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00:00:00If you could only buy it when you were 18, what then?
00:00:03Um, now I'm used to being able to buy alcohol at 16, so I
00:00:07think it would be maybe a little strange also, because we have this party culture
00:00:10already as 16-year-olds in Denmark,
00:00:13so yes, I think I would get it in other ways maybe,
00:00:17because I'm so used to buying it
00:00:20to us is that the Russians are now, yes, and Frej, well, we talked a bit earlier here, that we were standing and we were going on TV news here,
00:00:24and you told me that you had been looking forward to turning 16, because then you were going to go out and buy some
00:00:27alcohol here, but what if that wasn't possible and... for some of you, wouldn't you wait a bit to
00:00:31drink? That's the whole point of this proposal here? Um, yes, I think we
00:00:35would, but at the same time, I still think you could get your parents to buy
00:00:39either or yes, know or some other older person and still
00:00:43be able to get hold of it, because it's not, I mean, it's not
00:00:46only now that people drink, but it has always been done, right?
00:00:49But just here at the end, if it became difficult, if it became, or difficult, if it
00:00:53became illegal simply, so you first have to buy it when you are of age, wouldn't you postpone
00:00:57drinking, that is, wait until you are a bit more mature
00:01:00and perhaps better able to control it. Uh, yes, definitely, I think I would drink less
00:01:04100%, but I personally already started
00:01:07drinking at 14, and it wasn't even possible to buy alcohol then, so I
00:01:11got uh either parents or siblings to buy it for
00:01:14me, um, but yes, it might lessen it a bit
00:01:18also in this fishing culture we have in Denmark, and what about you, Frej, just
00:01:22at the end, yes, I mean, it might put a damper on how much you drink, yes,
00:01:26I think so. Hi, Cilie, now we're going to look at
00:01:30the weather. We will, and it will be a rather grey affair
00:01:34for most, but on the other hand also a rather mild autumn day
00:01:37out there. Here in the morning hours, it's almost exclusively on Bornholm that you get
00:01:41a little glimpse of sunshine here early in the day, while
00:01:45over the rest of the country it's generally rather grey and also a bit hazy
00:01:48out there, especially up through Jutland, where you can encounter some fog or
00:01:52mist in the late morning hours. Temperatures will
00:01:56reach around 17-18 degrees, locally perhaps a bit more than that when
00:02:00the afternoon starts, and if there are some
00:02:03breaks in the clouds around, then you can also reach these 20
00:02:06degrees, so it's a nice mild Tuesday. Late in
00:02:10the afternoon, some rain will come ashore, it will come from the west, so it will hit Jutland
00:02:13first, but during the late evening hours and throughout
00:02:17the night, it will spread to the rest of the country, and it can
00:02:21also locally feel like quite heavy
00:02:23rain.
00:02:35We are covering the latest news, it is regrettably not surprising, so states
00:02:39a written comment from Mette Frederiksen, after a Russian
00:02:42frigate fired at one of the air force's helicopters with
00:02:45so-called flares. Flares are pyrotechnics normally
00:02:49used as an attention signal at sea, but according to
00:02:52the defense, they were fired at one of their Fenwick helicopters, and
00:02:56the incident happened yesterday in international waters in the Baltic Sea,
00:03:00off Gæser, the defense states. It speaks
00:03:04for itself that it is very serious when a Russian frigate yesterday fired
00:03:08so-called flares at one of the defense's helicopters. But it
00:03:12is unfortunately not surprising, because it is part of the pattern that we see throughout
00:03:15Europe, with an increasingly aggressive and
00:03:18assertive Russia, which has intensified hybrid warfare
00:03:22against Europe. And which tests and challenges
00:03:26NATO, Russia wants to intimidate and sow discord.
00:03:30Our defense is to stand closer together and strengthen the defense of Denmark and
00:03:34Europe, yes, so says Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen today, and Foreign
00:03:37Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen says, it is completely
00:03:41unacceptable to have endangered human lives, therefore I have
00:03:44summoned the Russian ambassador for
00:03:48cooperation with the other NATO countries is also a talk about the incident. From the Danish side, we are working to ensure that all shipping can pass peacefully
00:03:52through Danish waters, but Russia
00:03:54is gradually shifting the boundaries of what they consider acceptable
00:03:58behavior, we cannot accept that, says the
00:04:01Foreign Minister.
00:04:06What we see here are archival footage of one of the defense's
00:04:09Fenwick helicopters during an
00:04:10certainly no doubt that the hybrid war that is exercise. The two Russian flares were
00:04:13fired while the defense's helicopter was routinely
00:04:17taking pictures of the Russian frigate in international
00:04:21waters off Gæssa. According to the defense, one
00:04:24flare passed close by the helicopter, and
00:04:27Defense Minister Jeppe Brous views the incident with great seriousness, he
00:04:31tells us, well, we
00:04:35The survey results are take it very seriously, I mean, it's serious when a Danish military helicopter
00:04:37is fired upon in international waters, which
00:04:41is monitoring a Russian frigate, and what
00:04:44is the level of seriousness, is this a hybrid attack? No,
00:04:48you can call it a hybrid attack, I mean, flares, pyrotechnics, are being fired at
00:04:52the helicopter, and that's of course serious, and first and foremost, it's
00:04:55important that nothing happened to the pilots and personnel on board, uh, and
00:04:59secondarily, nothing happened to the helicopter, but of course it's serious, because they
00:05:03are carrying out a task that we do all the time, namely keeping an eye on what's happening
00:05:07around Denmark, and we will continue to do that.
00:05:11Try to describe what such a helicopter does. Could it have provoked? Well,
00:05:14the helicopter takes pictures, for example, and looks at what's happening with a
00:05:18warship that's close to Denmark. There's nothing abnormal about that, it's the task
00:05:22the defense has, and it's the task the defense carries out, and they will continue to carry it out
00:05:25in the future, so I won't speculate on what caused
00:05:29the reaction from that. What it confirms
00:05:33active in relation to the West, and that they are also pushing the boundaries in relation to the
00:05:37actions they take. Is this the worst attack that has
00:05:40been from Russia against Denmark? Well, I won't go in and
00:05:44categorize that. We take it seriously, and that's why we
00:05:47are summoning the Russian ambassador for a talk. From
00:05:50opposition parties in Christiansborg, it also sounds like it's the right
00:05:54move for now, that the government has summoned the Russian ambassador
00:05:58for a talk. It's a serious situation we're in,
00:06:02and that it's absolutely crucial that the government acts as they do, that
00:06:06they immediately summon the Russian ambassador. Is that
00:06:10enough? Well, I think it is for now, because one must be
00:06:13aware that this is certainly not the last time that the Russians will try
00:06:17to pressure us to see where the limits are. Well, we think it's very good that the government
00:06:21has summoned the Russian ambassador for a very serious conversation. We also agree
00:06:25that article four and five uh are not necessary at this
00:06:28point in relation to NATO, but we also hope that
00:06:32the Danish government, the Minister of Defense, will have a talk with our
00:06:35allies in NATO about how we can jointly come up with a
00:06:39response, because we are strongest when we stand together.
00:06:43According to a military analyst, the incident off Gæser is an
00:06:46escalation of the conflict with
00:06:48Russia. This is a task
00:06:51that the air force has carried out for many
00:06:55years, uh, in connection with the passage of Russian and
00:06:59previously Soviet warships through Danish
00:07:02waters, they have routinely photographed
00:07:05them, and that has until now proceeded in the most peaceful way,
00:07:09that is, they might have been annoyed by it, but it has
00:07:12taken place in international waters and international
00:07:15airspace. The Russian frigate has the right to be there,
00:07:19and the Danish helicopter has had the right to be there, so it has been
00:07:23a kind of game that has been played over the years, and
00:07:26which has not given rise to any problems
00:07:30previously. Could
00:07:32the Russian action have been legitimate in any way?
00:07:36Well, one could imagine
00:07:40that if the Russian side had... thought that the helicopter was
00:07:44a danger to the frigate itself, that they would
00:07:47draw attention to it, I mean, that's the only thing I can see, but
00:07:51I find it very difficult to imagine that
00:07:55our pilots in the air force
00:07:58- extremely professional, and I cannot imagine that they would have
00:08:02done anything that could have provoked this
00:08:05in any way. We have asked the Russian embassy in Denmark for a
00:08:09comment from Ambassador Vladimir Babin, it has
00:08:13not yet
00:08:13been obtained.
00:08:17Two out of three children and young people between nine and 17 years old have in the past year been
00:08:21exposed to digital violations or other
00:08:23unpleasant experiences online here at home. This is shown by a new
00:08:26survey from Save the Children and the Tryg Foundation, which maps
00:08:30the extent of 12 different forms of digital
00:08:33violations. Most often it's on Snapchat where random
00:08:37people add me and sometimes I say yes to it to see if it's someone I
00:08:40know. And then it just ends up with them... and nude pictures and all sorts of things, there are also just a lot of people who
00:08:44have contacted me, and then it's also just videos like uh dead animals and
00:08:48car accidents and stuff, I was contacted by some of my
00:08:51friends' friends, um, and then they started
00:08:54writing a lot of unpleasant things, and like, I didn't
00:08:58know them, so I didn't really know what to do. The
00:09:02digital violations and unpleasant online experiences range from
00:09:05serious crimes, such as grooming attempts from adult strangers, to
00:09:09crude comments and harassment from peers. Save the Children has previously conducted
00:09:13similar surveys, and here the number has risen massively from
00:09:1642% in 2021 to 66% this
00:09:20year. The experiences can have serious
00:09:22consequences.
00:09:25It shifts children and young people's ideas about their own worth and
00:09:28what others are worth. It can challenge their ideas about what
00:09:31boundaries they have, and because some of what the survey shows is
00:09:35that children increasingly consider some of this to be a condition of being
00:09:39online, we are actually also concerned about the extent to which
00:09:42their boundaries are shifted, which is associated with it.
00:09:47serious, according to Save the Children. It
00:09:51is the case that actually the majority of children and young people in Denmark
00:09:55between nine and 17 years old, who within the past year have had a very
00:09:58unpleasant experience online, and that ranges from
00:10:02adults reaching out to them for something, for example sending
00:10:05intimate pictures, some trying to extort them, some talking
00:10:09very badly to them, or them for example seeing uh a... videos of someone being
00:10:13killed or of animals being abused. I actually think
00:10:16that most adults, even though we know that it's
00:10:20hardcore, what's going on in children's and teenagers'
00:10:24feeds, even though... we know that, I still think we will be surprised,
00:10:27would be surprised, if we knew how wild it actually is,
00:10:31uh, and that calls in the highest degree for action from us
00:10:35adults, and us adults and that action, where should
00:10:39it come from, is it the politicians, is
00:10:41it the providers, who is it?
00:10:44Well, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that
00:10:47the tech giants themselves will take on this responsibility, on the contrary
00:10:51they make money from having a behavioral design that steals
00:10:54children's time and
00:10:57attention, and also some content that is uh
00:11:01deeply unpleasant, uh, they have had every opportunity to take responsibility, they haven't
00:11:05done it, and therefore we of course need political
00:11:08regulation, uh, now there will be a law that
00:11:12you have to be 15 to be on social media, that's a good
00:11:16first step, there's also a lot more to do, for
00:11:19example a ban on retention mechanisms, we also need
00:11:23a ban on harvesting data on children and
00:11:27young people under 18, it's like that childhood today is
00:11:31extremely commercialized, because a lot of their hours
00:11:34are actually spent being exposed to advertisements,
00:11:38and then as parents we can of course also do more
00:11:41than we do, some of what we at Save the Children know is effective,
00:11:45is if you make joint agreements in the classes that here in
00:11:48this class, we will adhere to the age limits on the
00:11:51various digital platforms and postpone the first smartphone until the child
00:11:55is 13 years old. Which is both Save the Children's and the authorities'
00:11:59recommendation. It has not been possible for Snapchat or Roblox to
00:12:03answer our questions, it is said, while TikTok has also not been able to
00:12:07give an interview. Meta refers to Instagram's new team
00:12:10profiles, which set limits on who can contact
00:12:14them, and what content they can access. Minister for Digitization Christina Egelund
00:12:17writes to us that the survey confirms her belief that
00:12:20the tech giants are not living up to their responsibility. Therefore, I am also glad that we are now
00:12:23introducing an age limit for social media, so we can shield children
00:12:27from the utterly horrific content that exists on many of the platforms. It
00:12:31doesn't solve the problem alone, but it is an important step
00:12:34forward.
00:12:38Two 16-year-old boys have been charged with the murder of a 25-year-old who died after a
00:12:42stabbing in Tilst on May 16th. This is announced by
00:12:45the public prosecutor's office at East Jutland Police. Four other young men are already
00:12:49imprisoned in the case. The two 16-year-olds
00:12:52will be brought before the court this morning
00:12:55in Aarhus.
00:12:57The US Supreme Court rejects Trump's attempt to tighten rules for
00:13:01mail-in ballots. Trump signed a decree in the spring, which among other things required
00:13:05that ballots only be sent to voters who were on
00:13:08special lists of mail-in voters in the
00:13:11individual states. At the same time, the president wanted
00:13:15the envelopes to be equipped with tracking, but the Supreme Court has
00:13:18now rejected this. The case has great significance for the midterm elections in
00:13:22November, as almost a third of American voters
00:13:25vote by mail, AP writes. A NATO fighter jet
00:13:29has shot down a drone in Lithuanian airspace. The country's
00:13:32president confirms this on X. It is now unclear where the drone comes from.
00:13:36But the president writes that, quote, in light of Russia's
00:13:39escalating aggression against Ukraine, such
00:13:42preparedness is of crucial importance for our
00:13:45region.
00:13:49The association of boarding schools wants to raise the age limit for alcohol sales to
00:13:5318. That's the message in an open letter that the association has sent to
00:13:56Health Minister Ida Auken. The Boarding School Association believes that
00:14:00an unclear signal is being sent when the National Board of Health on the one hand recommends
00:14:04that young people under 18 do not drink alcohol, while on the other
00:14:08hand, 16-year-olds can buy
00:14:10various alcohol products, and instead the association wants a clear
00:14:14and distinct signal sent to young people and their parents that
00:14:17alcohol is not for children. We visited
00:14:21Vejstrup Efterskole in South Funen this morning. There was
00:14:25booing before the interview when principal Jakob Kramer said
00:14:29he supported an age limit of 18
00:14:31years. Well, I mean, people are booing, that's a signal that it means
00:14:35a lot to them, and they really want to be allowed to have some parties, and we actually think that young people
00:14:39should. This is about the fact that it's good to have some
00:14:42frameworks for holding parties, and when we have a health authority in Denmark that
00:14:46comes with recommendations, we also think that legislation should match that. It's a
00:14:49clear and distinct framework for students and parents and schools and for society.
00:14:53So yes, it's a good idea. Well, then I'll go straight over to some young people here,
00:14:57namely those who go to this school, the two of you here, um, yes,
00:15:00uh, Jacob says it's a good idea, Ellen, what do you think about
00:15:04this, I mean, you're 16, you could, you can go out and buy a beer or a
00:15:08Breezer or yes, alcohol but with a low percentage
00:15:11in it, uh, what if you could only buy it when you were 18, what then?
00:15:15Um, now I'm used to being able to buy alcohol at 16, so I
00:15:19think it would be maybe a little strange also because we have this party culture
00:15:23already as 16-year-olds in Denmark.
00:15:25So yes, I think I would get it in other ways
00:15:29maybe, because I'm so used to buying it now, yes, and Frej, well,
00:15:33we talked a bit earlier here, that we were standing and we were going on TV news here, and
00:15:36you told me. you had been looking forward to turning 16, because then you were going to go out and buy some alcohol here,
00:15:40but what if that wasn't possible, and for some of you, wouldn't you wait a bit to drink? That's the whole
00:15:44point of this proposal here? Um, yes, I think we would,
00:15:48but at the same time, I still think you could get your parents to buy either
00:15:51or yes, know or some other older person and still be able to get hold
00:15:55of it, because it's not, I mean, it's not
00:15:58only now that people drink, but it has always been done, right?
00:16:02But just here at the end, if it became difficult, if it became, or difficult, if it
00:16:05became illegal simply, so you first have to... buy it when you are of age, wouldn't you postpone
00:16:09drinking, that is, wait until you are a bit more mature and and perhaps better able to control
00:16:13it. Uh, yes, definitely, I think I would drink less
00:16:16100%, but I personally already started
00:16:20drinking at 14, and it wasn't even possible to buy alcohol then, so I
00:16:24got uh either parents or siblings to buy it for me,
00:16:27um, but yes, it might lessen it a bit also
00:16:31in this fishing culture we have in Denmark, and what about you, Frej,
00:16:34just at the end, yes, I mean, it might put a damper on how much you drink,
00:16:38yes, I think so.
00:16:40Hi, Sili, now we're going to look at the weather. We
00:16:44will, and it will be a rather grey affair for most, but on the other
00:16:47hand also a rather mild autumn day out there. Here in
00:16:50the morning hours, it's almost exclusively on Bornholm that you get a glimpse of
00:16:54sunshine here early in the day, while over the rest of
00:16:57the country it's generally rather grey and also a bit hazy out there.
00:17:01Especially up through Jutland, you can encounter some fog or mist in the late
00:17:05morning hours. Temperatures will reach around
00:17:0917-18 degrees, locally perhaps a bit more than that when the afternoon
00:17:12starts, and if there are some breaks in the clouds
00:17:16around, then you can also reach these 20 degrees, so it's
00:17:19a nice mild Tuesday. Late in the afternoon, some
00:17:23rain will come ashore, it will come from the west, so it will hit Jutland
00:17:26first, but during the late evening hours and throughout the night,
00:17:30it will spread to the rest of the country, and it can also still
00:17:34feel like quite heavy rain.
00:17:43No one can win the war, a continuation will only lead to the total
00:17:46destruction of both nations. So sounds
00:17:49the warning now from Zelensky's right hand, but is it
00:17:52true?
00:17:56Or does the warning come now, because Russia with new jet drones and
00:17:59ballistic missiles, bombard Ukrainian cities both
00:18:03day and night. It's the war's day right now on
00:18:06DR.
00:18:21Yes, in a moment, a number of politicians will meet
00:18:24in the Ministry of Defense, these are members of the defense political committee, when it happens after one
00:18:28of the defense's Fenwick helicopters was fired upon by a Russian frigate
00:18:32with signal, plus so-called flares. Therefore, we need to
00:18:36quickly go to you, Søren Larsen, because you are with the
00:18:38Minister of Defense.
00:18:41I am indeed, I am with Defense Minister Jeppe Bros, and Jeppe Bros, you have just summoned
00:18:45the defense committee,
00:18:47there was an incident yesterday evening, what is it that the defense committee needs to be
00:18:51informed about? Well, they need to hear a bit more about what I have
00:18:55also told you and the entire public about the incident that happened yesterday,
00:18:58uh, where uh a Danish military helicopter
00:19:02uh took a closer look at a Russian frigate that then fired
00:19:06some flares, some kind of uh, technique against this
00:19:09helicopter, it seems like a rather serious incident, but Frederiksen has also
00:19:12written about it, should one be concerned? One should
00:19:16at least take it seriously, and we do, and that is also why we
00:19:19react uh to the incident that happened yesterday. Do you take it
00:19:23so seriously that you would reach out to our international partners, for example in
00:19:27NATO? Yes, we are in continuous dialogue with our allies, we can
00:19:31also see a pattern that the Russians are becoming more risk-taking in the
00:19:34incidents we see, so we of course take it. We also saw Poland yesterday come out and report
00:19:38that they had found Russian drones 100 kilometers from Denmark. Has
00:19:42this escalated in the last few weeks? Well, there is
00:19:48underway, uh, and it is also in the public
00:19:51assessment, uh, that we see that Russia is pushing the
00:19:55boundaries in terms of how risk-averse they are.
00:19:58Thank you.
00:20:02Yes, and then we saw the Minister of Defense on his way into the Ministry of Defense, where
00:20:06he is going to receive the other politicians.
00:20:10Niels Fastrup, investigative journalist here at DR, you're on your phone, you're not
00:20:14doing that to be rude, Niels, it's because you're working
00:20:17at the same time. You uncovered Russian ships, hidden operations
00:20:21in Danish and Nordic waters, uh, so you have an
00:20:24insight into these things. So first and foremost, have
00:20:27the Russians become more risk-taking?
00:20:30Yes, there is, unfortunately, an escalation
00:20:33right now in the grey zone war, the shadow war, the hybrid war
00:20:38that is going on between Europe and Russia in the wake of the war in
00:20:41Ukraine, and has it escalated, now
00:20:45Jeppe Bro was asked about the last couple of weeks, but has it
00:20:48escalated over time? Niels, yes, at least that's
00:20:51what the sources I talk to, Nordic and European
00:20:55intelligence services, and also defense sources tell me, it is
00:20:59that they are now seeing an escalation, I can't say exactly
00:21:02when it started, but for example, there has also been this, this
00:21:06incredibly violent episode down in Germany with this
00:21:09drone attack, drones armed with explosives against some
00:21:12transport planes, which are also highlighted by the sources as an example of this
00:21:16escalation, so there is an escalation right now which... is
00:21:20connected to Russia being pressured and wanting to put pressure on
00:21:23us, because Russia is so pressured, and while you are talking, these are live
00:21:27images from inside the Ministry of Defense, it is the
00:21:30main entrance, and a number of politicians will meet in the
00:21:34Ministry of Defense, these are members of the
00:21:36defense committee, and as soon as we get some reactions from
00:21:40the politicians on this incident, we will of course
00:21:44report it, now I can see my good colleague Søren Larsen has taken over about Russia
00:21:47reacting as they do, and now we will go in and have a briefing,
00:21:51and then we will see what the Minister of Defense and the Chief of Defense
00:21:55tell us about why it happened. Do you think Article 4 should be invoked,
00:21:58that is, should we reach out to our European partners? I think that's a bit
00:22:02much right now in front of the cameras to talk about, we'll
00:22:05just get a briefing from the Chief of Defense, and then
00:22:09I assume that the government and the Minister of Defense have a
00:22:12proposal for how we communicate, uh, and
00:22:15I'm looking forward to hearing more about that, so you generally support the way the government has communicated
00:22:19so far. So far, I do, yes, I absolutely do, there's a difference between whether Russia intended
00:22:23to do this against a Danish ship, or whether it was an poorly trained crew, or what to say, what do you think
00:22:27about it, but I can't know anything about it, that's why the
00:22:30minister has been called for this briefing, and I would of course like to
00:22:34thank him for doing it on such short notice, what kind of answers do you
00:22:38want, what questions do you want answers to other uh the course of events, and
00:22:41why one believes that the Russian ship has reacted as they
00:22:45have, and what the reaction from the government should be,
00:22:48with the course of events, do you mean there? with, how the Danish helicopter has
00:22:52acted? No, I actually think that as it looks,
00:22:55the Danish defense has reacted as it should, uh, it's
00:22:59more a little uh, the Russians' reaction that is
00:23:03surprising, but we'll get clarification on that in a moment,
00:23:06right? But aren't you worried at all? We've seen Poland saying yesterday that they have
00:23:10found Russian drones 100 kilometers from the Danish border, aren't you worried at all?
00:23:13Well, it's not my job to be worried, my job well, it may be, my job
00:23:17as defense spokesperson for the Danish People's Party is to... ensure that we are ready
00:23:21to counter any threat, and now I'm getting a briefing
00:23:24hopefully. Thank you.
00:23:27Yes, those were the words of Alex Arensen, who is one of
00:23:31the members of the defense agreement circle, who will now go in and get a briefing
00:23:34from Defense Minister Jeppe Brus, this is the main entrance to the
00:23:38Ministry of Defense.
00:23:41And we must go back to the ministry and hear another
00:23:43reaction.
00:23:51that uh the Russians uh
00:23:54escalate uh not just in this case,
00:23:58but it's one among many, and it's
00:24:01uh an attempt to see if
00:24:04uh if we blink uh in our
00:24:07unity, and therefore it is important that all
00:24:11nations, both in Europe and NATO, stand
00:24:15together on how serious this is, but there's no doubt that we
00:24:18see that Russia also... in recent times has started to test boundaries
00:24:22to an extent we haven't seen before, can we keep calling the Russian
00:24:26ambassador for friendly talks? It's certainly the right thing
00:24:29to do in this situation, but
00:24:32besides that, it's clear that a closely coordinated
00:24:38crucially important, uh, that we uh keep each other updated,
00:24:42this applies to both the Nordic countries Europe and between the NATO countries,
00:24:45but are there limits to how much we should put up with? Yes, there are, and that's also what
00:24:49the Russians are.
00:24:55And and and there is, uh, of course, the attempt to see how far one can go, and therefore it is not something
00:24:58that Denmark as a nation alone should go through alone, it is
00:25:01crucially important, and what uh can scare
00:25:04the Russians is NATO and NATO unity, and therefore it is
00:25:08important that we stand shoulder to shoulder on this issue, but do you think we
00:25:11should we activate Article 4, where we
00:25:14announce that we are a country that has been uh
00:25:18not under attack, but where we can no longer stand alone in this threat? Well,
00:25:21so, it is a Russian military vessel firing
00:25:25at a Danish military helicopter, um, and it may well be
00:25:29that it is not with traditional military
00:25:32weapons being used, but nonetheless, it is very, very serious,
00:25:35uh, and therefore it is entirely appropriate that
00:25:38the ambassador is brought in for a conversation, and furthermore, that there is
00:25:42close cooperation between the other defense nations in
00:25:46coordinating this issue, precisely because it is not merely a matter of...
00:25:50an attack against a Danish military helicopter, it is also an attack
00:25:54near the Polish border, it is several places we have
00:25:57seen that they are testing boundaries, but what is next then, more
00:26:00sanctions? "Well, now I'm going to a
00:26:04military-technical briefing in the
00:26:07Ministry of Defense, and then the most important thing is that we stand
00:26:10together, there's no doubt that the Russians are of course hoping that there are countries in Europe that
00:26:14start to blink. What do you think Russia would have done if the scenario
00:26:18had been reversed, a Danish ship that had fired
00:26:22flares or distress flares uh at a Russian helicopter,
00:26:25well, I can't answer that, it's hypothetical, but it doesn't change the fact
00:26:29that we don't make such provocations. Uh,
00:26:32but it's the Russians who are the aggressor, and it wouldn't come naturally
00:26:36to us to do that, and therefore it is crucial that
00:26:40we now stand together against the pressure they are trying to
00:26:43create.
00:26:50Yes, that's Thomas Danielsen, whom we now see going into the
00:26:53Ministry of Defense, it's inner city, it's close to Kongens
00:26:56Nytorv, where the Ministry of Defense is located, he is one of the members of the
00:27:00defense agreement group, who will now go in and get a professional
00:27:03military briefing, that's what Jeppebros the defense minister said, here
00:27:07in the studio, I also have the company of our defense correspondent Mads
00:27:10Korsager, glad you are also sitting with Niels Fastrup and me Niels
00:27:13Fastrup who is an investigative journalist, and right now we are just
00:27:17broadcasting, because we are following what is happening here, following the political
00:27:20reactions, so we must of course get all the
00:27:22information out, as we can about the incident that also
00:27:26happened last night, where there was a Russian frigate,
00:27:30which uh, which...
00:27:32fired so-called flares at a Danish
00:27:36helicopter, luckily no one was harmed,
00:27:39but that's what we are going to talk about now,
00:27:43and I would like to start by asking you Mads, because we hear from the politicians here, yes
00:27:47we must stand together, and I have also noticed that they really
00:27:50stand together, that is, they are just holding hands, now we are going
00:27:53to one of the members again, an increased intensity of provocations from
00:27:57Russia, this is not an exception, and we must handle this with the
00:28:01utmost seriousness we possibly can. Can you be sure of the explanation that has
00:28:04been given so far, that is, can you be sure that the Danish helicopter
00:28:08has not provoked, for example, and come close to the
00:28:11frigate? I assume that the Danish helicopter
00:28:15has adhered to the rules in this area, uh,
00:28:18and whether that is the case, I will hear in a moment when I go in to the minister, but I
00:28:22strongly expect that. Don't you think that Russia has soon crossed a line for what the Danish
00:28:26society should tolerate? This is an obvious
00:28:29escalation, uh, and we have seen a series of. uh
00:28:33situations, incidents lately, which are an obvious escalation from
00:28:36the Russian side, and we must be very careful about how we respond
00:28:40to it, both from NATO's perspective, but also with our European
00:28:43glasses on, and we must coordinate very closely with our European neighbors,
00:28:47our Nordic neighbors, how we handle this, but should it have a real consequence that one can feel
00:28:51and touch? Now I just want to hear what the minister says first, and then
00:28:54we'll take it from there, but isn't there
00:28:57a point that the Russians keep pushing these boundaries
00:29:01while the Western countries. including Denmark, just sit back and
00:29:04accept it. This is designed to
00:29:08test our reactions from the Russian side. Uh, and
00:29:12challenge how far they can actually go, while
00:29:16they try to expose NATO's
00:29:19weaknesses, at least in their eyes, and we must be very
00:29:22careful about how we respond to it, we must stay within the rules and frameworks
00:29:26that apply in this area, so we do not unnecessarily escalate
00:29:29anything, and at the same time we must coordinate very closely to... ensure
00:29:33a better overview of what is happening in our waters and in our airspace, and
00:29:37have a clear understanding with each other of how we react to these
00:29:40provocations. But what do you think would have happened if it was the other way around, and
00:29:44Russia had been exposed to a Western country that had sent a
00:29:47flare at them, how do you think they would have reacted? I won't
00:29:50speculate on that, but I don't think we should compare ourselves to Russia when we talk about how we should
00:29:54react to provocations and other things, uh, the Russian
00:29:58way of acting is not a role model in my eyes, now I will be allowed to go in.
00:30:02Now comes, and that was Anne Valentina
00:30:06Bertelsen from SF, and the next one to come is Enger Strøjberg,
00:30:10who is on her way from
00:30:12the Denmark Democrats,
00:30:14and we are standing here because in a moment Jeppe Brus will hold
00:30:18this briefing for the defense spokespersons in the Parliament, who will hear about the
00:30:22incident that happened late last night, where a Danish
00:30:25helicopter was fired at with a kind of distress flare
00:30:29by a Russian ship, as it was photographing. But we are waiting
00:30:32for Enger Støjberg, she is standing, she is stuck, he said
00:30:36in the pedestrian crossing
00:30:38over there, and it will be in a moment that Jeppe Bros, he will just
00:30:41brief, and I guess and expect that it is just the first
00:30:45of a series of meetings that will be about.