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00:00:54HOST: WELCO BACK THISHI BY
00:00:58SATUAY MORNG. WE A GOINGOA A BIT RTHERNTO THU.S. AND
00:01:02NANADA'TRADE R. ARE JNED BY F GUE
00:01:06RLO DA. 'S THE RECTORF
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00:01:55NOT JUST ON THE RIGHT OF THE
00:01:59U.S., BUT POTENTIALLY ALSO ON THE LEFT, THE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT.
00:02:04WE ARE STEPPING BACK AND LOOK AND LOOKING BEYOND THE TRADE
00:02:07RELATIONSHIP FOR THE THINGS THAT BUILD TIES BETWEEN US AND ALLOW
00:02:10US TO PROSPER TOGETHER ON THE NORTH AMERICAN CONTINENT.
00:02:13HOST: WE'VE HAD A GOOD AMOUNT OF
00:02:16CALLERS OFFERING THEIR TAKES AND WHETHER OR NOT THIS TRADE DISPUTE MAKE SENSE FROM THE
00:02:20AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE. ON THE CANADIAN SIDE OF THINGS
00:02:23ARE YOU SURPRISED IT HAS GOTTEN TO THIS POINT?
00:02:26GUEST: THE CANADIAN PERSPECTIVE,
00:02:30YES. STEPPING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE, WHICH
00:02:34IS WHY WE HAVE DONE AT THE INITIATIVE, NOT AT ALL.
00:02:37THE U.S. HAS DONE WITH 21, 22
00:02:40OTHER COUNTRIES BEFORE US, RANGING FROM ARGENTINA ALL THE
00:02:44WAY DOWN TO THE U.K., JAPAN,
00:02:48KOREA WHICH HAD A FEW TRADE AGREEMENTS WITH CANADA HAS GONE
00:02:51THROUGH A SIMILAR PROCESS AS THE
00:02:54U.S. REWRITES GLOBAL TRADE RULES. IN ONE SENSE LOOKING AT THE
00:02:58EVIDENCE WE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SURPRISED. GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THE
00:03:02RELATIONSHIP, THE CLOSENESS, HOW DEEPLY INTERTWINED WE ARE, THERE
00:03:05IS SOME SURPRISE THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO A COUNTRY SO CLOSE TO
00:03:09THE U.S. AND SUCH AN IMPORTANT
00:03:13TRADE PARTNER FOR SO MANY STATES. HOST: YOU WROTE A PIECE IN THE
00:03:16PUBLICATION THAT SAYS WHY AMERICANS MAY NEVER FEEL THE
00:03:19TRADE WAR, OTTOWA'S BEDDING TERRACE WILL ANGER U.S.
00:03:24CONSUMERS, -- OTTAWA IS BETTING
00:03:27THE TARIFFS WILL ANGER U.S. CONSUMERS.
00:03:29GUEST: THAT APPLY SPECIFICALLY
00:03:33TO CANADIAN TARIFFS. I MENTIONED THAT TARIFFS ON
00:03:37CHINA DO IT CONSUMERS. CHINA PRODUCES FINISHED GOODS.
00:03:40THE COSTS OF THOSE GOODS MORE
00:03:46QUICKLY AND HEAVILY SHOWS UP FOR CONSUMERS. IF YOU'RE BUYING A RADIO OR
00:03:50COMPUTER FROM CHINA, IT IS A FINISHED PRODUCT.
00:03:53WITH CANADA IT IS WEAK, OIL,
00:03:57POTASH.
00:03:59POTASH PRODUCES CROPS THAT EVENTUALLY MAKE THEIR WAY TO YOU.
00:04:03YOU DON'T SEE THE COST THAT IS HEAVILY FROM CANADA.
00:04:08OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE GRASSROOTS.
00:04:11WE HAVE DONE A DEEP, DEEP DIVE
00:04:14OF STARTING IN COLORADO WITH
00:04:17SURVEYS, IDEATION WORK, AND WE WERE IN DENVER TWO WEEKS AGO
00:04:21INTERVIEWING COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS, BUSINESS LEADERS.
00:04:26THIS IS NOT THE TYPICAL WAY THE WORK IS DONE FROM THE TOP DOWN.
00:04:30WE ARE STARTING FROM THE BOTTOM, AT THE GRASSROOTS AND LOOKING
00:04:34FOR REAL IMPACTS ON PEOPLE.
00:04:37WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A BIT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU NORMALLY
00:04:40HEAR INSIDE THE ELITE POLICY
00:04:42GENERATION CIRCLES INSIDE OF WASHINGTON, D.C.
00:04:45HOST: THAT'S AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.
00:04:49WE ARE SPEAKING WITH CARLO DADE FROM THE NEW NORTH AMERICA
00:04:53INITIATIVE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACTS
00:04:57OF THIS NEW TRADE WAR BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CANADA.
00:04:59IF YOU WANT TO CALL AND ASK HIM A QUESTION OR SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS, WE WELCOME IT.
00:05:03WE WILL PUT THE PHONE LINES UP ON THE SCREEN.
00:05:07CARLO, I NOTICED THIS STORY FROM
00:05:10A LOCAL PAPER IN MAINE, ONE OF THE BORDER STATES.
00:05:15THE OUTGOING DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN JARED GOLDEN ARGUABLY ONE OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRATS IN
00:05:20CONGRESS, SPOKE TO HIS LOCAL PAPER AND SAID IT WILL NOT GO WELL FOR THEM.
00:05:24JARED GOLDEN STICKS WITH TRUMP
00:05:28ON THE TERRIFIED. HE'S REPEATEDLY BACKED ACTIONS
00:05:32THAT IT ONCE AGAIN PUTTING U.S.-CANADA RELATIONS TO THE TEST.
00:05:36HE ESSENTIALLY SAID SPEAKING TO HIS CANADIAN NEIGHBORS THIS IS
00:05:40NOT GOING TO GO WELL FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU RELY ON US MORE THAN WE RELY ON YOU.
00:05:43WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT?
00:05:46GUEST: IN THE MOST OBVIOUS
00:05:50SENSE, NOT ANY NUANCE OR DEPTH,
00:05:54THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THE SIZE OF THE ECONOMIES. EVERYONE CAN SEE THAT.
00:05:59POPULATION, MILITARY POWER, ETC.
00:06:02BUT IN TERMS OF THE DEEPER
00:06:05INTEGRATION IT IS NOT JUST TRADE.
00:06:09YOU RELY ON HELP FROM CANADA FOR ISSUES SUCH AS FOREST FIRE
00:06:13MANAGEMENT.
00:06:17OUT WEST WE FIGHT FIRES
00:06:21TOGETHER. WE JUST LOST A CANADIAN WHO GAVE
00:06:24HIS LIFE FIGHTING THE FIRES IN COLORADO.
00:06:28ON THE ISSUES THAT MATTER MOST
00:06:30DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE AND IMPACT THEIR LIVES, THERE ARE IMPACTS
00:06:34FROM CANADA. WE ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP YOU WITH
00:06:37SOME OF THE ISSUES WE FACE.
00:06:39LONG-TERM DROUGHT, DEALING WITH
00:06:42MANAGEMENT OF THE ENVIRONMENT IN
00:06:43THE WEST, AGRICULTURAL TRADE,
00:06:48PROTECTING THE AGRICULTURAL INTEGRITY OF BEEF, LIVESTOCK IN
00:06:52NORTH AMERICA. WE ARE A CRITICAL PARTNER. POTASH.
00:06:56YOU CAN'T NOT GROW CROPS IN THE U.S. WITHOUT POTASH.
00:07:00WE IMPORT 80% OF IT AND ANOTHER
00:07:0480% OF THAT COMES FROM CANADA.
00:07:07THERE ARE WAYS THAT ARE MORE
00:07:09SUBTLE THAN THE BLUNT TOOL
00:07:13STATEMENT. IN THE END NO ONE WINS FROM THIS.
00:07:17NO ONE BENEFITS.
00:07:19IT IS GREAT FOR BLUSTER BUT THE
00:07:23LONGER DAY IN, DAY OUT REALITY AND I THINK AMERICANS KNOW THIS,
00:07:26THE REALITY IS WE NEED A FRIEND
00:07:30ON THE NORTHERN BORDER, NOT AN ADVERSARY. WE HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE
00:07:35RELATIONSHIP. UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE THROWING THAT AWAY.
00:07:38HOST: WE HAVE A COLOR FROM
00:07:43VANCOUVER CALLING IN. RODERICK. YOU ARE ON WITH OUR GUESTS.
00:07:47WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? CALLER: THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING
00:07:51ME TO SPEAK.
00:07:54DIRECTED TO YOUR GUEST, YOUR
00:07:59WORK RELATED TO TRADE BETWEEN CANADA AND UNITED STATES, I'M
00:08:04SURE YOU ARE AWARE IT IS DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE GLOBAL ENVIRONMENT.
00:08:09I AM WONDERING WHETHER YOU WOULD
00:08:12AGREE THAT CANADA HAS A ROLE TO
00:08:16PLAY IN PUSHING BACK AGAINST
00:08:21ROGUE MISCONDUCT BY THE UNITED STATES. FOR EXAMPLE, THE BLOCKADING OF
00:08:26OIL GOING INTO CUBA, THE
00:08:30KIDNAPPING FROM VENEZUELA, KILLING 200 PEOPLE IN THAT OPERATION.
00:08:35THE S TRADITIONAL MURDERING OF
00:08:37PEOPLE IN BOTH -- EXTRAJUDICIAL
00:08:40MURDERING OF THE CARIBBEAN.
00:08:45. TOO MANY TO NAME.
00:08:48ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS
00:08:50RECENTLY IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF A WAR AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL
00:08:53CRIMINAL COURT AND THE
00:08:57ESTABLISHMENT OF SANCTIONS AGAINST ITS CHIEF JUDGE.
00:09:02A CANADIAN JUDGE. KIMBERLY FROST, A JUDGE IN THE
00:09:06INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT WAS SANCTIONED BY THE UNITED STATES A YEAR AGO.
00:09:10CANADA REMAINED SILENT AND HAS NOT PUSHED BACK ONE BIT ABOUT
00:09:16THIS SANCTION AGAINST TKIBULI FROST FOR THE CHIEF JUDGE OF THE
00:09:19INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.
00:09:22AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE ASKING
00:09:25THE UNITED STATES TO BE REASONABLE WITH US IN TRADE.
00:09:29WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE UNITED STATES' LEADERSHIP INVOLVED IN
00:09:33TRADE NEGOTIATIONS SEE US AS A DOORMAT?
00:09:38OUR LEADERS ARE TOO GUTLESS AND UNPRINCIPLED TO PUSH BACK
00:09:42PROBABLY AGAINST THE UNITED STATES ON THE GLOBAL STAGE.
00:09:45THEY KNOW, AMERICAN NEGOTIATORS
00:09:49KNOW THAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH WIMPS. THEY HAVE NO BACKBONE, NO
00:09:53CAN WALK ALL OVER CANADA IN TRADE ISSUES AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IT.
00:09:56DO YOU AGREE?
00:10:01GUEST: SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE PREMISE OF THE QUESTION.
00:10:04THE START WAS, CANADA'S ROLE GLOBALLY IN THIS GLOBAL
00:10:08PHENOMENON. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THE
00:10:12ANALYSIS OF THIS BEING A GLOBAL PHENOMENON.
00:10:15I MENTIONED 22 COUNTRIES HAVE
00:10:17HAD TRADE AGREEMENTS OVERWRITTEN
00:10:20OR NEW AGREEMENTS ESSENTIALLY
00:10:28IMPOSED IMPOSED THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS BY THE AMERICANS. THIS IS A GLOBAL ISSUE BEYOND
00:10:32JUST CANADA, AND HOW WE REACT AS PART OF A GLOBAL RESPONSE. IN CANADA WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE
00:10:36WHERE WE SPEND SCARCE FOREIGN
00:10:38RESOURCES. WE'VE HAD MASSIVE BUDGET CUTS,
00:10:41AS HAVE MOST OTHER COUNTRIES, AT
00:10:42THE FOREIGN MINISTRY.
00:10:56THAT WEAKENS OUR CAPACITY. WE ALSO HAVE TO FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS MOST IMPORTANT DAY IN AND
00:10:58DAY OUT TO CANADIANS ACROSS THE
00:11:09WHAT IMPACTS PEOPLE AND THEIR HOUSEHOLD BUDGETS? WHAT IMPACTS PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES. THAT PRIORITY IN CANADA NOW IS
00:11:13DEALING WITH THE UNITED STATES. WE ARE ALSO ENGAGING MASSIVELY IN EXPANDING OUR PRESENCE IN THE INDO PACIFIC. WE MADE A GENERATIONAL
00:11:17COMMITMENT TO GROWING OUR RELATIONS, NOT JUST TRADE, BUT RELATIONS AND INDO PACIFIC.
00:11:19THOSE TAKE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
00:11:24RESOURCES. YOU CAN'T BE EVERYPLACE AT ONCE DOING EVERYTHING. WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THE HUMAN
00:11:27RIGHTS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE TRADITIONAL ELEMENTS OF CANADIAN POLICY, BUT IN THE
00:11:30CURRENT MOMENT, CURRENT PRICES,
00:11:32WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON WHAT IS MOST
00:11:34IMPORTANT FOR CANADIANS, THE
00:11:48MARITIMES THROUGH THE PRAIRIES, AND THAT IS DEALING WITH THE UNITED STATES. HOST: RODERICK, THANK YOU FOR
00:11:52CALLING IN. JOHN FROM FRANKLIN, NORTH
00:11:56CAROLINA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. JOHN, YOU'RE ON WITH OUR GUEST. CALLER: I WAS JUST THINKING, WHY
00:11:59WOULD CANADA WANT TO DEAL WITH A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT TO TRADE WITH
00:12:03ANYWAY?
00:12:09WHY WOULD ANYBODY WANT TO? I HOPE THEY STICK TO THEIR GUNS
00:12:13AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SHOW
00:12:16TRUMP AND HIS GOVERNMENT, HIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT, THAT THEY
00:12:19AREN'T GOING TO TAKE WHAT HE'S DISHING OUT.
00:12:21THAT'S ABOUT ALL.
00:12:24HOST: CARLO, LET'S EXPAND ON THAT. YOU HAD AN INTERESTING PIECE
00:12:28PUBLISHED LAST MONTH BEFORE THE
00:12:34TRADE WAR EXPANDED IN THIS WAY WITH THE HEADLINE, "TRUMP'S NEW
00:12:36TARIFFS ARE DESIGNED TO TEAR CANADA APART: WASHINGTON CAN NOW
00:12:40REWARD SOME PROVINCES AND PUNISH OTHERS.
00:12:42THE POLITICAL DANGER MAY BE CONSIDERABLE."
00:12:46SINCE LATE JULY DO YOU FEEL THERE HAS BEEN A UNITING FACTION ACROSS CANADA CAP OR IS THIS
00:12:49PROVINCE BY PROVINCE DEBATE
00:12:50PLAYING UP TO THAT COLORS POINT
00:12:54-- CALLER'S POINT TO FIGURE OUT
00:12:58HOW MUCH TO DABBLE WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP? GUEST: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION
00:13:00THAT HIGHLIGHTS THE UNIQUE
00:13:04NATURE OF CANADA'S CHALLENGE
00:13:07WITH THE U.S. I MENTIONED TO 22 OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH
00:13:11THIS.
00:13:16IN THE CANADIAN'S CASE, THE AMERICANS UNIQUELY DECIDED TO
00:13:18USE SECTION 338 TARIFFS THE
00:13:241930'S SMOOT-HAWLEY PROVISION. WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS
00:13:31PROVISION AS OPPOSED TO IEEPA, WHICH THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN, AND NATIONAL SECURITY TARIFFS, WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT
00:13:34338 IS THERE IS EXPLICIT
00:13:36LANGUAGE ALLOWING A PRESIDENT TO
00:13:40TARGET SOME NATURAL
00:13:44-- SUB-NATURAL JURISDICTIONS IN THE AMERICAN CASE THAT WOULD BE
00:13:48STATES AND THE CANADIAN CASE PROVINCES.
00:13:52WE ALREADY FACED TENSIONS IN CANADA. MOST OF YOUR LISTENERS KNOW
00:13:59THERE HAVE BEEN SEPARATIST MOVEMENTS IN QUEBEC.
00:14:02WE HAVE SEPARATIST TENDENCIES IN WESTERN CANADA AS WELL.
00:14:04WE ARE FRAUGHT AS A NATION IN
00:14:08TERMS OF DIFFERENT REGIONS AND REGIONAL TENSIONS.
00:14:11IF THE PRESIDENT HAS THE ABILITY TO REWARD ONE PROVINCE AND
00:14:15PUNISH ANOTHER, THE INHERENT TENSION WITHIN CANADA CAN BE
00:14:20WORSENED BY A PRESIDENT SEEKING
00:14:23TO PLAY ONE PROVINCE OFF AGAINST THE OTHER.
00:14:27NOVA SCOTIA, IF YOU PUT CANADIAN LIQUOR BACK ON THE SHELVES, WILL
00:14:34ALLOW NOVA SCOTIA WINE -- YES,
00:14:39WE PRODUCE WINE IN NOVA SCOTIA -- WILL ALLOW YOUR WINE TO COME
00:14:40IN.
00:14:44BRITISH COLUMBIA, WHO MAKES VERY GOOD WINE YOU ARE NOT BEHAVING,
00:14:48, LIQUOR OFF THE SHELVES, WE
00:14:51WILL TARIFF 50%, I THINK YOUR
00:14:54LISTENERS CAN IMAGINE HOW THAT COULD PLAY ONE STATE AGAINST THE
00:14:56OTHER. IN THE U.S., CALIFORNIA VERSUS TEXAS. NORTH CAROLINA VERSUS NEW YORK.
00:15:00THIS IS A UNIQUE CHALLENGE ONLY
00:15:03CANADA FACES FROM THE U.S. WE ARE DEEPLY, DEEPLY WORRIED ABOUT THIS.
00:15:09AT THE INITIATIVE WE CONDUCTED WORKING CANADA TESTING RESPONSES TO THIS, WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN
00:15:13RESPONSE.
00:15:16YES, THE THREAT FROM THE U.S. IS NUANCED AND IT'S DEEP.
00:15:20HOST: THAT'S A HELPFUL BREAKDOWN. WE HAD A CALL CALLER BEFORE YOU
00:15:23ARE ON ASK HOW PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ABLE TO ISSUE THESE TARIFFS
00:15:26BECAUSE THEY BROUGHT UP THE
00:15:27SUPREME COURT CASE. AS YOU MENTIONED, THE SUPREME
00:15:31COURT TALKING ABOUT THE IEEPA
00:15:37TARIFFS, SEPARATE EMERGENCY ACT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE TARIFF TOOLS THE U.S. PRESIDENT CAN USE AND HENCE DEPLOYING THEM AGAINST
00:15:41CANADA SEPARATE FROM WHAT THE SUPREME COURT STRUCK DOWN.
00:15:45THAT WAS A HELPFUL BREAKDOWN.
00:15:47WE HAVE A FEW MORE CALLERS WHO
00:15:51WANT TO PICK YOUR BRAIN. STEPHEN FROM FREDERICKSBURG ON
00:15:55THE INDEPENDENT LINE. YOU'RE ON WITH OUR GUEST, CARLO. CALLER: GOOD MORNING. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THIS
00:15:59CONVERSATION AND I AM JOINING A
00:16:00BIT LATE.
00:16:05I HAD JUST SPENT A WEEK IN
00:16:08ONTARIO THROUGH PART OF THE PROVINCE AND I WAS STRUCK BY --
00:16:11YOU KNOW, I WAS STRUCK BY THE FRIENDLINESS AND THE CLOSENESS,
00:16:15AND IT JUST TOLD ME ABOUT HOW
00:16:18STRONGLY OUR RELATIONS HAVE BEEN OVER THE DECADES.
00:16:22I -- I WILL BE HONEST. I FEEL BAD ABOUT HOW WE HAVE
00:16:25BEEN TREATING CANADA.
00:16:27THE LACK OF RESPECT WE'VE SHOWN.
00:16:30I DID ALSO CAPTURE WHAT YOU WERE JUST PICKING UP.
00:16:33YOU WERE JUST PICKING UP, SIR,
00:16:36ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE DIFFERENT
00:16:40PROVINCES AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THE
00:16:44ATTEMPT TO PLAY OFF ONE TO THE OTHER. I WAS STRUCK BY THE TEAM CANADA
00:16:49MANTRA THAT WAS PUSHING.
00:16:51I WAS LISTENING IN PARTICULAR TO
00:16:53THE PREMIER FOR MANITOBA REGARDING ALCOHOL.
00:16:57HIS COMMENT, LET THE DUST GROW
00:17:01ON THE SHELF OF AMERICAN
00:17:05ALCOHOL IF IT WERE TO COME BACK
00:17:06ON BEFORE THIS LATEST BREAKDOWN.
00:17:11SHOULD YOU SEE THAT KIND OF TEAM
00:17:15CANADA CONTINUE AS THE U.S. DOES
00:17:18TRY TO APPROACH THIS STRATEGY, AS YOU MENTIONED, OF TRYING TO,
00:17:23KIND OF, TEAR CANADA APART, PITTING ONE AGAINST THE OTHER. DO YOU NOW SEE CANADA REALLY
00:17:26THINKING MORE STRATEGICALLY AS
00:17:28TO THE U.S. POLITICAL SITUATION IN WHICH CERTAIN STATES ARE
00:17:32VULNERABLE WITH HIGHER PRICES, ETC., WITH OUR MIDTERMS COMING
00:17:35UP? THANK YOU.
00:17:40GUEST: RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF TARIFF POLICY, I
00:17:44THINK EVERY COUNTRY IS DOING WHAT CANADA IS DOING.
00:17:46IT'S THE STANDARD PLAYBOOK WHEN DEALING WITH THE U.S. ON ECONOMIC ISSUES WHEN THE U.S.
00:17:50HAS IMPOSED TARIFFS OR CHARGES.
00:17:55YOU TARGET HARLEY-DAVIDSONS, YOU
00:18:01TARGET URBAN -- SOMETHING DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO IN
00:18:07ALBERTA -- BUT YOU TARGET PRODUCTS WITH CERTAIN STATES, CERTAIN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS. THAT WILL CONTINUE.
00:18:10IT HAS BEEN STANDARD. I WILL NOTE CANADA IS THE ONLY
00:18:16COUNTRY -- WELL, ONE OF TWO
00:18:20COUNTRIES THAT HAVE DARED TO RETALIATE AGAINST THE U.S.. THE OTHER BEING CHINA.
00:18:24WE'VE TAKEN AN EXTRA SPECIAL HIT FROM THE U.S. BECAUSE WE HAVE RETALIATED. THE LAST TIME I WAS AT USTR IN
00:18:28WASHINGTON THE FIRST THING THEY SAID TO ME AFTER GOOD MORNING
00:18:31WAS, YOU DO KNOW THAT ONLY TWO
00:18:33COUNTRIES HAVE DARED TO RETALIATE AND BOTH BEGIN WITH A
00:18:36C.
00:18:39THE IMPLICATION WAS THEY CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT CHINA, BUT A SMALLER ECONOMY LIKE CANADA THEY
00:18:43CAN.
00:18:46SO WE'RE GEARING UP. THIS IS PARTIALLY WHY YOU ARE
00:18:50SEEING THE HARSHER TREATMENT FOR
00:18:53CANADA THAN YOU SO FOR JAPAN, ARGENTINA, KOREA, THE U.K.,
00:19:01PAKISTAN THE OTHER COUNTRIES , THAT THE U.S. FORCED TO SIGN AGREEMENTS.
00:19:04ON THE PROVINCES I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR AMERICAN AUDIENCES TO UNDERSTAND THAT CANADIAN
00:19:07PROVINCES AREN'T U.S. STATES.
00:19:10IN MANY WAYS CANADA IS MORE THE
00:19:14UNITED EMIRATES OF CANADA THEN IT IS THE FEDERATION.
00:19:17PROVINCES HAVE EXTRAORDINARY POWERS OVER THINGS THAT IMPACT
00:19:21TRADE.
00:19:25WORK RULES GOVERNMENT , PROCUREMENT, LIQUOR ON SHELVES.
00:19:29SO THERE ARE WAYS THE
00:19:34PROVINCES PLAY A ROLE THAT IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT THAN U.S. STATES. ON ONE HAND IT ALLOWS MORE LOCAL
00:19:38CONTROL.
00:19:41BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WELL, IT ALLOWS PROVINCES TO GO ROGUE. WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO MANAGE
00:19:45THAT TENSION.
00:19:49I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS. CURRENTLY, TARIFFS FROM THE
00:19:53U.S., SECTION 232 TARIFFS,
00:19:56STEEL, ALUMINUM, NATIONAL
00:20:00SECURITY TARIFFS. 60% OF WHAT ONTARIO AND QU BEC
00:20:04-- AND QUEBEC EXPORT TO THE U.S., 60% BY VALUE, ARE SUBJECT
00:20:07TO TARIFFS.
00:20:09OUT HERE IN THE PRAIRIES OF
00:20:13ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, IT'S LESS THAN 5% OF WHAT WE EXPORT.
00:20:17BRITISH COLUMBIA IS CLOSER TO 40%. NEWFOUNDLAND LESS THAN 1%.
00:20:23YOU HAVE THIS REALLY DISPARATE ECONOMIC IMPACT ALREADY ON THE
00:20:26PROVINCES. THAT CREATES A BASELINE TENSION
00:20:29AS SOME PROVINCES SUFFER AND OTHERS DON'T. SO WE ALL ALREADY IN A WEAK
00:20:33POSITION TO BEGIN WITH.
00:20:37AND THIS 338 SECTION ON TOP OF IT POSES A REAL THREAT.
00:20:41WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO
00:20:43DESTABILIZE YOUR NEIGHBOR, WHO FOUGHT SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH
00:20:47YOU IN AFGHANISTAN -- I
00:20:51MENTIONED THE CANADIAN FIREFIGHTER HELICOPTER PILOT WHO
00:20:53LOST HIS LIFE FIGHTING FIRES IN
00:20:56COLORADO -- THAT'S REALLY
00:21:01CAUSING PROBLEMS UP HERE, AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE.
00:21:04HOST: THANK YOU FOR THAT CALL,
00:21:08HAVING JUST TRAVELED TO CANADA.
00:21:15WE HAVE A GRAPHIC I WANT TO PUT ON SCREEN. THE FIRST OVERALL IS A BREAKDOWN FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
00:21:19THE NEW TRADE WAR, U.S. TARIFFS ON CANADA, 50% ON ABOUT $20 BILLION WORTH OF GOODS. THE INITIAL ROUND WAS
00:21:22IMPLEMENTED AUGUST 22.
00:21:26THE NEXT PHASE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED WHICH TARGETS THINGS MORE LIKE CAR PARTS GOES
00:21:29INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1, 2027.
00:21:33AND THEN WE HAVE THIS BREAKDOWN FROM THE U.S. TRADE REPS OFFICE OF TOP U.S. IMPORTS FROM CANADA.
00:21:37YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A BIG
00:21:38TRADING RELATIONSHIP.
00:21:42$119 BILLION FOR MINERAL FUELS AND OILS.
00:21:48$45.8 BILLION FOR VEHICLES AND PARTS.
00:21:53$30.1 BILLION FOR MACHINERY AND EQUIPMENT.
00:21:56$12.8 BILLION FOR PLASTICS.
00:22:00$10.2 BILLION FOR LUMBER.
00:22:04FROM LONG GROVE, ILLINOIS, SHE SAYS WHAT IS MR. DADE'S VIEW OF THE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT CANADA HAS GIVEN TO OTHER
00:22:07COUNTRIES? DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT?
00:22:11GUEST: SURE. PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT IS STANDARD INTERNATIONALLY.
00:22:13THE U.S. HAS AGREEMENTS -- I
00:22:17FORGET HOW MANY YOU HAVE -- BUT AGREEMENTS WHERE YOU GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OTHER
00:22:21COUNTRIES.
00:22:24IT'S CALLED A TRADE AGREEMENT, ESSENTIALLY. I THINK LISTENERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE U.S. HAVING TRADE AGREEMENTS AND OTHER COUNTRIES
00:22:28HAVING TRADE AGREEMENTS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS TO THE BENEFIT OF CANADIANS AND THE
00:22:31COUNTRIES WITH WHOM WE TRADE. IT'S NOT SURPRISING.
00:22:35WHAT HAS OCCURRED RECENTLY, THE
00:22:38U.S. HAS ATTEMPTED TO HAVE A SAY
00:22:40IN NOT JUST OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT CANADA CAN SIGN, BUT AGAIN
00:22:44-- I KEEP MENTIONING THE 22
00:22:46OTHER COUNTRIES THAT PRECEDED US
00:22:49IN DOING THIS WITH THE U.S. --
00:22:51IT HAS HAD -- IT FORCED THESE
00:22:54COUNTRIES TO ACCEPT U.S. VETOES,
00:22:58U.S. INFLUENCE, OR U.S.
00:23:02DIRECTION IN AGREEMENTS THAT
00:23:05SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES CAN SIGN WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
00:23:08ESSENTIALLY, THEY ARE FORCING OTHER COUNTRIES TO ALIGN WITH
00:23:12U.S. DEFINITIONS OF U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY.
00:23:14THIS WAS THE CASE IN THE DEAL
00:23:16THE U.S. SIGNED WITH MALAYSIA.
00:23:19OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS
00:23:22IS A PROBLEM FOR INDEPENDENT,
00:23:24SOVEREIGN NATIONS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE U.S. HAVING ANYWHERE
00:23:28FROM A SAY, TO A NUDGE, TO WHAT
00:23:32SOME PERCEIVED TO BE A VETO OVER TRADE POLICY.
00:23:39ESSENTIALLY STARTED UNDER THE CURRENT USMCA AGREEMENT WHERE WE AGREED WITH THE AMERICANS THAT
00:23:42WE WOULD SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT
00:23:45NEGOTIATIONS WITH NONMARKET
00:23:47COUNTRIES, BY WHICH OF THE U.S.
00:23:51MEANT VIETNAM AND CHINA.
00:23:56WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THAT
00:23:57IS, WE AGREED ON USMCA TO SHARE
00:24:02INFORMATION AND ESSENTIALLY NOT TO SIGN WITH NONMARKET COUNTRIES. BUT FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE INK
00:24:08DRIED ON USMCA THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, THE FIRST TRUMP
00:24:10ADMINISTRATION, TURNED AROUND
00:24:12AND ASSIGNED A TRADE AGREEMENT
00:24:16-- AND SIGNED A TRADE AGREEMENT WITH CHINA THAT TOOK MARKET
00:24:19SHARE FROM CANADIAN FARMERS.
00:24:24SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A STORY THAT'S NOT WELL KNOWN IN THE U.S., BUT THIS POINTS TO THE UNDERLYING
00:24:28RESENTMENT AND INABILITY TO
00:24:29TRUST THE U.S.
00:24:32WE, OF COURSE, HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK WITH THE U.S.
00:24:36YOU ARE OUR NEIGHBOR.
00:24:3975% OF OUR EXPORTS GO TO YOU. WE HAVE DEEP, DEEP FAMILY TIES,
00:24:44HISTORIC TIES, ETC.. WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WORK
00:24:47WITH YOU, BUT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DIFFICULT.
00:24:49I THINK THE STORIES THAT DON'T
00:24:51MAKE THE NEWS, LIKE STABBING US
00:24:55IN THE BACK OR MORE LIKE SH
00:25:02IVING US IN THE PRISON EXERCISE YARD WITH CHINA IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS HAS BECOME.
00:25:06HOST: THE OVERALL FIGURE 75% OF YOUR EXPERTS COME INTO THE U.S.
00:25:09IS NOTABLE, THREE QUARTERS. IT'S A BIG DEAL.
00:25:14LET'S HEAR FROM A COUPLE MORE CALLERS. ERIC FROM MINNESOTA ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE. ERIC, YOU'RE ARE ON WITH OUR
00:25:17GUEST. CALLER: YES.
00:25:20I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT
00:25:23THE PROBLEM IN THIS BIG WORLD IS
00:25:25THAT WE ARE AT A KEY JUNCTURE
00:25:27WITH OUR ENERGY REQUIREMENT.
00:25:33AND FOR TRUMP IT IS ALL OIL ALL THE TIME. HE IS TRYING TO GET MEMBERSHIP
00:25:36INTO THE BIG CARTELS. AND TO DO THAT HE'S GOT TO TAKE
00:25:40OIL. AND THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WILL BE CALLED IN
00:25:43HISTORY THE OIL WARS.
00:25:45IF WE GO DOWN THE TRAIL EXCLUSIVELY THERE WILL BE BLOOD
00:25:49ON THE TRAIL.
00:25:52AND IF WE ARE A BIG COUNTRY WITH BIG ARMS, WE WILL TAKE AND TAKE AND TAKE.
00:25:56AND WE'VE DONE IT TO VENEZUELA. WE ARE DOING IT TO IRAN.
00:25:59HE'S NOT TELLING US WHY HE'S IN IRAN, BUT 10% OF THE OIL
00:26:01RESERVES ARE IN THAT COUNTRY.
00:26:03HE'S GOING FOR THEM.
00:26:09SO, THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO GO -- YOU KNOW TRY TO GO GREEN.
00:26:12, CHINA IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE
00:26:14COUNTRY WHICH PLAYS BOTH CARDS.
00:26:21THEY ARE DEVELOPING THEIR E-CARS
00:26:25AND ALTERNATIVE ENERGIES ACROSS-THE-BOARD. LOOK HOW WELL THEY'RE DOING WITH IT.
00:26:29WE HEAR ABOUT IT. IN OUR COUNTRY TRUMP HAS NOT ONLY GONE ALL OIL HE HAS
00:26:33CANCELED ALL GREEN. CANCELED THE CLEAN AIR INITIATIVE, CLEAN WATER
00:26:36INITIATIVE, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD PURSUE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY
00:26:38ACROSS THE BOARD.
00:26:41AND CANADA IS IN THE GUNSIGHT OF
00:26:44THAT BECAUSE CANADA HAS OFFERED
00:26:47US SOME OIL, BUT PRINCIPALLY THEY ARE A COUNTRY WHICH COULD
00:26:50PLAY GREEN VERY WELL.
00:26:52THEY HAVE GREEN MOUNTAINS AND
00:26:55SKI AREAS AND SUCH. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHICH WAY WE GO
00:26:58IN THE WORLD. DO WE GO ALL OIL, ALL IN?
00:27:01IF WE ARE WE HAVE TO BE ARMED TO THE TEETH BECAUSE WE WILL TAKE
00:27:04MORE AS WE NEED IT.
00:27:07IF WE GO GREEN, EACH COUNTRY CAN
00:27:09PRODUCE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
00:27:13CAN BE LITTLE ENGINES OF DEVELOPMENT OF GREEN RACING TO DO THE BEST GREEN.
00:27:17THAT'S THE WAY WE NEED TO GO.
00:27:23TRUMP IS A MADMAN, BUT HE'S FUELED BY PUTIN AND THE CARTELS
00:27:26AND THEY ARE INSTRUCTING HIM ON
00:27:29HOW YOU BECOME RAPACIOUS AND GO
00:27:33FOR OIL ALL THE TIME WITH BLOODTHIRSTY INTENT. THANK YOU. HOST: WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT
00:27:36ARGUMENT? HE CLEARLY WAS NOT A FAN OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, BUT HOW DO YOU FACTOR OIL INTO THIS BROADER
00:27:40TRADE CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE U.S. AND CANADA AND THE LONG
00:27:43STANDING RELATIONSHIP? GUEST: IT'S INTERESTING.
00:27:47BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ALBERTA IS AN
00:27:49OIL PRODUCER.
00:27:51MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF OIL.
00:27:55IT GOES TO THE U.S. WE ARE THE LARGEST SUPPLIER FOR
00:27:58I THINK ONE OR TWO OF YOUR PETROLEUM AREA RESERVES.
00:28:02YOU GET 100% OF THE OIL FOR
00:28:04THOSE RESERVES FROM CANADA.
00:28:10SO IT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT IT
00:28:14THOUGH IS OUT HERE IN THE WEST THE TIES IN THE MOUNTAIN WEST,
00:28:17THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS, GO BEYOND OIL.
00:28:20EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUR LARGEST EXPORT.
00:28:23WHAT LINKS US WITH THE AMERICAN
00:28:24MOUNTAIN WEST AND THE AMERICAN
00:28:27PRAIRIES IS NOT OIL, REALLY. IT'S EVERYTHING ELSE WE DO IN
00:28:30COMMON. THINGS THAT TOUCH PEOPLE EVERY DAY.
00:28:35I MENTIONED DEALING WITH FOREST FIRES, AGRICULTURAL ISSUES,
00:28:39HEALING THE URBAN/RURAL DIVIDE IS AN ISSUE THAT WE UNIQUELY
00:28:42SHARE BETWEEN CANADA AND THE U.S., CERTAINLY IN ITS WESTERN
00:28:46MANIFESTATION.
00:28:49OIL IS THERE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK BEYOND OIL YOU SEE SO MUCH MORE.
00:28:52ON CLEAN ENERGY, THIS IS A
00:28:57GLOBAL CHALLENGE. WE ARE WORKING ON ENERGY
00:29:00TRANSITION IN CANADA.
00:29:03HERE IN ALBERTA, EVEN THOUGH WE PRODUCE SO MUCH OIL, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PER CAPITA PRESENCE OF
00:29:07WIND POWER I THINK IN NORTH AMERICA.
00:29:09WE HAVE LOST AN ALLY IN THE
00:29:12CLEAN ENERGY DEVELOPMENT FIGHT
00:29:15GLOBALLY WITH THE U.S..
00:29:18WE USED TO HAVE AN ALLY. THIS IS HOW WE WERE GOING TO
00:29:21GROW THE INDUSTRY TOGETHER.
00:29:26YOU'RE FORCING PEOPLE TO LOOK TO
00:29:28CHINA TO DEVELOP CLEAN ENERGY. THOSE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT LOOKED TO THE U.S. FOR
00:29:32LEADERSHIP IN THE ENERGY
00:29:34TRANSITION ARE NOW FACED WITH
00:29:36THE CHOICE OF TRYING TO GO IT ALONE, WORKING TOGETHER, OR,
00:29:39POTENTIALLY, WORKING WITH CHINA.
00:29:40BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE
00:29:44U.S. HAS MADE IT TO WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO DEAL WITH CHINA.
00:29:48THE ONLY QUESTION IS, DO YOU DO IT A LOT OR DO YOU DO THE BARE
00:29:52MINIMUM? WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE DEALING WITH CHINA, THERE REALLY ISN'T A
00:29:55CHOICE.
00:29:57THAT IS THANKS, I WOULD ARGUE,
00:29:59LARGELY TO POSITIONS THE U.S.
00:30:01GOVERNMENT HAS TAKEN RECENTLY. HOST: CARLO DADE IS THE DIRECTOR
00:30:05OF INTERNATIONAL POLICY FOR THE NEW NORTH AMERICAN INITIATIVE
00:30:09AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY.
00:30:12CARLO, THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR INSIGHT. GUEST: MY PLEASURE.
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