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00:00:00Padroshev said that Moscow
00:00:03can use allegedly the entire arsenal and that Polish
00:00:07statehood will cease to exist in two or three days, well, these 2-3
00:00:11days we have already heard,
00:00:14and we see that over these years
00:00:18the full-scale full-scale invasion of Russia
00:00:21into Ukraine has also changed, and
00:00:24communication about Poland and messages in
00:00:28propaganda...
00:00:30their media about Poland, if previously yes, Poland was often
00:00:34presented as a country
00:00:37that is subordinate to the United States, that
00:00:40does not conduct an independent policy, then
00:00:43here it often already appears as an object
00:00:46of probable aggression of the Russian Federation, so
00:00:49and this rhetoric again, well, as such a potential territory of direct
00:00:53use of the Russian army, well, listen, what Sikorski
00:00:57did in Kyiv, his statements, it's...
00:01:00which is actually a fairly typical school
00:01:03of Anglo-Saxon diplomacy of deterrence through force, that is,
00:01:06Sikorski, in addition to what he said about NATO's capabilities in Europe,
00:01:10even without the participation of the United States, he
00:01:13also shared his opinion that in his opinion there are two scenarios for ending
00:01:17the war: the first is negotiations, that is, Sikorski did not
00:01:21say this, but implicitly, that this scenario is proposed
00:01:24to Europeans by Donald Trump's own administration, and
00:01:27the second scenario is that Russia simply does not have the resources
00:01:31to wage war, an energy truce, then
00:01:34Sikorski, well, he said that Ukraine should, on the contrary, focus
00:01:38on strikes on Russian oil refineries.
00:01:41And the second thing is that Russia had ambitious goals in 2022,
00:01:45but Russia did
00:01:47not achieve them, it does not rule the world, therefore, accordingly, there is no
00:01:51need to be afraid, we need to behave more actively, and in fact, within the framework of this
00:01:54more active behavior, Sikorski suggested that perhaps
00:01:58we, Europeans, should conduct military maneuvers
00:02:02and military exercises more often not far from the border
00:02:06with the Kaliningrad region, well, Sikorski himself uses the name Kroleviec, in Polish.
00:02:09Yes, but we remember that recently such
00:02:12exercises have intensified. Literally about a month ago there were
00:02:16exercises, sudden, unannounced around
00:02:20the Kaliningrad region itself, about which NATO did not report, when in the sky appeared,
00:02:24according to various reports and unofficial information, from 25
00:02:27to 50 fighter jets of member countries. And
00:02:31when half of these planes were visible in open
00:02:34sources, yes, on radars, it was
00:02:37then that NATO issued a statement that such exercises were being conducted, well, and
00:02:41this is also such an element of deterrence and a signal for Russia, as is this
00:02:44communication from Sikorski, which shows that these words
00:02:48are correctly
00:02:51chosen by the Russian Federation, although the reaction, again,
00:02:54we saw in Poland
00:02:58critical voices, in particular from the right. creative flank, but also
00:03:01from, of course, of course, from
00:03:04representatives of the fifth column, I mean
00:03:07Braun's party, Roman Fritz, a deputy of this
00:03:11party, a deputy of the Sejm, came in
00:03:15fact to comment on Sikorski's tweet and
00:03:19said that, so that Sikorski does not
00:03:22get involved in this story and stopped
00:03:25humiliating himself, and yet he is the vice-premier of the Polish
00:03:29government and the head of the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to which
00:03:32Sikorski replied briefly but very vividly,
00:03:36go to hell, that is, uh,
00:03:39well, but agree, the fact that Polish ultraright
00:03:43criticize the Polish government for allegedly too pro-Ukrainian
00:03:46position, well, this is an old song, there is nothing new here, instead
00:03:50it seems to me that if we talk about Polish social networks, not about
00:03:53their ultra-right segment, but about such a more centrist, liberal,
00:03:57uh, there was more approval. at least
00:04:00I have the impression that Poles, Polish experts more often approved,
00:04:04but you followed the reaction in Ukraine, in Ukraine
00:04:07the reaction, for example, colleagues from
00:04:10the Ukrainian side also note that it sometimes
00:04:14even coincided with these ironic voices
00:04:17of the ultra-right Polish side, well, this is connected,
00:04:20of course, with previous reactions and
00:04:23NATO's behavior in the context
00:04:26of the Russian-Ukrainian war, that drones flew in,
00:04:32yes, that is, this is certainly a reflection of these previous
00:04:35years, but one way or another this
00:04:38communication
00:04:41is such an escalatory one, and such signals
00:04:44are correctly understood in Russia,
00:04:48and yet, well, it has a certain strategic
00:04:51goal, so it's worth agreeing, in fact, with this
00:04:54side, cohort of experts and people who in
00:04:58Poland are actually positive. How do I evaluate these words? I will tell you that I have two
00:05:02conclusions from this situation with Sikorski: the first conclusion is that it is still
00:05:05how important it is for European politicians to personally be in
00:05:09Ukraine now, because Sikorski, well, the fact that he visits Kyiv... other cities,
00:05:13as Minister of Foreign Affairs, that's one thing, but even before he
00:05:16joined the Civic Platform government in 2023,
00:05:19he quite often visited Ukraine, for example, he helped collect
00:05:23money and later drove cars for
00:05:26a Ukrainian-Polish volunteer, yes, that is, it seems to me that
00:05:29this direct experience of experiencing the Ukrainian war is very
00:05:32important, and the second conclusion is this, listen, that the Russians scoff
00:05:36at his statements, but they listen to them very carefully, because
00:05:40literally within a day... after
00:05:42Sikorski's words, at 800 m from the Polish border, Russian
00:05:46drones fell, yes, we saw all these
00:05:49shots from near a gas station near
00:05:53Yahodyn, yes, where
00:05:56according to one information, there was a hit on trucks that
00:05:59were standing near the border and this
00:06:02gas station,
00:06:04also already on September 17,
00:06:07also a few days later
00:06:10after the attack near Yahodyn, a drone also fell 4
00:06:14km from the Polish-Ukrainian border, an air siren
00:06:17sounded in the eastern regions of Poland, there was an evacuation
00:06:21of schools, work at airports in
00:06:24Lublin and Rzeszow was stopped, that is, we also see
00:06:28and recalling that in July a Kh-101 missile flew in,
00:06:31plus there was again this week an incident
00:06:35related to a drone in the Baltic Sea, there is different
00:06:38information on how it could have ended up there, perhaps the Russians
00:06:42conducted some tests in international
00:06:45waters, or this is again another
00:06:48provocation, on the coast of
00:06:52the Baltic Sea, a new type of drone, Gerbera, was found,
00:06:55and
00:06:59that is, we see almost daily some new
00:07:02such incidents and, well, actually with this drone in the Baltics, we still need to
00:07:05figure out what it was doing there, because there are two opinions, that
00:07:09actually the first is that yes, it was such a... empty gerbera, that is,
00:07:13without an explosive charge, and again the goal
00:07:15was either a provocation, or testing
00:07:19the capabilities of Polish air defense, but I also heard a second
00:07:22well-reasoned opinion from experts that this is actually a drone that may have fallen
00:07:26somewhere in neutral waters and was simply carried to Poland by the sea
00:07:30current. Uh, it seems to me that it's still more important to return
00:07:34to these border attacks. Uh, you mentioned
00:07:37September 17, unfortunately, in the Lublin, in the Podkarpackie
00:07:41voivodeships, where... air raid sirens are already becoming
00:07:44a practice not once a month, but several times a
00:07:47week, but such an incident, the biggest
00:07:51incident of demonstration, I would say, of Russian arrogance, such
00:07:55arrogance, it actually happened on the night of September 13, when Russian
00:07:59drones attacked not only the gas station
00:08:02near the border, but also the crossing
00:08:05where trains that travel from Ukraine to Poland to
00:08:09the European Union are waiting for customs and border clearance. And
00:08:13there, in particular, more or less at this time there was a train with which
00:08:17a large European delegation was returning from an international conference in
00:08:20Kyiv, there was, in particular, the former British Prime Minister Boris Johnson,
00:08:24very popular in Ukraine, less popular at home,
00:08:27Carl Bildt also very popular in Ukraine, still popular at home,
00:08:31and there were actually many of my Polish acquaintances,
00:08:34that is, these were my friends who recently were in Kyiv at various international events,
00:08:38analysts, journalists, they also returned on this train, and it was
00:08:42about 20 minutes, maybe half an hour earlier than
00:08:45planned, that is, it is not excluded at all that this
00:08:48drone, which fell near
00:08:52the railway platform, that the target of this
00:08:55attack was actually this train,
00:08:59to intimidate, to humiliate, that is, what Russian propaganda later
00:09:02likes to spin during all these
00:09:06garbage talk shows, there is also a sharp discussion about what to do with all this,
00:09:09because we really see these...
00:09:14Putin is climbing the stairs of escalation and
00:09:17testing the reaction, if there is no real response
00:09:20that forces Russia to think,
00:09:23then these incidents will
00:09:26escalate, it's already being talked about, even,
00:09:30for example, Daniel Szeligowski, an expert from the Polish Institute of International Affairs,
00:09:33talks about the need for a kinetic
00:09:37response, and
00:09:40probably in Warsaw now...
00:09:43there are also discussions about this, I would also draw attention, for example, to the opinion
00:09:46of Sławomir Odembski, also
00:09:49a well-known Polish historian and political scientist, a political
00:09:52commentator, who in his text on the ZroPL portal writes about
00:09:56the fact that the state can also have available methods
00:09:59of influence, and give
00:10:02the necessary signals and answers to the Russian Federation. But
00:10:05you see, this is all, as it were, a discussion about a response that
00:10:09the army or perhaps special services should provide. I would
00:10:12draw attention here, if we are already talking about interesting
00:10:15texts from Polish media, there is such a Polish sociologist,
00:10:19Weronika Grzebalska, she
00:10:21researches civil defense. in particular, the role
00:10:25of women in civil defense, and she wrote, it seems
00:10:28to me, such a very programmatic text for
00:10:32the online media Kultura Liberalna, where she
00:10:35writes about the fact that in Poland
00:10:38there is, as it were, a social consensus that more money should be spent on the army,
00:10:42and this is generally not bad, but it is bad
00:10:45that Polish citizens increasingly perceive
00:10:48higher spending on the army as I will pay any money for someone to do something
00:10:52instead of me, while it is important to have even more
00:10:55large-scale training than currently exists for public, civil
00:10:58defense, it is important to involve not only
00:11:02people who would, in case of anything, directly participate in
00:11:05the military containment of the enemy, but also training
00:11:09for teachers, doctors, employees
00:11:12of all educational institutions working with children, because, as the case of
00:11:15Ukraine shows, precisely during a hybrid war
00:11:18or even a classical war, the importance of these
00:11:21people, their competencies, their ability to manage
00:11:25their subordinates, simply during evacuation, it is simply critical, well, and
00:11:29in particular, she draws attention to how underestimated
00:11:32the issue of women's participation and their social
00:11:36role during a possible escalation
00:11:39still is in the documents of the Polish General Staff and government, but
00:11:42we see that there are attempts at coordination between
00:11:45Ukraine and Poland, an interesting meeting took place in Rzeszów, so there
00:11:49the coordinator of Polish special services Tomasz Siemoniak met with
00:11:53the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Igor.
00:11:55Kovalenko, security issues were also
00:11:58discussed, among others. We know that Siemoniak recently
00:12:01met with CIA Director Radcliffe. We know
00:12:05that Tusk received
00:12:08certain data from American colleagues,
00:12:11and Warsaw also receives, well, this
00:12:14is now very actively present in Polish media, Warsaw receives signals from
00:12:17Washington, and the government
00:12:20is concerned, in fact, that these
00:12:24difficult incidents that occurred at the border, which took place
00:12:28during this week, all
00:12:31happened after the visit
00:12:34of the Americans to Putin, that is, in
00:12:38Warsaw, it raises concerns whether
00:12:40the Americans,
00:12:42whether the states in general today have such
00:12:46influence on Putin to prevent
00:12:49these escalatory incidents, when after the visit
00:12:52of literally the American...
00:12:56Putin literally attacks the borders of NATO countries,
00:12:59specifically Poland. I would, you know, summarize this part of
00:13:03our conversation by saying that in principle, for years there was a consensus that
00:13:07if Russia behaves more audaciously
00:13:10in Europe, then target
00:13:14number one is the Baltic states. Here Estonia and
00:13:18Latvia were particularly singled out as target number one, that, as it were, they should be most
00:13:21vigilant. Meanwhile, as
00:13:24the Deputy Minister of Defense of Poland, Cezary Tomczyk, recently stated
00:13:27from the rostrum of the Sejm, if we are talking about hybrid attacks and
00:13:31surveillance, then Poland, unfortunately, is in many ways today
00:13:34Russia's target number one. But I suggest
00:13:38we move on to the next topic, because bad results of the week from
00:13:42Poland, in which we did not mention whom? Grzegorz
00:13:45Braun. What did he, what did he distinguish himself
00:13:48with this time? You know, well, on the one hand, I am both surprised and not surprised, because
00:13:52on September 10, Braun... I remind you,
00:13:55the odious MEP and leader of the Polish Confederation
00:13:58of the Polish Crown party. He published a video on his social networks
00:14:02in which he and another man were hitting
00:14:06with hammers a granite obelisk in the Belyastok
00:14:09tract, near the village of Liski,
00:14:12Gmina Dołhobyczów, this is Hrubieszów County, Lublin
00:14:15Voivodeship. And this stone is not just
00:14:19a stone, it's an obelisk erected
00:14:22on the grave in which 40. one soldier of the Ukrainian
00:14:26Insurgent Army is buried, who died in February 1946
00:14:29in battles with an NKVD unit, that is,
00:14:32they fought against the Soviet army, which, according to many Poles, occupied
00:14:36Poland after the war. Yes, and this incident was, of course, very
00:14:39loudly discussed in
00:14:42Ukrainian media, in Ukrainian social networks, there was
00:14:45a reaction, there is a reaction from the Polish police, who have already
00:14:49opened proceedings, an investigation is underway, there were statements from the Ministry
00:14:52of Internal Affairs and Administration that the guilty will be punished,
00:14:56the guilty will be punished, here
00:15:00the question is, yes, well, Braun, of course,
00:15:03Braun is known for these performances of his,
00:15:06I would say, yes, because he has
00:15:10become famous for this in recent years, and these
00:15:13actions of his, well, with a fire extinguisher,
00:15:17extinguishing a menorah, burning the EU flag,
00:15:20taking down the Ukrainian flag, and this is also the basis of
00:15:24his rating. because all these
00:15:27incidents of his are very actively
00:15:30spread on social networks, so, well, this is emotion,
00:15:34this is uh...
00:15:37what social media algorithms love, what a certain
00:15:41cohort of people actively share,
00:15:44and - this incident also falls into this
00:15:47whole strategy of Braun's behavior, uh, in order to
00:15:51once again attract attention to himself, attract attention against the background, and
00:15:54the Korona party, if we look at the average figures for July and August,
00:15:58is still losing ratings, there are various estimates of 1-1.5,
00:16:02even up to 2%, accordingly, you need to remind
00:16:05yourself that... so that these ratings would at
00:16:09least remain at the current
00:16:12level. The second point, we see that after the wave
00:16:15of aggravation in Polish-Ukrainian relations, a stage has come
00:16:19when, in fact, there were holidays for Polish politicians, diplomacy
00:16:22worked more actively, a stage has come,
00:16:25after all, yes, Ukraine issues new permits for exhumation,
00:16:29reburials of the remains of those found during
00:16:32exhumation are taking place, Poland is preparing a package of military aid for
00:16:3650 million. That's it. Between the capitals and
00:16:38between
00:16:42internet users, it somehow became calmer, and then Braun comes out with
00:16:45his sledgehammer, well, I primarily
00:16:48see a specific stone
00:16:52aimed at Prime Minister Donald Tusk, why, because
00:16:55you see, by and large, well, not by and large, there is simply a
00:16:59grave there, that is, it's not even a question of attitude
00:17:02towards the UPA, there are graves of Soviet army soldiers and Wehrmacht
00:17:06soldiers on Polish territory. that is, formations that are unequivocally recognized by Poles as
00:17:10hostile, while Polish media, which reported
00:17:13this case as the destruction of the UPA monument, which, as it were,
00:17:17says that there is some monument that glorifies someone, although in reality it is a tombstone,
00:17:20and the fact that the case is presented exactly like this puts
00:17:24Tusk and the Polish government in general in a very awkward position, because on
00:17:27the one hand,
00:17:30if he as it were, the government starts doing something
00:17:34to restore this monument, there is also such a subtle point that...
00:17:37that there are such Ukrainian places of memory on the territory of Poland, there are such
00:17:41Polish places of memory on the territory of Ukraine, where in the 90s local
00:17:45communities installed some commemorative signs, commemorative monuments,
00:17:48but these signs and monuments were never formally recognized as places
00:17:52of memory on the basis of national law, and
00:17:55if, moreover, in such a situation, Tusk, his government starts
00:17:59doing something to restore this monument, you will immediately
00:18:02get from the same Braun, his associates, the Polish
00:18:06authorities are restoring...
00:18:37Poland's Independence March, but not in
00:18:41some Polish city, only in Ukrainian Lviv,
00:18:45and actually this group of deputies, among whom is Dariusz Matecki, a great
00:18:48friend of Ukraine, in inverted commas, they asked Donald Tusk's government whether
00:18:52he was ready to agree to hold the event with the Ukrainian and
00:18:56Lviv city authorities, and also to ensure its organization
00:18:59and financing, well, in Ukraine I see it is also
00:19:02being discussed, discussed, Matecki, this is allegedly presented
00:19:06as a reaction to... the celebration of Ukraine's Independence
00:19:09Day in Warsaw, which is currently taking place,
00:19:12in particular since 2022 in
00:19:15the center of Warsaw, which is also held under
00:19:18the patronage
00:19:20of the Warsaw city hall, these are also similar
00:19:24events in various regions of Poland supported by local
00:19:28self-government, and here Matecki asks,
00:19:30does Tusk support
00:19:33such events in Lviv? Well, the first
00:19:36point... here it is worth turning to the rather
00:19:40rational opinion of Krzysztof Bosak, one of the leaders of the Confederation, who said
00:19:43that when he saw this information about this letter, he needed
00:19:47time to generally understand what it was about,
00:19:50firstly, if we are already talking about
00:19:54holding similar events, although Poles do celebrate,
00:19:57the Polish community in Ukraine celebrates Independence Day just in a different
00:20:00format, if such events are to be held and addressed
00:20:04to the authorities in this context, then it should be to the Ukrainian ones, because... there should be
00:20:08symmetry, if there
00:20:10is some support from the Polish side, then in Ukraine there should be support
00:20:14from the Ukrainian side for the Polish community. But you see, Matecki, as it were, and his friends, they
00:20:18first of all popularize false information, as if the Polish
00:20:21authorities financially support the Ukrainian community, which
00:20:24celebrates Ukrainian Independence Day in
00:20:27Poland. And the absolute majority of money for celebrations
00:20:31that take place either in Warsaw or in smaller communities, comes from private sponsors,
00:20:35Polish companies or Ukrainian businesses. In
00:20:38Poland, the city authorities of Warsaw and
00:20:41other cities provide their patronage, but not financial participation. The second thing
00:20:45is that, you see, in Lviv there is an old local Polish
00:20:48community, which itself celebrates this day somehow for years,
00:20:52sometimes in the opera house, sometimes with a solemn reception,
00:20:56more modestly during the war, and here there are, I would actually call these
00:21:00people parachutists, because a month ago they traveled
00:21:04to Lublin, a city that, by Polish standards, is very
00:21:07calm, where integration of foreigners is very good, and they
00:21:11came there to muddy the waters, because it seemed to them that in Lublin
00:21:15universities there are too many students from sub-Saharan
00:21:18Africa, and so they... these parachutists landed there and started
00:21:21telling the locals how they should actually live with these students, although
00:21:25they live wonderfully with them, and here these parachutists are doing the same thing, they
00:21:29don't just want to, I don't know, walk with flags, the Independence March is a very
00:21:32specific event in Poland, mostly with
00:21:35the participation of very masculine young
00:21:38men, dressed in black with far-right
00:21:42symbols, flares, well, and let's be
00:21:44honest, sometimes with such not very
00:21:48tolerant slogans towards foreign national minorities, and
00:21:51in fact, they are going to bring this whole show
00:21:55to the Polish community of Lviv, which actually has its own format for years,
00:21:58and I would actually emphasize that
00:22:02the point is not that Poles cannot celebrate Independence Day in Ukraine, of course,
00:22:06but let the people who are here themselves, let them decide how
00:22:10this holiday
00:30:24Hello, this is News on Espresso. My name is Oksana Vysochenska and I will tell you more
00:30:27about the situation in the country and in the world. Russian troops
00:30:31launched an air strike on an evacuation point in Kramatorsk
00:30:35in Donetsk region, reported the head of the humanitarian mission "Proliska" Yevhen
00:30:39Kaplin. According to him, it was a direct hit. At the time
00:30:43of the attack, evacuated people and staff assisting with
00:30:46the evacuation were at the location. Information about possible fatalities and injuries is still
00:30:49being clarified.
00:30:51Due to the consequences of Russian attacks,
00:30:54Ukrzaliznytsia trains are running with significant delays. Some
00:30:57flights.