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00:00:06We are putting a new newspaper in the world tour, solidarity with here are the headlines: the
00:00:10cold in Thailand, first after a deadly shooting that occurred in a school near
00:00:13Bangkok, several people were
00:00:16border controls killed, the shooter was 14 years old, he had clearly planned his
00:00:19attack according to the Prime Minister, the young man also shot his
00:00:22grandparents.
00:00:25In this newspaper too, this unprecedented decision in the United States, Meta
00:00:28condemned by justice. for not protecting children from
00:00:32online dangers, the giant will have to pay nearly a billion
00:00:36dollars, this sum covers the damage caused, the
00:00:39financing of a care program for young victims,
00:00:42Iness Legendre is our guest, lawyers and advocacy
00:00:46manager at e in France, hello to you and see you
00:00:48right away,
00:00:51and then the opposition and the power in Venezuela have started a dialogue,
00:00:54the hope of a political transition in a country
00:00:58bruised by the double earthquake of...
00:01:00last June 24, thousands of people have died, the
00:01:03survivors live in makeshift shelters, Alice Campegnon is
00:01:07waiting for us in Caracas,
00:01:21this question, first of all, how to explain that a 14-year-old boy can
00:01:25shoot his grandparents and then go to his school to, again, sow
00:01:28the... This is what happened in Thailand in the suburbs of
00:01:32Bangkok this Friday, the shooter had clearly planned his
00:01:36attack according to the Prime Minister. Axel Sim tells
00:01:39us more. Outside the school, tearful
00:01:42teachers embraced, the
00:01:46vulnerabilities and failures of staff and students of this school in the Bangkok suburbs experienced a nightmare in the middle of
00:01:49a school day. A 14-year-old adolescent opened fire, killing several
00:01:54that there is also this capture of and injuring about fifteen before committing suicide.
00:01:57Some students and teachers managed to escape. but in the classrooms,
00:02:01others tried to hide or
00:02:03flee,
00:02:05took refuge in the toilets, we thought it was over,
00:02:09then a teacher screamed run fast, the shooter went to another
00:02:12building and ran
00:02:16In the city of Bunia, capital of here,
00:02:18Ituri and epicentre of when I got there, it was total chaos, the students we
00:02:21took care of outside were injured in the back, chest and
00:02:24arm, we gave them first aid, the shooter
00:02:28was still at large at that time.
00:02:31According to the police, the shooter is one
00:02:34and that's the end of this news report, thank you for of the college students, he fired more than twenty bullets with a pistol belonging
00:02:37to his grandfather and was found in possession of thirty additional
00:02:41rounds. The police specified that the shooter had shot his
00:02:45grandparents at their home before going to his college and opening
00:02:49fire. I am deeply saddened, not only for
00:02:52the victims, but also to see that such an incident can occur in our
00:02:56country. This is the reason why the government
00:03:00has not authorized the extension of the right to possess firearms, it is exactly for this
00:03:04reason.
00:03:07The political commitments of recent years to tighten gun laws have not prevented
00:03:11an increase in shootings.
00:03:15It is estimated that there are more than 10 million firearms in circulation in
00:03:20infiltrated all spheres of Thailand, or one for every 7 inhabitants. This is the second fatal shooting in a
00:03:24school in Thailand this year. In 2022, a
00:03:27former police officer also killed 36 people in... a nursery in
00:03:30the north of the country, the majority of whom were
00:03:33children.
00:03:36Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan want to form a common front
00:03:41multiplied within the against any act of aggression. The three states have in any case signed a
00:03:43defense pact to this effect and it is stated in a press release that the objective of
00:03:47this alliance is to promote peace, security and stability
00:03:51in a Middle Eastern region in full
00:03:55war between the United States and Iran with a resumption of the conflict in
00:03:59Yemen, a country neighboring Saudi
00:04:01Arabia, we remind you,
00:04:05Meta condemned for public disorder and ordered to pay nearly
00:04:08a billion dollars to repair
00:04:11to temperature checks. the damage caused to young users of Facebook,
00:04:15in a few hours, Abelardo de Instagram and WhatsApp notably, this decision was pronounced by a
00:04:18New Mexico judge, it's a first in the United States, the American giant
00:04:21must also create a compensation fund of
00:04:24567 million dollars, this sum must allow
00:04:28to finance over 5 years programs for mental health and prevention
00:04:32for the youngest, we pause for a moment on this unprecedented event,
00:04:36as I said in the United States, we make you react Inness Legendre, hello
00:04:40to you, you are a lawyer and advocacy manager at I in France, thank you for taking
00:04:43a few moments to answer our questions. Inness Legendre,
00:04:46what does this court decision tell us, that Meta is clearly failing in
00:04:50the protection of minors and
00:04:54even creating addiction to these platforms,
00:04:56that's what it's
00:04:59about, that's what it's about... question and it's above all we observe a bit
00:05:02of a change in logic, that is to say that very often social networks have hidden behind
00:05:06their role as a host by explaining that they
00:05:09were there only to, well, host videos. that they were in no way
00:05:13responsible for the videos that were on their platform
00:05:16and in fact with this decision which, as you say, is quite unprecedented, we clearly observe that
00:05:20precisely they can be declared responsible precisely because they
00:05:24will with their algorithms promote
00:05:27videos that will unfortunately have an impact on the mental health
00:05:31of the youngest and it is in this sense that this decision is extremely
00:05:34important. how does it translate its effects on the mental
00:05:38health of the youngest? are you particularly familiar with this
00:05:40question? Yes, absolutely, it's really
00:05:44something that we deal with at 3018 which is the national number against
00:05:48harassment and digital violence against minors and typically
00:05:51if we take the impact on mental health it will be to be able to
00:05:55watch videos that talk about eating
00:05:58disorders that talk about how to commit suicide,
00:06:02how to fall into depression and in fact the more we watch videos that
00:06:06talk about these contents, the more the social network will offer
00:06:09them to us and finally on minds... still vulnerable not fully
00:06:13developed typically children, it will have a really
00:06:17considerable impact on them. has the American giant
00:06:20pulled out the argument of also referring to
00:06:24parental responsibility to try to
00:06:27somehow share the responsibility for these effects?
00:06:29So that's something we hear a lot,
00:06:32except that the responsibility cannot rest with the
00:06:35parents for the simple reason that they don't all have the same
00:06:39resources, the same time or even the same skills. And we must not
00:06:43forget that it is these platforms, it is these giants that actually create
00:06:46these services that are well founded on the
00:06:50capture of attention and therefore they are the ones who must be
00:06:53held responsible for these services since they are the ones who exploit the
00:06:58children's attention but not only that, also adults as we can see
00:07:01with our relationship to social networks, it's true, you do well to point out
00:07:07attention that concerns us too. Would you say, Innesse
00:07:10Legendre, relying also
00:07:12on your experience and the cases you deal with, that we are facing a real
00:07:16public health issue
00:07:18worldwide?
00:07:21Of course, and we've been warning about it for years, because we've been dealing with
00:07:25these risks for years, which are not only linked, as
00:07:28we said, to the content that is put, that is valued or disseminated on social
00:07:32networks, but also to how young people will be able to get in
00:07:36contact with other people who can be ill-intentioned, and we know very well
00:07:39that whether it's situations of cyber harassment, extortion, or grooming, these are
00:07:43things that have considerable impacts on mental health but also on the
00:07:47physical health of young people, and it is essential that this be truly taken
00:07:50into account and, above all, that the responsibility of platforms be finally acknowledged.
00:07:54How do you react when you know that even if you talk about the responsibility
00:07:58of platforms that must be acknowledged, Meta has already made it known that the American
00:08:01giant has announced that it will appeal, we know that the group is facing
00:08:05several lawsuits, it has the means today to ensure its
00:08:09defense and to pay these astronomical sums, in this case. Talking about
00:08:13a billion, beyond these financial sanctions and these lawsuits
00:08:16again that it has the ability to bear,
00:08:19why doesn't the method change? How do you
00:08:21explain that?
00:08:24Well, because it's very complicated to change things that have become ingrained
00:08:28very, very quickly. We can see that more than seven out of ten children,
00:08:31at least in France, who have already subscribed to at least one social network
00:08:35it's extremely difficult also to change norms and that's precisely why
00:08:39as much in the United States but also across the Atlantic here. In France
00:08:43or in Europe, we are also trying to change things, so of course,
00:08:46regulation always takes time, that's also why we need to
00:08:50accompany it with digital education, risk prevention
00:08:53precisely so that the restriction can accompany prevention
00:08:57and that we can finally reverse this norm and
00:09:00reverse, as I said earlier, our relationship to social networks and understand
00:09:04that there are risks and that there are things that are completely harmful on
00:09:07digital majority, the French case, we will stop there and set a clear
00:09:11benchmark at 15 years old for children
00:09:15and for families, is this already
00:09:19do you welcome this advance?
00:09:22Is it enough? We often talk about the possibility of circumventing
00:09:25these rules?
00:09:27So digital majority, as you said, it sets a clear benchmark for children
00:09:31as well as for families, for parents, it also gives them a strong
00:09:35argument to, well, make their children understand that social networks carry
00:09:39risks and precisely France sought to be a pioneer within
00:09:42the European Union and its initiative specifically contributed to accelerating
00:09:46discussions in Brussels on digital majority and also it's an important
00:09:49signal addressed to platforms and that's what's very important is that access for the youngest to
00:09:53social networks can no longer rely on simple declarative rules which
00:09:57furthermore were largely circumvented for years because we must not forget
00:10:01that social networks themselves had a ban on
00:10:05minors under 13 years old on social networks so
00:10:08it's how how
00:10:11how? typically, let's take a concrete case, a 12 or 13 year old child, well,
00:10:15wants to create an account on Instagram for
00:10:18example, concretely, what could prevent them
00:10:21today?
00:10:23Uh, there are several devices. Several solutions that will be put in place, we will
00:10:27refer this to both France and the European Commission on age
00:10:30verification and the tools that will be put in place,
00:10:34all we know at the moment is that the ban will happen in two stages, firstly from
00:10:38September 1st, those under 15 will no longer be able to create
00:10:42an account and then the accounts of 15 year olds will be verified
00:10:46from January 1st uh
00:10:48that's what you were saying earlier, it's true that we can always
00:10:52circumvent, we can always bypass
00:10:55this ban, we know very well that young people will be able
00:10:58to try to circumvent it by various means, but
00:11:01what we must also understand is that we must be
00:11:04interested in why young people will also circumvent it, social
00:11:08networks bring risks but also bring spaces for
00:11:11socialization, very strong needs for young people to interact with each other, to
00:11:15create, to learn, and so, well, it's very, very important also to
00:11:18be able to offer alternatives to these social
00:11:22networks or rather that social networks take their
00:11:25responsibility again and offer digital environments that are truly
00:11:28adapted to the development of minors, that's it, you say something very interesting, which is that we must
00:11:32not demonize social networks, especially since as
00:11:36a parent it is necessarily worrying, what you mean by
00:11:39that is that perhaps we should also accompany them, also explain the
00:11:42danger, the risk to which the youngest can be exposed, but to ban it
00:11:46completely would be counterproductive?
00:11:50Let's say that in any case, digital majority what is very important, is that
00:11:54there are risks. on social networks, social network models are not
00:11:58designed for children, for minors and that is precisely why
00:12:02we have taken this regulation,
00:12:05now it is up to the platforms if they wish to improve their
00:12:09model to do so since of course the ban must be accompanied by a
00:12:13real effort of prevention and digital education since we know very well that delaying
00:12:16exposure to social networks is one thing but giving young people the means
00:12:20to understand the digital environments in which they evolve is another and it is
00:12:24also important. since they must learn to understand what they
00:12:27see, why they see it, but also to identify situations of
00:12:30manipulation or violence and especially to know who to turn to when they
00:12:34encounter an online problem. Thank you very much Inness Legendre, thank
00:12:38you for taking the time to answer our questions on France 24, I remind you that you are a lawyer and advocacy
00:12:41manager at I Enfance. The news now takes us to
00:12:45Colombia, all eyes will be on Cali in a few hours,
00:12:49a large security system has been deployed, the
00:12:52far-right president Abelardo de la Espriella must take
00:12:56an oath, elected last June, the
00:12:59politician says he is determined to fight the guerrillas
00:13:03and drug trafficking, this is a discourse that runs
00:13:06counter to what his predecessor Romain Michelot
00:13:09proposed.
00:13:13Patrols everywhere in Cali, Colombia's third
00:13:16city, it is here under high security that the
00:13:19inauguration of the newly elected far-right president,
00:13:23Abelardo de la Esprieya, takes place. More than 11,000 men and women
00:13:27have been deployed here with drones, anti-drone systems,
00:13:30armored vehicles and everything necessary for this
00:13:34democratic event to take place peacefully.
00:13:37Normally, this inauguration of the Colombian president takes place in the
00:13:41capital, Bogotá, but not with Abelardo de la
00:13:44Esprieya. The millionaire lawyer, a political novice,
00:13:48chose Cali where attacks claimed by guerrillas recently took
00:13:51place, a symbol because the new president promises a strong
00:13:55hand to fight these armed groups and drug trafficking,
00:13:59bombings against the camps of these organizations or even the
00:14:02creation of mega prisons as in El Salvador. A program
00:14:06hammered home since his election last June and contrary to his
00:14:09left-wing predecessor Gustavo Petro who had tried to negotiate the
00:14:13disarmament of these armed groups. There will be no
00:14:16false peace process, the only peace possible is imposed by arms,
00:14:20any bandit who does not submit will be eliminated, I warned
00:14:23you, for this... "Colombia can count on the support of the
00:14:27United States and Israel, whose representatives will be present at the
00:14:30inauguration ceremony, but these very muscular statements also
00:14:34worry a part of the population.
00:14:38According to his announcements, we clearly see that he will be a rather
00:14:42authoritarian leader.
00:14:45I just hope there won't be violence, new violence within the
00:14:48population. A challenge, because according to the
00:14:52Foundation Idea for Peace, in 2025,... "Colombia had
00:14:56nearly 25,000 armed people within illegal
00:14:59organizations.
00:15:02Is reconciliation possible in Venezuela? In any
00:15:05case, a dialogue has begun between the government and the opposition,
00:15:09without the leader of this camp, she is still in exile. And the two parties met
00:15:13around the same table, a meeting at the end of which many
00:15:16hope to see a political transition and a calendar for future
00:15:20elections. Venezuela bruised by the double
00:15:23earthquake of last June 24 in the La Guaira region, the official
00:15:27death toll stands at over 6,000, we will come back to this
00:15:31figure, to the number of missing
00:15:33in a moment, but first we will check in with you, Alice Camp.
00:15:37Hello to you live from Caracas, Alice, let's stop for a moment with you on the
00:15:41humanitarian situation in Venezuela, it should concern 25,000 people, at least
00:15:45are homeless, survivors who live in makeshift
00:15:48tents or
00:15:49shelters,
00:15:52Yes, absolutely, there are about a hundred
00:15:56shelters throughout the territory, but above all in
00:15:59La Guaira, the most affected area, these shelters
00:16:03are set up in schools, in gyms, in stadiums,
00:16:06sometimes in... uh vacant lots in more or less
00:16:10precarious conditions, as you said, people live uh in
00:16:14tents and the few services that can be
00:16:17found there are provided by NGOs, I am
00:16:20talking about toilets, showers, of course
00:16:23uh medical services and also psychological
00:16:27care, because the needs in mental health are very great
00:16:30today, imagine you no longer have a home and you have to
00:16:34mourn a loved one, these are
00:16:37extremely difficult conditions and then the
00:16:41future prospects for the victims are quite
00:16:45limited, the government has promised
00:16:49about 4,000 homes by
00:16:51the end of the year, these are uh figures that leave
00:16:55experts quite perplexed, we don't know how the government
00:16:59will build all these homes in such a short
00:17:02time and then uh well during this... finally
00:17:06well it's whole families who live in the rainy
00:17:10season in tents provided by individuals, there are
00:17:14children, there are pregnant women, there are elderly people who
00:17:17have nothing else to do today but
00:17:21to wait and then figures they are probably waiting for and
00:17:24which are not coming Alice well we know that the official figures around
00:17:27the number of victims stand at more than 6,000 deaths but no
00:17:31indication however on the number of disappeared.
00:17:35Yes, that's right,
00:17:38it's the figure that no one gives, that no one
00:17:42wants to give, neither the organizations nor
00:17:45the government, so yes, more than 6,000 dead, but we know that
00:17:48there are thousands more, all those
00:17:52people who are still under the rubble, all those
00:17:55corpses that have not been extracted, you
00:17:59should know that the searches continue, more than
00:18:0240 days after the earthquake, that you have to imagine towers
00:18:06of 15-20 stories full of inhabitants, so
00:18:10it's a colossal job to dig
00:18:13tunnels to go uh to look for
00:18:16the corpses trapped under these tons of concrete. Currently, some
00:18:19buildings are being cleared
00:18:23even though not all the bodies
00:18:27have been extracted, this is a problem for the families who
00:18:31would like to give them a burial,
00:18:34but these are uh safety
00:18:38reasons that require this
00:18:40type of clearing. In any case, what everyone fears
00:18:44is that these figures of disappeared will never be given by the
00:18:48government which, before the disaster, was already quite
00:18:51secretive, never gave figures and well today we fear that
00:18:55this will continue, the UN at the very beginning
00:18:59just after the earthquake had spoken of
00:19:0250,000 disappeared, today
00:19:05the organization is backing down. But off
00:19:08the record, they give the figure
00:19:11of 10,000 disappeared. Thank you
00:19:14very much Alice Campegneel live from Caracas for France
00:19:1724. We now come to this more than worrying
00:19:21figure, the number of positive cases of the
00:19:24Ebola virus is increasing further in the Democratic Republic of Congo,
00:19:27at least 4,000 people are currently contaminated according to the country's Public Health Institute
00:19:31and the disease is particularly prevalent in the eastern
00:19:34provinces. The decline in international aid has further
00:19:38weakened the care of the most deprived. Axel Simon tells
00:19:41us more:
00:19:42One by one, passengers are subjected
00:19:49Health authorities in the Democratic Republic of Congo fear that
00:19:52someone who has contracted the virus may be on board this
00:19:56riverboat bound for Kinshasa. The vessel
00:19:59was intercepted in Malouku, about sixty kilometers upstream
00:20:02from the river.
00:20:05Denmark. Italy had even asked. for Spain to leave
00:20:08the Schengen area, it was last Friday, the day after the first
00:20:12day of the crisis that the Italian Prime Minister announced the re-establishment
00:20:16of border controls for people coming from
00:20:20Spain, an exceptional measure to preserve
00:20:24national security, according
00:20:26to her, measures adopted without notice,
00:20:30unilaterally and on the basis of fallacious arguments according to the
00:20:33Spanish government in its communiqué
00:20:36today, Tuesday we thought we saw an improvement in this
00:20:40diplomatic crisis between Italy and Spain
00:20:43because following the meeting of the interior ministers to
00:20:47take stock of this crisis in Ceuta, the Italian interior minister
00:20:50had expressed Italy's sincere
00:20:54Spain, but this was not enough to ease tensions and we
00:20:57now see with what we have just learned, Italy
00:21:00is backtracking since it rejects
00:21:04Spain's ultimatum, will be maintained until
00:21:07August 15th. Word from Petit
00:21:10Jouvet live from Madrid for France 24.
00:21:13We now come to this more than worrying
00:21:17figure, the number of positive cases. of the Ebola
00:21:20virus is increasing further in the Democratic Republic of Congo,
00:21:24at least 4,000 people are currently contaminated according to the country's Public Health Institute
00:21:28and the disease is particularly prevalent in the eastern
00:21:31provinces. The decline in international aid has further
00:21:35weakened the care of the most deprived. Axel Simon tells
00:21:39us more: one by one, passengers are subjected
00:21:42to a temperature test. The health authorities of the Democratic
00:21:46Republic of Congo fear that a person who has contracted the virus.
00:21:50is on board this river vessel bound for
00:21:53Kinshasa. The ship was intercepted in Malouku, about
00:21:56sixty kilometers upstream from the capital to prevent the
00:22:00spread of the virus to new areas. We were expecting these
00:22:03boats, we prepared ourselves so that we could
00:22:07totally screen the boats, all the passengers who
00:22:10are on
00:22:13board and to make sure that
00:22:16there is no case
00:22:20that can enter Kinshasa. The
00:22:2317th Ebola epidemic continues to rage in the DRC, the
00:22:27number of confirmed cases of this new variant has exceeded
00:22:304000 and more than 1800 people have died.
00:22:33Mimai, the first case was detected in the province of Ituri in the
00:22:37northeast of the country, since then contaminations have multiplied
00:22:41in four other provinces. The director of the WHO went to
00:22:45the DRC on Wednesday, calling for an intensification of the
00:22:48medical response.
00:22:51I am deeply concerned by the situation on the
00:22:53ground.
00:22:56The epidemic is ahead of us, it is progressing
00:22:59rapidly, so we must accelerate the pace to catch up and
00:23:02stop it.
00:23:08the epidemic, the largest Ebola detection and treatment center
00:23:11has just emerged. While several laboratories are actively researching a
00:23:15vaccine, there is currently no approved treatment against this
00:23:19variant. called
00:23:20Boundybugio
00:23:24watching.
00:23:28suivi.
00:23:33In 1946, Moldova was ravaged by
00:23:36famine. In the public space, people did not talk about the
00:23:39famine, the word was absolutely
00:23:41forbidden.
00:24:2180 years later, a return ticket to the great famine of Moldova.
00:30:0924, welcome to Around the World, change of method and discourse
00:30:12in Colombia, far-right president elected last June will be sworn in
00:30:18la Espriella says he is determined to fight guerrillas and drug
00:30:21trafficking with bombings if necessary. Maxime
00:30:25Pluvine is our special correspondent in Akali, we will find him in a few
00:30:28moments.
00:30:31The cold has arrived. after a fatal shooting at a school near
00:30:35Bangkok, several people were killed, the shooter was 14 years old, he
00:30:39had clearly planned his attack according to the prime minister, the young man
00:30:43had shot his grandparents
00:30:45before attacking his school,
00:30:49and then in this newspaper we will tell you about these players of the Afghan
00:30:52football team, they are meeting for the first time in
00:30:55New Zealand to train and play friendly matches, a new
00:30:59start for...