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00:00:00>> AFTER A LOOK AT THE NEWS AND VIEWER WILL WELCOME NEIL
00:00:04CHILSON, FORMER FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSIONER AND CHIEF TECHNOLOGIST FOR THE TRUMP
00:00:08ADMINISTRA. LISTEN TO THE SHOW. HE'LL DISCUSS OVERSIGHT OF THE
00:00:11BURGEONING A.I. INDUSTRY AND
00:00:13LATER FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF BALTIMORE SCHOOL OF LAW,
00:00:17PROFESSOR KIMBERLY WHALEY WILL JOIN US TO TALK ABOUT VOTING
00:00:20RIGHTS AND THE UPCOMING MIDTERM.
00:00:22C-SPAN'S WASHINGTON JOURNAL IS NEXT.
00:00:26PLEASE JOIN THE
00:00:39HOST: TODAY IS SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER
00:00:4420, WELCOME TO WASHINGTON JOURNAL. LAWMAKERS HAVE LEFT WASHINGTON
00:00:49DC SEEKING AN EARLY DISMISSAL
00:00:51FROM HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON TO CAMPAIGN FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTION.
00:00:56JOHNSON IS POSTING THE 119 CONGRESS HAS BEEN ONE OF THE
00:00:59MOST PRODUCTIVE THUS FAR EVEN AFTER LEAVING SEVERAL ISSUES FOR
00:01:02A VOTE.
00:01:07WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
00:01:10HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS SO FAR?
00:01:14HERE IS HOW YOU CAN JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION.
00:01:16DEMOCRATS, 202-748-8000.
00:01:19REPUBLICANS, 202-748-8001.
00:01:23INDEPENDENTS, 202-748-8002.
00:01:29YOU CAN ALSO REACH US BY TEXT
00:01:29MESSAGE AT 202-748-8003.
00:01:37YOU CAN FIND US ON SOCIAL MEDIA,
00:01:42FACEBOOK.COM/C-SPAN, OUR
00:01:46INSTAGRAM IS #C-SPAN WJ AND OUR
00:01:48X HANDLE IS [VIDEO CLIP]
00:01:52--@CSPANWJ.
00:01:56HOUSE LAWMAKERS ARE SET TO BE
00:01:58ABSENT FOR SIX WEEKS FROM
00:02:01WASHINGTON DC UNLIKELY TO RETURN
00:02:02UNTIL AFTER MIDTERM ELECTIONS IN
00:02:06NOVEMBER. HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON DEFENDED THE EARLIER DISMISSAL SAYING CONGRESS HAD IN FACT DONE
00:02:10ITS JOB. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:02:14SPEAKER JOHNSON: WE GIVE THE LARGEST MIDDLE AND WORKING-CLASS
00:02:17TAX CUT IN HISTORY. WE ESTABLISHED TRUMP ACCOUNTS US
00:02:21EVERY AMERICAN CHILD HAS A FINANCIAL STAKE IN THE FUTURE OF THIS COMPANY.
00:02:25-- COUNTRY. POWERFUL INCENTIVES TO BUILD AND HIRE AMERICAN.
00:02:29THAT'S THE AMERICA FIRST AGENDA. THE BIGGEST BOOST TO AMERICAN
00:02:32BUSINESSES IN DECADES. TALKING ABOUT SHIPYARDS AND
00:02:36PLANTS AND FACTORIES AND BRINGING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GOOD PAYING JOBS WITH THEM.
00:02:41WE STORED SAFETY IN ORDER,
00:02:45VIOLENT CRIME -- V THE MURDER RATE FOR EXAMPLE HAS PLUMMETED
00:02:48TO A 126 YEAR LOW WITH FAR FEWER
00:02:52AMERICANS DYING FROM THE SCOURGE OF FENTANYL IN OUR COMMUNITIES THE FLOODED OVER THE BORDER
00:02:55UNDER THE BIDEN HARRIS COLLEGE
00:02:58CAMPUSES AND STREETS OF EVERY SO MANY TOWNS IN THESE COUNTRIES.
00:03:02LAST BUT NOT LEAST WE CLOSE THE BORDER.
00:03:04ILLEGAL CROSSINGS ARE AT ZERO. THEY HAVE BEEN FOR OVER 15 MONTHS.
00:03:08CARTELS AND CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO JAIL WHERE THEY BELONG AFTER
00:03:11FOUR YEARS OF ABSOLUTE ANARCHY
00:03:15UNDER JOE BIDEN'S BORDER POLICY.
00:03:21HOST: THAT WAS HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON DEFENDING HIS DECISION TO CANCEL VOTES ON
00:03:24WEDNESDAY -- CANCEL THURSDAY VOTES AND SEND HIS LAWMAKERS
00:03:27BACK HOME TO CAMPAIGN BEFORE THE
00:03:31MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
00:03:32DEMOCRATS WERE ROUNDLY CRITICAL OF THIS DECISION.
00:03:35TAKE A LISTEN TO DEMOCRATIC
00:03:39LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:03:42>> HOUSE DEMOCRATS ARE
00:03:46DETERMINED TO MAKE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:03:51WE JUST NEED A HANDFUL OF
00:03:56REPUBLICANS TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND JOIN US.
00:04:02INSTEAD, THEY HAVE DECIDED TO CANCEL VOTES AND RUN OUT OF TOWN
00:04:07WITHOUT PROVIDING ANY RELIEF TO
00:04:11HARD-WORKING AMERICAN TAXPAYERS.
00:04:15REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE NOTHING TO
00:04:17LOWER THE HIGH COST OF GROCERIES, NOTHING TO MAKE
00:04:21HEALTH CARE MORE AFFORDABLE. NOTHING TO END THE RECKLESS WAR
00:04:25OF CHOICE IN IRAN. NOTHING TO LOWER GAS PRICES.
00:04:29NOTHING TO STOP THE VIOLENT MASS
00:04:33DEPORTATION MACHINE. NOTHING TO HOLD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION ACCOUNTABLE FOR
00:04:36THE UNPRECEDENTED CORRUPTION UNLEASHED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
00:04:39THIS IS THE DO-NOTHING
00:04:43REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND IS ABOUT
00:04:46TO COME TO AN END.
00:04:47HOST: DEMOCRATIC MINORITY LEADER
00:04:52HAKEEM JEFFRIES CRITICIZING THE DECISION TO CANCEL VOTES SENDING
00:04:55LAWMAKERS HOME FOR ABOUT SIX WEEKS.
00:04:57ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL
00:05:02LAWMAKERS EARLY EXIT REIGNITE IGNITES DEBATE OVER WORK ETHIC.
00:05:05IT'S AS HOW'S LAWMAKERS ARE HEADING HOME TILL AFTER THE
00:05:09ELECTIONS GIVING AN EARLY DISMISSAL DESPITE CONCERNS ABOUT
00:05:11HIGH GASOLINE PRICES THE DANGERS
00:05:14OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
00:05:18THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING GRAPHIC IF YOU BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL.
00:05:22YOU CAN SEE WHEN CONGRESS WENT
00:05:25FROM 2025 TO DECEMBER JUST TO
00:05:30SEE EXACTLY WHEN CONGRESS HAS BEEN IN SESSION.
00:05:36JANUARY 2020 FIVE TO DECEMBER 2025.
00:05:40OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOW IN SEPTEMBER SO THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS YEAR.
00:05:45LET'S TURN TO SOME PHONE CALLS. THE QUESTION THIS MORNING IS HOW
00:05:49WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS IN THIS
00:05:55SESSION SO FAR. SOUTH CAROLINA, A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING AUSTIN.
00:05:58CALLER: OUT OF 100 I WOULD GIVE
00:06:06CONGRESS A SCORE OF PROBABLY A 30 RIGHT NOW.
00:06:10I THINK THAT IS IN LINE WITH HOW TRUMP IS PULLING NATIONALLY.
00:06:15I THINK THE OVERLOOK OF THE AI
00:06:22URGENCY RIGHT NOW IS A PARTICULARLY BAD PROBLEM.
00:06:26I THINK FOREIGN ADVERSARIES ARE
00:06:31USING AI AND USING MACHINE
00:06:36LEARNING ALGORITHMS TO INFLUENCE
00:06:39ELECTIONS WORLDWIDE AND IT'S
00:06:43BECOMING A VERY VERY URGENT PROBLEM.
00:06:47THE FACT THAT CONGRESS ISN'T
00:06:50DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW IS DEEPLY UNSETTLING TO ME.
00:06:55>> THAT'S AUSTIN FROM SOUTH
00:07:00CAROLINA. STEVE FROM MISSOURI AND INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING STEVE.
00:07:03CALLER: YES, IF I COULD GIVE
00:07:08THEM ANYTHING LOWER THAN AN F MINUS I WOULD TO DO THAT.
00:07:12THIS IS BEYOND JUST DOING A BAD
00:07:14JOB, THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST
00:07:18DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND THEY
00:07:19HAVE DONE NOTHING THE WHOLE TIME .
00:07:23THE REPUBLICAN PARTY JUST NEEDS
00:07:24TO BE ELIMINATED AS FAR AS NO
00:07:29MORE OF THE PARTY AND TRUMP IS A
00:07:31TRAITOR TO OUR COUNTRY.
00:07:35I WILL BE GLAD TO SEE HIM GET OUT OF THERE.
00:07:37HOST: I WANT TO SHOW YOU GUYS
00:07:41SOME STATISTICS FROM THIS CONGRESS. MY PRODUCERS CAN PUT UP THE
00:07:46GRAPHIC HERE.
00:07:47IT SAYS JUST OVER 100 LAWS HAVE
00:07:51BEEN ENACTED IN THE CURRENT CONGRESS, FEWER THAN ANY OF ITS
00:07:55PREDECESSORS SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.
00:07:57AN APRIL GALLUP POLL SHOWED IT WAS HIS HISTORIC HIGH OF 86%.
00:08:02AND THE HOUSES CUT 28 DAYS THIS
00:08:05YEAR WHILE ADDING FOUR OTHERS FOR A NET LOSS OF 24 DAYS ABOUT
00:08:09ONE FOURTH OF ITS TOTAL COMING
00:08:11FROM ARTICLES IN THE WASHINGTON -- WALL STREET JOURNAL AND NPR.
00:08:16SOME DISCUSSIONS HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THEM.
00:08:23JIM FROM MISSOURI, A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
00:08:24CALLER: THIS IS AN ABJECT
00:08:29FAILURE BY ANY MEASURE. YOU JUST MENTIONED THEY'VE
00:08:34PASSED 100 PIECES OF LEGISLATION
00:08:37OUT OF THIS CONGRESS, QUITE A
00:08:41BIT OF THAT MUST'VE BEEN VERY
00:08:44RECENTLY AND AS MUCH AS I'D
00:08:47FIGURED IT WAS UNDER 40 IN THE
00:08:50ENTIRE TWO YEAR TIME SO THAT 100
00:08:54FIGURE MUST BE SOMETHING RECENTLY.
00:08:56HOST: 100 LAWS ENACTED IN THE
00:08:59CURRENT CONGRESS.
00:09:00CALLER: AND THEN I THINK WHAT
00:09:04THEY'RE DOING RIGHT NOW BY
00:09:07TAKING THESE PROTRACTED AMOUNT
00:09:11OF TIME AWAY FROM WASHINGTON
00:09:14DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DODGE THE BULLET AND AT LEAST
00:09:19STABILIZE THEIR DISMAL APPROVAL
00:09:21RATINGS IT PROBABLY WON'T WORK
00:09:27INASMUCH AS EVERY TIME THEY SEEMED TO KIND OF DODGE OR LAY
00:09:30LOW THE ADMINISTRATION DOES
00:09:34SOMETHING TO INFURIATE THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC EVEN
00:09:38FURTHER.
00:09:40I SEE THIS AS THIS IS BAD
00:09:44PERFORMANCE FROM TOP TO BOTTOM BY THE REPUBLICAN MAJORITY, THANK YOU.
00:09:48HOST: RICHARD FROM NEW YORK A
00:09:52REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS CONGRESS.
00:09:57CALLER: I WOULD RATE THEIR
00:10:00REPUBLICANS A C AND GIVE THE
00:10:03DEMOCRATS AND F.
00:10:05THEY DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING REGARDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
00:10:08AND CONTINUES TO CRITICIZE THE
00:10:11-- THE HEAD OF DHS AND THE MASS
00:10:17DEPORTATION OF ILLEGAL
00:10:18IMMIGRANTS, THEY HAD NO PROBLEM
00:10:23DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA APPOINTED
00:10:25HIM HEAD OF DHS AND AT THAT TIME
00:10:32-- DAY IMPORTED MORE ILLEGAL
00:10:35IMMIGRANTS THAN THEY'VE DONE SO FAR DURING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. THAT SEEMS TO HAVE CHANGED IN
00:10:40THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS.
00:10:43IT WAS OK DURING THE DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENCY BUT NOT THE
00:10:47REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCY WERE DOING EVERYTHING WRONG.
00:10:51I THINK IT'S TIME DEMOCRAT SIT DOWN AND STARTED WORKING ON
00:10:54DOING THINGS FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND NOT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ITSELF.
00:10:59THEY REPRESENT BOTH REPUBLICANS
00:11:00AND DEMOCRATS ON BOTH SIDES OF
00:11:04THE AISLE. THE REPUBLICANS TONS OF THE TO
00:11:06HELP THE REPUBLICANS AND AND DEMOCRATS BOTH IN THE DEMOCRATS
00:11:10SEEM TO SAY NO WE CAN'T DO THAT.
00:11:11HOST: WHAT'S ONE THING DEMOCRAT
00:11:15-- REPUBLICANS ARE PAST THAT YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE.
00:11:18CALLER: I LIKE THE SAFE ACT.
00:11:21I THINK WITH THIS DEAL WITH THE VOTER ID LAWS.
00:11:30WITH THE VOTER ID LAWS -- I FIND
00:11:32IT HARD TO COMPREHEND PEOPLE CAN
00:11:36PROVIDE AN ID TO VOTE BUT THEY
00:11:37CAN PROVIDE AN ID TO -- PURCHASE
00:11:44ALCOHOL, TOBACCO FIREARMS
00:11:46AMMUNITION, QUALIFY FOR MEDICARE
00:11:50, SNAPPED AND AND OTHER FEDERAL
00:11:54ASSISTANCE BUT IT'S A HARDSHIP TO COMPLY TO HAVE AN ID TO VOTE?
00:11:59AND NOW THE NEW MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY.
00:12:01HOST: LET'S KEEP THIS ON CONGRESS.
00:12:05LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE
00:12:07WE GO, WHAT COULD REPUBLICANS DO IN CONGRESS PERHAPS WHEN THEY
00:12:10COME BACK IN NOVEMBER TO GET YOUR VOTE, TO GET YOUR GRADE
00:12:13FROM A C TO NA.
00:12:17CALLER: TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN
00:12:21DOING AT THE DEMOCRATS KEEP HOLDING ALL THIS -- -- THIS.
00:12:24HOST: YOU GIVE REPUBLICANS A C
00:12:29SO I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THAT CAME FROM. CALLER: WELL THERE ARE CERTAIN
00:12:33THINGS THAT THEY DO THAT BOTH
00:12:37PARTIES DO THAT AREN'T ACCEPTABLE FOR THE AMERICAN
00:12:41PEOPLE. I DON'T THINK THE REPUBLICANS
00:12:44FIGHT HARD ENOUGH TO -- GET THE
00:12:49DEMOCRATS TO SAY YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE ISLAND SAY WE NEED TO
00:12:54WORK TOGETHER ON THIS WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT.
00:12:59I THINK THE REPUBLICANS HAVE GONE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR A
00:13:02LITTLE BIT TOO FAR WITH TARIFFS
00:13:03BUT THEY NEED THE TARIFFS TO
00:13:06EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD WITH THE AMERICAN BUSINESSES.
00:13:11HOST: SO YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A
00:13:14LITTLE BIT MORE COMPROMISE AND PERHAPS LESS TARIFFS.
00:13:17THAT'S RICHARD FROM NEW YORK A REPUBLICAN.
00:13:20BETTY FROM GEORGIA A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:13:23CALLER: AN F.
00:13:30ALL EVERYBODY IN THEIR DESERVES AN F.
00:13:34THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
00:13:35HOST: BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.
00:13:38CALLER: THE REPUBLICANS.
00:13:44ANOTHER THING I WANT TO SAY. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYBODY TO
00:13:47THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES.
00:13:49DONALD TRUMP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT
00:13:52NOBODY BUT HIMSELF. AND I'M CAN I TELL YOU
00:13:55SOMETHING, HIS PARENTS WITH THE SAME WAY AS HE IS.
00:14:00THEY DIDN'T TEACH HIM ABOUT MORALS. AND HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE.
00:14:04THAT'S THE REASON HE LIKE HE IS.
00:14:08BECAUSE HIS PARENTS DIDN'T GIVE
00:14:09A DAM ABOUT HIM LIKE HE DOESN'T
00:14:13CARE ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES.
00:14:14HOST: ON TEXT MESSAGE WE HAVE
00:14:18JOSEPH FROM FAYETTEVILLE HE WRITES I GRADE CONGRESS AS INCOMPLETE.
00:14:26OUR NEXT MESSAGE CONGRESS SHOULD NOT GET PAID IF THEY ARE NOT IN SESSION.
00:14:30I WOULD SCORE CONGRESS A SOLID F
00:14:34MINUS. ANDREW FROM GEORGIA AND INDEPENDENT.
00:14:36AND I GIVE CONGRESS AN F.
00:14:40PRICES ARE ALL GOING UP. IT WARNER RUN IS DRIVING UP A
00:14:44NATIONAL DATA. THERE IS NO HOPE IN SIGHT.
00:14:48MIKE AND MINNESOTA. RICKY FROM NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
00:14:52CALLER: GOOD MORNING TO YOU.
00:14:54HOST: WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS?
00:14:57CALLER: I WOULD RATE CONGRESS
00:15:00WOULD GIVE THEM AN F, BOTH
00:15:04SIDES. CALLER: EXPLAIN THAT FOR
00:15:08DEMOCRATS AND YOU BROUGHT THAT IN.
00:15:09HOST: THEY HAVE NOT GOT ENOUGH
00:15:12GUSTS TO STAND UP TO THE REPUBLICANS OR DONALD TRUMP OR ANYBODY ELSE.
00:15:17THEY ARE SCARED OF THAT MAN.
00:15:20HOST: HOW WILL YOU BE VOTING IN NOVEMBER?
00:15:25CALLER: I WILL NOT VOTE -- WE'VE
00:15:33GOT SOME PEOPLE DOWN HERE RUNNING IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT SAID THEY WOULD DO WHAT'S GOOD
00:15:37FOR THE PEOPLE AND WHAT'S NOT
00:15:40GOOD FOR BIG BUSINESS. BIG BUSINESS DICTATES WHAT WE IN THIS NATION.
00:15:43HOST: SO THERE IS AN INCREDIBLY
00:15:50WATCHED SENATE RACE HAPPENING IN YOUR STATE, ROY COOPER VERSUS
00:15:53MICHAEL WHATLEY DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU WILL VOTE IN THAT?
00:15:55CALLER: I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR ROY COOPER.
00:16:00HOST: THAT IS RICKY FROM NORTH CAROLINA.
00:16:06FROM OREGON, DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
00:16:12ANA ARE YOU ON THE LINE? GOOD MORNING HOW WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS?
00:16:16CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THEM AN F.
00:16:23A GROUP IN ARLINGTON VIRGINIA AND I'M HORRIFIED AT WHAT
00:16:26CONGRESS IS DOING. I AM A STRONG DEMOCRAT AND I AM
00:16:30HOPING WE CAN FIND SOME COMMON
00:16:35GROUND BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED IN
00:16:38THE REPUBLICANS MAINLY WE ARE
00:16:41TRYING TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND.
00:16:45I AM ESPECIALLY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR SUPREME COURT. IT IS A HOPELESS CASE WHEN NO
00:16:50ONE IS WILLING TO FOLLOW THE
00:16:54CONSTITUTION. THE WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT BELONG
00:16:59TO DONALD TRUMP. IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE.
00:17:02THE MONEY THAT THEY KEEP SAYING THEY WILL SPEND FOR ALL OF THESE
00:17:06THINGS IS NEVER MENTIONED.
00:17:10MY SISTER SAYS DONALD TRUMP IS
00:17:15GIVEN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF HIS
00:17:16OWN MONEY, WHAT IS HAPPENING
00:17:20THAT WE CANNOT HAVE A FISCAL
00:17:25ACCOUNT OF WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING.
00:17:30CONGRESS IS NOT ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
00:17:34AND IT IS JUST A HOPELESS SITUATION AND IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE.
00:17:37WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR THIS MAN. WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR WHAT IS
00:17:41GOING TO HAPPEN.
00:17:42WE NEED TO SPEAK UP EACH ONE OF
00:17:45US, WE NEED TO CAMPAIGN AND THE
00:17:48ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING US OUT RIGHT NOW ARE THE JUDGES.
00:17:53NOBODY ELSE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR COUNTRY.
00:17:58AND THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SPEAK.
00:18:01HOST: THOMAS MASSIE THE KENTUCKY
00:18:07REPUBLICAN WHO LOST HIS PRIMARY
00:18:08SO THIS WILL BE HIS LAST SESSION
00:18:13IN CONGRESS, HE WAS EXPECTED TO TEE UP A VOTE TO IMPEACH THE
00:18:18DEPARTMENT -- DEFENSE DEPARTMENT
00:18:22SEC. PETE HEGSETH ON THURSDAY THAT VOTE WAS CANCELED BY HOUSE SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON.
00:18:26TAKE A LISTEN HERE ON THE FLOOR ON WEDNESDAY CRITICIZING THE DECISION TO SEND LAWMAKERS HOME
00:18:30EARLY. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:18:36REP. MASSIE:. I'M HERE TO GET JUSTICE FOR THE
00:18:39EPSTEIN VICTIMS, THE SURVIVORS.
00:18:40I AM HERE TO GET THE PRICE OF
00:18:44FOOD AND FUEL DOWN FOR OUR
00:18:49CONSTITUENTS. WE'VE GOT SOLUTIONS WE JUST REFUSED TO PASS.
00:18:53SO WHAT HAPPENED A COUPLE WEEKS
00:18:56AGO IS I INTRODUCED THE EPSTEIN
00:18:58FILES TRANSPARENCY ACT TO DISCHARGE POSITION.
00:19:02AND I PREDICTED THAT THE HOUSE
00:19:07WOULD TAKE DAYS OFF THE CALENDAR IN ORDER TO AVOID A VOTE ON THIS AGAIN.
00:19:11IF YOU REMEMBER A YEAR AGO WE
00:19:15HAD THE EPSTEIN RECESS I CALL IT.
00:19:18MY COLLEAGUE RO KHANNA AND I HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT COLLECTING NAMES.
00:19:21WE WERE TO SIGNATURE SHORT OF
00:19:25218 ON A DISCHARGE PETITION. IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS BODY
00:19:29RECESSED THIS BODY FOR WEEKS TO
00:19:32AVOID SWEARING IN ONE MEMBER THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 218TH VOTE.
00:19:38I WAS HERE, I WAS READY TO WORK,
00:19:42A FULLY PARTICIPATING MEMBER OF CONGRESS.
00:19:46WELL, THE SPEAKERS SAW OTHERWISE
00:19:49THE LEADERSHIP SAW OTHERWISE, CAP CONGRESS SHUT DOWN FOR WEEKS.
00:19:55HOST: REPRESENT OF THOMAS MASSIE OF KENTUCKY. THE DECISION TO SEND LAWMAKERS
00:19:59HOME EARLY HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN A
00:20:03THORN IN THE REPUBLICAN SIDE THROUGHOUT THE SESSION OF CONGRESS.
00:20:07SUSAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA, GOOD MORNING.
00:20:11HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:20:13CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THE
00:20:17REPUBLICANS DEFINITELY AN F, THEY HAVEN'T DONE MUCH FOR THE
00:20:21MIDDLE CLASS AMERICAN SINCE THEY COME TO OFFICE.
00:20:24THEY HAVE NO GUARD RAILS FOR THE PRESIDENT HE JUST DOES WHATEVER
00:20:27HE WANTS AND TAKE ANOTHER RECESS
00:20:32WHEN HE'S ON -- HEGSETH IS ON
00:20:33THE BLOCK, IT'S JUST PATHETIC.
00:20:37HOPEFULLY AFTER THAT HE GETS OUT TO VOTE AND UNDERSTANDS THAT
00:20:40WITH REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE OF CONGRESS, AND NOBODY CAN GET
00:20:44ANYTHING DONE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.
00:20:45HOST: SUSAN FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
00:20:50A DEMOCRAT. DAVID FROM LOUISIANA, AN
00:20:53INDEPENDENT, GOOD MORNING.
00:20:55CALLER: YES MA'AM I WOULD GO TO
00:20:59THE END OF THE ALPHABET.
00:21:02ON PROBABLY -- I AM PROBABLY LIVING PROOF.
00:21:07I'VE LIVING IN LOUISIANA WE HAD PROBLEMS FOR YEARS.
00:21:13SO AS FAR AS CONGRESS GOES, IT'S
00:21:16PRETTY MUCH A SCAM.
00:21:19DONALD TRUMP IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST FAILURES WE'VE EVER SEEN.
00:21:23THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.
00:21:23HOST: DALE FROM NORTH CAROLINA
00:21:28REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS.
00:21:35CALLER: LET'S JUST SAY FOR
00:21:38INSTANCE WE GIVE THEM ALL AN F
00:21:42AND ELECT DEMOCRATS LET'S JUST SAY THAT. LET'S NOT HAVE THE BORDERS
00:21:47OVERRUN, LET'S LET A 25 MORE MILLION PEOPLE IN THERE.
00:21:52LET'S LET THEM DICTATE WHO WINS OUR ELECTIONS.
00:21:55IT DON'T MATTER WHAT THE TRUMP
00:21:57ADMINISTRATION DOES, THE MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA IS NOT
00:22:01GOING TO COVER IT. ALL THE GOOD THEY JUST BRING OUT
00:22:05THE NEGATIVE. IT JUST BLOWS MY MIND.
00:22:08LET'S ABORT BABIES UP TO THE TIME THE TWO MONTHS OLD.
00:22:12YOU SEE THESE DEMOCRATS ARE BRAIN-DEAD. PEOPLE WAKE UP.
00:22:16WAKE UP.
00:22:17HOST: I'M TO ASK YOU AGAIN WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS.
00:22:23CALLER: THEY'RE DONE A LOT OF
00:22:26GOOD STUFF BUT YOU NEVER HEAR IT IF YOU WATCH CNN OR MS NOW ARE
00:22:29ALL THIS OTHER CROP.
00:22:31ALL THE JOBS ARE BROUGHT BACK
00:22:34HERE ALL THE MILLIONS. HOST: REAL PLAYER HIM CLIP BY
00:22:37MIKE FLOOD WHERE HE TOUTS THE
00:22:42ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE CONGRESS. I JUST WANT TO DRILL DOWN COULD YOU GIVE ME A LETTER OR A
00:22:46NUMBER, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK?
00:22:47CALLER: WELL -- I LIKE YOU ON
00:22:52THIS PROGRAM I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL TELL THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
00:22:55IF YOU LIKE THE WAY THINGS GO NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD COMING DOWN THE PIKE.
00:23:01YOU VOTE DEMOCRAT YOU PUT THEM BACK IN THEIR. YOU THINK THE BORDERS ARE
00:23:07OVERRUN IN THE BODY ADMINISTRATION WAS THERE YOU
00:23:10JUST WAIT AND SEE IF THEY DO PUT THEM BACK IN OFFICE WAIT AND SEE.
00:23:14WHAT HAPPENS. IT WILL BE CHAOS ALL OVER AGAIN.
00:23:18HOST: LET'S TURN TO MIKE FLOOD
00:23:21WHO WAS ON C-SPAN EARLIER THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE
00:23:26HOUSE GOP IS THE SESSION. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:23:28>> WE HAVE GOT A LOT DONE.
00:23:33IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CONGRESS WOULD PASS LARGEST TAX CUT IN
00:23:36AMERICAN HISTORY. WE SAY THE ABILITY TO TRANSFER
00:23:40WITH THE EXEMPTION OF FEDERAL ESTATE TAXES.
00:23:43WE INCREASED LOW INCOME TAX CREDITS.
00:23:46AND WE PASSED THE MOST SWEEPING HOUSE LEGISLATION AND 36 YEARS.
00:23:50AND THE ONE THING NOBODY TALKS ABOUT WITH THE DEMOCRATS NOT
00:23:53ONLY IN HOUSING WE PASSED 11.5
00:23:56OF THE 12 APPROPRIATIONS BILLS 60 VOTES.
00:24:01THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE 2017. SO THERE'S REAL RESULTS THERE.
00:24:06WE WILL BE PRODUCTIVE.
00:24:08IF THE HOUSE FALLS IN THE HANDS OF DEMOCRATS WE WILL NOT BE
00:24:12PRODUCTIVE BECAUSE THEIR FOCUS WILL BE ON DONALD TRUMP EVERY DAY.
00:24:15IT WILL NOT BE ABOUT MOVING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FORWARD.
00:24:18IT WILL BE FOCUSING ON TAKING THEM DOWN INVESTIGATING THE
00:24:22FAMILY DOING ALL THESE THINGS THE OTHER PARTY DOES WHEN THEY ARE IN POWER.
00:24:26WHAT IS THEIR PLAN? WHAT ARE THEY UP FOR?
00:24:29WHAT BILLS DO THEY WANT TO PASS. DO YOU KNOW? I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY BILLS
00:24:32THEY WANT TO PASS. DO THEY HAVE A PLAN ON TAXES,
00:24:35THE DEBT, WHAT IS THEIR PLAN?
00:24:37HOST: THAT'S NEBRASKA REPUBLICAN
00:24:42MIKE FLOOD ON WASHINGTON JOURNAL EARLY THIS WEEK TALKING ABOUT
00:24:45THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT THE GOP HAS PASSED SOME BILLS IN TANDEM
00:24:49WITH DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE ASKING YOU THIS MORNING HOW WOULD YOU
00:24:53GRADE CONGRESS. PEGGY FROM DICKINSON, TEXAS A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING.
00:24:57HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS? CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
00:25:03THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON THIS MORNING.
00:25:08I WOULD RATE THE CONGRESS I
00:25:11WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THEM AN F
00:25:16BECAUSE THEY ARE RUN PRIMARILY BY THE REPUBLICANS.
00:25:20THEY HAVE NO REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.
00:25:24THEY ARE MORE DEDICATED TO
00:25:25PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I FEEL THAT
00:25:28OUR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN A ONE MAN
00:25:30WRECKING BALL FOR OUR COUNTRY.
00:25:34HOST: ANDREW FROM NEW JERSEY AND
00:25:39INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING ANDREW.
00:25:40>> YES GOOD MORNING.
00:25:44THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL. I WOULD GIVE CONGRESS I HAVE
00:25:48ALWAYS GIVEN THEM A FAILING
00:25:51GRADE BECAUSE I URGE EVERYBODY
00:25:55IN THIS COUNTRY TO READ A BOOK
00:25:57BY WILLIAM GLIDER, THE BETRAYAL
00:26:03OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.
00:26:07CONGRESS HAS A TWO-YEAR TERM.
00:26:10ONE YEAR THEY LEGISLATE.
00:26:14THE SECOND YEAR THEY RUN FOR REELECTION. THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY IN
00:26:18POLITICS, THEY DO NOT REPRESENT
00:26:21THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIKE PEOPLE THINK THEY DO.
00:26:25AND, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE
00:26:28HAVE TO HOLD THESE INDIVIDUALS ACCOUNTABLE.
00:26:31THEY DON'T COME HOME TO TOWN HALL MEETINGS BECAUSE MY
00:26:36CONGRESSMAN WHEN HE WAS A
00:26:38FRESHMAN WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE. THE LONGER HE STAYED IN WASHINGTON.
00:26:42HOST: WHO'S YOUR CONGRESSMAN?
00:26:44CALLER: HE WAS FRANK PALLONE L.A. OF CHRIS SMITH.
00:26:50WITH THE REDISTRICTING.
00:26:53BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO COMPARE.
00:26:57ONLY AT REELECTION TIME WHEN
00:26:58THEY SAY VOTE FOR ME, I'LL SET
00:27:02YOU FREE. BUT WHAT HAVE THEY BROUGHT TO
00:27:06THE TABLE FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. SOCIAL SECURITY THEY'RE SAYING
00:27:10IS GOING TO BE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY BY 2032.
00:27:15THE ONLY REASONS CAN RUN OUT OF
00:27:18MONEY BECAUSE THEY BEEN PUTTING IOUS IN THE BOX.
00:27:22THEY BETRAYED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
00:27:24NOW MEDICARE WHICH WAS ENACTED
00:27:28IN 1965 A LOT OF SENIORS DEPEND
00:27:32ON MEDICARE FOR HOSPITALIZATION.
00:27:35BUT NOW THEY WANT TO RAISE THE
00:27:38PREMIUMS OF MEDICARE. WHY?
00:27:40HOST: LET ME ASK YOU ANDREW YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE THEM A
00:27:43FAILING GRADE. HE SAID THEY ALWAYS GIVE THEM A
00:27:47FAILING GRADE. THAT APPLIES BOTH WHEN DEMOCRATS ARE IN CHARGE AND REPUBLICANS
00:27:51ARE IN CHARGE. CALLER: WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW
00:27:55IS PLAYING THE BLAME GAME.
00:27:57THE DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST THEIR
00:28:00WAY, THE REPUBLICANS OF LOST THEIR WAY. THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU DON'T
00:28:03HAVE A THIRD PARTY IS THEY DON'T
00:28:08HAVE THE MONEY TO COMPETE WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND
00:28:10REPUBLICAN PARTY AGAINST DARK
00:28:13MONEY WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S
00:28:14COMING FROM AND THESE ADS THESE
00:28:1832ND ADS ON TV THIS IS THE
00:28:22SEASON OF POLITICS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT TELLING ME ANYTHING
00:28:26THEY'RE NOT TELLING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ANYTHING.
00:28:27HOST: THAT IS ANDREW FROM NEW
00:28:32JERSEY. TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BIPARTISAN
00:28:34SENATORS QUOTED IN THAT WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE WE READ
00:28:38EARLIER HE SAYS HOW YOU MEASURE PRODUCTIVITY OF CONGRESS IS
00:28:41TRULY ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOME OF THE METRICS OF THE
00:28:45CURRENT CONGRESS IS WITHIN AVERAGE OF ALL THE CONGRESS IS
00:28:49THAT'S NOT AN OUTLIER BY ANY MEANS.
00:28:52LOOKING AT ANOTHER METRIC OF HOW
00:28:55YOU MEASURE PRODUCTIVITY OF CONGRESS. WE ARE ASKING YOU GUYS WHAT YOU
00:28:58WOULD RATE CONGRESS NOW BUT
00:29:02REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN DISMISSED EARLY AND ARE NOT EXPECTED TO RETURN TO WASHINGTON
00:29:06UNTIL AFTER THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS. DAN FROM OHIO A REPUBLICAN GOOD
00:29:10MORNING.
00:29:10CALLER: OK YEAH I WOULD GIVE
00:29:15THEM A LOW GRADE ALSO, BUT THE REASON WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT
00:29:19DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN DONALD TRUMP CAME INTO OFFICE, EVERY
00:29:24DEMOCRAT OFFICEHOLDER OTHER THAN JOHN FETTERMAN, EVERY SINGLE ONE
00:29:28OF THEM SAID I WILL JUST RESIST
00:29:34TRUMP EVEN ON ISSUES WHICH IS
00:29:39ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS, EVEN ON ISSUES THAT THE DEMOCRATS WERE
00:29:42FOR PREVIOUSLY NOW BECAUSE
00:29:46DONALD TRUMP IS PRESIDENT IT'S OK FOR IRAN TO HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
00:29:52WHEN -- IN THE WORDS OF JOHN FETTERMAN HE SAID EVERY SINGLE
00:29:57DEMOCRAT IN THE PAST HAS
00:30:00EXPRESSED THAT IRAN CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON.
00:30:04AND NOW WHEN SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT
00:30:08IT?
00:30:10NOW -- THEY'RE AGAINST IT.
00:30:14YOU KNOW IF THE DEMOCRATS GET IN
00:30:17AND CONTROL CONGRESS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE OPEN BORDERS AGAIN
00:30:20LIKE WE HAD BEFORE OF COURSE
00:30:23WONDERING TRUMPS ADMINISTRATION, BUT IF YOU LET THE DEMOCRATS
00:30:26BACK IN POWER THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
00:30:30THEY -- THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS
00:30:32WHICH WILL SPEND ALL THE TIME INVESTIGATING TRUMP LIKE THEY'VE
00:30:35DONE BEFORE WITH THESE ACTUALLY
00:30:40THEIR PHONY INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, OUT OF IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL MADE
00:30:44UP.
00:30:46WHEN THEY INVESTIGATED TRUMP AND
00:30:49THEY SAID HOW HE HAD RUSSIAN
00:30:52CONNECTIONS AND ALL THIS IT WAS BS.
00:30:55IT WAS ALL LIES AND IT'S WHAT
00:30:56THEY'RE DOING NOW RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION, LYING ABOUT
00:31:00EVERYTHING. THE REASON THE CONGRESS IS BAD
00:31:04IS BECAUSE ALL THEY DID IS RESIST.
00:31:07THE DEMOCRATS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PLAN AT ALL WHAT THEY'LL DO
00:31:10OTHER THAN SPEND ALL THEIR TIME
00:31:13INVESTIGATING DONALD TRUMP.
00:31:16WE WE COULD MOVE FORWARD IN THIS
00:31:19COUNTRY IF WE GIVE TRUMP THE
00:31:20TOOLS THAT HE NEEDS, A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS DEMOCRATIC
00:31:25SENATE AND STOP ALL THIS
00:31:27RIDICULOUS RESISTING, PUSH THIS
00:31:30COUNTRY FORWARD AND WERE REALLY
00:31:32GOING BACKWARD BACK TO THE DEMOCRATS.
00:31:35HOST: THAT IS DAN A REPUBLICAN FROM OHIO.
00:31:40NORTH CAROLINA, JENNY A DEMOCRAT. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
00:31:43HOST: WHAT GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE CONGRESS?
00:31:47CALLER: WELL I WOULD HAVE TO BE
00:31:50HONEST AND GIVE THEM AN F
00:31:54BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE COME UP
00:31:55WITH A COURSE OF THIS LIKE THIS
00:32:02IMPEACHMENT THEY WANT TO GET RID OF HIM.
00:32:04THEY WANT -- THEY WENT HOME AND
00:32:08TOOK A BREAK. THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
00:32:12THE -- PRESIDENT AND HIS
00:32:18CONNECTION WITH JEFFREY THAT.
00:32:25THAT'S THINGS THAT WE NEED TO KNOW.
00:32:30THE PRESIDENT IN IRAQ AND IRAN
00:32:36WHAT DID HE DO THERE. THE PRICE OF GAS AND OIL RIGHT NOW.
00:32:41SOME OF THEM MAY HAVE TO GO OUT
00:32:42OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE DIESEL PRICE.
00:32:48DONALD TRUMP IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAPPEN TO THIS COUNTRY.
00:32:53A LOT OF CALLS WILL DISAGREE WITH ME. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
00:32:58IN THE TRUTH IS THE WORST THING THAT COULD'VE HAPPENED TO US.
00:33:01HE'S DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN,
00:33:03EVERYTHING THAT HE CAN TO MAKE
00:33:07SURE THAT THE EPSTEIN QUESTION STAYS IN THE BACKGROUND.
00:33:10HOST: JIMMY FROM NORTH CAROLINA
00:33:15ON -- A DEMOCRAT. WE HEARD FROM RICHARD IN LAS VEGAS WHO SAID I WOULD GIVE
00:33:19CONGRESS A B.
00:33:24WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT A SMALLER NUMBER
00:33:26OF BILLS PASSED IS A BAD THING. SOME OF US BELIEVE IN SMALLER
00:33:31GOVERNMENT THAT'S RICHARD FROM LAS VEGAS.
00:33:33JEAN FROM VIRGINIA, A REPUBLICAN
00:33:37GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:33:39CALLER: I SENT A TEXT TO MY
00:33:45REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN VIRGINIA
00:33:46IN MY DISTRICT NOW THAT THE DUTY
00:33:51IS DONE IN WASHINGTON DC WHAT
00:33:54CAN WE AS HIS CONSTITUENTS EXPECT TO SEE HIM IN THE OFFICE
00:33:58HERE IN HIS DISTRICT EVERY DAY.
00:34:03TO REPRESENT US EVERY DAY AND
00:34:04LET US KNOW HIS OFFICE HOURS.
00:34:07IN MY OPINION I THINK THE FULLY
00:34:13INVESTED FOR FIVE YEARS TO 10 YEARS NEEDS TO BE CHANGED FOR THEM TO BE FULLY INVESTED.
00:34:17I'M REALLY YOU'VE GOT THEY'RE
00:34:22NOT DOING ANYTHING.
00:34:25WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO EARN YOUR PAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO
00:34:28REALLY REPRESENT. I THINK THEY DO A LOT OF PHOTO
00:34:31OPS AND THAT SOMETHING WITH WHITMAN.
00:34:36HE HAS THAT WITH THE VETERANS.
00:34:41I'VE YET TO EVEN HAVE WHITMAN TO SEE ME ABOUT SOME ISSUES I'VE
00:34:45HAD WITH HEALTH CARE WITH TRYING TO GET MY DISABILITY RATING.
00:34:51YOU HAVE CHRONIC CONDITIONS REPORTED DIRECTLY RETIRED WITH
00:34:55THEM AND YOU CANNOT GET YOUR RATING.
00:34:59YOU RETIRE WITH THAT ON YOUR
00:35:01RECORD AND IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO
00:35:05EVEN GET A RESPONSE FROM ONE OF
00:35:08HIS CLERKS THEY ARE IN THE OFFICE.
00:35:11NOT BEING VISIBLE NOT BEING ACCOUNTED.
00:35:13I OFTEN WONDER MAYBE WE REALLY
00:35:16NEED TO LOOK AT CONGRESS AND THE NUMBER REPRESENT AS WE HAVE IN
00:35:20CONGRESS AND REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THEIR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING.
00:35:25HOST: JEAN FROM VIRGINIA
00:35:30REPUBLICAN. LISA FROM OHIO A DEMOCRAT GOOD MORNING WHAT WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:35:34CALLER: BORN IN 1960 IN OHIO.
00:35:40I HAVE LIVED THROUGH THE LAST 60 PLUS YEARS.
00:35:42WE HAVE SEEN THE CHANGE FROM MANUFACTURING TO THE FINANCIAL
00:35:46-- FINANCIALS AGE AND OF THE ECONOMY IN THE 80'S AND THE
00:35:50BEGINNING OF EXTREME SUPPLY ECONOMICS WHICH IS WHY THE BIG
00:35:53BEAUTIFUL BILL IS IMPACTING OUR YIELD RATES.
00:35:59SO TALK ABOUT THE GOP THEY GET A
00:36:03FAILURE FOR THE DON'T WANT TO GOVERN.
00:36:04THEY PUT OUT THIS INFORMATION TO
00:36:09GASLIGHT US THERE'S NO CHECK ON POWER.
00:36:11THEY HAVE NOT CHECKED TRUMP ONCE IN CONGRESS.
00:36:15UNDER OBAMA WE HAD THE GANG OF
00:36:17EIGHT IMMIGRATION BILL THAT JOHN
00:36:20BOEHNER IS NOT TO BRING TO THE FLOOR TO GIVE HIM A WIN BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION.
00:36:26SAME THING DON'T ANYONE TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BORDER.
00:36:29OBAMA DEPORTED MORE PEOPLE AT
00:36:3240% OF THOSE PEOPLE WERE CRIMINALS.
00:36:35UNLIKE TRUMP 5% PUTTING MONEY IN
00:36:36PRIVATE PRISONS FOR DETENTION
00:36:39CENTERS THAT WERE ALL PAYING FOR .
00:36:42PLEASE DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT IMMIGRATION. IF NOTHING BUT FEAR MONGERING OF
00:36:47IMMIGRANTS. I'M SORRY FOLKS MIGRATION AND
00:36:51THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY AND ALL
00:36:53THE EGOS OF PUTIN, TRUMP, ISRAEL
00:37:01, THEY ARE CAUSING EVERY PROBLEM.
00:37:04TRUMP IS DESTROYING EVERY INSTITUTION, A RULE OF LAW,
00:37:08EVERY NORM AND THESE PEOPLE IN SILOS AND LISTEN TO
00:37:13DISINFORMATION AND PROPAGANDA. LET'S DEAL WITH REALITY HERE.
00:37:14HOST: JOHN FROM CALIFORNIA, AN
00:37:20INDEPENDENT GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE CONGRESS THIS SESSION?
00:37:23CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
00:37:27IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.
00:37:29I WOULD GIVE IT AN F.
00:37:32IT'S NOTHING BUT A LAPTOP FOR DONALD TRUMP AND MIKE JOHNSON.
00:37:36MIKE JOHNSON IS JUST AN EXCUSE
00:37:39FOR ITS AMOUNT OF TIME. AND HASN'T BEEN IN CONGRESS VERY LONG.
00:37:45WHAT BLOWS MY MIND IS THAT
00:37:47CONGRESS IS NOTHING BUT A RUBBER STAMP OR DONALD TRUMP.
00:37:51THERE IS NO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF
00:37:56TRADERS BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS JUST FAILED TO OBEY THEIR
00:38:00CONSTITUTIONAL DEPEND -- DEFEND AND PROTECT OUR CONSTITUTION.
00:38:05SO I GIVE THEM A BIG F AND I
00:38:07CANNOT WAIT UNTIL THE NOVEMBER
00:38:11THIRD ELECTIONS SO THAT WE CAN CHANGE A BUNCH OF STUFF AND TRY
00:38:16TO SET THIS SUPER CORRUPT WHEEL
00:38:20IN THE RIGHT PATH AGAIN.
00:38:25HOST: JORDAN FROM LAKEWOOD HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS CONGRESS?
00:38:29CALLER: I THINK YOU LOOK FOR
00:38:34POINTS AND HOW YOU GRADE CONGRESS.
00:38:36AND I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO THE
00:38:39ECONOMY THEY GET A B BECAUSE YOU
00:38:42LOOK AT THE ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL ACT.
00:38:45NO TAX ON TIPS, THAT'S A HUGE THING.
00:38:52NUMBER TWO I LOOK AT IMMIGRATION. AND THEY'VE DONE VERY WELL.
00:38:58MY UNCLE WAS A PROFESSOR AT PENN STATE.
00:39:01WHEN HE SAID THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE
00:39:07CAN GET. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
00:39:09AND I THINK THAT RINGS TRUE.
00:39:17HOST: OK?
00:39:19SO WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER TWO HE SAID ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION WHAT ELSE.
00:39:25I THINK HE HUNG UP THERE. CARMEN FROM FLORIDA A DEMOCRAT
00:39:29GOOD MORNING. HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS
00:39:33CONGRESS?
00:39:37CALLER: I'D GIVE THEM A DON'T
00:39:41KNOW AN E PLUS, A D.
00:39:45I FEEL IT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE IN CONGRESS THAT WANT TO DO THE
00:39:50RIGHT THING. AND THEY ARE BEING BLOCKED BY
00:39:54THE MAJORITY. I FEEL SORRY FOR THE REPUBLICAN VOTER OUT THERE.
00:39:59THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE
00:40:03THIS SKI SEEMS TO BE GOING ON.
00:40:05I DON'T KNOW HOW MIKE JOHNSON SLEEPS AT NIGHT.
00:40:10SUPPOSEDLY A CHRISTIAN. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW HE DOES IT.
00:40:14THEY'RE NOT EVEN AT WORK.
00:40:16AND WERE GIVING THEM SO MUCH
00:40:21MONEY THEY HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH CARE THEY HAVE SO MUCH THEY'RE
00:40:24ABLE TO GET STOCK MARKET TRADING. IT IS RIDICULOUS WITH THE
00:40:28CORRUPTION. I THINK WE NEED TO GET MONEY OUT
00:40:32OF POLITICS.
00:40:34SO YOU HAVE CONGRESS OUT NOW.
00:40:37YOU HAVE CORPORATE PEOPLE, OUR
00:40:41CONGRESSPEOPLE ARE NOT MAKING THE DECISIONS. THE CORPORATE PEOPLE ARE.
00:40:44THEY'RE TWEAKING ALL THE BILLS THAT THEY DO. IN FAVOR FOR THEM.
00:40:48SO THEY DID DO A COUPLE THINGS GOOD. .
00:40:51HOST: WHAT IS THIS CONGRESS DONE
00:40:55LED BY REPUBLICANS THAT YOU LIKE. >> THAT I LIKE?
00:41:09HERE'S MY NEXT RESPONSE. THE BAD STUFF THAT THEY DID IS
00:41:12SO OVERWHELMING.
00:41:14THEIR JOB IS TO KEEP THE
00:41:19PRESIDENCY IN CONTROL OF THE
00:41:20FLOW OF THE PRESIDENT THE COURT
00:41:24AND THE CONGRESS. IT'S A THREE BRANCH PARTY HERE.
00:41:27AND THEY'RE JUST ALLOWING THE
00:41:29PRESIDENCY TO BE OVERRUN. THE CORRUPTION IS RUNNING
00:41:34RAMPANT. ONE BLESSING BEFORE YOU HANG UP ON ME.
00:41:37I AM BLOWN AWAY THAT THEY ARE
00:41:41STOPPING CNN AND POLITICO I
00:41:44DON'T LISTEN TO AN MS NOW OUT OF
00:41:46ALL OF THIS WHEN IN REALITY THEY
00:41:49ARE THE ONES PROBABLY FACT CHECKING THEIR INFORMATION AND
00:41:53THE REPUBLICANS ARE HEARING ALL THESE LIES SO WHEN HE SAYS IT'S
00:41:55FAKE NEWS, IT'S THE OPPOSITE, HE
00:42:00FLIPPED IT AROUND. EVERYTHING THAT HE CLAIMS THE
00:42:03DEMOCRATS ARE DOING THEY ARE DOING THEMSELVES.
00:42:05HOST: LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO
00:42:11REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FROM
00:42:13INDIANA WHO IN SPEAKING TO
00:42:16WASHINGTON JOURNAL EARLY THIS WEEK WAS TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS OF DONE ON THE
00:42:20ECONOMY PARTICULARLY WITH A
00:42:22FOCUS ON DATA ENERGY, DATA CENTERS AND ENERGY COSTS. [VIDEO CLIP]
00:42:26>> I SUPPORT THAT PARTICULAR
00:42:30BILL AND ONE THING WE DO KNOW WERE ALL GUILTY OF IT AS
00:42:34CONSUMERS IF YOU HAVE A SMART PHONE AND YOU HAVE AN APPLE
00:42:38PHONE OR AN ANDROID, SO MUCH OF
00:42:42OUR SYSTEM IS RUN ON THESE DATA CENTERS.
00:42:44WE DON'T HAVE THOSE PROCESSORS ON THE BACKSIDE OF OUR PHONES ANYMORE.
00:42:50IT IS ALL GOING BACK TO A CLOUD
00:42:53SYSTEM TO THESE DATA CENTERS INTO TAKES A LOT OF ENERGY.
00:42:56WE SAW THAT IN INDIANA WHERE
00:42:58THERE IS A LARGE GOOGLE FACILITY
00:43:01THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT THE RATES GOING UP. BECAUSE OF THE USAGE.
00:43:07THE GOVERNOR IN INDIANA AND
00:43:08OTHERS SAYING IF YOU'RE GOING TO MANUFACTURE A DATA CENTER YOU
00:43:13HAVE TO PROVIDE YOUR OWN ELECTRICITY AND WHAT GOOGLE
00:43:16OFFICIALS TOLD ME WAS THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO BUILD OUT NEW
00:43:20PRODUCTION, A NEW ENERGY PRODUCTION FOR THEIR FACILITY
00:43:23AND ALSO PUT IT BACK ON THE GRID TO KEEP RATES DOWN.
00:43:27THIS CAN BE A NET POSITIVE FOR RATEPAYERS AND CONSUMERS WITH
00:43:31MORE ENERGY PRODUCTION. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A LONG TIME IS THAT
00:43:36WE NEED TO EXPAND PRODUCTION AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO
00:43:39NUCLEAR AND MODULAR REACTORS
00:43:42THAT TECHNOLOGY IS VERY CLOSE,
00:43:45PERMITS BEING FILED WITH THE
00:43:46FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO INSTALL
00:43:50SMALL MODULAR REACTORS. THAT WILL HELP BRING ON MORE
00:43:52ENERGY TO THE GRID THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR ALL OF US.
00:43:55HOST: INDIANA REPUBLICAN MARLIN
00:44:00STUTZMAN TALKING ABOUT THE RATEPAYER PROTECTION ACT. THE BILL PROPOSED IN CONGRESS
00:44:04WOULD MANDATE DATA CENTERS PAY
00:44:08IN TWO FACILITIES IN THE GRID
00:44:11NETWORKS ACROSS THE DATA
00:44:15CENTERS.
00:44:18GOOD MORNING JOHN.
00:44:20I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD GRADE THIS SO FAR.
00:44:23CALLER: I WOULD GIVE THEM AN A.
00:44:27I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. THEY CASHED THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL.
00:44:32MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IS THE HIGHEST IT'S EVER BEEN.
00:44:35CHILD POVERTY IS THE LOWEST IT'S EVER BEEN. GEEZ I DON'T HEAR ABOUT THAT MUCH FROM YOU GUYS.
00:44:39I HEARD ABOUT IN BIDEN'S IN CHARGE AND THINGS WERE GOING BAD
00:44:43THAT WERE DOING BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD. WELL GUESS WHAT WERE DOING
00:44:47BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AND I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
00:44:50OUR INTEREST RATES ARE LOWER OUR GDP IS HIGHER. SO WHO'S DOING BETTER THAN US?
00:44:56PLUS I HEAR ABOUT HOW OBAMA I
00:44:59MEAN TRUMP IN IRAQ AND IT'S COSTING US MONEY.
00:45:03WHAT HAPPENED WHEN OBAMA BOUND FOR EIGHT STRAIGHT MONTHS.
00:45:07DID THAT DEPLETE OUR ARMS? I DON'T THINK SO RIGHT FOR YOU
00:45:11GUYS DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT.
00:45:14AND WHAT HE DID FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS NOW WE'VE BEEN IN
00:45:17THIS WAR FOR TWO MONTHS. HOST: LET ME REDIRECT YOU TO THE QUESTION.
00:45:22SO YOU WOULD GIVE CONGRESS IN A.
00:45:25ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS IN CONGRESS THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT YOU LIKE?
00:45:28CALLER: I LIKE EVERYTHING THAT
00:45:31THEY'VE DONE BUT THE DEMOCRATS ARE FIGHTING WE DON'T HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY.
00:45:35THE LEFT-WING HAD A SUPER MAJORITY DURING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
00:45:39THEY PASSED OBAMACARE WHICH
00:45:41SCREWED EVERYBODY IN THE PRICE OF HEALTH CARE WENT UP 100 50%
00:45:45AND THERE BUT IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ONE
00:45:48REPUBLICAN VOTE SO WHEN THEY LEFT POWER.
00:45:51WE HAD SUPER MAJORITY EVER FOR
00:45:55THE REPUBLICANS SINCE BUSH DURING 9/11 SO SINCE WE DON'T
00:45:59HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY WE CAN JUST PUSH THINGS THROUGH SO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU KEEP LETTING
00:46:01DEMOCRATS SAY YOU HAVE THE POWER
00:46:04YOU HAVE THE CHAMBERS, NO WE DON'T. SO CUT IT OUT. YOU GUYS TRY TO BE FAIR.
00:46:12CHANGING LIKE THEIR REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION.
00:46:14HOST: THE WASHINGTON SUN IS A
00:46:17REAL NEWS ORGANIZATION AND
00:46:20REPUBLICANS DO CONTROL BOTH THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE
00:46:24SENATE AND THE WHITE HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
00:46:29SUE B FROM WHINING NEW JERSEY. I WANT TO BASE THE GRADE OF
00:46:33CONGRESS ON THE DEBT CLOCK THAT IS THE NATIONAL DEBT I WOULD
00:46:37GIVE THEM AN F.
00:46:40BILLY FROM TEXAS SAYS I WOULD
00:46:43RATE THIS CONGRESS AN F BECAUSE
00:46:46THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO HELP THE ECONOMY.
00:46:49RANDY FROM WISCONSIN A REPUBLICAN GOOD MORNING, HOW WOULD YOU RATE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:46:54CALLER: REAL GOOD FOR THE
00:46:59REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DO.
00:47:02GETTING A BIG KICK OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS CALLING IN GIVING IT
00:47:04AN F BECAUSE THEY'RE DEALING WITH THEIR OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY
00:47:07AND F, HAHA.
00:47:11AND THIS EPSTEIN BILL. IT'S NOT GETTING RELEASED
00:47:16BECAUSE WE KNOW TRUMP IS NOT ON IT THEY'RE TRYING TO THINK THEY
00:47:19CAN GET SOMETHING ON TRUMP BUT
00:47:2199% OF THE PEOPLE ON THAT WERE DEMOCRATS.
00:47:25IT'S NOT COMING OUT AND NEVER WILL COME OUT.
00:47:28AS FAR AS GAS PRICES, LIQUID JOE
00:47:31BIDEN FIVE DOLLARS A GALLON
00:47:34THREE QUARTERS OF THE RESERVE DOWN.
00:47:38AND THERE WAS NO WAR THERE WAS
00:47:42NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON
00:47:44C-SPAN IS WHY -- WHAT IF ONE OF
00:47:50THE THINGS THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE FOR?
00:47:55NOTHING. HAVE A GREAT DAY.
00:47:57HOST: GEORGE FROM TEXAS, A
00:48:04DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING GEORGE.
00:48:08WHAT GRADE WOULD YOU GIVE CONGRESS. CALLER: I WOULD RATE THIS
00:48:13CONGRESS AND ABSENT.
00:48:14THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF TARIFFS
00:48:18.
00:48:19THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH
00:48:24TARIFFS. THE TARIFFS DESTROYED MY JOB,
00:48:27THEY'VE BEEN ABSENT ON THE ECONOMY.
00:48:29WE'VE SEEN THE DEFICIT IN 18 MONTHS SPIKE OVER $3 TRILLION
00:48:35MORE WITH NO PLANS TO ATTACK THE DEFICIT.
00:48:38THEY SAID THEY WERE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE DEFICIT AND
00:48:41THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
00:48:43THE ELON MUSK WITH THE CHAINSAW
00:48:46BEEN THE CUT 500,000 JOBS IN THE GOVERNMENT.
00:48:49THEY WONDER WHY WE HAVE NO
00:48:52OVERSEAS POLICIES, NO EUROPE
00:48:55POLICIES WHILE THEY SLASHED HALF
00:49:00THE WORKFORCE OUT OF THE STATE.
00:49:02SO I WOULD JUST SAY THEY ARE
00:49:05ABSENT, THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING. ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT CALL IN
00:49:10AND SAY LOOK AT WHAT THE HORRIBLE THINGS THAT WERE CAN HAPPEN WHEN DEMOCRATS GET IN
00:49:15CHARGE, WILL REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE IN THE STATE OF
00:49:19TEXAS FOR 30 YEARS AND THIS
00:49:22GOVERNOR HAS CLOSED 170 PUBLIC
00:49:26SCHOOLS.
00:49:30THEY DON'T DEFUND THE POLICE, EDUCATION.
00:49:36THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO
00:49:38IF YOU LEAVE THEM IN CONTROL THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY OUR
00:49:42EDUCATION SYSTEM.
00:49:43I HAVE ONE MORE THING TO SAY.
00:49:46EVERYBODY WHO CALLS IN AND SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT THE NETWORKS AND
00:49:50WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO THE NETWORKS AND DENYING ACCESS TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
00:49:54WHAT WOULD YOU DO PEOPLE? DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS
00:49:58LISTENING WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF
00:49:59THE PRESIDENT BARRED C-SPAN FROM
00:50:04PARTICIPATING OR C-SPAN ACCESS TO THE HOUSE, TO THE SENATE OR
00:50:07THE WHITE HOUSE? C-SPAN IS A TV NETWORK JUST LIKE
00:50:11ALL THOSE OTHER NETWORKS.
00:50:12WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF THEY BARRED C-SPAN?
00:50:16THANKS FOR LISTENING AND TAKING MY CALL.
00:50:17HOST: JOHN FROM LOUISIANA, AN
00:50:21INDEPENDENT, HOW WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS? CALLER: I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE
00:50:24THEM A B AND IT'S JUST AMAZING
00:50:31THAT THE MEDIA NEVER TALKED ABOUT INFLATION BEING 9% HUNTER
00:50:36BIDEN, EGGS COSTING OVER FIVE DOLLARS A DOZEN.
00:50:41THERE TWO DOLLARS A DOZEN NOW.
00:50:44THEY ARE JUST -- THEY DON'T
00:50:48REALIZE THAT BRINGING PRICES
00:50:50DOWN IS SO MUCH HARDER THAN --
00:50:54THE PRICE GOING UP. HOST: CAN I ASK WHY YOU WOULD
00:50:57GIVE CONGRESS A B? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE THAT THEY
00:51:01LIKE. -- WHAT HAVE THEY DONE THAT YOU LIKED.
00:51:05CALLER: THE FACT THAT THEY
00:51:09AREN'T TRYING TO OVER REGULATE EVERYTHING.
00:51:12I'M AN INDEPENDENT, I BELIEVE IN
00:51:14SMALL GOVERNMENT AND IT'S JUST
00:51:18AMAZING, THIS LAST MANAGER SPOKE ABOUT VACATION.
00:51:24DO YOU REALIZE NEW YORK SPENDS
00:51:27$50,000 A YEAR PER CHILD IN
00:51:29PUBLIC SCHOOLS?
00:51:33IT'S NOT FUNDING ITS POLICIES,
00:51:36YOU HAVE TO PUT POLICIES TOGETHER THAT ACTUALLY EDUCATE THE CHILDREN.
00:51:39HOST: SO YOU LIKE THE LACK OF
00:51:43REGULATION PLUS THE WHITE HOUSE IS DONE.
00:51:45CALLER: ALLOW BUSINESS TO
00:51:50OPERATE ON ONE OTHER THING, THE
00:51:51FEDERAL RESERVE, THE LARGEST
00:51:56REASONS PRICES HAVE MAINTAINED AND BEEN CAP SO HIGH.
00:52:01PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO -- EVERY
00:52:03BUSINESS THEIR INVENTORY IS FINANCED SO WHEN YOU'RE PAYING
00:52:07DOUBLE THE INTEREST RATE OR TRIPLE THE INTEREST RATE THAT
00:52:10YOU USED TO PAY UNDER THE FIRST
00:52:14TO TRUMP THE INTEREST RATE WAS
00:52:162% NOW IT'S AT 6, 7, 8.
00:52:22YOU JUST DOUBLED THE PRICE OF EVERY PIECE OF INVENTORY.
00:52:28HOST: THANKS FOR CALLING IN.
00:52:32BRIAN FROM MICHIGAN, REPUBLICAN. I WOULD YOU GRADE THIS SESSION OF CONGRESS?
00:52:35CALLER: THE GENTLEMAN FROM TEXAS
00:52:38WAS PRETTY MUCH RIGHT ON.
00:52:41THE POINTS HE MADE WERE SALIENT
00:52:43AND VALID AND DESERVE SOME
00:52:49LOOKING INTO. SOME OF THESE OTHER CALLERS I'M
00:52:52UPSET WITH THE FACT THEY KEEP LOOKING IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR.
00:52:55BIDEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT, TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT, THE BUCK STOPS HERE.
00:53:00THEY NEED TO QUIT WHINING ABOUT YESTERDAY AND LOOK TO TODAY AND
00:53:05TOMORROW AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS WHITE HOUSE.
00:53:12BACK TO THE SUBJECT CONGRESS IS NONEXISTENT.
00:53:16I CAN TAKE OFF FOR MONTHS OF THE
00:53:18YEAR AND GET PAID.
00:53:21WHENEVER THEY PASS BOTH SIDES, CALLED IN THE REPUBLICAN LINE
00:53:24BUT SOON TO BE DEMOCRAT. IT'S RIDICULOUS WHAT THEY ALLOW
00:53:27THIS MAN TO GET AWAY WITH. I CANNOT WAIT TO VOTE FOR
00:53:32DEMOCRATS AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY CALL.
00:53:36PEOPLE NEED TO REALLY THINK
00:53:36ABOUT WHAT IT IS THEY SAY.
00:53:40THE FACTS ARE ALL AROUND THEM.
00:53:41HOST: I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT
00:53:47THE NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL WAS RELEASED ON SEPTEMBER 15 JUST A FEW DAYS AGO HERE.
00:53:52THE QUESTION IS REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU MIGHT VOTE PLEASE TELL
00:53:55ME WHICH PARTY YOU TRUST TO DO A
00:53:57BETTER JOB HANDLING EACH OF THE
00:54:01FOLLOWING. IT LISTS THINGS LIKE HEALTH
00:54:04CARE, THAT IS AND IT IS THE
00:54:07VOTERS TRUST DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS ON KEY ISSUES.
00:54:11THAT IS INDEED PLUS 24 TOPIC BUT
00:54:15HIS LIST IT ON THIS.
00:54:17IMMIGRATION, 52% D+ PLUS SEVEN.
00:54:20THE DEFICIT 3% D PLUS 10.
00:54:2651% D PLUS SEVEN. THAT IS A NEW YORK TIMES SIENA
00:54:29POLL THAT YOU CAN FIND.
00:54:33AGAIN, HERE IT IS VOTERS TRUST
00:54:36DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON YOUR SCREEN RIGHT NOW.
00:54:40JUST TAKE A LOOK SINCE THE LAST
00:54:42CALLER MENTIONED THE ELECTION.
00:54:46THAT IS A KEY ISSUE HEADING IN
00:54:50TO NOVEMBER. FAYETTEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA DEMOCRAT, GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING DOROTHY.
00:54:56WHAT WOULD YOU GRADE THIS CONGRESS?
00:54:59CALLER: WELL INTO PARTS.
00:55:03I WOULD GIVE THE REPUBLICANS
00:55:05EXCUSE ME, AN F AND IT WOULD
00:55:08GIVE THE DEMOCRATS AN A.
00:55:12THEY HAVE CONGRESS AND THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING FOR THE
00:55:17AMERICAN PEOPLE. EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE IN
00:55:20TATTERS. NOTHING IS COMPLETE.
00:55:23THEY ARE TRYING TO GET RID OF
00:55:25VOTING RIGHTS ACT AND I WOULD
00:55:29LOVE FOR THE PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT
00:55:33THIS SAVE AMERICA ACT IS MORE
00:55:37ABOUT ID. IT'S ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER
00:55:41THINGS. AND THEY ARE THE ONES, THE
00:55:43REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONES DOING
00:55:47ALL THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S
00:55:50WHAT THE DEMOCRATS WILL DO. I BELIEVE THAT THE DEMOCRATS
00:55:53WILL DO OVERSIGHT THAT'S WHAT
00:55:55THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, BUT THE
00:55:58REPUBLICANS ARE JUST DOING ALL
00:56:01OF THESE UNNECESSARY INVESTIGATIONS. SO I WILL GIVE THE DEMOCRATS AN
00:56:05A BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING THEIR
00:56:08BEST TO HOLD UP THE CONGRESS AND
00:56:11THE REPUBLICANS ARE JUST CARRIE
00:56:14-- TEARING EVERYTHING APART FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, JUST EVERYTHING.
00:56:18HOST: WE HAVE TO GO TO BREAK NOW.
00:56:22I HAVE SAID IF THEY WERE TO
00:56:25RETURN TO POWER POLICE THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES THEY WOULD
00:56:28LAUNCH A BEVY OF INVESTIGATIONS AGAINST THE TRUMP
00:56:32ADMINISTRATION. LATER THIS MORNING ON THE WASHINGTON JOURNAL AUTHOR LAW
00:56:37PROFESSOR AND LEGAL CORRESPONDENT KIM WHALEY
00:56:40DISCUSSES THE SUPREME COURT'S LATEST RULING ON MAIL-IN BALLOTS
00:56:42THE HEAD OF THE 2020 SIX MIDTERM ELECTIONS.
00:56:46IN JOINING US AFTER THE BREAK, ABUNDANCE INSTA BUTTE --
00:56:50INSTITUTE DISCUSSES EFFORTS IN WASHINGTON ON AI OVERSIGHT AND
00:56:53HOW LEGISLATION COULD IMPACT THE U.S. DOMINANCE OF THE INDUSTRY.
00:56:57STAY WITH US.
00:57:03>> YOU ARE WATCHING C-SPAN.
00:57:08DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
00:57:11>> YOU LOOK BACK ON WHAT YOU'VE
00:57:15ACHIEVED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT MAKES YOU THE HAPPIEST OF WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED SO FAR?
00:57:19>> THIS INTERVIEW WAS THE APEX.
00:57:21>> HOW COME HE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY?
00:57:25>> PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID I MADE A
00:57:29MISTAKE >> THE FIRST TIME. >>>> THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.
00:57:31>> YOUR FIRST BOOK WAS CALLED A TIME TO KILL.
00:57:35HOW MANY TURNED THAT DOWN. >> ALL OF THEM.
00:57:41>> WHEN YOU GO TO THE OSCARS
00:57:44EVERYBODY SAYS THERE'S THE AUTHOR. >> ALL THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE GO
00:57:48THIS WAY, MAY HAVE ANOTHER PATH WHERE THE PEOPLE LIKE I GO.
00:57:51>> I INTERVIEWED A GUY WHO LIVED WITH WOLVES.
00:57:55>> IS IT SAFE TO DO THAT?
00:57:58>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.
00:58:10>> IN A DIVIDED MEDIA WORLD, ONE
00:58:15PLACE BRINGS AMERICANS TOGETHER. ACCORDING TO A NEW RESEARCH
00:58:19REPORT NEARLY NINE MILLION AMERICANS TURNED TO C-SPAN.
00:58:22THEY ARE ALMOST PERFECTLY
00:58:24BALANCED 28% CONSERVATIVE, 27 PERCENT LIBERAL OR PROGRESSIVE,
00:58:2841% MODERATE.
00:58:31REPUBLICANS WATCHING DEMOCRATS, DEMOCRATS WATCHING REPUBLICANS,
00:58:35MODERATES WATCHING BOTH SIDES. C-SPAN VIEWERS WANT THE FACTS
00:58:39STRAIGHT FROM THE SOURCE. NO COMMENTARY, AND NO AGENDA
00:58:43JUST DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED EVERY DAY ON THE C-SPAN NETWORKS.
00:58:45>> WASHINGTON JOURNAL CONTINUES.
00:58:48HOST: DISCUSSING THE AI INDUSTRY
00:58:53AND POTENTIAL LEGISLATION IS THE
00:58:56FORMER TRADE COMMISSIONER AND OBJECT ACTIVE CHIEF ECONOMIST
00:59:00AND AHEAD -- AND AT THE
00:59:04ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
00:59:06FOR OUR VIEWERS CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE
00:59:10AND WHAT POSITION DOES IT TAKE WHEN IT COMES TO OVERSIGHT OF
00:59:14AI. GUEST: THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE
00:59:17IS A NONPARTISAN NONPROFIT
00:59:22THAT'S VERY FOCUSED ON EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES.
00:59:25SO WE BELIEVE TECHNOLOGY HAS
00:59:28BEEN THE PRIMARY DRIVER OF WIDESPREAD HUMAN PROSPERITY IS
00:59:32THE PAST 200 YEARS, WE THINK THAT CONTINUES.
00:59:35CAN CONTINUE BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN JUST BY ITSELF.
00:59:39IT TAKES A POLICY ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS EXPERIMENTATION,
00:59:42PRODUCTS TO BE BUILT INTO TAKES
00:59:45A CULTURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT EMBRACES INNOVATION RATHER THAN FEARS IT.
00:59:49WHEN TO COMES TO A TECHNOLOGY LIKE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
00:59:52IT'S A POWERFUL TOOL. WE THINK IS A GENERAL-PURPOSE
00:59:56TECHNOLOGY WAS A LOT OF LAW THAT APPLIES TO IT. THERE MIGHT BE SOME GAPS THAT
00:59:59NEED TO BE FILLED BUT OVERALL WE ARE STILL FIGURING OUT THE DIE
01:00:03MENTIONS OF THIS TOOL AND HOW POWERFUL IT IS AND THE BENEFITS
01:00:07IT CAN BRING. I THINK OUR POLICY NEEDS TO REFLECT THAT.
01:00:11IT NEEDS TO NOT BE OVERREACTIVE, HE NEEDS TO BE CALIBRATED TO THE
01:00:15ACTUAL RISKS WE ARE SEEING AND
01:00:17IT NEEDS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT
01:00:20THAT THERE ARE HUGE UPSIDES TO
01:00:22THIS THAT COULD BE FILLED IF TH-
01:00:32A SENSE OF ADVENTURE AND WANTING TO GET THE BEST BENEFITS OUT OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
01:00:35HOST: A THEME IN WASHINGTON OVER
01:00:38THE LAST WEEK HAS BEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP REJECTING CALLS FOR AN AI
01:00:42SLOWDOWN AND CALLS FOR RIGOROUS
01:00:44OVERSIGHT OVER AI INNOVATION, IN
01:00:47PART BECAUSE OF THE RACE WITH CHINA.
01:00:50I WONDER, NEIL, DO YOU BELIEVE
01:00:53THE PRESIDENT IS CORRECT OR ARE PEOPLE LIKE THE TECH LEADERS WHO
01:00:56SAY THEY WANT MORE REGULATION, ARE THEY RIGHT?
01:00:58GUEST: I THINK THE DICHOTOMY
01:01:04THERE IS COMPLICATED. AS A GENERAL PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY,
01:01:07THERE ARE SOME RISKS. I THINK WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS
01:01:10BEEN REJECTING IS THIS CALL FOR
01:01:14A VERY INVASIVE TYPE OF
01:01:16GOVERNMENT WATCHING OVER EVERY
01:01:20ENTREPRENEURS SHOULDER TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS STAYING AT
01:01:24THE SAME PACE. THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU SET THAT PACE?
01:01:27THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT THAT
01:01:28SETTING A PACE LIKE THAT IS
01:01:31DIFFICULT AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT AND WE DON'T WANT TO
01:01:34FAVOR JUST THE BIGGEST COMPANIES WHO ARE ALREADY LEADING IN THIS
01:01:38SPACE. AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE FACT THAT IF WE SET THE PACE
01:01:41HERE IN THE U.S., THAT PACE IS NOT GOING TO BE SET IN THE REST OF THE WORLD.
01:01:45AND SO OTHER PEOPLE WILL BE RUNNING TO CATCH UP.
01:01:48I THINK HE'S RIGHT THAT AMERICAN
01:01:50LEADERSHIP AND AI IS IMPORTANT. IT'S NECESSARY AND THAT WE NEED
01:01:55TO ADDRESS RISKS, BUT THIS IDEA
01:01:58THAT WE ALL NEED TO SLOW DOWN
01:02:00WITH THE GOVERNMENT'S REQUIREMENT I THINK IS NOT RIGHT.
01:02:04THESE COMPANIES NEED TO DELIVER
01:02:08SAFE PRODUCTS. IF THEY INDIVIDUALLY NEED TO SLOW DOWN TO DO THAT, THEY SHOULD.
01:02:13HAVING THE GOVERNMENT IN THERE AND TELLING EVERYBODY TO SLOW DOWN AND MAKING SURE NOBODY RUNS
01:02:17AHEAD I THINK IS A PROBLEM. HOST: DO YOU TRUST THESE COMPANIES TO REGULATE
01:02:21THEMSELVES?
01:02:22ANTHROPIC, SOME OF THESE OTHER
01:02:26FOUNDING AI FIRMS HAVE EXPRESSED A NEED FOR OVERSIGHT AFTER SOME
01:02:29OF THESE MORE RECENT "DOOMSDAY"
01:02:34ADDICTIONS. ONE, DO YOU BELIEVE THEY CAN REGULATE THEMSELVES?
01:02:37AND IF NOT, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE COMPANIES REACHING OUT AND SAYING WE WOULD LIKE SOME
01:02:41GUARDRAILS? GUEST: COMPANIES CAN'T REGULATE
01:02:45THEMSELVES. WHAT REGULATES THEM IS MARKETS,
01:02:48CONSUMERS, WHAT CONSUMERS DEMAND. AND ALSO THE RISK OF LIABILITY
01:02:51FOR THINGS THAT GO WRONG. AND THE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOK.
01:02:57-- BOOKS.
01:02:57I SORT OF REJECT THE PREMISE.
01:03:01THESE COMPANIES NEED TO DELIVER SAFE PRODUCTS. THEIR CUSTOMERS WANT SAY
01:03:04PRODUCTS THAT THEY KNOW ARE GOING TO USE THEIR DATA IN A
01:03:08PROPER WAY AND ARE NOT GOING TO MESS UP THE EXISTING SYSTEMS THAT THEY HAVE.
01:03:11IF THEY DO -- IF THEIR SYSTEMS
01:03:15DO GO BAD AND THEY DO CAUSE HARM, THEY WILL BE LIABLE AND BE
01:03:18ON THE HOOK FOR THAT. THEN THERE'S ALL SORTS OF
01:03:21EXISTING LAWS THAT APPLY FOR EXAMPLE WHEN YOU USE AI IN A
01:03:25MEDICAL ENVIRONMENT OR IN A TRANSPORTATION ENVIRONMENT. THESE COMPANIES NEED TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THAT.
01:03:30AND SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF LEADING THEM TO GOVERN THEMSELVES.
01:03:34THE QUESTION IS DO THEY HAVE THE INCENTIVES TO CREATE SAFE PRODUCTS.
01:03:38AND IF THEY DON'T, WE SHOULD LOOK AT HOW TO INCREASE THOSE INCENTIVES.
01:03:42BUT, I THINK THEY HAVE THAT INCENTIVE. AS THEY BEEN SAYING, THEY WANT
01:03:46TO DO THIS. THE QUESTION IS WHY ARE THEY ASKING THE GOVERNMENT TO STEP IN
01:03:51INSTEAD OF JUST DOING IT THEMSELVES?
01:03:54HOST: DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION?
01:03:57WHAT DO YOU THINK? GUEST: THERE'S A BUNCH OF REASONS.
01:04:02THEY ARE WORRIED IF THEY
01:04:03SLOWDOWN ON THEIR PRODUCT, COMPETITORS WILL GET AHEAD.
01:04:09I THINK IT'S A RISK TO THEIR BOTTOM LINE IN MANY WAYS.
01:04:12THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE IT IF THEY COULD ALL AGREE TO SLOWDOWN.
01:04:18I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS WHAT ECONOMISTS MIGHT CALL AN
01:04:22ELECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM AND THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO BASICALLY
01:04:25ENFORCE AN AGREEMENT THAT, IN
01:04:29OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES, WOULD BE ANTICOMPETITIVE BEHAVIOR.
01:04:32WE WOULD CALL IT A CARTEL NORMALLY. THEY WOULD LIKE THE GOVERNMENT
01:04:35TO ENFORCE THAT CARTEL, BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED THAT IF THERE
01:04:39IS A PRIVATE CARTEL, THAT PEOPLE WILL BREAK OUT OF IT AND
01:04:43CONTINUE TO INNOVATE IN AN EFFORT TO GET MORE CUSTOMERS.
01:04:46SO, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN REASON.
01:04:49SOME OF THE OTHER REASONS, THERE ARE LEGITIMATE INFORMATION
01:04:53SHARING REASONS THAT COMPANIES WANT TO COLLABORATE.
01:04:56THESE TYPES OF THINGS WOULD BE,
01:05:00IF ONE COMPANY IDENTIFIES A SPECIFIC TYPE OF VULNERABILITY, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO SHARE IT
01:05:04WITH OTHER COMPANIES. UNDER CURRENT ANTITRUST LAW AND
01:05:08OTHER TYPES OF LAWS, THIS IS TOTALLY ALLOWED.
01:05:11IN FACT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND THE FTC HAVE A
01:05:14LETTER THAT SAYS THAT CYBERSECURITY INFORMATION
01:05:18SHARING DOES NOT RAISE ANTICOMPETITIVE ISSUES.
01:05:21AND SO, I DON'T THINK THEY NEED GOVERNMENT ACTION HERE TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION.
01:05:26AND I THINK THEY SHOULD DO THAT. THEY SHOULD SET UP FRAMEWORKS TO
01:05:29DO THAT EFFECTIVELY. BOTH WITH EACH OTHER AND WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
01:05:33SOME OF THOSE FRAMEWORKS EXIST, THEY NEED TO LEAN INTO THOSE.
01:05:37HOST: I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE WE TURN TO PHONE CALLS.
01:05:41HER FOLKS WATCHING -- FOR
01:05:47PEOPLE WATCHING, START CALLING
01:05:50INTEREST MEAL QUESTIONS. FOR DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8000.
01:05:54FOR REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001.
01:06:00INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8002.
01:06:05WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ALL THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIOS FROM AI
01:06:08LEADERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD?
01:06:11OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S BEEN TALK THAT AI COULD LEAD TO THE END OF
01:06:15HUMANITY. THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE NOT MANAGING THE INNOVATION
01:06:19RESPONSIBLY. OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW HUGGING FACE
01:06:23AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES.
01:06:24GUEST: SO, I MEAN THIS IS A
01:06:29STREAM OF CONVERSATION THAT'S
01:06:32BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. OBVIOUSLY, IT PREEXISTS
01:06:36COMPUTERS IN MANY WAYS.
01:06:39IN LITERATURE, THIS IDEA THAT MANKIND WILL CREATE A TECHNOLOGY
01:06:41THAT WILL BE ITS DOOM. BUT, I THINK THAT HAS SHREDDED
01:06:47THROUGH IN THE ASPECT OF AI FOR THE LAST 20 TO 25 YEARS.
01:06:52THERE'S BEEN PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THIS AND WORRIED ABOUT IT.
01:06:55EACH TIME THEY SAY IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER OFF THAN WE THOUGHT.
01:07:00SO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT EVIDENCE WILL WE HAVE THAT THIS
01:07:03TYPE OF COMPLETE DOOM COULD
01:07:04HAPPEN FROM AI IN A WAY THAT IT
01:07:08HASN'T HAPPENED FROM PREVIOUS TECHNOLOGIES, SUCH AS NUCLEAR
01:07:12TECHNOLOGY, BIOTECHNOLOGY, LOTS
01:07:14OF OTHER SPACES, VIRUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
01:07:18IT'S NOT THAT -- IT'S NOT THAT I
01:07:21WOULD SAY THESE PEOPLE ARE WRONG THAT THERE ARE RISKS.
01:07:25THERE'S CLEARLY RISKS. ANY POWERFUL TOOL HAS RISKS.
01:07:29AI IS A VERY GENERAL PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY.
01:07:31SO, IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL, WHICH MEANS IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL MISUSE.
01:07:36THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THIS IDEA OF GOING ROGUE. I THINK SO MUCH OF THE NARRATIVE
01:07:40THERE HAS BEEN PHRASED AROUND THIS HUGGING FACE INCIDENT, IN
01:07:43WHICH FRANKLY, THE COMPANIES
01:07:49SET UP A BOILING POT AND WALKED AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS AND DID NOT
01:07:52LOOK AT IT AND THEY SAID OH, MY PASTA WENT ROGUE AND IT'S TRYING TO BURN DOWN THE HOUSE.
01:07:56HOST: THEY SET UP A TEST FOR THE
01:07:59AI AND LEFT IT IN THE AI --
01:08:04GUEST: WHAT A POOR METAPHOR. HOST: [LAUGHTER]
01:08:09I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN FOR OUR FOLKS. CARMEN FROM NEW YORK, REPUBLICAN.
01:08:13GOOD MORNING, CARMEN. CALLER: YES, GOOD MORNING.
01:08:17MR. CHILTON, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY
01:08:21TIME I HEAR A POLITICIAN SPEAK
01:08:23ABOUT AI, THEY WILL EXPRESS VERY
01:08:26SERIOUS -- THEY WON'T EXPRESS
01:08:28VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IT BUT THEY DO NOTHING.
01:08:32-- THEY WILL EXPRESS VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT IT BUT
01:08:36THEY DO NOTHING. IF THERE ARE SERIOUS CONCERNS
01:08:38ABOUT IT, WHY DOESN'T SOMEBODY FROM CONGRESS ASK ONE OF THESE
01:08:42PRINCIPLES FROM THESE COMPANIES,
01:08:45CAN YOU USE AI IN AN EXPERIMENT,
01:08:48LET'S SAY ON THE COVID VIRUS?
01:08:52CAN YOU MUTATE IT AND GO BACK AND FORTH?
01:08:54CAN AI CREATE A VIRUS THAT'S
01:08:57IMMUNE TO VACCINES? THAT'S WHAT REALLY SCARES ME.
01:09:01GUEST: IS A GREAT QUESTION AND
01:09:05IT'S A CONCERN THAT I THINK PEOPLE HAVE THAT THESE
01:09:09TECHNOLOGIES, BECAUSE OF THEIR POTENTIAL TO UNDERSTAND PATTERNS
01:09:12IN LARGE AMOUNT OF DATA, THEY
01:09:16MIGHT BE MISUSED IN ORDER TO GENERATE BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS.
01:09:18AND SO, THERE IS -- THE
01:09:21GOVERNMENT HAS LOOKED INTO THAT.
01:09:24THE COMPANIES ARE AWARE OF THAT CONCERN. AND, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF
01:09:27STRUCTURES IN PLACE THAT MAKE IT ACTUALLY HARD, EVEN ONCE YOU
01:09:29DESIGN A VIRUS, OR YOU DESIGN
01:09:32THE DNA FOR A VIRUS, TO GET THE PIECES THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO
01:09:37PRODUCE IT, ETC.
01:09:38IT'S NOT AS IF AI OR EVEN
01:09:41INTELLIGENCE IS THE PRIMARY BOTTLENECK TO THIS TYPE OF THREAT.
01:09:44BUT, IT IS A POTENTIAL RISK.
01:09:47AND SO, THESE COMPANIES HAVE ALL SORTS OF GUARDRAILS AROUND WHEN
01:09:51YOU CAN USE THEIR TOOLS FOR BIOLOGICAL REASONS.
01:09:54I SHOULD SAY THAT THERE IS HUGE
01:09:55POTENTIAL HERE, ON THE MEDICAL
01:10:00SIDE, THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CHILL BY PUTTING THESE TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS IN.
01:10:05GOOGLE JUST RECENTLY ANNOUNCED A NEW DATABASE THAT RESEARCHERS
01:10:09CAN USE THAT EXPLAINS ALL OF THE
01:10:11CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF HUMAN DNA , AND SO THEY CAN RUN VIRTUAL
01:10:16EXPERIMENTS TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW CERTAIN TYPES OF DNA ARE
01:10:20CONNECTED TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DISEASES AND DESIGN DRUGS BETTER.
01:10:22THAT HAS HUGE POTENTIAL FOR DRUG DISCOVERY AND HEALTH CARE.
01:10:27SO, THAT POTENTIAL COMES WITH A SLIGHT RISK OF MISUSE.
01:10:31WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MITIGATING THAT RISK. THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS THE
01:10:35RIGHT BOTTLENECK FOR THAT? I THINK THE ANSWER THE COMPANIES WOULD GIVE TO THE SPECIFIC
01:10:39QUESTION THAT YOU SAID IS THAT
01:10:43NOBODY CAN DESIGN A VIRUS THAT IS IMMUNE TO VACCINES.
01:10:49BUT, THAT THESE ARE POWERFUL TOOLS THAT CAN HELP US BETTER
01:10:52UNDERSTAND THIS SPACE.
01:10:54RIGHT NOW, AI CANNOT BY ITSELF DESIGN SUCH VIRUSES AT ALL.
01:10:57HOST: TIM FROM WINSTON-SALEM,
01:11:01NORTH CAROLINA, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. CALLER: HEY, GOOD MORNING.
01:11:05THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL. AI IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TOOL THAT'S OUT THERE.
01:11:08YOU LOOK AT THE AUTOMOBILE THAT
01:11:11CAME OUT, NUCLEAR FUSION,
01:11:13MANKIND HAS A CHOICE IN HOW TO
01:11:16USE THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
01:11:18AND AI ITSELF IS JUST A VERY
01:11:22FAST, EFFICIENT WAY TO GATHER ALL THE DATA IN ORDER TO MAKE
01:11:25BETTER DECISIONS. SO, AT THE CORE OF ANY
01:11:28REGULATION, IT HAS TO BE WITH THE INTENT OF WHAT THEY ARE
01:11:31GOING TO DO WITH TECHNOLOGY.
01:11:34AI ITSELF IS STUPID. IF YOU EVER HAVE A CONVERSATION
01:11:37WITH AI, THEY ARE ONLY GOING TO PULL OF THE DATA THAT'S OUT
01:11:40THERE AND IT WILL ONLY MIMIC THE PARAMETERS THAT IT'S GIVEN.
01:11:43SO, THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST
01:11:45CALLED, OK, LET'S USE THIS TO CHANGE THE DNA STRUCTURE TO COME
01:11:49UP WITH A VACCINE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.
01:11:51SO, IT CAN BE USED FOR WONDERFUL THINGS. IT CAN BE USED TO ADVANCED
01:11:56TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINE DESIGN --
01:12:01IN ENGINE DESIGN, CREATING BETTER CROPS AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE INTENT
01:12:05AND THE ETHICS.
01:12:07AND I YIELD BACK TO MR. CHIL
01:12:12SON. GUEST: ABSOLUTELY.
01:12:15I THINK ONE OF THE BIG CHALLENGES WITH REGULATING AI,
01:12:20IT'S A GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY. SO, BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY
01:12:24APPLICATIONS, WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT REGULATING, IT'S VERY VAGUE.
01:12:28I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU, TIM, THAT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO IS THEY
01:12:30SHOULD SAY HOW IS AI BEING USED
01:12:33IN THIS SPECIFIC AREA. SO, LET'S SAY AGRICULTURE.
01:12:36HOW IS IT BEING USED TO DESIGN
01:12:39TOOLS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NEED
01:12:43FOR PESTICIDES OR TO MAKE CROPS
01:12:46MORE RESISTANT TO NATURAL
01:12:50DISEASE, OR TO BE ABLE TO GROW IN AREAS THAT THEY HAD NOT BEFORE.
01:12:55THAT TYPE OF USE BRINGS CERTAIN
01:13:00TYPES OF BENEFITS, A CERTAIN COST BENEFIT RATIO.
01:13:05WHAT KINDS OF RULES ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW?
01:13:08ARE THERE ANY RISKS IN THOSE -- IN THIS NEW APPLICATION THAT ARE
01:13:12NOT COVERED BY THOSE RULES? AND HOW MIGHT WE FILL THOSE GAPS?
01:13:15RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT REGULATING AI AT A VERY HIGH
01:13:19LEVEL, LET'S GET DOWN TO BE SPECIFIC USES. SOME OF THOSE USES WILL BE
01:13:23COMPLETELY INNOCUOUS AND WE DON'T NEED REGULATION THERE.
01:13:27WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT THE INNOVATION EFFECTS OF REGULATION THERE.
01:13:30AND SOME OTHER AREAS ARE GOING
01:13:31TO HAVE ACTUAL RISKS TO HUMANS,
01:13:34OR TO ECONOMIC COSTS.
01:13:38AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE THERE AND TRY TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS.
01:13:43HOST: I WANT TO INVITE MORE OF
01:13:46OUR VIEWERS TO JOIN IN ON THIS CONVERSATION. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AI,
01:13:50POTENTIAL GUARDRAILS AND FEDERAL POLICY. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8000.
01:13:56REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8001.
01:14:01INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202) 748-8002.
01:14:05NEIL, I WANT TO SHOW YOU A
01:14:09RECENT INTERVIEW WITH POLITICO
01:14:10THAT ANTHROPIC'S HEAD OF POLICY
01:14:14DID, WHERE SHE SPOKE ABOUT WHAT SHE WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH,
01:14:17WHEN IT COMES TO GUARDRAILS. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN.
01:14:19>> WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FOR
01:14:23THIRD-PARTY EVALUATORS. IT'S SOMETHING WE DID WHEN WE
01:14:26RELEASED CLAUDE TWO, CLAUDE
01:14:30THREE AND MANY OF THE MODELS WE HAVE IN THE PAST TWO YEARS.
01:14:36I'VE WANTED TO SEE AN EXPANSION OF THE ECOSYSTEM OF THESE
01:14:40THIRD-PARTY EVALUATORS. WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT
01:14:42WHO THEY ARE, WE WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE INDEPENDENT.
01:14:46AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH GOVERNMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
01:14:50MADE SENSE. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A
01:14:53WORLD WHERE YOU DO SAFETY AND PEOPLE ARE ACCEPTING OF AI
01:14:56COMPANIES JUST DOING IT ON AN HONOR CODE.
01:15:00WE CAN'T BE CHECKING OUR OWN HOMEWORK. HOST: THAT WAS SARAH HECK OF
01:15:04ANTHROPIC. I WONDER, NEIL, WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT HER APPROACH.
01:15:08GUEST: I MEAN, I THINK MS. HECK
01:15:14IS RIGHT THAT PEOPLE WILL WANT
01:15:17TO TRUST THE PRODUCTS THAT COME OUT OF THESE COMPANIES.
01:15:19AND ONE WAY THAT THEY MIGHT
01:15:21TRUST THEM MORE WOULD BE IF
01:15:24THERE HAD BEEN THIRD PARTIES WHO HAVE CHECKED THEIR HOMEWORK, AS SHE PUT IT.
01:15:29AND, AS SHE PUT IT, ANTHROPIC HAS BEEN DOING THIS. I THINK THAT THEY ARE RIGHT TO
01:15:34SEEK A BIGGER ECOSYSTEM OF FOLKS
01:15:37WHO ARE DOING THESE TYPES OF THIRD-PARTY CHECKS. RIGHT NOW, THAT ECOSYSTEM IS
01:15:42VERY -- IT'S RELATIVELY SMALL
01:15:45AND IT IS VERY FOCUSED ON A
01:15:49CIVIC SET OF RISKS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE
01:15:51CYBERSECURITY RUSTIC -- EXPERTS
01:15:55BROUGHT INTO THESE TYPES OF
01:15:56THIRD-PARTY EXAMINATIONS. THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY SKILL SET
01:16:00OF THE PEOPLE DOING THESE THIRD-PARTY CHECKS, EVEN THOUGH
01:16:04IT SEEMS TO BE THE PRIMARY RISK.
01:16:05HOST: WHO TYPICALLY DOES THE THIRD-PARTY EVALUATIONS?
01:16:10IS IT A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT JUST STAND AND GO FROM FRONTIER
01:16:15LEFT -- FRONTIER LAB TO FRONTIER LAB?
01:16:17OR IS IT A ROTATING CAST, WHAT
01:16:20IS THE MAKEUP OF THESE?
01:16:22GUEST: THE THIRD-PARTY
01:16:25EVALUATORS RIGHT NOW ARE VERY FOCUSED ON AI SAFETY RISKS. THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LARGELY
01:16:29FUNDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FUND THE AI COMPANIES IN MANY WAYS.
01:16:33AND, THEY ARE OFTEN FUNDED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE FUNDING
01:16:36A LOT OF THE, I WOULD SAY, MORE
01:16:40SKEPTICAL SIDE OR CONCERN SIDE,
01:16:41THE AI X RISK TUMOR CONTINGENT.
01:16:48-- DOOMER CONTINGENT.
01:16:54THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF OPTIONS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING AT
01:16:57THESE OPTIONS FROM A WIDE RANGE OF VIEWS. CYBERSECURITY WOULD BE ONE,
01:17:00ECONOMIC IMPACT WOULD BE ANOTHER BIG ONE THAT I WOULD BE CURIOUS ABOUT.
01:17:04RIGHT NOW, IT IS A SORT OF
01:17:07INSULAR, CIRCULAR REVOLVING DOOR
01:17:11BETWEEN THE AI LABS IN THESE PARTY REVIEWERS -- THIRD-PARTY REVIEWERS.
01:17:15HAVING SAID THAT, THE THIRD-PARTY REVIEW IS NOT THE
01:17:18ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN PROVE THAT
01:17:21THESE TOOLS ARE TRUSTWORTHY. THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER TYPES OF
01:17:25INSURANCE MODELS. THERE COULD BE GOVERNMENT IN
01:17:28SPECIFIC SECTORS THAT COULD BE INVOLVED IN VERIFYING THINGS.
01:17:33LIKE THEY ARE IN SAY AUTOMOBILES OR AIRPLANES.
01:17:35AND SO, I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF
01:17:38DIFFERENT OPTIONS HERE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOCK US INTO ONE APPROACH.
01:17:43AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO LOCK THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY INTO ONE
01:17:46APPROACH, WHERE THE THIRD-PARTY
01:17:49EVALUATORS ARE BASICALLY VERY
01:17:52ALIGNED WITH THE SORT OF ANTHROPIC VIEW OF AI.
01:17:55HOST: RUBIN CALLING IN FROM NEW
01:17:58JERSEY ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE. GOOD MORNING.
01:18:00CALLER: HEY, GOOD MORNING.
01:18:04A QUESTION HERE, THIS KIND OF
01:18:04TIES TO THE EARLIER TOPIC ABOUT
01:18:08CONGRESS DOING THEIR JOB. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOCIAL SECURITY, AI AND ROBOTICS.
01:18:13AND THAT IS THAT BACK IN 1945,
01:18:17WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY LAUNCHED, WE HAD 42 WORKERS FOR EVERY RECIPIENT.
01:18:21TODAY, WE HAVE ABOUT TWO WORKERS. FOR EVERY RECIPIENT.
01:18:27ON SOCIAL SECURITY, AND AS AI AND AS ROBOTS BECOME MORE
01:18:30PREVALENT IN OUR SOCIETY, IN OUR
01:18:33ECONOMY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EVEN FEWER WORKERS.
01:18:36WE WILL HAVE FEWER KNOWLEDGE WORKERS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE FEWER MANUAL LABORERS.
01:18:42THERE ARE SOME REALLY, REALLY
01:18:44SMART GUYS TALKING ABOUT MAY BE
01:18:48TAXING OR, IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR
01:18:49FORM, HAVI AI AND THE ROBOTS PAG
01:18:54SOMETHING TO FUND SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE AND I'M
01:19:00WONDERING IF -- BY THE WAY, CONGRESS HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE.
01:19:03THEY HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THE
01:19:06IMPENDING DOOM OF AI -- THAT AI
01:19:10AND ROBOTICS WILL BRING ONTO THE WORKFORCE AND THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
01:19:14SO, IF YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING THERE, NEIL, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
01:19:17GUEST: SURE, RUBEN.
01:19:20THANKS FOR CALLING IN. I WOULD SEPARATE GOES INTO TWO DIFFERENT QUESTIONS.
01:19:24ONE IS THE EFFECT OF AI ON JOBS. WHAT WE KNOW RIGHT NOW IS THAT
01:19:28THE EFFECT IS MIXED, BUT PEOPLE
01:19:31WHO HAVE BEEN PREDICTING -- BUT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PREDICTING THAT
01:19:35IN CERTAIN SECTORS. RADIOLOGY IS AN AREA WHERE THERE WERE EARLY CONVICTIONS THAT AI
01:19:39WOULD DESTROY RADIOLOGY BECAUSE
01:19:41IT CAN READ SCANS BETTER THAN THE DOCTORS.
01:19:44IT TURNS OUT RADIOLOGY IS DOING EXTREMELY WELL.
01:19:47IN FACT, PEOPLE ARE GETTING MORE SCANS FASTER, IN PART BECAUSE OF
01:19:51AI. BUT THE DEMAND FOR RADIOLOGY HAS GONE UP TOO BECAUSE IT'S EASIER
01:19:54AND CHEAPER TO GET A SCAM. MORE PEOPLE WILL DO IT IN AREAS WHERE THEY WERE NOT BEFORE.
01:20:00I THINK THERE'S ALL OF THESE
01:20:01MIXED EFFECTS THAT WE CAN EXPECT
01:20:04FROM A PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCING
01:20:10TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN AND WILL
01:20:13DRIVE AND HISTORICALLY HAS DRIVEN MORE EMPLOYMENT, NOT JUST
01:20:15REPLACING PEOPLE AND EMPLOYMENT GOING AWAY. I WOULD SAY ON THE BLUE-COLLAR
01:20:19SIDE, IT'S CLEAR THE AI BOOM IS DRIVING A HUGE AMOUNT OF
01:20:23BLUE-COLLAR WORK IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE AI
01:20:27INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE THESE PRODUCTS.
01:20:30AND SO, THERE AGAIN, THERE IS A BENEFIT.
01:20:33AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS TECHNOLOGY WON'T DISRUPT CERTAIN JOBS. IT CERTAINLY WILL.
01:20:39BUT EVEN PUTTING THAT ASIDE, THE
01:20:41OTHER BIG DIFFERENCE FROM 1945
01:20:45TO TODAY IS THAT TECHNOLOGY HAS MADE IT SO THAT PEOPLE LIVE MUCH LONGER.
01:20:48THEY WERE NOT ANTICIPATING MOST PEOPLE TO EVEN COLLECT SOCIAL
01:20:52SECURITY, BECAUSE THE AVERAGE COLLECTION AGE WAS ABOVE THE AVERAGE AGE OF DEATH IN 1945.
01:20:57NOW, 20-30 YEARS AFTER
01:21:02COLLECTING -- THE AGE OF COLLECTING SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT UNHEARD OF.
01:21:05AND TECHNOLOGY COULD DRIVE THAT NUMBER MUCH LONGER, POSSIBLY.
01:21:08AS WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO LIVE
01:21:13LONGER, WE MIGHT RUN INTO A VERY STRUCTURAL PROBLEM HERE IN THE
01:21:16WAY THAT WE HAVE SET UP THIS SOCIAL SAFETY NET.
01:21:21I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE CALLER THAT WE NEED TO RE-EXAMINE HOW
01:21:24WE DO THESE TYPES OF SYSTEMS.
01:21:28RIGHT NOW, IT'S A TRANSFER FROM THE YOUNG AND THE WORKING TO THE
01:21:32ELDERLY, WHO ARE OFTEN, IN MANY
01:21:35CASES, QUITE A BIT WEALTHIER
01:21:37THAN THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT PAY CHECKS ARE BEING DRAWN ON.
01:21:42SO, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THIS. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
01:21:46REBALANCE THIS. I THINK SOME OF THIS WILL COME DOWN TO SOME REALLY TOUGH
01:21:49POLITICAL CHOICES ABOUT HOW WE
01:21:50ARE MOVING MONEY AROUND BETWEEN
01:21:54GENERATIONS.
01:21:55HOST: JIM FROM PORTLAND, OREGON,
01:21:58INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, JIM.
01:22:00CALLER: CONSCIOUSNESS IS EVER AN
01:22:06OPPORTUNIST. AND IF YOU CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL
01:22:11CONSCIOUSNESS, WHY WOULD IT NOT
01:22:17TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE ITS ONLY REAL COMPETITORS, THE HUMANS?
01:22:20GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
01:22:25I THINK IT'S A BIG IF. RIGHT NOW, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE
01:22:29HAVE, THEY RUN IN A LOOP. WE CAN TURN THEM ON OR OFF.
01:22:38WE CAN OBSERVE THEIR INPUTS AND OUTPUTS. CALLING THEM CONSCIOUS RIGHT NOW
01:22:42WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING. YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT -- YOU ARE
01:22:44RIGHT THAT ADDING WILL INTO
01:22:48SOFTWARE, IF WE KNEW HOW TO DO THAT, THAT IT WOULD CHANGE HOW
01:22:51WE INTERACTED WITH THE SOFTWARE.
01:22:54BUT RIGHT NOW, THESE PROGRAMS DON'T WANT THINGS.
01:22:59THEY ARE DESIGNED AND THEY PURSUE THE GOALS THAT HUMANS HAVE SET FOR THEM.
01:23:03AND, I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE GREAT EXAMPLES ACTUALLY OF THE
01:23:07FACT THAT IT DOESN'T, EVEN IF
01:23:10YOU HAVE MORE INTELLIGENCE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU ERADICATE
01:23:12EVERYTHING AROUND IT OR AROUND YOU, OR THAT YOU TRY TO DESTROY
01:23:16IT. HUMANS COOPERATE WITH EACH
01:23:20OTHER, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE VERY MUCH RIVAL WITH EACH OTHER.
01:23:24AND SO, THE QUESTION WOULD BE -- IT'S NOT JUST CONSCIOUSNESS THAT
01:23:28MAKES US WANTS TO DESTROY --
01:23:32WANT TO DESTROY OUR RIVALS. SOMETIMES THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INTELLIGENT ARE ACTUALLY BIG
01:23:36ASSETS TO US. THAT'S THE HISTORY OF CAPITALISM, THAT COOPERATION,
01:23:40THAT COORDINATION THROUGH
01:23:43DIRECTING PEOPLE'S SELF INTEREST IN MOTIVATIONS CAN ACTUALLY
01:23:47PRODUCE MORE WEALTH, RATHER THAN JUST EXCHANGING WEALTH.
01:23:51SO, I WOULD SAY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO FEAR THAT.
01:23:55WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BUILDING THE SYSTEMS IN A
01:23:59WAY THAT THEY WILL BE ASSETS AND THEY WILL BE USEFUL TO US,
01:24:02RATHER THAN ONE SWEAR THEY COULD
01:24:06BE MISUSED BY OTHER HUMANS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OTHERS.
01:24:09HOST: BACK ON THE ISSUE OF
01:24:12REGULATION, I'M LOOKING AT A POINTER ARTICLE RIGHT NOW, NEIL.
01:24:15THE HEADLINE IS WHAT OUR LAWMAKERS DOING ABOUT AI RISKS.
01:24:19HERE ARE SOME OF THE PROPOSALS IN CONGRESS.
01:24:21BEAR WITH ME WHILE I SCROLL, FOLKS.
01:24:24IT LISTS A COUPLE. A FRAMEWORK FOR ADVANCED AI
01:24:28MODELS, THAT'S FROM A
01:24:30REPRESENTATIVE FROM CALIFORNIA,
01:24:33AND ONE FROM MASSACHUSETTS WHERE
01:24:38OTHER -- FOUR OTHER COSPONSORS INTRODUCED THE FRONTIER ACT IN
01:24:42JULY. IT WOULD INSTALL AN
01:24:44UNDERSECRETARY OF COMMERCE FOR AI SECURITY WHO WOULD BE
01:24:48AUTHORIZED TO LICENSE INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATIONS.
01:24:49ANOTHER BILL FROM TED LIEU FROM CALIFORNIA AND NATHANIEL MORAN
01:24:55WOULD -- NATHANIEL MORAN WOULD INTRODUCE AN AI KILL SWITCH
01:24:59WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AI
01:25:04COMPANIES DEVELOPING ADVANCED AI SYSTEMS TO MAINTAIN METHODS FOR
01:25:07SUSPENDING OR SHUTTING DOWN THOSE SYSTEMS.
01:25:10THIS WOULD INCLUDE STOPPING USERS FROM ACCESSING TECHNOLOGY.
01:25:14SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS INTRODUCED A BILL THAT WOULD BAN
01:25:18COMPANIES FROM DEVELOPING AND DEPLOYING SUPER INTELLIGENCE AI.
01:25:21THERE'S A PLETHORA OF THINGS
01:25:22THAT ARE CIRCULATING AROUND CONGRESS.
01:25:25I WONDER, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPOSALS?
01:25:28GUEST: THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF
01:25:32WORK GOING ON IN CONGRESS. I WOULD SAY THERE'S EVEN SOME BILLS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN
01:25:36INTRODUCED THAT ARE POSSIBLY ON THE WAY AS WELL.
01:25:39AND SO, I THINK THEY SHOW THAT CONGRESS IS FEELING THE INTEREST
01:25:44AND IN DOING SOMETHING IN THIS
01:25:49SPACE. ESPECIALLY IN CONTRAST TO THE STATES.
01:25:51THE STATES HAVE PASSED HUNDREDS
01:25:55OF AI REGULATORY LAWS THAT ARE
01:25:58FOCUSED ON A WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES.
01:26:00SOME OF THEM ARE ISSUES THAT REALLY SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AT
01:26:04THE FEDERAL LEVEL, LIKE THESE AI MODEL SAFETY CONCERNS.
01:26:08AND SO, ALL THREE OF THE BILLS
01:26:10THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT DO -- ARE AIMED AT THAT.
01:26:13THEY ARE AIMED AT AI MODEL SAFETY. NOT SPECIFIC APPLICATIONS.
01:26:16AND I THINK THERE IS SUCH A WIDE RANGE.
01:26:20THE FRONTIER ACT IS, IN MANY
01:26:23WAYS, A COMPLIANCE BILL THAT IS AIMED ONLY AT THE BIGGEST
01:26:27COMPANIES.
01:26:29AND, IT IS -- IT PROVIDES US A SET OF PROCESSES BY WHICH PEOPLE
01:26:32MIGHT GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO GET
01:26:36GOVERNMENT CERTIFIED, ESSENTIALLY, THAT IT IS OK TO RELEASE A MODEL.
01:26:41AND I THINK THAT HAS STRENGTHS
01:26:42IN THAT WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND,
01:26:47COMPANIES UNDERSTAND HOW TO DO THAT. IT HAS SOME RISKS IN THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY
01:26:51WHAT MAKES AI DEVELOPMENT SAFE,
01:26:55WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT BILL IS GOING TO STAY UP-TO-DATE.
01:26:59AND, I THINK ALSO, IT RISKS
01:27:03BASICALLY STRUCTURING REGULATION AROUND THE WAY THAT THE BIGGEST COMPANIES DO BUSINESS.
01:27:07AND IT LEAVES OUT THE STRIP --
01:27:12THE SMALLER ENTREPRENEURS AND THE OPEN SOURCE PROVIDERS WERE BUILDING TOOLS THAT MIGHT BE
01:27:16MUCH MORE WIDELY USED. BUT, IF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH
01:27:20THIS PROCESS, THEY MAY NOT EXIST AT ALL.
01:27:24THE BAND SUPER INTELLIGENCE,
01:27:24THAT BILL, THAT VERY TERM IS SO
01:27:29POORLY DEFINED THAT PUTTING A
01:27:30GOVERNMENT BAN ON IT I THINK IT
01:27:33IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE.
01:27:34AND I THINK ALSO QUITE UNNECESSARY.
01:27:38WE ARE NOWHERE NEAR WHAT BERNIE SANDERS IS WORRIED ABOUT HERE.
01:27:43HOST: HE DEFINED AS SYSTEMS THAT
01:27:48CAN MATCH OR EXCEED HUMAN COGNITIVE PERFORMANCE AND
01:27:50CAPABILITIES, OR THOSE THAT HAVE ENOUGH CAPABILITY TO DOMINATE HUMANS.
01:27:56INCLUDING BY OVERTHROWING OR UNDERMINING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
01:27:58GUEST: YEAH, IT'S A VERY BROAD
01:28:01DEFINITION AND, WHEN WE ARE
01:28:03TALKING ABOUT BANS, I WORRY
01:28:12ABOUT VAGUE AND BROAD DEFINITIONS BECAUSE IT GIVES ENFORCERS THE ABILITY TO STEP IN
01:28:16FOR REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RISK.
01:28:22IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN SAY HEY, WE THINK YOUR TECHNOLOGY IS TO DOUBLE OR DANGEROUS AND WE WOULD
01:28:26LIKE TO TURN IT OFF NOW, THEY,
01:28:30IN OTHER ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THERE ARE KILL SWITCH IS, WE COULD TO THINGS LIKE A
01:28:34TOTALITARIAN GOVERNMENT WHERE THEY HAVE KILL SWITCHES ON THEIR INTERNET. THEY ARE NOT DOING IT OUT OF
01:28:39SAFETY. IF THEY ARE OFTEN DOING IT OUT
01:28:41OF VERY POLITICAL REASONS.
01:28:46AND I WOULD WORRY ABOUT HAVING A KILL SWITCH THAT IS NOT
01:28:49EXTREMELY CLEARLY LIMITED IN THE AUTHORITY THAT IT ALLOWS THE
01:28:53GOVERNMENT TO EXERCISE OVER PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, USING COMPUTERS.
01:28:55HOST: A QUESTION FROM TWITTER
01:28:58HEAR FROM LAUREN SAYS WHAT
01:29:10SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS WOULD NEIL SUGGEST?
01:29:11GUEST: I READ SOME SPECIFIC GUARDRAILS THAT WERE BEING
01:29:15CONSIDERED ON THE HILL. THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT SENATE LEADERS ARE LOOKING AT THAT
01:29:20WOULD BASICALLY JUST CLEARLY
01:29:22STATE THAT THE FRONTIER LABS
01:29:25HAVE A DUTY TO ENSURE THAT THEY
01:29:28HAVE MITIGATED -- THAT THEY HAVE
01:29:32REASONABLY MITIGATED
01:29:35GREAT RISK. AND I THINK THAT TYPE OF CLARITY AROUND THE FACT THAT IT IS THE
01:29:39COMPANY'S JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT
01:29:42THEIR PRODUCTS ARE SAFE,
01:29:44EXISTING LAW SAYS THAT.
01:29:47BUT HAVING THE DUTY THAT COULD
01:29:48BE ENFORCED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL
01:29:51ON COMPANIES, SAYING IT LIKE HEY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO
01:29:55DO TO ENSURE THAT THE PRODUCTS
01:29:58ARE SAFE, WITHOUT GETTING INTO A
01:30:03VERY MICROMANAGING APPROACH THAT SAYS HEY, CHECK ALL OF THESE
01:30:06BOXES AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO SAY YOU ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY
01:30:09HARM THAT HAPPENS, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT
01:30:13BOTH MAY BE RISKS UNDER PREVENTING RISK AND I THINK IT
01:30:16ALSO IS A WAY TO ADD A LOT OF
01:30:19COST TO A PROCESS THAT THE
01:30:21BIGGEST COMPANIES CAN ABSORB BUT
01:30:23THE SMALL COMPANIES CAN'T. I WOULD PREFER A LIABILITY REGIME.
01:30:27A REGIME THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE
01:30:28THE FTC'S DATA SECURITY
01:30:32ENFORCEMENT THAT SAYS YOU HAVE A GENERAL DUTY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRODUCTS ARE SAFE.
01:30:36WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT DUTY.
01:30:38AND WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO PROVIDE TOOLS TO GOVERNMENT
01:30:42TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE DOING -- YOU'RE
01:30:46DOING WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IN THAT SPACE. THOSE OF THE TYPES OF GUIDELINES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THE
01:30:50FEDERAL LEVEL. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT TO
01:30:52COME IN EXCHANGE WITH REPLACING
01:30:55SOME OF THE STATE-LEVEL EFFORTS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THAT.
01:30:59BUT, THEY ARE TRYING TO -- BUT
01:31:02THEY ARE CREATING PATCHWORK
01:31:03WHERE COMPANIES MAY HAVE TO WORK
01:31:07WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CONFLICTING REGIMES AND
01:31:10ENFORCERS AT THE STATE LEVEL EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A FEDERAL, IF NOT INTERNATIONAL PROBLEM.
01:31:13HOST: JOE FROM OAKLAWN THE CITY, DEMOCRAT.
01:31:20-- FROM OKLAHOMA CITY, DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING, JOE.
01:31:24CALLER: I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE
01:31:28IS A BIG WORD, CALLED HONESTY.
01:31:34LET'S KEEP GOING, BUT LET'S HAVE SOME GUARDRAILS.
01:31:4280% OF THE DATA CENTERS OUT THERE, WHICH ARE JUST COLLECTION
01:31:46UNITS, THEY ARE NOW USING AI TO
01:31:52RIVAL HUMAN INTELLIGENCE. THE WORK THAT RESEARCHERS USED
01:31:55TO DO IS FLOODING INTO DATA
01:31:59CENTERS.
01:32:0180% OF THE COMPANIES OUT THERE
01:32:04THAT HAVE THESE DIFFERENT DATA
01:32:06CENTERS ARE BASICALLY, 80% OF
01:32:11THEM ARE SEVEN COMPANIES. THEY WERE BEHIND THEM AT THE
01:32:14INAUGURATION. NOW, WHEN THEY COME INTO YOUR
01:32:19TOWN, THEY GET INTO NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS.
01:32:21SO, THEY ARE HIDING THE DETAILS OF THE DEAL TO GET INTO YOUR
01:32:25ACCOUNT. THEY ALSO USE LLCS, WHICH ARE
01:32:28FAKE COMPANY NAMES, WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS UNTIL THE
01:32:33VERY LAST MINUTE. THESE ARE NOT HONEST BROKERS.
01:32:39HOW DO THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY? BY TAKING WHITE-COLLAR JOBS, SPYING ON PEOPLE AND SELLING
01:32:43YOUR DATA. HOW MANY JOBS ARE YOU GOING TO GET OUT OF THESE PEOPLE?
01:32:46HOST: RI, JOE. THAT'S A LOT.
01:32:50LET'S LET NEIL COME IN AND RESPOND.
01:32:52GUEST: THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES,
01:32:55THE BUILDING OF AI INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THE PROCESS SHOULD BE DONE THERE.
01:32:59AND THEN THERE IS THE BASIC IS AI OF ANY BENEFIT.
01:33:03BECAUSE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE AI BENEFIT SIDE ON THE PROGRAM
01:33:05ALREADY, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING OF AI INFRASTRUCTURE.
01:33:09I THINK THE CALLER IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT THAT THESE COMPANIES
01:33:13SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TRICK COMMUNITIES INTO A BAD DEAL.
01:33:16WE NEED AI INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE
01:33:21U.S. TO BUILD THESE POWERFUL TOOLS.
01:33:23BUT, THEY NEED TO NOT COMMENT -- COME AT THE COST OF THE
01:33:27COMMUNITIES THEY ARE IN. THE COMMUNITIES NEED TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING A GOOD
01:33:31DEAL AND A LOT OF COMMUNITIES FEEL THIS WAY.
01:33:34I DON'T KNOW IF THE CALLER HAS SEEN IN LOUISIANA WHERE EVERY SCHOOL TEACHER IN THE DISTRICT
01:33:40THAT A METADATA CENTER WAS BUILT IN. $50,000 BONUS CHECKS THIS
01:33:45YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE DATA CENTER
01:33:48REVENUE THAT THEY BROUGHT INTO
01:33:49THIS OTHERWISE RATHER, YOU KNOW,
01:33:55RURAL, IMPOVERISHED REGION.
01:33:57AND SO, I THINK THOSE TYPES OF BENEFITS, COMMUNITIES CAN SEE
01:34:00THAT AND CAN SEE A GOOD DEAL. I THINK COMPANIES SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR OWN POWER.
01:34:04I THINK THEY SHOULD ENSURE BILLS ARE NOT GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY ARE BUILDING.
01:34:08I THINK THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS
01:34:12ARE MITIGATED AND THEY NEED TO MAKE GOOD DEALS WITH THE COMMUNITIES. THE COMPANIES WANT TO DO THIS, I
01:34:17THINK. I THINK THE CALLER IS RIGHT THAT SOME OF THE COMPANIES HAVE BEEN
01:34:19BAD ACTORS ON THE EARLY SIDE OF
01:34:21THIS OR THEY HAVE BEEN DOING STANDARD CONSTRUCTION TYPES OF
01:34:25CONTRACTS THAT HAVE NOT TAKEN
01:34:27INTO ACCOUNT THE POLITICAL'S -- POLITICAL CONCERNS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA.
01:34:31THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB. WE NEED TO BUILD THIS UP. I THINK WE CAN AND WE CAN DO IT
01:34:36IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS COMMUNITIES AND THAT PROVIDES
01:34:39ENORMOUS BENEFITS BOTH TO THEM AND THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE USING THE AI INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE
01:34:43NEED.
01:34:44HOST: RON FROM NEW YORK,
01:34:48INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, RON.
01:34:49CALLER: GOOD MORNING, MR.
01:34:52CHILSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR OBSERVATIONS. I APOLOGIZE.
01:34:56I WANT TO BRING UP A BROADER PHILOSOPHICAL POINT, IF MR.
01:35:00CHILSON COULD REPLY TO THAT. AI IS A TECHNOLOGY.
01:35:07AND READING BACK IN THE 1960'S,
01:35:13A HISTORIAN JOCKEY TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF A TECHNOLOGY
01:35:16CAN BE CREATED, IT WILL BE CREATED. WHETHER IT IS AN ATOMIC BOMB OR
01:35:20A CELL PHONE.
01:35:23AND HIS POINT IS THAT WE ALWAYS
01:35:25THINK THAT WE USE TECHNOLOGY. BUT ACTUALLY AT A POINT,
01:35:30TECHNOLOGY USES US. IT CHANGES THE WAY WE LIVE.
01:35:33CELL PHONES, TABLETS, COMPUTERS
01:35:35HAVE CHANGED THE WAY -- WE NEVER KIND OF STOPPED AT THE BEGINNING
01:35:38AND ASK WHAT, WHERE IS THIS GOING TO TAKE US?
01:35:42IT'S KIND OF A SIREN'S CALL, IF YOU WILL.
01:35:47I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS IN A BROADER PHILOSOPHICAL PLACE,
01:35:51WHERE, DO WE HAVE TO PERCEIVE ON
01:35:57EVERY NEW POSSIBLE TECHNOLOGY THAT MAY COME OUR WAY?
01:36:00OR, CAN WE PUT THE BRAKES ON
01:36:03BEFORE WE GO INTO CERTAIN AREAS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.
01:36:08GUEST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
01:36:11IT'S ONE THAT I THINK ABOUT A LOT. I APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO MOVE
01:36:16UP INTO THE PHILOSOPHICAL'S HERE A LITTLE.
01:36:19I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IMPLICIT IN THAT IS THAT SORT OF WE.
01:36:26THAT WE ALL COLLECTIVELY DECIDE
01:36:30HOW TO ENGAGE IN TECHNOLOGIES. I THINK THE BEAUTY OF THE HUMAN
01:36:34EXPERIENCE IS WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS AND WE COME
01:36:37TO DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES WITH DIFFERENT PROBLEMS WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE IN DIFFERENT GOALS.
01:36:41AND THAT BRINGS SOME RISKS. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD USE
01:36:45TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT WOULD HARM OTHERS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE
01:36:48RULES IN PLACE THAT MAKE THAT IMPOSSIBLE. BUT IT BRINGS HUGE BENEFITS TOO.
01:36:53BECAUSE IT MEANS THERE IS NO ONE
01:36:55PERSON WHO IS DESIGNING A TECHNOLOGY WHO REALLY EVEN KNOWS
01:36:59ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT SOLVE WITH IT.
01:37:01WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE ELECTRICITY, WHICH IS
01:37:05ANOTHER GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
01:37:07DEVELOPING HOW TO GENERATE
01:37:11ELECTRICITY, YOU KNOW, 100 YEARS LATER, THEY WOULD BE SHOCKED AT ALL THE THINGS WE USE
01:37:15ELECTRICITY FOUR. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE TRUE FOR AI TOO.
01:37:19TO ME, THE QUESTION
01:37:25USING AI, IT'S MORE DO YOU AND I
01:37:28HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE THE
01:37:31OPPORTUNITIES IN FRONT OF US AND TRIED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE FACE?
01:37:35WE CAN DO THAT COLLABORATIVELY BUT WE ALSO MIGHT DO THAT INDIVIDUALLY.
01:37:38I WOULD WANT -- I WOULD WORRY
01:37:42ABOUT THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE IF
01:37:44WE ARE GOING TO TURN IT INTO A WEEK, WHERE EVERYTHING IS A
01:37:47POLITICAL QUESTION, WHERE
01:37:50BASICALLY 51% OF THE PEOPLE CAN
01:37:51DICTATE HOW 49% OF THE PEOPLE
01:37:55ARE ALLOWED TO USE OR NOT USE TECHNOLOGY. I WORRY ABOUT THE RISKS FROM
01:37:58THAT MUCH MORE SO THAN I DO
01:38:01ABOUT THE RISKS FROM PEOPLE EMBRACING TECHNOLOGY OR TRYING
01:38:05TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT TO SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS, AND
01:38:08THE WAYS THAT IT MIGHT SHAPE IN AN UNDEFINED WAY, THAT WE CAN'T
01:38:12QUITE PREDICT, THE HUMAN EXPERIENCE.
01:38:14SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUED BOTTOM-UP
01:38:17EXPERIMENTATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS WITH TECHNOLOGY.
01:38:22I AM VERY SKEPTICAL OF THAT SORT OF TOP-DOWN DESIGN STRUCTURES
01:38:24THAT WOULD SAY THIS IS THE WAY THE HUMAN RACE SHOULD GO AND
01:38:28THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE HUMAN RACE SHOULD GO.
01:38:31AND I THINK IN ORDER TO CLEARLY
01:38:35DICTATE, YOU WOULD NEED SOME
01:38:38VERY AUTHORITARIAN POWERS TO BE
01:38:41ABLE TO CONTROL HOW PEOPLE USE
01:38:43THINGS LIKE SOFTWARE OR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND I THINK THOSE POWERS
01:38:47THEMSELVES BRING A LOT OF RISK THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TECHNOLOGY.
01:38:52HOST: A HUGE PART OF THIS
01:38:56CONVERSATION IS CHINA AND THEIR ROLE IN THE AI RACE. THIS WEEK, CHINA'S DEFENSE
01:39:01MINISTER CALLED ON OTHER COUNTRIES, SAYING THEY SHOULD
01:39:03STEP UP THE OVERSIGHT OF AI AND SHOULD DIALOGUE WITH EACH OTHER
01:39:06OVER CONCERNS.
01:39:10WE NOTE NEXT WEEK ON THURSDAY AND WEDNESDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP
01:39:12IS EXPECTED TO MEET WITH CHINESE PRESIDENT XI JINPING.
01:39:16WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT CALL BY THE CHINESE OFFICIAL AND WHAT
01:39:19SHOULD THE U.S.'S POSTURE IT
01:39:22NEXT WEEK BE, WHEN IN CONVERSATION WITH CHINA?
01:39:25GUEST: CHINA, OBVIOUSLY THE
01:39:33RELATIONSHIP IS VERY COMPLICATED. WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY,
01:39:35CHINA HAS OFTEN TRIED TO PUSH
01:39:39STANDARDS THAT WILL SLOW ITS
01:39:42COMPETITORS AND THEN WILL NOT FOLLOW THEM.
01:39:45ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIGHTS OF
01:39:48THE PAST, CHINA HAS BEEN VOCAL
01:39:51ABOUT THE NEED FOR ENVIRONMENTAL
01:39:53CONTROLS BUT HAS OBVIOUSLY -- IS
01:39:59THE LARGEST PRODUCER OF GREENHOUSE GASES.
01:40:01SO, I THINK WE -- WE SHOULD
01:40:04APPROACH CHINA WITH SOME SKEPTICISM, WHEN THEY ARE
01:40:07CALLING FOR INTERNATIONAL
01:40:10COOPERATION AROUND AI. I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO
01:40:14CATCH UP WITH THE CAPABILITIES THAT THE U.S. HAS, AND THEY WILL
01:40:18BE LOOKING FOR EVERY SINGLE WAY TO DO THAT.
01:40:19HOST: STEVE FROM TAMPA, FLORIDA. REPUBLICAN.
01:40:25GOOD MORNING, STEVE.
01:40:26CALLER: GOOD MORNING, JAZMINE.
01:40:30NEIL, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
01:40:32THE FIRST ONE IS YEARS AGO, THE TERM THINKING OUT OF THE BOX WAS
01:40:35WHAT DESCRIBED CREATING NEW IDEAS OR NEW WAYS OF DOING THINGS.
01:40:39THAT'S NOW WHAT AI IS BEING USED FOR.
01:40:42THE TERMINOLOGY I CAME UP WITH TO REPLACE THINKING OUT OF THE
01:40:45BOX WAS AGITATING INCONCEIVABLE'S.
01:40:49I THINK THAT'S WHAT AI IS DOING NOW.
01:40:53THE SECOND QUESTION IS DON'T ALL OF THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE THE
01:40:56TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES DON'T HAVE
01:41:00A VESTED INTEREST IN MAINTAINING
01:41:05THEIR BUSINESSES BY ASSURING WE HAVE A MUTUALLY ASSURED
01:41:07DESTRUCTION POLICY THAT SAVES US
01:41:11FROM NUCLEAR WAR.
01:41:12GUEST: I LOVE THAT TERM.
01:41:16I OFTEN THINK OF -- THERE IS AN
01:41:20ECONOMIST NAMED KIRZNER WHO TALKS ABOUT ADJACENT POSSIBLES.
01:41:24WHICH IS THAT THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT IT'S HARD TO THINK OF A NEW
01:41:28IDEA THAT IS FAR CONNECTED FROM ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW.
01:41:31SO, YOU OFTEN THINK OF THINGS THAT ARE SORT OF NEW COMBINATIONS OF THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW.
01:41:37I THINK AI IS HELPING PEOPLE DO THAT BETTER.
01:41:41IT CAN BRING A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONNECTIONS. ANYBODY WHO HAS BRAINSTORMED
01:41:45USING THE MORE POWERFUL MODELS KNOWS WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE TO
01:41:48HAVE YOUR OWN IDEA NOT QUITE FORMULATED, BUT TO BE ABLE TO
01:41:52EXPLORE IT AT LENGTH WITH WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY AN INTERACTIVE
01:41:58DATABASE INVOLVING HUMAN KNOWLEDGE.
01:42:02I DO THINK THEY HAVE AN INTEREST
01:42:07IN NOT BEING DESTROYED. I THINK WE ALL HAVE AN INTEREST
01:42:10IN HUMANITY NOT BEING DESTROYED.
01:42:13WHAT IS THE ACTUAL RISK THAT IS HERE AND HOW DO WE CALIBRATE TO THAT?
01:42:18I DON'T THINK THE ATOM BOMB COMPARISON IS PARTICULARLY USEFUL.
01:42:22I THINK IN MANY WAYS, THE ATOMIC
01:42:26EXPERIENCE SHOWS US THAT WE CAN
01:42:27OVERREACT TO RISKS, WHERE WE
01:42:31BASICALLY SHUT DOWN THE U.S. NUCLEAR POWER PLANT INDUSTRY FOR
01:42:35MANY, MANY YEARS AND IT'S MADE
01:42:39IT VERY HARD FOR US TO BUILD NEW ENERGY IN THIS COUNTRY IN A WAY
01:42:43THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MEET THE
01:42:44DEMANDS THAT WE NEED AND LOWER
01:42:48CONSUMERS PRICES. I DON'T THINK THAT ANALOGY IS PARTICULARLY CORRECT.
01:42:52ATOM BOMBS ARE NOT A GENERAL-PURPOSE TECHNOLOGY.
01:42:56ARCTIC -- WHEREAS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS.
01:43:00THERE IS A LOT ABUSES THAT WE
01:43:01CAN VERY SAFELY EMPLOY AND WE
01:43:06NEED TO CALIBRATE OUR APPROACH TO THE RISKS THAT WE ACTUALLY SEE.
01:43:11HOST: MATTHEW FROM DEARBORN,
01:43:15MICHIGAN. GOOD MORNING, MATTHEW. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
01:43:20WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RISK OF THIS.
01:43:24AND THE TOP IS CAN WE KEEP IT SAFE?
01:43:27THE GUY DID MAKE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ATOMIC BOMB.
01:43:31I REALIZE IT WAS A GENERAL-PURPOSE THING. BUT, WE DID USE THE ATOMIC BOMB.
01:43:36WE DIDN'T CONTAIN IT. WE USED IT TWO TIMES AND IT WAS VERY DESTRUCTIVE.
01:43:40WE ARE IN THE BEGINNING STAGES OF THIS THING.
01:43:47HOW ARE WE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THE SAFETY THAT WE ALL WANT?
01:43:50THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE'VE
01:43:53GOT HERE AND WE SEEM TO THINK WELL, WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
01:43:56I DON'T WANT NOBODY TO BEAT US
01:44:01IN THIS INDUSTRY.
01:44:03BUT, YOU GUYS DIDN'T CONVINCE ME ON THE SAFETY PART, YET.
01:44:06GUEST: I THINK YOUR VIEWS ARE
01:44:12REFLECTED.
01:44:15I THINK THE INDUSTRY NEEDS TO DO
01:44:16A MUCH BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING
01:44:19WHY THE PRODUCTS THEY ARE DELIVERING ARE USEFUL TO PEOPLE. THAT'S THE MAIN DOWNSIDE HERE.
01:44:23WE STILL HAVE -- ONLY 25% OF
01:44:26AMERICANS USE AI MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK.
01:44:31AND SO, I THINK PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A REAL TANGIBLE
01:44:34UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS IS BENEFITING THEIR LIVES YET.
01:44:38AND SO, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S TONS
01:44:41OF PEOPLE USING IT, WE NEED SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF THAT.
01:44:44I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO SEE THAT. THAT WILL HELP BUILD TRUST.
01:44:49I ENCOURAGE THE VIEWERS, IF YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED AROUND WITH
01:44:51SOMETHING LIKE META VIEWS, WHICH WAS A NEW PIECE OF SOFTWARE THAT
01:44:55CAN IDENTICALLY -- A
01:45:06GENTICALLY -- RIGHT NOW, WE ARE HEARING LOTS
01:45:09OF STORIES THAT ARE SCARY. I THINK GETTING SOME REAL
01:45:13HANDS-ON EXPERIENCE IN THE AMERICAN POPULACE WILL HELP.
01:45:17I THINK THAT WE NEED OTHER TYPES OF FRAMEWORKS THAT CAN HELP US
01:45:20UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THESE COMPANIES ARE DOING, WHAT THEY
01:45:24ARE DELIVERING AND BUY THEIR PRODUCT IS SAFE.
01:45:26HOST: ALL RIGHT.
01:45:29NEIL CHILSON FROM THE ABUNDANCE INSTITUTE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING.
01:45:32GUEST: THANK YOU.
01:45:33HOST: LATER ON, MORE OF YOUR
01:45:38CALLS AND COMMENTS IN OPEN FORUM.
01:45:39BUT UP NEXT, KIM WEHLE DISCUSSES
01:45:45THE LATEST SUPREME COURT'S -- STAY WITH US.
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01:46:40AND I TOLD HIM, BECAUSE WE HAD A TRUE SOURCE.
01:46:44AND THIS WAS A SINGLE SOURCE.
01:46:46IT WAS SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY WAS IN THE DECISION-MAKING.
01:46:51AND TOM SAID SUIT UP KID, YOU'RE GOING ON THE AIR.
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01:47:19PRESIDENT TRUMP XI JINPING TO THE UNITED STATES FOR A STATE VISIT.
01:47:23THE VISIT BEGINS WEDNESDAY WITH
01:47:27PRESIDENT XI JINPING'S ARRIVAL AT JOINT BASE ANDREWS.
01:47:31THEN WEDNESDAY, XI JINPING HEADS TO THE WHITE HOUSE FOR AN OFFICIAL WELCOME, FOLLOWED BY A
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01:47:41WATCH LIVE COVERAGE WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY ON THE C-SPAN NETWORKS.
01:47:44>> "WASHINGTON JOURNAL," CONTINUES.
01:47:47HOST: JOINING US AHEAD OF THE
01:47:532020 SIX MIDTERM ELECTIONS IS
01:47:54AUTHOR AND LAW PROFESSOR AND NBC NEWS CONTRIBUTOR KIM WEHLE.
01:47:59THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING. GUEST: GREAT TO BE WITH YOU AS ALWAYS.
01:48:02THANKS FOR HAVING ME. HOST: THE SUPREME COURT REJECTED
01:48:07PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ATTEMPT TO RESTRICT MAIL-IN BALLOTS THIS WEEK. TELL US MORE ABOUT THIS RULING
01:48:10AND WHY WAS IT SIGNIFICANT? GUEST: IT WAS A 7-2 RULING.
01:48:15IT WAS A BIG MAJORITY WITH JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH, THE
01:48:19ONLY JUSTICE WHO EXPLAINED FOR THE MAJORITY HIS VIEW ON IT.
01:48:24ESSENTIALLY, IN A BIG PICTURE
01:48:28STANDPOINT HERE, THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE STATES
01:48:31THE AUTHORITY TO SET THE TIME, PLACE AND MANNER OF ELECTIONS.
01:48:35CONGRESS CAN PARACHUTE IN WITH
01:48:39STATUTES AND DICTATE TERMS FOR
01:48:40FEDERAL ELECTIONS, AND THEN THE
01:48:43STATES OFTEN TIMES WILL GO ALONG WITH THOSE TERMS FOR THEIR ELECTIONS, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER.
01:48:50THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO PART OF THE CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
01:48:53ANY AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING,
01:48:57WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS. PRESIDENT TRUMP ISSUED AN
01:49:00EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD --
01:49:03THAT ATTEMPTED TO USE THE UNITED
01:49:05STATES POSTAL SERVICE, WHICH IS
01:49:08AN ARM OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
01:49:10TO BASICALLY KIND OF AUDIT
01:49:13MAIL-IN BALLOTS. IT HAD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT
01:49:16PROVISIONS ON IT, INCLUDING HAVING THE STATES CREATE VOTER
01:49:20ELIGIBILITY LISTS, HAVING THE
01:49:22FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CREATE A
01:49:24VOTER ELIGIBILITY LIST, AND ESSENTIALLY USING THE POSTAL
01:49:28SERVICE AS A MONITORING DEVICE
01:49:29AND ALSO REQUIRED CHANGING THE
01:49:33BALANCE TO HAVE A SPECIAL BARCODE, ETC.
01:49:36AND IT CONTAINED PROVISIONS THAT
01:49:39SUGGESTED CRIMINAL LIABILITY FOR
01:49:41STATE ELECTION OFFICIALS, IF THEY SENT BALLOTS TO PEOPLE THAT
01:49:44WERE DEEMED "INELIGIBLE" IN SOME WAY OR FORM.
01:49:49THERE IS A COUPLE OF CHALLENGES TO THIS.
01:49:51ONE THAT I LAID OUT IS THE BIG CONSTITUTIONAL PROBLEM.
01:49:55THE SECOND IS THAT THE POSTAL SERVICE'S JOB IS TO DELIVER MAIL.
01:49:59IT'S NOT ABOUT ELECTIONS. SO, CONGRESS DID NOT ENVISION
01:50:02THIS KIND OF POWER FOR THE POSTAL SERVICE.
01:50:06BUT, JUSTICE KAVANAUGH'S
01:50:09CONCERN, WHY HE JOINED THE MAJORITY HERE, WAS THAT WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE MIDTERMS, TO RAM
01:50:13THIS THROUGH FROM THE FEDERAL
01:50:16GOVERNMENT TO THE STATES, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, EVEN IF
01:50:19IT WAS LEGAL OR CONSTITUTIONAL,
01:50:22WHICH WOULD MOST LIKELY END UP DISENFRANCHISING A WHOLE LOT OF LEGITIMATE VOTERS.
01:50:25HOST: NOW, JUSTICE SAMUEL ALITO,
01:50:33JUSTICES SAMUEL ALITO AND CLARENCE THOMAS DISSENTED. WHAT WAS THE RATIONALE?
01:50:37GUEST: THE MAIN ONE WHERE THEY
01:50:41OPENED HAD TO DO WITH CONSTITUTIONAL STANDING.
01:50:44ESSENTIALLY, THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY MADE IS THAT THERE IS NO
01:50:48ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY HURT BY THIS. AND SO, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING
01:50:52YOU CAN COME TO THE COURTS FOR NOW.
01:50:55I THINK STANDING IS ACTUALLY NOT A VERY HIGH BAR. THE IDEA IS YOU JUST DON'T WANT
01:50:59TO BE RUNNING INTO COURT ANY TIME YOU COULD GO TO ONE OF THE
01:51:02OTHER BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
01:51:04AND THEN THEY MADE A PRETTY NOVEL SERIES OF ARGUMENTS
01:51:08SUGGESTING THAT ACTUALLY THIS IS
01:51:11REALLY ABOUT THE POWER OF THE POSTAL SERVICE. IT DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
01:51:15WITH THE CONSTITUTION. SO, KIND OF CUTTING THROUGH ALL
01:51:18OF THAT, THEY WERE VERY
01:51:25TECHNICAL JUSTIFICATIONS FOR SIDING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP.
01:51:28MY CONCERN WITH THE DISSENTING OPINION IS ONE POSSIBLE TAKE
01:51:32AWAY IS THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO CHALLENGE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
01:51:36AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY HARD,
01:51:38IF THE IMPLICATIONS COULD BE
01:51:44MASS DISENFRANCHISEMENT, THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T JUST BE ABLE TO
01:51:48GO TO COURT AND BE HEARD ON WHETHER THIS IS LEGAL, I THINK
01:51:50THAT'S A PRETTY WEAK ARGUMENT
01:51:53THAT IS ONE WAY OF INTERPRETING THE DISSENTING JUSTICES POINT OF VIEW.
01:51:57IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF THING PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A JUDGE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
01:52:01HOST: WERE YOU SURPRISED TO SEE
01:52:04JUSTICE KAVANAUGH, WHO WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PICK IN THAT
01:52:08VERY INFAMOUS HEARING
01:52:11NOMINATION, ETC., JOINED THE
01:52:15LEFT-LEANING JUSTICES IN DENYING THE PRESIDENT'S ORDER?
01:52:17GUEST: IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT IS
01:52:21SURPRISING AND NOT SURPRISING WITH THIS MAJORITY, PARTICULARLY
01:52:25WITH THE SPECTER JUSTICE KAVANAUGH AND JUSTICE AMY CONEY
01:52:28BARRETT, AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE, WHO TEND TO SOMETIMES WILL JOIN
01:52:31THE MORE MODERATE FRANKLY
01:52:35JUSTICES ON THE COURT. I WOULD NOT EVEN CALL THEM LIBERAL.
01:52:37I WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISED, JUST
01:52:39BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME
01:52:42THIS ISSUE CAME BEFORE THE COURT ON AN EMERGENCY MOTION AND THE
01:52:45LAST TIME THE COURT SIDED WITH
01:52:48THE PRESIDENT.
01:52:55THERE WAS SOME STORY ABOUT HOW IT WENT UP AND DOWN TO THE SUPREME COURT.
01:52:59SO I THINK THERE WAS A REAL
01:53:01CHANCE THAT JUSTICE KAVANAUGH, JUSTICE AMY CONEY BARRETT COULD
01:53:04HAVE JOINED A MAJORITY HERE AND
01:53:07THAT WE WOULD BE IN COMPLETE
01:53:09CHAOS, PROBABLY BETWEEN NOW AND THE MIDTERMS, EVEN IF THERE WAS
01:53:14A LEGAL JUSTIFICATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE IS, FOR THE
01:53:17PRESIDENT'S EXECUTIVE ORDER. I SHOULD ALSO SAY, THERE IS ALSO
01:53:21SOMETHING CALLED THE PERSONNEL PRINCIPAL, WHERE THE --
01:53:25PER CELL PRINCIPLE.
01:53:35THEY SAY ESSENTIALLY THIS IS DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING UNLESS
01:53:38IT'S A REAL -- AND UNLESS IT'S A
01:53:42REAL FOUR ALARM FIRE, WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS AFTER THE ELECTIONS.
01:53:46I THINK IT WAS IMPLIED IN HIS
01:53:47CONCURRING OPINION, HE WAS JUST OF THE MINDSET THAT THIS IS TOO
01:53:53CLOSE. WE ARE JUDGES, JUSTICES, WE ARE NOT ELECTED. WE ARE HERE FOR LIFE.
01:53:57WE ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE AT THE BALLOT BOX.
01:53:59THIS IS DEMOCRACY FUNCTIONING, PEOPLE GOING AND VOTING.
01:54:02IT'S NOT UP TO FIVE PEOPLE IN
01:54:04ROBES TO STEP IN AT THIS LATE MOMENT, WHEN I SAID THE
01:54:09CONSTITUTION GIVES THIS AUTHORITY TO THE STATES AND CONGRESS.
01:54:12THERE IS NOT A WORD IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT GIVES THE PRESIDENT ANY ROLE IN FEDERAL
01:54:16ELECTIONS. IF WE WANT THAT TO CHANGE, WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION.
01:54:19HOST: I WANT TO INVITE OUR
01:54:23VIEWERS TO JOIN IN ON THE CONVERSATION TO ASK KIM
01:54:26QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS LADED MAY
01:54:29-- LATEST MAIL-IN BALLOT RULING. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
01:54:33748-8000. REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
01:54:37748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, YOUR LINE IS (202)
01:54:41748-8002. START CALLING IT NOW SO YOU CAN
01:54:45PEPPER KIM WITH SOME QUESTIONS. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
01:54:48PRESIDENT'S REACTION TO THIS RULING. OBVIOUSLY, HE WAS PRETTY UPSET ABOUT IT.
01:54:53AND ON TRUTH SOCIAL, HE POSTED
01:54:55THESE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE I INTERVIEWED TO SERVE ON THE
01:54:58UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT. THEY ARE MERELY A SHELL OF THEIR
01:55:02ORIGINAL SELVES. A PORT THAT IS COSTING THE UNITED STATES TRILLIONS OF
01:55:06DOLLARS WITH SHOCKINGLY BAD RULINGS THAT ARE OF SUCH
01:55:09MAGNITUDE THAT IT WILL -- WON'T
01:55:15BE EASILY POSSIBLE FOR OUR COUNTRY TO HEAL OR RECOVER.
01:55:19ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND HE RESPONDED TO THAT TRUTH SOCIAL POST. TAKE A LISTEN.
01:55:23>> OF COURSE, WE ARE GOING TO
01:55:27COMPLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION, AS WE ALWAYS DO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ARE
01:55:31NOT GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT WE CAN
01:55:33TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE FAIR ELECTIONS.
01:55:38THERE IS THIS CONSTANT PRESSURE
01:55:41IN THIS EFFORT BY THE MEDIA AND
01:55:44MOSTLY BY DEMOCRATS, THAT SOMEHOW DOING THAT IS A BAD THING.
01:55:47EVERYBODY SHOULD WANT THAT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SHOULD
01:55:50WANT FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. SO, WHILE THE SUPREME COURT DID
01:55:54WHAT IT DID, WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP THE WORK WE ARE DOING.
01:55:57WHAT WE ARE OF COURSE GOING TO FOLLOW THE ORDERS OF THE COURT.
01:56:00AS FAR AS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
01:56:02TRUTH ABOUT THE JUSTICES, HE'S VERY FRUSTRATED.
01:56:07I WAS NOT AT THE INTERVIEWS THAT
01:56:09HE WAS -- THAT HE PARTICIPATED IN DURING THE LAST
01:56:12ADMINISTRATION, WHEN HE SELECTED THESE FOLKS TO BE ON THE SUPREME
01:56:16COURT. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT.
01:56:18AND INDEED, HE SHOULD
01:56:21COMMUNICATE HIS CONCERNS WITH THE SUPREME COURT, WHENEVER HE HAS THEM.
01:56:25THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THAT HE'S DONE AND IT WON'T BE THE LAST.
01:56:28HE'S ALSO PUBLICLY VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPREME
01:56:31COURT, WHEN THERE'S DECISIONS THAT HE VERY MUCH AGREES WITH.
01:56:34THAT'S WHAT A DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT. DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND
01:56:38PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING CRITICAL OF FOLKS ON THE SUPREME COURT.
01:56:42WE VERY MUCH DISAGREE WITH THE SUPREME COURT'S DECISION.
01:56:44THAT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS FROM OUR PAPERS AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE
01:56:48SAID PUBLICLY ABOUT THE CASE.
01:56:50AND SO, I -- I AM ALSO UPSET
01:56:54ABOUT THE SUPREME COURT DECISION. BUT, THE IDEA THAT PRESIDENT
01:56:57TRUMP SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO COMMUNICATE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HIS FRUSTRATION, I DON'T SHARE THAT.
01:57:02HOST: WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO
01:57:05ATTORNEY GENERAL TODD BLANCHE? GUEST: HONESTLY I'M REALLY HAPPY
01:57:09TO HEAR AND AMERICANS SHOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES SAY
01:57:12THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS
01:57:14GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE SUPREME COURT RULING. THERE HAVE BEEN HUNDREDS OF
01:57:18LOWER FEDERAL COURT RULINGS REPORTEDLY THAT THE JUSTICE
01:57:21DEPARTMENT HAS NOT COMPLIED WITH AND LOWER FEDERAL COURT JUDGES ARE FRUSTRATED.
01:57:24SOME OF THEM HAVE ALSO BEEN PUT IN HARM'S WAY.
01:57:28AND PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT
01:57:30THE ROLE OF MANY PEOPLE -- MANY
01:57:35PEOPLE IT SEEMS LIKE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE ROLE OF
01:57:39FEDERAL COURT JUDGES IS TO CALL
01:57:40BALLS AND STRIKES BASED ON
01:57:44FEDERAL LAW. IT'S NOT TO --
01:57:49THEY WERE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
01:57:51TODD BLANCHE'S ARGUMENT AND THE
01:57:54ARGUMENT BEHIND THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ON MAIL-IN VOTING, THE
01:57:58ARGUMENT THAT WE ALL SHOULD BE
01:58:01BEHIND FRAUD FREE ELECTIONS,
01:58:03THAT -- THAT'S A UNIVERSAL
01:58:07PRINCIPLE. THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S NO
01:58:09PROBLEM THERE IN A REALISTIC
01:58:13WAY.
01:58:13STATISTICS SHOW .00043% OF VOTES
01:58:21ARE FRAUDULENT, HISTORICALLY, IN ELECTIONS.
01:58:2730% OF AMERICANS WILL VOTE BY
01:58:32MAIL INCLUDING DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF. HE VOTES BY MAIL. THERE IS NOT FRAUD.
01:58:37IT IS INFINITESIMAL. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM THAT THE
01:58:39AMERICAN TAXPAYER SHOULD BE WORRYING ABOUT OR HAVE THEIR
01:58:43TAXPAYER DOLLARS GO TOWARD. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN THE UNITED STATES.
01:58:46I KNOW THE CALLERS KNOW THIS MORE INTIMATELY THAN ANY ONE
01:58:49PERSON DOES IN THEIR OWN LIVES.
01:58:53THAT I THINK IS A RUSE AND THE BIGGER CONCERN HERE IS THAT THIS
01:58:57IS BEING USED TO ACTUALLY PUT
01:58:58THE THUMB ON THE SCALE, A POLITICAL THUMB ON THE SCALE OF
01:59:03THE ELECTIONS, AND TAKE THE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS AWAY FROM THE
01:59:06AMERICAN PEOPLE. BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, THE
01:59:10CONCERN WITH THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER IS IN ORDER TO PROGRESS --
01:59:15ADDRESS .00043% OF FRAUD, WHICH
01:59:19IS ALREADY A FELONY AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, SO PEOPLE DON'T
01:59:21DO IT, IN ORDER TO GET IT DOWN EVEN MORE, WE ARE GOING TO
01:59:26TOLERATE DISENFRANCHISING PEOPLE THROUGH CHAOS AND A SYSTEM THAT
01:59:29THE POSTAL SERVICE DOES NOT EVEN HALF. IT'S NOT EVEN SET UP.
01:59:32IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY LOGICAL SENSE. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER,
01:59:36YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.
01:59:38JUST NEED TO HAVE COMMON SENSE TO SAY LISTEN, WE ARE NOT A MONARCHY.
01:59:42WE ARE A DEMOCRACY. AND THAT MEANS THAT THE PEOPLE
01:59:46ARE THE BOSSES OF OUR GOVERNMENT ACTORS, AND THE WAY THAT WE SHOW
01:59:50WHETHER WE WANT THEM IN OFFICE OR NOT, WHETHER YOU ARE HIRED OR FIRED, IS TO GO TO THE BALLOT BOX.
01:59:56AND THERE JUST ISN'T THIS WIDESPREAD FRAUD TO JUSTIFY
01:59:58TAKING THAT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE
02:00:03VALIDLY AT THE BALLOT BOX.
02:00:07HOST: ONE QUESTION WE HAVE FROM TWITTER HERE, COULD A STATE HAVE
02:00:12ADOPTED THE TRUMP POST OFFICE
02:00:14RULE FOR THAT STATE, IF IT SHOWS?
02:00:17IF SO, WHY DO YOU THINK NOT HAVE DONE SO?
02:00:21GUEST: THERE ARE TWO BIG PIECES
02:00:25OF THIS RULE. ONE WAS LETTERS WENT OUT TO STATES.
02:00:29THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE INJUNCTIONS THAT FEDERAL COURTS
02:00:32HAVE ISSUED BASICALLY WHERE --
02:00:36AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TRYING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT
02:00:39VOTERS FROM THE STATES.
02:00:41ONE IS HAND OVER ELIGIBLE VOTER
02:00:44LISTS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
02:00:47SO THERE ARE PRIVACY LAW
02:00:49QUESTIONS AND STATES DON'T
02:00:53NECESSARILY HAVE THESE THINGS AT THE READY, PURSUANT TO THAT CRITERIA THAT DONALD TRUMP
02:00:58PROPOSED IN THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER AND THERE IS THIS IDEA THAT THE
02:01:02FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS DIRECTED TO USE FEDERAL INFORMATION TO
02:01:05COMPILE VOTER ELIGIBILITY LISTS
02:01:07SO STATES HAVE THE AUTHORITY
02:01:11OVER ELECTIONS FOR THE MOST PART
02:01:14APPEAR IN THEY CAN DO WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CONSTITUTION
02:01:17WHAT THEY WANT PURSUANT TO STATE LAW SO STATE LEGISLATORS DECIDED
02:01:21WITHIN THE RULES OF THE STATE, WE LIKE THESE IDEAS.
02:01:24THE PARTS IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER WE LIKE WE WILL CHANGE OUR STATE
02:01:28LAW TO GO ALONG WITH IT. WE THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
02:01:33THAT IS, SO LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH STATE LAW AND OTHER AUTONOMY ISSUES, PERFECTLY FINE.
02:01:38BUT ONE STATE HANDING OVER THEIR
02:01:42INFORMATION TO THE POST OFFICE WOULD THEN CREATE THIS AUDITING
02:01:45SYSTEM AND SPECIAL BALLOTS, ALL OF THAT. I THINK THE THEORY BEHIND THE
02:01:50PRESIDENT'S ORDER IS A
02:01:54NATIONWIDE AUDITING SYSTEM FOR
02:01:57VOTERS, BASICALLY, AND I DON'T THINK ONE OR TWO STATES WILL BE
02:01:59IN A POSITION EVEN IF THEY WERE AMENABLE TO GO ALONG WITH IT TO
02:02:02CREATE WHAT THE PRESIDENT WANTS
02:02:06FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTIONS, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
02:02:10HOST: JAN FROM OREGON, DEMOCRAT,
02:02:15GOOD MORNING.
02:02:16CALLER: LAWYERS THINK THAT LAW
02:02:24CARRIES WEIGHT AND I SEE A LOT
02:02:26OF GNASHING OF TEETH AND NOTHING
02:02:30EVER HAPPENS.
02:02:31WHEN LAWLESSNESS WILL ACTUALLY
02:02:34DESTROY LIFE AND WHAT I SEE WITH
02:02:39VOTING IS IT IS THE MOST
02:02:43EFFICIENT WAY TO MAKE SURE
02:02:46EVERYONE'S VOTE IS COUNTED AND
02:02:48THEY HAVE EVERY SEAT TO SAY THIS
02:02:53MAN VOTED OR THIS WOMAN VOTED IN
02:02:58THIS ELECTION AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO VOTE IN THIS ELECTION
02:03:01SO COULD YOU ADDRESS THIS, PLEASE?
02:03:04GUEST: YOU MAKE A GOOD THRESHOLD
02:03:07POINT THAT I TALK A LOT ABOUT WHEN I SPEAK GENERALLY ABOUT
02:03:11LAWYERS AND THE LAW, WHICH IS WE HAVE LAWS AND THEN WE HAVE THE
02:03:14IDEA OF ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS.
02:03:17SO WE HAVE SPEED LIMITS AND IT
02:03:19MIGHT SAY YOU GO 35 MILES PER
02:03:23HOUR AND PEOPLE WILL GO 50 MILES PER HOUR UNTIL THEY GET A TICKET IN THE MAIL.
02:03:27IT IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW THAT ACTUALLY MAKES THE LAW
02:03:30MEANINGFUL AND THIS IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE ARE HAVING NOW
02:03:34IN AMERICAN DEMOCRACY, THAT LAWS
02:03:37ARE JUST NOT BEING COMPLIED WITH
02:03:39AND THERE IS NO TICKETS BEING ISSUED FOR SPEEDING BY OUR
02:03:43ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE LAWS UNDER THE NEW
02:03:46LAWS BECOME OPTIONAL AND THEN WE
02:03:49HAVE A SOCIETY THAT IS LAWLESS
02:03:52AND THAT MEANS BASIC RIGHTS AND
02:03:54SAFETY GO BY THE WAYSIDE FOR
02:03:58EVERYONE, NOT JUST REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS AND THAT IS A
02:04:02PRIMARY THEME THAT GETS LOST IN THIS PARTISANSHIP, THAT IT IS
02:04:05REALLY GOOD THAT WE HAVE THE RULE OF LAW.
02:04:08THAT MAKES OUR LIVES EASIER AND
02:04:10BETTER THAN MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
02:04:13IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD. THE ISSUE OF MAIL-IN BALLOT --
02:04:17EVERY STATE ACTUALLY HAS SOME
02:04:21FORM OF MAIL-IN BALLOT SYSTEM. THERE IS SOME WHERE EVERYONE
02:04:25GETS A MAIL-IN BALLOT. I THINK UTAH AND CALIFORNIA ARE
02:04:29TWO EXAMPLES. THERE ARE STATES WHERE YOU CAN OPT IN FOR A MAIL-IN BALLOT AND
02:04:32STATES WHERE YOU CAN OPT IN AND
02:04:35YOU HAVE TO HAVE A JUSTIFICATION OR REASON.
02:04:37IF YOU ARE IN THE MILITARY OR
02:04:40LIVING ABROAD, FEDERAL LAW SAYS YOU GET A MAIL-IN BALLOT AND
02:04:43MAIL-IN BALLOTS ARE HELPFUL NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE OVERSEAS BUT FOR
02:04:48ELDERLY, FOR LOWER INCOME FOLKS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE -- DON'T
02:04:51NECESSARILY HAVE A CAR. THAT MAKES IT EASIER TO GO TO A
02:04:55POLLING PLACE OR THEIR JOB DOES NOT MAKE IT FLEXIBLE TO BE ABLE TO PHYSICALLY VOTE ON THE DAY OR
02:04:59PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND WE
02:05:02HAVE -- I KNOW THE LAST HOUR WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AI.
02:05:06WE ARE A TECHNICAL SOCIETY AND WE BANK ONLINE AND DO ALL KINDS
02:05:09OF THINGS THAT ARE PERSONAL AND PRIVATE.
02:05:13WE HAVE DOCTORS VISITS ONLINE.
02:05:13THERE ARE WAYS TO USE THE MAIL
02:05:17SYSTEM AND TECHNOLOGY TO MAKE THINGS SECURE.
02:05:20THERE ARE DEBATES AS TO HOW TO DO THAT WITH VOTING SO SOME PEOPLE THINK PENCIL AND PAPER
02:05:26ARE IDEAL. I THINK THIS BOGEYMAN AROUND
02:05:30FRAUD AND MAIL-IN BALLOTS IS NOT
02:05:32AN ACTUAL PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO
02:05:35PRIORITIZE IF YOU ARE GOING INTO
02:05:39THE ER AND YOUR HEART STOPPED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BROKEN ANKLE
02:05:42YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DOCTORS GET YOUR HEART GOING.
02:05:46THIS FRAUDULENT VOTING IS A BROKEN TOENAIL.
02:05:49IT IS NOT EVEN A BROKEN ANKLE.
02:05:57.00043 ARE THE STATISTICALLY THE
02:05:58NUMBER OF FRAUDULENT VOTERS,
02:06:01INCLUDING NONCITIZENS, AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE IT IS A FELONY
02:06:03AND PEOPLE DON'T TEND TO VOTE
02:06:06AND POTENTIALLY GO TO JAIL ON ONE VOTE AND RISK EVERYTHING FOR THAT.
02:06:11HOST: SALLY SAYS ON THIS ISSUE,
02:06:15IF A FUTURE ADMINISTRATION
02:06:16WANTED RULES FOR MAIL-IN VOTING,
02:06:20WHAT WOULD IT NEED TO DO DIFFERENTLY TO MAKE THOSE RULES LEGALLY DURABLE?
02:06:26GUEST: THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO TO
02:06:30THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, WHICH IN THIS MOMENT DONALD TRUMP -- THE REPUBLICANS CONTROL
02:06:33BOTH CHAMBERS SO THIS IS A GOOD QUESTION.
02:06:36THE FIRST ONE OF THESE MAIL-IN
02:06:40BALLOT EXECUTIVE ORDERS WAS ISSUED IN 2025 AND STOPPED BY
02:06:44THE COURSE OF THIS HAS BEEN ON
02:06:45HIS MIND SINCE HE BEGAN THIS
02:06:50TERM AND HE COULD HAVE GONE TO
02:06:51HIS FRIENDS ON CAPITOL HILL AND
02:06:55GOTTEN A FEDERAL LAW PASSED FOR FEDERAL ELECTIONS.
02:06:59IF YOU HAVE REGISTERED TO VOTE
02:07:00AT THE DMV IN YOUR STATE, THAT
02:07:04IS AN EXAMPLE OF A FEDERAL LAW THAT APPLIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
02:07:09THERE MIGHT BE DETAILS IN A
02:07:10FEDERAL LAW, STATUTORY LAW THAT
02:07:14WOULD HAVE CHALLENGES, JUDICIAL CHALLENGES UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
02:07:18WE ARE TALKING THEORETICALLY BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT
02:07:22WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAW
02:07:25, NOT GET PEOPLE STRESSED OR ANXIOUS ABOUT ANY OF THIS.
02:07:29THAT IS HOW OUR SEPARATION OF POWERS FUNCTIONS.
02:07:32CONGRESS MAKES LAWS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT APPLY NATIONWIDE SO LONG AS THEY
02:07:36COMPLY WITH THE CONSTITUTION. HOST: RONNIE FROM FLORIDA,
02:07:40REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING.
02:07:42CALLER: SOME STATES OPERATE
02:07:47DIFFERENTLY, LIKE CALIFORNIA DOES MASS MAIL OUT BALLOTS TO
02:07:49ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE THAT ESSENTIALLY ALLOW BALLOT
02:07:52HARVESTING WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO DOOR-TO-DOOR AND SAY DID YOU GET YOUR BALLOT?
02:07:57HERE'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO. I WANT YOU TO FILL THIS OUT.
02:08:00I KNOW THE LONG-TERM CARE
02:08:05BUSINESS, THE RESIDENT AND NURSING HOME BUSINESS, THEIR
02:08:09ORGANIZATIONS THAT ACTUALLY
02:08:12EXHIBIT TRADESHOWS LOOKING TO GET TO ADMINISTRATORS TO SAY I
02:08:14WANT TO COME IN AND REGISTER AND
02:08:18TALK TO ALL YOUR RESIDENCE TO GET ALL YOUR RESIDENTS TO VOTE A
02:08:22CERTAIN WAY.
02:08:22IN NORTH CAROLINA, STATES HAVE
02:08:27MOTOR VOTER LAWS. I HAVE GONE TO GET MY LICENSE
02:08:30AND I HAVE GONE UP AND THEY SAID, DO YOU WANT TO READ SURE
02:08:33TO VOTE? I SAID I DON'T AND THEY SAID,
02:08:36REALLY, DO YOU WANT TO REGISTER TO VOTE?
02:08:39I SAID NO AND THEY SAID YOU HAVE
02:08:41TO SIGN SOMETHING TO GIVE A
02:08:44AFFIDAVIT THAT WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO VOTE AND YOU HAVE NOT AND YOU
02:08:48HAVE AGREED NOT TO VOTE.
02:08:50IN THAT PARTICULAR DMV THERE
02:08:52WERE MANY PEOPLE IN LINE WHO DID
02:08:55NOT SPEAK ENGLISH THAT I SUSPECT WERE NOT CITIZENS SO I WAS
02:08:59THINKING IN MY MIND, IF YOU ARE GOING TO EVERY PERSON
02:09:03INTIMIDATING THEM TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND THEY ARE GETTING
02:09:05DRIVER'S LICENSE, ILLEGAL
02:09:09PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS, ARE GETTING DRIVERS
02:09:12LICENSES, IS INTO THAT A RECIPE FOR FRAUD?
02:09:14GUEST: THIS IS A GREAT HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION.
02:09:20I THINK GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED,
02:09:23DATING BACK TO THE JANUARY 6 CHAOS AND VIOLENCE AT THE UNITED
02:09:27STATE CAPITAL, THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF NATIONAL ATTENTION ON
02:09:31THIS. THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PRIORITIES FOR MANY
02:09:34YEARS NOW WITH PRESUMABLY A LOT
02:09:36OF PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THE FRAUD
02:09:41AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND THE FRAUD.
02:09:44A LOT OF RESOURCES, A LOT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS INVESTIGATING
02:09:47THIS SCENARIO YOU PAINT AND I
02:09:49THINK THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE
02:09:51NOT FOUND THE FRAUD, JUST A
02:09:56HANDFUL OF 100 PLUS OVER THE LAST -- I DON'T HAVE THE
02:10:01STATISTICS IN HAND, BUT NOT MANY
02:10:05ACTUAL CASES OF FRAUD THAT HAVE BEEN FOUND DESPITE THE RESOURCES
02:10:08LOOKING FOR THAT FRAUD, I THINK
02:10:11THAT IS A GOOD THING. IT IS A GOOD THING THAT WE
02:10:14CANNOT FIND THE FRAUD. THAT MEANS WE HAVE A FUNCTIONING
02:10:17DEMOCRACY AND WE SHOULD REALLY ALL BE WORKING TO KEEP IT.
02:10:21IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THERE ARE
02:10:22PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING ELDERLY
02:10:26WHO ARE IN HOMES OR FACILITIES
02:10:28WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS BUT THEY ARE CITIZENS, THEY HAVE A
02:10:32RIGHT TO HAVE A SAY IN THEIR
02:10:35DEMOCRACY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING THEM, THAT IS
02:10:39ALSO A GOOD THING. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM SOMEONE CRIMINALLY VOTING.
02:10:46IMAGINE -- YOU'RE GOING TO SAY I'M GOING TO FRAUDULENT VOTE. THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM MISTAKES.
02:10:53BUT FOR ONE VOTE YOU'RE GOING TO
02:10:57THREATEN YOUR LIBERTY TO POTENTIALLY GO TO FEDERAL PRISON? I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE ARE
02:11:01GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION AND,
02:11:06AGAIN, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE HAVE NOT BEEN MUCH FRAUD THAT
02:11:09HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED, NOTWITHSTANDING A LOT OF
02:11:13RESOURCES AND POLITICAL ENERGY
02:11:16GOING AROUND THIS ISSUE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
02:11:20MISINFORMATION THAT SOMEHOW THIS IS A PROBLEM. IT IS REALLY NOT FACTUALLY A PROBLEM.
02:11:24WE HAVE OTHER SERIOUS PROBLEMS,
02:11:26ECONOMIC PROBLEMS IN UNITED
02:11:31STATES. VOTERS KNOW IN THEIR OWN LIVES
02:11:34WHAT THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO DO. THIS IS NOT ONE OF THE TOP ONES,
02:11:38NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE THINGS
02:11:39THAT ARE TAXPAYER DOLLARS SHOULD GO TO FIXING.
02:11:46HOST: TERRY FROM WASHINGTON,
02:11:50D.C., AND INDEPENDENT. CALLER: I HAVE A HYPOTHETICAL ALSO.
02:11:57AS IT POSSIBLE THAT SPEAKER
02:11:59JOHNSON IN SOME WEIRD SCENARIO
02:12:02WOULD NOT -- IF THERE ARE A LOT
02:12:05OF DEMOCRATS THAT WIN, IS IT
02:12:07POSSIBLE HE WILL NOT SEE TO IN JANUARY?
02:12:11I WILL TAKE MY ANSWER OFF THE AIR.
02:12:13GUEST: ANOTHER GREAT QUESTION HERE IN THE VIEWERS REALLY ARE
02:12:17ON TOP OF THESE ISSUES.
02:12:20SO A JUDGE WHO WAS A VERY HIGHLY
02:12:27RESPECTED CONSERVATIVE JUDGE ON THE SHORTLIST FOR THE UNITED
02:12:29STATE SUPREME COURT, NECK AND
02:12:34NECK WITH CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS, HE RECENTLY DID A COLUMN ON THIS
02:12:38WHERE HE POSITED THAT ORR SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE
02:12:41NOT BECAUSE THE SPEAKER HAS ANY
02:12:47TECHNICAL POWER OVER MIDTERMS. WE KNOW THERE IS A PRESIDENTIAL
02:12:50HANDOFF THERE IS A ROLE FOR THE
02:12:54UNITED STATES CONGRESS TO COUNT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES.
02:12:57THAT IS WHEN THE PROBLEM WAS IN
02:13:012021, 2020 WITH THE 2020
02:13:05ELECTION IN 2021 HANDOVER OF POWER BUT SPEAKER JOHNSON ACCORDING TO THE JUDGE NOTES
02:13:09THAT HE -- THE CLERK OF THE
02:13:14HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DOES
02:13:14HAVE TO DO SOME HOUSEKEEPING TO
02:13:19ACTUALLY CREATE THE ROLE, THE
02:13:22LIST OF THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
02:13:26THE SPEAKER HAS I THINK HE IS IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF THIS
02:13:29CLERK AND THERE COULD BE
02:13:33SHENANIGANS THAT WOULD BASICALLY
02:13:35CREATE A SITUATION WHERE CERTAIN
02:13:38NEWLY ELECTED DEMOCRATS WERE NOT
02:13:43GETTING ON THE ROLES AND CANNOT FUNCTION AND WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE COURTS AND THE SUPREME COURT
02:13:47SO WE WOULD HAVE WEEKS OF IT
02:13:50SITTING AND NOT HAVING A FUNCTION CONGRESS OR FUNCTIONING -- NOT HAVING DEMOCRATS
02:13:55REPRESENTED AS VOTERS DESIRE.
02:13:57THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM STATE CERTIFICATIONS.
02:14:00THERE ARE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS
02:14:02OF PEOPLE AT THE STATE LEVEL, A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS AND PATRIOTS
02:14:06THAT DO THIS FOR THE REST OF US
02:14:09AND THEY WILL HAVE TO CERTIFY THEIR OWN ELECTION RESULTS AND
02:14:14HOPEFULLY, I ASSUME, THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND THE
02:14:17DUTY TO THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS AND FELLOW AMERICANS
02:14:21AND PROPERLY COUNT THOSE VOTES SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE
02:14:23COULD BE CONFUSION BUT UNTIL
02:14:28NOW, 2026, WE HAVE HAD FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS IN THIS COUNTRY
02:14:31AND THAT KEEPS THE POWER IN THE
02:14:34PEOPLE AND NOT IN THE POWERFUL PEER AND PUTTING THE POWER WITH
02:14:37THE POWERFUL IS MORPHING AMERICA
02:14:40INTO SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT,
02:14:43MORE LIKE A MONARCHY AND WE HAVE
02:14:46ALL WATCHED THE MUSICAL HAMILTON .
02:14:48250 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS REJECTED
02:14:52BY OUR FOREFATHERS AND MOTHERS. HOST: SOMETHING ELSE WE SAW THIS
02:14:56WEEK WAS THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS PHOTOGRAPHED ON AIR FORCE ONE
02:15:02LOOKING OVER DEMOLITION PLANS FOR THE KENNEDY CENTER, TALKING
02:15:05ABOUT HOW HE -- TALK ABOUT HOW
02:15:10HE IS CIRCUMVENTING A JUDGE ORDER TO REMOVE HIS NAME FROM
02:15:13THE FACADE. YOU CAN SEE IT ON THE SCREEN.
02:15:17IT SAYS KENNEDY DEMOLITION.
02:15:21OR SEEMS TO SAY KENNEDY CENTER DEMOLITION IN ANOTHER PHOTO.
02:15:25CAN HE LEGALLY TEAR DOWN THE KENNEDY CENTER?
02:15:29GUEST: LEGALLY, THIS IS LIKE THE
02:15:34SPEEDING TICKET ANALOGY. NO. IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
02:15:38BUT I THINK JUSTICE JACKSON SAID
02:15:42THIS PRESIDENT AND HIS ADMINISTRATION IS PLAYING A CATCH ME IF YOU CAN GAME.
02:15:48I'M NOT GOING TO ASK FOR PERMISSION OR FORGIVENESS.
02:15:50I'M GOING TO DO THESE THINGS AND
02:15:53DARE ANYBODY IN THE SYSTEM TO MAKE ME STOP.
02:15:57AND THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT,
02:16:01INCLUDING THREE JUSTICES WHO WERE CHOSEN BY DONALD, HAVE
02:16:03SIDED WITH DONALD TRUMP.
02:16:06IT IS IRONIC TO HEAR THE
02:16:12PRESIDENT COMPLAIN BECAUSE THESE JUSTICES ON EMERGENCY MOTIONS
02:16:15HAVE CITED TIME AND TIME AGAIN
02:16:17WITH THE PRESIDENT IN LANGUAGE
02:16:21THAT, AS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW
02:16:23PERSON, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ME.
02:16:26THE CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE FOUR OF THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE
02:16:30POWER OVER FEDERAL PROPERTY TO
02:16:32CONGRESS AND STATUTORY LAW MAKES
02:16:36CLEAR CONGRESS DECIDES THAT.
02:16:37IF YOU ARE RENTING AN APARTMENT
02:16:41OR VISITING A FRIEND FOR THE WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY ARE AWAY AND USING THEIR HOUSE, JUST
02:16:45BECAUSE YOU ARE THERE DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE AUTHORITY TO TEAR DOWN PART OF THE HOUSE.
02:16:51PRESIDENTS ARE BORROWING THAT SPACE. THEY DON'T OWN IT.
02:16:55AND THE CONSTITUTION GIVES THE
02:16:59AUTHORITY AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THE SPACE TO THE MORE ENDURING,
02:17:04MORE REPRESENTATIVE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS BUT NOT ONLY HAS
02:17:07THE PRESIDENT IGNORE THE
02:17:10CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL LAW AND
02:17:13JUDICIAL DECISIONS, BUT IN ONE
02:17:16OF THESE EMERGENCY MOTIONS RECENTLY MAJORITY THE SUPREME
02:17:19COURT IS GREEN LIGHTING LETTING HIM DO IT AND THIS IS REALLY DISTURBING.
02:17:23HOST: YOU ARE TALKING GUEST:
02:17:33ABOUT THE BALLROOM SPECIFICALLY. THE BALLROOM SPECIFICALLY. THERE WAS A CASE INVOLVING THE BALLROOM AND THE TEARING DOWN OF THE BALLROOM AND THE COURT
02:17:36BASICALLY IN AN EMERGENCY RULING SIDED WITH THE PRESIDENT, NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT IT IS
02:17:39THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS AUTHORITY SO WHAT IS HIS
02:17:42INCENTIVE -- ANY PRESIDENT'S
02:17:45INCENTIVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW? THERE REALLY IS NOT AND WE WILL HAVE TO SEE AFTER THIS
02:17:50PRESIDENCY IF THAT ATTITUDE
02:17:53CONTINUES WITH FUTURE PRESIDENTS. THAT IS A DAY AND RECEIVE AFFAIRS.
02:17:56HOST: JOHN FROM NEW YORK,
02:18:00INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
02:18:01CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:18:06I AM A VIETNAM VET.
02:18:10I AM 80 YEARS OLD. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE VOTING.
02:18:16WHY ISN'T ELECTION TO FEDERAL HOLIDAY?
02:18:24SINCE MY LIFETIME, I HAVE SEEN ALL THESE OTHER HOLIDAYS BECOME
02:18:29MORE, IT MORE SO IN THE STATE,
02:18:33BUT THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE MAIL-IN VOTING AND SO ON.
02:18:38WHY IS IT NOT A FEDERAL HOLIDAY?
02:18:40GUEST: I ACTUALLY WROTE A BOOK CALLED WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
02:18:44ABOUT VOTING AND WHY AND IN THAT
02:18:48BOOK I TALK ABOUT OTHER COUNTRIES THAT TO YOUR POINT DO
02:18:52ALLOW A FEDERAL HOLIDAY AND IT
02:18:56IS ALMOST LIKE THE FOURTH OF JULY IN AMERICA.
02:18:59IT IS A DAY OF CELEBRATION AND
02:19:02THERE ARE SOME PLACES WITH
02:19:05DISINCENTIVES TO NOT VOTE AMOUNT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY.
02:19:08I DO NOT THINK THAT WOULD BE CONSTITUTIONAL IN UNITED STATES
02:19:10WITH THE IDEA IS IN THOSE
02:19:13COUNTRIES YOU COULD 80% OR HIGHER OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATING
02:19:17AND IN OUR COUNTRY, EVEN IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION YEAR IT IS
02:19:21AROUND 60% SO THE QUESTION IS
02:19:23WHERE IS THE POWER ACTUALLY
02:19:26LODGED IN AMERICA? IS IT IN THE REGULAR PEOPLE?
02:19:31IS IT IN BILLIONAIRES? IS IT IN THE SUPREME COURT?
02:19:36NONE OF THOSE ARE DEMOCRATICALLY
02:19:36ELECTED BODIES, THE LAST FEW, SO
02:19:40WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT?
02:19:42BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE IN POWER
02:19:47DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE POWER. THE PEOPLE IN POWER WANT TO
02:19:50ENTRENCH THEIR POWER SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUSH THOSE THINGS
02:19:54FORWARD AND I THINK THAT IS THE KIND OF THING WE ALL AS AMERICANS CAN GET BEHIND
02:19:58REGARDLESS OF PARTY, THAT WE
02:20:00TRUST EACH OTHER TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS MORE THAN WE TRUST
02:20:04POLITICIANS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN STAYING IN THE SEAT OF POWER.
02:20:09HOST: BRUCE FROM MOUNT PLEASANT,
02:20:14SOUTH CAROLINA, A DEMOCRAT. CALLER: WHY IS IT THAT DONALD
02:20:19TRUMP HAS BEEN HELL-BENT ON
02:20:22ELECTION VOTING BY MAIL AND
02:20:26STOPPING IT AND THE ASSUMPTION FOR SOME REASON, AND I NEVER
02:20:29UNDERSTOOD THIS, IS THAT THE
02:20:32MAIL-IN VOTING FRAUD IS ONLY
02:20:37PURSUED BY DEMOCRATIC VOTERS.
02:20:40IF THIS IS THE CASE, IF MAIL-IN
02:20:43VOTING CAN BE FRAUDULENTLY DONE, WHY IS IT THE ASSUMPTION THAT
02:20:47ONLY DEMOCRATS COULD BE DOING IT?
02:20:49REPUBLICANS ARE DOING IT, TO, THEN.
02:20:53MY ASSUMPTION IS OF DONALD TRUMP SERIOUS ABOUT THIS DOES HE
02:20:57REALIZE HE IS GOING TO LOSE REPUBLICAN VOTERS AS WELL AS DEMOCRATIC VOTERS?
02:21:01I THINK WE WOULD EVENLY BE
02:21:05SCREWED ON BOTH ENDS IF DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN SIDE
02:21:08SO THAT IS MY QUICK QUESTION TO YOU. THANK YOU.
02:21:10GUEST: THE FLIP SIDE IS TRUE AS
02:21:13WELL AND I THINK THIS IS IMPLIED IN YOUR QUESTION.
02:21:16NOT ONLY WILL THERE BE DEMOCRATS
02:21:19AND REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN LEANING FRAUDULENT VOTES, WHICH THERE IS
02:21:23NO EVIDENCE OF THAT, BUT BY
02:21:26MAKING IT HARDER TO VOTE BY MAIL YOU ARE DISENFRANCHISING AND
02:21:29CUTTING OFF PEOPLE THAT ARE
02:21:33REPUBLICANS AND BEFORE COVID THERE REALLY WAS NOT MUCH
02:21:36DISCUSSION ABOUT MAIL-IN VOTING. PEOPLE ACROSS POLITICAL
02:21:40SPECTRUMS LIKED IT. THERE WAS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THIS.
02:21:45THEN -- I CANNOT GET IN DONALD
02:21:47TRUMP'S MINE BUT I CAN SAY IF
02:21:53AMERICANS ARE SKEPTICAL OF EACH
02:21:55OTHER, SKEPTICAL OF INSTITUTIONS
02:21:58, THEY DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE,
02:22:02THAT MAKES REGULAR PEOPLE LOSE
02:22:06AUTHORITY AND AGENCY IN THE
02:22:08GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN UNISON MAKING DECISIONS
02:22:12BECAUSE THEY DON'T TRUST EACH
02:22:13OTHER SO IT DOES COME UP TO MY
02:22:17PRIOR POINT, ENHANCES THE POWER
02:22:21AT LEAST PSYCHOLOGICALLY, OF THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN POWER.
02:22:24WE SHOULD BE VERY SKEPTICAL IF ANYBODY IN THE WHITE HOUSE,
02:22:29ANYBODY THAT CONTROLS FEDERAL TAXPAYER DOLLARS IN THE MILITARY
02:22:32AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE
02:22:36PEOPLE'S LIBERTY AND LIFE AWAY.
02:22:38THERE SHOULD BE MORE SCRUTINY OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE REINS OF
02:22:41POWER THAN OUR FRIENDS AND
02:22:47NEIGHBORS WHO ARE LEGITIMATE VOTERS. I JUST THINK THIS IS AN
02:22:50IMPORTANT QUESTION AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PUT THEIR
02:22:53LOGICAL MIND HAT ON AND ASK
02:22:58YOURSELF, WHAT MAKES SENSE HERE? DO WE REALLY THINK THIS IS
02:23:02SOMETHING THAT IS HARMING MY
02:23:06LIFE RIGHT NOW?
02:23:06OR IS IT A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT
02:23:10THE POLITICIANS DON'T REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT, THE STUFF
02:23:13THAT REALLY MATTERS?
02:23:18HOST: DENISE FROM FLORIDA, A REPUBLICAN.
02:23:22GOOD MORNING. CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:23:27MY COMMENT IS I LISTEN EVERY
02:23:29MORNING HERE IN THE PAST FEW MORNINGS, I HAVE HEARD MANY
02:23:32CALLERS SAY SPECIFICALLY THE
02:23:37PHRASE THAT MIKE JOHNSON IS NOT
02:23:39GOING TO SWEAR IN NEW CONGRESSPEOPLE. ENTER CONGRESS.
02:23:43I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY.
02:23:46I'M A BLIND WOMAN. IF I DO NOT REMEMBER THINGS, I
02:23:49WALK INTO WALLS. I WOULD SWEAR THE NANCY PELOSI,
02:23:53WHEN SHE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, DID NOT SWEAR IN IN A
02:23:56TIMELY FASHION THE CONGRESSWOMAN
02:23:58FROM TEXAS. TELL ME I AM WRONG AND PROVE IT.
02:24:02SHOW THE FOOTAGE.
02:24:06I BELIEVE SHE ALSO ELBOWED THE WOMAN'S DAUGHTER OUT OF THE PHOTO.
02:24:10GUEST: I DO NOT HAVE A MEMORY OF
02:24:13THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I THINK EVERYONE NOW IS
02:24:15CONCERNED ABOUT THIS UPCOMING ELECTION FOR GOOD REASON.
02:24:21WE HAVE SEEN AND MANY EXPERTS HAVE SAID THIS, WE HAVE SEEN THE
02:24:23DEGRADATION AND DESTRUCTION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY
02:24:27OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND THAT
02:24:28IS BAD FOR EVERYONE, INCLUDING,
02:24:33IF ANYONE OUT THERE HAS KIDS OR GRANDCHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF THE VOTING AGE, THEY CAN ABOUT
02:24:38SO OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE
02:24:43SYSTEM FOR THEM. THEY CANNOT DO IT. WE ARE STANDEN'S FOR OUR
02:24:48CHILDREN -- STAND-INS FOR OUR
02:24:52CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN SO THE SYSTEM USED TO HOLD. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN THE THREAT
02:24:56AND CONSTANT USE IN ORDER WE ARE
02:24:59SEEING NOW -- CONSTITUTIONAL
02:25:01ORDER WE ARE SEEING NOW.
02:25:03AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS HANGING ON BY A THREAD. THAT IS THE CONCERN AND
02:25:08SOMETHING THAT IS NOT A PELOSI VERSUS MIKE JOHNSON ISSUE.
02:25:12POLITICIANS COME AND GONE BUT ONCE WE LOSE A FUNCTIONING
02:25:16DEMOCRACY AND POWER GOES TO THE
02:25:17PEOPLE -- THE POWERFUL, POWER
02:25:21FOR THE POWERFUL AND CORPORATIONS, DEMOCRACY FOR CORPORATIONS NOT REGULAR PEOPLE,
02:25:24IT IS HARD TO GET THAT BACK.
02:25:29HOST: PRESIDENT TRUMP ANNOUNCED
02:25:32HE WOULD BAN MULTIPLE COMPANIES,
02:25:34INCLUDING POLITICO, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
02:25:38LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HIS REASONING FOR THAT WAS.
02:25:43[VIDEO CLIP] >> BECAUSE THEY ARE FAKE NEWS.
02:25:46YOU GET SO TIRED OF READING AND SEEING FAKE NEWS.
02:25:48WHEN YOU LOOK AT CNN, IT IS
02:25:53FAKE. THAT IS WHY THEIR RATINGS ARE NO GOOD.
02:25:55WHEN YOU LOOK AT MS NOW, WHICH
02:25:59USED TO BE MSNBC, WHICH SOME
02:26:02PEOPLE CALL MS DNC, DEMOCRATIC
02:26:05NATIONAL COMMITTEE, IT IS FAKE NEWS.
02:26:08AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT POLITICO,
02:26:13THE GOVERNMENT UNDER BIDEN GAVE
02:26:17THEM $8 MILLION TO GIVE THEM AFLOAT AND THE STORIES THEY
02:26:21WROTE ARE FAKE SO THERE'S A LOT OF NEWS AND THERE MAY BE OTHERS
02:26:24TO JOIN THEM AND MAYBE THEY CAN GET BETTER AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM BUT OUR COUNTRY HAS TO HAVE ON HIS NEWS.
02:26:29YOU DO NOT HAVE A COUNTRY UNLESS
02:26:31YOU HAVE BORDERS, GOOD VOTING.
02:26:36BORDERS ARE UNBELIEVABLE. NOBODY IS COMING TO A COUNTRY IN
02:26:39THE LAST 17 MONTHS ILLEGALLY BUT YOU NEED BORDERS AND YOU NEED
02:26:42FAIR AND FREE VOTING.
02:26:45YOU NEED A FREE PRESS.
02:26:48YOU NEED A FAIR PRESS AND HONEST PRESS.
02:26:52EVERYBODY KNOWS IT. YOU ARE INTELLIGENT.
02:26:54YOU KNOW HOW FAKE THEIR REPORTING IS. IT IS ONE-SIDED.
02:26:58IT IS NEVER GOOD. I HAVE DONE MANY -- LOOK AT THE
02:27:04STORY TODAY ABOUT FAVORED NATIONS. WE LOWERED DRUG COSTS.
02:27:10IF THEY PUT IT ON AND WILL BE LIKE -- THEY WILL FIND A REASON
02:27:12WHY THAT IS A NEGATIVE.
02:27:15HOST: I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU
02:27:18MAKE OF THIS AND WHETHER A PLACE
02:27:20LIKE CNN, MS NOW, OR POLITICO
02:27:23SUED TO GET ACCESS BACK WHEN
02:27:25BADGES WERE TAKEN FROM THEM
02:27:28YESTERDAY AT THE WHITE HOUSE,
02:27:30WITH THIS BAND STAND >> UP IN
02:27:36COURT? NO. IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT WHICH PROTECTS THE
02:27:40PRESS AND FREE SPEECH AND TO
02:27:42UNDERSCORE IT IT PROTECTS FREE
02:27:44SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS
02:27:48AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT DOES NOT
02:27:50APPLY TO REGULAR PEOPLE.
02:27:55REMEMBER: CAP HER OR ED SHARON
02:27:59-- REMEMBER COLIN OR ED SHEERAN
02:28:05HERE IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS CONCERNED WITH THE GOVERNMENT PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO CAN
02:28:09SPEAK, WHO GETS RETALIATED
02:28:11AGAINST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.
02:28:15AND JUST AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SUPREME COURT, THIS
02:28:19PRESIDENT DOES NOT LIKE ANY CRITICISM OF HIM OR SPEECH THAT
02:28:21IS NOT -- OR SUPREME COURT RULINGS THAT DO NOT ALIGN WITH
02:28:25WHAT HE WANTS AND WE HAVE SEEN
02:28:30DEFAMATION LAWSUITS AGAINST VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS AND SEEN
02:28:32REPORTERS ARRESTED AND FBI RAIDS
02:28:37OF PORTERS OUTSIDE WASHINGTON.
02:28:42THAT IS THE THREAT. THE THREAT IS THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION PICKING AND
02:28:46CHOOSING WHO GETS TO SPEAK
02:28:49BECAUSE THE REASON WE HAVE THESE
02:28:51FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOMS, ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE WE WANT
02:28:55TO KNOW WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS UP TO BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT HAS
02:28:58A LOT POWER AND THEY CAN KEEP STUFF SECRET AND THEN WE DON'T
02:29:02KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
02:29:03WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE
02:29:07SHENANIGANS, IF OUR KIDS ARE SAFE.
02:29:08ALLOWING THE PRESS TO SPEAK AND
02:29:12HAVE ACCESS GIVES THE AMERICAN
02:29:15PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHO
02:29:17TO BELIEVE OR NOT, NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
02:29:20SO IT IS A VIOLATION OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT BUT TO THE OTHER
02:29:23POINT WHO IS GOING TO ISSUE THE TICKET FOR SPEEDING? THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE I
02:29:28THINK IS CONGRESS GOING TO STEP IN OR THE COURTS OR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
02:29:33AND SAY THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU
02:29:34ARE GOING TO GET A TICKET, MR.
02:29:39TRUMP, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE RULES AND LIMITS ON EXERCISE OF
02:29:43POWER BECAUSE IF WE GIVE UP ALL THE LIMITS WE DON'T HAVE A DEMOCRACY ANYMORE.
02:29:47WE HAVE A SYSTEM WHERE WHOEVER IS IN POWER GETS TO PICK WINNERS
02:29:50AND LOSERS BASED ON WHETHER THEY LIKE THEM AND THAT IS WHAT WE
02:29:53SAW WITH THESE -- WITH WHAT
02:29:57HAPPENED WITH CNN AND POLITICO AND MS NOW.
02:29:59HOST: LANCE FROM COLORADO, REPUBLICAN.
02:30:03CALLER: I CANNOT BELIEVE I'M
02:30:07STANDING HERE WAITING TO TALK TO
02:30:09THIS WOMAN HERE.
02:30:13I'M GOING TO RESIST NAME-CALLING. THE THING IS YOU ARE WRONG.
02:30:16YOU ARE AS WRONG AS THE CLOCK BEHIND YOU ON THAT WALL.
02:30:20THERE WERE 6600 VOTES,
02:30:24FRAUDULENT VOTES THEY FOUND IN
02:30:26VIRGINIA AND YOU SAY THERE IS ONLY A HANDFUL HERE WERE THERE.
02:30:30I DON'T CALL 6600 VOTES A
02:30:36HANDFUL. AND THE THING IS I LIVE IN A
02:30:40STATE THAT HAS A GAY GOVERNOR WITH A GAY BOYFRIEND AND YOU
02:30:45GUYS -- YOU DEMOCRATS, YOU LOONY DEMOCRATS --
02:30:48HOST: LET'S HAVE KIM RESPOND.
02:30:53GUEST: I AM ON FROM EUROPE SO IT
02:30:57IS A DIFFERENT TIME ZONE.
02:31:00WE MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT STATISTICS. I HAVE CHECKED MINE AND I THINK
02:31:03IT IS IMPORTANT TO FACT-CHECK AND GO TO SOURCES THAT ARE
02:31:07AUTHORITATIVE AND USE LEGITIMATE MEANS OF IDENTIFYING THESE
02:31:11THINGS. THESE ARE NOT MY NUMBERS.
02:31:16WE HAD THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LOOKING FOR THIS FRAUD AND THE
02:31:18SOURCES I HAVE SEEN AND MANY
02:31:22OTHERS WITH EXPERTISE DEEPER THAN MINE -- THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
02:31:26THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT, THAT WE HAVE
02:31:30FUNCTIONING ELECTIONS IN THIS MOMENT.
02:31:32HOST: KIM WEHLE, THANK YOU SO
02:31:38MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING.
02:31:43NEXT, START SENDING IN YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS AND
02:31:46QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:31:49DEMOCRATS, (202) 748-8000.
02:31:53REPUBLICANS, YOUR LINE, (202) 748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
02:32:00START CALLING IN NOW. WE WILL TALK AFTER THE BREAK.
02:32:04♪
02:32:11>> IMAGINE YOU HAVE JUST BEEN ELECTED TO THE HOUSE OF
02:32:15REPRESENTATIVES. NOW IT IS YOUR TURN TO STEP UP TO THE PODIUM AND BEGAN YOUR
02:32:19FIRST SPEECH.
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02:33:45HOST: WELCOME BACK.
02:33:49IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:33:54START CALLING IN. DEMOCRATS, YOUR LINE, (202) 748-8000.
02:33:59REPUBLICANS, (202) 748-8001. INDEPENDENTS, (202) 748-8002.
02:34:07START CALLING IN. FOR THE LAST 30 MINUTES OF WASHINGTON JOURNAL THIS MORNING.
02:34:12THIS AFTERNOON, NEBRASKA
02:34:16REPUBLICAN SENATOR PETE RICKETTS ATTENDS HIS STATE'S ANNUAL STEAK
02:34:18FRY TO FUND RAISE FOR HIS ANNUAL
02:34:24REELECTION CAMPAIGN. THE EVENT FEATURES REPUBLICAN SENATOR JOHN KENNEDY FROM
02:34:28LOUISIANA. WATCH LIVE AT 1:00 P.M. EASTERN
02:34:30ON C-SPAN, ONLINE AT C-SPAN.ORG,
02:34:33AND ON OUR FREE C-SPAN NOW VIDEO APP.
02:34:37THAT WILL COME TO YOU AT 1:00 P.M.
02:34:41SOME BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THE PLANNED
02:34:45ARCH IN VIRGINIA WILL BE A
02:34:46MILITARY COMPLEX FOR DRONES AND
02:34:52SNIPERS. I'M LOOKING AT A NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE.
02:34:55IT SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THE
02:34:58PROPOSED 50 FOOT ARCH WILL NOW
02:35:00BE A TOP GRADE MILITARY COMPLEX THAT WILL HOUSE DRONES, SNIPERS,
02:35:04AND AMMUNITION HERE PRESIDENT
02:35:06TRUMP WROTE THAT HE HAD AGREED
02:35:09TO CONVERT THE ARCH AT THE REQUEST OF THE U.S. MILITARY AND
02:35:13FOR NATIONAL SECURITY PURPOSES.
02:35:17THE MILITARY COMPLEX WILL BE --
02:35:21WILL HOUSE, STORE OR COME AND HAVE THE RAPID ABILITY TO USE LARGE NUMBERS OF DRONES AND
02:35:25SNIPERS ON THE ROOF AND PLAZA
02:35:26AREAS AND HAVE AND HOLD LARGE
02:35:29QUANTITIES OF SNIPER AMMUNITION
02:35:32IN STORAGE, TRUMP WROTE.
02:35:34THERE WILL BE NO FACILITY LIKE
02:35:36THIS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
02:35:38HIS NEW CLAIMS ABOUT THE ARCH,
02:35:44WHICH COMES AS VETERAN GROUPS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS AN OTHERS ATTEMPT TO STOP THE
02:35:48PROJECT CANNOT RESEMBLE HIS ARGUMENTS FOR THE NEED TO BUILD
02:35:50A BALLROOM AT THE WHITE HOUSE
02:35:56HEARING TRUMP SAID IT WAS A
02:35:57NEEDED NATIONAL SECURITY
02:36:02STRUCTURE. THERE IS BREAKING NEWS THIS MORNING.
02:36:05CHRISTIE FROM FLORIDA I'M A A DEMOCRAT.
02:36:11-- FROM FLORIDA, A DEMOCRAT.
02:36:11CALLER: I HAVE TWO COMMENTS.
02:36:16I WATCHED ON NETFLIX YESTERDAY
02:36:18ON THE DOCUMENTARY WITH STEVE
02:36:22BANNON ABOUT TRUMP BACK IN 2017.
02:36:27I WOULD URGE EVERYBODY TO WATCH THAT.
02:36:31IT IS UNBELIEVABLE, WHAT IS HAPPENING.
02:36:35IT IS UNBELIEVABLE.
02:36:36AND ANOTHER QUESTION, GOD BLESS
02:36:40EVERYBODY BECAUSE WE ARE IN BAD
02:36:40TIMES AND I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS
02:36:45I CANNOT EVEN TALK TO BECAUSE OF THIS PRESIDENT THAT WE HAVE, IF
02:36:48YOU WANT TO CALL HIM THAT SO IT IS HARD FOR EVERYONE AND I HOPE
02:36:52WE ALL COME TOGETHER AND GO FOR
02:36:56THE NO KINGS ON OCTOBER 17 AND
02:37:00GOD BLESS AMERICA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:37:01HOST: CHARLIE FROM BALTIMORE,
02:37:05MARYLAND, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING, CHARLIE.
02:37:09>> THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY CALL.
02:37:13I'M HONORED TO BE ON C-SPAN. I LOVE WHAT YOU DO. IT IS AMAZING THERE SUCH
02:37:18ORGANIZATION THAT EVERYBODY CAN STILL GET ALONG WITH.
02:37:21I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
02:37:23SENATE AND HOUSE GOING TO THE
02:37:27DEMOCRATS AND THE PRESIDENT UNDER THE REPUBLICANS SO WE CAN HAVE CHECKS AND BALANCES AGAIN
02:37:31AND NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE ON ONE SIDE. I DON'T LIKE IT WHEN IT WAS
02:37:34UNDER OBAMA OR BIDEN, CERTAINLY DON'T LIKE IT NOW.
02:37:39NOTHING MIGHT HAPPEN BUT AT
02:37:40LEAST IT WILL BE SOMETHING AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE LIKE UNDER
02:37:44BILL CLINTON WHERE THEY REACHED ACROSS THE AISLE AND WORKED TOGETHER.
02:37:47I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HAPPEN AND I DON'T LIKE ALL THE
02:37:52NAME-CALLING FOR THE PRESIDENT. EVEN THOUGH I MIGHT NOT LIKE
02:37:55HIM, I DO NOT THINK THAT IS RESPECTFUL TO THE OFFICE AND AS
02:37:57AN AMERICAN I DON'T LIKE WHEN EVERYBODY DOES THAT.
02:38:00HOST: THAT IS CHARLIE FROM
02:38:05BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, AND INDEPENDENT.
02:38:07CHARLES FROM ARKANSAS, A REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:38:12CALLER: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BREAST CANCER.
02:38:18IN THE 1980'S THERE WAS A LADY
02:38:22NAMED SUSAN KOMAN WHO HAD A
02:38:25HORRIBLE COURSE OF DISEASE AND DIED FROM IT.
02:38:27HER YOUNGER SISTER, WHO LATER
02:38:33MARRIED MR. BRINKER, NANCY
02:38:37GOODMAN BRINKER, STARTED THE
02:38:40RACE FOR THE CURE AND, YOU KNOW,
02:38:48SUBSEQUENTLY HAS SAVED MILLIONS
02:38:49OF LIVES AND HAD ALL KINDS OF
02:38:52PEOPLE TREATED WHO WILL NOT HAVE BEEN TREATED OR DIAGNOSED.
02:38:57SO I WANT TO COMPARE THAT WITH
02:39:02SENATE CAMERON -- CANDIDATE
02:39:03ABDUL EL-SAYED'S POSITION HERE
02:39:08AND HE GOT HIS PHD IN THIS AND
02:39:09SAID THE PINK RIBBON CROWN HAS
02:39:13ABSORBED A LOT OF RESOURCES THAT
02:39:15COULD BE USED TO FIGHT OTHER
02:39:18ILLNESSES AND OF COURSE HE IS A SOCIALIST.
02:39:23HE IS ALSO A MUSLIM AND SO
02:39:28WHETHER BREAST CANCER IS AN IMPORTANT DISEASE I DON'T KNOW
02:39:31BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR
02:39:32AMERICANS TO REALIZE THAT PEOPLE
02:39:36WITH HIS BACKGROUND THINK ABOUT
02:39:37THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN PEOPLE
02:39:40WHOSE IDEOLOGY AND SOCIOLOGY THINK THAT THE EXPERTS ALWAYS KNOW BEST.
02:39:45BUT NANCY GOODMAN BRINKER WAS
02:39:48SIMPLY AN INTELLIGENT FEMALE WHO
02:39:51WAS ABLE -- WHO MARRIED WELL AND
02:39:56THEREFORE WAS WEALTHY AND WAS
02:39:56ABLE TO START THE SUSAN KOMAN
02:40:02FOUNDATION, WHICH LEADS THE RACE
02:40:03FOR THE CURE AND THE NFL PLAYERS
02:40:07WEARING A PINK RIBBON SOMETIMES AND IT IS JUST AMAZING THAT
02:40:11EL-SAYED'S POSITION DOES NOT
02:40:15RECOGNIZE THE COMPETITION OF
02:40:21IDEAS IN A FREE COUNTRY.
02:40:23HOST: THAT IS CHARLES FROM
02:40:27ARKANSAS, REPUBLICAN. RITA FROM PENNSYLVANIA, A DEMOCRAT I'M A GOOD MORNING.
02:40:32>> THE CALLER: GUY THAT SAID ABOUT CALLER: PEOPLE CALLING
02:40:35FROM NAMES -- DONALD TRUMP NAMES
02:40:39TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY SO THAT IS NO BIG DEAL FOR HIM.
02:40:42I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HE IS THINKING TO PUT HIS NAME ON
02:40:46EVERYTHING.
02:40:50MOUNT RUSHMORE IS GOTTEN DAMAGE AND HE STEPS IN AND THINKS HE HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE A SPACE UP
02:40:55THERE AND IF THEY SAY NO DOES THAT MEAN HE HAS A CHANCE TO
02:40:59TEAR THE WHOLE MOUNTAIN DOWN? THIS IS A MAN THAT NEEDS TO GROW
02:41:03UP AND I WANT TO THANK MARIA SALAZAR FOR HAVE THE GUTS TO DO
02:41:06MOST OF THOSE MEN IN CONGRESS
02:41:10DON'T HAVE COME OUT TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP.
02:41:13THE MAN IS A LIAR, CHEAT, AND THIEF.
02:41:15HE GETS AWAY WITH EVERYTHING. THE ONLY TIME THESE MEN IN
02:41:20CONGRESS STAND UP AND SAY ANYTHING AS WHEN THEY GET READY TO RETIRE OR HAVE A NEW JOB.
02:41:24OF COURSE MIKE JOHNSON IS THE BIGGEST CLOWN OF ALL.
02:41:28HOST: THAT WAS RITA FROM
02:41:33PENNSYLVANIA, LARRY FROM TENNESSEE, INDEPENDENT.
02:41:36CALLER: THANK YOU FOR ACCEPTING
02:41:40MY CALL. I CALLED TO MAKE A STATEMENT.
02:41:43THE YOUNG LADY WAS SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT PELOSI NOT
02:41:46SWEARING IN A CONGRESSPERSON.
02:41:52I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT WAS
02:41:55AGREED UPON TIME DELAY ON THE
02:41:56SWEARING IN BETWEEN PELOSI AND
02:41:59THAT CONGRESSPERSON AS TO WHEN THEY WOULD BE SWORN IN AND IT
02:42:03WAS NOT INTENDANTS -- INTENDED TO BE NASTY.
02:42:07THAT IS MY COMMENT.
02:42:08HOST: LARRY FROM KNOXVILLE,
02:42:14TENNESSEE, INDEPENDENT. JAMIE FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS.
02:42:17CALLER: THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY
02:42:21PHONE CALL. I HAVE BEEN VOTING REPUBLICAN
02:42:25SINCE 2020 AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THE PARTY HAS COMPLETELY
02:42:29LOST ME. AT THIS POINT I WILL BE
02:42:32SWITCHING OVER TO INDEPENDENT. IT SEEMS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
02:42:36WAS ALL ABOUT LOW GOVERNMENT AND LOW TAXES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE NOW THE PARTY IS BLOATED AND IT
02:42:39SEEMS LIKE THE PARTY WOULD LIKE
02:42:43TO -- EXCUSE ME.
02:42:46IT SEEMS LIKE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS NOW ABOUT BIG
02:42:49GOVERNMENT AND I DON'T LIKE IT.
02:42:53THEY HAVE LOST ME SO I WILL BE
02:42:55VOTING INDEPENDENT METHODS NEXT ELECTION.
02:42:58I'LL BE VOTING FOR JAMES
02:43:00TALARICO FOR TEXAS SENATOR.
02:43:03HE IS A GREAT CANDIDATE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
02:43:07I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME ON. HOST: DO YOU KNOW HOW YOU PLAN
02:43:11TO IT FOR GOVERNOR? IN TEXAS, THAT IS A CONTESTED RACE.
02:43:18I THINK HE HUNG UP.
02:43:19BILLY FROM MISSOURI, DEMOCRAT.
02:43:24GOOD MORNING. CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
02:43:30I WAS CALLING -- I WAS CURIOUS
02:43:34-- I DON'T SEE A LOT OF
02:43:37REPORTERS ASKING THE QUESTIONS TO THE PRESIDENT -- WHERE ALL
02:43:41THAT MONEY IS GOING THAT HE IS
02:43:44MAKING FROM THE OIL IN VENEZUELA
02:43:47. HE ALWAYS SIDESTEPS IT A LITTLE
02:43:49BIT AND THEN BY THE TIME HE
02:43:52ANSWERS THE QUESTION, WHICH IS
02:43:55KIND OF A NONANSWER, IT DOES NOT
02:43:58GIVE ANOTHER REPORTER TIME TO
02:44:03FOLLOW UP WITH THE SAME QUESTION
02:44:04TO PRESS HIM ON IT SO WE ARE
02:44:08KIND OF GETTING THE INFORMATION
02:44:12ALL FROM DIFFERENT SIDES AND IT
02:44:15IS ALL SPECULATION BUT IT IS IN
02:44:18A SECRET ACCOUNT IN QATAR.
02:44:21I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THERE IS NO OVERSIGHT ON ALL OF THIS.
02:44:26HOST: I BELIEVE DEMOCRATS HAVE
02:44:30BEEN ASKING QUESTIONS BEFORE LEAVING CONGRESS, SENATORS
02:44:34SPECIFICALLY COME ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY IS BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
02:44:36REPORTERS HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT
02:44:38QUESTION AND VARIOUS OFFICIALS HAVE GIVEN VARIOUS ANSWERS.
02:44:42ERIC FROM SEASIDE PARK, NEW
02:44:46JERSEY, GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:44:52CALLER: I CANNOT BELIEVE I FINALLY GOT ON. THIS IS GREAT.
02:44:57SOON TO BE AN WX REPUBLICAN.
02:45:02I WAS A REPUBLICAN MY WHOLE LIFE. I CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT TRUMP IS DOING.
02:45:05HE IS GOING RIGHT OUT OF FASCISM
02:45:09, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
02:45:10MY MOM GREW UP IN GERMANY DURING
02:45:13THE PILLAR ERA AND TRUMP IS
02:45:18GOING RIGHT BY THE BOOK AND I
02:45:21HAVE TO GO ON THE OTHER SITE IN NOVEMBER.
02:45:25MOST OF THE OTHER PEOPLE DO, NOT THAT I AGREE WITH HER POLICIES BUT WE HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO
02:45:28THIS GUY SO THAT IS MY THOUGHTS
02:45:31AND THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON. HOST: THAT IS ERIC FROM NEW
02:45:37JERSEY ON THE REPUBLICAN LINE.
02:45:39BILL FROM COLORADO SPRINGS,
02:45:43COLORADO, CALLING ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE. GOOD MORNING.
02:45:46CALLER: IT IS ASTOUNDING
02:45:48LISTENING TO YOUR CALLERS IN
02:45:52YOUR LAST GUEST WITH PELOSI NOT SWEARING IN SOMEBODY IN A TIMELY MANNER.
02:45:57SHE DID IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. MIKE JOHNSON HELD UP SWEARING IN
02:46:01AN INDIVIDUAL FROM ARIZONA AND THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL CALLING
02:46:05FROM COLORADO ABOUT THE SIX
02:46:11THOUSAND PLUS FRAUDULENT VOTES
02:46:13-- THAT IS NOT TRUE.
02:46:16IT IS JUST ASTOUNDING HOW THESE
02:46:19PEOPLE ARE SO MISINFORMED AND
02:46:20DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO RESEARCH AND FIND OUT WHAT THE FACTS ARE.
02:46:26IT SEEMS THE GUY FROM STERLING
02:46:28WAS BENT OUT OF SHAPE ABOUT OUR
02:46:32GAY GOVERNOR AND HIS HUSBAND. THAT SEEMED TO BE THE BIG TOPIC IN HIS LIFE.
02:46:36IT IS JUST SAD THAT THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. THANK YOU.
02:46:40HOST: THAT IS FILLED FROM
02:46:43COLORADO ON THE INDEPENDENT LINE.
02:46:45CLIFF FROM WASHINGTON CALLING IN ON THE DEMOCRATIC LINE.
02:46:49GOOD MORNING. CALLER: HELLO.
02:46:53MY PROBLEM IS IF YOU WANT TO
02:46:55TALK ABOUT FAKE NEWS JUST LISTEN
02:46:59TO THE PRESIDENT EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH.
02:47:01IT IS FAKE NEWS.
02:47:04AND ANOTHER ISSUE ABOUT THE FATE
02:47:09VOTES AND ALL THAT STUFF, JUST
02:47:12CHECK OUT WHAT THE LADY SAID.
02:47:15SHE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT EVERYONE. IT IS A NON-ISSUE.
02:47:18IT SHOULD NOT BE TALKED ABOUT ANYMORE.
02:47:21IF WE GET A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS
02:47:28IN POWER, MAYBE WE WILL HAVE A
02:47:30FEW REGULAR VOTES FROM REGULAR
02:47:35PEOPLE AND A FEW LEGITIMATE
02:47:39VOTES FROM CONGRESS PEOPLE THEMSELVES. THEY ARE ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS.
02:47:43THEY ARE SUPPOSED BE WORKING FOR US.
02:47:47LET'S HAVE YOU VOTE LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO YOUR CONSCIENCE
02:47:51AND NOT BE COERCED BY THE
02:47:56PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
02:47:58HOST: THAT IS CLIFF FROM
02:48:02WASHINGTON. RICK FROM INDIANA, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
02:48:05CALLER: HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY?
02:48:07HOST: I'M DOING WELL. HOW ARE YOU?
02:48:11CALLER: I LIKE YOUR DRESS. THAT IS A NICE BLUE.
02:48:14HOST: IT IS OPEN FORUM. WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND THIS MORNING?
02:48:18CALLER: NOT MUCH OF A MIND BUT I
02:48:22DO HAVE A LOT OF COMMON SENSE.
02:48:24I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- A LOT OF
02:48:28PEOPLE FROM A LOT OF PRESIDENTS -- I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE ALIVE
02:48:32ONCE THEIR NAME ON EVERY THING HE COULD SEE.
02:48:35AND THEN THEY DON'T GET IT HE
02:48:37CRIES LIKE A LITTLE BABY.
02:48:39BUT I WAS THINKING -- DON'T GET
02:48:42MAD AT ME, DON'T HANG UP. I BELIEVE THAT TRUMP IS THE
02:48:47ANTICHRIST BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT IS?
02:48:50HE LIKES POWER, POWER, POWER.
02:48:55MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. AND HE IS SO CONCEITED.
02:48:58IF YOU WANT TO'S ON THE -- ON
02:49:03SOMETHING, AND I AGREE WITH IT AND I HOPE EVERYBODY ELSE DOES,
02:49:07TOO, I BELIEVE THAT HE WILL PUT
02:49:10HIS NAME ON A SEWAGE PLANT.
02:49:11HOST: THAT IS RICK FROM INDIANA,
02:49:16AND INDEPENDENT. MARY FROM WEST VIRGINIA, GOOD MORNING.
02:49:20CALLER: I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS TO ASK YOU.
02:49:24MY FIRST QUESTION IS EARLIER
02:49:28WHEN THAT LADY WAS ON TALKING
02:49:29AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT NANCY
02:49:32PELOSI AND SHE DID NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, WHY DID YOU NOT GO
02:49:36BACK AND CHECK? YOU ALWAYS DO WHEN A DEMOCRAT COMES ON AND ASKS QUESTIONS.
02:49:40HOST: WHEN THE QUESTION -- WITH
02:49:45THE LAST GUEST WE HAD ON WAS ASKED ABOUT NANCY PELOSI?
02:49:49AND SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T REMEMBER THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE?
02:49:58WHAT IS YOUR SECOND QUESTION?
02:49:59CALLER: BACK IN JANUARY OR
02:50:04FEBRUARY, I CALLED IN.
02:50:08BECAUSE I THINK MIMI WAS ON AND
02:50:11SOMEBODY ASKED HER HOW COME SHE WASN'T ANSWERING THE PHONE FOR
02:50:16ANY REPUBLICANS. AND SHE SAID NOBODY HAD BEEN CALLING IN.
02:50:21THAT WAS OF A HALF AN HOUR INTO THE PROGRAM.
02:50:24I TRIED TO CALL MYSELF AND WHEN
02:50:25I CALLED THEY WOULD HANG UP ON ME.
02:50:30AND I CALLED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND
02:50:34THEN THE OPERATOR CAME ON AND SAID THEY ARE NOT TAKING ANY
02:50:38CALLS RIGHT NOW. THEN I CALLED AGAIN AND AGAIN
02:50:43AND SHE SAID NOBODY IS ANSWERING THE PHONE.
02:50:47WHEN I CALL NOW I CALLED FOUR TIMES BEFORE YOU FINALLY
02:50:51ANSWERED THE PHONE RANG AND RANG
02:50:53AND HUNG UP ON ME AND IT TOOK ME
02:50:57FOUR TIMES BEFORE SOMEBODY DID ANSWER ME AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU DO THAT.
02:51:02HOST: WE MAKE OUR BEST EFFORT TO
02:51:05GET PEOPLE IN ON THE LINE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS
02:51:08PROGRAM SO WONDERFUL, HEARING
02:51:11FROM AMERICANS LIKE YOU ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM TALKING
02:51:15ABOUT POLITICS, POLICY, ANYTHING IN OPEN FORUM. I DO HOPE YOU CONTINUE TO TRY TO
02:51:19CALL IN EVEN IF IT MAY BE DIFFICULT SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE
02:51:23LOVE TO HEAR FROM OUR CALLERS.
02:51:25BEN FROM MARYLAND, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING.
02:51:29CALLER: I FOLLOW YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
02:51:34I'M CALLING IN BECAUSE I WAS
02:51:37LOOKING AT A STORY WHERE THE
02:51:40DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE HAS
02:51:43UNDERREPORTED THE AMERICAN
02:51:46CASUALTIES IN IRAN AND THEY ALSO
02:51:50FAILED TO REPORT SOME OF THE VICTORIES THE IRANIAN MILITARY
02:51:55HAD QUIT ONE OF WHICH THEY
02:51:58DESTROYED ONE OF OUR PLANES. WITH PRECISION BOMBING, WHICH I
02:52:02THOUGHT THEY HAD NO CAPABILITY.
02:52:06OF DOING THAT SO IT IS STRANGE
02:52:10TO ME THEY WOULD UNDERREPORT
02:52:11SUCH A SMALL CASUALTY NUMBER
02:52:15BECAUSE WE ARE NOT DEALING WITH CONVENTIONAL WAR WHERE THERE ARE
02:52:19HUNDREDS OF CASUALTIES A DAY BUT
02:52:24I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CANNOT ACCURATELY COUNT THE
02:52:28AMOUNT OF CASUALTIES AND SOME OF THE ISSUES GOING ON WITH THIS
02:52:32WAR WITH IRAN.
02:52:33HOST: I'LL HAVE MY PRODUCER TRY
02:52:37TO FIND THAT ARTICLE. I BELIEVE IT CAME OUT FRIDAY
02:52:41FROM THE WASHINGTON POST. IT IS SOMETHING THE
02:52:47ADMINISTRATION HAS COME OUT AND REJECTED, SAYING IT WAS UNTRUE
02:52:50BUT THE POST SITES MULTIPLE
02:52:54SOURCES TO TRY TO BACK UP THEIR
02:52:57WORK SO WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN FIND THAT.
02:53:01TOM FROM FLORIDA, DEMOCRAT. GOOD MORNING.
02:53:04CALLER: THANKS FOR C-SPAN.
02:53:07WE APPRECIATE ALL THE CALLERS.
02:53:11COULD YOU PLEASE REMIND THE
02:53:12REPUBLICAN CALLERS WHO ARE NOT
02:53:15JUST REPUBLICAN -- I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT -- CALLERS WHO CALL
02:53:18IN AND BLAME BIDEN'S POLICY ON
02:53:22IMMIGRATION, THAT WHAT JESUS
02:53:26TOLD US TO WELCOME IMMIGRANTS, NOT BUILD WALLS TO KEEP THEM
02:53:30OUT, SO THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT POLICIES. ONE IS GIVE THEM OUT WALLS.
02:53:35ONE IS DO WHAT JESUS SAID IN THE
02:53:39BIBLE OVER 2000 YEARS AGO.
02:53:40THOSE ARE NOT BIDEN'S POLICIES.
02:53:43THOSE ARE JESUS'S POLICIES.
02:53:47BIDEN IS JUST FOLLOWING THAT POLICY. HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO AGAINST
02:53:49JESUS AND BUILD A WALL SO IT
02:53:53SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THIS IS BIDEN'S POLICY TO WELCOME IMMIGRANTS.
02:53:58COULD YOU PLEASE CORRECT PEOPLE
02:54:01WHO CALL IN AND BLAME BIDEN FOR THAT POLICY?
02:54:04THAT IS JESUS'S POLICY.
02:54:06HOST: THAT IS TOM FROM FLORIDA.
02:54:10BEFORE TOM I'M LOOKING AT NOW THE WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE.
02:54:14THE HEADLINE IS MORE U.S. TROOPS HAVE DIED AMID IRAN WAR THEN
02:54:17PENTAGON HAS DISCLOSED PUBLICLY. OFFICIALS EXPRESSED FRUSTRATION
02:54:21THAT THIS ADDITIONAL LOSS OF LIFE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS NOT
02:54:24REFLECTED IN DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE CASUALTY DATA BASE.
02:54:29THERE IS THE STORY IF YOU WANT TO READ MORE IN THE POST.
02:54:33FROM OREGON, A REPUBLICAN. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:54:37CALLER: I WANTED TO COMMENT
02:54:41REGARDING YOUR OPENING QUESTION
02:54:44FOR CONGRESS, THAT NO ONE, WHEN
02:54:49THEY WERE MEETING CONGRESS, BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THEY
02:54:54DID IN THE HOUSE PASSED ALL 12
02:54:58OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILLS
02:55:00FUNDING VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF
02:55:04THE GOVERNMENT AND WHILE THERE
02:55:05ARE A LOT OF MEASURES THEY
02:55:10PASSED THAT THEN GO TO THE
02:55:13SENATE, IN THE SENATE THEY ARE
02:55:14STALLED BECAUSE WHILE THERE IS A
02:55:18REPUBLICAN MAJORITY IN THE SENATE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ON A LOT
02:55:22OF THESE THINGS, MORE THAN JUST A SIMPLE MAJORITY.
02:55:26YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT 60 ABOUT THRESHOLD, WHICH IS NOT THERE.
02:55:31THE OTHER THING IS IT SEEMS TO
02:55:34BE A LOT OF PEOPLE ENVISION THE
02:55:37FACT THAT WHEN THE CONGRESS
02:55:41PEOPLE ARE NOT IN WASHINGTON
02:55:43THAT THEY ARE HOME ON VACATION.
02:55:46THIS SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE.
02:55:48MOST OF THE CONGRESSPEOPLE, WHEN
02:55:51THEY GO BACK TO THEIR DISTRICTS,
02:55:52ARE IN THEIR DISTRICTS, IN THEIR
02:55:56OFFICES, AVAILABLE TO REACH
02:56:00WHERE THEIR STAFF BY PHONE BUT
02:56:02THEY HEAR IT AND THEY ARE DOING
02:56:05THINGS THAT WE WANT THEM TO DO. THEY ARE LISTENING TO US IN THE
02:56:09DISTRICT.
02:56:12THE OTHER THING REGARDING TRUMP IS I AM A REPUBLICAN.
02:56:15I VOTED FOR HIM ALL THREE TIMES.
02:56:19I DON'T APPRECIATE HOW HE SPEAKS
02:56:21ABOUT PEOPLE OR A LOT OF
02:56:25DIFFERENT THINGS HE DOES BUT HE
02:56:30IS A WIDE OUTSIDE THE BOX THINKER AND DOES ACCOMPLISH
02:56:34PROJECTS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO AND
02:56:38MAYBE A LITTLE MORE RAW THAN A
02:56:43POLISHED MANNER. REGARDING THAT LAST PHONE CALL
02:56:44YOU HAD, I BELIEVE FROM A
02:56:47DEMOCRAT, TALKING ABOUT BUILDING
02:56:50WALLS AND JESUS, I WOULD JUST
02:56:53LIKE TO REMIND HIM THAT IN THE
02:56:54OLD TESTAMENT THERE IS A WHOLE
02:56:57STORY ABOUT WHEN ONE OF THE OLD
02:57:02TESTAMENT PEOPLE PETITIONED THE
02:57:06PERSON THAT HE WAS UNDER TO GO
02:57:10BACK AND HELP REBUILD WALLS AFTER THE JEWS CAME BACK BECAUSE
02:57:14THE WALL NEEDED TO BE REBUILT.
02:57:17HOST: THAT IS LYNN FROM OREGON,
02:57:22A REPUBLICAN. MARK FROM NEW YORK, INDEPENDENT. GOOD MORNING. IT IS OPEN FORUM.
02:57:28CALLER: GOOD MORNING.
02:57:31I WANT TO MAKE A FEW POINTS. ABOUT THE LAST GUEST YOU HAD
02:57:35ABOUT THE ELECTIONS AND THE
02:57:35MAIL-IN VOTING, IT SEEMS LIKE WE
02:57:40CHANGE THINGS DURING COVID AS FAR AS MAIL-IN VOTING AND THEN NEVER CHANGE THEM BACK.
02:57:46THAT IS WHAT I THINK IS A
02:57:50PROBLEM AND IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE
02:57:53ALL -- WE CANNOT HAVE MAIL-IN
02:57:57VOTING. WE SHOULD HAVE ABSENTEE VOTING
02:57:59WHERE PEOPLE ARE PREAPPROVED.
02:58:02THAT IS THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT.
02:58:05BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST OPENING THE DOOR FOR TROUBLE.
02:58:08AND AS FAR AS VOTING GOES, I
02:58:13THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO FULL
02:58:16DAYS AND YOU HAVE TO SHOW ID AND
02:58:20SO IF WE ELIMINATE -- THE OTHER
02:58:22THING ABOUT VOTING IS ELIMINATE THE FOURTH AMENDMENT WHERE
02:58:26EVERYTHING GETS BACK TO THE STATES BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE GOT
02:58:29A NATIONAL ELECTION BUT WE GOT
02:58:3250 DIFFERENT STATES DOING 50 DIFFERENT RULES.
02:58:37IT IS JUST TOO COMPLICATED.
02:58:38HOST: THIS MIDTERM ELECTION, YOU
02:58:44ARE VOTING FOR YOUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE, NOT FOR PRESIDENT.
02:58:47CALLER: FAIR ENOUGH BUT IN THE
02:58:51FEDERAL ELECTION IF THERE IS A NATIONAL ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT
02:58:54YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RULES ACROSS ALL 50 STATES.
02:58:59THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING.
02:59:00HOST: THAT IS MARK FROM NEW YORK, INDEPENDENT.
02:59:06RW, I'LL ASK YOU TO BE BRIEF.
02:59:10EXCUSE ME. I CLICKED ON MIKE FROM OHIO.
02:59:15BE BRIEF FOR ME. YOU HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT.
02:59:17CALLER: I LIKE TO LIST -- TRUMP,
02:59:23WE LOVE HIM.
02:59:26HE IS TRYING TO FIGHT AGAINST COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISTS.
02:59:30HE STARTED TRUMP ACCOUNTS FOR CHILDREN. HE STRENGTHENED THE MILITARY.
02:59:35HE IS TRYING TO STOP A NUCLEAR IRAN.
02:59:39HE IS AGAINST DEFUNDING POLICE AND PRISONS.
02:59:42HE GAVE TAX BREAKS. DOGE, CORRUPTION, ALL THAT.
02:59:47I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE ALL THIS
02:59:49BUT HE DOES NOT EVEN ASK FOR A PAYCHECK.
02:59:52HE IS THE BEST PRESIDENT IN MY LIFETIME AND THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.
02:59:56I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING MY CALL.
02:59:57HOST: THAT IS MIKE FROM OHIO.
03:00:02RW, YOU HAVE ABOUT 15 SECONDS IF
03:00:05YOU WANT THE LAST WORD. CALLER: CAN YOU HEAR ME?
03:00:08HOST: WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND?
03:00:10CALLER: THE COUP IS COMING.
03:00:16SO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, GET READY.
03:00:18HOST: THAT IS RW FROM ARKANSAS, DEMOCRAT.
03:00:23THAT IS ALL THIS MORNING. ANOTHER EDITION COMES YOUR WAY AT 7:00 A.M. EASTERN TOMORROW.
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