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00:00:00the circle is pushing for some of this to be done faster, for example,
00:00:03frigate purchases. Well, you can't just buy a frigate
00:00:07unfortunately, it takes years, and therefore you have to figure out
00:00:11what else we should do, but there is no doubt
00:00:14that the pressure that the Conservative People's Party is putting on this government, as we did on the
00:00:18previous one and the one before that and many years back, is to strengthen the
00:00:22Danish defense. It is really the eleventh hour that we are getting up to speed on
00:00:25this. Good, so when do you expect
00:00:29something completely
00:00:32yesterday, and the message after today's meeting is concrete to happen that makes it so that next time we have such an incident, we are
00:00:34perhaps better able to respond in some way instead?
00:00:38You can't attack a Russian frigate, but are we well
00:00:41enough equipped to react in the situation? Well, I
00:00:45think that the Danish defense, with the means and the resources available,
00:00:49has an understanding of what needs to be done
00:00:52in concrete situations, including this dangerous situation we have just
00:00:55experienced, so I am not worried about that. Everyone knows what they need to
00:00:59do. But I am worried that the Russians will continue
00:01:02to threaten us. That,
00:01:06we really need to crack down on this time.
00:01:10Yes, the future will show. Thank you for
00:01:13that. And now we will hear from Foreign Minister Lars Løkke
00:01:16Rasmussen. We caught him at Christiansborg as he was on his way into
00:01:20the group meeting. Yes, well, we take it very seriously, and
00:01:24we naturally also share this information with our allies, who
00:01:27also experience Russian
00:01:31escalation in various ways. That is, recently we saw drone attacks on trains
00:01:34on the Ukrainian-Polish border, so overall we see a
00:01:38Russia that is escalating the situation, and we take that very, very seriously, and it is
00:01:42also something that I think is serious enough by just inviting them to a
00:01:44conversation, and taking that trip again, so why
00:01:48not be a bit stronger either in the rhetoric or in another way of doing
00:01:51it? Well, I think I am pretty sharp in the rhetoric, so
00:01:55calling in ambassadors for a conversation,
00:01:58that is a tool in the diplomatic toolbox, and I agree
00:02:02that we have a situation with Russia where we often have to pick it up, but
00:02:06that does not change the fact that it is the way one
00:02:09can express to another country how one
00:02:13views matters, so we do that, and it will be
00:02:16in a sharp tone,
00:02:19and then there is also a continuous close coordination among
00:02:23our allies. I noticed there was a debate this morning about,
00:02:26do we involve them? Of course we do, so there is
00:02:30a close communication, just as we also from the Danish side
00:02:33follow the other situations that are unfolding,
00:02:37and all this paints a picture of a Russia that
00:02:41escalates and that tests
00:02:44our our solidarity, and that is
00:02:48intact. All of this serves the sole purpose from the Russian side of trying
00:02:52to make us withdraw from our Ukraine support, and that will not happen.
00:02:56What has ever changed when an ambassador or foreign minister has been given a telling off?
00:03:01You can't answer that, because you would have to ask what would have happened
00:03:05if an ambassador had never been called in for a conversation. That is the
00:03:09tool we have in this world
00:03:12to communicate to foreign countries how we view
00:03:15things, but it cannot stand alone, and the
00:03:19sharpest reaction to this is a Europe that continues,
00:03:22tirelessly, to make the absolutely necessary
00:03:25rearmament and continue our Ukraine support. All of
00:03:29this from the Russian side is an attempt to see if they can create discord among
00:03:33European countries, if they can separate political leaders from
00:03:36the population, if they can make us waver in our support for Ukraine, and that
00:03:40will not happen. Why is it not you, the tools that we have
00:03:44in the box, what do we actually have? We
00:03:46incidents that are not hear that they talk to their European or our European
00:03:50partners, what options do we actually have? Well, that's
00:03:53kind of the problem, so our colleagues naturally and understandably ask
00:03:56these politicians why they don't call
00:04:00NATO either under Article 4 or 5. The problem is, I think,
00:04:03a long, slow, but very that it also entails a risk, because then you do it and
00:04:07nothing really comes of it. So, we've been
00:04:10there before, that you've had these constant situations, and then NATO can also end
00:04:14up looking helpless. I think the fundamental problem here is
00:04:18that we as European constitutional states
00:04:22have very few, we have some economic sanction tools, yes, the
00:04:25diplomatic ones, and then there are ultimately military
00:04:29means we can resort to. Russia, on the other hand, has a
00:04:32long range of gray zone
00:04:35means they can use, where they do something that is kind of military or puts
00:04:39pressure on us or hurts us, but which just stays below
00:04:43that threshold, and that gray zone spectrum, we are very, very
00:04:46bad at responding within for good reasons, actually, because it is not
00:04:50in our nature as a society to go around doing such
00:04:53things, well, I don't even know how to describe it, such
00:04:56gray zone-like military stuff, but that's where Russia
00:05:00constantly pressures us in this gray zone spectrum, and that's where we have difficulty
00:05:03responding, and that's also why we have now, for example, seen a discussion in Germany, where the German
00:05:07intelligence services are starting to get new powers in relation to
00:05:11being able to start and... enter this gray zone spectrum,
00:05:14MI6, the British intelligence service, also recently got
00:05:17similar powers, right? So if we are to respond to this, if it is to hurt
00:05:21Russia to hurt us, then we probably need to get into that gray zone, at least
00:05:25that's what my sources tell me, but it's just very, very difficult, and it's also risky.
00:05:29Why is it, what challenges are there in
00:05:31that? Well, the problem is that
00:05:35this is really, really a dilemma for Danish and European politicians, because if
00:05:39you don't respond to something like what the Russians are doing, if it doesn't
00:05:43hurt the Russians to do what they're doing, then they'll just keep going.
00:05:46Conversely, if you make it hurt the other way, for example in this
00:05:50gray zone spectrum here, then you also don't know what the response
00:05:53will be, whether it will be escalation or what will come
00:05:56the other way, so therefore this situation is extremely difficult
00:06:00for Danish politicians and for European politicians to
00:06:03handle. Now we will hear from someone who
00:06:07will handle it, that is Defense Minister Jeppe
00:06:09Bros, we have asked him some questions in
00:06:13relation to the briefing that the defense spokespersons have been
00:06:17to, so it is located in international waters,
00:06:20uh, the helicopters have a completely legitimate reason to be there
00:06:24also, uh, and it is a normal practice, uh,
00:06:27which is not just a question of how we act, but also how others act in
00:06:31international waters, and how do you ensure that you
00:06:34inform the allies, you keep saying you have to stand together, but how
00:06:38do you do that? Well, we are in close and continuous contact with our
00:06:42allies regarding this incident and other incidents.
00:06:46Yes, Mads, it's not like we're getting much wiser about the incident,
00:06:49I mean, what was the Russian frigate doing
00:06:53in international waters close to Denmark?
00:06:57Why was it that
00:07:00the helicopter flew out and photographed it?
00:07:03I mean, do we photograph all Russian
00:07:06frigates? Yes, we do, as far as possible.
00:07:10Well, the Russian frigate has had many reasons to be there,
00:07:13as Niels Fastu describes, it could be as part of a
00:07:17shadow fleet protection operation, it could be all sorts of
00:07:19other things. It may have been in transit, on its way in
00:07:23and out. There is relatively lively traffic
00:07:27of Russian naval ships in and out of Danish waters, and then there are also
00:07:31those places where they kind of park themselves at a rest area in international
00:07:34waters, and they are allowed to be there, but close to where they
00:07:38might be needed. It could be to sail around and keep an eye on what is happening in Danish
00:07:41waters. It could be to protect the shadow fleet tankers, we
00:07:45don't know, but the fact that the Russians are there, and the fact that
00:07:49Danish units try to physically keep an eye on them, or at least
00:07:52check what it is, does it match what our radar images show us, it is
00:07:56also completely normal.
00:07:59Can one be provoked by being photographed in
00:08:03international waters? No, not
00:08:05really. I mean, one might find it irritating,
00:08:09one might find it inappropriate in
00:08:12relation to the task one has to perform, but the fact that it
00:08:16happens, the Russian frigate captain
00:08:19has experienced that many, many times before. What is interesting here, and what
00:08:23is worth noting, is the way they react.
00:08:26There are many ways to express one's
00:08:30dissatisfaction without having to shoot
00:08:33glowing magnesium balls, which is what comes out of these flares, these
00:08:37signal flares, towards a Danish helicopter. One could
00:08:41have flashed a signal light, one could have called up
00:08:44on VHF Channel 16, which is always open and where one usually
00:08:48communicates. One could even have directed the signal flare
00:08:51away from the Danish helicopter, so one would have achieved the same effect, so it is
00:08:55incredibly interesting, this question of whether it is part of a new
00:08:58pattern of behavior, that is, do they want to secure more operating space and
00:09:02peace to be out there from the Russian side, or is it just, in
00:09:06inverted commas, an isolated incident? Fortunately, no
00:09:10one was injured yesterday. But if that
00:09:13signal flare, which was closer than the other, at least, we have
00:09:17heard from the minister on the helicopter, if it had hit
00:09:20the helicopter with the two to four people in the crew, as you
00:09:24estimate there were in it, what would have happened concretely?
00:09:28Yes, it could have gone potentially horribly wrong. I mean,
00:09:31such signal flares typically shoot with
00:09:35magnesium or another substance, a similar substance, that
00:09:38glows incredibly hot. They can get over 100 degrees hot.
00:09:42Between 1500 and 3000 degrees hot,
00:09:46uh, so it is a, well, a
00:09:49dangerous substance to get into a, uh, such a
00:09:53mechanical object where there are, moreover, uh,
00:09:56high-octane jet fuel and all sorts of things that can
00:10:00catch fire, uh, and then it can hit people, uh, it can also go
00:10:04wrong if it hits such a pilot or someone on board, so these are dangerous
00:10:08things. Just as you shouldn't aim such, uh,
00:10:11family fireworks at each other, because
00:10:15it can be dangerous, yes, you also shouldn't shoot such professional military
00:10:18signal flares at each other, because it can be dangerous. There is a risk. Now we go from the military-technical to
00:10:22the political in this case. We go to you, Christine
00:10:26Kurtsen, you have gone from the Ministry of Defence to
00:10:28Christiansborg, which is not that far, and then you can brief us
00:10:32on what is happening politically right now in this
00:10:34case.
00:10:38The defense spokespersons from
00:10:40the defense agreement parties, and that means all parties except
00:10:43the Red-Green Alliance, the Alternative, and the Citizens' Party, have been to
00:10:47a briefing at the Ministry of Defence,
00:10:50uh, and after that, there is still very strong
00:10:53support for the way the government has handled this case,
00:10:57but factually we didn't get much
00:11:00wiser, because such a briefing is
00:11:03confidential, uh, and what needs to be said about what concretely
00:11:07happened, that's not something the parties go out and say,
00:11:11it comes from the government, if we get more information, but
00:11:14for now, there is very, very strong support for the way the government
00:11:18has handled this, and very
00:11:21strong broad political concern about the way the Russians
00:11:25react, yes, and the broad political
00:11:28support, we can certainly say that's not in all cases,
00:11:32and there were every opportunity today to go out
00:11:35from the opposition party and say: listen here, we support, we
00:11:39will not escalate anything at all, but we simply
00:11:42think that one should act in such and such a way,
00:11:46why is there no such signal
00:11:49from the opposition parties,
00:11:50Christine?
00:11:53Well, I actually think that should be taken as an expression of how
00:11:57seriously this situation is viewed, I mean, it is
00:12:00like this in Denmark, that when there is
00:12:04something that is very serious on the foreign policy,
00:12:07security policy scene, then the
00:12:10parties actually stand very broadly together, uh, to
00:12:13support the government,
00:12:16uh, that kind of opposition politics, I think we
00:12:20would see if the parties took it less
00:12:23seriously than they do. So, so it's probably an expression
00:12:27of the fact that they actually think this is a serious
00:12:30situation, and they are concerned about what
00:12:33Russia's intentions are with this constant attempt to
00:12:37poke at the NATO countries, what is
00:12:40behind it, what can they, what can they
00:12:43come up with? Yes, Christine, you are standing there completely still, I
00:12:47think there were several school classes that walked behind you quietly,
00:12:51some visitors inside Christiansborg, Christine, so one could
00:12:54well imagine being a fly on the wall, both of course at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and
00:12:57the Ministry of Defense, but also at the Prime Minister's Office, because who does Mette
00:13:01Frederiksen, the Prime Minister, call in such a situation, I mean,
00:13:05does she just pick up the phone and call Macron and say: listen
00:13:09here, or is it the EU system,
00:13:12is it NATO, what does one do?
00:13:15Well, it's important to say, we don't know exactly what she has
00:13:19done, but in such a situation, a Prime Minister like Mette Frederiksen, who has been
00:13:22Prime Minister for many, many
00:13:26years, she has the mobile numbers of the other NATO countries'
00:13:30government leaders in the EU system, and one must
00:13:33almost assume that they have talked to each other, uh,
00:13:37to, on the one hand, inform the other
00:13:40countries directly about what exactly has happened in
00:13:44Denmark, but also, of course, to
00:13:47discuss what kind of situation we are in with
00:13:51Russia, how should we interpret this, how should we
00:13:54analyze? It's not just happening in Denmark, but
00:13:57also in other countries, it was only a couple of days
00:14:01ago that a Russian drone
00:14:05attacked a train very close to Poland's border, and there are always
00:14:08these small
00:14:11serious enough to activate the whole big NATO apparatus,
00:14:15but nevertheless are experienced as
00:14:19repeated provocations from Russia's side, and
00:14:23even though everyday life continues
00:14:25inside Christiansborg, Christine, can one still feel it on a day like today, or
00:14:29how can one feel that this still makes the front page, or at least
00:14:32changes the priorities inside
00:14:36Christiansborg?
00:14:39Yes, you can see it, for example, in the fact that when
00:14:43we want reactions from the parties, it is
00:14:46the party leaders who go out in this situation for almost
00:14:50all parties, you don't just send a spokesperson out,
00:14:54not to say anything against spokespersons, but it says something about that this is
00:14:57at the highest level, it is the party leaders who go
00:15:01out and react on social media, it is the party leaders who give
00:15:04interviews with the media, uh, because
00:15:08this is a very, very serious matter, and that
00:15:12is something there is very broad political agreement on. Yes, that was our
00:15:16political correspondent, Christine Kurtsen, whom we will return
00:15:19to as soon as we have a news update ready, which will be
00:15:22soon, so don't go anywhere.
00:15:28in the studio, so we'll hear from them too, so stay
00:15:30tuned.
00:15:50Yes, welcome to representatives from all parties in the Danish Parliament have this
00:15:54morning been briefed at the Ministry of Defense. This
00:15:58follows a Russian frigate firing signal flares at one of
00:16:02the defense's helicopters. The incident took place in international
00:16:06waters off the coast of Gesser
00:16:09that the Parliament stands united. I believe
00:16:12the government is acting completely correctly in this matter, uh, and
00:16:16that it just proves that we must continue to
00:16:20rearm, it proves that we must stand together
00:16:24in the Parliament, and there must not be a piece of paper to be put
00:16:27between the parties in the Parliament, uh, when it comes
00:16:31to our rejection of Russia,
00:16:34and we will strengthen surveillance, we will not retreat, that's
00:16:38the important signal, and it's also important to say that we are not activating Articles
00:16:41four and five, uh, and in the Danish People's Party, we agree with the government not
00:16:45to do that. No, Article 4, that's where you formally call the member states for
00:16:49uh, for a consultation, and why is that too much? We don't think we're
00:16:53there yet, and it's also important for us to maintain calm and not escalate towards
00:16:57the Russians, but that we, in parallel with that, have informal
00:17:00conversations with our NATO allies, both to
00:17:04express, to get them to express support, but also...
00:17:08uh, to have a dialogue about what, what we do together, I think that's the right
00:17:10level. Defense Minister Jeppe Bros
00:17:13said after the meeting that the government views the incident with great
00:17:17seriousness, and as part of a larger pattern, where Russia shows more
00:17:21risk-taking. You have had all
00:17:24the agreement parties' spokespersons in for a briefing today,
00:17:26how has what happened tonight been received? Well, I
00:17:30think everyone views what happened yesterday afternoon with great
00:17:33seriousness, and uh, takes the situation seriously, but
00:17:37also with the signal that we
00:17:40naturally see what has happened as unacceptable.
00:17:44Normally, when something like this happens, the parties in an agreement rally
00:17:47together, and that's what you experience here, total
00:17:51support and a rejection, that it is of course
00:17:54completely unacceptable, yes, and not just for the parties in
00:17:58the defense agreement, but actually for the entire parliament, I would like to say. So what happens
00:18:02now? We hear that the Russian ambassador is going to
00:18:05the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, what will he know? Well,
00:18:09our Foreign Minister has summoned the Russian ambassador, and that
00:18:13is of course with the clear message uh, that what
00:18:17happened yesterday, uh, is completely unacceptable. What do you expect
00:18:20the answer will be? Do you expect him to say yes, that's right, or do you expect him to say, well, I
00:18:24don't know anything about that, that's not something we have orchestrated
00:18:28from the Russian government's side. Yes, but I won't speculate.
00:18:31Yes, I have to go in. Yes, that was the
00:18:35Defense Minister, and now to the Foreign Minister.
00:18:39He insists that the best Denmark can do right now is to
00:18:42summon Russia's ambassador for a conversation.
00:18:46Well, I think I'm pretty sharp in the rhetoric. I mean, calling
00:18:49in ambassadors for a conversation, that's a tool in
00:18:53the diplomatic toolbox, and I agree that we have a situation with
00:18:57Russia where we often have to pick it up, but that doesn't change the fact that
00:19:00it's the way one can communicate
00:19:04to another country how one views matters. Uh,
00:19:07so we do that, and it will be in a sharp
00:19:11tone, uh, and then there is also a continuous
00:19:14close coordination among our allies. Uh, I noticed there was a debate
00:19:18this morning about, I mean, do we involve them? Of course we do,
00:19:22I mean, there is a close communication,
00:19:25just as we also from the Danish side follow the other
00:19:28situations that are unfolding, and all this paints
00:19:32a picture of a Russia that uh escalates and that
00:19:36tests our our
00:19:39solidarity, and that is intact. I mean, all this serves
00:19:43the sole purpose from the Russian side of trying to make us withdraw
00:19:47from our Ukraine support.
00:19:51Yes, Christine Kurtsen, our political correspondent, Lars Løkke Rasmussen has
00:19:54found the diplomatic toolbox here.
00:19:57Why isn't it a bigger toolbox he has brought
00:20:01out than a conversation with the Russian
00:20:03ambassador?
00:20:07Well, I think it's because they're not interested in
00:20:10escalating the situation further, and you also have to keep
00:20:14some things in reserve, if something
00:20:16more serious happens, because the feeling right now
00:20:19is that Russia is
00:20:22repeatedly provoking around the
00:20:25NATO countries, and then it's good to have something in reserve if something
00:20:29more serious should happen, and from
00:20:32several party leaders in the Parliament, there is also support for
00:20:35the government's handling of the incident.
00:20:37We must show the Russians
00:20:41that we will not tolerate the way they behave,
00:20:44conversely, this is also a balanced
00:20:48approach that must be taken. Uh, I also agree that one should not
00:20:52use Article 4 of NATO to hold a
00:20:55consultation, as some argue one should,
00:20:59but this emphasizes the importance,
00:21:02the necessity, of rearming. This is an
00:21:05escalation from the Putin regime's side, which we must take deeply
00:21:08seriously. Should we try to retaliate in kind? I mean, we must
00:21:12of course try to avoid an escalation, that is very important to
00:21:16us, but at the same time, it is also, I mean, at the same time, it is incredibly important that we show that this
00:21:20does not split Europe, that we stand together, that is the way Putin's regime acts,
00:21:24they would like European countries to stay out of the war they are waging in Ukraine, they would
00:21:28like us to stay out of what is happening in the Baltic Sea, and therefore the most important thing is
00:21:31actually just that we do not change our behavior, that the next time there is a Russian
00:21:35frigate or similar, well, then we must continue to
00:21:38reconnoiter and monitor the area, and in that way
00:21:41show the Russians that we will not be intimidated by this, yes,
00:21:45now we heard only some of the politicians, it is a Danish
00:21:48Parliament that stands together. Here Christine, what kind of
00:21:51signal?
00:21:54Well, it's a signal that this situation is taken very seriously
00:21:58very broadly, and generally the
00:22:02repeated provocations,
00:22:04hybrid attacks, more or less successful from Russia's
00:22:07side, are taken very, very seriously, and then it is like that in the
00:22:11Danish democratic system that when there is a foreign or security policy
00:22:15situation that is considered very serious, there is a
00:22:18tradition of standing together and supporting the government, then
00:22:22one can always discuss later.
00:22:26Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has reacted in a written
00:22:29comment. She writes: It speaks for itself
00:22:32that it is very serious when a Russian frigate yesterday fired so-called
00:22:36flares at one of the defense's helicopters. But it is unfortunately
00:22:40not surprising, because it is part of it pattern we see throughout
00:22:43Europe, with an increasingly aggressive and assertive
00:22:46Russia, which has intensified hybrid warfare against Europe.
00:22:50and which tests and challenges NATO. Russia wants to
00:22:53scare and sow discord. Our answer is to stand closer together and
00:22:57strengthen the defense of Denmark and Europe, as the Prime Minister says
00:23:01today.
00:23:05Yes, and here, we see one of the defense's Fenik helicopters on a previous
00:23:09exercise. It was precisely a helicopter of this type,
00:23:12which the Russian frigate yesterday shot at with signal
00:23:16flares. This happened when the helicopter was routinely
00:23:19taking pictures of the Russian frigate in
00:23:23international waters off Gæsser. According to the defense,
00:23:26one signal flare passed close by the
00:23:30helicopter. Niels Fastrup, investigative journalist here at
00:23:33DR, and Mads Korsær, defense correspondent. And Mads
00:23:37Korsær, what answers do you lack
00:23:40about yesterday's incident before we can fully interpret
00:23:43the case? What is incredibly interesting here is,
00:23:47is this part of a new
00:23:51operational pattern from the Russian side, that is, the fact that there are Russian
00:23:54warships or close to Danish waters, also frigates, it
00:23:58happens every single day, or at least all the time, and there are also always
00:24:01units from the Danish defense out to keep an eye on them, keep a physical track
00:24:05of, well, what we see on our radar images, does it fit, what kind
00:24:09of vessel are we dealing with here, so this is
00:24:13a choreographed dance that happens often, now there has been an
00:24:16unusual incident here, which stands out very, very
00:24:20violently, because it is a confrontational incident, and what we need to keep an eye on is,
00:24:23well, is this a new way of behaving from the Russian
00:24:27side, or is it actually just, so to speak, an
00:24:30accident? Niels Fastrup, you have exposed the
00:24:33Russian shadow fleet in and around Danish
00:24:37waters, is this the new normal, i.e., such
00:24:40incidents as this, is this something we
00:24:43should be prepared for, that it will become a part of our
00:24:47daily life, what is your model? Yes, I actually think unfortunately. We must,
00:24:50that is, it has been
00:24:53clear escalation now
00:24:57since 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine,
00:25:01where Russia has constantly escalated the things they
00:25:04did, and most recently, for example, we also saw down in Leipzig, where it was, where military
00:25:08explosives were used, it fortunately did not explode, but it was used
00:25:11in an operation on NATO territory, so there is this
00:25:15upward escalation movement unfortunately, so
00:25:18I certainly think so, yes. But Mads, we haven't heard from the
00:25:22Russian side yet, we would like to talk to Russia's ambassador,
00:25:26Ladimir Barbin, but we haven't, so could this in any
00:25:29way have been an, uh, that the Russians saw it as a
00:25:32provocation, could it have been an accident from the Russian side? We don't
00:25:36know for good reasons, I mean, if the Russian side had
00:25:40wanted and had wished to communicate with the Danish helicopter, that it should
00:25:43keep its distance or just stay away, they could have done it
00:25:46in many other ways, uh, and that is probably
00:25:50what tells us that this should be seen as part of a general escalation
00:25:54on many different fronts, also close to
00:25:57Denmark's territory, so what one can say here is, well, uhm, this
00:26:01week, NATO's combined military leadership will actually
00:26:04meet in Copenhagen,
00:26:07including the American supreme commander of the entire alliance,
00:26:11they will meet in the Bella Center on Friday and Saturday, and one can say, well, now
00:26:15we are here asking what should we do, how should NATO
00:26:19react, among other things, this could be a good opportunity for them to have
00:26:23a talk in the Bella Center this weekend, which we
00:26:27are looking at, thank you both,
00:26:29this is of course a story
00:26:33that we follow and update when there is news, but now let's take a look
00:26:36at today's other
00:26:38news.
00:26:43In the Netherlands, the railway operator Pro
00:26:47Rail suspects that sabotage is to blame for disruptions
00:26:50in train traffic in the middle of rush hour this morning. Objects were found
00:26:54on the tracks, it is said. It is not immediately stated
00:26:57what objects are involved, or who is
00:27:00suspected of being behind the sabotage.
00:27:05Two 16-year-old boys have been charged with murder of a 25-year-old who died
00:27:08after a stabbing in Tilst on May 16th. This
00:27:12is announced by the prosecution at East Jutland police. In
00:27:15advance, four other young men are imprisoned in the case. The two
00:27:1816-year-olds will be brought before the court in
00:27:22Aarhus this morning. Now we go to the USA, where the
00:27:26Supreme Court rejects Trump's attempt to tighten the rules for
00:27:29mail-in ballots. Trump signed a decree in the spring, which
00:27:33among other things required that ballots only be sent out
00:27:36to voters who were on special lists of
00:27:39mail-in voters in the individual states.
00:27:42At the same time, the president wanted the envelopes to be equipped with tracking, but the
00:27:46Supreme Court has now rejected this. The case has great
00:27:49significance for the midterm election in November, as almost a third of American
00:27:52voters vote by mail, AP writes.
00:27:55AP.
00:28:00Two out of three children and young people between nine and 17 years old have in the past year been
00:28:04exposed to digital violations or other unpleasant
00:28:07experiences online here at home. This is shown by a new survey from Save
00:28:11the Children and Trygfonden, which maps the extent of 12 different
00:28:15forms of digital violations.
00:28:18Most of the time it's on Snapchat, where there are random people who add me, and then sometimes
00:28:21I say yes to it to see if it's someone I know, and then it just ends up with them sending
00:28:25nude pictures and all sorts of things, there are also just a lot who have contacted me, and then it's also just videos
00:28:29of dead animals and car accidents and things like that. I was
00:28:32contacted by some of my friends' friends,
00:28:35um, and then they started writing a lot of unpleasant things, and
00:28:39like, I didn't know them, so I didn't really know what to
00:28:43do. The digital violations and unpleasant
00:28:46online experiences range from serious crimes, such as grooming
00:28:50attempts from adult strangers, to gross comments and harassment from
00:28:53peers. Save the Children has previously conducted similar
00:28:57surveys, and here the number has increased massively from 42%, that was
00:29:01in 2021 to now 66% this year.
00:29:04These experiences can have serious consequences. It shifts
00:29:08children and young people's ideas about what they themselves are worth, what others are
00:29:11worth. It can challenge their ideas about what boundaries they
00:29:14have, and because some of what the survey shows is that children
00:29:18to a higher degree consider some of this to be a condition of being
00:29:21online, we are actually also concerned about the gradual
00:29:24shift in their boundaries, which is associated with it. And
00:29:28the results of the survey are also serious, as Save the Children states.
00:29:33It is such that the majority of children and young people in Denmark
00:29:37between 9 and 17 years old, who in the past year have had a very
00:29:40unpleasant experience online, and that is everything from
00:29:44adults reaching out and perhaps, for example, sending
00:29:48intimate pictures, there are some who try to blackmail them, there are some who speak
00:29:51very badly to them, or they, for example, see a video of someone being
00:29:55killed or of animals being abused, I actually think
00:29:58that most adults, even though we know that it is
00:30:02hardcore what is happening in children and teenagers'
00:30:06feeds, even though we know that, I still think we would be surprised,
00:30:09would be surprised if we knew how wild it actually is,
00:30:13uh, and that calls in the highest degree for
00:30:16action from us adults, and us
00:30:19adults and that action, where should it come from, is it the
00:30:22politicians, is it the providers, who
00:30:25is it? Well, there is absolutely nothing to suggest
00:30:29that the tech giants themselves will take on this responsibility.
00:30:32"On the contrary, they earn money by having a behavioral design that steals
00:30:36children and young people's time and attention, and also some content that
00:30:40is, uh, deeply unpleasant, uh, they have
00:30:43had every opportunity to take on the responsibility, they haven't done it, and therefore we naturally
00:30:47need political regulation, uh, now there will be
00:30:51a law that you must be 15 years old to be on
00:30:54social media, that's a good first step, there is also a lot
00:30:58else that needs to be done.