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00:00:02to see on France
00:00:0324,
00:00:07it's noon in Paris, this is Paris Direct for you, we are together until 2 p.m. and we
00:00:11continue to follow this visit of Leo XIV in France, the Pope is multiplying the
00:00:15meetings this morning, he spoke with catechumens after having gone
00:00:18to a center reserved for the reception of
00:00:21us to the integration of exiled people, he called for living
00:00:23together in dignity and peace, meanwhile the faithful are beginning
00:00:27to flock to the Place de la Concorde and the chances. The Pope said
00:00:31he will celebrate an XXL mass starting at 3 p.m., he
00:00:34will descend the Champs-Élysées before that, we will find Anne Corpe and Marie
00:00:37Chester, both located at key points
00:00:41of this site.
00:00:43Zidedit Zida has reason to be satisfied with his first meeting as
00:00:47coach of the French team, a 1-0 victory against Turkey in
00:00:50the Nations League, but this victory was overshadowed by a knee injury to Killian
00:00:54Mbappé.
00:01:08and the Pope continues his speaking and reflection time with various civil and
00:01:12religious society actors, he went in the early morning to the Bakita house located in
00:01:16northern Paris where he exchanged with exiled people taken
00:01:19care of by the diocese in this reception place, this visit was
00:01:23meticulously planned but it allowed him to insist on the
00:01:26necessity of living together, I suggest you listen to Leo 14.
00:01:33mass later on Place de I address a special thank you to those who shared their
00:01:37testimony,
00:01:40the name of your support
00:01:43and social integration center which
00:01:47refers to Saint Bakita encourages
00:01:50us to recognize the fundamental role
00:01:55dignity, of respect for of women in building a civilization of love as
00:01:58an alternative to the culture that disaggregates
00:02:02communities and makes cities sick with
00:02:07mobile phones and especially mini phones the loneliness, another highlight at the Catholic Institute, he had
00:02:09meetings with catechumens, the Pope also went to
00:02:1410 days, that was the main the church of Saint-Joseph des Carmes, Place de la
00:02:17Concorde, access opened at 9 a.m. for a mass scheduled for 3 p.m., the
00:02:21national operation, so that's it, it's taking Pope will descend the Champs-Élysées at 2:15 p.m., the
00:02:24organizers expect a very large crowd, a large
00:02:27cross, you see it, 4 meters suspended above
00:02:31the hotel in this place where, it must be remembered all the same, Louis
00:02:35XVI and Marie Antoinette were guillotined, as well as a thousand people, it was called
00:02:38at the time the Place de la Révolution, in this period of
00:02:42revolution, today it will be a place of prayer, of
00:02:46communion, of fervor, we will talk about all of that with Anne Corpe and Marie Chester, we
00:02:50first find Marie in the crowd of the Champs-Élysées, Marie,
00:02:54listen to the reaction first of good morning, we are starting to feel the effects of the
00:02:56crowd, let's meditate this Saturday.
00:03:00Yes, indeed, we are 3 hours from the mass which
00:03:04will begin here at 3 p.m. So, I am about halfway between
00:03:08the Place de la Concorde and, you can see behind me, the Arc de Triomphe. That
00:03:12represents about 2 km of road that
00:03:14the Pope will travel later, and along
00:03:18this road, people started to gather very early
00:03:22this morning, but to get where I am, it was really a hassle,
00:03:25so to speak, because there were a number of barriers
00:03:29with
00:04:0025/2026 to receive communion at Sainte-Genevieve
00:04:04des Grandes Carrières in the 18th and so you are part of these new adults
00:04:08who discovered faith quite recently, that's right, I received faith late and I
00:04:12decided to have it certified, there you go, and now I'm going to have my
00:04:15confirmation on December 5th, there you go, I'm part of the
00:04:18Saint-Jean des Grandes Carrières parish in the 18th, and what does it represent for you
00:04:22to see the Pope today, why was it important to come today despite
00:04:26the crowds, despite the hassles sometimes in the metro, because
00:04:29that's it, faith and for me seeing him is like seeing
00:04:33Jesus or God, it's exactly the same, he's a very
00:04:36important person, very open, very close to the people and that really
00:04:40touches me, so you see a lot of faithful who
00:04:43have already gathered here at noon, we are
00:04:473 hours from the mass, we expect here on the Champs-Élysées up to 60,000
00:04:50people, thank you very much Marie, indeed the organizers
00:04:54called on the faithful to arrive and all, we could hear behind
00:04:58you the rosary being recited since, as you said, there are 3
00:05:02hours to wait, so we will have to make the
00:05:06faithful wait, uh and they will wait in prayer, we understood that, we are going to
00:05:09find at the top of the Champs-Élysées on the roof of Publicis, Anne,
00:05:13good morning, we are indeed preparing for a very large-scale
00:05:16event.
00:05:20Yes, 600,000 people are expected, to give you an idea, that's three
00:05:23times more than during the last papal mass organized in Paris,
00:05:27that was in 2008 by Benedict XVI,
00:05:31and the organizer, the coordinator
00:05:34of this stage spoke of a 3 km long cathedral
00:05:38since the initial device has been extended.
00:05:43from the Place de la Concorde to the Champs-Élysées to the Avenue de la Grande Armée which is located
00:05:47behind the Arc de Triomphe just
00:05:50behind me with an imposing security
00:05:54device, 15,000 members of the police forces have
00:05:56been deployed, snipers
00:05:59are on the rooftops including just above us on the
00:06:03Publicis terrace, so some
00:06:07voices have been raised against the organization
00:06:10of a religious event. in
00:06:12public space, they consider it an attack on
00:06:16secularism, on secularism, Pope Leo XIV answered
00:06:19them yesterday by explaining that secularism
00:06:23did not consist of banning religion from public space, that
00:06:27was interpreted by many as a thinly
00:06:31veiled criticism of the National Rally's program which
00:06:33plans to prohibit the wearing of the Islamic veil in
00:06:37public space. Marine Le Pen, the
00:06:40president of the National Rally.
00:06:43will attend the
00:06:46la Concorde, she is not the only presidential candidate who will be there since Édouard
00:06:49Philippe, Gabriel Attal,
00:06:53Bruno Rotallot, they will also be there to
00:06:57hear the Pope's homily, who will once
00:07:00again deliver his message of peace,
00:07:04of respect for human
00:07:07alterity and respect for the right to
00:07:10life. This enthusiasm does not necessarily reflect
00:07:13the practice of Catholicism in the country, we talk a lot about these
00:07:17new catechumens, but despite everything, it is true that we have a
00:07:21demonstration of faith that is not necessarily
00:07:23representative.
00:07:27Yes, well, in the early 1960s, 85% of French people declared
00:07:30themselves Catholic, today they are only 46%,
00:07:34but only 5% of French people go to
00:07:38mass every Sunday, we are also witnessing a
00:07:41collapse. of sacerdotal
00:07:44recruitment, there were only 84
00:07:47priests ordained this year, there are
00:07:51only 11,000 priests in France, 30%
00:07:54of whom come from abroad, a majority from
00:07:58Africa, there is only one baby in 10 who is baptized
00:08:01today, compared to 1 in 2
00:08:05in the early 2000s, but this is indeed the
00:08:09phenomenon that interests the Pope and the Vatican. There is a
00:08:13strong resurgence of adult
00:08:16baptisms, this was the case of this Catholic,
00:08:20interviewed a moment ago by
00:08:22Marie on the Champs-Élysées, we have gone
00:08:26from a Catholicism of transmission to a Catholicism
00:08:30of adhesion and this is what the
00:08:33Pope came to observe in Paris and
00:08:37elsewhere in France since he will also go to Lourdes and
00:08:40to Metz, Leo the... Pope Leo XIV who will
00:08:44descend the Champs-Élysées in a moment and whom we will
00:08:47see in his Popemobile pass
00:08:50under this Publicis terrace in a little
00:08:54over 2 hours now, thank you very
00:08:57much, it will indeed be a special edition to follow on our
00:09:01channels from 2 p.m. In
00:09:04international news, we continue to follow the developments in the Middle East, the Houthis have targeted
00:09:08the Saudi capital as well as a large city in the southwest, these attacks have continued
00:09:12for 10 days and have consequences on the export, as you know, of
00:09:16Saudi oil, Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman has
00:09:19requested the intervention of Donald Trump but without success for now, the
00:09:23kingdom is also awaiting potential military support
00:09:26from its Pakistani and Turkish
00:09:29partners. Donald Trump has rejected the Iranian proposal to
00:09:33reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the president preferred to publish on his
00:09:36social network a map representing the Strait with the mention Trump Strait
00:09:40and yes, the mid-term elections in 5 weeks seem to influence the
00:09:44strategy adopted by Donald Trump, Axel
00:09:47Simon. Did you talk about the war with Iran?
00:09:50Yes, will there be progress regarding the Strait of Hormuz? I think we will make
00:09:54excellent progress. Progress
00:09:57announced but which will still be awaited. According to the Wall Street
00:10:01Journal, Donald Trump refused on Friday an Iranian proposal
00:10:04aimed at reopening the Strait of Hormuz, currently
00:10:08locked, within 7 days. The proposal formulated by Tehran through
00:10:11Qatari media provided for the reopening of this strategic
00:10:15maritime route and the suspension of fighting in the region, including in
00:10:19Lebanon. In return, broader negotiations would have been
00:10:22engaged, the United States would have lifted. the blockade of Iranian
00:10:25ports, unblocked frozen funds and renounced oil
00:10:29sanctions targeting Iran. Unacceptable for Donald Trump,
00:10:33the American president estimates, according to the Wall Street Journal, that the Islamic
00:10:37Republic will not keep its commitments. The American
00:10:40president who would not rule out a resumption of strikes in Iran after the
00:10:43legislative mid-term elections on November 3rd. Unacceptable
00:10:47threats according to the head of Iranian diplomacy. Iran
00:10:50accepts neither coercion, nor
00:10:54threats, intimidation and will not renounce its sovereign rights under
00:10:58pressure. Sovereignty is not
00:11:00conditional.
00:11:02Diplomacy does not mean capitulation, and peace cannot
00:11:06be built on threats
00:11:07of annihilation.
00:11:11The blockade therefore continues on both sides and Donald Trump even
00:11:15added fuel to the fire with this map published on his social
00:11:18network which proposes to rename the Strait of Hormuz
00:11:21Trump Strait. The memorandum of understanding signed in June between
00:11:25Tehran and Washington provided however to end the war,
00:11:29reopen this strategic maritime passage and conduct
00:11:32talks on the ultra-sensitive aspect of the Iranian nuclear
00:11:35program, but no notable progress has been made
00:11:39since its signing.
00:11:42The floods in Bangkok are stabilized, but the capital is facing an unprecedented situation,
00:11:46a state of disaster has been declared, torrential rains have
00:11:49fallen in the last 24 hours, canals are overflowing, the east of the city is the most
00:11:53affected, the authorities are at work to pump out the water,
00:11:56the last flood of this magnitude in 2011 caused the death of 500
00:12:00people and damaged millions of homes,
00:12:03Myanmar is also
00:12:06bearing the consequences of these
00:12:09torrential rains since Thursday,
00:12:13it's a success for Zinedine Zidane, the new coach of the French
00:12:17team was highly anticipated for this first match and Les Bleus won
00:12:201-0 against the Turks in this Nations
00:12:24League match. thanks to a goal from Killian Mbappé, but the
00:12:27captain was injured in the knee, so he will have to
00:12:31return to Madrid to recover, there are still
00:12:34three matches to play for Les Bleus in the next
00:12:39news, you will find it right after in "Aux avant-postes".
00:12:56Hello and welcome to Aux avant-postes, the show that
00:13:00seeks meaning in the chaos of the world, without taking
00:13:03from the powerful to dry up the terror of
00:13:06cybercrime, our guest is not afraid,
00:13:10she is the one who arrested Pavel Durov,
00:13:13founder of the Telegram messaging network, it was
00:13:16she again who summoned Elon Musk for
00:13:20the excesses of his social network XX
00:13:23Twitter. Joanna Bruce is the deputy prosecutor of the Paris
00:13:26public prosecutor's office in charge of fighting
00:13:29cybercrime, she publishes with Jean-Claude
00:13:32Lates a book soberly titled "Cyber combattante",
00:13:36a work co-written with the journalist
00:13:39Clémence de Blazie. Hello Johanna
00:13:42Brous, hello, so it's a book that is both a personal
00:13:46narrative and a professional narrative. Why did
00:13:49you want to write, and it's rare, while you are
00:13:53still in office? So. You have to know that today's cyber threat
00:13:57is protean and above all very intense, and this book
00:14:00is about taking the reader on a journey through the investigations
00:14:04we've carried out and showing them the state of the
00:14:07threat, because it's getting stronger and stronger, as you say, and
00:14:11we really feel when reading your book that it concerns absolutely
00:14:15everything, child pornography, data theft, one wonders
00:14:18what escapes cybercriminals well, but that's a bit the
00:14:22observation we make in justice today, we talk about the cyberization of
00:14:25crime, yes, absolutely, so what does that mean? It means that
00:14:29even traditional crime
00:14:32today, well, will use a cyber vector
00:14:36to commit offenses, so it will be, for example, car theft with
00:14:39the hacking of connected speakers, it will be
00:14:43the hacking of bank ATMs to empty them and retrieve the
00:14:47content, what we call cyber-robbery, so
00:14:50today all forms of delinquency have this digital
00:14:54component. and we must respond to it, so there is this
00:14:57aspect where all crimes and offenses can also go
00:15:01digital, and the other aspect which is also very important in
00:15:05your book, is that it is cross-border and
00:15:08it seems that this makes your task even more difficult, we effectively
00:15:11do nothing without international cooperation, you have to
00:15:15imagine that the evidence is scattered all over the world, whether it's
00:15:19digital evidence, for example, IP addresses that need to be
00:15:22found, whether it's cryptocurrencies, so. we need this
00:15:25international cooperation and our foreign police and
00:15:29judicial partners to conduct the investigations, each has a part
00:15:33of the puzzle and by assembling them we succeed in identifying and apprehending
00:15:37cyber criminals. So what we discover in your book, and it's very honest of you,
00:15:40you say you're not a geek, you arrive in 2017, if my
00:15:44memory serves, in this J3 service of
00:15:48cybercrime, you're two or three and today you're
00:15:5212, 13, is that about right? How do you
00:15:55do it not being a digital
00:15:58specialist to adapt, you had to learn everything? So that's what I explain
00:16:01in the book, the beginnings are a bit complicated because your first day, well I came from criminal
00:16:05permanence so I dealt with rapes, murders, drug
00:16:09trafficking and on my first day at J3, I was told, Johanna, it would be good
00:16:13to monitor a bot net, with the
00:16:16words, I had to take a little time to adapt and then a botnet,
00:16:20what is it, that's it, it's basically computers that are used to
00:16:24attack, exactly, so you adapted, we
00:16:27adapted, we trained and we gradually built up our strength,
00:16:30yeah, there's a lesson you didn't learn
00:16:33that you were given at the beginning of your career,
00:16:37you were told if you want to make a career
00:16:40in your in justice,
00:16:43you were advised to remain silent and you did the complete
00:16:47opposite, well, that's one of the first pieces of advice I was given and I told
00:16:51myself, but justice, we are there precisely to speak out for the
00:16:54victims and protect society, so no,
00:16:57indeed, I have always fought but it's not just me, it's all my
00:17:01colleagues, when you see the work of the prosecutors, the investigating
00:17:04judges, the children's judges, well, I think they know
00:17:07how to speak out to convey my feeling all the same when reading you that you have
00:17:11pushed habits very clearly and
00:17:15each time you were told no, it's not possible, she's dreaming, you
00:17:18describe very well in this book how you tried
00:17:22to set up operations differently, that is to say, if you wait for the victim's complaint
00:17:26to go after the criminals and cybercriminals, you will be too late,
00:17:29so we thought about how to attack the cyber
00:17:33vector to go after the criminals, concretely what is that?
00:17:37It will be the Prison Break operation where we realized that in French prisons,
00:17:40there were indeed a lot of
00:17:44size of a forbidden lighter, obviously forbidden and we said,
00:17:48well, what we need is to dismantle the clandestine
00:17:51fleet of miniature phones in France and
00:17:55we set up a
00:17:58the problem in reverse and cutting off the
00:18:01tap to avoid having to
00:18:03pick up the files with a shovel, a lot of imagination therefore.
00:18:08A lot of imagination, you have to be one step ahead of the criminals, that's
00:18:11essential, yeah, so I said at the beginning,
00:18:15you positioned yourself quite strongly on Pavel
00:18:18Durov, the creator of the Telegram network, the Telegram
00:18:21messaging service, also on Elon Musk, Pavel Durov, you
00:18:25arrested him, Elon Musk, you summoned him, he didn't
00:18:28come, so I'd like us to
00:18:31the spokesperson of the European Commission who is called
00:18:34Thomas Reigner who speaks on January 5, 2026
00:18:38and then you will see, we will have a French deputy Ric Botorel who
00:18:41speaks in April 2026, one
00:18:45promises the first that Europe will
00:18:48react and the other is satisfied with the fact that you reacted,
00:18:52let's listen to them.
00:18:55We are perfectly aware of the fact that x or grok or
00:18:59x for grok now offers a so-called "daring" mode presenting
00:19:03explicit sexual content, some of which are AI-generated images of
00:19:06children. That's not daring, it's illegal, it's
00:19:09revolting, it's disgusting, that's how we see things, and that
00:19:13has no place in Europe,
00:19:17and I am delighted to be in a country that decides,
00:19:20through its national law, to use its national law to assert
00:19:24that platforms are welcome here, but on condition that they operate under the conditions that we
00:19:28ourselves have set. So Johanna Brous,
00:19:32deputy prosecutor of the Republic,
00:19:35you dared
00:19:37to arrest Pavel Durov twice and then summoned Elon Musk,
00:19:41why did you dare? In fact, in
00:19:44French law, there is a crime called the crime of administering an
00:19:48illicit platform, which allows us to ask
00:19:51the leaders of large platforms to account when these
00:19:54platforms do not respect the law. So we
00:19:58indeed opened an investigation against the
00:20:00Telegram network. Pavel Durov was arrested and charged by the investigating
00:20:04judges because he refused to cooperate.
00:20:08This is one of the problems, he has other
00:20:10offenses on his platform, what he is also
00:20:14accused of is not having done enough moderation, and yes, the cleanup,
00:20:18that's it, and we could see child pornography images, so all that aspect, and then
00:20:21the X case for which we were indeed contacted by a
00:20:25deputy and we summoned Elon
00:20:29Musk and Linda Yacarino who ran
00:20:32X in France to hear them on the facts we
00:20:35accused them of, they did not come.
00:20:37We opened a judicial investigation against them and we requested
00:20:41their indictment. For Pavel Durov, you
00:20:44were lucky, he came to France, he
00:20:47indeed came...
00:20:54when you take this initiative it's you
00:20:57individually who takes it, you don't ask
00:21:01for authorization from the executive power, let alone from the
00:21:04President of the Republic, so justice is completely independent, it doesn't report
00:21:08to the executive power, however the public prosecutor's office, and that's its
00:21:10strength, we are a collective, so that means that
00:21:14when I make this decision, obviously I discuss it with the public prosecutor of Paris, Laure Beccuau, I discuss
00:21:18it with colleagues and it's this collective that allows us
00:21:22to stand firm because in these cases there are very strong
00:21:25political and diplomatic stakes and the pressure can sometimes be quite
00:21:28heavy, so concerning the Veldov case, there were immediate
00:21:32results, you write in the book that barely 2 days
00:21:35after his arrest, suddenly the
00:21:39platform started to collaborate very quickly we
00:21:43received answers to our requisitions which then allowed the cases to progress because
00:21:46when you know that there is
00:21:50such and such child pornography image on the platform, well, you can go and
00:21:53arrest him, that's it, so we need this information, yeah, and so you
00:21:57got it more easily and we can say that the collaboration is
00:22:01easier now and so it's going well, the collaboration is
00:22:04good, so it was necessary to take action, in any case we
00:22:08had the legal framework that allowed us
00:22:11to, and today the investigation continues, we'll see at the end if there are
00:22:15sufficient elements or not to send him
00:22:18to court, that's it, the investigation will continue calmly and everything will be
00:22:22carefully studied, and so you go after Elon Musk, after we
00:22:26seized, what did you tell yourself
00:22:28regarding this
00:22:31multinational? Well, it's an important
00:22:34case that we handled with seriousness, now it's no longer
00:22:38my responsibility, the investigating judges will continue
00:22:41the investigation and they will see if there is reason to go
00:22:45further, it was important to set an example,
00:22:47setting an example is important for everyone, that's right, and what's also important to remember is
00:22:51that justice is the same for everyone, I think
00:22:55that's a message we need to convey and
00:22:59to which we must be attached. So what pleasantly surprised me when reading
00:23:02your work is the aspect of international cooperation, you
00:23:06don't seem to complain about it, quite
00:23:10the opposite, you find that it works rather well, which is quite
00:23:13astonishing on this aspect, so I suggest
00:23:17you listen to the Vietnamese president, Luong.
00:23:20He spoke on October 25th 2026,
00:23:2425, and it was on the occasion of a sub-legal
00:23:27UN meeting for a signature by about
00:23:30sixty countries of a convention to further
00:23:34improve cooperation in the fight against
00:23:37cybercrime, let's
00:23:39listen.
00:23:43For the convention to be truly implemented in practice, it requires not only
00:23:46political will, but also international cooperation in terms of
00:23:50resources, training, technical assistance, and technology
00:23:54transfer. These efforts will help strengthen the capacities of
00:23:57nations and build a secure and stable
00:23:59cyberspace.
00:24:02There are two aspects: political will, you feel
00:24:05it in the cooperation, well,
00:24:08uh not really because we are really
00:24:11operational, meaning that the existing texts and conventions
00:24:14are applied to be able to ask different countries for help, thanks
00:24:18to that I was able to do uh searches all
00:24:22over the world, for example, in Canada, I arrested a hacker who
00:24:25had committed ransomware attacks, we also see you in Morocco,
00:24:28I was in Morocco, I even was in another time in Russia,
00:24:32uh, I was, well, I regularly go to
00:24:35Senegal too, so that's more uh for training projects
00:24:39but because we need to initiate these trainings and
00:24:42dialogue with our partners to be able to be collectively effective, can we
00:24:46push this cooperation further? Yes,
00:24:49I think we can... it's because sometimes the processing times are a bit
00:24:52long, that's what I also talk about in the book, it took us almost 2 years to recover
00:24:56a mobile phone in Brazil, so we recovered it, but it's 2 years
00:25:00of investigation and perseverance, voilà, and
00:25:03we also feel that there are several countries that want to recover either
00:25:07elements of tools or people, so there too we have
00:25:10to agree on who will prosecute
00:25:14and so on, and on that does it improve or
00:25:17not? Yes, overall, I think today... everyone manages
00:25:20to find their place and then, in any case, in Europe, an extraordinary
00:25:24cooperation tool called Eurojust, Eurojust is
00:25:27located in the Netherlands and it allows, well, when you have
00:25:30difficulties with a case, whether the evidence is scattered around the world or the
00:25:34perpetrators are a bit everywhere on the planet, well, to
00:25:37meet up, exchange, and see who will give what for which investigation and who will
00:25:41arrest this or that person, so that's extraordinary, so it works with many
00:25:44countries, it works less, as you said, with Russia, how does it work with
00:25:48Beijing and with Washington?
00:25:50So with Russia, there is no cooperation at all, it was
00:25:53suspended, with China there are requests
00:25:56for mutual legal assistance and letters rogatory and with the
00:26:00United States we manage to have very good operational
00:26:02cooperation, we regularly build cases
00:26:06together, recently, I think it was in
00:26:08July, we dismantled a platform that
00:26:12allowed for sexually explicit deepfakes, concretely what is it,
00:26:15it's women who were put on this platform and undressed in extremely
00:26:19suggestive positions, it was the United States that alerted
00:26:24the existence of this platform, who gave us the elements to identify and
00:26:28arrest the perpetrator in France and he was judged and condemned in
00:26:31Paris, you see. very concrete implications, so
00:26:34there are platforms where it doesn't go so well
00:26:38the platform located in Australia well I don't remember if it's Kick, no, yes
00:26:41there's a case, things are not great on this platform, the
00:26:44leaders didn't want to come meet you, simply, so
00:26:48sometimes indeed when we summon people we want
00:26:51to hear, they don't come, in this case, we also opened a
00:26:55judicial investigation
00:26:57and the prosecutor of Paris Lord Becquiao
00:27:01indicated that we had requested arrest warrants, it's
00:27:05not because you don't come that justice won't continue its work
00:27:08or there's another aspect that is also dear
00:27:12to your heart, it's prevention, how to
00:27:15prevent or train internet users so that they are
00:27:18not the victims of cybercriminals, I suggest
00:27:21listening to Scott Bessen who is the American Minister of Finance, he
00:27:24spoke on September 1, 2026, during a
00:27:28G20 Finance meeting and he also
00:27:32insists on the need to train internet users, let's
00:27:35listen:
00:27:38financial education is not just a program for
00:27:41young people, we find that many of our seniors are being targeted
00:27:45by fraudsters at a time when cybercrime is on the
00:27:48rise, by working together, we can foster a
00:27:51growing economy, empower everyone with the knowledge to
00:27:55benefit from it and protect their
00:27:57savings,
00:27:59you are also quite committed to... why
00:28:03if we want to be effective
00:28:06we must, well when I say effective, it means being a cyber-resilient nation, we
00:28:10must train young people as early as possible
00:28:13in the uses of the internet,
00:28:17we set up with the Ministry of National Education, the gendarmerie, cyber
00:28:21malicious acts, the CNIL an operation called
00:28:24Cactus which aims to raise awareness among all middle and high school students in France, high school students in
00:28:28France about cyber risks, so it's an operation that is reproduced year after year.
00:28:32So we are truly trying to have a very strong commitment, especially since
00:28:36you will have noticed that we had a wave of data leaks in
00:28:39France mainly by either
00:28:43minors or young adults, ah yes, and that's
00:28:46what we also see in your book, the hackers you
00:28:50arrest are very young, yeah, and so
00:28:53young people are both obviously among the first
00:28:56victims with the elderly, but also they are among the
00:29:00hackers who succeed in operations.
00:29:02Exactly what, because we notice that we have
00:29:06a lot of young people who are very good at cyber but who will cut themselves off
00:29:10from the world, isolate themselves, sometimes no longer leave their rooms, uh and they
00:29:14will, well, live, build a certain notoriety through this
00:29:17myth of the hero hacker and what we are trying to deconstruct regularly,
00:29:21when I have young people in police custody, sometimes minors, we can't
00:29:25do the whole operation at once because we have to analyze the computer
00:29:29equipment, so they will have to come back and I tell them well you will have to come back but in the meantime I
00:29:33want you to be registered, well I don't know, in sports, that you have gone back to school and you
00:29:36will come back with the supporting documents and we will take that into account and so
00:29:40there a few days ago there was a young man who
00:29:44came back with all his supporting documents for gym membership and so that's
00:29:47the first step towards reintegration, it's, it's, it's basic,
00:29:51getting them out of their rooms and showing them that there's another world
00:29:55possible, victims of a lot of naivety.
00:29:58Yes, and naivety, and then I think that
00:30:02sometimes these are young people who are in social difficulty, they don't necessarily have many friends
00:30:06and and through these hacking acts they feel external, they find
00:30:10an existence, an existence uh well, so
00:30:13that's exactly what we need to deconstruct, so you also say
00:30:16in the book that your operations have allowed you to
00:30:19recover a lot of money, especially in bitcoin
00:30:23and so on, but we see that your means are not
00:30:26extraordinary, but then comes the AI
00:30:30wave and behind it the quantum wave which
00:30:33will give criminals, cybercriminals, more and
00:30:36more means, we already see it,
00:30:40ah you already see it, we already see it through the hacking acts
00:30:44that are committed thanks to AI and we are starting to sound the alarm
00:30:48by saying that we will also have to think
00:30:51about this question, whether an
00:30:54AI provider that does not sufficiently curb its AI which allows the realization of
00:30:58cyber attacks and...