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00:00:00in France to live on France 24.
00:00:12Hello, almost 3 years after the October 7th attacks, Israel
00:00:16is in an electoral campaign in
00:00:19unprecedented, and a marked presence of a context where war and regional threats are more relevant than ever. This is also
00:00:23Benjamin Netanyahu's main argument to voters,
00:00:26but also to all his opponents who accuse the Prime Minister of seeking to remain
00:00:30in power to avoid being held accountable. What is the reality of the
00:00:33danger, and also the political dimension in all of this? To help us see things
00:00:37more clearly, the co-founder of the Atlantic Middle East Forum is with
00:00:41us, David Calfa, co-director of the Observatory of the
00:00:44Middle East at the Jean Jaurès Foundation. But
00:00:47let's first go back to the latest revelations,
00:00:50on less than 40% of those from the newspaper ART. The Israeli daily claims that
00:00:52Benjamin Netanyahu had been warned of the imminent attack in
00:00:56preparation just a few days before October 7, 2023.
00:01:02The Israeli daily Arets published an investigation that directly implicates
00:01:05Benjamin Netanyahu. According to the newspaper's information, the Prime Minister
00:01:09had been alerted by the President of the United Arab Emirates 10 days
00:01:13before October 7. The Emirati leader reportedly warned that Hamas
00:01:17was preparing a large-scale attack from Gaza, information that he
00:01:21allegedly did not pass on to his security services. Benjamin Netanyahu's cabinet
00:01:24called these revelations an absolute lie, even denying
00:01:28having exchanged with Mohamed Benzaï. During this period, in the midst
00:01:32of the election campaign, the opponents of the outgoing coalition seize
00:01:35upon the matter, like Gadi Ezencott, former Chief
00:01:39impunity, sometimes under the eyes of of Staff. What did Netanyahu know? When did he know it?
00:01:42Why did he not inform the security apparatus and why did he not
00:01:46act to protect the citizens of Israel? There is no longer
00:01:49any room for excuses, denials and concealments.
00:01:51We commit to the citizens of Israel. As soon as the
00:01:5538th government is established under our leadership, we
00:01:59will establish a national commission of inquiry. Other candidates
00:02:03often been brought up for prime minister demand a commission of inquiry. 3 years after
00:02:06the massacres of October 7, 2023, their consequences
00:02:09continue to weigh on the Israeli public debate. On that day, Hamas
00:02:13militants killed nearly 1,200 people and took
00:02:16250 others hostage. The military
00:02:19response of the Hebrew state in Gaza has, to
00:02:23tone on the part of date, resulted in over 7,000 Palestinian deaths.
00:02:26David Calfa, this type of accusation against Netanyahu is not new,
00:02:30except that Arets gives details that are all the more credible
00:02:34as the information would have come a priori from the United Arab Emirates. Yes, that's it, in fact there has been
00:02:37a whole succession these last months, these last weeks of
00:02:41revelations from the Israeli press, especially we know that
00:02:45uh very probably the the former head of the Egyptian
00:02:48intelligence services, so military in this case, would
00:02:51also have warned Netanyahu, uh in
00:02:55fact this is new evidence for the opposition
00:02:58because it contributes to... if you
00:03:01point of view, but also, like, to again polarize the debate in Israel on the question of Netanyahu's responsibility in
00:03:05uh this strange defeat that was October 7th because
00:03:09for him uh if you like his strategy from the start
00:03:13has been to try to shift the center of gravity of the electoral
00:03:16debate towards the consequences of this October and especially what he
00:03:20considers to be his military successes on the six successive
00:03:23fronts and particularly obviously with regard to the
00:03:26Iranian threat. But here it brings back to
00:03:31the center of Israeli news, which is not good for him, this question of his
00:03:34political, institutional, strategic and moral responsibility.
00:03:38He is suing Arets to clear his name in the eyes of public opinion,
00:03:42yes well we must not forget that Netanyahu is
00:03:46a, shall we say, a shrewd politician so he knows full well that in fact the judicial
00:03:49time is not the political time so this lawsuit primarily
00:03:53aims to cement his electoral base a little, to show that he is
00:03:57not retreating, that he is on the offensive, while in fact it puts
00:04:01him in a rather uncomfortable situation and
00:04:03why do I say that because the strictly, we could
00:04:07say, almost socio-political stake of this
00:04:10electoral cycle is the question of what we
00:04:14call turncoats, so he has roughly 40% which is considerable
00:04:17so 40% of the Likud electorate who say they are
00:04:21ready to vote for one of the parties of the opposition bloc
00:04:24so this floating electorate can very clearly determine
00:04:28the outcome of the next elections. What is the electorate's view, depending on whether
00:04:32one is Likud
00:04:35of disruption by Hisencott in the or center-left, on these revelations? Oh, we need to refer to a well-known concept in sociology,
00:04:39differential politicization, meaning that in fact, when you are on the right
00:04:42and pro-Netanyahu, it won't change much because the
00:04:46emotional attachment to the leader means that
00:04:50you will interpret this information through a very particular prism
00:04:54which basically consists of accusing the opposition of
00:04:58wanting to weaken Netanyahu again while we are 4 weeks before the elections,
00:05:02whereas obviously for the opposition, the opposite interpretation is
00:05:05made of the same fact, namely these revelations, and consists
00:05:09precisely in again holding Netanyahu accountable
00:05:12for his failures and overwhelming responsibility in
00:05:16this historic failure. Is this the effect of these revelations? In any case, the
00:05:19partners of the ruling coalition each play their part
00:05:23in a clear form of one-upmanship by Hamel.
00:05:27Benjamin Netanyahu officially launched the campaign Thursday evening
00:05:30at his Likud headquarters. So he has two key
00:05:34points for the Israeli right: first, Benjamin Netanyahu intends
00:05:37to address undecided voters as well as those who
00:05:41might vote for center or center-right parties
00:05:44aligned with the opposition. Benjamin Netanyahu needs
00:05:47these votes to ensure the possibility of forming a
00:05:51coalition and thus having 61 deputies, which allows him to
00:05:55govern Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu, who delivered a speech
00:05:58entirely dedicated to the theme of security, thus clearly addressing
00:06:02these undecided Israelis, while at the same time
00:06:05his far-right allies say they still want to play a
00:06:09key role in this campaign and in these elections. Itamarben. Vir of
00:06:12the Jewish Power party, which is at its lowest in the polls, credited
00:06:16with six seats by several Israeli polling institutes,
00:06:20the far-right hopes to be able to remain in a coalition
00:06:23with the right and the Likud party of Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:06:27At the same time, the Israeli opposition is rallying
00:06:31around the figure of Gaddy Eisencott with one slogan, that of bringing
00:06:34down Benjamin Netanyahu on October 27th.
00:06:38next. David Kelfa, we've just seen that there's
00:06:42competition between right-wing parties, as is customary in
00:06:46a democracy that elects its parliament
00:06:49according to proportional suffrage. Is this competition harmful
00:06:52or, on the contrary, can it be beneficial like a sweep car, almost, to
00:06:56rally votes towards Netanyahu? It's too early to tell, in fact, at this
00:07:00stage, the figures we have show that it's putting Netanyahu
00:07:03in a difficult position because, fundamentally, Israeli political life is structured
00:07:07no longer around the opposition between right and
00:07:11left, but primarily around the opposition between what I would call the pro-Netanyahu camp and the anti-Netanyahu
00:07:14camp, an illiberal, anti-liberal, nationalist, secular and religious
00:07:18right on the one hand and a collection of heterogeneous
00:07:22parties ranging from the nationalist but secular and liberal right to the
00:07:26social-democratic left, and what we can say is that in fact there is
00:07:29an intra-bloc competition, that is, within the
00:07:33pro-Netanyahu bloc itself, which is actually much more fragmented than
00:07:37we think, and when we look today at the electoral
00:07:40dynamics, the weakening of his far-right partners is good news for
00:07:43Netanyahu in the short term because it allows him to bring back a certain number
00:07:46of voters and hope to come out on top in the next elections
00:07:50and thus form a new coalition. The problem is that at the same time, objectively, it
00:07:54shrinks his electoral base and makes him objectively
00:07:58incapable of forming a coalition
00:08:01beyond what one might imagine to be a
00:08:04right-wing and far-right government that would inevitably
00:08:07be, today, when we look again at these minority dynamics.
00:08:11In opposition, the anti-Netanyahu camp, as you just described it,
00:08:15we talk about the center-left, but it's rather a heterogeneous assembly of opponents to the person
00:08:19of Benjamin Netanyahu, isn't it? It's not really a center-left assembly,
00:08:22well, it's actually a, let's say, a very
00:08:26composite bloc that
00:08:28diverges on absolutely fundamental issues, the Palestinian
00:08:32question, the socio-economic question, in fact the
00:08:36cement is really the hostility to Netanyahu, the need,
00:08:39the desire to turn a new page and to draw
00:08:43strategic lessons from these 4 years of Netanyahu's
00:08:47governance and his Mephistophelian alliance with the Israeli
00:08:50far-right, so we are in a largely centrist
00:08:54bloc and again whose lowest common denominator
00:08:58is really this desire to put an end to
00:09:01this hegemony of the pro-Netanyahu bloc in Israel
00:09:04uh a bloc finally a coalition that speaks with
00:09:08several voices with at the center the chief of staff, the former chief of staff
00:09:11Gad. code favorite if we are to believe the polls, but he also has personalities
00:09:15who were considered, not long ago, to replace Benjamin Netanyahu, as we just
00:09:19saw, Naftali Bennett. Yes, that's it, so what's exciting is that
00:09:23when you look at this Israeli political landscape, which is very, very
00:09:26fragmented, uh Eisencott, who is a military man,
00:09:29the former chief of staff, uh his party is barely
00:09:331 year old, so he's a novice in politics and barely
00:09:37a few months ago it was more the duo Eisenc, the Lapid
00:09:40Bennet, sorry, who was leading the polls. So there was
00:09:44really a kind
00:09:47Israeli political landscape and today he is considered
00:09:51to be de facto the leader of the opposition, except that
00:09:54the problem with the opposition, as I just said, is that it is heterogeneous and
00:09:58there is no agreement, at least at this stage, on who will be supposed
00:10:02to take the reins after the elections to form a
00:10:05coalition, and that is a weakness because it contributes, if you like, to
00:10:09weakening this posture of Izenkoat, who really presents
00:10:12himself as a figure capable of ending
00:10:16this hegemony of Netanyahu and his alliance with the far-right and
00:10:19the ultra-Orthodox, and moreover, the same
00:10:22Eisencott spoke publicly yesterday
00:10:25to scold his, let's
00:10:28say, allies of the opposition bloc by reproaching them
00:10:32for playing into the hands of Netanyahu and his
00:10:35allies. by an excess of embodiment in a certain way, this
00:10:38campaign is taking place, as we said, in a context of an all-out war, a bit
00:10:44the Israeli army in Gaza and the West Bank by Dalila La Gomerie. Ah yes, this
00:10:47election campaign, as you said, takes place in this
00:10:51context of war in Gaza, despite the ceasefire.
00:10:54Benjamin Netanyahu was in Gaza a few days ago, trying
00:10:57to reassure Israelis by telling them that
00:11:01they controlled the situation, that they continued to target Hamas members,
00:11:05and above all that they were at home in Gaza. We see
00:11:08on this map that
00:11:11Palestinians now live
00:11:15the area of Gaza, and
00:11:18Benjamin Netanyahu's ministers, like Itamar Bengvir, Israel Katz, or
00:11:22Bezalel Smotrich, propose
00:11:25to empty Gaza of its inhabitants or even to extend
00:11:29the measure to the West Bank. These
00:11:32proposals elicit reactions, notably from Gady
00:11:35Eisencot, former Chief of Staff, whom we just
00:11:38mentioned. He is Netanyahu's main rival, Benjamin
00:11:42Netanyahu. He accuses Benjamin Netanyahu of having
00:11:46no political strategy in Gaza and of getting bogged down in
00:11:50the West Bank, the West Bank which is the other Palestinian front where
00:11:53the Israeli army remains mobilized and where
00:11:57settlers attack, intimidate, dispossess, or even
00:12:00kill Palestinians with complete
00:12:04the Israeli army, which lets them do so. Villages are besieged
00:12:08like that of Cousra, which has been much talked about these last
00:12:11days, so much so that this Israeli NGO
00:12:15B'Tselem speaks of apartheid, I quote, with the
00:12:18aim of eliminating Palestinians from the occupied
00:12:21West Bank. David Calfa, the fate of the West Bank depends
00:12:25on the outcome of these elections with this large construction project E1 which threatens
00:12:29in fact to break the territorial continuity of the Palestinian
00:12:33territory. Most certainly, in fact, when we look at the policy of the outgoing
00:12:36coalition, it is very clear, it is a desire to annex
00:12:39de facto the Jordan uh
00:12:43in fact what could change in a very concrete way is both a change of
00:12:48the next coalition if, again, Ezenkot
00:12:52were to win the elections, uh uh so less
00:12:56polarization, less populist overbidding
00:12:59practiced abundantly by Netanyahu's far-right allies, and especially on the political
00:13:03level, what will change is a freeze on what we call
00:13:06E1, which would in fact bury, if this policy
00:13:09were carried out to its end by the outgoing coalition, the two-state
00:13:13solution, and also, above all, the question of the violence of
00:13:17certain radicalized settlers who
00:13:20constitute a threat to Israel's image first
00:13:23internationally from the opposition's
00:13:26moreover, the question of the very authority of the state
00:13:30uh and notably the monopoly of legitimate physical violence, so there
00:13:33is an absolutely major issue here and on which the army general staff is trying
00:13:37to, let's say, alert the outgoing
00:13:40coalition, the problem is that
00:13:43uh you have more and more soldiers who are
00:13:47somewhat freelancing and that's also somewhat the effect of
00:13:50October 7th, very clearly, uh sometimes the orders given by the general staff
00:13:54when they descend to the most tactical, most
00:13:58operational level, are not necessarily followed, and so that's an issue
00:14:01that will be on the table of the next prime minister, if it's the leader of the opposition, that is,
00:14:05Asencote, I think that
00:14:09we will see mass arrests of settlers
00:14:12and he has committed to it and it will not be a small matter because, again, we see that
00:14:16the army has all the difficulties in fact
00:14:19in imposing at its lowest level
00:14:22obedience, quite simply, to orders and respect for commitments. An army
00:14:26itself questioned in Israel, even in Gaza,
00:14:29through a documentary that won the special jury prize at the Venice Film Festival
00:14:33last Saturday, and which looks back at the civilian deaths in the Palestinian enclave,
00:14:36accusing the Israeli army of resorting to
00:14:40deliberate targeting, that's the whole question via computers,
00:14:43Benjamin Netanyahu's great anger, the Prime Minister intends
00:14:47to strip the two directors of their nationality. Explanation by Victor
00:14:51Fobert for more than an hour and through...
00:15:27the two directors, already Oscar winners for their previous
00:15:29film Noozerland in 2024, state
00:15:33that they want to highlight a system of killing that relies on the
00:15:36surveillance of...
00:16:16are they deliberately targeted
00:16:18or considered, if one can say so, as
00:16:22collateral damage when it comes to killing
00:16:26members of Hamas, that's the whole question posed by this documentary, that's the whole
00:16:29ambiguity of the film. So I was able to attend a screening the day before yesterday and for
00:16:33me, if you like, there are two things, there's first the reaction of the current
00:16:37coalition, which is grotesque and extravagant,
00:16:40I mean, it goes so far as to threaten to strip them of their citizenship
00:16:44when it's not some far-right thugs simply trying to kill
00:16:48them, uh and so that says something about a
00:16:51real drift of this pro-Netanyahu right
00:16:55uh which has been in power for 4 years, and then there's the film itself.
00:16:58So I think it has several weaknesses and notably this ambiguity on which, in my opinion,
00:17:02it plays, uh because I note a shift between the beginning of the film where there's a somewhat
00:17:06serious discussion about urban warfare with
00:17:10difficulty precisely in evaluating what we call collateral
00:17:13damage to civilians who are simply exposed
00:17:16to crossfire between belligerents
00:17:20and who endure this daily war with
00:17:24ratios that vary depending on the theaters of operation, we saw it in Raqqa, Mosul,
00:17:27Fallujah and obviously in Gaza, and
00:17:30then suddenly, in fact, what I noticed was that Hamas
00:17:34completely disappeared from the discussion, and then the
00:17:37accusation that had
00:17:40was really a deliberate, intentional policy that
00:17:44aimed not to destroy Hamas but really to
00:17:47annihilate the Gazan population, so from that point of view, there is a weakness,
00:17:51there is a methodological weakness, it is based on 24 testimonies, so
00:17:54to preserve, of course, the safety of
00:17:57those who testify because what they say is very serious, but the problem is that you have no
00:18:01way to verify the information, to cross-reference it, we don't know their names,
00:18:05we don't know their ranks, their functions, the precise role
00:18:09and the specific elements and events to which they refer,
00:18:12and above all, I think there is an absolutely major confusion for those who know a little
00:18:16about the subject, and it is true that it is a subject that requires a bit of sophistication,
00:18:19it is a very complex subject between what we call the thresholds
00:18:23of authorization, that is, for example, for a strike, if
00:18:26you have an intermediate level Hamas commander or or subordinate,
00:18:30uh the civilian to combatant ratio for an army can
00:18:33vary from 1 to 5, from 1 to 10, from 10 to 15, from 15 to...
00:18:3720, so you are told one combatant killed for 10
00:18:4015 acceptable civilian casualties, so to speak, but that doesn't mean you have
00:18:44authorization to kill, that means that in the system you
00:18:48have this axiom of 1 for 10, 1 for
00:18:5115, 1 for 20, uh that means that this is the first
00:18:54step, that is the question is do you have
00:18:58authorization to give the order to fire,
00:19:01and this ratio evolves according to the context
00:19:05and so a threshold of authorization is not an operational threshold, that is
00:19:08to say that when you have this figure, it does not mean again that you have the
00:19:12right to kill 15, 20,
00:19:1535, 100, that's the figure that was put forward by one of the
00:19:18witnesses, it's even 500, which still seems very, very
00:19:22debatable to me, which does not call into question the disaster that
00:19:26this war constitutes, the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza, and very probable
00:19:29war crimes that were committed during this Israeli
00:19:32response, but I think we need to have a serious
00:19:36discussion about the dilemmas of a
00:19:39regular war in a confined urban environment facing
00:19:43militiamen who, for their part, have no limits because they do not impose
00:19:47the limits of international law, and also because the question of intentionality arises
00:19:51in this debate around genocide, whether or not there is
00:19:54an intention to exterminate the Gazan population.
00:19:58Israel, which sees itself as a besieged country, it must be said that the country is engaged on
00:20:02many fronts. Dalila Laghmari Israel occupies more than 1000
00:20:05km2 of seized territory since October 7,
00:20:08this is what the Financial Times tells us, this
00:20:12is the case of Lebanon, even if Israel has managed to weaken
00:20:16Hezbollah, annihilate its operational capabilities,
00:20:18the Shiite paramilitary
00:20:21group is far from giving up
00:20:25and rejects any agreement with Israel,
00:20:28nevertheless the Hebrew state occupies a part of Lebanon here
00:20:32in the south that we see hatched and in
00:20:35orange and also benefits. It also benefits from the fact that Lebanon does not
00:20:39have the means to get bogged down in the war in Syria where Israel
00:20:43is not officially at war, well the Israeli
00:20:46army regularly conducts incursions,
00:20:49its army is also deployed here along the Golan
00:20:53and makes advances here and there, it makes incursions before
00:20:57its pioneers on the Golan side, all this in total violation of the
00:21:01sovereignty of Syria, finally Benjamin Netanyahu,
00:21:04who is campaigning, constantly hammers that he will also
00:21:07defeat Iran, he boasts of having in these last two
00:21:11years also managed to avert the existential
00:21:14threat that hung over his country,
00:21:18notably by paralyzing the capabilities and the Iranian
00:21:22nuclear program, and among these fronts, you just told us, Dalila, is
00:21:25Lebanon. So what is the situation, how is it experienced on the ground in Beirut, Serge
00:21:29Berberry? Well, you know, in Lebanon, the war
00:21:32hasn't really ended, it has mostly changed
00:21:36forms. Uh, on the ground, Israel still
00:21:39occupies a strip of about 10 km inside Lebanese
00:21:43territory, so in southern Lebanon, uh and in recent
00:21:46weeks Israel has further strengthened its positions in the... area
00:21:50uh on the Thaal ridge, Thaal
00:21:53claims to have destroyed a vast Hezbollah tunnel network, and
00:21:56by the way, the Israeli position is unwavering, no question
00:22:00of leaving as long as Hezbollah is not disarmed, and
00:22:04that's where everything is blocked. Uh, Lebanese President
00:22:07Joseph Aoun says that Hezbollah will have to be
00:22:10disarmed but without internal confrontation,
00:22:14and at the same time, the Lebanese President pushes for
00:22:17negotiation with Israel, uh even talks about
00:22:21a security agreement with uh Israel, an agreement that could
00:22:24eventually pave the way for peace, but you know this
00:22:28Israeli presence in southern Lebanon remains
00:22:31extremely sensitive, uh a presence that revives
00:22:35the memory of the Israeli occupation that ended
00:22:38in 2000, and today everyone
00:22:42is waiting for the other to move first, Israel wants
00:22:45Hezbollah disarmed before leaving, and Beirut
00:22:48wants Israel's departure before being able
00:22:52to regain control of southern Lebanon. David
00:22:55Calfa, Israel has an interest in remaining in Lebanon for the long term. This opinion
00:22:59is widely shared today within the Israeli political
00:23:02class. Yes, this new security paradigm is indeed quite
00:23:06consensual after October 7th, for a very simple reason,
00:23:10which is that, fundamentally, with the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in
00:23:132005, on the armistice lines
00:23:16of the Six-Day War, 67, you
00:23:19have. The problem for a country of Lilliputian size like
00:23:23Israel is what is called the absence of strategic depth, that is, the distance between the front
00:23:26line and the vital centers of the country, so there is a will
00:23:30on the Israeli side, both the majority and the opposition, to gain strategic
00:23:34depth to protect border
00:23:37populations, to also gain alert time because
00:23:41what was also missing on October 7th was the distance between Gaza and the
00:23:45first kibbutzim in southern Israel. By car it's only a few minutes, it's very
00:23:48easy to cross. It was very easy to cross the border, so
00:23:52the question of the alert system is also an absolutely fundamental fact.
00:23:56So, as much as it is rational on the military level, politically and
00:24:00strategically, it seems to me limited because in the
00:24:03medium to long term, because the risk is to recreate the political
00:24:07and societal conditions for an adverse mobilization concerning
00:24:10Hamas in Gaza or Hezbollah in Lebanon, which
00:24:14has a good argument to say that it defends the sovereignty of
00:24:17Lebanon, even if in fact this is not true since each time it
00:24:20has contributed to bringing war back to the land of the
00:24:24cedar on several occasions, and even if today there is a real
00:24:28political will on the part of the Lebanese state to restore its sovereignty over its entire
00:24:31territory, we are witnessing this kind of dilemma,
00:24:35there is really a specter haunting Israelis today, it is
00:24:39a kind of repetition of October 7th, a repetition of this nightmarish
00:24:42scenario of a massive attack with a border crossing. I
00:24:46remind you that in the document signed by Yerkiessinoire,
00:24:50in addition to the very precise instructions given to Hamas
00:24:53militiamen to commit massacres and desecrate bodies, there was
00:24:57also a rather sustained dialogue with the Iranian regime and with
00:25:01Hezbollah with the hope that the October 7th attack would provoke a land
00:25:04invasion from northern Israel by Hezbollah militiamen. So this
00:25:08threat is taken very seriously, but the problem once again is that
00:25:12we are not in a situation where there is no strategy from this point of view, because this will
00:25:16create a military occupation, so from a tactical point of view for Israeli
00:25:20soldiers, there is a moment when the risk of an insurrection arises, so the
00:25:23scenario of the 80s basically repeats itself, and
00:25:27above all, the question is what is the way out of the crisis? Can we deal with
00:25:31threats only from a military point of view? So,
00:25:34and this militarization of Israeli national security,
00:25:37we see its limits as long as it does not propose a security architecture and
00:25:41a new, lasting and desirable political order, we risk finding
00:25:44ourselves in these blockages and this dilemma that has been perfectly described, which is found in
00:25:48Gaza. Hamas also in Gaza
00:25:50conditions its disarmament on the withdrawal of the Israeli army.
00:25:53Conversely, Israel conditions its withdrawal on the disarmament of Hamas, so we are in a situation of
00:25:57almost absolute deadlock, and we see indeed the complexity of the
00:26:01stakes at... a little more than a month now from these legislative
00:26:04elections. Thank you for being with us, David Calfa. This is the
00:26:08end of this program. Thank you for following it. You can find us on our website france24.com.
00:30:10newscast, here are the headlines: Moscow and Kyiv continue to strike back and
00:30:14forth, last night was deadly on both
00:30:16sides, two people were killed in the Moscow region, in the
00:30:20outskirts of Kyiv there are at least four dead, including three
00:30:23children.
00:30:26Voting again this Sunday in Germany, legislative elections in
00:30:29two Länder, that of Berlin and that of... Mecklenburg, Western
00:30:33Pomerania, a high-risk election for Chancellor Frederic
00:30:36Schmers, more unpopular than
00:30:39ever.
00:30:42And then the Heritage Days, an opportunity to discover sites often
00:30:45inaccessible normally, but since it's allowed for a weekend, we will take you to
00:30:49visit the secret galleries of the mythical Fort Boyard, which you
00:30:53see images of on
00:30:55the screen.