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00:00:00liberty, equality,
00:00:02news.
00:00:04Thank you for joining us on France 24, we're together for another news update. Headlining this
00:00:07broadcast, the escalation in Yemen, the
00:00:11Houthis claim responsibility for the attack that killed at least 58 people among government forces
00:00:14supported by Riyadh, it's the deadliest attack
00:00:18since the 2022 truce. The
00:00:21difficult fight against the Ebola epidemic in the DRC,
00:00:24doctors and caregivers have been on the front line for almost 3 months now in
00:00:28complicated conditions. And their salaries are paid late,
00:00:32or not at all. Gianni Infantino, more isolated
00:00:36than ever, despite the withdrawal of his project to open up to private funds,
00:00:40the pressure is on, UEFA maintains its boycott of the World Cups
00:00:44and the South American Football Confederation (CONMEBOL), a former ally, is now
00:00:48distancing itself.
00:00:50these years of training to take
00:01:00At least 58 soldiers killed in Yemen, the Houthis claim
00:01:04responsibility for attacks against Yemeni government forces supported by Riyadh,
00:01:08this is the deadliest toll since the 2022
00:01:11truce. The day before, the Houthis had attacked a
00:01:14second oil tanker in the Red Sea, we'll take stock with Lohic
00:01:18Chalavon.
00:01:21After several attacks in the Red Sea against Saudi oil tankers, the
00:01:25Houthis are now striking on land, a direct response
00:01:28according to them to Saudi Arabia's increased support for
00:01:32Yemeni government forces for several
00:01:34weeks.
00:01:39This operation allowed us to kill and wound many Saudi
00:01:42mercenaries, to destroy and burn a large number of camps and
00:01:46weapons depots of the Saudi enemy in the east of
00:01:48the country.
00:01:51As well as destroying a large number of military vehicles stationed in the
00:01:55camps.
00:02:00According to an anonymous military source, Houthi drones and missiles struck several military
00:02:04camps in the province of Marib in the center of the country and
00:02:07Hadramout near the border with
00:02:09weight. The fundamental Saudi Arabia. This is the deadliest toll since 2022
00:02:13between the two sides. The Yemeni government announced that it would retaliate
00:02:16at the appropriate time and place. Since
00:02:192014, a proxy war has been raging in Yemen between Houthi rebels allied with
00:02:23Iran and the Yemeni government supported by Riyadh and
00:02:26Washington. In 2022, a fragile truce came
00:02:30into force, but it broke down last month when the Houthis
00:02:34welcomed an Iranian plane in Sanaa, violating the Saudi grip
00:02:37on Yemeni airspace. The
00:02:40Houthis then announced a naval blockade of Saudi ports and
00:02:43began targeting the kingdom's oil tankers.
00:02:46people who are disconnected from the world of kingdom. We warn the Saudi enemy
00:02:50against any reckless action against our country and our
00:02:53people. They will have to bear the consequences of any
00:02:57escalation.
00:03:00A senior Saudi official says several intelligence services confirm that
00:03:03Iraqi militias are preparing attacks on Saudi territory in
00:03:07coordination with Yemeni Houthis and under the direction of the
00:03:10Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Saudi Arabia says it will take
00:03:14necessary measures to respond to any aggression.
00:03:18A few hours ago, another Houthi attack was carried out on Saudi
00:03:22soil this time in the Najran region near the border with
00:03:25Yemen, one civilian was injured. The degradation of the situation
00:03:28is pushing Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Turkey to
00:03:32accelerate their mutual defense agreement. The heads of state of the three
00:03:36countries are to meet today in Jeddah to sign it at the
00:03:40summit. Discussions had already been initiated, but the worsening tensions
00:03:44to express her gratitude to the caregivers at prompted the three countries to finalize it more
00:03:46quickly.
00:03:50In Syria, a bomb in a bus near Damascus killed two people in the
00:03:54evening. The attack occurred in Jaramana, a predominantly Druze city,
00:03:57scene of violent clashes last year. Details
00:04:01from Dana Alboze, our correspondent in
00:04:04Damascus.
00:04:07deputy and former Minister of According to our latest report released by the Syrian Ministry of
00:04:10Health, two people have died and 14 others have been
00:04:14injured in an explosion that occurred this evening in Jaramana, in the
00:04:18southeastern suburbs of Damascus. The explosion occurred in
00:04:22the middle of Jaramana's main artery, a very busy
00:04:25road, and targeted a small passenger shuttle bus which was
00:04:28completely destroyed according to
00:04:31our information. The injured were evacuated to
00:04:35two hospitals in Damascus and Jaramana, and according to a local
00:04:38source, most of the injuries are believed to be minor, but this
00:04:42information remains preliminary and the death toll could
00:04:45increase. The
00:04:47return, in any case the arrival of authorities have established a security perimeter around the area,
00:04:50and there was concern among the residents
00:04:54of Jaramana. Jaramana is only a few kilometers
00:04:57southeast of Damascus, the city also houses
00:05:01a large Druze population, but also residents from
00:05:05different communities. At this stage, no party
00:05:08has officially
00:05:11everywhere in the world and at all hours of claimed responsibility for this attack, and the authorities have not communicated about the exact
00:05:14nature of this explosion, but of course, this
00:05:17incident comes as Syria has experienced several explosions in
00:05:21Damascus and its surroundings in recent
00:05:25months and even weeks. I remind you that at the beginning of
00:05:28July, during the visit of French President Emmanuel Macron,
00:05:32two explosions occurred in Damascus. In these
00:05:36different cases, explosive devices had been mentioned, and this new
00:05:39explosion occurs
00:05:42in a context, I can say, of security challenge for the new
00:05:46Syrian authorities, Syrian authorities who must notably face
00:05:50the persistence of attacks and security incidents
00:05:53targeting urban
00:05:55areas. Almost 3 months since the
00:05:59start of the Ebola epidemic in the DRC, the World
00:06:03Health Organization is calling for intensified response and better
00:06:06protection for healthcare personnel. It must be said that doctors and
00:06:10nurses on the front line are denouncing their working
00:06:13conditions. Some have not been paid by the state since the beginning of the crisis, and this,
00:06:17despite a strike in July, Noémie
00:06:19Roche.
00:06:22Every day, the same ritual, Wiza Bandelé
00:06:25puts on his suit and disinfection equipment, before
00:06:29tackling a house whose occupants died of the Ebola
00:06:32virus. These gestures are essential
00:06:36to hope to slow the spread of the virus which continues to
00:06:40hit the country. For... Since the beginning of his
00:06:43mission in mid-May, Wija has still not received
00:06:47his salary. In July, he joined
00:06:50other health agents to
00:06:51strike.
00:06:54We went on strike because we realized that we were working in dangerous
00:06:57conditions and that we were giving a lot of ourselves. We evolve
00:07:01in risky situations. It can happen that a
00:07:04patient vomits blood, we then have to
00:07:07clean up.
00:07:11In July, the minister of health acknowledged payment
00:07:14delays attributed to organizational problems, assuring that they
00:07:18would be resolved. Since then, some of his colleagues have indeed
00:07:21been paid, but only partially according to Wiza. He claims
00:07:25to have received nothing yet and continues to work 7
00:07:29days a week, despite the risks to which he is
00:07:32exposed. I could contract this
00:07:35virus, and subsequently, contaminate my family and my
00:07:38neighbors. So I realize that because of me, many
00:07:42people could
00:07:43die. Despite the
00:07:47fear,
00:07:50Wisa refuses to leave his post for now, guided by a sense of duty. A mission
00:07:53all the more crucial as this epidemic has now surpassed that of
00:07:572018 in terms of cases. According to the Congolese
00:08:00authorities, more than 8370 cases have
00:08:03been confirmed, including 1751 deaths
00:08:06since the start of the epidemic in
00:08:08May.
00:08:10Wildfires in France with more than 13,500 fires or fire starts and
00:08:14more than 100,000 hectares burned, this year 2026 broke the sad
00:08:18record for burned surface area. Most of the time the cause of fires is
00:08:21human, sometimes it is a poorly extinguished cigarette butt thrown
00:08:25from a car window, and today the deputy and former Minister of
00:08:29Health, Yannick Neder, believes that tobacco manufacturers should be made to
00:08:33pay. A simple gesture, but
00:08:37far from harmless, a cigarette
00:08:40butt can be the cause of a fire
00:08:43and ravage hundreds of hectares in a few hours. Hello
00:08:47sir, where are you from? If one in five smokers admit to throwing their
00:08:51cigarette butt out the window, this summer, the authorities have
00:08:54multiplied surveillance operations. We come from a
00:08:58region where it burns, so it's not bad
00:09:01to make people aware anyway because right now
00:09:05we're not laughing. It only takes a cigarette butt actually and it's perhaps not the number that makes the
00:09:08danger, it's the act of doing it and uh, we must continue to
00:09:13people then should cigarettes be taxed
00:09:16even more, this is what the
00:09:19Health, Yannick Neder, proposes, a tax that could bring in, according to
00:09:23him, 350 million euros to finance fire
00:09:27prevention, there were already behaviors that
00:09:31sanction smokers who throw their cigarette butts, but
00:09:35there was nothing at the level of tobacco manufacturers
00:09:38on this fight against the environmental
00:09:40impact in 2021, a simple cigarette butt
00:09:44thrown on a highway rest area in the Var had caused the Gonfaron
00:09:48megafire, 7,000 hectares went up in
00:09:51smoke. New offensive by Donald
00:09:55Trump against birthright citizenship, the American president has just
00:09:58signed a decree to prevent birth
00:10:01tourism. This involves foreign women traveling to the United States
00:10:05to give birth so that their children obtain American
00:10:07citizenship. A month ago, his previous decree challenging
00:10:11birthright citizenship had been rejected by the Supreme
00:10:15Court.
00:10:16Listen:
00:10:20The Supreme Court made a very regrettable decision regarding the acquisition of
00:10:24citizenship by birth. The vote was close, but the decision is very
00:10:28regrettable, so we are going to make adjustments because it is very
00:10:31unfair. This rule was established for another reason, it was
00:10:35just after the Civil War, it was for the children of slaves. However,
00:10:38what is happening today is that wealthy people are doing business
00:10:42around this birthright citizenship, it shouldn't work
00:10:45like that, it's a disgrace, they are buying their access to
00:10:48citizenship.
00:10:54He had to backtrack, but nothing helps, the pressure
00:10:58on Gianni Infantino does not let up, despite the apologies
00:11:01from part of the FIFA management, UEFA maintains its boycott
00:11:05of the World Cups, and for its part, CONMEBOL, which manages South American
00:11:09football, is distancing itself from the methods of the
00:11:12FIFA president, Nicolas
00:11:13Chamontin.
00:11:16The apologies from FIFA's leadership don't change anything, UEFA
00:11:20assures that the boycott of the World Cups is still in effect.
00:11:24The federations of UEFA have been very clear about the
00:11:27conditions related to their non-participation in FIFA competitions, these
00:11:30conditions have not been met. In addition to
00:11:33abandoning the FIFA commercial company project decided
00:11:36on Friday, the European football body is demanding assurances
00:11:40that such an idea will never see the light of day. UEFA
00:11:43reaffirms that it has lost confidence in Gianni Infantino.
00:11:47Wednesday evening, the head of world football received the full support of his
00:11:51leadership, gathered in Morocco for a crisis meeting. In a
00:11:55statement, FIFA offered apologies after the controversy surrounding
00:11:59the opening to private investors, a project that
00:12:02leaked to the press, without the football stakeholders being
00:12:05informed. This Thursday, the South American Confederation
00:12:09CONMEBOL, although known to be close to Infantino, in turn
00:12:12denounced the President's methods. The CONMEBOL
00:12:15Council unanimously expresses its concern about
00:12:18repeated unilateral actions, adopted without resorting
00:12:22to dialogue or the institutional mechanisms provided for the handling
00:12:25of this type of situation. Apparently unmovable a few
00:12:29weeks ago, Gianni Infantino seems more vulnerable than
00:12:32ever. The man who has led FIFA for a decade still
00:12:36hopes to be re-elected next March thanks to the support of
00:12:39many federations in Africa and the
00:12:41Middle East.
00:12:44And we end this news report with a very peculiar record: at almost
00:12:48100 years old, British Betty Bromed
00:12:51is not afraid of anything, you will see it in Justin Wild's report.
00:12:56With great ease, this
00:12:58British woman sets a new world record, that of the oldest
00:13:02woman to perform wingwalking on an airplane.
00:13:05At 97 years old, this is Betty
00:13:08Bromage, speeds of 240 km/h,
00:13:12a strong heart and a certain thirst
00:13:14for adrenaline. When you get old, you can't go here, you can't
00:13:18do that, you can't drive, I can't see very
00:13:22well and it frustrates me a bit, so I want to do things that I...
00:13:28Dazzlingly brave, Betty Bromage
00:13:31is not new to this, 4 years ago, she already
00:13:34held the record, this new feat today
00:13:38impresses her audience, she does wonderfully, I'm so proud
00:13:42of her, it's incredible, I mean, she's visually impaired, almost
00:13:45blind and she does all that, at her age,
00:13:49it's just amazing. No and when every excuse seems good to
00:13:52take on challenges, here she is celebrating her 90th
00:13:55birthday with a dizzying
00:13:58zip-line descent in Wales.
00:14:02This week, it's something else that pushed her to surpass herself,
00:14:06a gesture that was close to her heart,
00:14:09the hospital who accompanied her during her stroke, the funds
00:14:13raised will be
00:14:37Hello everyone and welcome to this edition of "Current Affairs"
00:14:41dedicated to fashion. Fashion show season is starting
00:14:45and with it this question: where are the women? On the runways, we see
00:14:49them, but behind the scenes, the men who run
00:14:52the big fashion houses are much more numerous. Among the
00:14:56new big names in fashion, only two women are emerging this season and more
00:14:59than a dozen men are taking the artistic direction of these
00:15:03companies. The time of illustrious female designers like
00:15:06Coco Chanel, Madeleine Vionnet, Elsa Schiaparelli, Vivienne
00:15:10Westwood or Sonia
00:15:13us. Does a male designer do a different
00:15:16job than a female designer? We'll talk about it with our
00:15:20guest, hello Saveria Mandela, you are
00:15:23a fashion journalist. Sad about the podcast "Les Gens de la Mode" thank you very much
00:15:27for being with us and we're going to start with this question
00:15:31about the regular musical chairs that take place in the fashion industry and particularly in haute
00:15:34couture with these changes at the head of the directions. The artistic
00:15:38directors of the big fashion houses, especially a certain
00:15:42number of women who are being replaced more and more often by men, this is recently the case
00:15:45with Maria Grazia Chiuri for Dior and then
00:15:49with Virginie Viard at Chanel who were replaced respectively
00:15:53by Jonathan Anderson and Matthieu Blazy. In
00:15:56your opinion, why do these fashion groups seem
00:16:00to prefer men? I believe it's a
00:16:03broader systemic bias than
00:16:06that. Not just fashion, it's because there are more of them,
00:16:10perhaps they know how to make themselves more visible at certain moments in their careers
00:16:14and so that impacts when we
00:16:17reach a stage in our career in the career of artistic
00:16:20director where we are famous and where we are hired for important
00:16:24positions, all
00:16:28up space in the public sphere and to be there at the right time, are then
00:16:31reflected when it comes to choosing a
00:16:35famous creative personality and... there are more men than women, I may
00:16:38present myself as someone conservative through this, but
00:16:42isn't it finally uh, wouldn't we imagine
00:16:45that a woman would be more able to dress women, that she knows better what a woman's
00:16:49life is like, what it's like to walk in heels, what it's like to run with errands, to go from one
00:16:53place to another to pick up the children, because isn't it simply easier to have a woman to dress
00:16:57women? Uh, there are contemporary artistic directors who
00:17:01understand all these aspects very well, I'm thinking notably of Nicolas Di Felice at
00:17:05Courrèges, but I you... totally
00:17:08uh we may be conservative but well we experiment with clothing and it's true that
00:17:12I as a client, maybe not as a fashion professional but in any case as a
00:17:15client I find myself with much more pragmatic clothes when I buy from
00:17:19female designers like Phoebe Philo or Victoria Beckham than when
00:17:23I buy from brands managed by male designers
00:17:27where it will be more about spectacular clothing but not
00:17:30necessarily practical. Does that mean that for a woman to be at the head of a
00:17:34fashion house, it has to be her own fashion house, that she has to
00:17:38have created it? I find that currently yes, we are there, and more artistic
00:17:41directors positioned in luxury houses, there are certainly still many female
00:17:45artistic directors, they exist, they may be less visible but they exist, however what
00:17:49is clear is that most of them are at the head of their own house,
00:17:53for example the professional media Business of Fashion calculated
00:17:56during Paris Fashion Week that out of the 10 most talked about
00:17:59brands, only three are managed by women and these are the
00:18:03three they founded themselves, Stella McCartney, Victoria Beckham and Miu Miu for
00:18:07Prada, so there is this effect that we hear in feminist
00:18:10speeches for years of ultimately when a woman has to do everything by
00:18:14herself, do we see men artistic
00:18:17directors more as business leaders rather than as
00:18:20creators and women more as
00:18:24industry and finance who do not see in terms of
00:18:28brand growth I don't know uh
00:18:31but that would be a huge mistake to see it that way given that
00:18:35one, finally the... designer who sold the best these
00:18:39last years, is Maria Grazia Chiuri at Dior, so to think that
00:18:42women could not have both hats, would be a huge
00:18:45mistake, uh is it possible to say fundamentally
00:18:48that fashion and feminism are compatible terms, is it not fundamentally
00:18:52contradictory? No, no, I believe it is fundamentally
00:18:56compatible because clothing is a way of
00:18:59controlling the message we send about ourselves. I suggest we
00:19:02listen to Audrey Miyet, she is a historian, a fashion specialist, author of the
00:19:06book "Noir de la Mode" on this subject. Feminism
00:19:09has long seen fashion as an instrument of alienation,
00:19:13the hypersexualization of women, the reduction
00:19:16of their identity to their
00:19:18appearance, and all the controversies we know about
00:19:22anorexia and the standardization of bodies.
00:19:25But fashion is also a tool of emancipation, a
00:19:28way to assert oneself. It allows women to reaffirm their
00:19:32identity, to show creativity, and it's a field
00:19:36of expression in a way. For minorities, so it is possible to make them
00:19:39dialogue, we are always a bit in ambivalence with fashion, yes,
00:19:43but I think that's why today there is something for all tastes and that there is no longer a specific notion of
00:19:47trend and that fashion has decided that to stop being
00:19:50contradictory from one season to the next, it might be better if everyone does what
00:19:54they want and that also goes through some designers who will love flat
00:19:57or very thick but very
00:20:01comfortable shoes like Nicolas Ghesquière at Louis Vuitton and other designers
00:20:04who only swear by heels and at least today there is... for everyone where in the
00:20:08past centuries indeed a fashion like that of the corset which was restrictive could
00:20:12last for centuries, we have talked about female designers in
00:20:16the industry and fashion, there are also therefore the clients and the models
00:20:19and this trend of ultra thinness that we thought was over with the
00:20:25body positivity of plus size models, Natacha Vesnic
00:20:29and Olivia Salazwar Winspier were
00:20:31interested in this phenomenon and its
00:20:34limits.
00:20:37Thinness is back on the runways, the latest Paris
00:20:41fashion shows are proof of this.
00:20:43However, plus-size models like Ashlegram have already
00:20:47walked for Dolce Gabbana, Christian Siriano. or even
00:20:50Michael Kors. The Frenchwoman Leslie Sidora
00:20:53was recently the face of major ready-to-wear brands, but
00:20:57today, body positivity, which advocates self-acceptance,
00:21:01is becoming more and more discreet. According to
00:21:04Vogue Business, 0.8% of the models at the
00:21:07Spring/Summer 2025 Fashion Week were non-standard sizes,
00:21:10a sharp decline compared to 5 years ago. Even confirmed
00:21:14models are seeing their contracts melt away like snow in
00:21:17the sun. The return of thinness on the
00:21:50catwalks is also reflected among
00:21:54celebrities and influencers. The latest
00:21:57example is actress Lily Collins, photographed at the
00:22:00Calvin Klein fashion show in New York, who was sharply
00:22:03criticized on social media for her body, deemed too thin.
00:22:07But paradoxically, on these same networks, a phenomenon called
00:22:10"skinny talk" relays videos promoting extreme
00:22:13diets, a phenomenon denounced by doctors and
00:22:16parents who call on TikTok to better regulate its users.
00:22:20While serious pathologies such as anorexia are not new,
00:22:24the use of certain drugs used as appetite suppressants
00:22:28worries some experts. They claim that drugs
00:22:31like Ozempic, an antidiabetic diverted for weight
00:22:34loss, have changed the game. Leading personalities
00:22:38like Serena Williams even recommend its
00:22:40use, as in this advertisement for a telehealth
00:22:44company that markets Ozempic
00:22:47analogues. Actress Rebel
00:22:50Wilson, as well as TV host Oprah
00:22:54Winfrey, have also admitted to using it to control their
00:22:59question remains, that of appearance in an industry where
00:23:03image is king and where body diversity still
00:23:06doesn't seem to be the
00:23:12priority. Savéria Mandela, at what point did it become desirable
00:23:15to be extremely thin? From the 1990s onwards,
00:23:17the models that we still remember, Claudia Schiffer,
00:23:21Cindy Crawford, Naomi Campbell in the 1980s, were progressively
00:23:25replaced in the early 90s by Kate Moss. Kate Moss was
00:23:28a child when she was recruited, she was 14 years old and when she became very famous she
00:23:32was at 16, then she does her first
00:23:36Kelvin Kly campaign not quite 18, so she still has
00:23:39children, except that her face is so captivating
00:23:42because it appears in a youth magazine called The Face that from then on, the
00:23:46modeling bookers, i.e. the model headhunters, will
00:23:50look for the same type of very androgynous physique because they are not yet
00:23:53formed, unknown to the general public, very
00:23:56childish, and so we will go to Eastern European countries
00:24:00to recruit thinner girls with finer and softer features
00:24:04than those from Central Europe and so on, and so
00:24:07little by little, a consented thinness
00:24:11arrives in the fashion world. Personally, it doesn't make me want to when I see
00:24:15clothes. I want to feel like the person has eaten for
00:24:1815 days beforehand, but that's perhaps my personal
00:24:21opinion. Let's finish this show on a positive note
00:24:25anyway. What are the female talents you've spotted that
00:24:29you think will be the big names of tomorrow? Look at New York
00:24:32Fashion Week. There are many designers who have launched their brands and who
00:24:35are now showing. I'm thinking particularly of Katherine Olstein, who founded
00:24:39the Kate brand, and she is a true businesswoman, which she embodies
00:24:43in her clothes, by the way, but in addition to being an excellent designer,
00:24:46and then Simone Rocha is very
00:24:50romantic, very rococo, but she is excellent. Well, thank you very much for
00:24:54these names. We will keep an eye on these promising people, and thank you,
00:24:58Saveria Mendela, for coming to talk to us about this increasingly
00:25:1740 years about the famine.
00:25:20I think the show far surpasses the book.
00:25:24It's a tragedy that must be remembered, that must be
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00:25:32bread.
00:25:35Return ticket on the great famine of
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00:30:05We meet again for a new update on the news, headlining this newscast, the escalation in
00:30:09Yemen, the Houthis have claimed responsibility for the attack which killed at least
00:30:1358 among the governmental forces supported by
00:30:15Riyadh. This is the deadliest attack since the 2022
00:30:19truce. In Syria, a bomb on a bus near Damascus
00:30:22killed two people in the evening, the attack occurred in Jaramana,
00:30:26a city with a Druze majority, no claim of
00:30:30responsibility has been made for the moment. And
00:30:33then Gianni Infantino, more isolated than ever, despite the
00:30:36withdrawal of his project to open up to private funds, the noose is
00:30:40tightening, UEFA maintains its boycott of the World Cups and
00:30:44the South American Football Confederation is now distancing itself.
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