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00:00:45WELCOME TO CEASE FIRE, WHERE WE
00:00:47LOOK TO BRIDGE THE DIVIDE IN AMERICAN POLITICS. >> I'M DR. BURNS, POLITICO
00:00:51PLAYBOOK COAUTHOR AND JOINING ME NOW FROM CAPITOL HILL, TWO
00:00:55GUESTS WHO HAVE AGREED TO KEEP THE CONVERSATION CIVIL EVEN WHEN
00:00:58THEY DISAGREE. HAWAII DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED
00:01:01CASE AND COLORADO REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN JEFF HURD.
00:01:04THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR JOINING THE PROGRAM. GREAT TO BE WITH YOU, DASHA.
00:01:09ALL RIGHT. I DO WANT TO START WITH SOMETHING THAT IS VERY ON THEME
00:01:13HERE AT CEASE FIRE, WHICH IS YOU ARE BOTH PART OF THE PROBLEM
00:01:16SOLVERS CAUCUS. I'LL START WITH YOU, CONGRESSMAN HURD.
00:01:20WHY DID YOU FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT TO BECOME A PART OF THIS GROUP?
00:01:24>> WELL, THE PROBLEM SOLVERS IS A GROUP OF REPUBLICANS AND
00:01:26DEMOCRATS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO FINDING EFFECTIVE SOLUTIONS TO
00:01:29THE MOST PRESSING PROBLEMS IN AMERICA. >> AND ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED IN CONGRESS IS A LOT OF
00:01:33PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE ARE NOT REPUBLICAN PROBLEMS OR DEMOCRATIC PROBLEMS.
00:01:37THEY'RE AMERICAN PROBLEMS. AND MY CONSTITUENTS EXPECT RESULTS.
00:01:39AND OFTENTIMES THE BEST WAY TO FORGE PUBLIC POLICY IS WHEN YOU
00:01:42HAVE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS COMING TOGETHER TO ADVANCE
00:01:45POLICY SOLUTIONS THAT ARE DURABLE AND LASTING.
00:01:48AND ALMOST ALL THE TIME, THOSE SOLUTIONS COME THROUGH
00:01:51BIPARTISAN COOPERATION. AND THE PROBLEM SOLVERS IS A GROUP OF OF COMMITTED
00:01:54REPUBLICANS AND COMMITTED DEMOCRATS. AND I'M JUST ATTRACTED TO GETTING STUFF DONE FOR MY DISTRICT.
00:01:58AND YOU DO THAT BY WORKING WITH COLLEAGUES, BOTH ON YOUR SIDE AND ACROSS THE AISLE WHO ARE
00:02:02SIMILARLY MINDED. SO GLAD TO BE A PART OF THAT GROUP. AND ED CASE FROM HAWAII IS A
00:02:06GREAT EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE DEMOCRATS THAT'S TERRIFIC TO WORK WITH. >> CONGRESSMAN CASE, WHAT ABOUT YOU?
00:02:11>> FIRST OF ALL, BACK TO YOU. JEFF, YOU'VE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING PARTNER, OUTSTANDING MEMBER OF
00:02:14THE PROBLEM SOLVERS. LOOK, I THINK I THINK MOST OF US
00:02:18THAT COME TO CONGRESS JUST WANT TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. WE WE WANT TO FACE UP TO OUR
00:02:21CHALLENGES AND SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT INTO YELLING
00:02:24AND SCREAMING AND SWEARING AND
00:02:26PRETENDING THAT OUR CHALLENGES ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW
00:02:31INSURMOUNTABLE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'S SUCH A DEEP DIVIDE THAT WE CAN NEVER SOLVE THEM.
00:02:35AND THE REALITY OF OF LEGISLATING, TRULY LEGISLATING
00:02:38IS THIS OUR JOBS IS TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
00:02:41OUR JOB IS TO OVERCOME DENIAL AND ANGER AND GET INTO THE
00:02:46ACTUAL SOLVING OF NATIONAL ISSUES AND THE PROBLEM SOLVERS
00:02:49AS AT THE CENTER OF THAT AND HAS BEEN FOR A WHILE.
00:02:51AND IT CAME TOGETHER FOR THAT
00:02:53PURPOSE BECAUSE MANY OF US ON THE ON THE R AND THE D SIDE WERE
00:02:56FRUSTRATED WITH THE WITH THE POLITICAL DYNAMIC. WE WERE FRUSTRATED WITH THE
00:02:59DIALOG THAT WE WERE FRUSTRATED WITH THE DIVIDE.
00:03:03AND SO THE PROBLEM SOLVERS WAS
00:03:05WAS CREATED SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO WITH SOME VERY SPECIFIC
00:03:09GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW US TO
00:03:11FUNCTION IN A VERY SAFE PLACE TO
00:03:13TALK ABOUT VERY DIFFICULT ISSUES
00:03:15AND TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN AND THEN TO GO OUT THERE AND ADVOCATE.
00:03:20WE'RE ABOUT 40 SOME ODD STRONG AT THIS POINT, EVENLY DIVIDED
00:03:24BETWEEN HOURS AND DAYS. WE MUST BE. AND WE HAVE WORKED ON SOME OF
00:03:27THE TOUGHEST STUFF THAT THAT IS OUT THERE.
00:03:30WE WERE CENTRAL TO THE TO THE TO THE TO THE LANDMARK HISTORIC
00:03:35INFRASTRUCTURE BILLS OF SOME YEARS AGO. WE'RE AT THE CENTER OF IMMIGRATION.
00:03:38WE HAVE WORKED ACTIVELY IN DEBT
00:03:42AND DEFICIT REFORM, WHICH IS
00:03:44VERY TOUGH STUFF. SOCIAL SECURITY, HEALTH CARE
00:03:48REFORM, ETC. SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO TRY TO
00:03:53CONTRIBUTE TO THAT. >> NOW, GENTLEMEN, CONGRESS JUST
00:03:55BEGAN A SEVEN WEEK RECESS.
00:03:57TALK ABOUT SOLVING PROBLEMS. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE LEVEL
00:04:00OF PROBLEM SOLVING THAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE EVERYONE HAS
00:04:03HAS LEFT TOWN. THIS IS SPEAKING FROM MY
00:04:09PERSPECTIVE, REPRESENTING MY DISTRICT. >> I'M NEVER GOING TO BE SATISFIED. THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT WE CAN
00:04:12BE DOING TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE AND
00:04:16WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW
00:04:20FOLKS HAVE PRESSING CONCERNS IN BEING AT HOME FOR THE CAMPAIGN SIDE.
00:04:23MY PERSPECTIVE IS I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO ALSO BE IN MY DISTRICT MEETING MY
00:04:27CONSTITUENTS, TELLING ME ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE HERE, BUT ALSO SOME
00:04:30OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT I DON'T THINK GET A LOT OF
00:04:34ATTENTION, LIKE WHAT CONGRESS VACATES AND ARE WORKING ON WITH
00:04:37RESPECT TO GERRYMANDERING REFORM. I AM HAPPY TO GET BACK TO MY
00:04:41DISTRICT AND TALK TO MY CONSTITUENTS AND SHOW THEM, HEY,
00:04:43I KNOW WHEN IF YOU JUST WATCH CABLE TV, IT'S SHOUTING HEADS,
00:04:47PEOPLE YELLING AT OTHER PEOPLE. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DOING IN CONGRESS
00:04:50THAT'S MEANINGFUL. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT CONGRESSMAN CASE THAT I KNOW THAT IF HE'S ANYTHING LIKE ME
00:04:54AND I KNOW HE IS, THERE'S SOME STUFF THAT YOU DO HERE THAT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING.
00:04:57BUT THERE'S THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT YOU DO THAT ARE REALLY MEANINGFUL.
00:05:00AND THIS INITIATE MOVE AND ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT CONGRESSMAN
00:05:04CASEY JUST TICKED OFF ARE IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. AND GERRYMANDERING REFORM IS A BIG ONE.
00:05:08AND THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CALENDAR IS, I CAN'T CONTROL IT.
00:05:11ED CAN'T CONTROL IT, REGARDLESS OF THE CALENDAR IS HERE. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME
00:05:15HOME AND LET OUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW THE GOOD WORK THAT WE'RE DOING THAT THEY MIGHT NOT ALWAYS SEE ON TELEVISION.
00:05:19>> CONGRESSMAN CASE I SAW A BIT OF A SLY SMILE FROM YOU THERE
00:05:22WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE RECESS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? OH, NO, IT WASN'T A SLIGHT
00:05:26SMILE. >> I SAID, NO, I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT. WITH WITH THE LEVEL OF OUR OF
00:05:29OUR PROBLEMS SOLVING, WE HAVE WE HAVE MAJOR CHALLENGES FACING US
00:05:33NOW. WE HAVE WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE THERE.
00:05:36THERE ARE THE ECONOMY, AFFORDABILITY, CERTAINLY
00:05:41GERRYMANDERING, WHICH JEFF AND I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD ON WITH OUR PROBLEMS ARE, AS I MENTIONED
00:05:44AND DEFICIT EARLIER. I COULD GO RIGHT DOWN THE LIST.
00:05:47FOREIGN POLICY. THERE ARE MANY, MANY CHALLENGES AND THE CONGRESS IS HERE TO
00:05:51SOLVE OUR COUNTRY'S PROBLEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT OUR JOB IS.
00:05:55AND SO AS JEFF AND I THINK JEFF SAID IT WELL, I'M NEVER
00:05:59SATISFIED WITH WITH WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TIME AND THE
00:06:03EFFORT IN CONGRESS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE CHALLENGES.
00:06:06BUT UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO HOME AND THEY HAVE TO CONNECT WITH THEIR
00:06:12CONSTITUENTS AS. AS I'M GOING TO DO AS WELL HERE AND WE ALL HAVE TO GET REELECTED
00:06:15EVERY TWO YEARS. AND SO THIS IS A TIME TO GO HOME
00:06:18AND TALK WITH OUR KIDS TO CHANCE. AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE'RE
00:06:22RECONNECTED. AND OBVIOUSLY TO ASK THEM TO BE
00:06:26ABLE TO CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS AND TO BE ABLE TO FACE THOSE CHALLENGES AND SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS.
00:06:30>> CONGRESSMAN HURD, YOU'RE A FRESHMAN. I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR ASSESSMENT.
00:06:35WHAT HAS SURPRISED YOU ABOUT CONGRESS? WHAT ENCOURAGES YOU, WHAT
00:06:38DISCOURAGES YOU AS YOU NEAR THE END OF YOUR FIRST TERM?
00:06:42MY BIGGEST SURPRISE IS THE NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS AND
00:06:44DEMOCRATS THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING THAT ARE HERE FOR GOOD REASONS.
00:06:48>> CERTAINLY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS THAT ARE LESS COMMITTED TO THAT AND ARE MORE
00:06:52INTERESTED IN PURSUING THEIR PERSONAL INTERESTS AND GETTING
00:06:55ON TELEVISION AND RAISING MONEY BY, YOU KNOW, THROWING
00:06:59RHETORICAL BOMBS. BUT THERE IS A SOLID AND DECENT
00:07:03NUMBER OF COLLEAGUES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE THAT ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THE RIGHT THING.
00:07:07UNFORTUNATELY, THE INCENTIVES IN OUR SYSTEM DON'T ALWAYS INCENT
00:07:10US TO TO TO WORK IN THE WAYS
00:07:14THAT ARE MOST EFFECTIVE HERE IN CONGRESS. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE
00:07:18BIGGEST SURPRISE FOR ME, ARE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I'D NEVER HEARD OF THEM.
00:07:21AND I'M FAIRLY IT WAS FAIRLY CONNECTED TO POLITICS, BUT I
00:07:23WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SEE AS
00:07:25THE MOST SERIOUS PROBLEM SOLVERS HERE. THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE BIGGEST
00:07:29SURPRISE FOR ME. I WILL TELL YOU ALSO HOW
00:07:31IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP CHIPS ARE
00:07:33IS SOMETHING THAT HAS HIT HOME TO ME.
00:07:37IT IS VERY HARD IF ED CASE COMES
00:07:39TO ME AND SAYS, HEY, JEFF, THERE IS AN ISSUE IN HAWAII THAT
00:07:43MATTERS. HE'S HE'S I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. I LIKE HIM.
00:07:47IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TO TO SAY NO, NO, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
00:07:51AND AND I'M SURE ED WOULD SAY THE SAME THING FOR ME. BUT HAVING SOMEBODY THAT YOU
00:07:54LIKE TO WORK WITH AND THAT YOU WANT TO TRY TO SOLVE A PROBLEM
00:07:58WITH IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE
00:08:01HERE AND RELATIONSHIPS REALLY MATTER. THOSE ARE THE TWO, TWO BIG THINGS THAT I'VE TAKEN AWAY.
00:08:06SO FAR IN CONGRESS. >> YOUR RELATIONSHIP HAS HAS BROUGHT YOU TO A LOT OF WORK ON
00:08:09ON GERRYMANDERING, WHICH YOU BOTH JUST MENTIONED AS PART OF
00:08:12THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS. YOU TWO CO-LEAD THE GERRYMANDER
00:08:15WORKING GROUP AND YOU UNVEILED YOUR BYPASS ASSET AND REFORMS THIS WEEK.
00:08:18LET'S TAKE A LISTEN TO SOME OF THAT. >> THIS SCOURGE OF MID-DECADE
00:08:23REDISTRICTING IS RELATIVELY NEW AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO STOP. >> IT'S NOT GOOD.
00:08:27IT'S NOT HEALTHY FOR OUR COUNTRY
00:08:30OR FOR OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM.
00:08:32THAT'S WHY CONGRESSMAN CASE ARE
00:08:34INTRODUCING THE PROBLEM SOLVERS
00:08:36TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPOWER REDISTRICTING UNDER STABLE
00:08:41TIMELINES ACT, THE TRUST ACT TO
00:08:43END MID-DECADE REDISTRICTING AND
00:08:45ESTABLISH A CLEAR NATIONWIDE RULE THAT MAPS ARE DRAWN ONCE A
00:08:49DECADE FOLLOWING CENSUS. >> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE
00:08:53IS TO GO AFTER FOUR INGREDIENTS. NUMBER ONE, WHEN ARE
00:08:57CONGRESSIONAL MAPS DRAWN?
00:08:59NUMBER TWO, HOW ARE THEY DRAWN? NUMBER THREE, WHO GETS TO DRAW
00:09:05THEM? AND NUMBER FOUR, HOW DO WE RESOLVE DISPUTES?
00:09:10THOSE ARE ALL INGREDIENTS OF THE ISSUE.
00:09:12AND TODAY, IN THIS PARTICULAR
00:09:15BILL, THE TRUST ACT, WE ARE TRYING TO GET AFTER WHEN WE DRAW
00:09:19MAPS, I GENUINELY THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
00:09:23ISSUES. >> AND OUR MODERN POLITICS AND WHAT I CONSTANTLY HEAR FROM BOTH
00:09:28DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS IS REDISTRICT DOING THIS, THIS
00:09:31MID-DECADE REDISTRICTING IS TERRIBLE FOR DEMOCRACY.
00:09:35BUT THE OTHER GUYS ARE DOING IT. SO SO WE HAVE TO DO IT TOO. AND EVERYONE FEELS LIKE THIS IS
00:09:39JUST INEVITABLE RACE TO THE BOTTOM.
00:09:41CONGRESSMAN CASE, HOW LIKELY IS
00:09:44IT THAT THAT ANYTHING WILL ACTUALLY MOVE HERE?
00:09:48>> WELL, I THINK I THINK THE I THINK THE VOTERS OUT THERE ARE
00:09:52DISGUSTED WITH HYPERPARTISAN GERRYMANDER. I THINK I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING
00:09:55TO GO HOME AND THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR ALL OVER AGAIN THAT
00:09:59GERRYMANDERING IS BAD, THAT IT'S
00:10:01IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS WE ALL WE ALL AGREE ON IT.
00:10:04I THINK THAT MOST AMERICANS AGREE THAT GERRYMANDERING, TO
00:10:09START WITH IS A BAD THING, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY DESIGN
00:10:13CONGRESSIONAL. AND LET'S JUST BE REALLY, REALLY CLEAR HERE BECAUSE THERE'S OFTEN
00:10:16SOME CONFUSION HERE. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE
00:10:19THE CONGRESSIONAL MAPS FOR U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
00:10:24DISTRICTS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT STATE LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTS, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING, OBVIOUSLY, ABOUT
00:10:28THE U.S. SENATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE WHOLE STATE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW EACH
00:10:31STATE IS ALLOCATED AND CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS.
00:10:33SO THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES IS WHAT WE'RE
00:10:38TALKING.
00:10:44ABOUT. AND GERRYMANDERING, WHERE ESSENTIALLY THE POLITICIANS TRY TO PICK THEIR VOTERS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE EDGE, RESULTING IN VERY, VERY WEIRD MAPS, VERY
00:10:48DISCONNECT THAT MAPS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM.
00:10:50WHAT HAS MADE IT VERY WORSE IN THIS IS, IS THAT IT'S JUST SO
00:10:54HYPER PARTIZAN NOW AND AND MODERN TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS FOR
00:10:56SUCH INCREDIBLE DISTINCTIONS IN
00:10:59TERMS OF HOW YOU DRAW THOSE MAPS FOR A DISTINCT POLITICAL PURPOSE.
00:11:03AND THEN ADD ON TOP OF THAT THAT WE ARE NOW IN, AS YOU ALREADY
00:11:07PUT IT, A SERIES OF DESCENDING
00:11:09WARS OVER THAT WHERE WE ARE
00:11:11BASICALLY INTO IN EVERY SINGLE
00:11:14CYCLE REDISTRICTING AND THAT AND THAT CAUSES MULTIPLE PROBLEMS.
00:11:18BUT AT THE TOP LEVEL, THE
00:11:20PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S CORROSIVE TO DEMOCRACY.
00:11:22IT DISILLUSIONED VOTERS, IT DISENFRANCHIZES VOTERS.
00:11:26AND IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE
00:11:30WORKINGS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY DESTROYS PROBLEM
00:11:34SOLVING. IT ACTUALLY RESULTS IN A
00:11:37PREDOMINANCE OF MORE EXTREME POSITIONS THAT ARE NOT REALLY
00:11:41INTERESTED AND PROBLEM SOLVING AND THE DETRIMENT OF REALLY
00:11:45DESTROYING THAT ARE COMPETITIVE, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY WILL SEE THE
00:11:48SOLVING OF A PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTRY THROUGH DEBATE AND
00:11:52THROUGH THE PROBLEM SOLVERS AND OTHER GROUPS SITTING DOWN AND
00:11:54TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FIGURE THEM OUT. >> BUT CONGRESSMAN HURD, GIVEN IT, IS ACTUALLY THE POLITICIANS
00:11:58THAT ARE ALSO BEHIND THIS, WHAT
00:12:02KIND OF RESPONSE ARE YOU GETTING FROM FROM YOUR COLLEAGUES ON
00:12:04BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE HERE? >> CERTAINLY, I THINK THERE IS A
00:12:08LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THAT ARE UNHAPPY WITH IT. I'LL TELL YOU, WITH EVEN THE
00:12:12MEMBERS THAT ARE IN DISTRICTS OR IN STATES THAT ARE BEING
00:12:15REDISTRICTED IN THE REDISTRICTED THEMSELVES FOR THEIR OWN
00:12:18ADVANTAGE, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
00:12:20I WILL ALSO SAY ED HAD A GREAT POINT.
00:12:23THIS GETS THE ISSUE OF CORRUPTION, TRUST IN GOVERNMENT
00:12:27VOTERS, CHOOSING POLITICIANS NOT POLITICIANS CHOOSING THE VOTERS.
00:12:30IT ALSO GETS TO THE ISSUE OF HOW WE CAN BE EFFECTIVE LEGISLATOR.
00:12:34THERE IS NO WAY THAT I COULD BE AS EFFECTIVE A LEGISLATOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY
00:12:38CONSTITUENTS ARE GOING TO BE IN TWO YEARS AND IN GETTING TO KNOW
00:12:40THEM AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND UNDERSTAND THE CITIES AND IN
00:12:44PARTS OF MY DISTRICT, I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO A GOOD JOB OF THAT. IF IN TWO YEARS I'M GOING TO BE
00:12:50REPRESENTING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF THE DISTRICT OR RUNNING IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PART OF THE DISTRICT.
00:12:53AND SO IT'S ALSO FUNDAMENTALLY NOT FAIR TO THE VOTERS IN THAT
00:12:56SENSE AS WELL AS THAT THEIR MEMBER OF CONGRESS IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SERVE THEM WELL
00:13:00WHEN THE BOUNDARIES ARE CONSTANT CHANGING.
00:13:02WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE END OF THE YEAR. IT'S 2026.
00:13:06THERE'S ONLY A YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE NEXT
00:13:09CENSUS, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT AS
00:13:12WE GET CLOSER, THE CHANCES OF US GETTING THIS BILL ACROSS THE FINISH LINE ARE ONLY GOING TO
00:13:16GET HIGHER. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PUSHING IT IN.
00:13:18THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE SUPPORT
00:13:21FOR IT IS BROADER THAN WHAT YOU MIGHT NECESSARILY THINK OF.
00:13:25IF YOU JUST LOOK AT IT AT AT THE HEADLINES. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER
00:13:29ISSUE THAT WE ARE SEEING INCREASINGLY BOTH ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL ON CAPITOL HILL.
00:13:32THE WHITE HOUSE IS DEALING WITH IT AND AMERICANS AT LARGE ARE
00:13:35KIND OF FREAKING OUT OVER IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS, OF COURSE,
00:13:39ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE DEBATE OVER WHAT TO DO WITH A
00:13:42AI, WHO SHOULD TAKE ACTION, WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. I SAT DOWN WITH LOUISIANA
00:13:46REPUBLICAN SENATOR BILL CASSIDY FOR MY PODCAST, THE CONVERSATION.
00:13:48HERE'S WHAT HE TOLD ME ABOUT IT. LOOK WHO SHOULD BE SETTING THE GUARDRAILS.
00:13:52SHOULD IT BE JUST THE A.I. COMPANIES THEMSELVES OR SHOULD BE CONGRESS?
00:13:56>> OKAY, NOW, NOW, BY THE WAY, IT HAS TO BE DYNAMIC. >> IT MAY ALSO BE THE COURTS.
00:13:59>> IT MAY ALSO BE THE COURTS. >> I DO THINK THERE'S A BIG ROLE FOR GOVERNMENT REGULATION.
00:14:02>> ABSOLUTELY. AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S CERTAINLY
00:14:06WITH PRECEDENT. ANYTHING THAT IS THIS TRANSFORMATIVE.
00:14:09>> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO WEIGH IN ON AND THE AMERICAN
00:14:13PEOPLE EXPRESS THEIR THOUGHTS AND ANXIETIES AND HOPES AND
00:14:15ASPIRATIONS THROUGH REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
00:14:19>> CONGRESSMAN HUNTER, DO YOU AGREE WITH SENATOR CASSIDY?
00:14:22THERE THAT THE CONGRESS SHOULD TAKE A BIG ROLE IN THIS?
00:14:25>> I WOULD SAY RUSSIA HAS AN
00:14:28EXTRAORDINARY POTENTIAL TO IMPROVE PRODUCTIVITY, SCIENTIFIC
00:14:31RESEARCH, SCIENTIFIC ADVANCES, MEDICINE, NATIONAL SECURITY, ENERGY, ALL THOSE PARTS OF
00:14:35AMERICAN LIFE. BUT IT ALSO PRESENTS LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS THAT I THINK MY
00:14:39CONSTITUENTS AND MOST MEMBERS OF CONGRESS CONSTITUENTS ARE
00:14:43CONCERNED ABOUT. PRIVACY ISSUES, FRAUD,
00:14:45CYBERSECURITY, NATIONAL SECURITY
00:14:48ISSUES, INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY, WORKFORCE DISRUPTION.
00:14:51THESE ARE ISSUES THAT DON'T STOP
00:14:53AT STATE LINES AND IT'S A NATIONAL ECONOMIC SECURITY ISSUE.
00:14:56AND SO FOR THAT REASON, I THINK CONGRESS SHOULD TAKE THESE
00:15:00ISSUES SERIOUSLY. BUT WE SHOULDN'T ASSUME THAT
00:15:03EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM REQUIRES THE SAME REGULATORY RESPONSE. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT IDENTIFYING
00:15:09SPECIFIC RISKS AND DETERMINING WHETHER THE LAW THAT WE HAVE
00:15:13ADDRESSES THEM BEFORE CREATING ENTIRELY NEW, BROAD REGULATORY STRUCTURES.
00:15:17BUT CERTAINLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IMPLICATES INTERSTATE COMMERCE AND CONGRESS SHOULD BE TAKING A VERY CAREFUL
00:15:22LOOK AT IT. AND THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE ONE THAT'S BIPARTISAN. >> CONGRESSMAN CASE, I SEE YOU NODDING THERE.
00:15:26DO YOU AGREE WITH CONGRESSMAN HURD? I DO VERY MUCH.
00:15:30>> LET'S START WITH SOME BASICS HERE.
00:15:32ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS HERE TO STAY. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.
00:15:35IT IS GOING TO SHAPE OUR FUTURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS GOING
00:15:40TO BE CENTRAL. FAR MORE CENTRAL TO OUR LIVES,
00:15:43FOR BETTER AND WORSE IN THE
00:15:46COMING DAYS, YEARS AND DECADES.
00:15:49AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE DEBATE ABOUT, LET'S PUT ARTIFICIAL
00:15:53INTELLIGENCE BACK IN SOME BOTTLE AND PUT IT UP ON A SHELF, YOU
00:15:54KNOW, IS IS COMPARABLE TO SAYING
00:15:57THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION CAN'T HAPPEN EXCEPT, YOU KNOW, IN THE
00:16:01SITUATION IS IT'S ACTUALLY
00:16:03BROADER IN TERMS OF IMPACT AND FAR MORE ACCELERATED.
00:16:06AND AS AS REPORTED SAID, IT'S
00:16:09ACROSS THE BOARD. I HAPPEN TO SPEND MOST OF MY TIME IN CONGRESS AND NATIONAL
00:16:13DEFENSE AND ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS CRITICAL TO NATIONAL DEFENSE AND OUR
00:16:18ADVERSARIES ARE DEFINITELY PURSUING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND THAT'S GOING TO SHAPE
00:16:21NATIONAL DEFENSE. AND SO THERE'S A WHOLE RANGE OF
00:16:24ISSUES WHERE THIS IS A REALITY AND THERE'S TREMENDOUS
00:16:28OPPORTUNITY BUT TREMENDOUS RISK ALSO.
00:16:30AND THERE IS NOBODY ELSE REALLY
00:16:33THAT IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO
00:16:36FASHION THE PROPER LEVELS OF A
00:16:40BALANCE SIGNAL OF VARIOUS
00:16:42INTERESTS OF OF OF FACILITATING
00:16:45DEVELOPMENT AND REALIZATION OF OPPORTUNITY.
00:16:48WELL, WELL, ADDRESSING RISK THEN CONGRESS, IT FALLS UPON US.
00:16:52THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER INSTITUTION THAT CAN DO THAT. SO THE QUESTION IS NOT WHETHER
00:16:55WE SHOULD DO IT, BUT HOW WE SHOULD DO IT. AND WE WE HAVE CERTAINLY DRAGGED
00:16:58OUR FEET ON IT UNTIL WE'RE AT
00:17:02THE POINT THAT WE HAVE SEEN AND
00:17:05IN THE NATIONAL DEBATE JUST THIS MONTH WITH WHAT SOME OF THE
00:17:08RISKS BEING VERY OBVIOUS. AND SO THIS IS AND WE CAN'T
00:17:11LEAVE BUT EXCLUSIVELY TO THE STATES. SO THEY CAN CAN'T BE ONE
00:17:15STANDARD FOR ONE STATE AND ONE STANDARD FOR ANOTHER STATE.
00:17:18AND IT ACTUALLY, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WOULD IT BE AN
00:17:22INTERNATIONAL STANDARD BECAUSE THESE RISKS ARE DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT STATE LINES.
00:17:26THEY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT COUNTRY LINES OR INTERNET NATIONAL.
00:17:29AND SO THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOAL. AND CONGRESS HAS TO TURN TO THIS.
00:17:34SO THAT'S THE REALITY. >> WELL, PRESIDENT TRUMP THINKS
00:17:37IT'S ACTUALLY ON ON HIM TO TO
00:17:39SET THE DIRECTION HERE.
00:17:41HE RECENTLY WROTE ON TRUE SOCIAL THAT THE ONLY CONTROL OR
00:17:46GUARDRAILS THAT AI NEEDS IS A STRONG AND SMART HIGH IQ
00:17:48PARENTHESES PRESIDENT AND THE
00:17:50USA HAS THAT IN SPADES.
00:17:53CONGRESSMAN HURD, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE PRESIDENT'S
00:17:56STATEMENT THERE AND HIM COMING OUT AND CALLING, YOU KNOW,
00:17:59ANYTHING BAD ABOUT AI A HOAX THIS WEEK? WELL, I THINK CONGRESS HAS AN
00:18:03INDEPENDENT RESPONSIBILITY TO EXAMINE THESE QUESTIONS EXACTLY
00:18:05LIKE CONGRESSMAN CASE HAD TO SAY WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY LISTEN TO
00:18:10THE ADMINISTRATION. >> WE SHOULD BE LISTENING TO TECHNOLOGY COMPANIES,
00:18:13RESEARCHERS, NATIONAL SECURITY PROFESSIONALS, WORKERS, OUR
00:18:17CONSUMERS, OTHERS AFFECTED BY THE TECHNOLOGY, OUR CONSTITUENTS.
00:18:20BUT ULTIMATELY, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE NEED TO SEE WHAT LAWS ARE NEEDED.
00:18:24IF THERE ARE EXISTING LAWS THAT ARE ADEQUATE, WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY USE THEM.
00:18:27BUT WHERE THERE ARE IDENTIFIABLE
00:18:29GAPS THAT RAISE SERIOUS HARMS, CONGRESS SHOULD DETERMINE
00:18:34WHETHER LEGISLATION THAT'S APPROPRIATELY TAILORED IS
00:18:38NECESSARY, AND WE SHOULD WORK HARD TO IMPLEMENT. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BEGIN
00:18:40FROM EITHER EXTREME. YOU KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REGULATE EVERY SINGLE
00:18:44THING OR THAT CONGRESS SHOULD SIMPLY IGNORE LEGITIMATE RISKS.
00:18:47THE RIGHT, I THINK PATH IS SOMEWHERE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.
00:18:50YEAH. >> TO THAT POINT, CONGRESSMAN CASE, YOU'VE GOT THE PRESIDENT SAYING NO GUARDRAILS AND YOU'VE
00:18:54GOT SOMEONE LIKE SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS SAYING WE NEED TO PAUSE,
00:18:57WE NEED A MORE ATRIUM. DO YOU THINK SENATOR SANDERS IS
00:19:01WRONG? DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT IS WRONG OR IS IT TO CONGRESSMAN
00:19:05HURD'S POINT, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE?
00:19:08>> WELL, I DO I DO LIVE AND WORK IN THE MIDDLE.
00:19:11AND SO I DON'T GRAVITATE TOWARDS
00:19:15THE THE EXTREME STATEMENTS ON EITHER SIDE.
00:19:17OTHER THAN THAT, THEY FRAME THE THEY FRAME THE OVERALL ISSUES.
00:19:21SO THEY'RE VALUABLE. I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T DENY IT.
00:19:23THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE NATIONAL DEBATE.
00:19:26SHOULD WE SHOULD WE ALLOW AI TO
00:19:29DEVELOP AND AND, YOU KNOW, GO OUT THERE UNFETTERED?
00:19:32NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD. SHOULD WE SHUT IT DOWN?
00:19:36NO, I DON'T DO NOT BELIEVE WE SHOULD. NOR DO I THINK THAT WE CAN.
00:19:40AND SO THE ANSWER IS AN
00:19:44INCLUSIVE, DIFFICULT BUT FULL A
00:19:48DISCUSS. AND THAT REQUIRES THE BEST OF
00:19:51US, REALLY REQUIRES US TO KIND OF RISE ABOVE YOU KNOW,
00:19:54INDIVIDUAL PAROCHIAL INTERESTS OR THE INTERESTS OF ANY ONE
00:19:57COMPANY OR CONSTITUENCY, SAY,
00:19:59AND DECIDE ON WHAT ARE REALLY
00:20:02ONE OF THE MOST MOMENTOUS
00:20:04DECISIONS THAT OUR COUNTRY, OUR WORLD, ARE GOING TO MAKE IN A
00:20:08GENERATION. AND HOW HOW DO WE HOW DO WE
00:20:11CAPTURE THE OPPORTUNITIES OF AI
00:20:13EXCEPT AND AND AND GO WITH THE
00:20:17THE THE INEVITABILITY OF IT AND
00:20:19YET CONTROL RISKS ON AN INTERNATIONAL SCALE, THAT THAT'S
00:20:23A MULTIFACETED ISSUE. FRANKLY, IT'S IT'S PERFECT FOR THE PROBLEM SOLVERS FIGHTING
00:20:27SHOULD ACTUALLY GET INTO THIS
00:20:29REPORT WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE.
00:20:31>> WELL THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD
00:20:33IS ON YOUR SHOULDERS, GENTLEMEN,
00:20:35AT THE PROBLEM SOLVERS CAUCUS.
00:20:38LET'S TALK QUICKLY ABOUT THE MIDTERMS, BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING
00:20:40SO CLOSE HERE. THIS NEW NEW YORK TIMES SIENA
00:20:44POLL HAS NOW FOUND THAT 49% OF
00:20:47LIKELY VOTERS PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO PROVIDE A CHECK ON
00:20:51TRUMP, WHILE.
00:21:0026 PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT SUPPORTS TRUMP AND 21% SAID IT DOESN'T MATTER. LAST WEEK AT THE REPUBLICAN MIDTERM CONVENTION, PRESIDENT TRUMP ONCE AGAIN ASKED VOTERS TO
00:21:04TREAT THE ELECTION AS THOUGH HE IS ON THE BALLOT. LISTEN, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT.
00:21:07>> YOU GOT TO PRETEND I'M NOT ON THE TICKET. YOU GOT TO DO ME A BIG THE
00:21:11BIGGEST FAVOR YOU'VE EVER DONE ME. YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS FOR ME.
00:21:15YOU'VE GOT TO PRETEND I'M ON THE TICKET. I'M ON THE TICKET. I'M ON THE TICKET.
00:21:19HE'S ON THE TICKET. PRETEND I'M ON DETECTING
00:21:23CONGRESSMAN HER. >> GIVEN THE POLLING NUMBERS YOU JUST SAW AND THE PRESIDENT'S UP
00:21:27POPULARITY OR LACK THEREOF, RIGHT NOW, IS HE PUTTING
00:21:30REPUBLICANS LIKE YOURSELF IN A BIND WHEN HE SAYS, I'M ON THE
00:21:34BALLOT? >> WELL, LOOK, I THINK I TRY NOT
00:21:37TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME PREDICTING ELECTION OUTCOMES AND
00:21:40I CAN ONLY SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY ON ON MY RACE IN MY DISTRICT.
00:21:44THERE ARE 435 INDIVIDUAL HOUSE RACES AND VOTERS IN EACH
00:21:47DISTRICT ARE GOING TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION. AND BUT IT IS THAT KIND OF
00:21:50MESSAGE HELPFUL FOR YOU PERSONALLY?
00:21:52>> WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO ME AND MY KIDS, I THINK I'VE
00:21:56DEMONSTRATED AN INDEPENDENCE AND A WILLINGNESS TO WHERE I AGREE
00:21:58WITH THE PRESIDENT AND WITH THE ADMINISTRATION'S PRIORITIES. >> I'VE BEEN WITH HIM.
00:22:02BUT WHERE I DISAGREE, FOR EXAMPLE, ON TARIFFS, I WAS THE ONE REPUBLICAN THAT LOST THE
00:22:06PRESIDENT'S ENDORSEMENT FOR A WHILE THIS CYCLE BECAUSE OF MY
00:22:08VOTE ON ON TARIFFS. WHEN IT COMES TO PREDICTING
00:22:12PERMITTING CERTAINTY, WHEN IT COMES TO EXTENDING THE
00:22:16AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. BUT BY THE WAY, SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE PROBLEM SOLVERS DID,
00:22:19THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, ENHANCED PREMIUM TAX CREDITS.
00:22:22THAT'S A PROBLEM SOLVERS ISSUE THAT WE ADDRESSED.
00:22:25I THINK THE VOTERS IN MY DISTRICT SAY, HEY, HERE'S A
00:22:29REPRESENTATIVE THAT REPRESENTS A DISTRICT. HE DELIVERS RESULTS. HE FIGHTS FOR HIS DISTRICT WHERE
00:22:33HE AGREES WITH THE PRESIDENT. WE SEE THAT HE'S REPRESENTING
00:22:36OUR DISTRICT, BUT HE'S NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP AND SHOW INDEPENDENTS AS WELL.
00:22:39>> CONGRESSMAN CASE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO
00:22:43MAKE THIS ELECTION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP.
00:22:47IS IS THAT ENOUGH?
00:22:49DO DEMOCRATS NEED TO DO MORE TO
00:22:51BUILD AN AFFIRMATIVE VISION AND
00:22:53PARTY PLATFORM FOR FOR VOTERS? >> FIRST OF ALL, THE ANSWER TO
00:22:57YOUR QUESTION IS YES. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT DEMOCRATS
00:23:01HAVE TO DO. BUT I START WITH THE PREMISE, WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT IS
00:23:05CORRECT. WHETHER HE ASKED TO BE ON THE TICKET OR NOT, IT'S GOING HE IS ON THE TICKET.
00:23:08THIS IS GOING TO BE A REFERENDUM ON PRESIDENT TRUMP AND I THINK
00:23:11WHAT'S ON PEOPLE'S MINDS IS, IS IS NOT ONLY WHETHER THEY AGREE
00:23:15OR DISAGREE WITH WITH THE PRESIDENT, NOT ONLY WHETHER THEY
00:23:18BELIEVE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DELIVERED ON THEIR TOP CONCERNS,
00:23:21FOR EXAMPLE, AFFORDABILITY AND THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY AND
00:23:26JOBS. BUT YOU PUT IT EXACTLY RIGHT, WHETHER THERE SHOULD BE AN
00:23:30INDEPENDENT CHECK AND BALANCE IN CONGRESS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A
00:23:34LEGITIMATE QUESTION FOR VOTERS
00:23:37TO ASK IS IS DOING NEED IN THIS
00:23:39TIME AND WITH THIS PRESIDENCY.
00:23:41CHECKS AND BALANCES IN CONGRESS, WHETHER THOSE PEOPLE ARE, AS
00:23:45JEFF ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, ARE
00:23:47AS CAPABLE OF CHECKING AND BALANCING THIS PRESIDENT. ARE THESE.
00:23:51AND SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO
00:23:53THAT'S GOING TO ABSOLUTE BE WHAT
00:23:58INFLUENCES THIS ELECTION THE MOST.
00:24:00AND I THINK THAT YOUR SECOND
00:24:02POINT, WHICH IS THE DEMOCRATS NEED MORE. ABSOLUTELY.
00:24:06BECAUSE THE REASON THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE NOT PREVAILED IN SOME OF THESE ELECTIONS WHERE,
00:24:09FRANKLY, I THINK DEMOCRATS SHOULD HAVE PREVAILED IS BECAUSE
00:24:13ALL THEY DID, ALL WE DID WAS TO
00:24:15SAY HOW BAD THE OTHER SIDE WAS WITHOUT OFFERING OUR OWN
00:24:19ALTERNATIVE. AND THAT FORCED MANY VOTERS,
00:24:22INCLUDING THOSE IN THE MIDDLE, WHO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THESE
00:24:26ELECTIONS, WHO IS PRESIDENT, WHO IS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS THAT FORCED THEM TO A VERY BAD CHOICE?
00:24:29I DON'T LIKE THE PERSON THAT THE DEMOCRATS SAY I DON'T LIKE, BUT
00:24:33I'M NOT SURE THAT I'VE I'VE HEARD A GOOD ALTERNATIVE. AND SO I'VE GOT TO MAKE A BAD CHOICE HERE.
00:24:37AND I THINK THAT THAT WAS THE
00:24:38ANSWER TO TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S SECOND ELECTION.
00:24:41SO I HOPE MY DEMOCRATS LEARNED THAT LESSON AND LEARN HOW TO
00:24:45TALK TO THE VOTERS THAT ARE GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER
00:24:49DEMOCRATS, YOU KNOW, DO DO PREVAIL IN THE MIDTERMS.
00:24:52>> CONGRESSMAN CASEY, ALSO YOU RECENTLY FENDED OFF A PRIMARY
00:24:56CHALLENGE FROM A PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATE. I'M CURIOUS TO GET YOUR
00:24:58PERSPECTIVE ON THIS DEBATE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY
00:25:02AND THE PROGRESSIVE WINS THAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THESE VARIOUS
00:25:06RACES. WHERE DO YOU THINK THIS PARTY IS
00:25:08HEADED AND HOW SHOULD THE PARTY
00:25:11AT LARGE HANDLE THESE FACTIONS, PARTICULARLY FOLKS IN THE DSA
00:25:15AND THE PROGRESSIVE LEFT?
00:25:19>> WELL, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT IT IS A VERY
00:25:21DIFFICULT DISCUSSION INSIDE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW
00:25:25BETWEEN A MODERATE MAINSTREAM
00:25:27VIEW OF POLITICS AND A FAR MORE EXTREME VIEW OF POLITICS.
00:25:30AND BY THE WAY, I WE'RE NOT ALONE. I MEAN, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS THE SAME DISCUSSION GOING ON
00:25:33INSIDE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. SO I WOULD ALMOST CHARACTERIZE
00:25:37THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I WOULD SAY THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE IF YOU LOOK AT THE VOTERS OF
00:25:41THIS COUNTRY ON A BELL CURVE, RIGHT, WHERE THE WHERE THE THE
00:25:45PEAK OF THAT BELL AND THE MIDDLE IS, IS REALLY THE MODERATE MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY, WHETHER
00:25:49YOU WANT TO CALL THEM R'S D'S EYES OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT KIND OF THE
00:25:53FAR RIGHT AND THE FAR LEFT IS
00:25:56THE IS THAT AND AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL FROM MY DISCUSSION THAT
00:25:59I CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE IN THAT THAT MODERATE MIDDLE PROBLEM
00:26:03SOLVING PART OF THE COUNTRY
00:26:05WHICH WHICH PARTY IS GOING TO BE
00:26:07ABLE TO DEVELOP A MANDATE TO TO
00:26:12GOVERN IN THAT WAY. WELL INCORPORATING IN SOME WAY,
00:26:15SHAPE OR FORM ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW
00:26:19INSIDE THEIR PARTY. AND SO THIS IS I THINK THE PARTY SHOULD BE A TENT PARTY AND BRING
00:26:23THOSE FOLKS IN, BECAUSE I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. >> YOU KNOW, AND WHILE THE THE
00:26:27THE ALTERNATIVE IS THAT THE PARTY CAN PERFECTLY REPRESENT
00:26:31SOME OF THE CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN THE PARTY AND BE A
00:26:34BEAUTIFUL MINORITY PARTY, AND I'M NOT PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THAT.
00:26:38>> SO, YES, THIS PARTY NEEDS TO
00:26:42MAKE THAT ACCOMMODATION. IN MY CASE, IN MY DISTRICT, THE
00:26:46VOTERS TOOK A LOOK AND SAID, YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
00:26:49BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THAT'S A CENTRAL ISSUE THAT IS THAT IS THAT IS GOING TO TURN
00:26:53THIS ELECTION. THAT CENTRAL ISSUE WILL TURN
00:26:55THIS ELECTORATE WHICH WAY THE VOTERS THINK, WHICH PARTY IS WHICH PARTY HAS DEMONSTRATED
00:26:59THAT THEY REPRESENT THE THE
00:27:03MAINSTREAM OF VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WANT THEIR PROBLEMS
00:27:06SOLVED RATHER THAN TALK ABOUT
00:27:08ISSUES THAT THEY DON'T THINK ARE PARTICULARLY RELEVANT. THAT'S TRUE. AND US SENATE RACES ACROSS OUR
00:27:13COUNTRY. THAT'S TRUE IN U.S. HOUSE RACES ACROSS THAT COUNTRY.
00:27:16AND IT IS IT IS A PRELUDE TO THE
00:27:20PRESIDENTIAL RACE IN JUST TWO YEARS. YEAH. >> CONGRESSMAN HURD, REPUBLICANS
00:27:24HAVE DEALT WITH THIS AS WELL.
00:27:26HOW HOW ARE YOU SEEING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC
00:27:30PARTY AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR FOR REPUBLICANS BOTH IN THE
00:27:33MIDTERMS AND AND GOING FORWARD?
00:27:36>> WELL, LISTEN, I THINK HAVING
00:27:38HEALTHY PARTIES THAT HAVE THEIR
00:27:41CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, DISAGREEMENT, BUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, WHEN
00:27:43YOU'RE IN THE MINORITY, LOYAL, LOYAL OPPOSITION, BUT BEING ABLE
00:27:48TO UNDERSTAND AND SHARE A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO
00:27:53ADDRESS IN THIS COUNTRY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND SO AS I LOOK AT IT FROM THE
00:27:56OUTSIDE AND LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, IT'S IT'S SIMILAR TO HOW I LOOK AT MY OWN
00:28:01PARTY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE APPEALING TO VOTERS, THAT WE'RE
00:28:03NOT JUST APPEALING TO THE MOST FRINGE ELEMENTS OF OF OF OUR
00:28:07PARTIES, BUT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE ON THE THINGS THAT MATTER.
00:28:11WHAT I TELL PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT IS I NEED THE VOTES OF PEOPLE THAT ONLY AGREE WITH ME
00:28:15ON SEVEN OUT OF TEN ISSUES OR AT
00:28:17A TEN ISSUES IN AND JUST
00:28:21DEMANDING PERFECTION AND PURITY IS NOT, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE
00:28:24RIGHT WAY TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE. WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND PRAGMATIC.
00:28:28I DESCRIBE MYSELF AS CONSERVATIVE, BUT ALSO PRAGMATIC. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT
00:28:33PROBLEMS SOLVERS WORKS IS ACTUALLY IN THE NAME OF WHAT WE
00:28:35IDENTIFY PROBLEMS SPECIFICALLY, AND THEN WE CAN SOLVE THEM.
00:28:39AND OFTENTIMES THAT BRINGS TOGETHER REPUBLICANS THAT ARE
00:28:43MORE CONSERVATIVE, REPUBLICANS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE AND DEMOCRATS THAT ARE MORE CONSERVATIVE, DEMOCRATS THAN
00:28:46DEMOCRATS THAT ARE ON THE LEFT. AND IF WE CAN DEFINE THESE PROBLEMS NARROWLY, WE CAN SOLVE
00:28:51THEM. AND THAT'S THE SORT OF PERSPECTIVE THAT I WANT TO HAVE
00:28:54WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO WIN RACES.
00:28:57I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HOLD OUR MAJORITY. BUT PART OF THE WAY THAT WE DO
00:29:01THAT IS BEING BY BEING A HEALTHY PARTY WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN
00:29:03PARTY, APPEALING TO VOTERS, SOLVING PROBLEMS AND IN BUILDING
00:29:07TRUST IN GOVERNMENT. >> PLUS, WE ARE IN THIS VERY INTERESTING SORT OF HORSESHOE
00:29:11THEORY MOMENT OF POLITICS WHERE YOU SAYING YOU'RE SAYING FOLKS
00:29:13LIKE BERNIE SANDERS AND STEVE BANNON AT THE SAME EVENT TALKING
00:29:17ABOUT AND SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TERMS. SO A LOT OF INTERESTING OVERLAP
00:29:21THESE DAYS, GENTLEMEN. THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
00:29:24HAWAII DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED CASE AND COLORADO REPUBLICAN
00:29:28CONGRESSMAN JEFF HURD. THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING ME.
00:29:30GREAT TO BE WITH YOU VERY MUCH. >> AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER IN
00:29:34THIS SHOW, THE DEBATE OVER HOW TO REGULATE ARTIFICIAL
00:29:38INTELLIGENCE HAS HEATED UP IN RECENT WEEKS WITH LAWMAKERS AND
00:29:40TECH LEADERS DEBATING HOW TO KEEP THE TECHNOLOGY'S
00:29:44DEVELOPMENT FROM MOVING FASTER THAN SAFETY MEASURES.
00:29:47>> THAT BRINGS US TO THIS WEEK'S C-SPAN FLASHBACK, WHERE WE DIG
00:29:51INTO THE VIDEO ARCHIVES. WHAT ARE THE EARLY AND MOST
00:29:53PROMINENT VOICES TO RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT A.I. WAS ELON
00:29:57MUSK. HERE HE IS IN 2017, SPEAKING AT THE NATIONAL GOVERNORS
00:30:01ASSOCIATION. SUMMER MEETING.
00:30:04>> A.I. IS A FUNDAMENTAL RISK TO THE EXISTENCE OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION.
00:30:08I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A ROLE FOR REGULATORS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
00:30:12AND I'M AGAINST OVERREGULATION, FOR SURE.
00:30:16BUT I THINK WE'VE GOT A GET ON THAT WITH AI PRONTO.
00:30:20I REALLY THINK WE NEED GOVERNMENT REGULATION HERE.
00:30:23JUST A BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ENSURING THE PUBLIC GOOD
00:30:27IS SERVED BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT COMPANIES THAT ARE RACING TO
00:30:30KIND OF HAVE TO RACE TO BUILD AI
00:30:31OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE MADE ON
00:30:37COMPETITIVE WHEN IT'S COOL AND WORKING AND REGULATORS ARE CONVINCED THAT IT'S SAFE TO
00:30:40PROCEED, THEN YOU CAN GO.
00:30:41BUT OTHERWISE SLOW DOWN.
00:30:45AND BUT BUT IT CAN NEEDS REGULATORS TO DO THAT. FOR ALL THE TEAMS IN THE GAME,
00:30:49YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE THE
00:30:52SHAREHOLDERS WOULD BE SAYING LIKE, HEY, WHY DON'T YOU
00:30:54DEVELOPING AI FASTER BECAUSE
00:30:58YOUR COMPETITOR IS NEARLY A
00:31:02DECADE LATER. >> THE DEBATE MUSK WARNED ABOUT HAS NOW MOVED FROM THE FUTURE TO
00:31:07THE.
00:31:13PRESENT. AND WHILE HE STILL ADVOCATES FOR GOVERNMENT IMPOSED GUARDRAILS ON ADVANCED AI, HE IS ALSO BUILDING HIS OWN ADVANCED A.I. MODELS TO DISCUSS THE POLICY DEBATE OVER
00:31:17ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND OTHER TOP POLITICAL STORIES OF THE WEEK. I'VE GOT TWO PROS FROM BOTH
00:31:20SIDES OF THE AISLE. DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST MO
00:31:24ELLEITHEE, FORMER SENIOR SPOKESMAN FOR SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON.
00:31:27PLUS A FORMER DNC COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR AND REPUBLICAN
00:31:31STRATEGIST ASHLEY DAVIS. SHE'S A FORMER SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE HOMELAND SECURITY
00:31:35DIRECTOR AND FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION, BOTH DURING THE
00:31:39GEORGE W BUSH ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
00:31:43THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.
00:31:45LET'S GET STARTED ON A.I. THAT FLASHBACK IS SO WILD TO
00:31:50WATCH. SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN.
00:31:52HAS EITHER PARTY HAVE A CLEAR PLAN FOR AI?
00:31:54>> ASHLEY? WELL, I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S
00:31:58GOING TO HAVE A REAL PLAN UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER. THERE'S SO MUCH WHEN THIS ISSUE
00:32:02POLLS SO WELL AND REGARDS TO 86%
00:32:06OF THE COUNTRY ARE AFRAID OF THE ISSUE.
00:32:08>> POLLS POORLY. >> BUT NO, BUT IT WILL FOR
00:32:10ESPECIALLY DEMOCRATS ON THINGS VERY CLEAR. >> PEOPLE ARE MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD HERE.
00:32:14>> ABSOLUTELY. AND ALSO THEN JUST ADD THE DATA CENTERS AS PART OF THAT
00:32:18CONVERSATION. BUT SO YOU'VE A LOT OF FINGER POINTING.
00:32:21YOU HAVE A LOT OF 100 DEMOCRATS. I THINK THIS WEEK AT LEAST
00:32:24SIGNED A LETTER ASKING THE SPEAKER NOT TO ADJOURN UNTIL HE
00:32:28PASSED SOME SORT OF A AI FRAMEWORK.
00:32:31WAS IT A MISTAKE FOR JOHNSON TO SEND FOLKS HOME EARLY? THERE'S NO WAY THAT WOULD HAVE
00:32:35EVER HAPPENED. SO, NO, I THINK THAT HE SENT PEOPLE HOME BECAUSE HE DIDN'T
00:32:39WANT TO VOTE ON SOME OF THE VOTES THAT WERE GOING TO COME UP.
00:32:42BUT, I MEAN, WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE
00:32:45CALLING FOR REGULATION AND IS AI
00:32:49GOVERNMENT MOVES TOO SLOW? I MEAN, I THINK THAT STATE GOVERNMENTS WILL DEFINITELY
00:32:52START TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THIS. AND REMEMBER, IN THE SPRING WHEN
00:32:55THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T WANTED
00:32:58PREEMPTION OVER STATES OF ANY AI
00:33:00REGULATION, I THINK AFTER NOVA, I THINK THAT'S OUT THE WINDOW. SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF
00:33:04ACTIVITY AND WE'LL SEE IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GET THEIR
00:33:06ACT IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO NEXT YEAR.
00:33:10BUT I OF THESE TECH COMPANIES
00:33:12WANT
00:33:16ESPECIALLY IF DEMOCRATS ARE IN CONTROL, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT.
00:33:18AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A POLITICAL STATEMENT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH DIFFERENT THAN
00:33:22REPUBLICANS PUTTING IN SOME SORT OF GUARDRAIL. >> YEAH, AND MO, YOU'VE GOT
00:33:26DEMOCRATS REALLY STARTING TO COME OUT FRONT ON THIS.
00:33:29PRESIDENT OBAMA CALLED FOR DEMOCRATS, ESPECIALLY LOOKING
00:33:33TOWARD 28 TO 20, FIND A LAME HERE.
00:33:35WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF HOW THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS COALESCING?
00:33:39WELL, I THINK I THINK DEMOCRATS
00:33:41UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT
00:33:44FREAKS THE PUBLIC OUT. >> AND SO THEY BETTER GET OUT AHEAD OF IT.
00:33:47AND WE SEE IT IN POLL AFTER POLL AFTER POLL.
00:33:50I CAN'T THINK OF AN ISSUE IN
00:33:52RECENT YEARS WHERE YOU SAW THAT
00:33:56RAPID MOVEMENT. AND BY PARTIZAN AND BIPARTISAN,
00:33:58I MEAN, YOU GUYS, I DO WANT TO REALLY QUICKLY PLAY THIS THIS
00:34:02SOME OF THE SOUND FOR YOU FROM AN EVENT THAT BROUGHT BERNIE
00:34:06SANDERS AND STEVE BANNON.
00:34:08>> BERNIE AND BANNON TOGETHER.
00:34:11TAKE A LISTEN.
00:34:13>> WHEN YOU ARE RACING TOWARDS A
00:34:15CLIFF, YOU YOU DON'T JUST EASE
00:34:19UP ON THE GAS PEDAL.
00:34:22>> YOU HIT THE BRAKES WHEN THE
00:34:26FUTURE OF HUMANITY IS AT STAKE,
00:34:28WE NEED BINDING INTERNATIONAL
00:34:30OIL SAFETY RULES, NOT VOLUNTARY STANDARDS FROM THE INDUSTRY.
00:34:35I THINK SENATOR SANDERS DID A VERY GOOD JOB, A SUMMARIZING THE
00:34:40RISK OBVIOUSLY HERE, AND HE AND I HAVE A QUITE DIFFERENT OPINION
00:34:43OF THE PRESIDENT'S. BUT WE'RE TRYING TO RAISE ABOVE
00:34:46PARTIZANSHIP THE COMMON SENSE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE
00:34:50ALWAYS MADE THE RIGHT DECISION
00:34:52THE REVOLUTION, THE CIVIL WAR, THE GREAT DEPRESSION, WORLD WAR TWO.
00:34:56THIS IS THE GREAT FOURTH TURNING.
00:34:57AND THIS IS THE ISSUE BEFORE US. AND THEY WANT YOU TO BE DUMB
00:35:01ABOUT IT. THEY WANT YOU TO BE AFRAID OF IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE AFRAID.
00:35:05WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ON. >> WELL, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF
00:35:08THESE STRANGE BEDFELLOWS. >> NO, IT MAKES SENSE.
00:35:12AND I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH WHAT BANNON SAID. THERE'S YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO
00:35:15THROUGH AN A PERIOD OF MASS ECONOMIC TRANSFORMATION, LIKE
00:35:19WHEN WE WENT FROM THE AGRARIAN TO THE INDUSTRIAL ERA. RIGHT.
00:35:24WE WE SEE. BUT ANY TIME WE GO THROUGH THAT,
00:35:26IT CREATES THESE THESE PARALLEL
00:35:28POPULIST MOVEMENTS.
00:35:31AND I IS CREATING THAT RIGHT NOW.
00:35:33POPULISM ON THE LEFT, POPULISM
00:35:36ON THE RIGHT, AND THE REASON YOU SEE SUCH I THINK, SOLID
00:35:41BIPARTISAN SUPPORT AMONGST THE VOTING PUBLIC IS BECAUSE THEY
00:35:44DON'T REALLY SEE THE UPSIDE OF
00:35:46AIR YET IN THEIR DAILY LIVES. MOST PEOPLE KIND OF USE IT AS
00:35:50JUST A GLORIFIED GOOGLE SEARCH ENGINE, BUT THEY ARE HEARING AND
00:35:54SEEING AND FEELING ALL OF THE DOWNSIDE. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE DOOMSDAY
00:35:58STUFF. IT'S ECONOMIC DISPLACEMENT.
00:36:00PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AI TAKING PEOPLE'S JOBS, IT'S PRIVACY
00:36:04ISSUES, IT'S HEALTH CARE, INSURANCE COMPANIES LETTING A.I.
00:36:09DECIDE YOUR CLAIM.
00:36:11IT'S COMPANIES LETTING A AI SCREEN YOUR RESUME.
00:36:14WE'RE TAKING HUMANS OF THE EQUATION, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT.
00:36:17SO WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS FOR ACCELERATING AND
00:36:20FOR KEEPING PACE?
00:36:22>> IS CHINA AND BEATING CHINA
00:36:26THIS THIS, THIS NEW NEW SPACE RACE?
00:36:28I TALKED TO SENATOR TED CRUZ ABOUT THIS RECENTLY.
00:36:31TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT HE TOLD ME. I THINK NEEDS TO BE GOVERNMENT
00:36:35REGULATION THERE. >> THERE NEEDS TO BE GUARDRAILS
00:36:37THAT THAT PREVENT THOSE KIND OF
00:36:39RISKS OR GUARDRAILS. >> ENOUGH, THOUGH. I MEAN, THERE ARE THERE ARE
00:36:43THERE'S A BIPARTISAN COHORT OF VOICES RIGHT NOW.
00:36:47REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SAYING, WHOA, WE NEED TO PAUSE.
00:36:50>> SWEENEY TO REALLY SLOW THIS
00:36:53THING DOWN. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM. >> WE CAN'T THAT IS AN
00:36:56IMPOSSIBLE ENDEAVOR BECAUSE. YOU KNOW WHO'S NOT PARSING CHINA?
00:37:00THEY ARE NOT GOING TO STOP. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE U.S. IS
00:37:04GOING TO KILL US, IT SHOULD BE U.S., NOT CHINESE. >> LISTEN, I'VE ACTUALLY JOKED
00:37:08THAT THAT THAT IF AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT TONGUE IN CHEEK, BUT IT'S NOT ENTIRELY IF THEY'RE
00:37:12GOING TO BE KILLER ROBOTS, I'D RATHER THEY'D BE AMERICAN KILLER
00:37:16ROBOTS AND NOT CHINESE KILLER ROBOTS. >> AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS
00:37:20THE CHINESE ARE PUTTING NO GUARDRAILS. THEY'RE GOING FULL SPEED AHEAD.
00:37:23>> MOST TECH LEADERS ESTIMATE THE UNITED STATES IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD.
00:37:28>> WE'RE NOT A YEAR AHEAD. WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS AHEAD.
00:37:31>> WE COULD HAVE GOVERNMENT STEP
00:37:34IN AND JUST SHUT DOWN THE AI INDUSTRY IN AMERICA.
00:37:36>> YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? CHINA WOULD CATCH UP IN SIX
00:37:39MONTHS AND SAW AHEAD AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE TOOLS TO
00:37:43DEFEND OURSELVES. >> ASHLEY, WHAT KIND OF KILLER
00:37:45ROBOTS ARE YOU AFRAID? >> YOU NEITHER. AND I HOPE WE DON'T GET TO THAT
00:37:49POINT. BUT I, I HIS POINT IS AND I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'RE SIX
00:37:53MONTHS AHEAD ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD ALL OF THESE
00:37:56PAUSES ON EVEN OUR DATA CENTER. SO THAT'S NOT EVEN JUST A.I.
00:38:01THAT'S ALSO ALL OF OUR PHONES THAT WE DON'T HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW, BUT ALL OF OUR PHONES.
00:38:05SO.
00:38:05BUT I JUST THERE HAS TO BE
00:38:09SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND I
00:38:11DON'T I'M NOT CONVINCED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN GIVE
00:38:14GUARDRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO BE QUICK ENOUGH AND SO THE
00:38:18COMPANIES DO NEED TO STEP UP. I MEAN, WHEN COME ON, WE'VE ALL
00:38:20BEEN IN THIS TOWN LONG ENOUGH. HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL
00:38:23TAKE THEM TO PASS A REGULATION? >> YOU KNOW, THAT'S 100% RIGHT.
00:38:26I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN SOUNDING THE
00:38:29ALARM BELL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA FOR
00:38:32OVER A DECADE AND THEY CAN'T GET THERE THINKING AGAINST CHILDREN. RIGHT.
00:38:36SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S TOTALLY A FAIR POINT. THE PROBLEM IS IT HAS TO,
00:38:40BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN MORE THAN
00:38:42100 STATE LAWS PASSED AROUND THE COUNTRY ON AI.
00:38:46AND SO WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS PATCHWORK.
00:38:49AND WHEN THE STATE LAWS AREN'T IN SYNC, LIKE THAT'S JUST NO WAY
00:38:53TO GOVERN THIS LIKE GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY. LG THAT LIVES IN THE CLOUDS.
00:38:56SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO STEP IN. I'M MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE
00:39:01BULLISH THAN SOME ON THE IDEA OF
00:39:04THAT INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION
00:39:06MIGHT ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, CHINA FREAKED OUT
00:39:10RECENT LEE BECAUSE I WAS TRYING
00:39:13TO HACK INTO I THINK IT WAS WECHAT OR ONE OF THE STATES
00:39:17ACTUALLY. RIGHT. >> IS REGULATING AI IT'S NOT
00:39:21LETTING LETTING THEIR A.I. GO ROGUE. >> JOSH JOSH SHAPIRO ACTUALLY
00:39:24CAME OUT THIS KNOW GOVERNOR OF PENNSYLVANIA MOST LIKELY 2028
00:39:27CANDIDATE. HE CAME OUT WITH KIND OF HIS
00:39:31ROAD MAP GOING BACK TO THESE 2020 CANDIDATES.
00:39:34OH, YOU DID OKAY. THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE I READ IT, YOU KNOW, BUT JOSH IS A FRIEND.
00:39:38I LIKE HIM A LOT, THE GOVERNOR.
00:39:39BUT HE TALKED ABOUT THE CHINA
00:39:44COORDINATION AS WELL. AND YOU SEE WHAT THE PRESIDENT
00:39:47OF CHINA COMING NEXT WEEK LIKE. THEY'RE NOW STARTING TO PUT
00:39:51TOGETHER SIDE MEETINGS AROUND WHY DO WE HAVE TO COORDINATE
00:39:54WITH CHINA ON THIS? PROBABLY. I THINK IT'S TOO BIG OF AN ISSUE.
00:39:58YEAH. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MIDTERMS, BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY LOOMING OVER MIDTERM RACES.
00:40:02>> BUT THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL RIGHT NOW, IT'S HARD TO KEEP TRACK.
00:40:06THERE'S A NEW NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL OUT THIS WEEK THAT
00:40:09FOUND 51% OF VOTERS WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO VOTE FOR THE
00:40:12DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE COMPARED
00:40:1443% FOR THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE.
00:40:17ASHLEY, HOW TROUBLING ARE THESE NUMBERS? AND IS THERE A TIME FOR
00:40:21REPUBLICANS TO TURN THAT AROUND? >> WELL, 8% IS BETTER THAN LIKE
00:40:2414, WHICH I HEARD LAST WEEK. SO, NO, IT'S BAD.
00:40:27WE HAVE A BAD SITUATION RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT
00:40:32HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE DIVIDED GOVERNMENT. I'M A BIG FAN OF DIVIDED
00:40:34GOVERNMENT, SO AND THE ONE PARTY
00:40:38OWNS EVERYTHING REPUBLICANS, EVERYTHING.
00:40:40AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME OUT THIS ELECTION BECAUSE
00:40:44THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.
00:40:46THAT IF WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE VOTING FOR THE CANDIDATE THEY WANT.
00:40:50AND SO THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY
00:40:52MIND SITTING RIGHT HERE, IT'S GOING TO I DON'T THINK WE LOSE
00:40:55THE HOUSE BY THESE 25 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.
00:40:58BUT I DO THINK WE LOSE THE HOUSE TEN AND UNDER.
00:41:01WHAT ABOUT THE SENATE? I'M NOT THERE YET BECAUSE I AM
00:41:04STILL PRETTY BULLISH ON NEW HAMPSHIRE AND MICHIGAN.
00:41:08BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A SITUATION WHERE
00:41:10NORTH CAROLINA'S NOW GOING TO BE
00:41:13BLUE, POTENTIALLY. AND THEN YOU HAVE DEMOCRAT
00:41:18STATES. LIKE MICHIGAN OR NEW HAMPSHIRE, THAT WILL BE RED AND THEN ALASKA MAY BE BLUE.
00:41:21AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE
00:41:23OTHER STATES, IOWA, KANSAS, NORTH TEXAS, IOWA.
00:41:27>> I'M NOT THERE YET. A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL GET THERE. BUT ARE DEMOCRATS FEELING A WAVE
00:41:31COMING ON WAVES A LITTLE STRONG?
00:41:33>> BUT I DO THINK THEY FEEL THE
00:41:35WIND AT OUR BACKS AND THAT WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION.
00:41:38I THINK MOST PEOPLE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THE HOUSE I'M WITH YOU.
00:41:42I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A 4050 SEAT.
00:41:44>> REDISTRICTING HAS REALLY LIFTED THE NUMBERS.
00:41:48>> THE STATE CAN YEAH YEAH YEAH AND THE SENATE I I'M HEARING
00:41:51MORE PEOPLE FEELING BULLISH ABOUT THE SENATE THOUGH NOT
00:41:55OVERLY OPTIMIST RIGHT BUT I WILL
00:41:57SAY EVERY TIME THE PRESIDENT GOES OUT THERE AND SAYS PRETEND
00:42:01I'M ON THE BALLOT, ANOTHER DEMOCRAT WANTS TO CUT A CAMPAIGN
00:42:05AD FEATURING HIM SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, SO MANY
00:42:09PEOPLE I MEAN, THIS IS A PRESIDENT WHO HAS HISTORIC LOW
00:42:12APPROVAL NUMBERS ON INFLATION.
00:42:14>> HIS APPROVAL RATING ON
00:42:16INFLATION IS LOWER THAN JIMMY CARTER'S WAS.
00:42:20SO LET LET HIM GO OUT THERE AND MAKE IT ABOUT HIMSELF.
00:42:23THAT ONLY HELPS DEMOCRATS IN A LOT OF THIS.
00:42:26THOSE STATES YOU JUST MENTIONED. BUT I ALSO, AS WE WERE TALKING
00:42:29BEFORE WE STARTED HERE, THE POLLING IS SO OFF ON TRUMP IN
00:42:33GENERAL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN LIKE
00:42:35THE QUESTION, THE REASON HE'S
00:42:38WON IN THE PAST, AT LEAST WHEN HE'S ON THE BALLOT, IS BECAUSE
00:42:42ALL OF THESE VOTERS COME OUT THAT SUPPORT HIM, THAT DON'T POLL.
00:42:44>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WILL HELP OR NOT, BECAUSE I DON'T
00:42:48KNOW THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MATTER THIS TIME, BECAUSE HE'S NOT RIGHT.
00:42:52IN 2016, WE DIDN'T LOSE. WE GAINED IN THE SENATE AND LOST THE HOUSE. >> BUT THERE'S THERE'S ANOTHER
00:42:57PART OF THE SCENE, A NEW YORK TIMES SIENA POLL THAT FOUND THAT
00:43:0049% OF LIKELY VOTERS ALSO PREFER A CANDIDATE THAT WANTS TO
00:43:02PROVIDE A CHECK ON TRUMP. AND IN THE WAKE OF THAT, WE'RE
00:43:05SEEING ADS LIKE THIS ONE. THAT'S THE PRESIDENT.
00:43:09>> SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE GRATION ENFORCEMENT HAVE GONE TOO FAR.
00:43:12IN JULY, 50% OF THE 50,000
00:43:14PEOPLE THAT WERE DETAINED HAD NO CRIMINAL RECORD.
00:43:16BE CAREFUL WHAT YOUR ADVISORS ARE TELLING YOU ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY BECAUSE SAME
00:43:20WHO HELP YOU GET TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2024.
00:43:23FEEL BE IT TODAY YOU CAN BE FOR IMMIGRATION. WHAT LINCOLN WAS FOR SLAVERY AND
00:43:27REAGAN WAS FOR COMMUNISM. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING THEM AMNESTY.
00:43:30I'M TALKING ABOUT GIVING THEM A DIGNIFIED LIFE IN THIS PROMISED LAND.
00:43:35>> I AM MARIA ELVIRA SALAZAR AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE.
00:43:37>> THIS IS A REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, A REPUBLICAN
00:43:41REPRESENTATIVE IN FLORIDA, IN A DISTRICT, ASHLEIGH, THAT THAT
00:43:45SHOULD BE SAFE. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF WHAT SHE'S DOING HERE?
00:43:48SHE'S BEEN DOING THIS, I WOULD SAY, THE LAST YEAR, NOT THIS
00:43:52MUCH, BUT SHE I THINK I MEAN,
00:43:54LISTEN, HER CONSTITUENCY HAS SO
00:43:56MANY CUBANS CUBAN AMERICANS THAT
00:43:59THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY IS IMPACTFUL FOR THEM.
00:44:02>> AND SO IF WE'RE THEY DID GO TO TRUMP IN 24.
00:44:06YES. AND SO I THINK THIS IS I THINK
00:44:10SHE'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY HEARING EVERY DAY WHEN SHE COMES HOME THAT THESE PEOPLE THAT HER
00:44:14CONSTITUENTS ARE SCARED. THEY'RE SCARED ABOUT HAVING TO LEAVE.
00:44:17AND AND I THINK IT RESONATES WITH HER. AND SHE THIS IS WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN MORE.
00:44:22AND MORE AND MORE AFTER THE ELECTION, AS YOU SEE,
00:44:24REPUBLICANS NOT ABOUT ADS, BUT
00:44:26SPLITTING, BEING WILLING TO TALK AGAINST VICE PRESIDENT J.D.
00:44:30VANCE WENT ON A PODCAST THIS
00:44:32WEEK AND JUST JUST LISTEN TO IT AND WE'LL TALK ON THE OTHER
00:44:36SIDE. >> THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD THAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS. >> WE CUT TAXES BIGLY.
00:44:40>> WE CUT TAXES ON OVERTIME, SOCIAL SECURITY AND TIPS ARE TAX
00:44:44CUTS FOR MIDDLE AMERICAN
00:44:46WORKERS, NOT JUST FOR THE ELITES
00:44:48IN WASHINGTON AND NEW YORK CITY.
00:44:50>> WE'VE HAD AN AMAZING SUCCESS
00:44:53WITH THE BORDER WITH IMMIGRATION. >> WE'VE PURSUED H-1B REFORM
00:44:56THAT PRIORITIZES AMERICAN WORKERS OVER FOREIGN NATIONALS.
00:44:59>> THERE'S A OF GOOD THAT'S BEEN DONE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF WORK LEFT TO DO.
00:45:03DON'T GIVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE WHO CAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT
00:45:07WE'RE FIXING. GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE OR GIVE US ANOTHER COUPLE OF YEARS TO
00:45:11CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE AMAZING THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE PAST TWO YEARS.
00:45:14>> SOME SOME, OH, MY FEET HAS BEEN FULL OF DEMOCRATS PICKING UP ON THAT.
00:45:18>> GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE. PART OF THAT THAT INTERVIEW OR A
00:45:23COUPLE MORE YEARS OF WHAT ARE YOU GUYS MAKE OF WHAT THE VICE
00:45:26PRESIDENT'S DOING THERE?
00:45:28>> ONE THING I DIDN'T HEAR IN HIS TICK LIST WAS COST OF
00:45:32LIVING. RIGHT. AND THAT'S STILL IS WHAT
00:45:36RESONATES THE MOST WITH VOTERS.
00:45:38PEOPLE WHO THINK THINGS ARE
00:45:40WORSE TODAY THAN THEY WERE TWO
00:45:42YEARS AGO, TELLING THEM, LOOK
00:45:45HOW AMAZING WE HAVE BEEN AND
00:45:47GIVE US DEMOCRATS HAVE MADE THAT MISTAKE. WE HAVE.
00:45:50AND THEY CLEARLY DIDN'T AND THEY CAPITALIZED ON IT TWO YEARS AGO
00:45:53AND THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED THE LESSON FROM IT.
00:45:56ACTUALLY GIVE US ANOTHER CHANCE. >> GIVE US. YEAH. >> NO, THAT'S TOUGH. TOUGH.
00:46:00BUT I THINK I ACTUALLY THINK
00:46:02HOUSE AND SENATE MEMBERS DO UNDERSTAND.
00:46:06I THINK IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY TALKING
00:46:09ABOUT THE AFFORDABILITY ISSUE AT ALL.
00:46:11AND IF YOU SEE SPEAKER JOHNSON, I MEAN, HE'S JUST BEGGING FOR US
00:46:17TO TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE ISSUES. BUT ALSO THE THING THAT I THINK IS VERY INTERESTING I HEARD
00:46:20TODAY IS THAT JD IS GOING TO THE
00:46:21VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO IOWA
00:46:25AND ASHLEY HINSON IS IN CAMPAIGNING WITH THEM SO THAT
00:46:29THAT TELLS ME SOMETHING TO ANOTHER REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE THERE.
00:46:33AND SO THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO ME.
00:46:35>> THERE'S ALSO BEEN REPORTING THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING
00:46:37GROWING FRUSTRATED, TO YOUR POINT, WITH THE WHITE HOUSE'S ECONOMIC STRATEGY.
00:46:41THE HILL WRITES, REPUBLICANS ARE CLASHING OVER HOW TO IMPROVE THEIR WEAK POLLING NUMBERS ON
00:46:45THE ECONOMY. LISTEN TO MONTHS BEFORE ELECTION DAY.
00:46:47FEARING THAT VOTER ANGER OVER HIGH COSTS COULD SINK GOP
00:46:51CANDIDATES IN NOVEMBER, THE BOLDEST PROPOSAL THE PRESIDENT'S
00:46:54PLEDGE TO GIVE EVERY US $5,000 IF REPUBLICANS WIN THE MIDTERM
00:46:59ELECTION HAS DRAWN ALREADY STRONG PUSHBACK FROM REPUBLICANS
00:47:01ACROSS THE POLITICAL FIVE.
00:47:05KAINE CASH IS THAT GOING TO WIN REPUBLICANS IN MIDTERMS? ACTUALLY, NO.
00:47:08>> BUT I THINK THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS SINCE HE ANNOUNCED. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
00:47:12IT'S THAT NOT ALL OF US THAT ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY AND
00:47:14UNDERSTAND THAT COMPLEXITIES OF GETTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT
00:47:18PASSED THE EVERYDAY AMERICAN HEARD I MAY GET $5,000 AND
00:47:22THAT'S WHAT TRUMP WAS DOING. I MEAN WE KNOW HE'S THE
00:47:24BRILLIANT MESSENGER. WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE MESSAGING OR NOT, DOESN'T MATTER.
00:47:28BUT HE KNOWS MY BROTHER SAID TO ME HE DOESN'T PAY ONE BIT OF
00:47:32ATTENTION TO POLITICS. I'LL GET FOUR. I'LL GO VOTE FOR THESE PEOPLE. AND HE'S A DEMOCRAT.
00:47:36>> NO, I I'M I'M HEARING THE
00:47:39OPPOSITE FROM VOTERS OUT THERE. WHEN I LOOK AT FOCUS GROUPS AND
00:47:42SEE THE RESEARCH, IT WE I'M
00:47:45SEEING PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A GIMMICK.
00:47:49THEY THEY DON'T MEAN IT AND BY THE WAY, THAT FIVE K I'VE
00:47:52ALREADY SPENT ON HIGHER GAS
00:47:54PRICES AND HIGHER GROCERY
00:47:58PRICES. SO UNLESS YOU END YOUR WAR IN
00:48:00IRAN AND UNLESS YOU END THIS
00:48:04FOLLY WITH TARIFFS AND THE TRADE WAR WITH CANADA IN ORDER TO
00:48:07BRING THE PRICES DOWN, THIS IS JUST A GIMMICK.
00:48:09AND I VOTERS ARE SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO SEE THAT.
00:48:13>> LET'S TALK ABOUT MAINE FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE THE INCUMBENT
00:48:17REPUBLICAN, SUSAN COLLINS, JUST PICKED UP A PRETTY NOTABLE
00:48:19ENDORSEMENT FROM WEST VIRGINIA
00:48:21SENATOR JOE MANCHIN, A DEMOCRAT TURNED INDEPENDENT. TAKE A LISTEN.
00:48:25>> SUSAN COLLINS OF THE SENATE.
00:48:28>> YOU'RE LOSING THE SOUL OF THE SENATE. >> BASICALLY A PERSON YOU CAN
00:48:31TALK TO WHO WANTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING ALL THE TIME. OKAY.
00:48:34NOW, EVERYBODY SAYS SHE DOESN'T DO THIS. >> SPEAK UP, SUSAN ANNE IS
00:48:38ALWAYS IN THERE, ALWAYS IN THE TRENCHES. AND WHEN YOU NEED SOMEONE TO
00:48:41WORK WITH, I CALL SUSAN. I CALLED LISA. I GOT MARK WARNER.
00:48:43I GOT DIFFERENT PEOPLE I CAN SIT DOWN WITH ALL THE TIME AND TALK TO YOU. AND THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I
00:48:48ALWAYS DID. AND I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP.
00:48:51>> SO HOW MUCH IMPACT COULD THE FORMER SENATOR'S ENDORSEMENT
00:48:54HAVE HERE? MO, ARE YOU WORRIED? >> SLIM TO NONE. I THINK I'M WORRIED ABOUT MAINE,
00:48:58BUT NOT BECAUSE OF JOE MANCHIN. RIGHT. LIKE SUSAN COLLINS IS A TOUGH
00:49:02CANDIDATE AND DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO THEMSELVES FAVOR WITH ALL OF
00:49:06THE MESSINESS WITH THE PRIMARY. HAVING SAID THAT, IT'S STILL A
00:49:09VERY COMPETITIVE RACE. THIS IS A CHANGE ELECTION.
00:49:13FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO HAVE JOE
00:49:16MANCHIN WEIGH IN.
00:49:18I'M NOT SURE READS THE ROOM RIGHT AND PEOPLE AREN'T
00:49:22LISTENING TO THE FORMER. YOU KNOW, SENATOR FROM WEST
00:49:26VIRGINIA. AND I HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR HIM.
00:49:28BUT THEY NEED AND WANT SOMETHING
00:49:31FRESH AND DIFFERENT. THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO IS GOING
00:49:34TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP. WE SEE THIS IN POLL AFTER POLL
00:49:37IN STATE AFTER STATE. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THIS.
00:49:41SUSAN COLLINS MAY VERY WELL WIN THAT RACE, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO
00:49:45BE BECAUSE OF MESSAGES LIKE THAT.
00:49:49>> ASHLEY. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT SUSAN
00:49:51COLLINS WILL OR NOT BASED ON SUSAN COLLINS.
00:49:53AND SHE TRIES VERY HARD, AS WE ALL KNOW, TO TAKE CARE OF HER.
00:49:57I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS I FEEL ABOUT CELEBRITIES.
00:50:00NO ONE'S GOING TO THE POLL AND
00:50:01VOTING BECAUSE KATY PERRY ENDORSED ME. RIGHT. RIGHT.
00:50:05I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T IT DOESN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE. THEY WANT TO KNOW, HAS THIS
00:50:08PERSON TAKEN CARE OF ME OR AM I
00:50:12TIRED OF THE SAME OLD VOTER, WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? >> ALL RIGHT.
00:50:14LET'S GO SOUTH TO TEXAS WHERE
00:50:18THERE'S A PRETTY BIG MONEY FLIP HERE.
00:50:21THE NEW YORK TIMES WRITES A LOT OF OUTSIDE MONEY SUDDENLY ARRIVED OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS
00:50:25TO HELP MR. PAXTON. THIS GIVE MR. PAXTON AND REPUBLICAN ALLIES A 5 TO 1
00:50:28SPENDING ADVANTAGE OVER MR.
00:50:30TALARICO AND DEMOCRATIC ALLIES, ACCORDING TO AD IMPACT.
00:50:33FOR MONTHS, THE SIDE HAD POSSESSED A CLEAR SPENDING
00:50:38ADVANTAGE, TOO. TWO THINGS AT PLAY HERE.
00:50:40ONE, HOW BIG A DEAL IS THE MONEY
00:50:43IN HELPING PAXTON TO WHAT IS
00:50:45THIS BIG FLOOD OF MONEY SAY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN TEXAS?
00:50:50>> I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE $200 MILLION AT LEAST SPENT BY
00:50:55ELLEN ALONE. AND ISN'T THAT CRAZY? NO, IT BOTHERS ME. NOT ABOUT THIS RACE.
00:50:59I'M LIKE, WE COULD SOLVE SO MANY WORLD HUNGER PROBLEMS WITH THE
00:51:02AMOUNT OF MONEY.
00:51:03I MEAN, WHY WHY DO REPUBLICAN NEED TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TEXAS?
00:51:07WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE A REALLY BAD CANDIDATE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD
00:51:11BE IN THE SAME SITUATION IF WE HAD CORNYN.
00:51:14SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE FACTS.
00:51:17BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S GOING THERE'S NOT.
00:51:21IT'S A MONEY GAME AT THIS POINT. AND REALLY, IT HAS TO BE A GET
00:51:24OUT THE VOTE ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS WHAT OBVIOUSLY ELLEN'S
00:51:28CONCENTRATING ON. BUT I DON'T THINK MONEY WE HAVE $1,000,000,000 TO SPEND ON THE
00:51:33REPUBLICAN BETWEEN ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT BETWEEN MAGA INC, THE
00:51:37RNC SELL OFF KNOW SENATE
00:51:40LEADERSHIP FUND AND ELLEN.
00:51:42>> WELL ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE FLOOD OF CASH? >> SURE.
00:51:46BUT ONE THING WE'VE SEEN IN
00:51:49RECENT CYCLES IS THAT MONEY IS
00:51:51NOT THE END ALL BE ALL THAT IT ONCE WAS. RIGHT.
00:51:55LIKE YOU WANT IT. YOU WANT TO HAVE IT.
00:51:57BUT WE'VE SEEN PLENTY OF CASES
00:51:59WHERE THE UNDERFUNDED CANDIDATE
00:52:01GOES ON TO WIN BECAUSE OF JUST THE THE ENVIRONMENT.
00:52:07LOOK, THESE ARE TWO VERY, VERY DIFFERENT.
00:52:11PAXON IS HISTORIC. CARLY BAD, RIGHT? HE'S NOT JUST A BAD CANDIDATE.
00:52:15HIS HISTORICALLY BAD.
00:52:17AND THAT'S WHY DEMOCRATS ARE IN THIS RACE.
00:52:20AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT ONE, RIGHT? THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR
00:52:26GOVERNOR IS NECK AND NECK WITH THE INCUMBENT. YEAH. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF
00:52:29THIS POLLING HERE. A TIGHT RACE IN THE SENATE RACE,
00:52:33BUT A RECOUNT IN TEXAS POLL OUT
00:52:35THURSDAY SHOWS TALARICO WITH A
00:52:37SIX POINT ADVANTAGE AND THEN
00:52:39THAT SAME POLL SHOWS DEMOCRATIC STATE REPRESENTATIVE JEAN JOSEPH
00:52:43LEADING REPUBLICAN INCUMBENT GOVERNOR GREG ABBOTT BY FOUR POINTS.
00:52:48I MEAN, WHO KNOWS.
00:52:51POLLING HAS BEEN QUESTIONABLE RIGHT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
00:52:55BUT JUST THE FACT THAT WE'RE SEEING THESE NUMBERS, THE FACT
00:52:58THAT WE'RE TALKING A ARE BEING H
00:53:01SIDES IN TEXAS, OF ALL PLACES, TELLS THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THIS
00:53:05IS REAL. >> AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE. AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT
00:53:09THE MONEY GOING IN ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE IS GOING TO BE
00:53:11ABOUT TURNOUT, WHICH IS THERE AT LEAST THERE.
00:53:15BUT THE ONE THING I THINK HISTORY HAS SHOWN US OVER THE PAST DECADE IS THAT DONALD
00:53:20TRUMP'S POPULARITY IS NOT NECESSARY, EERILY TRANSFERABLE
00:53:24WHEN HE'S NOT ON THE BALLOT. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY DOWN
00:53:28BALLOT. HIS UNPOPULARITY ABSOLUTELY IS
00:53:32TRANSFERABLE. AND THAT HELPS TALARICO. AND IT HURT PAXTON REALLY
00:53:35QUICKLY BEFORE I LET YOU GUYS
00:53:37GO, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT 2028 A LITTLE BIT.
00:53:40>> AND GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM DID THIS INTERVIEW WHILE FLY WITH
00:53:44CNN'S JAKE TAPPER AND IN IT, HE MADE SOME NEWS BECAUSE HE SAID
00:53:47THAT HE WOULDN'T RUN IN 28 IF KAMALA HARRIS DECIDED TO RUN.
00:53:51MO, WHAT WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
00:53:55FLY FISHING AND THE HARRIS OF IT ALL?
00:53:57>> I MEAN, ON THE HARRIS THING,
00:53:59HOW MANY TIMES WE HEARD CANDIDATES SAY, NO, I'M NOT RUNNING AND THEN THEY END UP
00:54:03RUNNING, RIGHT. WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE WHAT HE DOES. AND HE DOES.
00:54:07>> DO YOU THINK THAT WAS LIKE AN OPERA TO GAVIN? THE OPERATIVE MOVE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE?
00:54:11>> AND MAYBE HE MEANS IT NOW, BUT ONE THING ABOUT KAMALA
00:54:13HARRIS THAT SHE'S MADE VERY CLEAR IS THAT SHE'S IN NO RUSH
00:54:17AND SHE DOESN'T NEED TO BE BECAUSE SHE'S GOT AN
00:54:21ORGANIZATION, SHE'S GOT NAME I.D. EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING TO BE ITCHING TO GO.
00:54:25THERE MAY COME A TIME WHEN SHE HASN'T MADE UP HER MIND OR
00:54:27HASN'T ANNOUNCED A DECISION THAT HE'S GOT TO DECIDE. GO. NO, GO.
00:54:31AND HE DECIDES TO GO. WE'LL SEE. WHEN IT COMES TO RUNNING FOR
00:54:35PRESIDENT, YOU NEVER RULE OUT WHAT PEOPLE MAY OR MAY NOT DO.
00:54:39I THINK THE FLY FISHING WAS
00:54:41SMART, LIKE IT KEY VERSION OF GM
00:54:45THAN WE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ON MY FEET.
00:54:48>> THE TECHNIQUE, WHICH I'M NOT QUALIFIED I'M NOT QUALIFIED. >> NEITHER AM I.
00:54:52BUT LIKE, JUST IT WAS ONE OF THE
00:54:55MORE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, HUMAN
00:54:57THE KNOW. WELL, NOT EVEN JUST CALM
00:55:01CONVERSATIONS I'VE SEEN HIM ENGAGED IN AND HE COULD PROBABLY
00:55:03STAND TO HAVE SOME OF THAT AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF THE
00:55:07IN-YOUR-FACE GAVIN NEWSOM WE'RE USED TO SEEING ACTUALLY WHAT REPUBLICAN THE LAST TWO YEARS.
00:55:10>> HE'S THE TRUMP FIGHTER. WELL, I MEAN, WHAT ARE REPUBLICANS THINKING AS THEY
00:55:14WATCH GAVIN NEWSOM?
00:55:16>> KAMALA HARRIS? >> I THINK THE I DON'T THINK
00:55:20THOSE TWO ARE ON THE RADAR. SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES.
00:55:24I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE ON THE RADAR, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD
00:55:27TO RUN FROM CALIFORNIA AND GAVIN NEWSOM, BEING A FORMER GOVERNOR
00:55:31LIKE I FROM A CAMPAIGN PERSPECTIVE, WOULD LOVE TO RUN
00:55:34AGAINST SOME OF HIS THINGS THAT HE DID IN CALIFORNIA.
00:55:38BUT I THINK THERE'S MANY OTHER CANDIDATES FOR ME AND I'LL SAY THIS AND NO ONE BELIEVES ME.
00:55:41MY SCARIEST CANDIDATE IS AOC
00:55:43BECAUSE SHE WILL BRING OUT PEOPLE LOW.
00:55:47>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? >> I'VE HEARD REPUBLICANS SAY
00:55:51THAT. I'VE HEARD REPUBLICANS SAY THERE'S NO ONE THEY'D RATHER RUN AGAIN. NO, I FEAR TWO.
00:55:55>> AND I'M RIGHT. SHE BRINGS EXCITEMENT. WE DON'T KNOW. >> WE DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO
00:55:58BE GOOD AND WHO'S NOT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY START SEEING THEM CAMPAIGN.
00:56:01REMEMBER, AT THIS POINT, FOUR YEARS AGO, RON DESANTIS WAS ON
00:56:05THE COVER OF EVERY MAGAZINE. I REMEMBER WHEN MARK WARNER WAS
00:56:07ON THE COVER OF EVERY MAGAZINE BACK IN 2006 UNTIL BARACK OBAMA
00:56:10GOT IN. YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THESE REMEMBER HIM.
00:56:14>> NIKKI JUST CAN'T STEP. KEPT NICKING.
00:56:29AWAY AND EVERYBODY UNTIL SHE WAS. >> I STOP MAKING PREDICTIONS ON THIS STUFF. >> WELL, I CAN JUST SAY AS A POLITICAL REPORTER, I AM
00:56:33CHAMPING AT THE BIT HERE. >> ALL RIGHT. THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE HAVE OF REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST ASHLEY DAVIS AND DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST MO ELLEITHEE.
00:56:37THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> AND LET'S CLOSE THIS WEEK'S PROGRAM WITH OUR CEASE FIRE MOMENT OF THE WEEK, HIGHLIGHTING
00:56:40WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN POLITICIANS COME TOGETHER AS AMERICANS NOT JUST PARTIZANS. FORMER ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN
00:56:43CONGRESSMAN RAY LAHOOD AND CURRENT ILLINOIS DEMOCRATIC
00:56:47CONGRESSWOMAN NICKY --. SINCE SAT DOWN TO DISCUSS
00:56:50BIPARTISAN COOPERATION AND HELP BUILDING RELATIONSHIP ACROSS THE
00:56:53AISLE CAN HELP GET THINGS DONE. HERE'S SOME OF WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY.
00:56:57THEY HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL IN WASHINGTON. I THINK ABOUT FINDING THE
00:57:01OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU CAN BREAK BREAD TOGETHER. >> BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, IN
00:57:05ADDITION TO WHAT THE SECRETARY MENTIONED, IS WE DON'T SPEND AS
00:57:09MUCH TIME IN WASHINGTON AS I WE
00:57:10ONCE DID, BUT IT IS STILL VERY MUCH IN MY BELIEF.
00:57:14IT IS A RELATION SHIP BUSINESS.
00:57:16AND I THINK BIPARTISANSHIP IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T JUST
00:57:20USE IT AS A SLOGAN. YOU HAVE TO REALLY BE INTENTIONAL AND WORK OUT.
00:57:23AND I TRY TO DO THAT. I TRY TO FIND THE PLACES WHERE
00:57:26WE CAN BREAK BREAD TOGETHER, STILL TOGETHER.
00:57:29>> CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING? >> WHEN I SERVED IN CONGRESS,
00:57:32RAHM WAS SERVING IN CONGRESS FROM CHICAGO.
00:57:35>> I'M FROM PEORIA, CENTRAL, ILLINOIS, AND HE AND I
00:57:41INTENTIONALLY PICKING UP ON WHAT
00:57:42NICKY SAID ONCE A QUARTER FOR
00:57:45TIMES A YEAR, HE WOULD INVITE SEVEN OR EIGHT DEMOCRATS.
00:57:48I WOULD INVITE SEVEN OR EIGHT REPUBLICANS. WE'D GO TO A RESTAURANT CALLED
00:57:52THE MONOCLE. ON THE SENATE SIDE ON CAPITOL
00:57:54HILL, AND WE'D HAVE DINNER.
00:57:56THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WERE BUILT
00:57:59AND CONTINUE EVEN BEYOND
00:58:01CONGRESS IN INTENTIONALLY TRYING
00:58:03TO REACH OUT TO PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO
00:58:07WE SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS.
00:58:09>> FOR BOTH LAHOOD AND WOODS SKI, THE MESSAGE WAS PRETTY SIMPLE.
00:58:13MY PARTIZANSHIP DOESN'T JUST HAPPEN.
00:58:16IT TAKES INTENTION AND EFFORT AND SOMETIMES IT STARTS WITH
00:58:20DINNER AT THE SAME TABLE. THAT'S ALL THE TIME WE HAVE FOR THIS EPISODE.
00:58:23CEASE FIRE IS ALSO AVAILABLE AS A PODCAST FIND US IN ALL THE
00:58:27USUAL PLACES. I'M DASHA BURNS.
00:58:29AND REMEMBER WHETHER OR NOT YOU AGREE.
00:58:31KEEP TALKING AND KEEP LISTENING.
00:58:47>> YOU'RE WATCHING C-SPAN.
00:58:49DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED.
00:58:55C-SPAN BRINGS YOU DEMOCRACY UNFILTERED IN REAL TIME.
00:58:59DEMOCRACY DOESN'T TAKE SIDES. NEITHER DOES C-SPAN.
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00:59:11AS LAWS ARE DEBATED AND DECIDED LIVE PROCEEDINGS FROM THE UNITED
00:59:15STATES SUPREME COURT. PRESIDENTIAL SPEECHES.
00:59:18BRIEFINGS IN HISTORIC MOMENTS AS THEY HAPPEN.
00:59:21NO COMMENTARY, SPIN. NO AGENDA.
00:59:25JUST THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS PRESENTED IN FULL WITHOUT
00:59:28INTERRUPTION. SO YOU CAN WATCH THE DEBATES,
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00:59:54>> THIS AFTERNOON, NEBRASKA REPUBLICAN SENATOR PETE RICKETTS
00:59:57ATTENDS HIS STATE'S ANNUAL STEAK FRY TO FUNDRAISE FOR HIS MIDTERM
01:00:01REELECTION CAMPAIGN. THIS YEAR'S EVENT FEATURES REPUBLICAN SENATOR JOHN KENNEDY
01:00:05FROM LOUISIANA, FROM WEEPING WATER, NEBRASKA.
01:00:08WATCH IT LIVE AT 1 P.M. EASTERN ON C-SPAN ONLINE AT C-SPAN,
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01:00:20TONIGHT ON C-SPAN Q&A. NBC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON AND
01:00:23FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT ANDREA MITCHELL TALKS WITH OUR
01:00:27HOST PETER CELENTE ABOUT SOME OF THE BIGGEST WORRIES AND MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE.
01:00:31SHE'S COVERED DURING HER NEARLY 50 YEARS WITH A NETWORK.
01:00:34>> I CALLED THE CONTROL ROOM TO TALK TO TOM BROKAW, WAS STANDING
01:00:37BY, READY TO GO LIVE, AND HE SAID, WHO'S YOUR SOURCE?
01:00:43AND I TOLD HIM, BECAUSE WE HAD A
01:00:46TWO SOURCE RULE FOR SURE. AND THIS WAS A SINGLE SOURCE.
01:00:50BUT THAT WAS SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY WAS IN THE DECISION.
01:00:55AND TOM SAID, SUIT UP, KI