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00:00:00the Paris of arts in Geneva to discover on France
00:00:1314 in France, the Pope is having many meetings this
00:00:16morning, he spoke with Catholics after visiting a center
00:00:20for the reception and integration of exiled people, he called
00:00:23for living together in dignity and
00:00:26peace. meanwhile, the faithful are starting to
00:00:312026, energy prices rising slowly flow towards the Place de la Concorde and the Champs-Élysées, the
00:00:33Pope will celebrate a mass in XXL format from 3pm, he
00:00:37will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we find Florence Gaillard
00:00:41on site
00:01:01accompany you throughout the
00:01:11The Pope continues his time of speeches and
00:01:14exist, it's too brutal, but meditation with various actors of civil and religious society. He went early in the morning to the Bakita
00:01:18house located in the north of Paris where he
00:01:21us deeply, it's the question of spoke with exiled people cared for by the
00:01:24diocese in this reception center. This visit was meticulously planned, but it
00:01:28allowed him to emphasize the...
00:01:37to lower France's we risk having
00:01:55quickly on the issue of
00:02:00love as an alternative to the
00:02:04am going to offer you a tour of culture that disintegrates communities and
00:02:07makes cities sick with loneliness.
00:02:11Another highlight at the moment at the Catholic Institute is a meeting with catechumens.
00:02:14The Pope also visited the Saint Joseph des Carmes
00:02:18church. At Place de la Concorde, access opened
00:02:21at 9am for a mass scheduled at 3pm. The
00:02:25Pope will descend the Champs-Élysées at 2:15pm. The organizers expect
00:02:29a very large influx. A large cross, you see it, 4
00:02:33meters high, is suspended above the altar in this
00:02:36place where Louis XVI
00:02:40mayor. In the rest of and Marie Antoinette were guillotined, as well as thousands of people during the
00:02:42Revolution. This shows the symbolism of this place for
00:02:46this mass which
00:02:49project under tension. On the sidelines will allow for contemplation and
00:02:50accelerate on the issue of prayer this afternoon. We will then find Florence Gaillard
00:02:53in Place de la Concorde. Florence, hello. Are the faithful
00:02:56starting to arrive yet?
00:03:02So the Parisians are arriving, the Parisians and tourists, the
00:03:05faithful are arriving slowly but surely. The accesses, as you
00:03:09said, were opened from 9am, but
00:03:12for now, it's more the choristers you hear
00:03:15behind me who are practicing, it's more the security that is in
00:03:19place, knowing that this Place de la Concorde has been blocked since
00:03:23yesterday evening, it will be blocked until this evening
00:03:25at 8pm. The entire axis from the Place de la Concorde to the Avenue de la Grande
00:03:29Armée is obviously blocked,
00:03:32secured, and so, above all, in this entire
00:03:35assembly, I met an
00:03:38total cynicism by army of volunteers who are making sure that everything goes very well, and I
00:03:41met Margot, 23, who is one of the volunteers, she is next to me
00:03:45and has agreed to answer our questions. Margot, first
00:03:48question, why are you here? What are you doing here? I think you went to bed
00:03:51late and didn't sleep much? Yes, so I'm
00:03:55volunteering today as a team member at the Concorde.
00:03:57équipière à la concorde.
00:04:00For me, volunteering has always been part of my family values.
00:04:04It's something that has always been part of our daily life, so it's
00:04:07natural for me to be part of this event from the inside as
00:04:11a volunteer.
00:04:13Have you always been Catholic? Did it happen because of your Catholic
00:04:17culture, the Catholic tradition that you are here? Not at all,
00:04:21I don't come from a particularly Catholic family. I was baptized as a child,
00:04:25but nothing more. My parents wanted it to be a personal
00:04:28choice. So
00:04:32are back and two years ago I started going to beginning to flock to the Place de church with my mother and la Concorde and the Champs-Élysées, the
00:04:34I was a catechumen and I made my first communion and my
00:04:37confirmation at Pentecost last year.
00:04:41So you are one of these new not new converts, but at least
00:04:48of the far right pretty much the way to recover recommencing. You were at the Stade de France yesterday, I believe. You are here today,
00:04:51you slept 3 hours last night. What is your feeling, what is
00:04:55your impression of this papal trip?
00:04:58against attacks from It's magical, there are people everywhere, everyone is happy to be here, we feel the peace with
00:05:02us, these are moments of
00:05:05was a UN sharing, last night it was a simply magnificent
00:05:07evening, but
00:05:09of the UN, but also we are all happy to be here and it is a joy to be part of... this
00:05:12event, that's it for Margot, who is visibly
00:05:16happy to be here despite the lack of sleep. The fervor was
00:05:20very strong last night at the Stade de France, and it is likely to be very strong
00:05:23today at the Place de la Concorde. The choristers, the
00:05:271500 choristers from all over France, are practicing for the
00:05:30chants for later. The mass will not begin until 3pm, but
00:05:34the Pope will make a 30 to 45 minute walk
00:05:38before that on the Champs-Élysées, so we are now waiting for the sovereign
00:06:25news this Saturday,
00:06:28there is also talk of artificial intelligence, which was one of the major topics discussed during the
00:06:32state visit of the Chinese President to the United States. The two countries have
00:06:35decided to set up a communication channel to deal
00:06:39with incidents involving AI. The race to
00:06:43market between the two countries raises fears that the technology will escape its creators. The Pope also
00:06:46spoke yesterday during his speech at the Élysée,
00:06:50but neither one nor the other envisages
00:06:52regulation.
00:06:55The floods in Bangkok are stabilized, but the capital is facing an
00:06:58unprecedented situation. A state of disaster has been declared.
00:07:02Torrential rains have fallen in the last 24 hours, the canals
00:07:05are overflowing, the east of the city is the most affected. The
00:07:09authorities are working to pump out the water. The last flood
00:07:12of this magnitude in 2011 caused the death of 500 people and damaged
00:07:16millions of
00:09:44And here you find Europe, Caroline de Camaré receives Aurore Laluc, French MEP,
00:09:48President of the Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs in the European
00:09:51Parliament.
00:09:55France 24 and RFI present.
00:10:11Hello everyone, thank you for joining us for "Here Europe" on Radio France
00:10:14Internationale and France 24 this week when Europeans
00:10:18were not very audible at the General Assembly
00:10:21this week when they were concerned about
00:10:25their economic weakness. We are pleased to welcome Aurore
00:10:29Laluc. Hello. Hello. You are a European Socialist MEP, French
00:10:33co-president of Place Publique as well. You have just
00:10:36published "Trump contre l'Europe" by
00:10:39Les Petits Matins and you are also President of the Committee on
00:10:43Economic and Monetary Affairs of the European Parliament. Present at the
00:10:46last Eurogroup meeting, Aurore Laluc, a weak
00:10:50growth of 1.1% for the 27 member countries of the European Union
00:10:53for
00:10:56by more than 14% over a year according to
00:11:00Eurostat. How do you describe the state of our European
00:11:04economy? It's very paradoxical because in reality,
00:11:07despite everything we've been through in recent years, that is, we are still
00:11:13Trump administration via trade policy,
00:11:19energy, the war, the hybrid war, in short, we are
00:11:23really an economy that is under pressure, whether from Russia, China
00:11:27or the United States, we are still resisting quite well when you
00:11:30think about it, we are still resisting quite well, we remain resilient. Nevertheless,
00:11:34we are entering very difficult times in
00:11:37terms of economic growth, economic activity, in terms of purchasing
00:11:41power above all, that's what really worries
00:11:46inflation, of this imported inflation over which we have very little
00:11:50control because it is linked to external events and it's not the first time this has happened to
00:11:53us. So that's what's difficult for us to
00:11:57manage today, and then the fact that eventually
00:12:01food inflation despite everything, we resist even if we are a zone that is not yet fully
00:12:04built, even if we don't have all the tools, etc. That's what allows
00:12:08us to hold on, but nevertheless we are under
00:12:11pressure and above all Europeans are under pressure and that's it, the
00:12:15economy is at the service of people and in fact that's where we need to act
00:12:20electrification, act on the issue of prices and above all invest, invest,
00:12:24invest. so as not to be dependent on other economies. So as every week I
00:12:29European news, this is Europe in brief from
00:12:33Agnes Le
00:12:33Cozec.
00:12:38An electric shock for Fredrik Schmerz, the German far-right
00:12:41wins new regional elections, while with less than
00:12:455% of the votes, the CDU, the Chancellor's
00:12:47party, is for the first time absent from a regional
00:12:50parliament.
00:12:56Lambourg, it's a disaster,
00:13:00another electoral defeat in Berlin, where the radical left of Die Linke came ahead of the outgoing conservative
00:13:05Europe, many national elections are expected within a year,
00:13:08with an announced breakthrough of the far right which puts the European
00:13:14of the United Nations General Assembly, American,
00:13:17Danish and Greenlandic leaders signed a security agreement. This
00:13:20signature should put an end to the crisis that poisoned relations
00:13:24between the United States and Europe after Donald Trump's
00:13:28threats of annexation of Greenland. The text confirms a
00:13:31strengthening of the American military presence on the island, it
00:13:35also prohibits any actor outside the European Union from
00:13:38exercising control in strategic sectors. Donald Trump announced that he could
00:13:41ban American diesel exports, a prospect that
00:13:45worries European countries with increasingly limited options. Slovak Prime
00:13:49Minister Robert Fico, pro-Kremlin, is calling for an extraordinary
00:13:52European Council on the fuel crisis.
00:13:56I say it clearly, I consider that
00:14:00the European Union is showing
00:14:03leaving member states to manage the oil
00:14:06crisis alone. The Slovak leader, who shows his
00:14:09closeness to Vladimir
00:14:13Putin, challenges the ban by Brussels on Russian gas imports scheduled for late
00:14:172027.
00:14:20In the face of soaring oil prices, the 27 have had very
00:14:24different policies. Some have resulted in a lower
00:14:27price than in France, around us,
00:14:30with remedies such as capping, taxation of energy
00:14:33superprofits, direct aid. What do you
00:14:37recommend, and do we need
00:14:40the same remedy for everyone? In fact, we are not exposed in the same
00:14:43way, and there is not the same state of public finances, that's also the
00:14:47reality in the different countries. What is needed is taxation on
00:14:50superprofits, and at the European level there is
00:14:53clearly a coalition of countries emerging,
00:14:56Spain, Italy,
00:14:59Germany, Austria, so governments of very different
00:15:03political colors, very different, are demanding taxation of superprofits. For now,
00:15:07France opposes it, yet this would be
00:15:12money to be able to provide targeted
00:15:16aid.
00:15:19Frankly, what other reason would there be in
00:15:22reality? There is no other reason. So, two things: either at some point Total
00:15:26Énergies, the prices they charge at the pump, they make
00:15:30sure everyone pays the same price throughout the territory, I don't
00:15:33think that's their strategy in reality. If they don't do that, then tax
00:15:37profits. That's enough, we can't put the French people and
00:15:41public finances at risk like that. You mentioned France with a
00:15:44very difficult budget to adopt, rising debt and
00:15:48the highest deficit in the eurozone at
00:15:525.4% of GDP. Did you
00:15:55sense the Eurogroup, since I said you were
00:15:59there, was very worried about the French situation? No, the
00:16:02finance ministers and European institutions
00:16:06are generally concerned about the global
00:16:10state of public finances, but also private
00:16:13debt, what is happening in the United States, the AI bubble, etc., and the fact that Americans
00:16:17no longer control their debt as before, and we are not immune to a financial
00:16:20accident, that's clear, but we don't know where it will come from and we are not immune and it's a
00:16:24probability, meaning it can happen as it may not happen, in short, it's a topic that deserves
00:16:28nuance, but in the political debate today, nuance is not the most
00:16:31common thing in reality, so there you have it, what is
00:16:34the state of the what is the global state now at the European
00:16:37level, what we are asking of
00:16:41France is a trajectory of
00:16:43reducing 100, 120 billion over 5 years, which means
00:16:47it doesn't need to make an effort of 54 billion, that doesn't exist, it won't
00:16:52around 18, 20 billion, and then when I look at the European
00:16:56level, I see that there is much less concern, meaning everyone says yes, France must make an effort,
00:17:00but no one thinks that France right now will enter a financial
00:17:03crisis, but there is also concern about...
00:17:07the discourse of the National Rally regarding Europe, which, if
00:17:11it comes to power, wants
00:17:14contribution to the European Union, while the current Prime Minister has also asked
00:17:18to deduct 800 million by taking them from the Google
00:17:22fine. This supports, before the 2027
00:17:25elections, the idea that France pays too much, and this is not the
00:17:28case already, because I'm sorry, but without the European
00:17:32Union, France is nothing, it is nothing from the point of view of
00:17:36exports, it is nothing either from the point of view of the
00:17:39sustainability of its debt, if I may say so, because today if French debt is
00:17:42sustainable, it is thanks to what also? It's because in fact we know that behind
00:17:46it there is the European Central Bank, there is the European Stability Mechanism, there is everything we have created that makes
00:17:50European debts still remain strong, and on the other hand,
00:17:54revanche
00:17:56what worries the financial markets very clearly is the
00:17:59prospect of 2027 and the presidential elections,
00:18:02and that's also why we have a risk premium at slightly
00:18:06higher rates, contrary to what we think, it's not the state of the debt,
00:18:09it's both political instability since the
00:18:12dissolution, very clearly, the fact of
00:18:16knowing or not if we will manage to pass the budget, and then
00:18:19the upcoming elections, it's really the political
00:18:22issue that worries financial markets almost
00:18:26more than the level of our debt. Let's talk about the future
00:18:29budget, but this time for the European Union for 2028,
00:18:322034, which is currently being fiercely
00:18:36negotiated. Germany, Denmark, Finland, the Netherlands,
00:18:39Austria are in the "frugals", what we call the frugals, those
00:18:42who demand that we be below 2000 billion
00:18:46euros over 7 years, proposed by the European Commission.
00:18:50Your European Parliament, Aurore Laluc, wants to maintain this amount. Who will
00:18:54win? If we don't have a budget that responds to European challenges, we
00:18:58will all lose, that's the reality. If there's no budget that allows
00:19:01us to advance on common defense, on digital independence,
00:19:05if there's a budget that doesn't allow us to be
00:19:08strong in AI, that doesn't allow us to advance in terms of ecological transition, in
00:19:12reindustrialization, we will all lose. That's what some
00:19:15countries should keep in mind. So there's the question of this
00:19:19budget, and on which you have it, the European Parliament is always
00:19:22more demanding than the member states, including
00:19:26Germany, which is now among the frugals, exactly. So we're going to
00:19:29try to push as much as possible, but besides that, in any
00:19:32case, we'll have to create new financial instruments. I know that the debate on
00:19:36debt annulment concerns France a lot, but in reality, at the European
00:19:39level, the debate we're having is on the issue of what we call safe assets. It's a bit
00:19:43technical, but it's about having common debt, so common interest
00:19:46rates. That's a debate we're having, by the way, a lot with
00:19:50Germany, which doesn't want to borrow in common.
00:19:53So precisely, Chancellor Scholz, very weakened
00:19:56after defeats in three
00:20:00regions, in the famous Länder, to the advantage
00:20:03of the far right in the east, old demons
00:20:09the far left in Berlin. What lesson do you draw from this? It's
00:20:13a situation that can also be found in France in reality, we also see that in
00:20:17France, the dominant
00:20:20party, or at least in the polls, is the National Rally, we see a rise
00:20:26everywhere in Europe,
00:20:30so there is an issue which is to remind people what the far
00:20:33right is, the far right is not a party like any other, that's what we need
00:20:37to remind people... and then to take care of Europeans, to
00:20:41take care of the French, I also believe that there are
00:20:45lessons we learned after the Second World War
00:20:48that have been forgotten, and that was to say that the
00:20:52best remedy for the rise of populism and
00:20:55nationalism is to ensure that there is no resentment, to ensure that there are no
00:20:58unacceptable inequalities. There is always an acceptable
00:21:02level of inequality, I don't care if there are billionaires as long as I live well
00:21:05and I think it's pretty much the same for everyone, so now we have
00:21:09arrived at things that are becoming unacceptable and that can
00:21:12create monsters. So let's talk
00:21:15about diversifying our
00:21:18sources of supply, about closer ties
00:21:20between the European Union and Canada with Mark
00:21:24Carney who was welcomed as a hero in your Strasbourg
00:21:28hemicycle, there are still 10 missing countries in the famous trade
00:21:31treaty that we signed with him, CETA, including
00:21:35France, should we do it? I am one of those who were
00:21:38opposed for health reasons, listening to a number
00:21:42of experts and NGOs, nevertheless I find that what was
00:21:45interesting with his visit to the European Parliament, because
00:21:48ultimately what Ursula von der Leyen was proposing was quite vague,
00:21:52meaning concretely we don't really know what it's about, what
00:21:56was
00:21:58important is that finally something positive was happening, these last
00:22:02few months, these last few years, we have
00:22:05been suffering, there has been bad news after bad
00:22:08news, we are going through difficult,
00:22:11tough times, and now finally something
00:22:14constructive is happening, we see that we are trying to
00:22:18create dialogue and create associations, we don't yet know
00:22:22what form it will take, with countries that
00:22:25resist and want to be constructive and who say to
00:22:29themselves, after all, well, the United States does what it wants, there you go, they wanted
00:22:32Trumpism, they have Trumpism, it's not because we are the neighbors of the United States that we belong
00:22:36to them, I find this phrase very strong by the way, and
00:22:39we decided to follow another path, yes, you
00:22:42spoke of trade agreements, we have 80 after Indonesia, India, Australia, the European
00:22:46Union is well on its way to concluding with the Philippines, uh...
00:22:50this diversification strategy because we also have trade tensions with China, we must
00:22:52not to forget another
00:22:56global actor, is it true that for you, she
00:23:00has an interest, should we regulate it or should we ban it? no, it can have an
00:23:04interest, but in the end, it's like everything in economics,
00:23:08the means are never the solution, so we can sign trade agreements,
00:23:11but they can't be just any agreements, they can't be just any
00:23:14one, they can't be with just any social and
00:23:17environmental standards, they can't be without a mirror clause and... we still need to be able to protect ourselves,
00:23:21so it's a strategic element, but it cannot be the
00:23:24strategy, the strategy that we should have in reality,
00:23:28is to no longer be in suicidal dependencies as in the field of
00:23:32oil for example and gas, we are rediscovering with each crisis that we
00:23:36don't have oil, well in reality, so we need to
00:23:40electrification in the field of payment systems, we also need to accelerate,
00:23:44but that's good, it's on the right track to be independent in the digital
00:23:47field, in fact it's more about... industrial
00:23:50policy and it's more about
00:23:54protecting our industry as much as possible, reproducing certain
00:23:57things in Europe, that will really protect us, you
00:24:01rightly mention China because we are always looking at the United States and
00:24:05Russia for obvious reasons, but China
00:24:08uh is very aggressive from a commercial point of view, we must protect our
00:24:12automotive sector for example and I am sorry about that, the issue of customs
00:24:15duties cannot be a taboo because we cannot let
00:24:19our industry. automotive, our batteries and
00:24:22so on, be destroyed
00:24:25by unfair competition while the European Union
00:24:29this week, it saved its sanctions against
00:24:32Moscow, by reluctantly joining despite criticism from Kiev,
00:24:36the demands of France and Luxembourg who obtained the removal of two
00:24:40Russian oligarchs from the blacklist, the favor shown to
00:24:44the Russian oligarch who was well connected in
00:24:47Azerbaijan, induced by a pardon granted to this
00:24:50French national imprisoned there, is
00:24:53Europe coherent and united on the Ukrainian issue
00:24:57and in its sanctions against Russia?
00:25:00No, it isn't. It isn't
00:25:04on this issue you mention, but for once, a life is
00:25:08at stake, but it isn't
00:25:10from many points of view, the gas issue remains a very
00:25:14thorny issue, there are many things on which
00:25:17it struggles to be coherent. and where
00:25:21national interests do not take precedence,
00:25:24I think that despite everything it holds up pretty well, but it needs to
00:25:28hold up very strongly because the times to come will be extremely tough
00:25:31and we know that Putin's strategy from the beginning has been to try to
00:25:34divide us, that's what he was surprised by, the fact
00:25:38that we remained united and that we responded,
00:25:41so in your book "Trump Against Europe", you say
00:25:45that we must be in a fighting position
00:25:48outside. is it true that Europe, for you, reacted
00:25:52well for example this week there
00:25:55assembly regarding a certain Donald
00:25:58Trump, I don't think so, I don't think that the European Union
00:26:02uh was up to the task on the issue of customs duties, I don't think it is up to the
00:26:06task on the International Criminal Court so far and I hope that its
00:26:09position will change, meaning that Trump is threatening the International Criminal Court
00:26:13uh and sanctioning judges
00:26:16and these judges so far are not protected by
00:26:20the European Commission which could do so, these judges are under American sanctions so they no longer
00:26:24have access to a large number of American websites, they
00:26:28no longer have access to payment cards and so on
00:26:31visa. They no longer have access to anything, that's it, the possibility of protecting
00:26:35them is to put in place what is called the blocking mechanism and the European Commission
00:26:39refuses to do so for now, so typically if you
00:26:43want to be respected, if you want, if you always appeal to international
00:26:46law, then you must protect the judges who apply it, and Donald Trump only
00:26:50understands one thing, I've been saying it from the beginning, it's the balance of power, we must maintain this
00:26:54balance of power, even if it's not in
00:26:57the DNA of European
00:27:01construction.
00:29:49We are somewhere in southern Israel just behind
00:29:53me.
00:30:13XIV to France, the Pope is multiplying meetings this morning,
00:30:16he exchanged with catechumens after visiting a center dedicated to the reception
00:30:20and integration of exiled people, he called for living together in
00:30:24dignity and peace, during
00:30:28this time the faithful are slowly
00:30:33Pope will celebrate an XXL mass starting at 3 PM, he
00:30:37will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we will find
00:30:40Florence Gaillard on site