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00:00:40Good afternoon everyone and thank you to those who
00:00:43are watching us live. Well,
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00:00:50networks and TV channel
00:00:52and the YouTube channel. Well, today we are talking
00:00:56about the main thing, about the war, about
00:00:59how, in fact, in Ukraine, they are trying
00:01:02to overcome the institutional crisis. We are talking
00:01:06about the resignation of the Prosecutor General
00:01:08of Ukraine and we are talking about his possible
00:01:12successors. The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine went on
00:01:15a 26-day break in plenary sessions, that is, they
00:01:19will work in committees, but there are no plenary sessions. A lot
00:01:22of acute questions were and remain for
00:01:26the country, as I have already said, a financial
00:01:29crisis, about which the Prime Minister of Ukraine spoke, well,
00:01:33and personnel appointments. Who will be the new Prosecutor General, who will be
00:01:36the new head of the Security Service of Ukraine? All these questions remain
00:01:40open. And to our broadcast, to talk about all these
00:01:44topics and about the work of the parliament, including all these
00:01:47challenges, we will talk about this with the People's Deputy of Ukraine, the First
00:01:50Deputy Head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on
00:01:54Law Enforcement Activities, Andriy Osachuk, our
00:02:03start with the resignation of the Prosecutor General:
00:02:05317 votes were cast for the resignation
00:02:09of the prosecutor, but without the report of the Prosecutor General himself.
00:02:12The Prosecutor General went on a business trip and it is not a fact that he
00:02:16will return to Ukraine.
00:02:19What is happening in the current situation with
00:02:22the Prosecutor General's Office and with possible
00:02:26candidates for the position of Prosecutor General? The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
00:02:30has a 26-day break in plenary sessions. Does this
00:02:33mean that for a month Ukraine, in
00:02:36Ukraine, will not have a full-fledged Prosecutor General
00:02:40of Ukraine? By the way, there is still no full-fledged
00:02:43head of the Security Service
00:03:00the resignation of the Prosecutor General. Again,
00:03:04for some reason, many media outlets still write that the Verkhovna Rada appoints and dismisses
00:03:07the Prosecutor General. This is not true, according to the constitution, we only give
00:03:10consent. But I think such a large number
00:03:14of those who voted for it is explained by the fact
00:03:17that no one wants in any
00:03:21way
00:03:23to associate themselves with at least some involvement
00:03:26in the history of Carthage
00:03:30and generally with everything that happened in the Prosecutor General's Office.
00:03:34Today it can be stated that Mr. Kravchenko simply
00:03:37plunged into chaos not just
00:03:40the Prosecutor General's Office, but probably the entire prosecutor's system.
00:03:42It is already reliably known, and we
00:03:46received an official document in the Committee
00:03:49on Law Enforcement Activities, that when he
00:03:51went on his so-called business trip,
00:03:55he absolutely deliberately did not
00:03:57officially assign the duties of the Prosecutor General to
00:04:01any person in the Prosecutor General's Office. He understood
00:04:04very well that his first deputy had already resigned, and he understood
00:04:07very well the legal consequences, and in fact, for a few
00:04:11days, the Prosecutor General's Office was practically not
00:04:15headed by anyone. Mr. Krym, one of
00:04:18the deputies, according to the distribution
00:04:21of powers, should have acted as the first
00:04:24deputy, who, in theory, should have
00:04:28acted as the Prosecutor General.
00:04:30But Mr. Krym took upon himself only some
00:04:33administrative functions for these few days,
00:04:36and actually refused, or considered that there were no legal
00:04:40grounds for him to become acting Prosecutor General. But that is already in
00:04:43the past, because the president, using
00:04:46his specific right, provided for by special
00:04:50legislation for the period of martial law,
00:04:52appointed an acting official. So now
00:04:56the system is more or less manageable.
00:05:00I was one of those who, probably one of the first,
00:05:04expressed the hypothesis that Kravchenko might not return,
00:05:08because if you put together all his statements and all
00:05:11the circumstances of his trip, then
00:05:14it is clear that this was probably more
00:05:17of an escape, and this is a colossal blow to
00:05:20the reputation of the prosecutor's office, to the reputation
00:05:24of the President of Ukraine and to the reputation of Ukraine
00:05:27as a state that on the one hand is fighting a fifth
00:05:31year of a terribly difficult war, and on the other hand
00:05:34is trying to explain to everyone that we are promoting the best
00:05:37standards of democracy and moving towards the European
00:05:41Union. I remind everyone this whole week
00:05:44that the scandal around Kravchenko is happening at
00:05:47a time when Ukraine is negotiating the first negotiation
00:05:51cluster with the European Union, which
00:05:54is called "fundamentals", the foundations of the European Union, and
00:05:58there it is precisely about democracy, about the rule of law, about
00:06:02the judicial system. And a worse
00:06:05scenario for the development
00:06:07of negotiations than what we are currently seeing in the Prosecutor General's Office,
00:06:11well, it's hard to imagine. I have no doubt
00:06:15that the negotiation process will be significantly
00:06:18slowed down due to this, and here again, there will be no need
00:06:21to look for any specific positions of Hungary or
00:06:25Slovakia or anyone else. Here, as a year
00:06:28ago, when there was an attack on NABU and SAP, Ukraine, so to speak,
00:06:32managed it itself. Therefore,
00:06:35the consequences, I think, are
00:06:48the media, but I will repeat it here, I have no
00:06:51doubts that if Zelensky's fifth prosecutor is appointed by
00:06:55analogy with all previous four, then the
00:06:58fifth will end up the same way as all the previous ones. All the previous ones, I remind you,
00:07:02left office with a scandal. The only
00:07:05difference in the resignations of all these prosecutors is that with each time
00:07:08the scandals became bigger and bigger, and... I
00:07:12think the only way to avoid them is to at least make
00:07:16some attempt to select
00:07:18candidates, and again, I do not share
00:07:22the rhetoric of some of my colleagues, who talk about some open
00:07:26competitions, and so on, well, they have learned to say a lot
00:07:29of things. According to the constitution, it is the sovereign right
00:07:33of the President of Ukraine to propose a candidate to the Verkhovna Rada and
00:07:36to appoint him, but we already have
00:07:40precedents when the President's Office creates
00:07:42some special advisory bodies for personnel
00:07:45selection, for example, as it was
00:07:48with the attempt to find a candidate for
00:07:51the International Criminal Court in The Hague, well, it also
00:07:54ended in a scandal, but at least there was an attempt to make such
00:07:58a procedure, and I have been proposing for several days
00:08:01to the President's Office to lead this process, to create
00:08:04some advisory commission, it can be called
00:08:08a competition, international experts can be included, again,
00:08:12but... so that we all see that candidates for the position
00:08:15of Prosecutor General are not selected somewhere behind the scenes, but
00:08:19that this is a process of selecting professional people.
00:08:22I remain an optimist, I believe that in the prosecutor's system
00:08:26and in the legal profession of Ukraine there are strong and
00:08:29powerful people who might agree to perform this
00:08:32role, but they need to be provided with normal conditions and again
00:08:36a normal selection system needs to be created, let
00:08:39them select not one, but three, for example, candidates for the president.
00:08:43But so that we all see how this happens, how interviews take place, what
00:08:47documents are submitted, and let the president
00:08:50choose someone from the previously selected people. Mr.
00:08:54Andriy, how can this be done legally, how can this be done legally?
00:08:57You mentioned that some of your colleagues, parliamentarians, are calling
00:09:01for a bill 15343
00:09:04to be registered in the Verkhovna Rada,
00:09:07and it introduces precisely such a transparent competitive procedure
00:09:10for selecting a person for the position of Prosecutor General of Ukraine. You are talking about
00:09:14the fact that a commission can be created, that is, according to the law, and
00:09:18what is needed to act on your proposal, and
00:09:21again, if this draft law, which
00:09:25is currently registered, if the parliamentarians vote
00:09:28for it, how much time will it take
00:09:31to introduce the competition, that is, what
00:09:34is faster, what is more transparent,
00:09:37simpler to do, and most importantly, is there
00:09:41political will for this, because if there was political will
00:09:44from the president for this after all the scandals, then
00:09:48perhaps in the West they would also look at this situation, saying
00:09:52that the situation is improving, and one can
00:09:55somehow continue working?
00:09:58I have been reflecting for a long time on the fact that
00:10:01in recent years the word "reform" has acquired a slightly
00:10:04different meaning than it did 10-20 years
00:10:08ago. Now, mostly under the word "reform,"
00:10:11one should understand the struggle for political
00:10:14control over this or that body. Some of my colleagues submit
00:10:18various bills, but there is no doubt that the President's
00:10:22Office and the "Servant of the People" will not allow
00:10:25these bills to pass. On the other hand, we discussed
00:10:29this in the Law Enforcement Committee, there is generally no clear understanding of what
00:10:33the European Union expects from us when it talks about reforms in
00:10:37the prosecutor's system itself, because primarily it was about
00:10:40restoring competitions for regional
00:10:44prosecutors, those that were cancelled last
00:10:47year, precisely under Kravchenko, and this is what the acting
00:10:51Prosecutor General is talking about. What I
00:10:54am saying does not require any legislative changes, so it
00:10:57can be done quickly. The President of Ukraine can approve
00:11:01all this with his internal order or
00:11:04decree, and this process can be launched. This is the fastest
00:11:08option, because again, passing through the Verkhovna Rada
00:11:11any procedure, on the one hand, raises questions of
00:11:14constitutionality, and on the other hand, you see how long
00:11:18it all takes. Now, again, you seemed to say
00:11:22that the Verkhovna Rada announced a break. No, no one announced anything, this was
00:11:26such a calendar plan, because for the next three weeks there are
00:11:29some European events, something in the Council of Europe, and so on, but
00:11:33I fully share the rejection of such a work
00:11:36schedule, because when we all say that a large number
00:11:40of Ukraine's obligations, for which we are given money, are hanging, and the Verkhovna
00:11:44Rada is not meeting, and will not meet for almost three weeks, this is probably very
00:11:48wrong. But returning to the office, to
00:11:51the situation in the Prosecutor General's Office, I
00:11:55think the fastest option is for
00:11:58the president to regulate all this with his internal
00:12:01documents and at least approximately legalize or
00:12:04normalize the competition process, because you understand, all
00:12:08previous candidates, they actually went through a competition, because
00:12:11what is a competition? It is an interview, it is checking
00:12:14the person's past, it is
00:12:17recommendations. Well, you understand that Zelensky himself has never
00:12:21worked in the law enforcement system, especially in the prosecutor's office. Accordingly,
00:12:25someone recommended all the candidates to him, interviews
00:12:28were conducted somehow, so in one way or another, some elements of the competition were
00:12:32always present with them. But if we do not normalize all this, if we do not
00:12:35make all this transparent, if we do not increase at least some
00:12:39trust in the integrity of the candidates being
00:12:42chosen, then, as I have already said, with
00:12:45a huge probability, everything will end
00:12:49up the way Kravchenko's story ended, although it has not
00:12:52ended yet. I watch with horror
00:12:55as my prediction that he will not return comes true,
00:12:59but I wait with even greater horror for his further political
00:13:02activity, which may be directed directly against
00:13:05the interests of Ukraine, and this will generally be some kind of horror.
00:13:09Mr. Andriy, given the situation around
00:13:13Ruslan Kravchenko, who, by the way, was the prosecutor
00:13:17in the trial of Yanukovych, where
00:13:19the issue of treason was considered, or where, in fact,
00:13:23Viktor Yanukovych was declared a state traitor, with
00:13:27a good background was Ruslan
00:13:30Kravchenko, and then suddenly this whole
00:13:33story unfolds with the Carthage special operations
00:13:37of NABU and SAP. It seems that what
00:13:40happened next, or what happened in parallel between
00:13:44the Prosecutor General's Office and NABU, was
00:13:47a confrontation between certain
00:13:49defendants in the
00:13:52Carthage case and accordingly
00:13:55both NABU and SAP tried in this situation to protect
00:13:58themselves from the Prosecutor General's Office, because there were
00:14:02cases against detectives, they followed detectives, made
00:14:06some conclusions. Is there
00:14:10a systemic institutional crisis between
00:14:13different institutions here, and perhaps it will not be enough
00:14:17to just have the next Prosecutor General go through
00:14:20a competition, that this kind of story
00:14:23can also repeat itself, given these old
00:14:27conflicts and the conflicts we are currently
00:14:29seeing?
00:14:32I think I have repeatedly said this year,
00:14:35meaning the year that has passed since July 22
00:14:39of last year, when there was a so-called conspiracy against
00:14:41NABU and SAP, that it always seemed to me that
00:14:45a lot of people who stood behind this process, they
00:14:49always believed that they lost that battle, but they did not
00:14:52lose the war. This is felt... in many
00:14:55conversations, in people's behavior,
00:14:59so all year, with
00:15:02a little tail, Kravchenko's stay in office, this
00:15:05was undoubtedly the
00:15:08implementation, among other things, of the tasks
00:15:12he received from his employers, regarding the confrontation
00:15:15with NABU and SAP. You probably remember his public
00:15:19interview with Malyuk, back
00:15:22a year ago, when the Verkhovna Rada rolled back
00:15:25all these bills, and then Mr. Ruslan pretended that he knew absolutely
00:15:28nothing, that he had nothing to do with it, but all
00:15:31people who were more or less involved in all these processes,
00:15:35understood everything very well. And...
00:15:38so from the very beginning, I think, he was
00:15:41determined to organize
00:15:45resistance against NABU and SAP,
00:15:48although of course he could not say this anywhere, let alone
00:15:51publicly
00:15:53hint at it.
00:15:56What will change with the new Prosecutor General? Well, you know, I
00:16:00still believe in the wisdom of the Ukrainian people, who say
00:16:03that fish rots from the head. All my
00:16:06managerial experience says that it
00:16:09depends on the leader. If not everything, then very, very
00:16:12much. And when we talk about the Prosecutor General's Office, then
00:16:16of course, the first line is important, that is, the Prosecutor General and
00:16:20his deputies. Therefore, I again
00:16:23understand all the political difficulties around
00:16:27the confrontation of law enforcement agencies, but
00:16:30if the Prosecutor General is, well,
00:16:33a maximally honest person who
00:16:36agrees to, well, at least try
00:16:39to fulfill the key provisions of the law on the prosecutor's office, which states that
00:16:43the prosecutor's office must be outside politics, it is not a political body. Then I
00:16:47think that many things in this rather
00:16:50artificial confrontation of law enforcement agencies
00:16:53will change. In any case, all these conflicts that
00:16:57we see, and this applies not only to
00:16:59the prosecutor's office, and NABU, but also
00:17:03other guys also sometimes behave frivolously,
00:17:07this all simply causes colossal damage to Ukraine's reputation and
00:17:11security issues within the country. Therefore, once again,
00:17:14if we don't change the rules of the game, this
00:17:17mess will not just continue, it simply threatens
00:17:21the stability of the justice system and the law enforcement system in
00:17:24the country. Mr. Andriy, you say that there are
00:17:28honest people, you are confident in this in the country, who would be ready to take
00:17:32part in some kind of selection,
00:17:35but... is there again political
00:17:38will, even some reaction to your
00:17:41proposal, either in the corridors, when you communicate with
00:17:45deputies from the "Servant of the People" or if
00:17:49you have any contacts, directly in the entourage of the Ukrainian
00:17:52president, is the president already ready to listen to
00:17:56criticism, to proposals from
00:18:00outside, not from his team, not from his managers, right, but
00:18:03from someone else, somewhere to pay attention to the parliament
00:18:07and share this responsibility with
00:18:10the parliament, perhaps with the opposition?
00:18:14The question should
00:18:16be asked to people from the President's Office. I have no
00:18:19contacts with anyone from the entourage of the President
00:18:35been a pragmatic guy, and again, we
00:18:38remember this from last year's story with NABU and SAP, when he, probably for the first time
00:18:41in his life, for the first time in his political life, actually admitted
00:18:44a mistake and turned this whole story around
00:18:48by 180 degrees. It should be obvious to him now, first of all,
00:18:51that the entire model that he
00:18:55built and developed all these already, excuse me, eight,
00:18:58eighth year, which first of all was built on
00:19:01loyalty, and only then on professionalism, maybe
00:19:05professionalism was generally on the second rung,
00:19:09it leads not just to the destruction of the system, it leads to
00:19:12collapse. This is obvious, I don't know what other
00:19:16evidence he needs to understand that it can no longer
00:19:20be like this, not for the existence of the prosecutor's
00:19:23system, but for the existence of Ukraine as a
00:19:27state at all. Therefore, in the system
00:19:30of absolute power that has been formed in our country in recent
00:19:33years, here one cannot
00:19:37count on any ability of the parliament to do something in this
00:19:40regard, especially again, the issue of the Prosecutor General, according to
00:19:44the constitution, is the sovereign right of the president,
00:19:47and the parliamentary committee on
00:19:50law enforcement activities
00:19:54cannot play the first fiddle here in any way,
00:19:57because I have never heard any systemic
00:20:01ideas for reforming
00:20:03the prosecutor's office, although they are voiced in expert circles.
00:20:08There, the favorite topic of my colleagues is the discussion about returning class
00:20:11ranks, we have several ex-prosecutors, they believe that
00:20:15it is absolutely necessary to return epaulets or class ranks to the prosecutor's office, and
00:20:19then the prosecutor's office will thrive, that is, this is the maximum that
00:20:23is discussed on the topic of reform.
00:20:26Therefore, again, the parliament can
00:20:29protest, the parliament can increase some elements
00:20:32of control, because you correctly
00:20:36said in the previous question: that Kravchenko even
00:20:39reported, and this is actually just a trend,
00:20:43Kostin also never reported, and Kravchenko did not report to the Verkhovna
00:20:47Rada, annually. Although this is
00:20:50a direct requirement of Ukrainian legislation, a direct requirement, yes, he formally
00:20:54submitted a report by April 1, but no one saw him
00:20:58in the Verkhovna Rada, just like his predecessors, and as you can see,
00:21:02no one particularly protested in the Verkhovna
00:21:05Rada, where is the prosecutor anyway, why doesn't he
00:21:09report,
00:21:21month at a meeting of the committee on law enforcement
00:21:24activities, in order to conduct a dialogue, well, to tell some
00:21:28news, then he was not
00:21:31there even once during his entire short turbulent
00:21:34career, Mr. Kravchenko was in the committee on the day
00:21:38he was appointed,
00:21:40and actually a week before his final
00:21:44dismissal we wanted to hold some meeting on Carthage, but
00:21:47while we were scheduling the meeting, he was still the Prosecutor General, and then he submitted
00:21:51his resignation, well, and actually there was no point in discussing
00:21:54anything with him. Thank you, Mr. Andriy, for participating in the program. This was Andriy
00:21:58Osachuk, People's Deputy of Ukraine, First Deputy Head of the Parliamentary Committee on
00:22:02Law Enforcement Activities. Well, if
00:22:05someone from the President's entourage or in the President's Office is ready to
00:22:09give a comment, because we repeatedly appeal, so that we hear
00:22:12the official official point of view, or maybe
00:22:16the president will still organize a press conference where...
00:22:26That's why I'm saying this for balance. Next, the People's Deputy
00:22:30of Ukraine, the Head of the Parliament's Committee on European Integration,
00:22:33Ivanna Klympush-Tsintsadze, is joining
00:22:42Ivanna, let's start with the main news, which is
00:22:45the signing by Donald Trump of the law, now
00:22:50deceased Senator Lindsey Graham, and
00:22:53obviously, this is what was expected from
00:22:57Trump, and even more from Trump is the actual application
00:23:00of this law, because this law was supported by Congress,
00:23:04the House of Representatives of Congress. Trump signed it
00:23:08on September 18. Do we correctly understand that by
00:23:12October 18, Trump has time
00:23:14to use this law and implement
00:23:18sanctions either against
00:23:21Russia, or against the Russian shadow fleet, or against
00:23:25Russia's partners who buy
00:23:28energy resources from Russia? After this
00:23:32deadline, he will be forced to explain to Congress why he did not
00:23:35use this
00:23:36instrument?
00:23:40Well, first of all, I would like to congratulate
00:23:43ourselves on the fact that finally the US Congress
00:23:46managed to make
00:23:49some action, quite
00:23:52serious action in support of Ukraine,
00:23:55although, you know, when we look at how
00:23:59this decision passed in
00:24:03the lower house of the American
00:24:05parliament, in the House of Representatives, it was still
00:24:09214 votes for, against
00:24:12211 votes, well, against or
00:24:15abstained, and this is, well, this is
00:24:18a serious achievement, and at the same time we must also understand
00:24:22why there was such a certain resistance, because in addition
00:24:25to all these things that allow
00:24:28the President of the United States of America
00:24:32to put pressure on directly
00:24:34the Russian Federation, on countries that help
00:24:37the Russian Federation in the war, on state
00:24:41companies of Russia, on
00:24:44those people from, well,
00:24:47let's say, the so-called business. which
00:24:50today in the Russian Federation are
00:24:53attached to the state structure to
00:24:55the state
00:24:57system.
00:25:00In addition, he also received with this bill
00:25:03the opportunity to impose tariffs at
00:25:07his own discretion on various countries. Obviously,
00:25:10among the representatives of the Democratic Party there were
00:25:14concerns about the fact that in reality
00:25:18these tariffs would primarily be... the United
00:25:21President of the United States of America, and he would not necessarily
00:25:24are proposed for
00:25:27pressure on Russia and that these tariffs could be used
00:25:31in fact, unfortunately, against sufficiently
00:25:34friendly or partner, allied
00:25:37countries of the United States of America, so it is important that the president
00:25:41signed this bill,
00:25:44there were fears that this would not happen, I think that this
00:25:48actually happened due to... due to the fact, well
00:25:51in such respect,
00:25:53honor of the memory of Lindsey Graham
00:25:56deceased, but at the same time today,
00:25:59as far as I understand, the president...
00:26:03intends, the United States intends
00:26:06to conduct such an analysis of what can
00:26:10allegedly be done, and
00:26:13what sanctions are already in force and regarding
00:26:17which, by the way, to a certain part of the sanctions that are already
00:26:20in force, gives no possibility to back down, this is
00:26:24by the way important, an important
00:26:27element that definitely strengthens
00:26:30the pressure on Russia.
00:26:33And then he has to analyze, as he planned, announced that
00:26:36government
00:26:40structures should analyze what can be done with this
00:26:43and how to act further, and as far as I understand,
00:26:47well, not quite, not quite what you said, that exactly
00:26:51this month they have to, well,
00:26:54use this analysis and then accordingly
00:26:58act, if we talk
00:27:01about... the role of the President of the United States
00:27:04of America, or about lists
00:27:07regarding those countries against which the President of America
00:27:11could sign these sanctions, or in your
00:27:14opinion, or according to the information, are certain
00:27:18discussions going on, is there any readiness
00:27:21of Donald Trump to take such measures, let's say, what
00:27:25his decision depends on, from agreements with the Kremlin,
00:27:28with Kyiv, with Europe, because
00:27:32after all... and signed the law, that is, further on
00:27:35it really depends on him how much he will
00:27:38use it,
00:27:40well, I would like to remind that even without this
00:27:43law, the president had
00:27:46enough authority, the executive branch had enough authority in the United States
00:27:50to apply sanctions pressure against the Russian
00:27:54Federation, it could definitely interact with
00:27:57the parliament of the United States of America.
00:28:00It could signal to the parliament
00:28:03its readiness to support, for example, the allocation
00:28:07of additional funds for
00:28:09military support to Ukraine. We know that even those 400
00:28:13million, which were dollars, which were laid down in this year's
00:28:17budget, they are currently not being
00:28:20used by the administration of the United States
00:28:24of America, so, well, you are talking about the fact that there is
00:28:27such an immediate readiness to urgently use
00:28:30the support
00:28:33of Congress, and this is important, the support
00:28:35of Congress, such
00:28:38an instrument, I do not see this,
00:28:42this readiness, I do not see, well,
00:28:45such
00:28:47eagerness on the part of the administration of the United States
00:28:51of America, and at the same time I want to hope that
00:28:54precisely, well, this rather broad
00:28:58support of the Senate and the House
00:29:01of Representatives and... really quite
00:29:04broad continued support of American
00:29:07society, the need for pressure on
00:29:10the Russian Federation and the perception of Putin as a criminal,
00:29:13as a war criminal, as as
00:29:17the personification of evil, it can still
00:29:20force Donald Trump
00:29:23to use part, part, well, of these instruments provided to him,
00:29:27just in the election
00:29:30campaign until... and
00:29:33until the elections in the Senate and
00:29:36elections in the Congress, which
00:29:39will take place in November, and
00:29:43this, well, can
00:29:46of the US administration's response to
00:29:50accusations of such softness towards
00:29:54Putin and the Russian
00:29:56Federation, well, and those countries that are actually
00:30:00well, either rivals, or... open enemies of the United
00:30:04States of America, but are those that support the Russian
00:30:08Federation, for example, North Korea, or Iran,
00:30:11and here, well,
00:30:13we will see if this domestic political
00:30:17situation, oddly enough, can play in favor
00:30:21of Trump using these instruments provided to him.
00:30:24Ms. Ivanna, Donald Trump
00:30:27says that Russia has already attacked European allies
00:30:31of Ukraine and has been doing so for... almost five
00:30:34years, besides that, he
00:30:37says that the
00:30:40Kremlin is attacking Poland,
00:30:43and let's listen more closely to what the President
00:30:47of the United States of America says.
00:30:50I think they have already attacked Ukraine's allies,
00:30:54they have been attacking Ukraine's allies for about 5
00:30:57years. I think everyone agrees with this.