IS
01:29:50TRYING TO, AT HIS BEST, MAKE
01:29:53GOVERNMENT WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. I THINK HE LOVES THIS COUNTRY.
01:29:57LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW ANY -- ANY PERSON WHO HAS HAD MORE
01:30:01ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS ON THEIR
01:30:05LIVES, NOBODY.
01:30:06HE'S WILL WILLING TO GO OUT AND
01:30:10ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE, HEAR THEIR RALLYING CRIES.
01:30:13I LIKE WHAT HE'S DONE WITH AMERICA 250, HOW WE CELEBRATE.
01:30:16I LIKE THE FACT THAT NASCAR WAS HERE. AND PEOPLE LOVE IT.
01:30:20I LIKE THE FACT HE'S RESTORED WASHINGTON TO ONE OF THE MOST
01:30:23BEAUTIFUL AND SAFEST PLACES IN IN THE WORLD AS IT SHOULD BE.
01:30:25AND I LIKE THE FACT HE'S WILLING
01:30:28TO WORK WITH ZOHAN MOMDANI AS
01:30:34MUCH AS WE HATE HIS POLICIES,
01:30:37THE PRESIDENT HAS USED A DIFFERENT APPROACH, THEY COMMUNICATE, MEET TOGETHER.
01:30:41SO THE PRESIDENT HAS SHOWN HIS WILLINGNESS TO SURPRISE US WHERE
01:30:45WE LEAST EXPECT. HE WILL ALWAYS BE -- I DO
01:30:49BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
01:30:50DONE A LOT OF GOOD AND WE SHOULD
01:30:54CELEBRATE THE GOOD BUT ALSO
01:30:55CRITICIZE HIM AND HOLD HIM
01:30:58ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT BE A SYCOPHANT WHENEVER HE NEEDS TO
01:31:02BE ACCOUNTABLE. HOST: WE'LL HEAR FROM JAMES
01:31:06NEXT IN ROME, GEORGIA.
01:31:09CALLER: THIS IS THE BIGGEST GOVERNMENT, YOU REPUBLICAN YOU
01:31:12TALK ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT THIS IS THE BIGGEST SURVEILLANCE
01:31:15GOVERNMENT, ILLEGAL GOVERNMENT WE EVER HAD. ANOTHER THING FOR YOU.
01:31:19YOU BETTER STAY OUT OF SPRINGFIELD, YOU KNOW, THEY
01:31:22MIGHT PICK YOU UP. YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET CAUGHT
01:31:26UP IN IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WHY
01:31:28DON'T YOU SPEAK UP, MAN, FOR
01:31:30BLACK PEOPLE HISTORY THE HISTORY
01:31:32THAT'S BEEN TOOK IN THESE LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS.
01:31:36THAT'S AMERICAN HISTORY NOT BLACK HISTORY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS
01:31:40THIS, THIS GOVERNMENT, TRUMP IS NOT A -- TRUMP IS NOT A BULLY.
01:31:43HE'S A COWARD. ALL THE PEOPLE HE CONFRONT.
01:31:46HE WON'T SAY NOTHING TO PUTIN,
01:31:48HE WON'T SAY NOTHING TO KIM
01:31:51JONG-UN, NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.
01:31:58NETANYAHU. WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
01:32:01HOLOCAUST, THE BLACK PEOPLE, BUT
01:32:04DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING TRUMP IS DOING.
01:32:06HOST: LET ME GET A RESPONSE.
01:32:11CALLER: . GUEST: LET ME BE CLEAR ON THIS.
01:32:15IN SOUTH AFRICA, MENTIONING
01:32:17THEY'RE COMMITTING GENOCIDE
01:32:20AGAINST WIDE FARMERS, THERE'S NO
01:32:23TRUTH TO IT. IN OHIO SAYING THE ASIANS ARE
01:32:26EATING ANIMALS WE INVESTIGATING IT, IT'S NOT TRUE.
01:32:30IT IS TRUE THE PRESIDENT, EVEN
01:32:32THOUGH HE'S PLACING THESE
01:32:35ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON IRAN,
01:32:36CHINA HAS REFUSED TO EVEN GIVE
01:32:42THE IMPRESSION THEY WOULD COMPLY BECAUSE CHINA IS A SUPER POWER
01:32:46SO HE HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
01:32:47THE PRESIDENT DID SAY DURING HIS
01:32:51INAUGURATION AT THE U.S. CAPITOL
01:32:53ON HIS FIRST DAY, WITHIN THE
01:32:55FIRST FEW WEEKS OF HIS TERM, THE
01:32:58WAR WOULD END BETWEEN IRAN AND
01:33:00RUSSIA, THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
01:33:02HOST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA. GUEST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
01:33:06DID I SAY IRAN? HOST: YEAH. GUEST: UKRAINE AND RUSSIA.
01:33:10YES, WE CRITICIZED HIM. I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
01:33:13LISTEN THE OTHER THING HE SAID THAT'S ALSO TRUE.
01:33:16YOU TALK ABOUT THE 40 TRILLION
01:33:17DOLLAR PLUS DEFICIT.
01:33:20IT'S DOUBLED ON BIDEN AND
01:33:24TRUMP'S DIME. TRUMP IS SPENDING LIKE A DRUNKEN SAILOR, THAT'S TRUE.
01:33:28I CAN RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE WE SHOULD NOT
01:33:31TRY TO JUDGE EVERYTHING THROUGH THE PRISM OF RACE.
01:33:35THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO AMERICA
01:33:36THAN THE PRISM OF RACE.
01:33:40HOST: KEN IN TAMPA, FLORIDA, AN INDEPENDENT.
01:33:43QUESTION OR COMMENT? CALLER: YES.
01:33:47IT IS HARD FOR ME TO WATCH --
01:33:50I'M A BLACK MAN 65 YEARS OLD,
01:33:54SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND EVERYTHING.
01:33:57IT'S HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND,
01:33:58BLACK MEN OR SUPPOSEDLY BLACK
01:34:01MEN LIKE YOU BUT AT THE END OF
01:34:03THE DAU, NONE OF YOU ALL EVER
01:34:06PUT OUT WHY SO MANY --
01:34:09HOST: KEN, HOLD ON HERE. YOU'RE BREAKING UP.
01:34:12SO WE WANT TO GET YOUR QUESTION. GO AHEAD.
01:34:15CALLER: MY QUESTION IS, WHY NO
01:34:17ONE NEVER EXPLAIN WHY SO MANY
01:34:20BLACK PEOPLE HAVE UNDER THE TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK IN THE
01:34:24DAY WHEN THE REPUBLICAN PATIENT REALLY SUPPORTED BLACK PEOPLE
01:34:27BUT THEY TURN AWAY FROM THE
01:34:29REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE THEY
01:34:32INTRODUCED THE JESSE HAMS AND
01:34:38THURMAN.
01:34:38THAT'S WHY SO MANY MOVED TO THE
01:34:42DEMOCRAT PARTY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT TO SAY. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND,
01:34:46MR. WILLIAMS, WHEN DONALD TRUMP,
01:34:49BECAUSE YOU DEFEND HIM SO MUCH
01:34:51WHEN DONALD TRUMP PUT THE
01:34:54PICTURE OF BLACK PEOPLE AS APES
01:34:57DO YOU THINK THAT EXEMPT YOU OR ANY BLACK PEOPLE?
01:35:00WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT ON THAT?
01:35:03HOST: ALL RIGHT, KEN.
01:35:07GUEST: AGAIN I WAS THE HARSHEST
01:35:12CRITICS AND HIS DEPICTION OF THE OBAMAS. BUT HE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE
01:35:16HE DON'T FOLLOW EVERYTHING I WRITE AND REPORT ON.
01:35:18AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE GET THE IMPRESSION THAT I'M
01:35:22SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP. AS A BROADCASTER I'M DEALING WITH THE FACTS ABOUT HIS RECORD.
01:35:27I CAN STILL DEAL WITH HIS RECORD
01:35:31AND THE THINGS HE DOES RIGHT AND
01:35:34STILL HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR
01:35:36THE THINGS HE GETS WRONG AT THE SAME TIME.
01:35:40I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE FOR DONALD TRUMP, THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.
01:35:43I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FACTS AND TRUTH. THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT.
01:35:47THAT'S WHY THEY LOST TRUST IN
01:35:50THE FOURTH STATE BECAUSE THEY THEY WE'RE CHEERLEADERS FOR THE
01:35:54PARTIES WE SUPPORT. I DON'T SUPPORT EITHER. OUR JOB IS TO REPORT THE FACTS
01:35:58AND THE TRUTH. MY VOTE IS PRIVATE.
01:36:00IF YOU THINK BECAUSE I'M BEING FAIR TO DONALD TRUMP, BECAUSE
01:36:03THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN
01:36:07SURMISE I SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN
01:36:11PEOPLE WANT, THEY WANT YOU TO BE FAIR. NO WAY YOU'LL BRING BACK THE
01:36:15TRUST IN OUR MEDIA INSTITUTION. HOST: ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS IS OUR
01:36:19GUEST THIS MORNING.
01:36:21CAN YOU WATCH THE ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS TELEVISION SHOW ON
01:36:24SINCLAIR, IS THAT RIGHT?
01:36:26WHERE CAN PEOPLE TUNE IN?
01:36:30GUEST: ABC HERE, ALL THE
01:36:34SINCLAIR STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND READ MY COLUMN EVERY SUNDAY
01:36:38AND WEDNESDAY IN "THE BALTIMORE
01:36:42SUN". HOST: ALL RIGHT. OWNER OF "THE BALTIMORE SUN" AS
01:36:45WELL. JERRY IN NEW JERSEY, DEMOCRATIC
01:36:50CALLER. CALLER: I'VE SEEN YOU ON SHOWS
01:36:52BEFORE, MR. WILLIAMS, AND I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR YOU AND
01:36:56YOUR -- THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOURSELF.
01:36:59YOU ARE VERY FAIR, I SEE THAT.
01:37:03AND I THINK YOU'RE VERY COMMON SENSE.
01:37:06WHEN I LISTEN TO YOU, IT'S COMMON SENSE.
01:37:09AND I JUST AGREE 100% WITH A LOT
01:37:11OF WHAT YOU SAY.
01:37:14MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, I CAN'T
01:37:19WATCH NEWS MEDIA OR NEWS ANYMORE.
01:37:22I INCLUDE C-SPAN ON THIS,
01:37:25BECAUSE THE -- THE LIES THAT ARE SPEWED.
01:37:29I MEAN, SPEWED.
01:37:31AND THEN THE OMISSIONS THAT ARE,
01:37:37YOU KNOW -- THE NEWS MEDIA DOESN'T WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
01:37:40GOOD THINGS THAT TRUMP DOES. IT'S A CONSISTENT NARRATIVE OF
01:37:44NEGATIVE. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE.
01:37:48I WATCHED C-SPAN YESTERDAY AND A CALLER CALLED IN, A DEMOCRAT
01:37:52CALLER, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRADE WAR WITH CANADA AND
01:37:56AMERICA.
01:37:56AND I HEARD HER SAY, GO CANADA.
01:38:02NOW, THIS JUST -- IT JUST
01:38:08INFURIATES ME BECAUSE WE ARE
01:38:09AMERICANS HERE AND WE'RE ROOTING
01:38:13FOR OTHER PLACES.
01:38:15GUEST: I DIDN'T WATCH C-SPAN YESTERDAY BUT THAT CALLER
01:38:19EXPRESSED THEIR OPINION. IT'S JUST THEIR OPINION.
01:38:22I DON'T HAVE TO AGREE WITH THEIR OPINION. HOST: PEOPLE DON'T -- SOME
01:38:26PEOPLE DON'T LIKE LISTENING TO OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.
01:38:29CALLER: GUEST: I DO. I CAN IMAGINE THERE ARE PEOPLE
01:38:32ROOTING AGAINST THE UNITED STATES AND ROOT FOR IRAN WHICH I
01:38:35THINK IS CRAZY BUT THAT'S WHAT FREEDOM IS ABOUT.
01:38:38THAT'S WHAT SEPARATES AMERICA FROM ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE
01:38:42WORLD. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T SHOUT FIRE IN THE THEATRE YOU CAN SAY
01:38:45ANYTHING YOU WANT. HOST: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO
01:38:48LISTEN TO OTHER PEOPLE'S OPINIONS.
01:38:51GUEST: IF EVERYONE AGREES
01:38:53YOU'RE NOT GROWING.
01:38:56IRON SHARPENS IRON. I NEED TO BE CHALLENGED, MAKE ME
01:39:00BETTER BECAUSE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR ME AS A
01:39:03BROADCASTER AND NEWSPAPER OWNER
01:39:04THAT I OWN WITH MY BUSINESS
01:39:08PARTNER, DAVID SMITH, I CAN BE WRONG.
01:39:11YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE CAN BE WRONG. EVEN PEOPLE THAT WE THINK CAN
01:39:15NEVER TEACH US ANYTHING ARE PEOPLE THAT REALLY ELEVATE OUR
01:39:18THINKING. MAKE US REALIZE I CAN BE BETTER
01:39:21ABOUT THIS, AND REMIND OF THINGS THAT WE GROW.
01:39:25I'M HERE TO GROW.
01:39:26I DON'T WANT TO STUNT MY GROWTH.
01:39:30EVERYBODY HAS VALUE IF YOU LISTEN TO IT.
01:39:32HOST: GO TO JOHN, IN GEORGIA,
01:39:36REPUBLICAN. CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR. WILLIAMS. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THINGS ARE
01:39:38NOT GOING TO CHANGE FOR OUR
01:39:41COUNTRY UNTIL THE POLITICIANS STOP THINKING THAT MONEY IS THE
01:39:44ANSWER TO ALL OF OUR PROBLEMS.
01:39:48I DON'T THINK POVERTY IS A PROBLEM. I THINK IT'S A SYMPTOM OF A
01:39:52PROBLEM. SAME THING WITH EDUCATION. CHILDREN NOT BEING ABLE TO LEARN
01:39:55IS NOT THE PROBLEM. IT'S A SYMPTOM OF THE PROBLEM.
01:39:59YOU SAID EARLIER TODAY THAT YOU READ TO YOUR CHILDREN.
01:40:02I READ TO MY CHILDREN, TOO.
01:40:04IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE PROBLEMS
01:40:06WE HAVE ARE A RESULT OF THE HOUSEHOLD.
01:40:10LOOK AT THE FIRST THING ON CSPAN
01:40:13TODAY ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA. ULTIMATELY NO MATTER WHAT SOCIAL
01:40:17MEDIA DOES, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE
01:40:20OBLIGATION OF THE PARENT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THEIR CHILDREN TO
01:40:25STOP THE THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING PROBLEMS.
01:40:28IN YOUR OPINION, HOW DO WE GET
01:40:32BACK TO -- TO RESOLVING PROBLEMS
01:40:36THROUGH THE FAMILY? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN DO
01:40:40TO SOLVE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.
01:40:44HOST: THANKS, JOHN.
01:40:46GUEST: LISTEN, HE MAKES SOME EXCELLENT INSIGHTS.
01:40:49ONE THING WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT
01:40:51HERE IS THAT ONE OF THE MOST
01:40:55IMPORTANT THINGS THAT MY PARENTS
01:40:57TAUGHT US WAS FAITH IN GOD.
01:41:01THERE'S SOMETHING GREATER THAN YOURSELF.
01:41:03THERE'S A SPIRITUAL ILLNESS IN THIS COUNTRY.
01:41:07YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ASK ME, WHY DO YOU READ THE BIBLE OVER AND OVER
01:41:10AGAIN, WHY DO YOU READ THESE CLASSIC BOOKS OVER AND OVER, THE
01:41:14PAGES ARE THE SAME, THE WORDS ARE THE SAME. I SAY TO THEM, I CHANGE.
01:41:18I'M NOT THE SAME PERSON. WHEN I READ THEM, I ALWAYS FIND
01:41:22SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND MORE
01:41:26MEANINGFUL THAN BEFORE.
01:41:27WE HAVE GREED CANNOT FULFILL WHAT WE NEED IN LIFE.
01:41:32THE KIDS PLUG IN ON THESE THINGS
01:41:35LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA, CRIME, DRUGS, THEY PLUG INTO THESE PARTIES BUT
01:41:39THEY'RE EMPTY. MY PARENTS POURED SOMETHING IN
01:41:42US THAT MAN CANNOT TAKE AWAY.
01:41:44AND IT'S A BELIEF THAT MORE THAN
01:41:48JUST INERTIA THAT YOU RAISE A
01:41:50CHILD IN A WAY THAT THEY CAME UP OLDER.
01:41:54BUT I ALWAYS COME BACK TO MY PARENTS' VALUES, FAITH,
01:41:58DISCIPLINE, SACRIFICE, HONESTY AND THEY 'WILLING TO GROW AND
01:42:02LEARN AND WILLING TO FORGIVE. WILLING TO FORGIVE.
01:42:05AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO
01:42:08GIVE YOU ANYTHING IN LIFE. THE GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE EVERYTHING TO PEOPLE.
01:42:12YOU CANNOT LIMIT PEOPLE AND THEIR PARENTS AND THEIR ROLES
01:42:15AND DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT THEIR CHILD WANT TO CHANGE THEIR
01:42:18NAME TO A PRONOUN OR NOUN IN SCHOOL AND YOU DON'T GET THE
01:42:22PARENT INVOLVED IN IT. THE PARENT IS GOING TO HAVE THE
01:42:25GREATEST BURDEN NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT CHILD.
01:42:27THE PARENTS MUST BE INVOLVED IN THAT DECISION.
01:42:31THE GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN SO MUCH OF THE PARENTAL RIGHTS AWAY.
01:42:33AND THAT'S DANGEROUS. IN A PLACE LIKE NEW YORK CITY IF
01:42:37YOU DISCIPLINE YOUR CHILD, IF
01:42:38YOU YELL AT YOUR CHILD, YOU CAN
01:42:41FIND YOURSELF BEING PUNISHED.
01:42:44BUT THE BIBLE DOES TELL US IN
01:42:46THE LAST DAYS WHAT IS RIGHT WILL
01:42:48BECOME WRONG AND WHAT IS WRONG CAN BE RIGHT.
01:42:51I DON'T GET AWAY FROM MY FAITH AND VALUES AND THE HARDEST WORK
01:42:54I DO EVERY DAY, 24 HOURS IS WORK ON ME. THAT'S WHY I LISTEN TO OTHER
01:42:58PEOPLE, THAT'S WHY I PRAY, AND I STILL GET IT WRONG.
01:43:01BUT STILL, YEAH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I'M A BETTER ARMSTRONG
01:43:05WILLIAMS 24 HOURS LATER THAN I WAS 24 HOURS AGO.
01:43:08EVERYBODY WANTS TO WORK ON EVERYBODY ELSE AND REFUSE TO
01:43:11WORK ON THEMSELVES.
01:43:14HOST: DOWN TO ATLANTA, TERRY, INDEPENDENT.
01:43:18WELCOME.
01:43:18GUEST: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING.
01:43:23CALLER: THANK YOU, GOOD MORNING. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT VOTING RIGHTS.
01:43:27MR. WILLIAMS STATED HE DID NOT SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE VOTING RIGHT NOW.
01:43:30AND THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS BECAUSE I AM A SENIOR AND I LIVE
01:43:33IN A SENIOR INDEPENDENT LIVING CENTER, THERE ARE A LOT OF
01:43:37PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY VOTE AND
01:43:41THEY REALLY DO NEED TO NEED TO
01:43:50USE THE ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING
01:43:53AND THERE IS A MOVE TO ELIMINATE
01:43:57ABSENTEE BALLOT VOTING. AND I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT
01:43:59SENIOR HEALTH CARE, THE RISING COSTS OF THAT AND THE FACT THAT
01:44:03SENIORS WHO REALLY NEED TO HAVE
01:44:05SOMEONE ASSIST THEM ARE FACING A
01:44:09CRISIS BECAUSE THOSE GROUPS OF
01:44:12IMMIGRANTS WHO PRIMARILY PERFORM
01:44:14THOSE JOBS RIGHT NOW, MANY OF
01:44:18THEM UNDER PROTECTED STATUS ARE
01:44:20GOING TO BE SENT BACK TO THEIR COUNTRIES BECAUSE PROTECTED
01:44:24STATUS IS GOING TO BE TAKEN AWAY
01:44:27SO WE WON'T HAVE ANYONE TO TAKE CARE OF GRANDMA. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM SENIORS
01:44:31HAVE AND JUST THE RISING COST OF LIVING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR
01:44:35OPINIONS ON THAT. AND ALSO, DO YOU PLAN TO ATTEND
01:44:39THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON?
01:44:41THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
01:44:44GUEST: UNFORTUNATELY I WON'T
01:44:50ATTEND THE MARCH ON WASHINGTON BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL COVER IT.
01:44:53I AGREE WITH HER WHEN IT COMES
01:44:56TO BALLOTS. NOT ONLY SENIORS BUT VETERANS
01:45:00MANY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEMOCRACY OF OURS.
01:45:03I DO KNOW THIS IS BEING DISCUSSED AS THEY MAKE THESE
01:45:07CHANGES TO THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT RELATE TO VOTING.
01:45:10BUT WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT
01:45:13OUR SENIORS AND VETERANS ARE
01:45:16MORE VULNERABLE AND WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE IT
01:45:19CONVENIENT FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THEIR TRADITION OF VOTING.
01:45:22HOST: WE'LL GO TO WILLIAM IN
01:45:26TRIANGLE, VIRGINIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
01:45:29HOW ARE YOU DOING?
01:45:30CALLER: YES, I'D LIKE TO ASK
01:45:33ARMSTRONG, HE SAY TRUMP IS NOT
01:45:37DISCRIMINATING AGAINST BLACKS I'DING LIKE TO RESPOND TO YOUR
01:45:41ANSWER. CAN I PLEASE STAY ON YOUR PHONE AND RESPOND.
01:45:45WHY IS HE NOT PROMOTING BLACK
01:45:49GENERALS, FEMALE GENERALS IN THE MILITARY?
01:45:52GUEST: THAT'S NOT TRUE.
01:45:55I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE, JEN
01:45:58ADAMS, WHO INTRODUCED ME TO THE GENERALS WHO HAPPEN TO BE FEMALE.
01:46:02I KNOW PEOPLE BUY INTO THIS NARRATIVE.
01:46:04THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE WHO CAN CALL TRUMP A RACIST WHO ARE NOT
01:46:08BLACK THE WAY HE TURNS ON THEM,
01:46:10TREATS THEM, ACROSS THE BOARD. TRUMP TREATS EVERYBODY THE SAME.
01:46:14HE'S AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
01:46:17OFFENDER, HE DOESN'T SINGLE OUT RACE.
01:46:19I'VE BEEN AROUND TRUMP, I'VE KNOWN TRUMP, I'VE SEEN TRUMP
01:46:23CLOSE UP WITH DR. CARSON, HE'S
01:46:26ONE OF THE MOST DOWN-TO-EARTH
01:46:29AND NICEST PEOPLE YOU WANT TO MEET.
01:46:32I'LL NEVER FORGET WHEN MICHAEL JACKSON NEEDED A PLACE, TRUMP
01:46:36LET HIM STAY AT TRUMP TOWER AT NO COST AT ALL.
01:46:40TRUMP IS REALLY A GOOD GUY, JUST SOMETHING HAPPENS HE'S A LITTLE
01:46:44DIFFERENT NOW THAT HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WOULD NEVER BUY INTO THE FACT
01:46:48THAT TRUMP IS A RACIST.
01:46:50AS I SAID, TRUMP OFFENDS EVERYBODY AND FIRES PEOPLE IN A
01:46:54BRUTAL WAY. AND THAT'S JUST WHO HE IS.
01:46:57CAN HE CHANGE? CAN HE GET BETTER?
01:47:00WILL HE EVOLVING WITH THAT'S WHAT WE PRAY FOR?
01:47:04HOST: WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT
01:47:06THERE, ARMSTRONG WILLIAMS, THANK
01:47:09YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING. GUEST: RIVETING, THANK YOU.
01:47:13HOST: COMING UP LATER ON THE
01:47:14PROGRAM, AUTHOR AND HISTORIAN
01:47:19LINDSEY CHERVINESKY LOOKS AT THE
01:47:25BAT WL OF BROOKLYN AND HOW IT
01:47:27SHAPED THE REVOLUTION.
01:47:30BUT FIRST MAUREEN KLOVERS AND
01:47:34APRIL HARDING WILL SHARE A REPORT LOOKING AT THE FIRING OF
01:47:38FEDERAL EMPLOYEES UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. STAY WITH US.
01:47:42WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
01:47:45♪♪
01:47:49>> YOU'RE WATCHING C-SPAN,
01:47:52DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
01:47:54C-SPAN BRINGS YOU DEMOCRACY
01:47:57UNFILTERED IN REAL TIME. DEMOCRACY DOESN'T TAKE SIDES
01:48:01NEITHER DOES C-SPAN IN A WORLD
01:48:03FULL OF OPINIONS, C-SPAN GIVES
01:48:06YOU DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS THAT SHAPE OUR
01:48:10NATION, UNFILTERED COVERAGE OF
01:48:12CONGRESS AS LAWS ARE DEBATED AND
01:48:15DECIDED, PRESIDENTIAL SPEECHES, BRIEFINGS AND HISTORIC MOMENTS
01:48:18AS THEY HAPPEN. NO COMMENTARY, NO SPIN, NO
01:48:22AGENDA. JUST THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS,
01:48:25PRESENTED IN FULL WITHOUT INTERRUPTION.
01:48:28SO YOU CAN WATCH THE DEBATES,
01:48:30HEAR EVERY WORD AND MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND.
01:48:34>> C-SPAN'S RESPECTED NONPROFIT
01:48:38SERVICE HAS OFFERED AMERICANS
01:48:41UNFILTERED GAVEL-TO-GAVEL COVERAGE IN ACTION.
01:48:45>> C-SPAN BRINGING YOU DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
01:48:47BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE CABLE, SATELLITE AND STREAMING
01:48:50COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE C-SPAN AS
01:48:52A PUBLIC SERVICE.
01:48:55>> DISCOVER AMERICA'S STORY WITH AMERICAN HISTORY TIMELINE
01:48:59POSTER. THIS LARGE 4½ FOOT WIDE POSTER
01:49:03EXPLORES THE LIVES AND PUBLIC SERVICE CAREERS OF EVERY
01:49:06PRESIDENT ALONG WITH KEY HISTORICAL EVENTS, SUPREME COURT
01:49:10CASES, CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS
01:49:13AND MAJOR TECHNOLOGY MILESTONES
01:49:15THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY.
01:49:18IT ALSO FEATURES THE AMERICA 250 SECTION HIGHLIGHTING THE
01:49:21FOUNDING AND THE ANNIVERSARY OF
01:49:24THE UNITED STATES. BRING AMERICAN HISTORY HOME WITH
01:49:27C-SPAN'S AMERICAN HISTORY TIMELINE POSTER.
01:49:31SCAN THE CODE OR VISIT
01:49:36C-SPANSHOP.ORG. >> WATCH AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB,
01:49:41THE BOLD ORIGINAL SERIES SUNDAY WITH OUR GUEST, AWARD WINNING
01:49:45GLOBAL NUMBER ONE BEST SELLING
01:49:48AUTHOR DAVID BALDACCI, HE'S SOLD
01:49:53200 MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE IN 45 LANGUAGES.
01:49:56HE JOINS OUR HOST, AUTHOR AND
01:50:00LEADER DAVID RUBENSTEIN.
01:50:03>> SO WHEN YOU ARE WRITING DO
01:50:04YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, DO YOU EVER
01:50:08DAYDREAM? LOSE YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT, THINKING ABOUT IT OR TUNNEL
01:50:11VISION ON WHAT YOU'RE WRITING. >> I DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
01:50:15I TUNNEL VISION AND LET MY IMAGINATION RUN.
01:50:17BECAUSE I FOUND THAT WHEN I TRY
01:50:19TO KEEP MY IMAGINATION IN CHECK, I MISS OPPORTUNITIES.
01:50:23AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS OPPORTUNITIES. PEOPLE ASK WHERE DO I GET MY
01:50:26IDEAS FROM? I GET UP EVERY DAY AND WALK ON IT THE DOOR AND SEE WHAT'S IN
01:50:31FRONT OF ME. I'M NOT LOOKING AT MY I PHONE
01:50:34I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE. I'VE GOTTEN IDEAS BY WALKING
01:50:38DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING TWO PEOPLE TALKING WONDERING WHAT
01:50:41ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT, MAYBE I CAN ANSWER THAT MYSELF.
01:50:44OR SEE A GUY WITH A BOX ON A
01:50:47BUS, WHAT'S IN THE BOX, WHERE'S THE GUY GOING?
01:50:51AND I HAVE A STORY IDEA FROM THAT. THE IDEAS ARE AROUND YOU ALL THE TIME.
01:50:55YOU'RE JUST NOT RECEPTIVE TO
01:50:59SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITIES.
01:51:00ONCE YOU DO, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE TOO MANY IDEAS, TOO MANY
01:51:04THINGS TO WRITE ABOUT.
01:51:07>> WATCH AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB SUNDAY AT 6:00 P.M. AND 9:00
01:51:11P.M. EASTERN AND PACIFIC.
01:51:13ONLY ON C-SPAN.
01:51:15♪♪
01:51:21>> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
01:51:26>> WE WANT TO WELCOME TO OUR
01:51:27TABLE THIS MORNING, MAUREEN
01:51:34KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING.
01:51:36LADIES, I WANT TO BEGIN WITH
01:51:39WHAT IS WE THE DOERS?
01:51:42>> WE'RE A FUND FOR CONGRESS.
01:51:44IT ALL STARTED OVER A CUP OF COFFEE WE DIDN'T KNOW EACH
01:51:48OTHER, WE PARTICIPATED IN THE
01:51:52DEPARTURE DIALOGUE PROJECT A
01:51:54CHANCE TO GIVE CONGRESS A CHANCE
01:51:56TO GIVE CONGRESS ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE GOVERNMENT MORE EFFECTIVE.
01:52:00WE MET OVER A CUP OF COFFEE BY
01:52:02THE END WE DECIDED WE WOULD START OUR OWN ORGANIZATION AND
01:52:06IT BUILT FROM THERE. THAT WAS NOVEMBER AND WE HAD OUR
01:52:10FIRST WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER AND PUBLISHED OUR FIRST REPORT IN
01:52:13JANUARY TO MARK ONE YEAR OF DOGE
01:52:15AND WE PUBLISHED A REPORT ON
01:52:19FAST, FAIR FEDERAL FIRING.
01:52:21HOST: WHY DID YOU THINK THIS WAS NECESSARY.
01:52:25GUEST: IN THE GOVERNMENT REFORM
01:52:27THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER, THE VOICE DELIVERING TO THE
01:52:31AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE DOERS AS WE
01:52:34WERE ISN'T NECESSARILY REPRESENTED.
01:52:36SO WE WANT TO BRING THAT GROUND
01:52:39TRUTH, THAT OPERATIONAL EXPERTISE HOW THINGS WORK TODAY,
01:52:41WHY THEY BREAK DOWN AND HOW WE KNOW IT CAN BE FIXED TO THE
01:52:45BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT TO DO NEXT.
01:52:47HOST: WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT?
01:52:50GUEST: I WAS DIRECTOR OF USER EXPERIENCES FOR THE DIGITAL TEAM
01:52:54AT THE IRS. MY RESPONSIBILITY WAS MAKE SURE
01:52:58EVERYTHING ON IRS.GOV WORKS
01:53:02BETTER FOR PEOPLE AND UNDERSTANDING WHY WE WERE DELIVERING THE DIGITAL
01:53:06EXPERIENCES WE WERE DELIVERING WHICH IS A BROADER PROBLEM OF
01:53:09THE BUREAUCRATIC MACHINE AND PROCESSES AND TOOLS AND
01:53:13CONSTRAINTS AND THAT WAS MY FOCUS TO THINK ABOUT THOSE
01:53:16THINGS AND HOW WE COULD USE THOSE SYSTEMS TO DELIVER BETTER
01:53:20EXPERIENCES. HOST: HOW LONG DID YOU WORK THERE. >> ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS BEFORE THAT I WAS BUILDING
01:53:24THINGS ON THE INTERNET IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
01:53:27A BIG PART OF WHAT I WAS BRINGING TO THE IRS IS
01:53:31UNDERSTANDING HOW TO BUILD PRODUCTS WELL USED AND LOVED BY PEOPLE AND THE CONTRAST BETWEEN
01:53:34THE WAY I DID THAT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND THE WAY I WAS
01:53:37ABLE TO DO THAT IN GOVERNMENT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT WHICH IS
01:53:40WHAT SENT ME DOWN THE PATH OF THINKING ABOUT WHY THINGS ARE
01:53:43DIFFERENT AND HOW WE CAN BRING THOSE BEST PRACTICES IN WITHOUT
01:53:47BREAKING THE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT GOVERNMENT DOES NEED TO
01:53:50CONTROL AND BE CAREFUL ABOUT.
01:53:51HOST: HOW DID YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.
01:53:55GUEST: I WAS PUSHED OUT BY THE DOGE PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY.
01:53:58I TOOK THE DEFERRED RESIGNATION
01:54:01ROUND TWO BUT IT WAS NOT A CHOICE IN THE SENSE THAT I
01:54:04DIDN'T BELIEVE I WOULD BE ABLE
01:54:06TO STAY IF I DIDN'T.
01:54:08HOST: WHAT ABOUT YOU. GUEST: I HAVE 14 YEARS INSIDE
01:54:12GOVERNMENT, WORKED AT FOUR DIFFERENT AGENCIES.
01:54:15IT'S EXCITING TO SEE HOW DIFFERENT THINGS ARE AGENCY TO AGENCY.
01:54:19I STARTED IN HAD INTELLIGENCE
01:54:20COMMUNITY, AND THEN WORKED AT
01:54:23COMMERCE AND TREASURY AND LASTLY DEPUTY CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER
01:54:27FOR USDA WORLD DEVELOPMENT WHICH
01:54:30HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS LATELY. YEAH.
01:54:33HOST: HOW DID YOU LOSE YOUR JOB. GUEST: IT WAS A TUESDAY AT
01:54:3711:00 A.M. AND I GOT AN EMAIL THAT SAID YOU HAVE BEEN REMOVED
01:54:40FROM YOUR POSITION.
01:54:42AND IT WAS A MASS EMAIL TO 5,000
01:54:48USDA EMPLOYEES THE ONLY REASON
01:54:50WE WERE IN PROBATIONARY YEAR.
01:54:53THEN I WAS REHIRED REINSTATED THREE WEEKS LATER BY A JUDICIAL
01:54:56ORDER AND I THINK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AFTER THAT, TOLD I WOULD
01:55:00BE MOVED TO AN UNDISCLOSED
01:55:03LOCATION, AND WE HAD TO DECIDE
01:55:05WHETHER TO TAKE THE DEFERRED
01:55:08RESIGNATION PROGRAM BEFORE MOVING.
01:55:12AT THE TIME MY MOTHER-IN-LAW HAD STAGE 4 STOMACH CANCER WE
01:55:16COULDN'T MOVE SO I TOOK THE PACKAGE.
01:55:20HOST: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
01:55:21REFORMING THE FIRING PROCESS,
01:55:25OUR TWO GUESTS STARTED A NEW GROUP AFTER THEY LOST THEIR
01:55:28FEDERAL JOBS WE THE DOERS THE TWO COFOUNDERERS HERE.
01:55:32IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN DIAL IN
01:55:38202-748-8001, DEMOCRATS 202-748-8000,
01:55:41AND INDEPENDENTS 202-748-8002, .
01:55:44IF YOU ARE A CURRENT OR FORMER FEDERAL WORKER, WE WANT TO HEAR
01:55:48YOUR STORY AS WELL.
01:55:49AT 202-748-8003.
01:55:53LADIES YOU WERE ONE OF TENS OF
01:55:56THOUSANDS OF CIVIL SERVANTS AT
01:55:58THE GOVERNMENT THAT WERE LET GO PART OF DOGE.
01:56:02OVERALL, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS
01:56:04LIKE FOR FIRING THESE FEDERAL WORKERS?
01:56:08>> THE PROCESS WHEN THE DOGE
01:56:11CHANGES HAPPENED WAS VERY DIFFERENT FROM THE FORMAL OFFICIAL PROCESS.
01:56:15MOSTLY BECAUSE THOSE WERE LARGE SCALE LAYOFFS AND FIRINGS.
01:56:20THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR REPORT IS WHAT IS
01:56:23TYPICAL IN THE CURRENT STATUTE
01:56:25AND REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, STILL BUT ALSO BEFORE DOGE FOR
01:56:29FIRING AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE FOR CAUSE.
01:56:31AND SO, THE PROCESS THAT WE WENT
01:56:34THROUGH WAS MORE ABOUT
01:56:37PROBATIONARY EMPLOYEES,
01:56:40REDUCTIONS IN FORCE AND ADMIN LEAVE WHICH IS NOT EXACTLY THE
01:56:43SAME AS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR REPORT.
01:56:46OUR FOCUS IS ON WHEN AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE NEEDS TO BE
01:56:49REMOVED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PERFORMING OR THEIR CONDUCT IS
01:56:53INAPPROPRIATE AND WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. IT RELATES IN A SENSE WHEN IT IS
01:56:57DIFFICULT AND TIME CONSUMING AND COSTLY AS IT IS TO DO THAT
01:57:01THROUGH THE EXISTING PROCESS, WORK AROUNDS ARE SOUGHT OUT AND
01:57:03WHAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN IN 2025,
01:57:06WAS A LARGE SCALE WORK AROUNDS BECAUSE UNTANGLING THE
01:57:10COMPLEXITY OF THE RIGHT WAY TO THINK ABOUT WHO BELONGS IN HAD
01:57:13WHAT JOB WAS TOO MUCH TO DO IN
01:57:15THE TIME FRAME THEY THOUGHT.
01:57:18>> EXACTLY. ELON MUSK AND THE DOGE TEAM SAID
01:57:22THE MASS FIRING OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES WERE AN EFFICIENT WAY
01:57:26TO CUT COSTS. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?
01:57:29GUEST: IT HASN'T CUT COSTS OUR DEFICIT AND DEBT HAVE BALLOONED.
01:57:33THERE'S GOOD REPORTING ABOUT HOW
01:57:35MANY OF THE POSITIONS NOW BEING ADVERTISED FOR ARE TO BACK FILL
01:57:39THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT. I MEAN, THE PROBLEM WITH THE WAY
01:57:42THAT DOGE DID IT, IT WASN'T EFFICIENT.
01:57:45FIRST OF ALL, THE WORKFORCE IS A
01:57:47TINY PERCENTAGE OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET.
01:57:51WHEN YOU REFIRE THEM YOU REPLACE
01:57:55THEM WITH HIGHER PRICED CONTRACTORS.
01:57:58DOGE FIRED PEOPLE SAFEGUARDING
01:58:03OUR NUCLEAR STOCK PILE AND THEN REHIRED THEM.
01:58:06THERE'S TALKS ABOUT HOW NEGATIVE
01:58:09THE USAID CUTS WERE FOR FARM IRS
01:58:14ACCESSING SERVERS.
01:58:15THE FOUNDERS PUT THE FIRST
01:58:19BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT AS THE POWER OF THE PURSE.
01:58:23WE THINK THEY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS IN A BIPARTISAN MANNER.
01:58:27THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THESE CHANGES ARE GOING TO STICK.
01:58:29OTHERWISE WE'LL KEEP WHIPLASHING
01:58:33BETWEEN ONE ADMINISTRATION THAT MAYBE HAS A DOGE LIKE APPROACH
01:58:36AND ANOTHER WHERE IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO REMOVE SOMEONE WHO
01:58:39TRULY SHOULD BE REMOVED. WE WANT TO KEEP THE FOCUS ON HOW
01:58:43DO YOU DESIGN A CIVIL SERVICE
01:58:45THAT BALANCES DUE PROCESS WITH SPEED. BEFORE THERE WAS TOO LITTLE
01:58:49SPEED AND NOW THERE'S NO DUE PROCESS.
01:58:51HOW DO YOU BRING THEM TOGETHER?
01:58:53HOST: IN YOUR NEW REPORT, THE
01:58:56TITLE IS "FAST BUT FAIR FEDERAL
01:58:59FIRING, BALANCING SPEED AND DUE PROCESS WHEN REMOVING EMPLOYEES
01:59:02FOR CAUSE". SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU AGREE THAT
01:59:05THE PROCESS BEFORE DOGE WAS WAY
01:59:12TOO SLOW. THE GOVERNMENT HAD A HARD TIME GETTING RID OF EMPLOYEES WHO
01:59:15SHOULD NOT BE IN THOSE POSITIONS. WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE?
01:59:18>> WE HAVE A GIANT SPAGHETTI DIAGRAM, WE'LL SHOW IT IN A
01:59:22MINUTE AND IT'S ON YOUTUBE.
01:59:24YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE WALKING THROUGH IT FOR 37 MINUTES IF YOU
01:59:28WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT IN DETAIL.
01:59:30WHAT WE DID IS WE BROUGHT
01:59:32TOGETHER TEN MANAGERS FROM TEN FEDERAL AGENCIES WITH A COMBINED
01:59:37181 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WHO HAD
01:59:38ACTUALLY TRIED TO REMOVE SOMEONE WITH SERIOUS CONDUCT OR
01:59:42PERFORMANCE ISSUES. BETWEEN THE TEN OF US, THERE
01:59:46WERE 22 SERIOUS CONDUCT AND PERFORMANCE ISSUES.
01:59:48AND THEN FOR 12 OF THOSE, THE
01:59:51MANAGERS WERE WILLING TO -- REALLY DETAILED RECONSTRUCTION
01:59:54WITH US AT THE TIME. FOR THE ONES ACTUALLY REMOVED IT
01:59:57TOOK 21 MONTHS PR THE TIME THEY IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM TO THE
02:00:01TIME THE PERSON WAS REMOVED.
02:00:02JUST THE MANAGER'S TIME FOR A PERFORMANCE CASE WAS 542 HOURS
02:00:06OF THEIR TIME. SO ABOUT A QUARTER OF A WORK
02:00:09YEAR FOR A CONDUCT CASE IT WAS
02:00:12292 HOURS. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE
02:00:15TIME FOR HR AND LEGAL. AND IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE
02:00:19POST REMOVAL APPEALS FOR THE
02:00:22MERIT BOARD OFFICE OF SPECIAL COUNSEL AND THE EQUAL
02:00:26OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYMENT--
02:00:31THERE'S A LOT MORE BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL.
02:00:34HOST: SHELLEY IS IN SPRINGFIELD,
02:00:38VIRGINIA. WELCOME TO THE CONVERSATION. GO AHEAD.
02:00:42SHELLEY IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA? CALLER: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
02:00:45HOST: WE CAN. GO AHEAD.
02:00:49QUESTION OR COMMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE.
02:00:51CALLER: I WAS ONE OF THE
02:00:56EMPLOYEES SUBJECT TO THE DOGE CUTS LAST YEAR. I HAD WORKED IN THE FEDERAL
02:01:00GOVERNMENT TECHNICALLY SINCE 1987.
02:01:02I WORKED UNTIL MY LAST DAY OF
02:01:05AUGUST 1, 2025. MY SITUATION WASN'T BECAUSE OF
02:01:10DEFICIENCIES OR PEOPLE THAT NEEDED TO GO BECAUSE THEY
02:01:12WEREN'T DOING THEIR JOB. MY UNIT WAS ALWAYS HIGHLY RATED.
02:01:16WE WERE VERY SUCCESSFUL AND FUNCTIONAL. THEY JUST MADE RANDOM CUTS AND
02:01:21DECIDED OH, WE DON'T NEED
02:01:26STATISTICS ANYMORE. I WENT TO ONE OF THE FEDERAL STATISTICAL AGENCIES THAT WAS
02:01:29GUTTED BY 97%.
02:01:30THEY SLOWLY HAVE HAD TO HIRE
02:01:37SOME PEOPLE BACK. BECAUSE OF MY AGE, I'M JUST RETIRED NOW.
02:01:40I PROBABLY WON'T WORK AGAIN FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
02:01:44NOT AFTER THAT EXPERIENCE.
02:01:49IT WASN'T COST SAVING.
02:01:52THE WORK IS STILL REQUIRED. STILL STATUTORILY REQUIRED.
02:02:00THINGS LIKE MY PART, WHICH WAS
02:02:02IN CONFIDENTIALITY AND PROTECTION OF RESPONDENTS WHO DO
02:02:06FEDERAL SERVICE. IT DIDN'T SAVE ANY MONEY AT ALL
02:02:09THAT I CAN SEE. I THINK IT SPENT MORE MONEY.
02:02:13I WAS PAID FOR APPROXIMATELY 4.5
02:02:16MONTHS SINCE THE DATE OF THEIR ANNOUNCEMENT TO NOT WORK.
02:02:20CANNOT DO MY JOB.
02:02:24-- TO NOT DO MY JOB. I WILL SAY ONE LAST THING.
02:02:29THEY HAD A GUY FROM THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION HERE WHO TRIED TO
02:02:31EXPLAIN THAT EVEN THOUGH HE IS
02:02:33STILL TOUTING THAT THIS WAS COST-SAVING, WE SAVED SO MUCH
02:02:38MONEY, I DON'T SEE THAT WE SAVED ANY MONEY AT ALL.
02:02:40HOST: OK, SHELLEY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR STORY
02:02:44TODAY. APRIL HARDING? GUEST: THE POINT ABOUT
02:02:48EFFICIENCY AND COST SAVINGS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE
02:02:52TACKLING FIRING FOR A CAUSE IS BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, OUR GOAL IS
02:02:56AN EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT DOES
02:02:58WHAT IT IS MEANT TO DO FOR THE
02:03:02AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND A GOVERNMENT THAT COSTS LESS BUT DOES NOT DELIVER VALUE OR
02:03:06CREATE THE OUTCOMES THAT ITS
02:03:08INTENDED TO DELIVER IS NOT EFFICIENT.
02:03:11I WAS A MISSING LINK IN THE WAY THESE CUTS WERE HANDLED.
02:03:14IT WAS ABOUT REDUCING WORKFORCE WITHOUT ANY CLEAR TIE TO WHAT
02:03:17THAT MEANT FOR WHAT THE
02:03:21WORKFORCE HAD PRODUCING AND WHAT THEY COULD PRODUCE.
02:03:22GUEST: TO SHELLEY'S POINT,
02:03:26CONGRESS HAS THE POWER FIRST. IF THIS IS STILL STATUTORILY
02:03:29REQUIRED AND WE WANT THESE STATISTICS IN ORDER TO RUN OUR
02:03:32COUNTRY, WE SHOULD NOT BE FIRING
02:03:35THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THAT. WE SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR
02:03:38EFFICIENCIES, WAYS TO AUTOMATE A FEW THINGS THEY ARE DOING BUT,
02:03:44YEAH. THE POINT IS YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT, SHELLEY. 100%.
02:03:47IT WAS RANDOM, BASED ON LETTING
02:03:50PEOPLE GO WITH THE LEAST
02:03:54PROTECTIONS OR A DE FACTO
02:03:56REDUCTION OF FORCE WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION. BUT IT WAS NOT TIED TO
02:04:01PERFORMANCE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS GETTING AWAY FROM THIS
02:04:03RANDOMNESS TO A SYSTEM THAT BALANCES THE SPEED AND DUE
02:04:07PROCESS AND GIVES PEOPLE CONFIDENCE THEY WILL HAVE A
02:04:12CIVIL SERVICE THAT THEY CAN DELIVER.
02:04:14HOST: WE WILL GO DOWN TO GEORGIA.
02:04:17BILL, GOOD REPUBLICAN --
02:04:21BILL, REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
02:04:22CALLER: THE FAA SENT OUT A
02:04:26REPORT THAT THE AIRCRAFT DISASTER IN NEW YORK, WHERE A
02:04:30COUPLE OF PILOTS WERE KILLED, AIR CANADA PILOTS, YESTERDAY
02:04:33THEY DECLARED THAT THE AIR
02:04:37TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS LEFT THEIR
02:04:38POST EARLY AND THERE WAS NOT
02:04:43ENOUGH PEOPLE IN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TO PREVENT THE ACCIDENT
02:04:45WHERE THE PLATE -- PLANE DROVE
02:04:49INTO A FIRE TRUCK.
02:04:52THOSE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS HAVE A SPECIAL PROGRAM WHERE THEY CAN'T BE FIRED, THEY CAN'T
02:04:56BE LET GO. THIS IS TYPICAL OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
02:05:00THESE LADIES HERE ARE SO TYPICAL OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
02:05:02HOST: LET'S FIND OUT. IS THAT TYPICAL?
02:05:05GUEST: IT'S NOT TYPICAL.
02:05:08IT'S DEFINITELY UNCOMMON BUT WE THINK IT'S TOO HARD TO ADDRESS
02:05:12THAT WHEN IT OCCURS. BILL, I AGREE WITH YOU. I SAW THAT STORY.
02:05:16THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE
02:05:22BEING ABSENT WITHOUT LEAVE IN A REALLY CRITICAL JOB.
02:05:26IT SHOWS POST DOGE, PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING REMOVED BECAUSE THIS
02:05:29CRASH OCCURRED ON MARCH 22. THERE'S ALL THIS FANFARE AROUND
02:05:33RANDOM CUTS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFORMANCE BUT YET WHEN THERE IS A PERFORMANCE ISSUE,
02:05:36PEOPLE WHO CREATED A HORRIBLE
02:05:40MESS ON MARCH 22 ARE STILL ON THE JOB. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE ON
02:05:44ADMINISTERED OF LEAP BUT THAT'S OUR POINT.
02:05:49-- ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE BUT THAT'S OUR POINT.
02:05:56-- 10 OF THE 22 PEOPLE WERE SUCCESSFULLY REMOVED FROM FEDERAL SERVICE.
02:06:00I PERSONALLY HAVE REMOVED AN EMPLOYEE FROM FEDERAL SERVICE.
02:06:04IT TOOK TWO YEARS. IT'S A REALLY LENGTHY PROCESS.
02:06:07OUR POINT IS, IN OUR PAPER WHICH
02:06:10I HOPE YOU WILL READ, THE
02:06:11PROCESS IS DESIGNED WITH AGENCY
02:06:16REGULATIONS AND BUREAU REGULATIONS. ON TOP OF THAT COLLECTIVE
02:06:19BARGAINING AGREEMENT, IT HAS MADE IT SO BURDENSOME FOR
02:06:25MANAGERS TO REMOVE PEOPLE THROUGH EIGHT NORMAL ORDERLY
02:06:28PROCESS THAT IT CREATES THE SPACE FOR RANDOM REMOVALS.
02:06:31WE WANT TO GET BACK TO A NORMAL, ORDERLY PROCESS THAT DOES ALLOW
02:06:34US TO DEAL PROACTIVELY WITH THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, BILL.
02:06:38HOST: TWO YEARS TO REMOVE AN
02:06:43EMPLOYEE, APRIL HARDING. THAT'S TYPICAL? GUEST: WE HAVE FOUND THAT IS
02:06:46TYPICAL FOR SOME TYPES OF REMOVALS. THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS IT TAKES TOO ALONG.
02:06:50IT TAKES LONGER IN GOVERNMENT
02:06:53THAN IT DID FOR ME IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THE ROOT CAUSE OF THAT IS THERE
02:06:57IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PROCESS.
02:07:00THAT'S WHY WE STARTED WITH DOCUMENTING THE WAY THAT THE
02:07:02MULTIPLE PROCESSES INTERSECT AND THE MULTIPLE OFFER RANTS AND
02:07:06LOOPS THAT I CAN GO THROUGH. ONE OF OUR CORE RECOMMENDATIONS
02:07:09IS TO CREATE A SINGLE GOVERNMENT WIDE TRANSPARENT, DOCUMENT
02:07:13PROCESS AND CREATE A SOURCE
02:07:17OF TRUTH FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
02:07:18THAT PROCESS AND A SINGLE FILE
02:07:23OF APPEALS IF NEEDED.
02:07:26REALLY CLEANING UP AND MAKING IT SO THAT IT WORKS FASTER AND BETTER.
02:07:29HOST: FROM YOU IS WHO WANT TO
02:07:32DIG INTO THE DETAILS OF THIS
02:07:34REPORT, GO TO WETHEDOERS.ORG.
02:07:41LINDA IN UTAH, YOU ARE NEXT. ARE YOU A FEDERAL WORKER?
02:07:43CALLER: I AM A FORMER FEDERAL WORKER.
02:07:46HOST: OK. TELL US YOUR STORY.
02:07:50CALLER: WHEN THE IRS HAD THE
02:07:53MASS LAYOFFS, PEOPLE ARE BEING HIRED BACK THAT WORKED FOR THE IRS.
02:07:57THEY WERE 12, 13 AND 14.
02:08:07I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S IMPROVING THE GOVERNMENT.
02:08:10AND YET, WE STILL HAVE MANAGEMENT THAT MOVES PEOPLE
02:08:13AROUND INTO POSITIONS THAT THEY
02:08:15ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR, BECAUSE
02:08:18THEY HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE MANAGEMENT LIKES THEM MORE NOW THAN BEFORE.
02:08:24I FIND THAT VERY INTERESTING. HOST: LINDA, I WANT TO PICK UP
02:08:27ON WHAT SHE SAID.
02:08:3012'S, 13'S AND COMING BACK, IT'S FIVES, SEVENS, NINES.
02:08:35WHAT'S THE SCALE? -- EXPLAIN THE SCALE.
02:08:38GUEST: THERE'S THE GENERAL
02:08:43WAGES. IT GOES UP TO WAIT 15. A GENERAL OFFICE WORKER STARTS
02:08:47AT SEVEN, IT DOESN'T REALLY START AT ONE. ALTHOUGH I GUESS SOME PEOPLE ARE
02:08:51COMING BACK AS FIVE.
02:08:5311, 12, 13 IS MID TO HIGH END OF THAT SCALE.
02:08:56YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MAKING
02:08:58PROBABLY IN A RANGE OF 90,000
02:09:02DOLLARS TO $125,000. HOST: IF YOU ARE A 12 OR A 13.
02:09:07GUEST: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE
02:09:11NUMBERS ARE BUT THE FIVE AND SEVEN, IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT PAY WORK AND THEY ARE BEING
02:09:14ASKED TO DO THE SAME WORK. WE DID NOT GET INTO THE
02:09:17CLASSIFICATION, ALTHOUGH HE'S BEEN WORKING.
02:09:21HOST: DID YOU FIND OUT THAT
02:09:27PEOPLE WHO WERE FIRED BY THE DOGE PROCESS, IF THEY CAME BACK,
02:09:30THEY WERE COMING BACK AT A LOWER LEVEL?
02:09:32GUEST: I DID NOT OBSERVE THAT
02:09:36WHILE I WAS STILL IN GOVERNMENT. I THINK THAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE I DEPARTED.
02:09:39WHAT I CAN SAY IN PARTICULAR FOR THE IRS AND I BELIEVE IT'S
02:09:43HAPPENING IN MULTIPLE AGENCIES, WHEN THERE IS A GAP THAT IS
02:09:45ARBITRARY AND NOT STRATEGIC AND WE ARE REMOVING A LOT OF PEOPLE
02:09:48AND THEN THERE IS SUDDENLY AN ISSUE WITH WORKFORCE AND
02:09:52BRINGING PEOPLE BACK, IT'S NOT THE BEST WAY TO REFILL THOSE
02:09:54SLOTS IN TERMS OF SERVICE DELIVERY. THERE'S A LOT OF SHUFFLING
02:09:58AROUND THAT HAPPENED WITHIN THE EXISTING WORKFORCE.
02:10:00THE HYPOTHESIS SEEMED TO BE THAT IF YOU REMOVE AN ARBITRARY SET
02:10:04OF PEOPLE, YOU CAN MOVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL EMPLOYED INTO THOSE ROLES.
02:10:08AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS.
02:10:11BUT, IT DOES CAUSE DISRUPTION, BRINGING PEOPLE BACK AND
02:10:14UNDERPAYING THEM IS NOT LIKELY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM ANY FASTER
02:10:17THAN PUTTING THE WRONG PEOPLE IN THESE JOBS.
02:10:19HOST: WE WILL GO TO BARBARA IN
02:10:23BLACKSBURG, VIRGINIA. INDEPENDENT. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
02:10:28CALL. THANK YOU FOR C-SPAN.
02:10:31YOUR GUESTS ARE PROBABLY
02:10:34FAMILIAR WITH MICHAEL LEWIS'S
02:10:38BOOK, WHO IS GOVERNMENT?
02:10:42IT IS A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS AND
02:10:44ESSAYS ABOUT PUBLIC SERVANTS.
02:10:49AND JUST HOW HARD-WORKING THEY ARE.
02:10:52AND WHY THEY PREFER TO PERHAPS
02:10:56MAKE LESS MONEY FOR THE FEDERAL
02:11:01GOVERNMENT THAN THEY MIGHT GET
02:11:04IN PUBLIC SECTOR -- PRIVATE SECTOR.
02:11:07I BELIEVE I FIRST SAW HIM IN
02:11:09WASHINGTON JOURNAL A YEAR AGO,
02:11:12TALKING ABOUT THIS BOOK.
02:11:13AND I THINK ONE OF THE -- I
02:11:18DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, THE TIMES OR THE
02:11:21POST, RAN A SERIES OF THESE
02:11:24ESSAYS, BACK A YEAR AGO.
02:11:29GUEST: YOU READ IT, RIGHT? GUEST: I HAVE.
02:11:33THE PREMISE OF THE BOOK IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE PUBLIC
02:11:37SERVANTS ARE VERY MISSION MOTIVATED AND MY DIRECT
02:11:39EXPERIENCE WITH MY TEAM AND IRS,
02:11:43THE REASON I PIVOTED INTO GOVERNMENT VERY INTENTIONALLY
02:11:46WAS BECAUSE I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT AMERICA AND THE MISSION AND THE
02:11:50WORK THAT WE DO. AND THAT IS THE MAJORITY OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.
02:11:56ONE OF THE CORE REASONS WE
02:11:59FOCUSED ON FIRING AS AN UNDERLYING IMPORTANT THING TO
02:12:03RESOLVE TO BUILD A MORE PRODUCTIVE AND EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE CIVIL SERVICE IS
02:12:06BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE JOB WHO ARE NOT PERFORMING,
02:12:10SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO PICK UP ALL THAT WORK. IT BECOMES A DRAG ON MORALE AND
02:12:14PRODUCTIVITY AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CIVIL SERVANTS WHO
02:12:17ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING DAY IN AND DAY OUT, WORKING EXTREMELY HARD FOR ALL OF US.
02:12:22HOST: DENNIS IN JANESVILLE,
02:12:25WISCONSIN, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. YOU ARE TALKING WITH MAUREEN
02:12:29KLOVERS AND APRIL HARDING.
02:12:31CALLER: GOOD MORNING MY FATHER
02:12:34WAS A GRADUATE WITH A MASTERS IN
02:12:38BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION. HE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HR GUYS FROM 1940.
02:12:43I CONTACTED MY CONGRESSMAN PROBABLY 20 TO 25 YEARS AGO.
02:12:46THE SITUATION AT DHS AND THE IRS
02:12:51, THEY JUST LAY PEOPLE OFF.
02:12:53LAST TIME I HAD BUSINESS WITH THE IRS ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I
02:12:56WAS ON HOLD FOR FIVE CALLS, 50
02:13:02MINUTES EACH. ON MY FIFTH CALL, I FINALLY GOT
02:13:05THROUGH ON THE LAST MINUTE AND I EXPLAINED THE SITUATION TO THE
02:13:08WORKER AND THEY SAID GOSH, YOU
02:13:11ARE ONE OF THE LOCKER -- LUCKY ONES.
02:13:18AT&T, THEY ARE TAKING $100
02:13:20MILLION IN TAX DOLLARS FOR WHAT
02:13:22OUGHT TO BE HIT ONE, LEAVE A MESSAGE, TELL US WHAT YOU ARE
02:13:27LOOKING FOR, DIRECT THE INFORMATION SO THE AGENT YOU ARE
02:13:30DEALING WITH CAN GO TO WORK ON IT AND HAVE AN IDEA.
02:13:35INSTEAD, AFTER 250 MINUTES ON
02:13:38HOLD, INSTEAD OF HAVING YOUR AGENT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOMEBODY
02:13:41LIKE ME, WHO IS ABOUT READY TO
02:13:43GO POSTAL ON HIM, AND TRUMP --
02:13:50HOST: I'LL JUMP IN.
02:13:53APRIL HARDING, YOU WORK ON IRS. YOUR THOUGHTS AS YOU ARE LISTENING TO THAT STORY?
02:13:57GUEST: UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A
02:14:00PRETTY TYPICAL STORY. IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS
02:14:04ADMINISTRATION AND IT'S EVEN MORE SO BASED ON WHAT'S
02:14:07BEEN REPORTED IN THE LAST YEAR.
02:14:10BEYOND JUST REMOVING EMPLOYEES, THERE IS AN ISSUE BEING
02:14:13DESCRIBED HERE WHICH IS THAT THERE IS AN INABILITY RIGHT NOW
02:14:17FOR FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DO LONG-TERM PLANNING, LONG-TERM
02:14:21STRATEGIC INVESTMENT. I WAS IRS DURING THE TIME WE HAVE FUNDING AND MANDATE FOR
02:14:25DIGITAL TRANSFORMATION, REDUCING CALL TIMES WAS A KEY PART OF THAT.
02:14:27MY WORK AS AN EXPERIENCED
02:14:31DESIGNER, ONE THING I TALKED ABOUT A LOT AT IRS WAS THE BEST WAY TO REDUCE CALL TIMES WAS TO
02:14:34MAKE IT SO -- SO THAT NO ONE
02:14:39NEEDS TO CALL IN THE FIRST PLACE.
02:14:42CALLBACK HAS BEEN INTRODUCED BUT ONLY FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF PHONE LINES.
02:14:46THAT'S A RESOLUTION TO A SYMPTOM OF A PROBLEM.
02:14:49WHAT WE ADVOCATE IS OUTCOMES
02:14:53DRIVEN STRATEGIC PLANNING AND RESOLVING THE STATUTORY AND REGULAR TORY CONSTRAINTS THAT
02:14:56PREVENT AGENCIES FROM DOING THAT.
02:14:59BECAUSE IT'S A WHOLE OF GOVERNMENT ISSUE AND A WHOLE OF
02:15:03IRS ISSUE TO SOLVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT LEAD TO A PERSON EXPERIENCING WHAT THE CALLER
02:15:06JUST DESCRIBED. HOST: RANDY IN ILLINOIS, GOOD
02:15:10MORNING TO YOU. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
02:15:12HOST: ARE YOU A CURRENT OR
02:15:15FORMER FEDERAL EMPLOYEE? CALLER: A FORMER EMPLOYEE.
02:15:19I'M A PROUD GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE WHO PUT IN 33 YEARS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
02:15:23WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO
02:15:24THESE TWO YOUNG LADIES, I CAN
02:15:27TELL THAT THEY ARE BOTH MANAGERS BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT
02:15:31NOW, FOR A FACT, THE BIGGEST
02:15:34FALLACY OUT THERE IS THAT YOU CAN NEVER FIRE A GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE.
02:15:38I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY CAN FIRE
02:15:39FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND IT IS DONE PROPERLY.
02:15:43THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE GOT IS LOW PERFORMING MANAGERS DON'T KNOW
02:15:46HOW TO DO THEIR JOBS.
02:15:48THESE LADIES EXPLAINED HOW IT
02:15:53TAKES TWO YEARS AND ALL OF THAT. THAT'S A BUNCH OF BALONEY.
02:15:56IF THESE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD AND READ THE RULES AND THE
02:16:00REGULATIONS AND THE UNION CONTRACT, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND.
02:16:03IT'S POSSIBLE, YOU JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROCEDURES.
02:16:06I WANT TO ALSO EXPLAIN FIRMLY
02:16:10HERE THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO UNION CONTRACT IN THE PUBLIC OR
02:16:14THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT SAYS
02:16:19MANAGEMENT CANNOT FIRE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE.
02:16:22THAT IS A BUNCH OF BALONEY. AND FEDERAL EMPLOYEES DO GET FIRED.
02:16:26HOST: OK, RANDY. YOU'VE MADE YOUR CASE.
02:16:29LET'S GET A RESPONSE. GUEST: I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT THAT UP.
02:16:32WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT?
02:16:37FIRST OFF, WE AGREE WITH YOU THAT NOT ALL MANAGERS ARE
02:16:41CREATED EQUAL. WE WERE GIVING THE MANAGER'S PERSPECTIVE.
02:16:43FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO CLEAR PROCESS. THERE IS A PROCESS IF YOU GO TO
02:16:46THE STATUTE, IT'S VERY SHORT. IF YOU GO TO THE OPM, IT'S A BIT
02:16:50LONGER. WHAT WE FOUND ACROSS THE 10 MANAGERS AT 10 DIFFERENT
02:16:54AGENCIES IS THE PROCESS IS DIFFERENT AT EVERY AGENCY AND IT
02:16:58DEPENDS WHICH HR A LEGAL PERSON YOU ARE ASSIGNED. PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE
02:17:02EXPERIENCED AS MANAGERS WAS HR
02:17:05AND LEGAL WERE VERY RISK-AVERSE. VERY OVERBURDENED AND FREQUENTLY
02:17:09WOULD NOT GET BACK TO US FOR MONTHS AT A TIME WITH FEEDBACK
02:17:12ABOUT HOW TO STRUCTURE A PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
02:17:16BEYOND THAT, THERE ARE ALL THESE OFF RAMPS TO THE PROCESS.
02:17:19AN EMPLOYEE, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN
02:17:21TAKE FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE, WHICH IS A GREAT ACT FOR MOST PEOPLE.
02:17:25BUT WHEN IT INTERSECTS WITH THE DISCIPLINE PROCESS, IT CAN
02:17:29CREATE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS. THEY CAN REQUEST REASONABLE
02:17:32ACCOMMODATION AND USE THAT TO CREATE A DISABILITY DISCRIMINATION CLAIM IT LATER.
02:17:36THEY CAN FILE A GRIEVANCE. IF THEY HAVE A UNION, THEY GET
02:17:40THE UNION INVOLVED, TYPICALLY. THEY CAN GO TO THEIR EQUAL
02:17:43EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY OFFICE AND FILE A COMPLAINT. WHAT WAS INTERESTING IS WE HAD
02:17:4712 CASES WE LOOKED AT IN DETAIL. THREE OF WHICH INVOLVED FAMILY
02:17:52MEDICAL LEAVE.
02:17:5410 OF THE 12 INVOLVED EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY.
02:17:57NONE OF THOSE GRIEVANCES AND NONE OF THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE UPHELD.
02:18:03THEY DELAYED THE PROCESS BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.
02:18:07IT TAKES ON AVERAGE 21 MONTHS TO
02:18:09GET TO REMOVAL THROUGH THOSE PROCESSES.
02:18:12AND THEN AFTER REMOVAL, CASES WERE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH
02:18:15BETWEEN THE OSC AND THE ESE.
02:18:21WE TALKED TO ONE WOMAN IN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND SHE
02:18:23RECOUNTED A CASE THAT WENT FOR 10 YEARS RICOCHETING BETWEEN
02:18:28THESE BODIES.
02:18:32SHE HAD TO SETTLE BECAUSE NONE OF THE WITNESSES WERE AVAILABLE ANYMORE.
02:18:34HOST: THANK YOU BOTH OF YOU FOR
02:18:38THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
02:18:45UP, A DISCUSSION WITH LINDSAY
02:18:49CHERVINSKY ON THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF
02:18:53BROOKLYN AND HOW IT SHAPED THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. STAY WITH US.
02:18:56♪
02:19:01>> AMERICAN HISTORY TV,
02:19:06SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN TWO, EXPLORING THE PEOPLE AND EVENTS
02:19:09THAT TELL THE AMERICAN STORY. AT 1:30 P.M. EASTERN, WE WILL
02:19:13TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF THE IOWA STATE FAIR FOR A LOOK AT THE
02:19:18ANNUAL CELEBRATION'S FAMOUS LANDMARKS, STORIES FROM THE
02:19:20FARES PAST AND A CLOSE ENCOUNTER
02:19:23WITH THE ICONIC BUTTER COW. LATER, A HISTORICAL TOUR OF THE
02:19:26MARINE BARRACKS IN WASHINGTON,
02:19:28D.C., HOME OF THE PRESIDENT'S OWN U.S. MARINE BANK.
02:19:31YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE DRUM MAJOR AND SEE THE WEEKLY DRILL
02:19:34PARADE IN CONCERT OF THE MARINE CORPS AT 5:00 P.M. EASTERN.
02:19:38AND THEN AT 7:00, AS PART OF OUR IN PURSUIT SERIES ON
02:19:42PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP,
02:19:45JOURNALISTS AND HISTORIANS REFLECT ON WARREN HARDING, FIRST
02:19:47LADY FLORENCE HARDING, WOODROW
02:19:50WILSON AND FIRST LADY EDITH WILSON. EXPLORING THE AMERICAN STORY,
02:19:54AMERICAN HISTORY TV, SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN2.
02:19:57FIND A FULL SCHEDULE ON YOUR PROGRAM GUIDE OR WATCH ONLINE
02:20:00ANY TIME AT C-SPAN.ORG/HISTORY.
02:20:04>> WATCHED AMERICA'S BOOK CLUB.
02:20:09C-SPAN'S BOLD, ORIGINAL SERIES.
02:20:12SUNDAY, WITH OUR GUEST, AWARD-WINNING GLOBAL NUMBER ONE
02:20:15BEST-SELLING AUTHOR, DAVID BALDACCI. HIS THRILLERS HAVE SOLD OVER 200
02:20:18MILLION COPIES WORLDWIDE.
02:20:21PUBLISHED IN OVER 45 LANGUAGES, IN MORE THAN 80 COUNTRIES.
02:20:25HE JOINS OUR HOST, RENOWNED AUTHOR AND CIVIC LEADER, DAVID RUBENSTEIN.
02:20:28HOST: SO, WHEN YOU ARE WRITING,
02:20:34DO YOU EVER SAY TO YOURSELF, DO YOU EVER DAYDREAM OR LOSE YOUR
02:20:37TRAIN OF THOUGHT?
02:20:40OR ARE YOU JUST TUNNEL VISION ON WHAT YOU ARE WRITING?
02:20:42>> I DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
02:20:45I HAVE TUNNEL VISION AND I LET MY IMAGINATION RUN.
02:20:48I HAVE FOUND THAT WHEN I TRY TO KEEP MY IMAGINATION IN CHECK, I
02:20:52MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. I DON'T WANT TO MISS OPPORTUNITIES. PEOPLE ASK WHERE I GET MY IDEAS
02:20:57FROM, I GET UP EVERYDAY AND WALK OUT THE DOOR AND SEE WHAT'S IN FRONT OF ME.
02:21:00I'M NOT ON MY IPHONE, LOOKING AT MY IPHONE.
02:21:04I'M LOOKING AT PEOPLE. I'VE GOTTEN IDEAS FROM WALKING
02:21:07DOWN THE STREET AND SEEING TWO PEOPLE TALKING AND I'M WONDERING WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT?
02:21:11MAYBE I CAN ANSWER THAT MYSELF. OR I SEE A GUY WITH A BOX GET ON
02:21:15A BUS, I WONDER WHAT'S IN THE BOX AND WHERE IS THE GUY GOING?
02:21:21AND THEN I HAVE A STORY FROM THAT. THE IDEAS ARE AROUND YOU ALL THE TIME.
02:21:25IT'S JUST YOU ARE NOT RECEPTIVE
02:21:28ABOUT SEEING SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.
02:21:30ONCE YOU ARE RECEPTIVE, THEN
02:21:34YOU WILL HAVE TOO IDEAS.
02:21:36>> WATCHED DAVID BALDACCI SUNDAY
02:21:41AT 6:00 P.M. AND 9:00 P.M.
02:21:44EASTERN AND PACIFIC TIME, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
02:21:49>> STAYING INFORMED IS
02:21:55ESSENTIAL. THE C-SPANSHOP HAS THE APPAREL
02:21:57TO MATCH YOUR CIVIC ENERGY.
02:21:59PREMIUM T-SHIRTS, HATS AND DRINK WHERE, EVERYDAY FAVORITES FOR
02:22:03THOSE PASSIONATE ABOUT POLITICS THROUGH C-SPAN.
02:22:06THERE'S SOMETHING FOR EVERY C-SPAN FAN.
02:22:09AND EVERY PURCHASE HELPS SUPPORT OUR NONPROFIT OPERATIONS.
02:22:12SHOP NOW OR ANYTIME ONLINE AT C-SPANSHOP.ORG.
02:22:16GEAR UP FOR ENGAGEMENT.
02:22:18>> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
02:22:21>> AT OUR TABLE THIS MORNING,
02:22:25LINDSAY CHERVINSKY HERE WITH A HISTORY LESSON.
02:22:26HOST: LET'S BEGIN WITH YOUR
02:22:30PIECE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL. HOW GEORGE WASHINGTON'S DEFEAT
02:22:34LED TO AMERICA'S VICTORY.
02:22:37AFTER LOSING THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF CHANGED STRATEGY AND THE COURSE
02:22:41OF HISTORY. GUEST: YEAH, HE DID. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
02:22:45IT'S A THRILL TO BE HERE. YESTERDAY WAS THE 250TH
02:22:48ANNIVERSARY OF THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE BATTLE OF LONG ISLAND.
02:22:51IT WAS ONE OF THE WORST DEFEATS AMERICANS EXPERIENCED.
02:22:55BOTH IN TERMS OF LOGISTICALLY AND IT ULTIMATELY LED TO THE
02:22:59LOSS OF NEW YORK, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF
02:23:02CASUALTIES, THE PEOPLE CAPTURED, IT WAS REALLY EMBARRASSING. I THINK THE TAKE AWAY IS OUT OF
02:23:07THE DEEP, DARK MOMENTS OF
02:23:12SEPTEMBER OF 1776, CAME THE MOMENTS THAT LEAD TO SUCCESS.
02:23:16HOST: WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN?
02:23:19GUEST: WASHINGTON AND HENRY KNOX
02:23:24BROUGHT THE FAMOUS CANNONS TO THE TOP OF THE HILLS AROUND
02:23:27BOSTON AND FORCED THE BRITISH NAVY OUT OF THE CITY. THAT WAS A GREAT VICTORY.
02:23:31I THINK IT WENT FOR A LONG WAY TOWARD PROVING TO THE AMERICANS
02:23:35THAT INDEPENDENCE MIGHT BE POSSIBLE. THEN THE BRITISH NAVY DISAPPEARED FOR A MOMENT.
02:23:39THEY WENT UP TO CANADA
02:23:40ALTERNATELY AND WASHING --
02:23:44ULTIMATELY AND WASHINGTON SUSPECTED HE WOULD -- THEY WOULD
02:23:48GO DOWN TO NEW YORK. NEW YORK HARBOR IT WAS THE MOST
02:23:51VALUABLE HARBOR BECAUSE IT WAS A DEEPWATER PORT AND STILL IS.
02:23:54THE IDEA WAS TO TRY AND DEFEND THIS HARBOR.
02:23:56JUST BEFORE JULY 4, THE BRITISH NAVY STARTED TO COME IN AND IT
02:24:02WAS DESCRIBED AS THE LARGEST FLOATING FORCE THAT HAD EVER BEEN COMPILED.
02:24:06HOST: YOU SAID IT CHANGED
02:24:10STRATEGY FOR THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. HOW SO? GUEST: WASHINGTON REALIZED THE
02:24:14ARMY HE HAD, ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD BECOME MUCH MORE RESPECTABLE. THEY WOULD BECOME MORE
02:24:18PROFESSIONAL. BUT THEY WERE NOT THERE YET. AND SO HE REALIZED THEY COULD
02:24:22NOT HAVE ANY COMPLEX BATTLE PLANS.
02:24:25HE CANNOT EXPECT THEM TO ENGAGE
02:24:28IN FULL FRONTAL BATTLE WITH THE
02:24:30BRITISH BECAUSE IF THE ARMY WAS
02:24:34DESTROYED, THE CAUSE FOR INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE DESTROYED.
02:24:37HE DIDN'T HAVE TO WIN ON THE BATTLEFIELD, HE JUST HAD TO SURVIVE.
02:24:41HE STARTED TO PRIORITIZE SURVIVAL AND ESCAPE MUCH MORE THAN THE BIG WIN.
02:24:44HOST: HOW DID THIS CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY?
02:24:48GUEST: TODAY, WE THINK OF THINGS LIKE INSURGENT WAR AND WE THINK
02:24:52OF VIETNAM AND THE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME, AT
02:24:55LEAST CERTAINLY IN ANY OF THEIR MEMORIES AND IN RECENT HISTORY
02:24:59THAT AN INSURGENT WAR HAD BEEN
02:25:05WON. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME A COLONY DECLARED INDEPENDENCE AND
02:25:09ACHIEVED IT.
02:25:10IT LED TO OVER -- OTHER
02:25:14REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD. IT WAS A REVOLUTIONARY MOMENT.
02:25:15HOST: WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR OUR VIEWERS AND THE AMERICAN
02:25:20PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS BATTLE? GUEST: IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT
02:25:23COMES RIGHT AFTER JULY 4. WE HAVE THIS CELEBRATORY MOMENT AND IT'S FOLLOWED BY THIS
02:25:27TERRIBLE DEFEAT. THAT REMINDS US THAT NOTHING IS
02:25:30EVER INEVITABLE. NOTHING IS EVER GUARANTEED. BUT ALSO CRITICALLY, IT REMINDS
02:25:34US THAT IF WE LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES, WHICH WASHINGTON AND
02:25:38THE ARMY DID DO, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE FATAL.
02:25:40HOST: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE
02:25:43MISTAKES BUT I WANT TO INVITE
02:25:45OUR VIEWERS TO JOIN US IN THE CONVERSATION THIS MORNING.
02:25:48IF YOU LIVED IN THE EASTERN CENTRAL PART OF THE COUNTRY,
02:25:51YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8000.
02:25:55MOUNTAIN PACIFIC, DIAL IN AT (202) 748-8001.
02:25:58WE WILL TAKE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES. INCLUDE YOUR FIRST NAME, CITY
02:26:01AND STATE AT (202) 748-8002.
02:26:05LINDSAY CHERVINSKY, THE DEFEAT YOU RIGHT IN YOUR PIECE WAS
02:26:08LARGELY OF THEIR OWN MAKING. WHAT WERE THE KEY MILITARY
02:26:12MISTAKES WASHINGTON'S TROOPS MADE?
02:26:13GUEST: I THINK THERE WERE THREE.
02:26:16WASHINGTON SPLIT HIS FORCES BETWEEN MANHATTAN AND LONG ISLAND.
02:26:20IN GENERAL, IT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA TO SPLIT YOUR FORCES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE GOING
02:26:23AGAINST A LARGER FOE, WHICH HE WAS.
02:26:26THE SECOND BIG MISTAKE, THIS WAS SURPRISING FOR WASHINGTON BECAUSE HE HAD BEEN A SURVEY OR
02:26:30AS A YOUNG MAN SO USUALLY HE HAD A REALLY GOOD SENSE OF TERRITORY.
02:26:34BUT THEY DIDN'T ACTUALLY PROPERLY SCOPE EVERYTHING OUT.
02:26:38SO, THERE WERE THREE ROADS LEADING FROM THE BRITISH
02:26:40POSITION TO THE AMERICAN POSITION. AND THEY WERE ONLY GUARDING TWO OF THEM.
02:26:45THE THIRD ONE WAS LEFT UNDEFENDED. THE THIRD WAS, AND I UNDERSTAND
02:26:48WHY THEY WERE TRYING TO DEFEND NEW YORK.
02:26:52BUT BOTH LONG ISLAND AND MANHATTAN ARE SURROUNDED BY WATER.
02:26:55AND AMERICANS DIDN'T HAVE THE NAVY. BRITAIN HAD THE LARGEST NAVY IN THE WORLD.
02:26:59I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND ULTIMATELY
02:27:03POSITION SWING YOU ARE GOING TO BE SURROUNDED ON BOTH SIDES BY
02:27:06THE BIGGEST NAVY.
02:27:07HOST: WHAT THE DIFF -- WHAT DID
02:27:12THE DEFEAT SAY ABOUT WASHINGTON'S LEADERSHIP? GUEST: IT CAUSE PEOPLE TO
02:27:16QUESTION HIS CHOICES BECAUSE IT WAS MILITARY 10 ONE.
02:27:20THERE WAS A CRITICISM IN 1776 OF HIS GENERALSHIP INCLUDING FROM
02:27:23PEOPLE LIKE JOHN ADAMS, WHO HAD
02:27:25PUT FORTH HIS NOMINATION AS COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.
02:27:29LATER THAT YEAR, THERE WAS HIS CROSSING OF THE DELAWARE WHICH
02:27:32WE ARE COMING UP ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF. AND THE BIG VICTORY, NOT BIG IN
02:27:37TERMS OF STRATEGIC VALUE BUT BIG
02:27:38IN TERMS OF MORALE, AT TRENTON
02:27:43WHERE HE SURPRISED THE HESSIAN FORCES. THAT HELP SUPPRESS THE CRITICISM LONG-TERM.
02:27:48HOST: HOW DID WASHINGTON. AFTER THIS DEFEAT?
02:27:52GUEST: IN THE 18TH CENTURY,
02:27:57CERTAINLY IN THE MILITARY, AND IN SOCIETY IN GENERAL, IT WAS A
02:28:01HUGE PART OF WHAT IT MEANT TO BE A MAN AND A GENERAL.
02:28:04WASHINGTON HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HUMILITY TO STEP AWAY
02:28:08FROM THE IDEA THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN GLORY ON THE BATTLEFIELD.
02:28:11THAT HE WAS GOING TO WIN THIS MASSIVE, DECISIVE VICTORY.
02:28:14HE HAD TO BE WILLING TO DO THE LESS GLAMOROUS TYPE OF WAR
02:28:18FIGHTING, WHICH WAS THE SKIRMISHES, ON THE BACKEND OF
02:28:21THE BRITISH LINE OR HARASSING THEIR SUPPLY CHAIN.
02:28:25THESE WERE THINGS THAT WERE REALLY EFFECTIVE. THEY JUST WANT THE TYPE OF
02:28:28THINGS THAT YOU USUALLY SEE IN HISTORY BOOKS.
02:28:31HOST: WE ARE MARKING SIX MONTHS OF THIS AROUND CONFLICT.
02:28:36THE FRONT PAGE OF USA TODAY
02:28:38POSES THE QUESTION, WILL THIS BE A BIG PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S
02:28:44LEGACY?
02:28:45WHAT ROLE DID WAR PLAY OVER OUR 250 YEARS IN THE LEGACY OF PRESIDENT?
02:28:49GUEST: THIS IS SUCH A GOOD QUESTION.
02:28:52I THINK WARS PLAY HUGE PARTS. BECAUSE WHEN WE THINK OF PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP, WE
02:28:56THINK OF THE BIG DECISIONS THAT PRESIDENTS HAVE TO MAKE, THERE'S
02:28:59NOTHING GREATER THAN SENDING
02:29:02AMERICANS TO -- AND I.
02:29:07WE HAVE SEEN PRESIDENTS THEMSELVES ARE RELUCTANT TO GO TO WAR.
02:29:12GEORGE H.W. BUSH SERVED IN WORLD
02:29:14WAR II AND WAS SHOT DONE -- SHOT
02:29:18DOWN AND WAS METICULOUS IN INSURING THE FIRST GULF WAR WAS
02:29:22SHORT, SPECIFIC IN HIS CALCULATIONS AND THEN HE LEFT. BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT IT WAS
02:29:25GOING TO HAVE TO BE LIKE TO CALL THE FAMILIES OF THE PEOPLE THEY LOST.
02:29:28HOST: GOING BACK TO THE BATTLE
02:29:31OF BROOKLYN, WHAT BATTLES -- WHAT LESSONS DO YOU THINK
02:29:35PRESIDENTS HAVE LEARNED FROM THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN AND HOW WASHINGTON RESPONDED?
02:29:38GUEST: ONE OF THE BIG TAKEAWAYS
02:29:41IN GENERAL FOR LEADERSHIP IS A REALLY TERRIBLE DEFEAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THE END OF THE STORY.
02:29:45WE THINK OF WASHINGTON, WE DO TALK ABOUT THE MILITARY MISTAKES.
02:29:49BUT IT'S NOT USUALLY THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT COMES TO MIND.
02:29:52AND SO, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER MISTAKES DON'T HAVE TO BE THE END OF THE
02:29:56STORY. HOST: THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN HAS
02:30:00BEEN OVERSHADOWED BY OTHER POINTS OF THE REVOLUTION. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?
02:30:03GUEST: AMERICANS DON'T ALWAYS
02:30:06LIKE TO REMEMBER OUR FAILURES AND THIS BATTLE WAS AN
02:30:10UNEQUIVOCAL FAILURE. IT'S HELPFUL NOT TO THINK ABOUT IT ALL THAT MUCH.
02:30:13ALSO, WE ENDED UP WINNING THE WAR.
02:30:15IF YOU WIN THE WAR, IT'S EASY SOMETIMES TO COVER OVER SOME OF THE DARKER MOMENTS.
02:30:19HOST: AND WHERE ARE THE OTHER
02:30:22MOMENTS FROM THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION THAT OUR COUNTRY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT ISN'T ALWAYS AT THE FOREFRONT?
02:30:26GUEST: I THINK ONE OF THE
02:30:30IMPORTANT MOMENTS COMES BETWEEN THE VICTORY AT YORKTOWN AND THE
02:30:33ULTIMATE TREATY OF PARIS, WHICH WAS SIGNED ALMOST TWO YEARS LATER.
02:30:36THERE IS A HUGE CHUNK OF TIME THERE.
02:30:39WASHINGTON WAS POSITIONED IN NEWBURGH, NEW YORK WITH THE ARMY.
02:30:43HE HAD THIS BIG ARMY THAT HAD NOT BEEN PAID IN YEARS AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO.
02:30:47AND THAT IS A VERY DANGEROUS COMBINATION OF FACTORS.
02:30:51AND HE, AT SEVERAL MOMENTS, MOST
02:30:54NOTABLY BEING THE NEWBURGH CONSPIRACY, DIFFUSED A THREAT
02:30:57FOR A MILITARY COUP. THAT ENSURED THAT THE CHARACTER
02:31:00OF THE REPUBLIC, THE CIVILIAN
02:31:03CONTROL OF THE MILITARY SURVIVED AND COULD SURVIVE PAST THE REVOLUTION.
02:31:06HOST: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE
02:31:09BATTLE OF BROOKLYN AND THE NATIONS TWO HUNDRED 50TH
02:31:13BIRTHDAY ANNIVERSARY. LINDSAY CHERVINSKY IS HERE WITH US. AND HER RECENT PIECE IN THE WALL
02:31:17STREET JOURNAL IS HOW GEORGE
02:31:20WASHINGTON'S DEFEAT LED TO AMERICA'S VICTORY.
02:31:23AFTER LOSING THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN, THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF
02:31:26CHANGED STRATEGY AND THE COURSE OF HISTORY. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU
02:31:30THIS MORNING AS PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. WE WILL GO TO SALLY SUE, WHO
02:31:34POSTED ON X, HOW CLOSE DID THE
02:31:36AMERICAN REVOLUTION COME TO
02:31:40ENDING AT THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN? THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION.
02:31:42GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND
02:31:45IT'S ONE OF THE MOMENTS WHERE
02:31:46FATE HAS A PART IN HOW HISTORY
02:31:50UNFOLDS. THERE WAS A TERRIBLE STORM.
02:31:54IT FORCED THE BRITISH SHIPS INTO HARBOR.
02:31:57THESE WOULD BE PATROL SHIPS THAT WERE KEEPING ON THE HARBOR.
02:32:00AFTER THAT STORM, THE -- THIS
02:32:04INSANE FONT CAME IN AND SETTLED OVER THE WATER.
02:32:06NEW YORK HARBOR IS NOT
02:32:11KNOWN FOR HAVING THAT TYPE OF WEATHER. IT WAS REALLY UNUSUAL. IT PROVIDED COVER FOR THE
02:32:15CONTINENTAL ARMY AND FOR WASHINGTON TO ESCAPE.
02:32:19HAD THAT NOT HAPPEN, I DON'T KNOW THAT ESCAPE WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE.
02:32:22THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF LUCK INVOLVED WITH ALL OF THIS.
02:32:24HOST: JOHNNY IN INDIANA, WELCOME.
02:32:27CALLER: HELLO. GOOD MORNING, GUYS.
02:32:30THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:32:32I WOULD LIKE MISS CHERVINSKY TO
02:32:35COMMENT ON, I NOTE SHE SAID
02:32:41WASHINGTON DEVELOPED A SCHEME OF SURVIVING AND THEN RETREATING I
02:32:44THINK SHE SAID. BUT, IF SHE COULD COMMENT ON HOW
02:32:48THE SIZE OF THE TERRITORY, THE
02:32:56SIZE OF THE LANDMASS PLAYED INTO
02:32:59THE VICTORY OF THE AMERICAN
02:33:02REVOLUTION, I WOULD APPRECIATE HER COMMENTS ON THAT. HOST: THANK YOU, JOHNNY.
02:33:05GUEST: ABSOLUTELY.
02:33:09WASHINGTON ADOPTED A FABIAN STRATEGY AFTER THE ROMAN GENERAL.
02:33:12THIS DEPENDS ON IT BEING -- DEFENDING YOUR OWN TERRITORY.
02:33:15THE IDEA IS THAT IF LAND IS LARGE AND THERE IS SO MUCH
02:33:19SPACE, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR
02:33:22AN INVADING ARMY TO COME IN AND CONTROL THAT.
02:33:25WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN PLACES LIKE VIETNAM AND THE MIDDLE EAST.
02:33:28IT TAKES AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF TROOPS TO SUBDUE A MASSIVE TERRITORY.
02:33:32THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE WITH THE AMERICAN COLONIES AT THE TIME.
02:33:35THIS WAS WHAT WASHINGTON UNDERSTOOD, THERE WAS ALWAYS
02:33:38SPACE FOR HIM TO ESCAPE TO. THERE WAS AN ESCAPE VALVE.
02:33:42AND SO, HE USED THIS STRATEGY IN
02:33:45ORDER TO PRIORITIZE SURVIVAL,
02:33:47RECOGNIZING THE BRITISH WERE NOT
02:33:49GOING TO HAVE THE TROOPS TO SUBDUE THE ENTIRE COLONIAL SPACE.
02:33:52HOST: HOW DID THAT PLAY OUT IN
02:33:56BATTLES THAT FOLLOWED THE BATTLE OF BROOKLYN?
02:33:57GUEST: SOME OF THE OTHER DEFEATS
02:34:01THE AMERICANS SUFFERED WERE THE BATTLE AROUND PHILADELPHIA. AFTER THE VICTORY IN NEW YORK,
02:34:04THE BRITISH DECIDED THEY WOULD TRY TO FORCE CONGRESS OUT OF PHILADELPHIA.
02:34:09PHILADELPHIA WAS SORT OF SPIRITUALLY A VERY IMPORTANT
02:34:12CITY FOR THE AMERICAN COLONIES.
02:34:14SO, THEY SAILED DOWN AND MARCHED ON PHILADELPHIA.
02:34:18WASHINGTON DID PUT UP A DEFENSE. BUT, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT
02:34:21HALFHEARTED BECAUSE HE LEFT HIMSELF AN ESCAPE ROUTE,
02:34:25UNDERSTANDING THAT HE COULD GIVE UP PHILADELPHIA, CONGRESS COULD
02:34:29MOVE, IT WOULD BE FINE AND THEY WOULD SURVIVE ANOTHER DAY AND HE
02:34:32WOULD HAVE SPACE TO GO TO TRY AND REGROUP AND FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.
02:34:35HOST: YOU ARE WITH US WHEN WE
02:34:38MARKED THE 200 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF AMERICA, THE FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATIONS.
02:34:42WHAT DO YOU THINK OUR FOUNDERS WOULD SAY LOOKING AT AMERICA TODAY?
02:34:46AND THE FRONT PAGES OF OUR NEWSPAPER, SPECIFICALLY TODAY AS
02:34:50WE MARKED SIX MONTHS SINCE THE PRESIDENT STARTED THIS CONFLICT IN IRAN?
02:34:53GUEST: I THINK THERE WOULD BE THINGS THAT WOULD BE REALLY
02:34:57FAMILIAR TO THEM. THEY LIVED IN AN INTENSELY PARTISAN TIME.
02:35:00WHEN PEOPLE SAY THE FOUNDERS THOUGHT THAT, IT'S USUALLY A RED
02:35:03FLAG THAT WHATEVER ELSE IS
02:35:09COMING IS WRONG BECAUSE THE FOUNDERS DISAGREED ON
02:35:13EVERYTHING. TENSE PARTNERSHIP WOULD NOT FEEL THE UNFAMILIAR.
02:35:15ON THE OTHER HAND, I THINK THEY WOULD BE THRILLED THAT WE ARE
02:35:18STILL HERE BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY MUCH A QUESTION MARK.
02:35:22AND YET, THEY WOULD BE DISAPPOINTED THE THREE BRANCH
02:35:25SYSTEM THAT THEY SET UP SO CAREFULLY TO CHECK EACH OTHER IS REALLY NOT WORKING.
02:35:30CONGRESS IS NOT REALLY PRACTICING THE OVERSIGHT,
02:35:32INCLUDING OF THINGS LIKE WAR POWERS, THAT THE FOUNDERS ABSOLUTELY INTENDED FOR THEM TO DO.
02:35:41HOST: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TAKE AWAY IS FOR FOLKS? WHY SHOULD THEY READ THIS?
02:35:43GUEST: I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM
02:35:46THAT PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE
02:35:50WASHINGTON, WHO HAS STATUES AND
02:35:53MONUMENTS, IF YOU CAN MAKE AN EXTRA ORDINARY MISTAKE AND GO ON
02:35:56TO DO GREAT THINGS, WE CAN TOO.
02:35:57HOST: LINDSAY CHERVINSKY IS THE
02:36:01EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT GEORGE WASHINGTON'S PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY IN MOUNT VERNON AND THE
02:36:05AUTHOR OF THE BOOK "MAKING THE
02:36:10PRESIDENCY: JOHN ADAMS AND THE
02:36:13PRECEDENTS THAT FORGED THE REPUBLIC."
02:36:17LINDSAY CHERVINSKY, AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE THE HISTORY LESSON.
02:36:21THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GUEST: IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. HOST: WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A
02:36:25BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE ARE GOING TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE
02:36:29U.S. ECONOMY. START PILING IN NOW. WE WANT TO KNOW THE STATUS OF IT
02:36:32AS WE LEAD UP TO THE TOP OF THE
02:36:35HOUR, WHEN ALL EYES ARE ON KEVIN WARSH, THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
02:36:38AND WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS FIRST
02:36:39KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THE ECONOMIC
02:36:45SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE. WE WILL BE BACK. STAY WITH US.
02:36:50>> AMERICAN HISTORY TV,
02:36:55SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN TWO, EXPLORING THE PEOPLE AND EVENTS THAT TELL THE AMERICAN STORY.
02:36:59AT 1:30 P.M. EASTERN, WE WILL TAKE YOU ON A TOUR OF THE IOWA
02:37:02STATE FAIR FOR A LOOK AT THE ANNUAL CELEBRATION'S FAMOUS
02:37:06LANDMARKS, STORIES FROM THE FAIR'S PAST AND AN UP CLOSE
02:37:09ENCOUNTER WITH THE ICONIC BUTTER COW.
02:37:12LATER, THE HISTORICAL TOUR OF THE MARINE BARRACKS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., HOME OF THE
02:37:15PRESIDENT'S OWN U.S. MARINE BAND.
02:37:19YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE BANDS DRUM MAJOR AND SEE THE CONCERT
02:37:23OF THE MARINE CORPS AT 5:00 P.M. EASTERN.
02:37:26AT 7:30 P.M. EASTERN, AS PART OF
02:37:29OUR SERIES ON PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP, JOURNALISTS AND HISTORIANS REFLECT ON THE
02:37:32LEGACIES OF PRESIDENT WARREN
02:37:36HARDING, FIRST LADY FLORENCE HARDING, PRESIDENT WOODROW
02:37:38WILSON AND FIRST LADY EDITH WILSON.
02:37:41EXPLORING THE AMERICAN STORY,
02:37:43WATCH AMERICAN HISTORY TV, SATURDAYS ON C-SPAN TWO.
02:37:47OR, WATCH ONLINE ANY TIME AT C-SPAN.ORG/HISTORY.
02:37:53TODAY ON C-SPAN'S CEASE-FIRE, A BIPARTISAN DISCUSSION ON THE STATE OF POLITICS TODAY.
02:37:57THE FUTURE OF BOTH PARTIES AND
02:38:00THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS, FEATURING FORMER NEW HAMPSHIRE REPUBLICAN
02:38:03GOVERNOR CHRIS SUNUNU AND FORMER NEW YORK DEMOCRAT -- NORTH
02:38:07DAKOTA DEMOCRATIC
02:38:11SENATOR, HEIDI HEITKAMP. HOSTED BY DASHA BURNS.
02:38:13WATCH C-SPAN CEASE-FIRE, TODAY
02:38:16AT 7:00 P.M. AND 10:00 P.M. EASTERN AND PACIFIC, ONLY ON C-SPAN.
02:38:20>> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
02:38:23HOST: YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE U.S.
02:38:26ECONOMY AS WE GET TO THE TOP OF
02:38:27THE HOUR HERE ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL.
02:38:31WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE
02:38:33FOR YOU AND YOUR POCKETBOOK IN AMERICA TODAY.
02:38:38THAT, AS WE AWAIT A SPEECH BY KEVIN WARSH, WHO IS THE FEDERAL
02:38:42RESERVE CHAIR KEYNOTE ADDRESS,
02:38:46HIS FIRST AT THE JACKSON HOLE ECONOMIC POLICY SYMPOSIUM.
02:38:49WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LIVE COVERAGE OF THAT AT 10:00 A.M.
02:38:53EASTERN TIME, ON C-SPAN. C-SPAN NOW, OUR FREE VIDEO
02:38:56MOBILE APP AND ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG.
02:39:00THE HEADLINE THIS MORNING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, AS WALL
02:39:04STREET KEEPS A CLOSE EYE ON WHAT KEVIN WARSH HAS TO SAY.
02:39:08THE STOCK MARKET TODAY, STOCKS
02:39:11WAVER AS INVESTORS AWAIT WASH'S SPEECH.
02:39:14IF YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN, DIAL IN
02:39:15AT (202) 748-8000 --(202)
02:39:19748-8001.
02:39:21DEMOCRATS AT (202) 748-8000.
02:39:24AN INDEPENDENTS AT (202)
02:39:27748-8002. WE WILL TAKE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES,
02:39:32NAME, CITY AND STATE, AT (202) 748-8003.
02:39:36WHAT'S YOUR OUTLOOK ON THE U.S. ECONOMY?
02:39:37THIS WEEK ON CEASE-FIRE, WE ARE
02:39:40TALKING ABOUT ALL THINGS ECONOMY
02:39:44AS WELL AS THE IRAN WAR AND POLITICS.
02:39:47TONIGHT'S EDITION OF CEASE-FIRE,
02:39:50REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AARON MCGUIRE AND DEMOCRATIC
02:39:53STRATEGIST KURT BY DELLA DISCUSS
02:39:56THE PRESIDENT'S TRADE WAR WITH CANADA.
02:39:58HOST: WHO IS THE HEADLINE --
02:40:03HERE IS THE HEADLINE, CANADA HAS
02:40:06ONE IMPORTANT EDGE IN THE NORTH AMERICAN TRADE WAR. IT'S NOT CLEAR HOW LONG CANADIAN
02:40:10GOVERNMENT CAN SUPPORT SMALL AND MEDIUM-SIZED BUSINESSES IN A PROLONGED TARIFFED TIT FOR TAT.
02:40:15CANADIANS ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THOSE IMPACTS IN ORDER TO STAND
02:40:18UP TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE IN THE
02:40:22UNITED STATES. WHERE EVEN MANY IN THE
02:40:24PRESIDENT'S OWN PARTY OPPOSED
02:40:28TRUMP'S TRADE AGENDA, PARTICULARLY HIS TARIFFS ON CANADA.
02:40:30>> I WILL SAY THIS. GOOD FOR THE CANADIAN PEOPLE.
02:40:34I'M GLAD YOU DECIDED TO STAND TOGETHER AND DO SOMETHING BIG.
02:40:37I WILL ALSO SAY TO THE CANADIAN PEOPLE, IT'S EASY TO SAY THAT
02:40:41UNTIL YOU'RE LIVING THE REPERCUSSIONS AND THE GOVERNMENT
02:40:43THEMSELVES ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN LONG-TERM
02:40:47SMALLER AND MEDIUM-SIZED BUSINESSES. IT SOUNDS GOOD ON THE FRONT END.
02:40:50THE REALITY IS THEY WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE DECIMATED IN THIS FIGHT.
02:40:53FOR THEM TO SAY THAT, AND THE UNITED STATES, WE HAVE BEEN
02:40:56LIVING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE.
02:40:59SOME REPUBLICANS VERY STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT ON TARIFFS BUT DONALD TRUMP IS
02:41:03TRIED AND TRUE. THE MAN HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT TARIFFS AS A MEANS FOR
02:41:07NEGOTIATION AND A MEANS FOR TRADE SINCE THE 1980'S.
02:41:10THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE FOR ANYBODY. I KNOW REPUBLICANS HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WITH IT.
02:41:15BUT THE CANADIANS CAN SOUND ALL
02:41:18--, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ECONOMIC POWER OR GEOPOLITICAL POWER OR
02:41:22STRENGTH TO SEE THIS OUT FOR THE NEXT 2.5 YEARS.
02:41:25>> IS GOING TO BACKFIRE ON THE
02:41:28REPUBLICAN PARTY. THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO CAME TO
02:41:32OFFICE PROMISING PROSPERITY WE
02:41:36HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
02:41:37HE PROMISED -- AND WE ARE NOT
02:41:42GETTING ANY OF THOSE RETURNS. HE CAN GO OUT THERE AND SAY WE
02:41:46ARE NEGOTIATING TO DO THIS, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THINGS GREAT AND BETTER.
02:41:49BUT NOBODY HAS SEEN THE TANGIBLE PROGRESS IN THEIR POCKETBOOK SO
02:41:53HE HAS NO CREDIBILITY HERE AT HOME. IF ANYTHING, THAT HURTS
02:41:57REPUBLICAN CHANCES TO HOLD ONTO POWER. WE TALK ABOUT THE LONG-TERM
02:42:00ABILITY OF THE PRESIDENT TO BE IMPACTFUL AND MAKE THESE DEALS.
02:42:04IF HE LOSES CONGRESS, HE'S EVEN WEAKER. HOW DOES THAT PLAY OUT?
02:42:07HOST: TUNE IN FOR OUR
02:42:12CONVERSATION TONIGHT AT 7:00 P.M. AND 10:00 P.M. EASTERN TIME.
02:42:15YOUR VIEW ON THE U.S. ECONOMY AS
02:42:18WE AWAIT FED CHAIR KEVIN WARSH'S
02:42:23REMARKS AT THE ECONOMIC
02:42:25SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING.
02:42:28CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
02:42:32I'M HERE IN KANSAS AND I'M 66
02:42:36YEARS OLD. I GET $2900 IN SOCIAL SECURITY AND RETIREMENT.
02:42:40BY THE TIME I HAVE EVERYTHING PAID, I HAVE $600 FOR THE LAST
02:42:44WEEK OF THE MONTH TO GET FOOD AND GAS.
02:42:48AND THEN ON THE -- WHEN I HAVE
02:42:55TO PAY FOR MY INSURANCE, MY SUBLIMINAL, THAT'S $500 FOR A THREE-MONTH PERIOD OF TIME.
02:43:00WHEN THAT COMES DUE, THAT'S AN
02:43:04EVEN HARDER TIME FOR ME.
02:43:10ALL THAT BEING SAID, I'M NOT MAD. I'M NOT MAD AT MY COUNTRY OR MY GOVERNMENT.
02:43:14IT'S JUST HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW. THAT'S HOW YOU STRUGGLE ALONG
02:43:17WITH $600 A MONTH IF YOU ARE IN THE MIDWEST.
02:43:19HOST: BARBER IN GEORGIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
02:43:23WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU?
02:43:24CALLER: OH, IT'S TERRIBLE.
02:43:28I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME TOO. BUT I DON'T GET NO $2000.
02:43:32I LIVE IN GEORGIA. THINGS ARE HIGH HERE TOO.
02:43:36GAS, FOOD.
02:43:40I THINK IT WAS BETTER WHEN BIDEN WAS IN THERE THAN IT WAS WHEN TRUMP'S IN THERE.
02:43:46THE TARIFFS HAVE KILLED PEOPLE
02:43:51IF YOU LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME.
02:43:54I HAD TO TAKE MY CAR IN AND GET IT FIXED AND IT WAS $2000.
02:43:58IMAGINE PAYING THAT.
02:44:07I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. HOST: RICK IN MISSOURI,
02:44:11INDEPENDENT. RICK, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY? CALLER: POUR.
02:44:15AND I DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM THE
02:44:17GOVERNMENT TRYING TO HELP.
02:44:23I'M 78.
02:44:23AND HAVING SOCIAL SECURITY AS MY
02:44:29MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME, WITHOUT
02:44:34THAT, I WOULD BE IN THE POORHOUSE LIKE IN THE OLD DAYS.
02:44:37THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME THAT I
02:44:41SEE IS TRANSLATION.
02:44:47WHERE PRODUCTS ARE THE SAME
02:44:49PRICE BUT THEY ARE SHRINKING THE
02:44:54QUANTITY OF THE PRODUCT.
02:44:57THANK YOU FOR YOUR LISTENING TO ME.
02:44:59HOST: BEFORE YOU GO, YOU SAID
02:45:01YOU DON'T SEE ANYBODY IN THE GOVERNMENT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
02:45:04DO YOU THINK THERE IS A ROLE
02:45:06HERE FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR, KEVIN WARSH?
02:45:10SHOULD HE INDICATE TODAY IN JACKSON HOLE WHICH DIRECTION HE WANTS TO TAKE THIS ECONOMY?
02:45:13CALLER: I WISH HE WOULD.
02:45:17BUT THE PROBLEM THAT I SEE IN
02:45:18THIS PRESIDENT AND
02:45:21ADMINISTRATION IS IF HE COMES
02:45:24OUT AND GIVES US A PLAN,
02:45:31PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL STOP ALL OVER IT LIKE HE DID THE LAST GUY.
02:45:34AND THE OTHER THING I WILL SAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT IS HIS
02:45:38MANAGEMENT STYLE IS TO PUT ONE
02:45:43SECRETARY AGAINST THE OTHER.
02:45:44HOST: RICK, I WANT TO PICK UP ON
02:45:48THAT POINT. THAT WAS A GREAT SEGUE TO THIS PIECE IN THE WALL STREET JOURNAL.
02:45:52SCOTT BESSENT, THE TREASURY SECRETARY, TESTS BOUNDARIES WITH
02:45:56THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR.
02:46:01FROM THEIR REPORTING, FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR KEVIN WARSH TAKES THE STAGE FRIDAY WITH AN UNUSUAL
02:46:05PRESENCE LOOMING OVER HIM. A TREASURY SECRETARY STEPPING
02:46:08CLOSE TO TERRAIN LONG TREATED AS
02:46:12THE FEDS. THE OVERLAP FIGURES AMONG THE
02:46:17MOST -- SUBJECTS CENTRAL BANKERS
02:46:22DISCUSSED. IT RISKS BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN CENTRAL BANK AND THE ADMINISTRATION.
02:46:26THE FED SETS POLICY TO MANAGE
02:46:29INFLATION AND EMPLOYMENT, NOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO FUND ITSELF.
02:46:33THE TREASURY SECRETARY, SCOTT BESSENT, SURPRISED MARKETS LAST
02:46:36WEEK BY ANNOUNCING THE TREASURY
02:46:40WOULD DOUBLE THE GOVERNMENT'S BUYBACKS OF LONG-TERM DEBT.
02:46:43HIS GOAL WAS TO PUSH DOWN YIELDS
02:46:45THAT HAVE HIT 19 YEAR HIGHS.
02:46:47THAT PROCESS COULD LOOSEN FINANCIAL CONDITIONS AT THE VERY MOMENT.
02:46:51THE FED MAY WANT TO TIGHTEN THEM.
02:46:54THIS COMES AS THE CENTRAL BANK IS WEIGHING A GREAT DEAL.
02:46:57IT'S DEBATING WHETHER INTEREST RATES ARE TOO LOW WITH INFLATION
02:47:01ABOVE TARGET AND WASH IS REMAKING HOW IT COMMUNICATES WITH MARKETS.
02:47:06REPORTING FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL THIS MORNING.
02:47:10AND IN -- ANNE IN YORK,
02:47:17PENNSYLVANIA, DEMOCRATIC CALLER. CALLER: I'M PESSIMISTIC ABOUT
02:47:21THE FUTURE OF THE U.S. ECONOMY.
02:47:24IRAN CONTROLS THE OIL PRICES READ EVERYTHING FLOWS FROM THAT.
02:47:27EVERY TIME I GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, AN ITEM THAT MAY HAVE
02:47:33BEEN $599 IS $699.
02:47:35WHEN IS IT ALL GOING TO END?
02:47:38I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS TOTALLY MISMANAGED THIS ECONOMY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
02:47:42EXPRESS MY VIEW. HOST: ALL RIGHT.
02:47:46DONALD IN ALABAMA, REPUBLICAN. GO AHEAD.
02:47:48CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:47:52THIS IS MY FIRST TIME EVER CALLING. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE ECONOMY AT ALL.
02:47:57I WILL BE 68 YEARS OLD NEXT MONTH.
02:48:00I STARTED WORKING FOR ABOUT A DOLLAR AND A QUARTER AN HOUR AND
02:48:03GAS WAS $.32 A GALLON.
02:48:08I'M DOING GREAT. I HAVE MANAGED MY MONEY.
02:48:12I HAVE INVESTED, I HAVE WORKED. THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOUNG
02:48:17PEOPLE AROUND ME IS GET UP AND GO TO WORK. GET OUT THERE AND GET ACTIVE.
02:48:20FIND A WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY.
02:48:24AMERICA'S NEVER SAT BACK AND WHINED ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS.
02:48:27I THINK OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM IS
02:48:31THE COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS. BUT, AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEMS.
02:48:36THINGS HAVE ALWAYS GONE UP.
02:48:39I LIVE OUTSIDE OF A ROCKET CENTER IN ALABAMA.
02:48:42THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE BUT THAT'S WHERE YOU MAKE THE MOST MONEY.
02:48:46I WOULD ADVISE ANYBODY YELLING
02:48:47TO QUIT WHINING AROUND LIKE SOME
02:48:51COMMUNIST AND GET UP AND GET AFTER IT.
02:48:52HOST: ALL RIGHT, JOHN.
02:48:57THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING AND THOSE KIND WORDS.
02:49:00WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE ARE A LITTLE OVER 10 MINUTES
02:49:03AWAY FROM HEARING FROM KEVIN WARSH, THE NEWLY APPOINTED
02:49:07FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR. AND EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH FOR
02:49:11HIS SPEECH TODAY.
02:49:13CRITICS SAY HE HAS NOT DONE
02:49:16ENOUGH ON SHEDDING LIGHT ON WHERE HE STANDS ON THE ECONOMY.
02:49:20WILL HE DO THAT TODAY?
02:49:23AND MARKETS ARE ALREADY RESPONDING THIS MORNING.
02:49:27SCOTT IN KANSAS, DEMOCRATIC CALLER. HI, SCOTT.
02:49:30HOST: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. --
02:49:33CALLER: GOOD MORNING, GRETA. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:49:41I HAVE SAVED MONEY AND WORK.
02:49:43BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED FOR MY CHILDREN. KANSAS CITY IS DUE TO BE HIT
02:49:48WITH $4 BILLION OUT OF THE METRO
02:49:52AREA. 37% OF THEIR BUSINESS GOES TO CANADA.
02:49:56AND I REALLY DO THINK THE DEBT IS CRAZY.
02:50:02THE WAY WE TAX, THERE'S NOT
02:50:06ENOUGH REVENUE COMING IN.
02:50:08AND MONEY MAKES MONEY. AND THAT'S NOT LABOR.
02:50:12I WORK LABOR, THAT MEANS WHAT I DID WITH MY BODY EARNED MY MONEY.
02:50:16BUT NOW THAT I AM RETIRED AND HAVE SAVINGS, MY MONEY IS MAKING
02:50:20MONEY. THAT'S NOT THE SAME AS LABOR.
02:50:24IT'S THE FRUITS OF LABOR BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME.
02:50:28AND WE ARE $4 TRILLION IN DEBT.
02:50:33AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A HUGE AMOUNT OF OUR BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
02:50:38IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THE PENTAGON CHARGES. PEOPLE LIKE ME ON SOCIAL
02:50:43SECURITY, IT IS A CONCERN.
02:50:46AND I DON'T SEE ANY GOOD ACTION
02:50:50COMING FROM THIS LEGISLATIVE CONGRESS. THEY ARE JUST RUBBERSTAMPING BAD
02:50:55DECISIONS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:50:57HOST: SCOTT IS A DEMOCRAT IN KANSAS.
02:51:01THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE WILL TAKE MORE AS WE APPROACH
02:51:04THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
02:51:08CNBC, FED CHAIR KEVIN WARSH DELIVERS HIS KEY JACKSON HOLE SPEECH TODAY. HERE'S WHAT TO EXPECT.
02:51:13THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR
02:51:15DELIVERS THE KEYNOTE SPEECH AT THE JACKSON HOLE WYOMING
02:51:19SYMPOSIUM. PRIOR LEADERS HAVE USED THE EVENT TO DISCUSS BROAD POLICY
02:51:23INITIATIVES BUT THERE IS CONSIDERABLE UNCERTAINTY OVER HOW AMBITIOUS WASH WILL BE IN
02:51:27HIS REMARKS.
02:51:30MARKETS WILL BE LOOKING FOR WARS TO LAY OUT CONDITIONS UNDER
02:51:33WHICH THE FED WOULD ADJUST INTEREST RATES.
02:51:37A LOT OF CRITICISM FOR NOT
02:51:39RAISING INTEREST RATES BACK IN JULY.
02:51:42CNBC GOES ON TO REPORT IN THEIR
02:51:43PIECE TODAY THAT AMONG THEIR
02:51:48TASKS ARE AN ASSESSMENT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD.
02:51:51AN ASSESSMENT OF HOW POLICYMAKERS VIEW INFLATION, THE
02:51:55BALANCE SHEET, DATA POINTS THAT INFLUENCE DECISIONS AND
02:51:58TECHNOLOGY RELATED ISSUES AND COMMUNICATIONS.
02:52:01WASH HAS TAKEN A UNIQUE APPROACH COMPARED TO HIS RECENT PREDECESSORS.
02:52:05RATHER THAN SEEKING TO STEER REACTION THROUGH CAREFULLY
02:52:08PLACED SIGNALS, HE HAS PREFERRED A MORE HANDS-OFF APPROACH THAT
02:52:12LETS MARKETS INTERPRET DATA AND SEND SIGNALS TO THE FED.
02:52:14IT IS A STRATEGY THAT HAS BEEN MET WITH MIXED REVIEWS SO FAR
02:52:18AND COULD GENERATE ADVERSE REACTION.
02:52:21LOOKING FOR MORE REACTION, HERE IS A QUOTE. I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME MORE
02:52:25DETAIL ON HOW HE PERSONALLY THINKS INFLATION HAPPENS OR HOW
02:52:29HE PERSONALLY THINKS MONETARY POLICY AFFECTS INFLATION.
02:52:32EITHER IN TIMING OR THROUGH WHICH CHANNELS. WILL HE SAY THAT TODAY?
02:52:38KEEP YOUR CHANNEL RIGHT HERE ON C-SPAN AS WE WILL TAKE LIVE THE
02:52:43FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR, KEVIN
02:52:45WARSH, AND HIS FIRST KEYNOTE ADDRESS AT THIS ECONOMIC
02:52:49SYMPOSIUM IN JACKSON HOLE, WYOMING, COMING UP AT THE TOP OF THE HOUR.
02:52:54JANET, WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU? CALLER: HI, GOOD MORNING.
02:52:57HOST: GOOD MORNING.
02:52:59CALLER: I'M A FIRST-TIME CALLER
02:53:02AND I'M 90 YEARS OLD. I HAVE BEEN RETIRED FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
02:53:09I STILL VOLUNTEER. I WAS A WIDOW. I RAISED FIVE KIDS. I HAVE SAVINGS.
02:53:19I AM DOING JUST FINE.
02:53:25I AM ABLE TO SAVE MONEY EVERY MONTH.
02:53:30HOST: SO JANET, THE ECONOMY IS OK FOR YOU?
02:53:34CALLER: YEAH, WELL, MY KIDS ARE
02:53:39PAYING REALLY LOW INTEREST RATES. I PAID 8.5% WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOUSE.
02:53:44HOST: I WILL LEAVE IT THERE, JANET.
02:53:49STEVE IN PENNSYLVANIA, INDEPENDENT. CALLER: HI.
02:53:58I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NATIONAL DEBT. THAT IS $40 TRILLION RIGHT NOW.
02:54:01IN THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS, IT'S GOING TO GO TO OVER 50 BECAUSE
02:54:04OF THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.
02:54:07AND ALSO, I SAW ON THE NEWS THAT
02:54:09THE INTEREST RATES ON THAT $40
02:54:13BILLION, $1.2 TRILLION, IT'S OUTLANDISH.
02:54:19BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES WANT TO KICK THE THING DOWN THE CAN.
02:54:23THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE
02:54:29THE PROBLEM. YOU DO NOT SPEND MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE.
02:54:32I KNOW MY WIFE AND I ARE ROUGHLY 80 YEARS OF AGE.
02:54:36RIGHT NOW, WE ARE FINE. WE ARE OK.
02:54:40I BALANCE OUR CHECK BOOKS AND STUFF EVERY WEEK AND CHECK EVERYTHING OUT.
02:54:43IT'S NOT HOW MUCH YOU MAKE. YOU HAVE TO CONTROL THE MONEY.
02:54:47THE MONEY CAN'T CONTROL YOU. IF YOU DO THAT, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE.
02:54:53I THINK IN THE NEXT SEVEN OR SO YEARS, THE ECONOMY IS GOING TO
02:54:56CRASH BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WANT TO CONTROL THE MONEY.
02:54:59THEY KEEP TAXING THE PEOPLE.
02:55:03IT'S ALL THE POLITICIANS FAULT.
02:55:04HOST: STEVE, ARE YOU GOING TO BE
02:55:08LISTENING TO SEE WHAT KEVIN WARSH SAYS ABOUT OUR NATION'S DEBT TODAY?
02:55:11SHOULD HE ADDRESS IT? CALLER: PARTS OF IT.
02:55:15BUT THE NATIONAL DEBT, IF THEY DON'T CONTROL IT NOW, WITHIN SIX
02:55:19YEARS, THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO CRASH.
02:55:20HOST: STAY TUNED, STEVE.
02:55:23WE ARE MOMENTS AWAY FROM KEVIN
02:55:25WARSH IN JACKSON HOLE,
02:55:29WYOMING, AT A KEY ECONOMIC SYMPOSIUM THAT IS HELD EVERY YEAR.
02:55:32WE HEARD FROM CENTRAL BANKERS THERE AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON THE ECONOMY.
02:55:36WE WILL BRING YOU LIVE COVERAGE HERE ON C-SPAN OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE CHAIR.
02:55:41RICHARD IN VERONA, MISSOURI, DEMOCRATIC CALLER.
02:55:43CALLER: YEAH. I AM 88 YEARS OLD.
02:55:50I'VE BEEN SAVING MY MONEY AND PUTTING IT IN THE BANK.
02:55:53THE BANKS, THEY DON'T PAY ANY INTEREST AT ALL.
02:55:56YOU GAMBLE IN THE STOCK MARKET. THAT'S FINE IF YOU HAVE MONEY
02:56:00YOU WANT TO THROW AWAY.
02:56:04BUT THE NATIONAL DEBT, WE WORRY
02:56:07ABOUT IT.
02:56:10A GOOD BUSINESSMAN, HE GOES BANKRUPT.
02:56:13THAT'S WHAT OUR PRESIDENT DID WHEN WE GOT THAT FAR IN DEBT.
02:56:22THE FDIC, AS LONG AS THEY TAKE
02:56:25CARE OF THE BANKS, I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY BE ALL RIGHT.
02:56:28ONE OF THE THING RIGHT -- ONE
02:56:31OTHER THING RIGHT QUICK, AFTER THIS ELECTION, YOU WILL SEE
02:56:35GROUND TROOPS GO INTO IRAN.
02:56:36THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT BEFORE
02:56:40THE ELECTION BUT AFTER THAT, THEY MIGHT USE THEM. HOST: ALL RIGHT, RICHARD.
02:56:45WE WILL GO TO PAUL IN LOUISIANA,
02:56:50REPUBLICAN NECK STREET HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY? CALLER: FOUR.
02:56:55HOST: WHY?
02:56:58CALLER: THE COST OF FOOD AND
02:57:01ENERGY HAS GONE UP TREMENDOUSLY.
02:57:05PEOPLE -- IT PREVENTS PEOPLE
02:57:10FROM TRYING TO DEVELOP SAVINGS, TRYING TO GET AHEAD IN LIFE.
02:57:16AND MR. TRUMP FROM DAY ONE SAID
02:57:20HE WAS GOING TO WORK ON TRYING
02:57:23TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS
02:57:27FOR FOOD AND ENERGY. AND HE HAS NOT DONE THAT AT ALL.
02:57:30I AM A REPUBLICAN FOR 59 YEARS.
02:57:36AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
02:57:39THIS MAN DISMANTLE OUR
02:57:45GOVERNMENT, OUR COUNTRY FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GOALS.
02:57:50AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING TO SEE
02:57:54HOW HE IS TEASING THINGS LIKE
02:57:57INSTEAD OF LAKE ONTARIO, HE WANTS TO NAME IT LAKE AMERICA
02:58:01AND THE GULF OF AMERICA, INSTEAD OF THE GULF OF MEXICO.
02:58:05INSTEAD OF DOING THESE THINGS, HE SHOULD BE MAKING AN EFFORT TO
02:58:08TRY TO STOP OR THROW DOWN THIS
02:58:13ECONOMY THAT IS SUFFERING.
02:58:15HOST: ALL RIGHT, PAUL.
02:58:19THE PRESIDENT IN THE OVAL OFFICE, SIGNING A DIRECTIVE THAT
02:58:22WOULD CHANGE THE NAME FROM LAKE ONTARIO TO LAKE AMERICA.
02:58:25IF YOU MISSED IT, GO TO OUR WEBSITE, C-SPAN.ORG.
02:58:29YOU CAN HEAR THE PRESIDENT THERE . AND THE TIT FOR TAT CONTINUED.
02:58:34IT'S BEEN HAPPENING ALL WEEK
02:58:36BETWEEN WASHINGTON AND CANADA
02:58:41WITH RETALIATORY TARIFFS SET BY CANADIANS IN RESPONSE TO THE
02:58:43TARIFFS PUT IN PLACE BY PRESIDENT TRUMP.
02:58:45ALL OF THAT WILL HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER. AND LATER IN THE YEAR.
02:58:49TENSIONS ESCALATED.
02:58:52GO TO C-SPAN.ORG TO SEE OUR COVERAGE FROM CANADA AND
02:58:57WASHINGTON ON THIS U.S.-CANADA TRADE WAR.
02:59:01DAVID, INDEPENDENT, WHAT'S THE ECONOMY LIKE FOR YOU?
02:59:04CALLER: I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S
02:59:08TERRIBLE BUT I AM BEGINNING TO FEEL IT. THE PRICE OF DIESEL HAS GONE UP
02:59:12INCREDIBLY. GASOLINE ALSO, GROCERIES.
02:59:15I AM FORTUNATE IN THE SENSE THAT I CAN STILL SHOP AT THE
02:59:21COMMISSARY AND I DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES ON MY GROCERIES THERE.
02:59:24BUT I'M DISAPPOINTED IN THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS BOTH PARTIES.
02:59:28I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE DISASSEMBLING OUR GOVERNMENT.
02:59:37IT NO LONGER WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE, IT WORKS FOR THE WEALTHY.
02:59:40I SAW THAT HAKEEM JEFFRIES WAS
02:59:44MEETING WITH DONALD TRUMP'S SON-IN-LAW AND I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THEY KIND OF
02:59:48SCHEME TO MAKE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
02:59:51HOST: HAKEEM JEFFRIES, THE
02:59:54DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE HOUSE FROM NEW YORK. PAUL IN BOSTON, INDEPENDENT.
02:59:58PAUL, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE ECONOMY?
03:00:01CALLER: I WOULD SAY THE ECONOMY
03:00:05FOR A THEY'RE DISASSEMBLING OUR
03:00:12GOVERNMENT AND IT'S NOT GUILTY
03:00:14WORKING POUR THE PEOPLE IWORKS
03:00:18FOR THE WEALTHY.
03:00:22AND I SAW RECENTLY JOAQUIN JEFFERSON WAS MEETING WITH
03:00:26DONALD TRUMP'S SON IN HE WAS AND I THINK IT'S AN EXAMPLE HOW THEY
03:00:29KIND OF SCHEME TO MAKE MONEY FOR
03:00:33THEMSELVES AND THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE. >> HAKEEM JEFFERSON THE
03:00:36DEMOCRATIC LEADER IN THE HOUSE FROM NEW YORK.
03:00:38PAUL IN BOSTON AN INDEPENDENT. PAUL.
03:00:41HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE
03:00:46CHEMISTRY? >> I WOULD SAY THE CAMPI FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY IS A 7.
03:00:48THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE
03:00:54EXPENSIVE BUT I THINK THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF
03:00:57CANADA BEING A NATIONAL BANKER