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00:00:00committee, which is ready to help with finding a lawyer
00:00:03and write a legal
00:00:05opinion, and if something needs to be picked up in
00:00:08the country, to somehow help provide, provide support, and
00:00:12there are several such NGOs, like ours, and we always
00:00:16tell people to please contact us, we will try to
00:00:19help you. Yes, thank you very much for your
00:00:21clarification. Margarita Kuchusheva, a lawyer for the Anti-War Committee of Russia's Consul
00:00:25project, was on air with the program "A Person Has the
00:00:28Right."
00:00:33Spoke with an acquaintance via video call, used the wrong
00:00:36emoji in the building chat, quarreled with a neighbor
00:00:39because of a tip-off, all this in Russia can now become a reason
00:00:43for a denunciation, your words and seemingly
00:00:46harmless actions can lead to a fine or even
00:00:49imprisonment. The so-called epidemic of denunciations in
00:00:53Russia, which broke out after the start of the war with Ukraine, is attracting
00:00:57attention not only from human rights activists. The FSB
00:01:00notes that the number of calls to their hotline is steadily
00:01:03growing, in 2025 alone there were almost
00:01:07147,000, one and a half times more than two
00:01:11years earlier. Who, and why, in Russia denounces to the authorities
00:01:15potential violators of numerous prohibitive
00:01:18laws adopted after the invasion of Ukraine. And
00:01:21what this ends with, we will tell in our
00:01:24story.
00:01:29Since the start of the full-scale war with
00:01:32Ukraine, Russians are increasingly complaining not only about salaries,
00:01:36utilities and fraudsters, but also about each other. In
00:01:392022, the prosecutor's office received more than 5 million complaints, last year
00:01:43almost 8 million. The FSB also receives more
00:01:46calls. In 2 years, calls to its hotline have
00:01:49increased by almost one and a half times, people complain about
00:01:52neighbors, acquaintances, relatives, and often such
00:01:55complaints lead to fines or even imprisonment. One
00:01:59of the freshest stories happened in Vladivostok, where
00:02:03on August 31, Ksenia, the mother of a schoolchild, posted a video about
00:02:06school number 61 obliging children to wear a chevron
00:02:10with a flying drone, although last year it had a feather against
00:02:14the background of the Russian flag. Other parents in chats also called
00:02:18the new design strange. When journalists wrote about it, the school
00:02:22director said that the chevron was only needed for one specialized class, and
00:02:25then wrote a statement to the police against Ksenia.
00:02:29A provocation aimed at discrediting
00:02:33the educational institution on Knowledge Day and the first day
00:02:36of the Eastern Economic Forum. The director claims that the video
00:02:40shows someone else's chevron, although photos from the assembly, where these chevrons
00:02:43are visible, are posted on the school's public page. Ksenia has already given
00:02:47explanations to the district police officer, now she faces a fine for unreliable
00:02:51information. After the start of the war, a denunciation is a simple
00:02:54way to settle scores, and the reason can be an emoji in a building
00:02:58chat or an inaccurate
00:03:07conversation with an acquaintance via video about the army, and he recorded the conversation and handed it over
00:03:11to the police. The defense argued that it was a private
00:03:14call, and Timofeev did not publicly disseminate
00:03:17information discrediting the army, but the court decided that
00:03:21other people could have heard the words and fined Timofeev
00:03:2430,000 rubles. In Rostov-on- Don, one of the residents
00:03:27posted a video in the building chat where a Russian military vehicle fires
00:03:31a salvo, and Sergey Karavainy left a comment under it with a poop
00:03:35emoji. He explained that he was dissatisfied with the person
00:03:38who posted the video, not the army, but his neighbor wrote a complaint,
00:03:42and the court imposed the same fine on him. Often, such
00:03:45statements are caused by old quarrels, then everything can
00:03:49end not with just a fine. Hairdresser from Pushkino, Anna
00:03:52Alexandrova had been feuding over land with her neighbor
00:03:56at the dacha for a long time, and it was this neighbor who told the police
00:04:00about her anti-war posts and private messages. Alexandrova
00:04:03was sentenced to five years and two months in a penal colony for
00:04:07fakes about the army. In her final statement, she said: The history
00:04:10of denunciations in Russia has a centuries-old history, and
00:04:13the history of denunciations out of mercenary motives is a topic
00:04:17that has been repeatedly covered not only by lawyers,
00:04:20legal scholars, but also by the classics of our national literature.
00:04:24Sometimes people denounce relatives, for example, Anna Stepanova, who
00:04:27protested against the garbage dump in Shiyes, and
00:04:31then left Russia and became a foreign agent. A statement to
00:04:34the police was written by her cousin, contract soldier Oleg
00:04:38Gorin. On TikTok, he explained why. I wrote to the
00:04:41police so that she would not lose it, not sell it, and the money would not
00:04:44go to support the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or into her pocket for propaganda
00:04:48slander. She herself thinks that her brother just wants to take the apartment
00:04:52for himself, but no one has taken it away yet. And also such
00:04:55accusations turned out to be a very convenient way to eliminate competitors in
00:04:59business. Paying for publications in Western publications has
00:05:03long been common practice for Russian entrepreneurs, but
00:05:06previously they would order laudatory texts about themselves for
00:05:09PR and reputation. Now, as the BBC Russian
00:05:12Service found out, they are increasingly ordering compromising material on
00:05:16competitors. So in August 2025, the website EU
00:05:20Reporter published an interview with the former head of Plyos,
00:05:23businessman Alexey Shevtsov, where he allegedly called
00:05:27what was happening in Ukraine war crimes.
00:05:30Shevtsov says that he did not give any interview, and explains its
00:05:33appearance by his conflict over the Fortetsiya
00:05:37Rus hotel. The expertise, to which the
00:05:40BBC refers, admits that the voice
00:05:47his lawyers believe that it was precisely because of this interview, in the
00:05:51same month, the court, at the suit of the prosecutor's office, confiscated from him in favor
00:05:55of the state more than 150 real estate
00:05:58objects, shares in companies and income totaling more than a billion
00:06:02rubles, deciding that Shevtsov built his business using
00:06:05his position as mayor, at the end of August, the Cassation Court
00:06:08upheld this decision.
00:06:15This is the program "Man has the right," my name is Mariana Tarachashnikova, and
00:06:19on video call with our studio is lawyer Valeria Vitushkina. Valeria,
00:06:23hello! Hello, please explain,
00:06:26from a legal point of view,
00:06:30what does the word "denunciation" mean? Well, it sounds very
00:06:33unpleasant, denouncer, snitch,
00:06:37denunciations, but legally, what
00:06:40is it? Generally, in the Criminal Procedure
00:06:43Code, there is such a basis
00:06:46for conducting an investigation,
00:06:50and then as an option for the criminal case itself,
00:06:54as a statement of a crime. So, in general,
00:06:57if you try to put it into
00:07:00some legal framework, it can
00:07:04be such a statement of a crime. But, of course, in
00:07:07general, a "denouncer" is not a legal category, because these are
00:07:11just people who write some
00:07:14slanders, m-hm. Well, and in order to write
00:07:18such a slander or write such a
00:07:21denunciation against a person, to report that,
00:07:24in your opinion,
00:07:27they are violating the law, do you need to provide
00:07:30any evidence or
00:07:33is it enough to simply signal, and then let them
00:07:36deal with it, the police, the Investigative Committee, or
00:07:40the FSB, depending on who you complained to? I think
00:07:43we need to immediately define
00:07:47that denunciations are very, very
00:07:50different. We will probably talk
00:07:54today about denunciations
00:07:57in political cases, when people are sometimes eventually
00:08:01prosecuted for words or
00:08:04complain that someone expresses,
00:08:07for example, an anti-war position, and most
00:08:11often, such denunciations are accompanied by some
00:08:14evidence, because people directly
00:08:16try, for some reasons, which we can discuss, but
00:08:20people directly record some violations. But on the
00:08:23other hand, if the police, the Investigative Committee, or the FSB
00:08:27have the goal of somehow prosecuting
00:08:31a person, any reason will be enough, even
00:08:34if no evidence is attached to the denunciation,
00:08:38they will just need a simple
00:08:41link, statement, and so on, they
00:08:45will already carry out everything themselves, find everything themselves, they are fine
00:08:48with that. M-hm. So, you said that there are
00:08:52people who specifically
00:08:55provide evidence confirming their words. Who
00:08:59are these people, who generally writes denunciations
00:09:03in Russia now, most often and why? I think
00:09:06we all know that there are already professional
00:09:10informers, and these
00:09:14can sometimes be people from government agencies,
00:09:17some deputies, most often these are, of course, United
00:09:21Russia deputies, these can be State Duma deputies, these can
00:09:24also be deputies of some
00:09:27regional legislative bodies, they simply
00:09:30prove their loyalty
00:09:32to the system, for example,
00:09:36big case against the stop time group, we all eventually
00:09:40found out that the investigation
00:09:43began at the request of a
00:09:46deputy. This is the most banal, typical example
00:09:50of a denunciation, there are, of course, denunciations from ordinary
00:09:54people, who,
00:09:56well, honestly, they don't even get paid for it, well, I
00:10:00mean, I say "even," well, maybe it could be explained by money, but
00:10:03it's just, well, some people
00:10:07really believe in it, some are just afraid that
00:10:10they will be arrested, he watches.
00:10:13there are some neighbors, surrounding people, chats, parent groups, house groups, and so
00:10:16on, everyone has their own values.
00:10:19Are law enforcement agencies obliged to react to such
00:10:23denunciations that, for example, lack evidence or to
00:10:27anonymous messages? How does this
00:10:29story work? From the point of view of the law, there
00:10:33is no difference whether a statement is
00:10:36anonymous or not, meaning even anonymous
00:10:40ones must be considered. But in any case, it is important
00:10:43to understand that anonymous statements in Russia, well, they are not really
00:10:47anonymous, because if you submit them within Russia, it is very
00:10:50easy to find out who actually submitted them. If
00:10:54we talk about evidence,
00:10:56but
00:11:02again, it costs law enforcement nothing to assess, as it were, at the entrance, whether there is a basis for an investigation.
00:11:05The other question is that very often, for example, people come
00:11:08to me with a question like,
00:11:11"I was threatened that they would write a denunciation against me for
00:11:14my post on Telegram, what should I do?" And I always
00:11:17basically tell people that it's not at all certain
00:11:21that the denunciation will be acted upon. That is, I
00:11:25mean, so many denunciations are written to the police, to the Investigative
00:11:28Committee, to the FSB, and so on, but thank
00:11:32goodness, not all of these complaints are given
00:11:35any life. That is, it seems
00:11:38to me that they don't process them in the volume in which they
00:11:41are received. But nevertheless, you know, no one wants to take risks, and
00:11:45what should a person do if they know
00:11:49that they have been denounced, or if they have already been
00:11:52threatened with it? Yes, of course.
00:11:55If there is any threat, I am by no means
00:11:59saying that one should take risks, because one must assess one's safety,
00:12:03because the situation in Russia is very, very dangerous,
00:12:06in general, and as we have already said many times, these
00:12:10posts on the Internet, this is
00:12:13an ongoing offense, for example, for discreditation, the statute of limitations is 3
00:12:16months, and how it is calculated, it is not calculated
00:12:19from the moment you wrote the post, but from the moment the
00:12:23law enforcement officers discovered this post. That is, if, for example, someone
00:12:27wrote a post in May 2022, unfortunately,
00:12:30even now they can be held accountable for it, but you can
00:12:33as it were stop
00:12:37the running of this statute of limitations if you delete
00:12:40the post. M-hm. Therefore, if you are worried that you have become
00:12:43a victim of denunciation, delete it. If your
00:12:47offense, the offense is connected
00:12:49with a publication on the Internet, you can either
00:12:53delete the post, or
00:12:55close the account, but only then will it help if
00:12:59you know all the subscribers for sure. Well, and if it is,
00:13:02for example, related to some public action, for example, you went out with
00:13:06a poster, unfortunately, there is nothing to do about it.
00:13:09M-hm. And tell me,
00:13:12if someone was denounced, but
00:13:15in fact they were slandered, do they still
00:13:18have any opportunities to rehabilitate themselves in
00:13:22Russia, to prosecute this slanderer? To criminal
00:13:25responsibility for a deliberately false denunciation, because there is such an article in
00:13:29the criminal code, yes, indeed, there is such an article
00:13:32in the criminal code, but it
00:13:35differentiates responsibility. There is a part
00:13:39that simply establishes responsibility for the dissemination of so-called
00:13:43information discrediting
00:13:45honor and dignity, and then
00:13:49there is responsibility for
00:13:52slanderous information regarding accusations
00:13:55of grave and especially grave crimes. That is, roughly speaking,
00:13:59but at the same time, it is important that these actions must be committed
00:14:02publicly. That is, yes,
00:14:05there is a very, very small practice that
00:14:08if someone wrote a statement to
00:14:12a state body, but the statement turned out
00:14:15to be false, then one person, I read this court
00:14:18decision, was brought to responsibility for slander,
00:14:22but this case was against a person who
00:14:25wrote a statement against an official. It is difficult
00:14:29for me to imagine that a simple citizen would be
00:14:32protected. And regarding a separate article about
00:14:35a deliberately false
00:14:36denunciation,
00:14:39the investigator who will conduct the investigation must
00:14:43establish that the denunciation was
00:14:46deliberately false, that is, not just false, that the person
00:14:49made a mistake, but that this person deliberately understood that, for example,
00:14:53what another person posted
00:14:57is not a crime. M-hm. Well, in general,
00:15:00it turns out that the chances of
00:15:04rehabilitation in such a case are very
00:15:07small. In your opinion,
00:15:10is it really true that after
00:15:14Russia launched such an aggressive
00:15:17war in Ukraine, after
00:15:20February 2022, an epidemic began
00:15:23in the country?
00:16:07the strictest sentence in modern Russia for a case of stalking and online
00:16:11bullying, which almost led to the death of a young girl.
00:16:1521-year-old Mikhail Shalimov was sentenced to 12
00:16:18years in a strict regime penal colony. After a conflict in
00:16:21a game chat, he months pursued a schoolgirl from
00:16:25Ufa, sent her threats, ordered night deliveries to
00:16:28her home, published pornographic materials in the name
00:16:31of her relatives, and drove her to an attempted suicide. According to
00:16:35the Internet Development Foundation, every fourth
00:16:38Russian teenager has faced insults, bullying, or
00:16:42harassment online, however, in Russian legislation,
00:16:45issues of combating cyberbullying and
00:16:48cyberstalking, and punishments
00:16:50for them are not addressed.
00:16:57It all started with an online game. In the spring of 2024, twenty-one-year-old
00:17:01Mikhail Shalimov met ninth-grader Diana from
00:17:04Ufa in a community dedicated to Minecraft. A conflict
00:17:08arose between them, and Shalimov threatened the schoolgirl with problems and forced
00:17:12her to publicly apologize. Diana refused. After that,
00:17:15Shalimov began bullying the girl on the Internet, sending threats to her and her
00:17:18family, creating accounts in Diana's name and publishing,
00:17:22for example, videos of animal abuse there. Gradually, the bullying
00:17:26went beyond the Internet. Shalimov called couriers to the Ufa resident's
00:17:29address in the middle of the night, wrote nasty things in the house chat in Diana's
00:17:32mother's name, hung up ads around the city with the schoolgirl's
00:17:36photo and the caption, "On behalf of Diana, he called the police,
00:17:40reported bomb threats at the school, shopping center, and enterprise."
00:17:43According to the materials of the criminal case, Shalimov demanded that the schoolgirl commit
00:17:47suicide, promising only after that to stop the persecution. Diana
00:17:51tried to do it. The Novgorod District Court found Shalimov guilty of
00:17:54bringing a minor to an attempted suicide and of organizing
00:17:57deliberately false reports of terrorist acts. In Veliky Novgorod,
00:18:01Shalimov had already been tried under other articles for indecent acts against
00:18:05minors and for the manufacture and distribution
00:18:09of such materials. Taking into account the previous verdict, the final sentence was 12 years in a strict regime penal colony. The first high-profile cases
00:18:15of online bullying and so-called death groups appeared almost 10 years
00:18:19ago. For example, in 2017, Philipp
00:18:21Budeikin,
00:18:23known online as Philipp Lis, received 3 years and 4 months in a
00:18:27settlement colony for inciting minors to suicide using
00:18:30social networks. A year later, Ilya
00:18:33Sidorov, whom the investigation also considered the curator of one of these groups,
00:18:37received 3 years in a settlement colony. In
00:18:402025, the creator of the Blue Whale channel, Ilya Pogiblov, was
00:18:43sentenced to nine years in a strict regime penal colony. The court
00:18:47found him guilty, in particular, of organizing activities on the Internet
00:18:50aimed at inciting suicide and inducing minors to
00:18:53suicide. As Novaya Gazeta wrote, about 130 teenagers
00:18:57allegedly became victims of the Blue Whale or other death groups.
00:19:00Today, online bullying takes on new
00:19:04forms. Some content, for example, deepfakes, is created in a matter of seconds
00:19:07using neural networks. One such case was recently heard in court
00:19:11in Vladimir. There, schoolchildren used a neural network to create obscene
00:19:15images of their classmate, and then distributed them in
00:19:18a Telegram channel. The mother went to court, and the perpetrators and the educational
00:19:22institution were ordered to pay compensation for moral damages. According to
00:19:25statistics from the Monitoring Center Security 2.0, in
00:19:282025, Russia recorded about
00:19:3110,000 cases of cyberbullying involving
00:19:34minors. This is 14% more than a year
00:19:37earlier. However, for online violence, which includes
00:19:41stalking, bullying, and harassment, simple
00:19:44words are enough. Thus, in early September, a court in Vologda sentenced a student
00:19:48of a local university to 2.5 years of conditional imprisonment for inciting
00:19:51a twenty-year-old girl to suicide. Mediazona
00:19:54established that the accused is likely named Stepan Shalyapin. According to
00:19:58case materials, he systematically sent messages from different
00:20:01accounts to the victim, urging her to harm herself or commit
00:20:05suicide. According to world statistics for
00:20:082025, approximately 38% of women have
00:20:11encountered online violence at least once, and
00:20:1385% have been witnesses to it,
00:20:16and every twelfth
00:20:20child has been subjected to
00:20:21sexual harassment on the internet.
00:20:26This is the "Man Has the Right" program. My name is Maryana Trocheshnikova,
00:20:30and joining our studio is feminist and author of the
00:20:33YouTube channel "Lego Razdora," Zalina Marshenkulova. Zalina,
00:20:36hello! Hello. Please tell
00:20:40me, why do women and girls
00:20:44especially often become victims of cyberstalking
00:20:48and cyberbullying? How is this? Is it related to gender
00:20:51stereotypes, or is it a misconception that
00:20:55girls and women suffer most often
00:20:58from online violence? No, this is not
00:21:01a misconception, there are studies confirming this, just as
00:21:04women suffer most from physical violence, they also suffer from
00:21:07cyberviolence,
00:21:10this is due to the learned misogyny,
00:21:14woman-hatred, that prevails, especially
00:21:17in a patriarchal society, and
00:21:21Russia is a maximally patriarchal country,
00:21:25but there is also another reason,
00:21:28impunity, the absence of any protective mechanisms,
00:21:32a person in Russia, especially a woman, cannot
00:21:35protect herself from the harassment of some
00:21:37inadequate person,
00:21:40there are no such tools, for example, like a
00:21:43restraining order not to approach closer than 200 meters, there are no such
00:21:47laws, so this leads to
00:21:50absolute lawlessness, it leads to girls being kidnapped in broad daylight, as has
00:21:54already happened several times,
00:21:58some heroes of their own story kidnap them, shove them into a car,
00:22:01and nothing will happen to them for it, m-hm, yes, but this
00:22:04is still us leaving, so to speak, the
00:22:08network, the internet, for real life, it seems, and it's as
00:22:12if law enforcement officials treat it that
00:22:15way, cyberstalking,
00:22:19cyberbullying. That it's nothing, something not serious, it's
00:22:22not real, you weren't physically grabbed, not
00:22:26caught, but someone wrote you something on the internet, don't
00:22:30pay attention, block them.
00:22:33And why is there such an attitude from your point
00:22:36of view, how justified is it? It's not justified at
00:22:39all, such an unserious attitude, because again,
00:22:43according to various studies,
00:22:46cyberbullying causes the same damage, essentially
00:22:49psychological, as if you were bullied in person and told
00:22:52you were worthless, die, something like that. So, in fact,
00:22:56the harm from online bullying is real,
00:22:59it's not some fiction, it's not some nonsense,
00:23:03it's absolutely abnormal, I don't know, to
00:23:07face a huge number of threats or death wishes online,
00:23:10but that's also not regulated at all, because
00:23:13yes, there is such a thing, well, in fact, if we take Russia specifically,
00:23:17then in Russia from...
00:23:50in general, often the surrounding society does not
00:23:53take this digital
00:23:56violence seriously, and often blames the victim herself, saying: "Well, you shouldn't be on
00:24:00the internet, posting your photos,"
00:24:03because in general, society,
00:24:06which normalizes
00:24:10violence, normalizes any violence. In Russia,
00:24:13domestic violence is considered normal,
00:24:17people still haven't come to a conclusion about whether it's okay to hit children or not, for example, in the family,
00:24:21it's still considered a topic for discussion,
00:24:25and what can we say about cyberviolence,
00:24:29which is not taken seriously at all, and I, moreover, many people generally
00:24:32perceive this option to insult someone,
00:24:36threaten someone, pour all their venom, all their negativity
00:24:39on someone, they perceive it as
00:24:42their, their, I don't know, not so much a privilege, but their
00:24:45free time pastime, that's how they probably
00:24:49perceive it, like they have the right to do that. It seems to
00:24:52me that people don't even think about how much they dehumanize
00:24:55someone on the internet. What
00:24:59problems arise for specific people,
00:25:02for specific girls and young women in cases where
00:25:06they do not find support, well, from the
00:25:09state, from law enforcement agencies
00:25:12after cyber
00:25:15violence? Well, what huge problems, as I have repeatedly
00:25:18defended women,
00:26:32yes, due to the fact that it is completely absurd and monstrous, this case, it's
00:26:36just, how can you not look, a fourteen-year-old girl is being bullied by some adult
00:26:40man, for no clear reason, completely inadequate, because she
00:26:43changed the name of the game chat, although she didn't change it,
00:26:47and it wasn't her, that is, it's unclear for what reason
00:26:50she generally caused him to want to pursue her and
00:26:54poison her in every way, to spoil
00:26:57her life in every way, that this is generally unthinkable,
00:27:00an underage girl against some adult
00:27:04inadequate man, this is simply complete madness, so of course this
00:27:07case, of course, should have
00:27:10become high-profile, of course, they should have done something about it, this is simply unthinkable,
00:27:14but if it seems to me that if it wasn't an underage girl, but
00:27:17just some adult woman, it seems to me that there wouldn't have been such a resonance, there wouldn't
00:27:21have been a resonance or there wouldn't have been a case,
00:27:24it seems to me there wouldn't have been a case, there are a huge number of women who are
00:27:28physically pursued by ex-partners, physically directly, yes, that is, not online, but physically they don't
00:27:32allow...
00:27:43well, I don't know, the adoption of some specialized law or
00:27:46the development of legal mechanisms against
00:27:50intrusive harassment, including on the Internet,
00:27:53or
00:27:56life would have developed on its own, and no one would have
00:28:00paid attention to the law.
00:28:02that in Russia, no more regulatory restrictive
00:28:06laws should be made, because
00:28:08now almost all laws are used as
00:28:12repression, as repressive
00:28:15laws, and of course, this law, even if
00:28:18it existed, which prohibits cyberbullying, it would naturally
00:28:22be directed not against really some scoundrels, maniacs and
00:28:25villains, like, I don't know, pedophiles, but it would work
00:28:29against some ordinary good people, as is the case here. Almost
00:28:32all good people in Russia are already in prison,
00:28:35so I don't support such restrictions at
00:28:39the legislative level, here we need to fight only with public
00:28:42outcry, unfortunately, in this case, society must stop
00:28:46normalizing violence in
00:28:48general, because violence against women, domestic
00:28:52violence, is still normalized with the words that it
00:28:56will harm - I don't know, mm
00:28:59traditional families in some way, implying that the traditional
00:29:03family is based on violence against women, obviously,
00:29:06this must be, when they stop normalizing it at the state level, then
00:29:10the attitude towards cyberviolence will begin to change, and
00:29:13as long as physical violence is still considered, well, not something
00:29:17great, then how will we come to the conclusion that cyberviolence is
00:29:21bad? Uh-huh, yes, thank you very much for your
00:29:24comments, Zalina Marchenkola, feminist,
00:29:27author of the YouTube channel "Liga Razdora" was on the line with the program, "Chelovek
00:29:31Imet Pravo" (A Person Has the Right).
00:29:35This was the program "Chelovek Imet Pravo", I , Maryana Trachashnikova, hosted it, until
00:29:39we meet again on the air of Radio Svoboda and the Current Time TV channel.
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